Re: Linux preferences
Hello! I agree! I use Slackware for internal use only, even though it is becoming to be nearly an acceptable distribution. There are a few hosting entities for example who support it, and probably wouldn't mind if I arranged for my favorites to be roosting there. That being said, go with what works. If you're using say SLES for one thing in its Intel shape, then use it for System Z. If you do get RH to work for your Oracle project then it goes for Intel. But currently I'm only back of the benches for this round.. --- Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@att.net This signature is not the same one. Move along! Move along! -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick Spinler Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:24 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Linux preferences On 12/21/10 8:45 AM, Melancon, Ruddy wrote: I am getting started in the use of zVM and zLinux. I have purchased a license for SLES and have also installed Red Hat under test for an Oracle database. Everything I have installed is currently under test. We are looking at revamping what we have. I would like to pose a few questions. There is the prospect of Novell being purchased by Attachmate. I understand that in the past SLES has been more responsive to the x390 platform. If you were just starting out, would you use Red Hat instead of SLES?? Are there other more pressing reasons to choose one over the other?? The Oracle DBA indicates that Oracle is easier to implement under Red Hat. How hard would it be to manage both distributions?? In general, I'd recommend first to keep a common distro base. If, for example, you get headless installs using autoyast, it'd be a pain in the rear to do it all over again in kickstart/anaconda, and keep them both up to date over time. As far as a preferred distro for Z, SLES has historically been a little ahead of the curve in terms of features and support, and still has a larger install base. However, these days, redhat's more or less caught up, and is not a bad choice. So, first I recommend keep all your linux installs the same distro, even across platforms. Second, go with what works. -- Pat -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Junk e-mail delivered to list
Hello! Just checked my folders for such things that can end up on the so-called spam folder, from our list. I managed to find one from someone who claims to have those professional lists of names. It was indeed sent to our list. I won't go into the details concerning how to get onto this list, but surely there must be a means to prevent such methods and senders? --- Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@att.net This signature is not the same one. Move along! Move along! -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: Fall 2009 NEUVM.org meeting tomorrow 09.25.2009 Reminder
Hello! I confess the e-mail records from that time may be lost, but, ah... I spell my first name as it's indicated on the signature there, Harry. Besides I didn't join the list until it was officially announced, that is when the first announcements of the Marist distribution were announced. But I do recall some of the original discussions took place on the original VM list from UARK complete with some decidedly interesting discussions. -- Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@worldnet.att.net The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of A. Harry Williams Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 6:00 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Fall 2009 NEUVM.org meeting tomorrow 09.25.2009 Reminder On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:50:48 -0400 Smith, Ann (ISD, IT) said: Must be Rick Troth . I thought of Jeff Savitt or Arty Ecock as well. Are all email posts from the same person? It's actually 3 different people. The first is Rick, the second Terrence Zellers and the third Greg Levine. By the way, in June 1998 the VM workshop took place at Marist. That sounds about right. The last one under that name. The library was an almost hole in the ground. We now have a hole in the ground just north of it for a new technology building. I think I have a T shirt that says so. So discussions of linux under VM did take place at Marist in 1998. /ahw -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of A. Harry Williams Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:28 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Fall 2009 NEUVM.org meeting tomorrow 09.25.2009 Reminder On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:45:33 -0400 David Boyes said: Yeah, it had outgrown the use of NAMES files by then. 8-) Alan has it exactly right, though -- a lot of things unhappened in that few weeks. I remember a few meetings where most of the attendees were officially somewhere else. -- db On 9/28/09 10:35 AM, Romanowski, John (OFT) john.romanow...