Re: [LegacyUG] moving from source to event
If I've understood the problem correctly, it can't be sorted out via manipulating a Gedcom - or if it can it would be as much work as shifting them within Legacy as the sources have source detail and have to be both copied to an event and copied as a source for that event. Cathy singhals wrote: mi...@juno.com wrote: Cheryl, I've played around with your idea of running a GED and trying different transfer possibilites, but either it just won't do the job, or I've misunderstood your suggestion. I appreciate your thought, though. Thanks, Anne If you're still needing it at Thanksgiving, e-mail me off list. I'm going to be too busy to experiment with it until about then. Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] moving from source to event
OK, just a thought. I've done a lot of oddball things using GED so I thought I'd mention it, but with my time-crunch I didn't have time to experiment. Cheryl Cathy Pinner wrote: If I've understood the problem correctly, it can't be sorted out via manipulating a Gedcom - or if it can it would be as much work as shifting them within Legacy as the sources have source detail and have to be both copied to an event and copied as a source for that event. Cathy singhals wrote: mi...@juno.com wrote: Cheryl, I've played around with your idea of running a GED and trying different transfer possibilites, but either it just won't do the job, or I've misunderstood your suggestion. I appreciate your thought, though. Thanks, Anne If you're still needing it at Thanksgiving, e-mail me off list. I'm going to be too busy to experiment with it until about then. Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] moving from source to event
Cheryl, I've played around with your idea of running a GED and trying different transfer possibilites, but either it just won't do the job, or I've misunderstood your suggestion. I appreciate your thought, though. Thanks, Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] moving from source to event
mi...@juno.com wrote: Cheryl, I've played around with your idea of running a GED and trying different transfer possibilites, but either it just won't do the job, or I've misunderstood your suggestion. I appreciate your thought, though. Thanks, Anne If you're still needing it at Thanksgiving, e-mail me off list. I'm going to be too busy to experiment with it until about then. Cheryl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] moving from source to event
Hi Anne, Well you found an option in Legacy that I didn't know existed. options for non-sources. That doesn't happen very often ;-) It sounds like you'll have to do them one by one though it may be easier if you used the copy to general notes option in the non-sources options and did it from there so you weren't constantly going back to the assigned sources page - but what is easier depends on whether you have notes for these people. The census and military sources would remain sources for the name. I don't think a move or copy to the event notes works unless the source is already attached to that event. I'd be using Show List for the Master Source and then tagging those that use it and working through the tagged group. This can be done most efficiently EITHER by working in a Search list based on the tag (or the master source) OR by using the Individual Tag box at the bottom right of the screen, setting this to the right tag number and using the arrows to scroll from one person to the next. The events will still need a source. Perhaps these are in sources because the program you were previously using didn't have a place for specific events - or perhaps in those days you just saw a census as a source as some still do - in which case you'd enter at least a residence event with the census as the source so that it shows in a person's timeline/chronology. I enter the census as an event as well as a source as the residence may be the same for a number of different censuses and also have a number of other sources. I want to be able to look at the Event list and see very easily whether I've found someone in every relevant census. To do this fully is a huge job, especially if you haven't transcribed the census data or included the actual census reference - but you may at least in the first instant be happy without that much detail. I put a transcript in the head of household event notes as well as the Source Detail Text. I'm in the process of updating some of my census sources as when I found them I didn't really understand the reference - and generally the information was coming from a transcript rather than the image. Note that copying the source to either event notes or general notes only takes the parts checked for printing. So if source detail text and comments aren't checked, they're not copied. Sorry it could be a long job but tagging helps you to do it in manageable bits or when you feel like it as you untag each person when you've processed them. If you use the tag box at the bottom right to cycle through the people, you may want to go to Options - Customise 12.5 and turn off the message telling you that you're at the end (or beginning) of a tag list and need to go to the beginning (or end). Cathy mi...