Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
Thanks again. I'm not sure if Gnome was there originally or snuck in during the SP1 upgrade, but I'm glad its gone. If I knew the characteristics of a Gnome-style screen I would have had a clue! However, supportconfig appears to be a good diagnostic tool in cases like these. Those are good points about the unneeded drivers. If they are small it might not be worth the effort to rebundle and test everything. But if there are lots of them, you get the nickel-and-dime effect. Ray Mrohs -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:14 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays On 8/6/2008 at 3:04 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] V, Mrohs, Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have 2 SLES10 SP1 servers. When I start yast2 on the first linux, the xterm screen shows a long scrolling list of selections, and its slow. On the second linux, the Control Center display is compact and all on one screen, and its faster. Where should I look for the cause of the differences? This turned out to be a difference in what RPMs were installed. The long scrolling list was from yast2-control-center-gnome package, but there were also 40+ other GNOME RPMs installed. Some applications (Oracle applications among them) require some GNOME components to be installed, but that wasn't the case here. Removing the GNOME RPMs sped things up, and saved some disk space. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Kinda OT: Something to reflect...
All right, so we're penguinheads instead of parrotheads. That being said, my wife showed me: http://www.fingerhut.com/ProductGroup.aspx?offergroupxid=64378 -soup -- John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines souperb at gmail dot com Why OS X? Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Kinda OT: Something to reflect...
John Campbell wrote: All right, so we're penguinheads instead of parrotheads. That being said, my wife showed me: http://www.fingerhut.com/ProductGroup.aspx?offergroupxid=64378 A few years ago, there was an oil spill in the Bass Strait. Lots of penguins got well oiled, and Australians all around leapt into action. The concern was that they'd get cold, so people were knitting them woolly jumpers (guernseys to the Poms, probably the Americans have another word). The ABC (abc.net.au, not the American broadcaster)) published patterns and held knit-ins. The penguins would be fairy penguins, a big one would reach as far as my shin. The same, I think, as the one Linus met. I'e waited years for an opportunity to mention it here, it seems to me to go well with mentions of things like penguin food and penguin knickknacks. Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Kinda OT: Something to reflect...
That word would be sweater, which I do when I put one on g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:16 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Something to reflect... John Campbell wrote: All right, so we're penguinheads instead of parrotheads. That being said, my wife showed me: http://www.fingerhut.com/ProductGroup.aspx?offergroupxid=64378 A few years ago, there was an oil spill in the Bass Strait. Lots of penguins got well oiled, and Australians all around leapt into action. The concern was that they'd get cold, so people were knitting them woolly jumpers (guernseys to the Poms, probably the Americans have another word). The ABC (abc.net.au, not the American broadcaster)) published patterns and held knit-ins. The penguins would be fairy penguins, a big one would reach as far as my shin. The same, I think, as the one Linus met. I'e waited years for an opportunity to mention it here, it seems to me to go well with mentions of things like penguin food and penguin knickknacks. Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Kinda OT: Something to reflect...
The penguins would be fairy penguins, a big one would reach as far as my shin. The same, I think, as the one Linus met. Yes - I've met the same raft of penguins at that zoo. They are fairy penguins and tiny. I think Linus rather over-dramatises being bitten ;) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Draft redbook: z/VM and Linux on IBM System z: The Virtualization Cookbook for RHEL 5.2
I'm pleased to announce that a draft of the RHEL 5.2 cookbook is now available at: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpieces/abstracts/sg247492.html Some highlighted changes from the RHEL 5.0 book: - z/VM updated from v5.2 to 5.4 - Moved away from dual boot approach, in favor of separate master image - LVM now used for system OS partitions - Completely rewritten clone script, with support for LVM Special thanks to Mike MacIsaac and Lydia Parziale, as well as Roy Costa and Marian Gasparovic for all of their hard work on these cookbooks. Comments welcome. -- Brad Hinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sr. Support Engineer Lead, System z Red Hat, Inc. (919) 754-4198 www.redhat.com/z -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Kinda OT: Something to reflect...
