Re: [libreoffice-l10n] 4.2 update in Pootle
Hi *, On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Valter Mura valterm...@libreoffice.org wrote: In data sabato 23 novembre 2013 17:38:40, Christian Lohmaier ha scritto: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Valter Mura valterm...@libreoffice.org wrote: Migration copied libo_help/ui to libo41_help/ui - and 4.2 took the libo_help/ui ones as well, but did update it against the templates that were updated for 4.2 So, as far as I understand, the strings in 4.2 are from 4.0 (let's say) and not from 4.1. Am I correct? No - I took the files that were in the libo_ui and libo_help projects (in other words those that were used to translate for libreoffice 4.1) and just updated them against the new templates for 4.2 The source strings come from english 4.2 codeline. Concerning the Target part (I mean the translated strings), where do they come from? The target strings come from the old 4.1 translations, where the update could match the strings against existing ones. Andras already mentioned that one could manually help the process to have more matches (i.e. less stings to translate) by copying over changes in parts that are not meant to be tranlsated (identifiers in the xml tags for example) I hope from the 4.1 project, which is, at least for Italian side, the one in which we are working on revision. Yes, it is based on 4.1 project. ciao Christian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] 4.2 update in Pootle
In data lunedì 25 novembre 2013 13:13:11, Christian Lohmaier ha scritto: Hi *, On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Valter Mura valterm...@libreoffice.org wrote: In data sabato 23 novembre 2013 17:38:40, Christian Lohmaier ha scritto: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Valter Mura valterm...@libreoffice.org wrote: Migration copied libo_help/ui to libo41_help/ui - and 4.2 took the libo_help/ui ones as well, but did update it against the templates that were updated for 4.2 So, as far as I understand, the strings in 4.2 are from 4.0 (let's say) and not from 4.1. Am I correct? No - I took the files that were in the libo_ui and libo_help projects (in other words those that were used to translate for libreoffice 4.1) and just updated them against the new templates for 4.2 The source strings come from english 4.2 codeline. Concerning the Target part (I mean the translated strings), where do they come from? The target strings come from the old 4.1 translations, where the update could match the strings against existing ones. Andras already mentioned that one could manually help the process to have more matches (i.e. less stings to translate) by copying over changes in parts that are not meant to be tranlsated (identifiers in the xml tags for example) I hope from the 4.1 project, which is, at least for Italian side, the one in which we are working on revision. Yes, it is based on 4.1 project. Thank you very much Christian, for the explanation. Ciao -- Valter Open Source is better! LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] 4.2 update in Pootle
Le 25/11/2013 19:18, Valter Mura a écrit : In data lunedì 25 novembre 2013 13:13:11, Christian Lohmaier ha scritto: Hi *, On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Valter Mura valterm...@libreoffice.org wrote: In data sabato 23 novembre 2013 17:38:40, Christian Lohmaier ha scritto: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Valter Mura valterm...@libreoffice.org wrote: Migration copied libo_help/ui to libo41_help/ui - and 4.2 took the libo_help/ui ones as well, but did update it against the templates that were updated for 4.2 So, as far as I understand, the strings in 4.2 are from 4.0 (let's say) and not from 4.1. Am I correct? No - I took the files that were in the libo_ui and libo_help projects (in other words those that were used to translate for libreoffice 4.1) and just updated them against the new templates for 4.2 The source strings come from english 4.2 codeline. Concerning the Target part (I mean the translated strings), where do they come from? The target strings come from the old 4.1 translations, where the update could match the strings against existing ones. Andras already mentioned that one could manually help the process to have more matches (i.e. less stings to translate) by copying over changes in parts that are not meant to be tranlsated (identifiers in the xml tags for example) I hope from the 4.1 project, which is, at least for Italian side, the one in which we are working on revision. Yes, it is based on 4.1 project. Thank you very much Christian, for the explanation. +1 and for your work too :) Cheers Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] 4.2 update in Pootle
