Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
@Pieren Well that is exactly the point: we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than other organisations. @Martin It is undoubtedly so that the information in question is -not- simply available for use. You need to invest the time and effort to actually go out and collect it. Google has done so and that we should respect, regardless of legalities*. Simon * depending on jurisdiction this could go far further that copyright, database and contract law, for example unfair competition legislation and so on. Am 08.04.2014 10:23, schrieb Pieren: On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: do we really want to use data collected by somebody that doesn't want us to do so? Asking this question about Google is more than a little ironic ... Pieren ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
2014-04-08 10:39 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: @Martin It is undoubtedly so that the information in question is -not- simply available for use. You need to invest the time and effort to actually go out and collect it. Google has done so and that we should respect, regardless of legalities*. I am aware of this, but you have put ethics into play. If someone developped a system to analyze and store the DNA information of another person (or of an animal, plant), should they be able to become the proprietor of this information and forbid others to use it or ask license fees? Collecting information about the world, nature, the universe ,etc. (regardless how great the effort is) does not automatically make you the exclusive owner of this information. Now in some jurisdictions it is actually possible to put patents and the like on stuff that is basically derived from nature, but it doesn't seem very ethical, at least not to me. To make it clear, I am not advocating to use Google StreetView to derive information for OSM, I agree that we cannot allow to do so, because we want to have a dataset that is globally usable in every jurisdiction for any use, I was simply replying to the ethical argument that you have raised. cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
Am 08.04.2014 10:55, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014-04-08 10:39 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch: @Martin It is undoubtedly so that the information in question is -not- simply available for use. You need to invest the time and effort to actually go out and collect it. Google has done so and that we should respect, regardless of legalities*. I am aware of this, but you have put ethics into play. If someone developped a system to analyze and store the DNA information of another person (or of an animal, plant), should they be able to become the proprietor of this information and forbid others to use it or ask license fees? Collecting information about the world, nature, the universe ,etc. (regardless how great the effort is) does not automatically make you the exclusive owner of this information. That is a completely different kettle of fish and a very different discussion. I am not aware of google or any of the other relevant companies or body (with the exception of some states and some national monopoly organisations) claiming exclusivity on such collections. With other words we are free to go out and replicate their effort, which in the end, is what OSM is all about. Yes, there is some concern on my behalf that we may run in to some non-copyright related IP issues at some point in time but google is -very- unlikely to be the problem. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 11:19:51 +0200 From: Simon Poole si...@poole.ch To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey Message-ID: 5343bf37.5030...@poole.ch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Am 08.04.2014 10:55, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: 2014-04-08 10:39 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch mailto:si...@poole.ch: @Martin It is undoubtedly so that the information in question is -not- simply available for use. You need to invest the time and effort to actually go out and collect it. Google has done so and that we should respect, regardless of legalities*. I am aware of this, but you have put ethics into play. If someone developped a system to analyze and store the DNA information of another person (or of an animal, plant), should they be able to become the proprietor of this information and forbid others to use it or ask license fees? Collecting information about the world, nature, the universe ,etc. (regardless how great the effort is) does not automatically make you the exclusive owner of this information. That is a completely different kettle of fish and a very different discussion. I am not aware of google or any of the other relevant companies or body (with the exception of some states and some national monopoly organisations) claiming exclusivity on such collections. With other words we are free to go out and replicate their effort, which in the end, is what OSM is all about. Yes, there is some concern on my behalf that we may run in to some non-copyright related IP issues at some point in time but google is -very- unlikely to be the problem. Simon Hi, Simon! I guess I missed something. Can you, please, explain that? I didn't get the IP issues part and consequently why Google unlikely would be the problem. That leads to the question about who would pose problems. regards, Paulo ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