@cio.ny.gov wrote: This historical discussion prompted me to look online at http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-VM, where I see the earliest monthly logs of this list, LINUX-390, start in Dec 1998 as a list named LINUX-VM which Marist apparently hosted specifically for the Bigfoot participants' use. I missed this note last week. I don't claim anything for Marist other than being in the right place at the right time and knowing the right people involved. When I talk history, I reference bigfoot, but I also reference others that I believe helped spawn the current system. The oldest mention I have found for the concept of running Linux on VM on what is now the System z Architecure happened on August 25, 1994. It was wishful thinking then, but pushed the idea as something we should do. In fact, here's part of the text ... above all, keep a good attitude about it. Don't forget those things which you loved about VM way back when it was the renegade instead of a legacy or a dinosaur. Those traits still make for the best operating systems, an UNIX afficionados see some of them in UNIX (but, unfortunately for them, they are blind or ignorant to the balance which lies in VM/CMS). You've got to woo them, not alienate them. If only someone could port Linux to s/390 we could show them UNIX on top of VM. (AIX and/or UTS work fine, but they're ex$pen$ive) It was an email with no subject. Any ideas who wrote those prophetic words? On Feb 28, 1998 an email calling for Linux-VM developers appeared with a subject of Another way to save VM. I'm proposing putting a real unix environment on VM (not to knock OpenVM - its a near miraculous achievement, but without fork and its reliance on EBCDIC and 3270 terminals in an ASCII and world, its still a kludge - yes, many *ix apps can [with considerable effort] be ported to it; how many *ix apps have been developed on it -- and gone out in the world ok it a new thing)). And VM would bring to the unix world the ability to manage terabyte DASD farms, multiple instantiation of of the os [you can test entire network configurations in one box! ; you can test a new kernel in one VM while your production environment slaves away in *safe* ignorant bliss; a safe learning environment(each sysadmin wannabe in your CS390 class gets a linux he can trash 'til his heart's content, and still has no excuse not to get his history paper in), and assuming the appropriate drivers are written all the needed access (by internal communication, not execution) to the old (still running) VM and old and new OS/390 apps. And this final one pains me, but the first public email I can find that has the words Linux on VM in the subject was on December 12, 1998 and reads Since my mob, just provides
Re: PHP to DB2 connection
Hello! Mark Post is probably the best fellow here to properly answer that one, but here goes: When you installed your Linux instance, how many CDs or DVDs were involved in the process? Typically the source code rides on the very last one, and installation notes normally tell the user (or programmer or systems administrator) not to install that one. I believe however that the source RPM files are available for download from an FTP site, or via the company website, but I could definitely be wrong with these assertions. -- Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@worldnet.att.net The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Jones, Russell Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:56 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] PHP to DB2 connection How do I get the Novell RPM source? Web site? Installation CD? I'm not sure I'll know it when I see it. Russell Jones ANPAC System Programmer Trainee rjo...@anpac.com -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:03 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: PHP to DB2 connection On 8/26/2009 at 5:00 PM, Jones, Russell russell.jo...@anpac.com wrote: -snip- I am not sure where to start creating my own rpm. Is there somewhere I could download a prepackaged php rmp with DB2 support for ZLinux? How about using the source RPM from Novell, and modifying the php5.spec file to add what you want? After tjat. rpmbuild would be the next step. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild)
Hello! I can confirm your posting (or musings) regarding the word foo. It was indeed the license plate indicator for that illustrious gentleman. I remember seeing the comic strip someplace and the plate struck me as amusing. I believe the words Fubar and foobar surfaced during the Un*x epoch, they were certainly popular during the BSD time period. There's a reference of sorts in the book that Cliff Stoll wrote on his efforts to track down a nest of crackers during the middle eighties. As for the rest of it, I suspect Google might know but I'm not going to be accepting bets on it. I see no real reason why someone at ITSO would get his proboscis out of joint concerning the meaning of words such as these. -- Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@worldnet.att.net The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:46 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] OT (was Re: RHEL 5.4 Beta is out in the wild) Actually, foo is unrelated to fubar. Foo was the licence plate on Smokey Stover's two wheeled car in the comic strips, dating back to the 1920's or 1930's. Fubar and foobar came into use later, as far as I can tell, but it's hard to trace things like that. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 7/2/09 8:20 AM, Michael MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com wrote: Rob, Maybe you could get a position at the ITSO as an editor and flag the phrase kill a daemon I recently got a variable named foo edited out by an ITSO editor. Because everyone knows that foo is a variant of fubar which is an acronym with a *bad word* in it - foo might offend a reader. The compromise was to name the variable goo. The next step may be to disallow all variables starting with f, and who knows, maybe s too, for good measure :)) Mike MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com (845) 433-7061 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PuTTY replacement KiTTY