@juno.com wrote: Hi Cathy, Thanks for replying. I believe I need to make new specific events on each person and move the census (and other things) from sources for that person to the new events. When these were originally input, about 35-40 years ago, there wasn't a distinction between the source and its event. (These records are all under name rather the unspecified in the Assigned Sources, I don't know why.) The ged.coms, as I transferred from program to program through the years, finally ended up with this information in sources here in Legacy. My source is just 1850 Census for example. Then I put the place in the details. I never recorded where I found the censuses. Each entry is for one person only, as I haven't yet decided to share with each family member listed, I only have it on the head. So, I have 4 or 5 census entries and once in a while a military, for pretty much each person, several thousand, and they all show in footnotes on reports, instead of in the body of the report where I do want the whole record. Nothing was transferred to events by the ged.coms. My entries for birth, death, marriage certificates, documents, newspaper articles, etc are all in sources, which is OK, but never in events. I believe I'll have to create events for at least some of these, to get the info to print elegantly in reports, but I thought I'd start with the census records as they take up so much space. 2. I mean I went to master source listoptionsoptions for non-sourcescopy to: events or notes. But I guess I would already need an event set up for it to copy to. Thus the hand work. Thanks for the clipboard idea. I've never used the clipboard before, so this will give me the impetus to figure that tool out. It sounds like it can save me time, even doing them one by one. Well, many of my census entries do show a source, that is I once entered see census file because even all those years ago I always took a photocopy of each census page and have a physical file of copies for each family. Now-a-days my new copies are jpg's on the computer, so there are the 2 sources, if that makes any difference. Thank you for your thoughts on my dilemma. Anne Follow Legacy on
Re: [LegacyUG] moving from source to event
Thank you Cathy, your suggestions are all very good. As I understand it, I will have to enter each new event one by one, transferring the information from its position in sources. I have the census transcriptions in source detail, and I think I'll be able to copy them via the non-source options to event notes, once I make an event. You're suggesting I have them in both places, I think. I will have a long slog. I've also never used tags before so I'm going to postpone the actual clean-up project until I learn all about the program tags and clipboard usage, and make sure I have my sources in the correct format. Thanks so much, and if you later find some magic universal transfer button, let me know..Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] moving from source to event
Cathy? What if she ran a GED, then hand-inserted the event (type it once, then copy'n'paste) where it's needed, then re-import into a 2nd db and finish the process there? I try not to use Events so I've never done a GED with them in, but seems to me it might be faster. Cheryl Cathy Pinner wrote: Hi Anne, Well you found an option in Legacy that I didn't know existed. options for non-sources. That doesn't happen very often ;-) It sounds like you'll have to do them one by one though it may be easier if you used the copy to general notes option in the non-sources options and did it from there so you weren't constantly going back to the assigned sources page - but what is easier depends on whether you have notes for these people. The census and military sources would remain sources for the name. I don't think a move or copy to the event notes works unless the source is already attached to that event. I'd be using Show List for the Master Source and then tagging those that use it and working through the tagged group. This can be done most efficiently EITHER by working in a Search list based on the tag (or the master source) OR by using the Individual T ag box at the bottom right of the screen, setting this to the right tag number and using the arrows to scroll from one person to the next. The events will still need a source. Perhaps these are in sources because the program you were previously using didn't have a place for specific events - or perhaps in those days you just saw a census as a source as some still do - in which case you'd enter at least a residence event with the census as the source so that it shows in a person's timeline/chronology. I enter the census as an event as well as a source as the residence may be the same for a number of different censuses and also have a number of other sources. I want to be able to look at the Event list and see very easily whether I've found someone in every relevant census. To do this fully is a huge job, especially if you haven't transcribed the census data or included the actual census reference - but you may at least in the first instant b e happy without that much detail. I put a transcript in the head of household event notes as well as the Source Detail Text. I'm in the process of updating some of my census sources as when I found them I didn't really understand the reference - and generally the information was coming from a transcript rather than the image. Note that copying the source to either event notes or general notes only takes the parts checked for printing. So if source detail text and comments aren't checked, they're not copied. Sorry it could be a long job but tagging helps you to do it in manageable bits or when you feel like it as you untag each person when you've processed them. If you use the tag box at the bottom right to cycle through the people, you may want to go to Options - Customise 12.5 and turn off the message telling you that you're at the end (or beginning) of a tag list and need to go to the beginning (or end). Cathy mi...