Am 08.04.2014 16:16, schrieb Paulo Carvalho: .. I guess I missed something. Can you, please, explain that? I didn't get the IP issues part and consequently why Google unlikely would be the problem. That leads to the question about who would pose problems. There is simply a possibility that we might be violating somebodies patents. When one of the big four players or even smaller ones go belly up in the future I expect a flurry of patent related suits just as we have seen in the mobile space. There is nothing we can do about this except lobby against software patents, so really there is no reason to loose sleep over it. Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 02:38:07 +0200 From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtualsurvey Message-ID: 2c0901c2-d759-4bbe-b330-ca80303f5...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Am 07/apr/2014 um 02:24 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: You can always file for a declaratory judgment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratory_judgment interesting, wouldn't it be a good idea to try this for deriving facts from google sat or street view? On the other hand this would maybe not work out for OSMF with their seat in London? In European jurisdiction with its database doctrine those will probably be protected also when deriving uncopyrightable facts Wikimapia also doesn't have a permission from Google to use its sat imagery to build their maps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiMapia#Licensing . An on-going discussion in their forum was locked and several members tried to derail the topic towards the inquirer: http://wikimapia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1t=10055start=10. It seems that Wikimapia has also this concern in mind. Their usage of Google material is rather obvious and they've been getting away with it for five years... regards, Paulo ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
This is obviously a legal grey area and until it ends up in court I suspect it will remain a grey area. However, I feel what IS black and white is that if we were to officially use Google StreetView or any non-open source to build our data then we should expect a lawsuit from Google or any other owner of said service/medium/technology. Also, we should remember that their legal budget will be much bigger than ours. In my opinion, we can only have one stance and that is such services are not available for us to use as a source for our database. We should, however, approach Google et al and ask them if they prohibit such use, I'm sure they'll say that we can't use it, but at least we'll know. To use any such service without express permission risks EVERYTHING, we would be leaving a door open for Google et al to file against us in the future and OSM could just descend into a legal black hole. Google would love that! We MUST be whiter than white. The Open in OpenStreetMap is a responsibility as well as a right and to protect that right we must act responsibly. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 05/04/2014 16:50, Paulo Carvalho wrote: Dear fellow mappers, Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from the Brazil community and a question rose there which caused a split in the group regarding Google Street View to perform virtual surveys, such as taking notes of house numbers and plotting them in the maps. After reading http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#2a._Can_I_trace_data_from_Google_Maps.2FNokia_Maps.2F3F , I was pondering about the impossibility of copyright and licenses apply to facts and reality (not regarding philosophical aspects). Google Street View photos depict reality or facts, thus I could use them to observe reality and derive interpretations which would be genuine creative work. It would be illegal to use the images in Mapillary, for instance, but the facts depicted by the images are not property of Google. Your thoughts, please Paulo Carvalho ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
I think the License Working Group would echo exactly what Jonathan says. While it does not solve the problem of being able to map where there are no mappers, may I also seize the opportunity to promote John McKerrell's excellent OpenStreetView? It is a great under-exploited tool! http://openstreetview.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openstreetview Single photo and bulk upload works well. I am slowly adding my collection of 40,000+ OSM survey photos in the hope that other mappers will be able squeeze out even more map detail. You can choose from a variety of licenses for the actual photo, but the photo metadata is CC0. Mike On 07/04/2014 17:16, jonathan wrote: This is obviously a legal grey area and until it ends up in court I suspect it will remain a grey area. However, I feel what IS black and white is that if we were to officially use Google StreetView or any non-open source to build our data then we should expect a lawsuit from Google or any other owner of said service/medium/technology. Also, we should remember that their legal budget will be much bigger than ours. In my opinion, we can only have one stance and that is such services are not available for us to use as a source for our database. We should, however, approach Google et al and ask them if they prohibit such use, I'm sure they'll say that we can't use it, but at least we'll know. To use any such service without express permission risks EVERYTHING, we would be leaving a door open for Google et al to file against us in the future and OSM could just descend into a legal black hole. Google would love that! We MUST be whiter than white. The Open in OpenStreetMap is a responsibility as well as a right and to protect that right we must act responsibly. Jonathan http://bigfatfrog67.me On 05/04/2014 16:50, Paulo Carvalho wrote: Dear fellow mappers, Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from the Brazil community and a question rose there which caused a split in the group regarding Google Street View to perform virtual surveys, such as taking notes of house numbers and plotting them in the maps. After reading http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#2a._Can_I_trace_data_from_Google_Maps.2FNokia_Maps.2F3F , I was pondering about the impossibility of copyright and licenses apply to facts and reality (not regarding philosophical aspects). Google Street View photos depict reality or facts, thus I could use them to observe reality and derive interpretations which would be genuine creative work. It would be illegal to use the images in Mapillary, for instance, but the facts depicted by the images are not property of Google. Your thoughts, please Paulo Carvalho ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