Hello! I agree. I normally use PuTTY for communicating with my Linux systems, and sometimes an individual running Solaris. It also runs very well from a thumb drive connected to a client's machine and that connection looping back here. Of course there are issues with systems who wear a regular SSH client as part of their normally installed collection. -- Gregg C Levine hansolofal...@worldnet.att.net The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Henry E Schaffer Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:24 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] PuTTY replacement KiTTY David Andrews writes: On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 10:37 -0400, Lionel B Dyck wrote: PuTTY fork called KiTTY that was just recently updated. It has all the PuTTY features (since it is a fork from it) and more: ... plus a nasty limitation. From their website: KiTTY is only designed for Microsoft Windows I've only used PuTTY on MS Windows. There's no need for it on my Mac, Solaris and Linux boxes. I.e., I don't think of that as being a limitation. -- --henry schaffer -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Slackware S/390 status
Hello! I don't believe so. Unless Mark didn't bother to do so, but according to the main distribution site, he did (I checked Mark.) there is a 2.6.10 kernel present in the testing directory of -current. That as I recall was the appropriate 2.6 series kernel at the time 10.1 for Intel came out. And ideally it would not be too hard to update to, say, the 2.6.18 one from source code. But that's what I do for Intel so I'll let it go at that, IMHO. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrej Ricnik-Bay Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:59 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Slackware S/390 status 2008/11/19 Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In that case, just download the -current version. It's the equivalent of 10.1, and while it's only 31-bit, it should run well on your hardware. Just as you can run x86 Linux systems on x86-64 hardware, so you can run s390 Linux on s390x hardware. True that. But that would be a bit like comparing oranges and apples? :) I mean 10.1 still has a 2.4 kernel as opposed to the 2.6 in RH Mark Post Cheers, Andrej -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Connect to DB2 with PHP
Hello! Russ, typically Slack contains a command to translate those RPM files into TGZ ones. Look for the rpm2tgz command, and follow its instructions. As for your question regarding PHP and DB2, on that issue I'm not sure. I do know that PHP does support the MySQL database product. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jones, Russell Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:24 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Connect to DB2 with PHP All of the documentation that I have found indicates that the DB2 Application Development Client needs to be installed before php can be built with Db2 support. I am struggling to get the development client installed because it is in rpm format and my Slack system does not use rpm's. Can anyone verify if the DB2 Application Development Client is the only way to achieve a php to DB2 connection? Is it required to use the DBI support mentioned below? Thanks, Russell Jones ANPAC -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:36 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Connect to DB2 with PHP Yes. Use the DBI support for PHP; that makes your code generic to arbitrary databases. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Jones, Russell Sent: Thu 10/23/2008 3:15 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Connect to DB2 with PHP Does anyone have any experience using php on linux to access DB2 on MVS? Can it be done? Thanks in advance, Russell Jones ANPAC System Programmer -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Linux Journal Ad for SHARE
Hello! Does anyone else besides myself, and John McKown, read Linux Journal magazine for fun, and of course for work? There's an advertisement in it for the SHARE outfit, which I know that a good portion of the people here are members. (On my todo list someplace.) This confirms some thoughts that surfaced when the original port was created, namely how long before the mainstream magazines for Linux start carrying such advertisements. Especially since that's the first one I've seen there. It's for the March one in Austin TX. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays
Hello! I agree! It seems an interesting dilemma as to why these items are being included. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:47 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Two Different YaST2 Control Center displays Hmm.. a sound card on a z .. I've often grumbled that the s390x distros need to exclude drivers for devices that don't even exist on a z .. (or maybe we can direct it to the HMC PC to entertain the ops folks? ;-) Scott Rohling -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: 3270 console confusion
