Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 08:33:53PM +0700, Paul Ishenin wrote: > Lukas Gradl wrote: >> For Zeos and Indy I disagree - there are working DB-Components in the >> standard-set and socket programming is nothing for a beginner. > iirc, both zeos and indy are non-visual components, so I think you can ask > fpc team to add them to their packages - then lazarus will only have > lazarus package file and nice component icons to integrate that fpc > packages to ide. Indy has designtime components and at least one property editor. A good solution still has to be found. IMHO Indy should be included in FPC (with some minimal designtime pkg in Lazsrus), but I was overruled by the other fpc devels. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:09:18 +0700 Bee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The IDE can only use standard components, that are maintained by the > > lazarus developers. > > Currently, there are some components that don't meet your 'standard' > criteria. For example: IPro, SynEdit, and TDBF. Should we exclude > them on next release? ;) > > I split third party components into 2 types. First, one that's ported > by us (Lazarus developers and friends), more over if the original > author doesn't support the porting effort. IPro, SynEdit, TDBF, VTV, > and LazReport are on this type. Second, one that's ported by the > original author, both officially or unofficially. ZeosLib and Indy > are on this type. > > First type, IMO, allows to (or should) be included as default > component if it's considered very useful. Second type, IMO, must > never be included as default component, unless it turns out become > the first type (for example if the author stops the development). Please distinguish: - base packages: needed by the IDE to run, these can not be uninstalled. These should be kept to a minimum. ipro will probably be never one of them. The RTTI controls could become part of it, because they are mostly a smart way of using the IDEIntf units and could even save code. - bigide packages: packages maintained by lazarus developers and added to the binary distribution packages of lazarus. For example: printers4lazarus. Keep in mind that not every package maintained by laz devels is automatically added to bigide. LazReport can be added to bigide, when it is stable enough. - third parties, distributions: Of course people can create their own lazarus binaries with a lot more packages. There are already some for educations, for game development and for experimental purposes. - the coming fppackage system: Eventually everyone can upload their packages to the fppackage repositories. This will make searching, downloading, compiling and installing easier. Somewhat like CPAN and hopefully without the perl/c/make problems. Mattias _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
LazReport has problem in EdUbuntu 7.10. 2007/12/20, Damien Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Dec 20, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Marius wrote: > > > Mattias Gaertner wrote: > >> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:42:41 +0100 > >> Marius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I would like to use virtualtreeview in the IDE for the future > >>> project manager. Its the only component that combines a tree, > >>> icons and > >>> multiple columns with some nice colors. > >> The IDE can only use standard components, that are maintained by the > >> lazarus developers. > > > > Question: Would it be a problem to include it? Or isn't VT available > > (and working) for all platforms? If its not available for mainstream > > (linux and windows > > And OS X :) > > > ) i would hesitate to use it.. > > > > Greetings, > > Marius > > > > _ > >To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject > > archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives > > > > -- > Damien Gerard > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > People who used magic without knowing what they were doing usually > came to a sticky end. All over the entire room, sometimes. > -- (Terry Pratchett, Moving Pictures) > > > > _ > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject >archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives >
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
On Dec 20, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Marius wrote: Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:42:41 +0100 Marius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would like to use virtualtreeview in the IDE for the future project manager. Its the only component that combines a tree, icons and multiple columns with some nice colors. The IDE can only use standard components, that are maintained by the lazarus developers. Question: Would it be a problem to include it? Or isn't VT available (and working) for all platforms? If its not available for mainstream (linux and windows And OS X :) ) i would hesitate to use it.. Greetings, Marius _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives -- Damien Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] People who used magic without knowing what they were doing usually came to a sticky end. All over the entire room, sometimes. -- (Terry Pratchett, Moving Pictures) _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:42:41 +0100 Marius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would like to use virtualtreeview in the IDE for the future project manager. Its the only component that combines a tree, icons and multiple columns with some nice colors. The IDE can only use standard components, that are maintained by the lazarus developers. Question: Would it be a problem to include it? Or isn't VT available (and working) for all platforms? If its not available for mainstream (linux and windows) i would hesitate to use it.. Greetings, Marius _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