Most has already been said on this topic. Just one comment on the, superficially sane sounding, idea of getting a declaratory judgement: forgetting the ethical side of it (do we really want to use data collected by somebody that doesn't want us to do so?), we would need such a judgement in -every- jurisdiction where we would want people to freely use our data. That is so obviously balmy that i don't think it needs further discussion. Simon 07.04.2014 02:38, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 07/apr/2014 um 02:24 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com mailto:sea...@gmail.com: You can always file for a declaratory judgment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratory_judgment interesting, wouldn't it be a good idea to try this for deriving facts from google sat or street view? On the other hand this would maybe not work out for OSMF with their seat in London? In European jurisdiction with its database doctrine those will probably be protected also when deriving uncopyrightable facts cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
Am 07/apr/2014 um 19:57 schrieb Simon Poole si...@poole.ch: forgetting the ethical side of it (do we really want to use data collected by somebody that doesn't want us to do so?), from an ethical point of view you could also see it like this: as the information (geographic facts) in the data does not belong to them (but to everybody), why should they be able to put restrictions on the use? (undue appropriation) we would need such a judgement in -every- jurisdiction where we would want people to freely use our data. That is so obviously balmy that i don't think it needs further discussion. +1 (sweat of the brow) cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 18:04:58 +0200 From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey Message-ID: 5342ccaa.8080...@ayeltd.biz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed I think the License Working Group would echo exactly what Jonathan says. While it does not solve the problem of being able to map where there are no mappers, may I also seize the opportunity to promote John McKerrell's excellent OpenStreetView? It is a great under-exploited tool! http://openstreetview.org/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openstreetview Single photo and bulk upload works well. I am slowly adding my collection of 40,000+ OSM survey photos in the hope that other mappers will be able squeeze out even more map detail. You can choose from a variety of licenses for the actual photo, but the photo metadata is CC0. Mike Someone told me OSV was not currently being develped. Is this true? regards, Paulo ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: Am 06/apr/2014 um 01:24 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: or if a court decision says *exactly* that it is OK to copy stuff for OSM. how would you get that decision if you didn't use the material before? You can always file for a declaratory judgment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratory_judgment ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
Am 07/apr/2014 um 02:24 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: You can always file for a declaratory judgment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratory_judgment interesting, wouldn't it be a good idea to try this for deriving facts from google sat or street view? On the other hand this would maybe not work out for OSMF with their seat in London? In European jurisdiction with its database doctrine those will probably be protected also when deriving uncopyrightable facts cheers, Martin___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
Dear fellow mappers, Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from the Brazil community and a question rose there which caused a split in the group regarding Google Street View to perform virtual surveys, such as taking notes of house numbers and plotting them in the maps. After reading http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#2a._Can_I_trace_data_from_Google_Maps.2FNokia_Maps.2F3F, I was pondering about the impossibility of copyright and licenses apply to facts and reality (not regarding philosophical aspects). Google Street View photos depict reality or facts, thus I could use them to observe reality and derive interpretations which would be genuine creative work. It would be illegal to use the images in Mapillary, for instance, but the facts depicted by the images are not property of Google. Your thoughts, please Paulo Carvalho ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
Hi, On 05.04.2014 17:50, Paulo Carvalho wrote: Google Street View photos depict reality or facts, thus I could use them to observe reality and derive interpretations which would be genuine creative work. It would be illegal to use the images in Mapillary, for instance, but the facts depicted by the images are not property of Google. Your thoughts, please The general opinion on this list has been, for cases where there wasn't a clear-cut license that answers these questions: We'll use the data if the copyright owner says we can use it. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Paulo Carvalho paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com wrote: Dear fellow mappers, Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from the Brazil community and a question rose there which caused a split in the group regarding Google Street View to perform virtual surveys, such as taking notes of house numbers and plotting them in the maps. After reading http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#2a._Can_I_trace_data_from_Google_Maps.2FNokia_Maps.2F3F, I was pondering about the impossibility of copyright and licenses apply to facts and reality (not regarding philosophical aspects). Google Street View photos depict reality or facts, thus I could use them to observe reality and derive interpretations which would be genuine creative work. It would be illegal to use the images in Mapillary, for instance, but the facts depicted by the images are not property of Google. Your thoughts, please You may find more discussion of this topic on this OSM help page: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/710/can-i-use-google-streetview-to-help-create-maps Also, somebody has asked Google regarding Street View. Here is Ed Parsons' answer: Checking the odd street names is OK. But every street name I would suggest would represent a bulk feed. And bulk feed refers to the Terms of Service: 2(e) [You may not] use the Products in a manner that gives you or any other person access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of any Content, including but not limited to numerical latitude or longitude coordinates, imagery, and visible map data Hope that helps. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