Hello! I know, Ivan, that Mark will figure things out, but for my work can you post the exact methods behind collecting everything from CVS? I'm actually used to seeing the exact retrieval methods as described on the Source Forge project pages. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivan Warren Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:42 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] 3270 console confusion Mark Post wrote: Since I can't get the CVS version of hercules to build, I cannot verify that. Uh ? What's wrong with it ? (if you don't mind telling me of course !) --Ivan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Root filesystem
Hello! One could also ask why Slackware defaults to using one of the journal enabled file-systems as well. Although after reading user complaints regarding the problems with maintaining just such a file-system, then I will definitely agree with everyone about that decision. In fact for those of us who run that particular distribution, but certainly not for business, there's a document enclosed within the boot directory regarding why an initial root device blob needs to be created when using a journal enabled one. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:32 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Root filesystem dave wrote: Hi, Ryan. Funny you should ask...this topic has just been discussed on this list:-) It's not a good idea to put your / file system on an LVM; if you ever have any problems with the LVM itself (e.g., a lost pv, say), then the Linux system can't be booted.. In other words, don't do this Oh. Why does Red Hat default to using LVM? If LVM is so unreliable that it's risky to use it for one's root filesystem (which, in principle can easily be recovered if needs be), then how much more risky is it to use LVM for one's most valuables? chortle -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Ruby on Rails
Hello! Let us not forget BASIC. It was the first language I learned, next to assembler. It also happens that you can write a bad program very quickly in BASIC that will do something, and it happens the code rivals APL for being nearly unreadable. At least I document what I write in both. Pascal is still a close favorite. I will leave out casting aspersions at Cobol because there's still a need for a language that's older then most of us. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:17 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Ruby on Rails Stahr, Lea wrote: Generally, most executions are highly repetitive, making the execution time the determining factor. The less CPU time the better. Ad hoc runs are more concerned with coding time, and the development times are high value. I have seen so much really bad Java lately that eats wall clock time! I saw the exactly that criticism levelled at Natural in the 80s. A little measurement and calculation showed the application was hitting the database, stored on a single 3350, hitting the drive as fast as the drive could be. The problem wasn't Natural (or Adabas), but the application design. Presumably one can write bad Java as easily as bad Natural, bad COBOL or bad PL/1. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Using VI via Telnet to Linux on z ???
Hello! For my part, I prefer the VIM variant of the classic VI editor. However since Slackware on Intel does have emacs I've used that. Also the edit function of the MC thingie. Just how peculiar can the termcap entries on Linux be? -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:51 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Using VI via Telnet to Linux on z ??? Or, when you're really stuck, use ed(1). Or is that for when you *want* to be really stuck? It's your foot, and your gun. Pull trigger when ready. Aiming optional. 8-) One of my favorite console sessions (redacted to protect the guilty): telnet cm2cntrl.xx.edu Connected on port 23 to cm2cntrl.xx.edu Esc character is ^] CM2 node XX; CM-Paris xx.yyy Release 1.0 Warning: Safeties are: OFF; target acquisition: nominal. . . . (I love massively parallel hardware. 8-)). -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux under Z/Series
Hello! Well I would have, except I happen to know, but not well, that my distribution isn't on the IBM supported list. Granted Mark Post has done a splendid job of creating the port, and I believe David Boyes and his group now make it available via a physical means, but that's all an opinion, it may not be fact. The second part that is. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:11 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Linux under Z/Series Stephen Frazier wrote: Clearly you want to install the Debian distribution because it is the best. :) Ducking quickly. ;) Others may try to tell you to use another distribution. Its a mater of opinion, but mine is right. i'm surprised nobody's recommended Slackware. Its price is attractive. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: How can I get an assembler definition of a structure?
