RE: [lace] Lace ID (Susan H's question)

[Lorelei Halley]

I think Sally is right -- the designer/creator used whatever techniques
pleased her, and it doesn't fit into a particular niche. Also I do now see
the needle lace filling stitches inside the loops made by the narrow braid.
Lorelei

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Sally Jenkins
Subject: [lace] Lace ID (Susan H's question)
Perhaps the designer/creator used various techniques, and the entire piece
does not fit any one designation
Sally in western Oregon, looking at blue skies today

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Re: [lace] lace ID?

[Eve Hoffenkamp]

It looks to me like someone combined techniques.  There are a few filling
stitches and the picot bars for connecting. But it is primarily Irish Crochet
motifs.

On Thursday, July 13, 2017 5:43 PM, "hottl...@neo.rr.com"
 wrote:


 Hello All!  I just posted a scan of a lace mat that belongs to a friend in
Ohio.  If anyone has an opinion as to its origin, I would love to know.  The
undulating cord, picot bars & Irish crochet motifs are quite robust.  The
entire mat is approxiimately 12"x12".  Many thanks.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle
USA

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Re: [lace] lace ID?

[Amanda Babcock Furrow]

I agree that this does not look like Romanian Point.  However, to my 
surprise there are indeed needle lace stitches, filling in the loops
where the cord or thinner tape loops around itself just inside the 
corrugated, thicker crochet tape around the edge.

Amanda in Philly, Pennsylvania, US

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 08:01:58PM -0500, Lorelei Halley wrote:
> Bev
> 
> As I understand it, Romanian point lace has a tape made by crochet. But the
> empty spaces between the tapes are filled with needle lace stitches. This
> piece has no needle lace stitches.
> 
> Lorelei
> 
> 
> 
> From: Bev Walker [mailto:walker.b...@gmail.com]
> 
> Susan and Lorelei, Bunches of grapes with the vine around the outside I've
> decided!
> 
> Only a semi-confident guess it is RPL. It has that chunky, solid, unctuous
> appearance. Hopefully someone will confirm/deny.
> 
> Bev
> 
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RE: [lace] lace ID?

[Lorelei Halley]

Bev

As I understand it, Romanian point lace has a tape made by crochet. But the
empty spaces between the tapes are filled with needle lace stitches. This
piece has no needle lace stitches.

Lorelei



From: Bev Walker [mailto:walker.b...@gmail.com]

Susan and Lorelei, Bunches of grapes with the vine around the outside I've
decided!

Only a semi-confident guess it is RPL. It has that chunky, solid, unctuous
appearance. Hopefully someone will confirm/deny.

Bev

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Re: [lace] lace ID?

[Adele Shaak]

I think it looks like Romanian Point, too. I compared it with the examples in 
my book (“Romanian Point Lace” by Angela Thomson and Kathleen Waller) and while 
there isn’t anything that’s *exactly* the same, the style of the design, the 
undulating cord, the bunches of grapes and the grape leaf pattern, the 
corrugated-looking edging; all these things appear in Romanian Point. I have a 
piece of this lace, and it is very robust, as you say, and it is also the same 
colour as this.

Adele


> On Jul 13, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Bev Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hello Susan and everyone
> 
> I found it finally, looked all through your album at Flickr but it is at
> the beginning!
> Just a guess, it looks like Romanian Point Lace. The grape motif suggests
> to me Eastern European origin. I could be way off! but I don't see it as
> Irish crochet.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:37 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> Hello All!  I just posted a scan of a lace mat that belongs to a friend in
>> Ohio.  If anyone has an opinion as to its origin, I would love to know.
>> The undulating cord, picot bars & Irish crochet motifs are quite robust.
>> The entire mat is approxiimately 12"x12".

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Re: [lace] lace ID?

[Bev Walker]

Hello Susan and everyone

I found it finally, looked all through your album at Flickr but it is at
the beginning!
Just a guess, it looks like Romanian Point Lace. The grape motif suggests
to me Eastern European origin. I could be way off! but I don't see it as
Irish crochet.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:37 PM,  wrote:

> Hello All!  I just posted a scan of a lace mat that belongs to a friend in
> Ohio.  If anyone has an opinion as to its origin, I would love to know.
> The undulating cord, picot bars & Irish crochet motifs are quite robust.
> The entire mat is approxiimately 12"x12".
>



-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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RE: [lace] lace ID?

[Lorelei Halley]

Susan
An interesting piece. That wide outer border tape is something used in 
something called "Bruges crochet". But I don't think it actually has anything 
to do with Bruges. The Irish crochet elements are very interesting, especially 
the maple leaf shaped ones.
Lorelei

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If anyone has an opinion as to its origin, I would love to know.  Susan Hottle 
USA 

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Re: [lace] Lace ID reference books

[Malvary Cole]

Someone on Facebook just mentioned Marian Powys.  I didn't think I knew 
anything about her, so checked on google.  She has an item on the 
professor's site 'A Further Legacy Three Personal Lace Notebooks of Marian 
Powys' https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/articles/nb85_lc2.pdf


She shows at least one example of Mechlin - don't know if this is of 
interest to those discussing the subject of how to identify Mechlin.