The general opinion on this list has been, for cases where there wasn't a clear-cut license that answers these questions: We'll use the data if the copyright owner says we can use it. Bye Frederik I recon that the images are copyrighted, not the objects depicted by them. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
Hi, You may find more discussion of this topic on this OSM help page: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/710/can-i-use-google-streetview-to-help-create-maps I see many people agree that we can use the images to access reality. This does not mean we're using the images themselves, which is copyrighted work. Also, somebody has asked Google regarding Street View. Here is Ed Parsons' answer: Checking the odd street names is OK. But every street name I would suggest * would represent a bulk feed.* With all due respect, this is plain wrong. Anyone who dealt with databases know that a bulk load is an automated insertion of copious ammount of data. Browsing photos to manually write down signs and house numbers is far from bulk load. And bulk feed refers to the Terms of Service: 2(e) [You may not] use the Products in a manner that gives you or any other * person access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of any Content, including but ** not limited to numerical latitude or longitude coordinates, imagery, and ** visible map data * Hope that helps. It says imagery. I'm not telling to download and use the images elsewhere. Reading a sign in SV photos and taking a note is different from copying them. I'm still not convinced. thanks, Paulo ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
FWIW, I agree with you that it should not be a case of copyright infringement to obtain uncopyrightable facts from copyroghted sources. Here's a blog post that even argues that it is OK to trace from Google's satellite imagery: http://www.systemed.net/blog/legacy/100.html But OSM does not operate this way. We aim to be whiter than white, and not dabble in legal shades of gray. Even if *you* think that it is legally OK to copy from someone, you shouldn't do it unless you have *permission* to do so, or if a court decision says *exactly* that it is OK to copy stuff for OSM. On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Paulo Carvalho paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You may find more discussion of this topic on this OSM help page: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/710/can-i-use-google-streetview-to-help-create-maps I see many people agree that we can use the images to access reality. This does not mean we're using the images themselves, which is copyrighted work. Also, somebody has asked Google regarding Street View. Here is Ed Parsons' answer: Checking the odd street names is OK. But every street name I would suggest * would represent a bulk feed.* With all due respect, this is plain wrong. Anyone who dealt with databases know that a bulk load is an automated insertion of copious ammount of data. Browsing photos to manually write down signs and house numbers is far from bulk load. And bulk feed refers to the Terms of Service: 2(e) [You may not] use the Products in a manner that gives you or any other * person access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of any Content, including but ** not limited to numerical latitude or longitude coordinates, imagery, and ** visible map data * Hope that helps. It says imagery. I'm not telling to download and use the images elsewhere. Reading a sign in SV photos and taking a note is different from copying them. I'm still not convinced. thanks, Paulo ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
On 6 April 2014 00:04, Paulo Carvalho paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com wrote: https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/710/can-i-use-google-streetview-to-help-create-maps I see many people agree that we can use the images to access reality. This does not mean we're using the images themselves, which is copyrighted work. We'd be using the images even if we were not copying them, these are different things. Also, somebody has asked Google regarding Street View. Here is Ed Parsons' answer: Checking the odd street names is OK. But every street name I would suggest would represent a bulk feed. With all due respect, this is plain wrong. Anyone who dealt with databases know that a bulk load is... This is a Google service and it's up to them to define what bulk load is and isn't when they present you the agreement. You can only accept it or reject it as a whole except in very rare situations. And bulk feed refers to the Terms of Service: 2(e) [You may not] use the Products in a manner that gives you or any other person access to mass downloads or bulk feeds of any Content, including but not limited to numerical latitude or longitude coordinates, imagery, and visible map data Hope that helps. It says imagery. I'm not telling to download and use the images elsewhere. Reading a sign in SV photos and taking a note is different from copying them. Again I think the main point is the agreement doesn't say copy, it says use. Cheers ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey
From: Paulo Carvalho [mailto:paulo.r.m.carva...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 8:51 AM To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Using Google Street View to perform virtual survey Dear fellow mappers, Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from the Brazil community and a question rose there which caused a split in the group regarding Google Street View to perform virtual surveys, such as taking notes of house numbers and plotting them in the maps. [...] Your thoughts, please The Google TOS restrictions on use[1] prohibit [using] the Products to create a database of places or other local listings information. My recollection is that previous versions of their terms contained similar provisions, but were not as clear. Using Street View as you describe would definitely be a violation of Google's TOS. When it happens the Data Working Group redacts the data to remove it from the OpenStreetMap database. [1]: https://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/help/terms_maps.html ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