Hello! Just for the record, where is the most recent binary release of dwarf living? I've found the source code for the library and the tool, but they both refuse to build on my Slackware-11.0 (Intel) system. Google is as usual ignoring me. Basically what I am looking for is also the source code for building it for my Slackware-11.0 (Intel) system here. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:33 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] How can I get an assembler definition of a structure? On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:57:30 -0700 Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : On Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 1:56 PM, in message :[EMAIL PROTECTED], Binyamin Dissen :[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : I would like an assembler (or offset map) of task_struct. It is defined in : sched.h with quite a few subdefinitions. : :Since it's likely you're not going to be able to get this, just what are you trying to do? Why do you need those values? I am hoping to get libdwarf installed, so with luck that will give me the information. I am trying to figure out stuff in the kernel, and would rather do it without recompiling - by just looking at memory. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Philosophical: Linux vs. AIX
Hello! Allow me to stick in my two credits. AIX is fine. For simple server farms that run workloads that still haven't been brought over to Linux. Or even to Solaris. But for truly massive activities like banking, such as running an ATM service machine, Linux is perfect. Oh and thank you Marcy for suggesting the opening paragraph for this e-mail. I suspect that my bank does use Linux for doing something, but I'm not prepared to ask. Its bulletproof, it does do things that most of us haven't even thought of yet. Well include me in that group. I know from previous discussions from those of you I have met at trade shows and other events that the penguin does do things I would not have thought of previously. And as for AIX/390, I did meet the teem behind AIX/370, and did discuss a few things with them. I was pleasantly surprised by its removal from a list of products available for the family of machines that were the S/370 machines, and did not even ask when an AIX/390 wasn't suggested, or so it seemed. However what did prompt you, Adam, to even suggest that one of us should not ask? And of course John is right regarding the supplier collection. There are scads of them. I run Slackware here, on Intel. But in a pinch I wouldn't mind installing Debian, but only for a customer. Same goes for the lizard who works with Novell. (I couldn't resist Mark I've got two of them here watching me work.) Red Hat however is a special case. I would need to receive extreme hazard pay for that one. (That by the way is a reference to Ringworld. I leave it to all of you to guess where the phrase surfaces and who said it.) It must be Friday someplace. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:37 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Philosophical: Linux vs. AIX John wrote: One of the nice things about Linux is the choice of supplier. You can buy packages including support from RH and Novell, you can install Debian free of charge and get support where you like. Ask here, and someone will stick up his hand. And it has become so popular that should you run into things, chances are that someone else has too and Google will return your answer. We're not the only large bank running our ATMs through it either :) So, yes, mission critical is happening. Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:42 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Philosophical: Linux vs. AIX One of the nice things about Linux is the choice of supplier. You can buy packages including support from RH and Novell, you can install Debian free of charge and get support where you like. Ask here, and someone will stick up his hand. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Create PDFs
Hello! Right you are John. I even believe I've got the article from Byte Magazine describing it that way preserved someplace as a cutting. I even remember studying the way it worked on another machine that I supported. Now I just work with ideas for Postscript. Which happens to be a full language despite being a page description language. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:47 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Create PDFs -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:53 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Create PDFs I remember EEs at a prior company using Forth years ago. They used to extend the language set by adding their own instructions. Then they couldn't remember how their own instruction worked (these were EEs doing this stuff not software guys./me waits for the verbal abuse to come in), so rewrote it for other code later on. Seemed very powerful but didn't see much use (at least at that company). I'm not surprised it didn't really go anywhere. Not go anywhere? It was not designed as a general purpose language. IIRC, the creator created it to control telescopes. I think it has a larger audience in the embedded or process control world. I've used it, just for learning purposes, and found it very interesting. I even created a forth-like intepreter that ran on MVS TSO. Do a Google search on forth and you'll get a lot of hits. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux Laptops
Hello! They are indeed. However you need to ask for it properly. The drones that populate the 800# here do not get it that people do exist who aren't interested in anything created in a pouring rainstorm. I remember bumping into a Dell rep at one of the Linux World Expo events. We spent some time talking, and he was pleasantly pleased that I managed to get Slackware 8.0 to run without any problems on a Dell commodity platform. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfield Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:56 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Linux Laptops Tom Duerbusch wrote: It seems like Dell had a Linux Preload offer for a few months. I took it that Microsoft had a talk with them and the Linux preloads were taken off the market. It seems to me that was 2 years ago. I wonder what changed to allow Lenovo to consider doing this? I think Dell's doing it now. HP's been offering Ubuntu for a while. -- Cheers John -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux Laptops
Hello!