Lukas Gradl wrote: For Zeos and Indy I disagree - there are working DB-Components in the standard-set and socket programming is nothing for a beginner. iirc, both zeos and indy are non-visual components, so I think you can ask fpc team to add them to their packages - then lazarus will only have lazarus package file and nice component icons to integrate that fpc packages to ide. Best regards, Paul Ishenin. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
On Dec 20, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Lukas Gradl wrote: I agree - I think for further promoting Lazarus as a "grown up" develpment package a reporting toolset is absolutly necessary. Did'nt use VTV so far - but it looks like a good component to get a mighty UI for an application - so it should be in the "out-of-the- box" set as well. I agree too but afaik it is not really tested under OS X. Additionally, as it was pointed out, that means there is a Lazarus Dev in the laz team to maintain it. For Zeos and Indy I disagree - there are working DB-Components in the standard-set and socket programming is nothing for a beginner. I don't think beginners are the point, "Really usefull and (always) used" should be considered instead. There are already laz/fpc components to manage DB and they seem to be good enough. About IndY, honestly I would prefer lnet or Synapse for my part. And as not anyone would agree with that, it cannot be directly included : the choice can only be made by the developer. And there are already usefull classes wihtin fpc. Most of app don't use IMAP connections for example. In fact it is not obvious :) regards Lukas Bee schrieb: Hi all, I propose to Lazarus developers to include LazReport and VirtualTreeView as included default components in "make bigide". Both are very useful components to users. TIA. -Bee- has Bee.ography at: http://beeography.wordpress.com _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives -- software security networks Lukas Gradl Eduard-Bodem-Gasse 9 A - 6020 Innsbruck Tel: +43-720-300168-0 Fax: +43-512-341033-19 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives -- Damien Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] People who used magic without knowing what they were doing usually came to a sticky end. All over the entire room, sometimes. -- (Terry Pratchett, Moving Pictures) _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
I agree - I think for further promoting Lazarus as a "grown up" develpment package a reporting toolset is absolutly necessary. Did'nt use VTV so far - but it looks like a good component to get a mighty UI for an application - so it should be in the "out-of-the-box" set as well. For Zeos and Indy I disagree - there are working DB-Components in the standard-set and socket programming is nothing for a beginner. regards Lukas Bee schrieb: Hi all, I propose to Lazarus developers to include LazReport and VirtualTreeView as included default components in "make bigide". Both are very useful components to users. TIA. -Bee- has Bee.ography at: http://beeography.wordpress.com _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives -- software security networks Lukas Gradl Eduard-Bodem-Gasse 9 A - 6020 Innsbruck Tel: +43-720-300168-0 Fax: +43-512-341033-19 _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
Bee schreef: The IDE can only use standard components, that are maintained by the lazarus developers. Currently, there are some components that don't meet your 'standard' criteria. For example: IPro, SynEdit, and TDBF. Should we exclude them on next release? ;) TDBF is maintained by Micha Nelissen, who happens to be a Lazarus developer. The synedit version used is Lazarus has had so many changes you cannot say we don't maintain it. IPro has had many changes too, by at least three different persons, so the Lazarus team is able to maintain that too. So all three meet the criteria of "maintained by Lazarus developers". Vincent _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
The IDE can only use standard components, that are maintained by the lazarus developers. Currently, there are some components that don't meet your 'standard' criteria. For example: IPro, SynEdit, and TDBF. Should we exclude them on next release? ;) I split third party components into 2 types. First, one that's ported by us (Lazarus developers and friends), more over if the original author doesn't support the porting effort. IPro, SynEdit, TDBF, VTV, and LazReport are on this type. Second, one that's ported by the original author, both officially or unofficially. ZeosLib and Indy are on this type. First type, IMO, allows to (or should) be included as default component if it's considered very useful. Second type, IMO, must never be included as default component, unless it turns out become the first type (for example if the author stops the development). -Bee- has Bee.ography at: http://beeography.wordpress.com _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