Alan Cox wrote: The penguins would be fairy penguins, a big one would reach as far as my shin. The same, I think, as the one Linus met. Yes - I've met the same raft of penguins at that zoo. They are fairy penguins and tiny. I think Linus rather over-dramatises being bitten ;) In the 50s, when I was learning to swim at Flinders Bay, I saw my first one: someone had found one alone, and caught it. I've been fishing there many times since, and never seen another. However, there's a colony of them off Perth, at Penguin Is. I think they're to be found in the wild around the south coast of Australia, and quite likely South Africa and South America. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Differece in RED Hat and Suse
To answer the original post -- I'd say anyone used to being a Linux SA under RH will make the transition to SuSE without a problem. There are differences in where things are kept - there are differences in package managers (although I've seen a few posts hinting 'yum' can be used on SuSE) - there are differences in how fast each distro makes particular things available. SUSE tends to be more 'bleeding edge' and RH tends to be more 'stable' (please - no flame wars on that - it's just my impression that RH is very focused on stability - more so than SUSE). But since the underlying guts are Linux -- I don't see why someone familiar with one distro wouldn't be able to pick up another fairly quickly. As far as the tangents on YaST -- if all you know is the GUI and don't know the underlying commands - then you'll probably get hung up on any switch in distros.. The most flexible SA's will know what's happening underneath the covers and be able to transition to whatever front end is put in place. IMHO. Scott Rohling On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 6:32 PM, John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad Hinson wrote: John Summerfield wrote: Mark Post wrote: like YaST, and wish Red Hat had a similar one place to go to for administration functions. I've been arguing that one for years, before I'd even encountered YAST. Brad? I reckon that some of the RH admin tools are there just so RH can mark checkboxes, Got that. (treading carefully as to not spark YaST a holy war..) Red Hat evaluated YaST long ago when it was proprietary, but by the time it was open sourced, we had written Anaconda and decided to fully focus on it. Since then, we've considered some all-in-one tools like system-config-control: http://www.indianoss.org/modules/wfdownloads/viewcat.php?cid=10 which is a front-end to the system-config-* GUIs, but this hasn't made it to RHEL. I haven't used YaST much recently, but it seems like a good tool. But we don't want to just add a YaST clone to RHEL (YaYaST?) :) Instead, we're focusing on our current system-config tools, like system-config-network for example, which got a huge z/Linux update for RHEL 5.2. It's not YAST that's important, it's the idea. Yast is much more than an installer, and it's specially nice that if one tries to configure (say) a web server and the needed software's not installed, it offers to install it. Mandrake 7 or so had a similar idea, there was a KDE folder-like object containing the configuration tools gnome-control-center, control-centre implement the same idea for GNOME and KDE respectively, Apple's System Preferences, Windows' Control Panel all provide a centralised set of configuration tools. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.htmlhttp://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
Hmmm.. getting rid of YaST :-) I confess I'm not a big YaST fan so it doesn't seem a great loss.. (please don't flog me - people rarely agree with me on this) Congrats on getting rid of alsa!! I don't want the s390x distro to depart so much from other platforms that it becomes a financial (labor) burden -- but it's hard not to chuckle when you see sound, usb, wireless, etc drivers being pulled in on a z. I've never explored how the hardware driver world worked within Linux, but an 'exclude' list based on hardware platform would be nice. (390x: sound=no wireless=no, etc) It's probably much more complicated than that - ignorance really is bliss... Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's impossible to get rid of some of these things too. Sound drivers, wireless, usb, pci utils, other things pre-req these type of things and in the deleting them you get to a point that yast itself would have to go too. Although I did manage to get rid of alsa! Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays Hmm.. a sound card on a z .. I've often grumbled that the s390x distros need to exclude drivers for devices that don't even exist on a z .. (or maybe we can direct it to the HMC PC to entertain the ops folks? ;-) Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Differece in RED Hat and Suse
On 8/27/2008 at 11:02 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SUSE tends to be more 'bleeding edge' and RH tends to be more 'stable' (please - no flame wars on that - it's just my impression that RH is very focused on stability - more so than SUSE). Having seen what goes on from the inside for the last 18 months, I can confidently say that you're incorrect about that. After all, it was SUSE that invented the concept of an enterprise Linux distribution. Novell/SUSE isn't so crazy as to commit to supporting things for seven years, and then not be extremely concerned about product stability. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Differece in RED Hat and Suse
I have to say I'm very impressed that SuSE can backport so many of those new features that Linux dev is pumping out into the service stream without requiring us to get to new versions, releases. We have to go through so many hours of certifications and checkouts and other vendor concurrence to get new releases in that we're just now getting to SLES 10 on the eve of 11, +2 years past GA. But getting to SLES9 SP4 has not been traumatic at all - with zero impact to users.And the very long support life will certainly help us - the large enterprise customers who have hundreds to upgrade.. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:36 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Differece in RED Hat and Suse On 8/27/2008 at 11:02 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Rohling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SUSE tends to be more 'bleeding edge' and RH tends to be more 'stable' (please - no flame wars on that - it's just my impression that RH is very focused on stability - more so than SUSE). Having seen what goes on from the inside for the last 18 months, I can confidently say that you're incorrect about that. After all, it was SUSE that invented the concept of an enterprise Linux distribution. Novell/SUSE isn't so crazy as to commit to supporting things for seven years, and then not be extremely concerned about product stability. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
Scott Rohling wrote: Hmmm.. getting rid of YaST :-) I confess I'm not a big YaST fan so it doesn't seem a great loss.. (please don't flog me - people rarely agree with me on this) Congrats on getting rid of alsa!! I don't want the s390x distro to depart so much from other platforms that it becomes a financial (labor) burden -- but it's hard not to chuckle when you see sound, usb, wireless, etc drivers being pulled in on a z. I've never explored how the hardware driver world worked within Linux, but an 'exclude' list based on hardware platform would be nice. (390x: sound=no wireless=no, etc) It's probably much more complicated than that - ignorance really is bliss... I'm surprised a kernel configuration allows one to select USB, sound, wireless etc. I've just been inspecting Kconfig files in a Fedora kernel, and it _looks_ like USB should not be configurable. Scott Rohling On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Marcy Cortes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's impossible to get rid of some of these things too. Sound drivers, wireless, usb, pci utils, other things pre-req these type of things and in the deleting them you get to a point that yast itself would have to go too. Although I did manage to get rid of alsa! Maybe the dependency appreciation needs improvement. RPM support %ifarch to allow architecture-dependent selection and configuration. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