Interesting you should say that John. Very interesting indeed.
I have Slackware 11.0 running on a Dell Optiplex GX150. I, too, gave up on
RHEL because of the sound issues. Which is what I figured would happen.
However on the other ones who're here I haven't had any problems, those are
all ATI based as it happens. **Grin.**
Incidentally getting properly configuration of video on them is pretty
simple. It's the networking and other related issues that can (and do) cause
problems.
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The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi
-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Summerfield
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:09 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Linux Laptops
Rob van der Heij wrote:
On 8/6/07, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Today there are very few laptops on the market, the rest is
configuration and packaging. Its Intel mobile + MICH + intel video +
intel wireless (aka Centrino), Intel mobile + MICH + intel video +
other
wireless, AMD + ATI + broadcom and a few other combinations.
While my Shuttle SD11G5 does not sit in my lap, it uses the same gear:
Intel 915GM + ICH6M, Intel GMA900, Broadcom Gigabit (and probably more
quiet than my T43)
I had lots of trouble getting a Linux distribution installed that did
both audio and video. Most annoying problem was that GUI-based install
failed halfway (expect because video memory was used as page cache
too). I am now fairly happy with Centos 5 (though I cannot get
dual-head to work as I can with Windows on my T43).
Contrary to Alan, my experience with Intel video is mostly bad. A Dell
Optiplex GX270 I gave up on, video was unacceptable with Fedora Core 6,
SLE{S,D} 10 beta and RHEL5 beta.
Same/similar graphics is working with Scientific Linux 5 (RHEL-clone) pm
an IBM ThinkCentre, but there's a big pause when switching between
virtual consoles.
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Cheers
John
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Re: occasional martian source messages
Hello! I understand the idea behind asymmetrical routing, (Thank you Harold!), but for the folks who are rather new to the ideas behind how Linux does his routing, would one of you carefully reiterate the whole concept? Oh and while I am at it, Zach, would you explain what prompted your suggestion for the subject? -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zach Pratt Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:15 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] occasional martian source messages I've done some further reading on the topic of asymmetrical routing, and I'm wondering if I should set up two routing tables (one for each interface). Any suggestions? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: z/Linux or zLinux - which is preferred?
Hello! According to my information, it was something called BOCHS that Adam had built in an appropriate distribution running on one of their many systems. And then installed inside it an appropriate release of Windows. The returned speed, if you can call it that, was so slow it would take days to accomplish anything. There are as it happens success stories of people using that emulator to run anything X86 on anything else, but Adam did it for fun. And I would agree with Mark regarding that stuff. I routinely use it when I need to test an application that boots from floppy but probably not on any of my other machines. Oh and Mark, the good people at Slackware have finally released version 12.0 of their excellent distribution, and this contains a 2.6 series one as its standard one. (It seems the UMSDOS file system is gone for good.) -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:04 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] z/Linux or zLinux - which is preferred? But that was Windows running on z/Linux running VMWare, no? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: 25. heinäkuuta 2007 4:25 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: z/Linux or zLinux - which is preferred? On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 8:35 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lindy Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other words, if heck frosted over, then we would have z/Windows. Oh that's so funny. Too late. Adam Thornton did that almost five years ago. Allegedly, cough syrup was involved. http://linuxvm.org/Images/NT-on-390-desktop.png Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Fw: [LINUX-390] Let Novell Know if you want a easy CMS-friendly starter system!