In data sabato 23 novembre 2013 17:38:40, Christian Lohmaier ha scritto: Hi Christian, *, Hi Valter, *, On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Valter Mura valterm...@libreoffice.org wrote: In data giovedì 21 novembre 2013 21:49:57, Andras Timar ha scritto: could you confirm me the package migration is from 4.1 to 4.2 ? If the announce didn't make it through, then let me know - as gmail user I don't notice when mails don't make it to the list.. Migration copied libo_help/ui to libo41_help/ui - and 4.2 took the libo_help/ui ones as well, but did update it against the templates that were updated for 4.2 So, as far as I understand, the strings in 4.2 are from 4.0 (let's say) and not from 4.1. Am I correct? This is on the Source part. Concerning the Target part (I mean the translated strings), where do they come from? I hope from the 4.1 project, which is, at least for Italian side, the one in which we are working on revision. Please, let me know, thank you. I'm currently working on an important revision of the help, indipendent from the translation, and I need to know if I can safely continue this revision in 4.2, leaving 4.1 in its present state. 4.2 can be used, however for 4.1 I did run it against the updates that occured during break of string freeze on 4-1 branch not long ago. If you did trigger the manual update and fixed the strings (mostly changes to the xml-attributes, but also new documentation for date/time related functions in base. Ciao -- Valter Open Source is better! LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] 4.2 update in Pootle
In data giovedì 21 novembre 2013 21:49:57, Andras Timar ha scritto: Hi, I did not see it announced here, so probably work is on progress. But I saw a lot of people started translation. Hi Andras, could you confirm me the package migration is from 4.1 to 4.2 ? I'm currently working on an important revision of the help, indipendent from the translation, and I need to know if I can safely continue this revision in 4.2, leaving 4.1 in its present state. For help, the 2 new words look very bad. When I updated filed from 4.0 to 4.1, I used a script that replaced ahelp hid parameters in translations, most of the this untranslatable change is the only change. I saved the commands, probably they are still useful: git diff 14779b36c86679f..6ff9e113ec34775 | grep ahelp hid | grep -v ^ | sed -e s/^.*ahelp hid=\// | sed -e s/\.*$// replace.txt I don't remember what the commit range was. Probably from 4.0 branch point to 4.1 branch point. Then I manually edited replaced txt, there were some wrong lines in it. I kept only the real pairs of changes. Then I replaced strings in existing translations: for i in `ls -1 translations/libo_help/ | grep -v templates`;do python src/pootle/manage.py sync_stores --project=libo_help --language=$i;cd translations/libo_help/$i;for j in `find . -name \*.po`;do sed -f /home/timar/replace.txt $j $j.new;mv $j.new $j;done;cd ../../..;python src/pootle/manage.py update_stores --project=libo_help --language=$i;done Then I updated translations against the latest templates. My second remarks is about UI. I find the new word count too low. I can't believe that there is nothing new in sw, sd, sc etc. I did not check, though. I'm sorry, if these issues have been already known, and are being addressed. Cheers, Andras -- Valter Open Source is better! LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org KDE: www.kde.org Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] 4.2 update in Pootle
Hi Valter, On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Valter Mura valterm...@libreoffice.org wrote: could you confirm me the package migration is from 4.1 to 4.2 ? I'm currently working on an important revision of the help, indipendent from the translation, and I need to know if I can safely continue this revision in 4.2, leaving 4.1 in its present state. I cannot confirm, Christian Lohmaier is in charge, not me. Best regards, Andras -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] 4.2 update in Pootle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Em 21-11-2013 18:49, Andras Timar escreveu: My second remarks is about UI. I find the new word count too low. I can't believe that there is nothing new in sw, sd, sc etc. I did not check, though. I'm sorry, if these issues have been already known, and are being addressed. Cheers, Andras Many strings I browsed in chart module were already translated in the past. I know chart underwent changes to the new UI technique (I did part of it), but all the functionality and dialogs are the same as in 4.1.. Ireally don't like to redo a translation as it introduces errors very easily. - -- Olivier Hallot Founder, Board of Directors Member - The Document Foundation The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 - Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese +55-21-8822-8812 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSkUF1AAoJEJp3R7nH3vLxGGoIAI0tybP9BOHNNgl6EVmOEF2s xEea2bEjuPmnzUNPSSRpptSahwdAFXMEjbY91UcSHgzFDgQzOF1T8xmFNspWl4PA OkxZjOxLJIIP6Er9Tn0UYdeijuxgNCub9Gir6cztCJCn1Lkyz7sqxuO520qu5ok9 0G1VFf7GZ/WGpZkkQkGPYPXGKSe8QK50cSVOMr9x7k69w1F2GFrD/Lbp6BfxGxgD k+d2dHAk23DcAUel2sn2Sbwvf7HXGiDm8pdPg1lwoXaGMxpUs1F6SiHryBQuD3Qx prACH73RMx0pZTnTrYJdh9cKOc8F4vquL/UftdhBsEtvdnYmvbuy5Dc2yjNTDdI= =ohNe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