@juno.com wrote: Hi Cathy, Thanks for replying. I believe I need to make new specific events on each person and move the census (and other things) from sources for that person to the new events. When these were originally input, about 35-40 years ago, there wasn't a distinction between the source and its event. (These records are all under name rather the unspecified in the Assigned Sources, I don't know why.) The ged.coms, as I transferred from program to program through the years, finally ended up with this information in sources here in Legacy. My source is just 1850 Census for example. Then I put the place in the details. I never recorded where I found the censuses. Each entry is for one person only, as I haven't yet decided to share with each family member listed, I only have it on the head. So, I have 4 or 5 census entries and once in a while a military, for pretty much each person, several thousand, and they all show in footnotes on reports, instead of in the body of the report where I do want the whole record. Nothing was transferred to events by the ged.coms. My entries for birth, death, marriage certificates, documents, newspaper articles, etc are all in sources, which is OK, but never in events. I believe I'll have to create events for at least some of these, to get the info to print elegantly in reports, but I thought I'd start with the census records as they take up so much space. 2. I mean I went to master source listoptionsoptions for non-sourcescopy to: events or notes. But I guess I would already need an event set up for it to copy to. Thus the hand work. Thanks for the clipboard idea. I've never used the clipboard before, so this will give me the impetus to figure that tool out. It sounds like it can save me time, even doing them one by one. Well, many of my census entries do show a
Re: [LegacyUG] moving from source to event
Hi Cathy, Thanks for replying. I believe I need to make new specific events on each person and move the census (and other things) from sources for that person to the new events. When these were originally input, about 35-40 years ago, there wasn't a distinction between the source and its event. (These records are all under name rather the unspecified in the Assigned Sources, I don't know why.) The ged.coms, as I transferred from program to program through the years, finally ended up with this information in sources here in Legacy. My source is just 1850 Census for example. Then I put the place in the details. I never recorded where I found the censuses. Each entry is for one person only, as I haven't yet decided to share with each family member listed, I only have it on the head. So, I have 4 or 5 census entries and once in a while a military, for pretty much each person, several thousand, and they all show in footnotes on reports, instead of in the body of the report where I do want the whole record. Nothing was transferred to events by the ged.coms. My entries for birth, death, marriage certificates, documents, newspaper articles, etc are all in sources, which is OK, but never in events. I believe I'll have to create events for at least some of these, to get the info to print elegantly in reports, but I thought I'd start with the census records as they take up so much space. 2. I mean I went to master source list options options for non-sources copy to:events or notes. But I guess I would already need an event set up for it to copy to. Thus the hand work. Thanks for the clipboard idea. I've never used the clipboard before, so this will give me the impetus to figure that tool out. It sounds like it can save me time, even doing them one by one. Well, many of my census entries do show a source, that is I once entered see census file because even all those years ago I always took a photocopy of each census page and have a physical file of copies for each family. Now-a-days my new copies are jpg's on the computer, so there are the 2 sources, if that makes any difference. Thank you for your thoughts on my dilemma. Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] moving from source to event
Hi Anne, Can you clarify what you are trying to do? 1) Do you mean that you want to move census and military sources from the Unspecified field in the Assigned Sources to the specific events? That is, you are wanting to source Census and Military Events with the sources that are currently in the unspecified field? Or are you wanting to make new events (and presumably also attach the source to these new events)? 2) Do you mean that you've found the Advanced Sourcing Tool and can see how to use it to apply the source to the Birth, Death etc but can't see how to use it for Events? It's a very blunt tool for specific events/facts as you can't even restrict by Event type. You'd do better to load the source on the source clipboard, create a search list of the people who have the relevant event and then use the Search List/Name list Sources tab to go through the list and apply the Source Clipboard where appropriate. Cathy mi...@juno.com mailto:mi...@juno.com Monday, 6 October 2014 4:27 AM Hello Group, I have Legacy 8.00439 and would like to move all my census and military records from sources (where the original ged.com put them long ago, to events. I see how to move from sources to birth, death, and marriage events, and to notes, but that screen doesn't seem to move them to the regular events/facts. Looks like I'll be doing them one by one, yes? Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