Malvary in Ottawa where we had 28cm of snow yesterday and are looking 
forward to another dump of 10-20 cm between Tuesday afternoon and Thursday 
morning.  I think I'll have to start putting it in the bath so I can get out 
of my driveway


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Subject: [lace] Lace ID reference books

In relation to what Alex was saying about Mechlin and what it meant in the
18th century, I think that Santina Levey says fairly early in her book that
most of the terms we use now were coined by lace dealers in the late 19th 
and
early 20th century, and would be unrecognizable to people in the era when 
the

lace was made.
If memory serves, a particularly egregious example was calling a lace Binche
because a piece resembling it had been found on a carnival costume in 
Binche,

although the lace was never made there. Another example is dubbing things
Cluny after a piece found in the Cluny museum in Paris.
But, of course, it is the language being  used in the late 19th and early 
20th

century by dealers and auctioneers that has found its way into the catalogue
system.
I have been consulting a number of books. Levey, of course, Toomer, Antique
Laces, Identifying types and Techniques, Gwynne’s the Illustrated 
Dictionary

of Lace, Kurella’s Guide to Lace and Linens, and Pat Earnshaw’s three
books, the Dictionary of Lace, the Identification of Lace and Bobbin and
Needle laces Identification and Care. Interestingly, Pat Earnshaw’s books
are not necessarily consistent. But, that serves as a powerful reminder that
whenever you write something and publish it, you immediately find out  you
were wrong about something.
I also have a dictionary  by J. Coene called Kantlexicon. In addition, I 
have

my vast library of books on individual laces. One thing that has been a
pleasant surprise is that it is sometimes quite easy to search the older 
books

on google books using a word search.
Does anyone have other suggestions for good ID books?
Devon


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Re: [lace] Lace ID reference books

[Malvary Cole]

Mea culpa, I forgot to trim the message before I sent my reply moments ago.

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Re: [lace] Lace ID

[Ilske Thomsen]

As lace type this belongs to the Guipure laces. If it comes from the  
region of Mirecourt is verydifficult to decide. So in my opinion it's  
better to stay by the lace types than the places they were made.


Greetings
Ilske

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Re: [lace] Lace ID

[Ilske Thomsen]

Sorry but I don't think so


Handmade English Bedfordshire bobbin lace.


where are the tallies? And it is not fine enough for Bedfordshire, I  
think.


Ilske

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Re: [lace] Lace ID

[Patty Dowden]

At 08:40 PM 6/21/2008, Kathryn Nuttall wrote:

Can anyone identify this type of lace?

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay025-17.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay031-19.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay027-15.jpg
It looks to me most like Miracourt, a french lace, late 19th century, 
much used on furnishings and trimmings.  The fact that it sort of 
looks like duchesse on a coarser scale and the half stitch motifs 
with a large gimp convince me.


Patty 


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Re: [lace] Lace ID

[Kate Henry]

Handmade English Bedfordshire bobbin lace.
Kate Henry
Indiana USA

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At 08:40 PM 6/21/2008, Kathryn Nuttall wrote:

Can anyone identify this type of lace?

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay025-17.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay031-19.jpg

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn10/adam1christy/ebay027-15.jpg
It looks to me most like Miracourt, a french lace, late 19th century, 
much used on furnishings and trimmings.  The fact that it sort of 
looks like duchesse on a coarser scale and the half stitch motifs 
with a large gimp convince me.


Patty 


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Re: [lace] Lace ID Help

[Brenda Paternoster]

Hello Linda

Looks like Irish crochet to me.
It's a form of crochet with lots of padding and raised work done to 
imitate Venetian Gros Point needle lace.


Brenda

Can anyone help me identify what type of lace is on a bodice circa 
1900-1906?  I have uploaded two images of the lace with large photos 
that the experts can download and enlarge on their computers.


URLs:
www.costumegallery.com/temp/image1.jpg
www.costumegallery.com/temp/image2.jpg



Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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Re: [lace] Lace ID Help

[Ilske Thomsen]

Linda,
in my opinion it is Irish crochet.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Lace ID Help

[David in Ballarat]

At 07:15 PM 17/05/2008, Brenda Paternoster wrote:


Hello Linda

Looks like Irish crochet to me.
It's a form of crochet with lots of padding and raised work done to 
imitate Venetian Gros Point needle lace.


Brenda


To me it is straight out Irish Crochet.
David in Ballarat


URLs:
www.costumegallery.com/temp/image1.jpg
www.costumegallery.com/temp/image2.jpg


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