I suggest to add also ZeosLib and Indy4Lazarus! I disagree about Zeoslib and Indy. Doesn't mean I don't like then, I even use them. Both are HUGE packages. IMO, it's better for themselves to be independent third-party components. Besides, they also must keep the Delphi compatibility where they initially came from. This is different with LazReport and VTV, especially the LazReport. Though lazReport came from FreeReport but I see it as a 'branch' instead of a port. Same thing also happens to SynEdit. -Bee- has Bee.ography at: http://beeography.wordpress.com _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:42:41 +0100 Marius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to use virtualtreeview in the IDE for the future project > manager. Its the only component that combines a tree, icons and > multiple columns with some nice colors. The IDE can only use standard components, that are maintained by the lazarus developers. > However the first project manager will just be a simple list of > projects. Mattias _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
Hi to all, I suggest to add also ZeosLib and Indy4Lazarus! What do you think about? 2007/12/20, Damien Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Vincent Snijders wrote: > > > Damien Gerard schreef: > >> On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Bee wrote: > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I propose to Lazarus developers to include LazReport and > >>> VirtualTreeView as included default components in "make bigide". > >>> Both are very useful components to users. > >>> > >> I agree with you. My policy is to only use the default provided set > >> of components in order to be sure components work :) > > > > Yes, and to accomplish that (being sure that components work), the > > default provided set should be as small as possible :-) > > > > Yes that's the point. > But I must admit I would like to use in several cases the > VirtualTreeView. > > > > Vincent > > > > -- > Damien Gerard > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > People who used magic without knowing what they were doing usually > came to a sticky end. All over the entire room, sometimes. > -- (Terry Pratchett, Moving Pictures) > > > > _ > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject >archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives > -- Best regards... Fabio Dell'Aria.
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Vincent Snijders wrote: Damien Gerard schreef: On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Bee wrote: Hi all, I propose to Lazarus developers to include LazReport and VirtualTreeView as included default components in "make bigide". Both are very useful components to users. I agree with you. My policy is to only use the default provided set of components in order to be sure components work :) Yes, and to accomplish that (being sure that components work), the default provided set should be as small as possible :-) Yes that's the point. But I must admit I would like to use in several cases the VirtualTreeView. Vincent -- Damien Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] People who used magic without knowing what they were doing usually came to a sticky end. All over the entire room, sometimes. -- (Terry Pratchett, Moving Pictures) _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
Damien Gerard schreef: On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Bee wrote: Hi all, I propose to Lazarus developers to include LazReport and VirtualTreeView as included default components in "make bigide". Both are very useful components to users. I agree with you. My policy is to only use the default provided set of components in order to be sure components work :) Yes, and to accomplish that (being sure that components work), the default provided set should be as small as possible :-) Vincent _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
On Dec 20, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Bee wrote: Hi all, I propose to Lazarus developers to include LazReport and VirtualTreeView as included default components in "make bigide". Both are very useful components to users. I agree with you. My policy is to only use the default provided set of components in order to be sure components work :) TIA. -Bee- has Bee.ography at: http://beeography.wordpress.com -- Damien Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] People who used magic without knowing what they were doing usually came to a sticky end. All over the entire room, sometimes. -- (Terry Pratchett, Moving Pictures) _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
I would like to use virtualtreeview in the IDE for the future project manager. Its the only component that combines a tree, icons and multiple columns with some nice colors. However the first project manager will just be a simple list of projects. Bee wrote: Hi all, I propose to Lazarus developers to include LazReport and VirtualTreeView as included default components in "make bigide". Both are very useful components to users. TIA. -Bee- _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] REQ: include LazReport and VirtualTV in bigide
I absolutely agree with you! :) Really useful suggestion. 2007/12/20, Bee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hi all, > > I propose to Lazarus developers to include LazReport and VirtualTreeView > as included default components in "make bigide". Both are very useful > components to users. > > TIA. > > -Bee- > > has Bee.ography at: > http://beeography.wordpress.com > > _ > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject >archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives > -- Best regards... Fabio Dell'Aria.