Hello! John was this a 717 type device as described in, Granted, we had a 3270ish box on the 3274's coax network that would allow a regular ASCII terminal to be used instead of, say, a 3277.? And can you point to an appropriate location to see what a 7171 type device would look like. Your description struck a chord based on your reference to that MVS3.8 Turnkey disk. As it happens I lurk over on most of the lists there, I also manage a few, so your reference caught me, and I thought I would ask. (The list in question was discussing the right way to attach almost anything else to an emulated environment on Intel. It happens I triggered it, but that's all I'll say.) -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:15 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] Fw: [LINUX-390] Let Novell Know if you want a easy CMS- friendly starter system! I cannot help but think that this is a job for inverse TN3270. (Not sure what else to call it. Maybe reverse protocol conversion?) Making a Linux distro CMS-friendly is one thing, and is VERY useful. But making it 3270-friendly is closer to same as a PC, which is what some customers expect. The principle of least astonishment comes into play. Let me explain. Getting the *output* from 'yast' and other textual (but full-screen) tools to display on a 3270 is easy. It's the *input* from a 3270 which is more challenging, and that only because the text mode apps presume on byte-at-a-time keystroke interaction. But we who live in the 3270 world know full well that block-mode input is fully interactive. Actually, I can see how some of this _could_ almost be done... but it may take some creativity in using a non-tty interface/driver which would front-end the TTY driver (well, a wedge into it, at least). (laughs) Look, I've been around a bit. I'll admit that I'm underwhelmed by the local capabilities of a 3270-ish device (it's just a buffered display w/ little in the way of local intelligence... though you can make various chunks of the screen protected for forms). I have to admit the times I've written the bisync drivers for a 3270ish terminal enemalator that I liked the protocol, it was just the tube that I really didn't like. Heck, I even wrote a handshake for data transfer between hospital ancillary systems on the Unix end that basically, as I look on it now, acted like a robot. Granted, we had a 3270ish box on the 3274's coax network that would allow a regular ASCII terminal to be used instead of, say, a 3277. Heck, I played with a black box device that made the 327x terminal look like a vt220, too, so this kind of faking can't be all that hard. Been there, done that. I _did_ have fun, however, with Uniscopes-- the Sperry+UNIVAC buffered terminals which DID have a lot of local intelligence but had, to my eye, an annoyingly clunky bisync protocol (UCCP was _not_ fun and had a lot of features I didn't like to deal with... but it was that clunky handshake that caused me to write a full screen editor for the Uniscope and UTS-400 terminals just to cut down on the number of the poll/select handshakes to display a line for editing... and be ready for the next editing/entry. I'm wondering if there's a cute way to simulate this whole bizarre handshake inside the line discipline logic? In some ways you have to emulate the terminal internally and just push the buffer out to the display frequently enough to do the job... but, to my limited knowledge, the 3270 doesn't really pass keystrokes at all, but does want to enter into a field and transmission is implicit. (laughs) A virtual KD terminal with a text-mode frame buffer... (shakes head) 'tis a pity I ain't a mainframer. I *will* grant that some things may be harder to enemalate within such an environment... so, maybe, vi will be out... or, maybe, not. I'm still hoping for a turnkey Linux CD, kind of like the turnkey MVS 3.8 CD I've played with, which might make it easier for me to understand how it all fits together. I've put Linux on pSeries, Sparcstations along with PCs, thinkpads and PCs... but the big 'ol mainframe *still* throws me a curve... even though I played with the architecture back in the days of the V5 USF being mapped to it without Guest VLANs (you know... using CTCs and IUCVs) but could never get my own hands dirty. -soup John R. Campbell, Speaker to Machines (GNUrd), Stand-Up Philosopher Phone: (813) 356-5322 (t/l 697) Adsumo ergo raptus sum MacOS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows. Red Hat Certified Engineer (#803004680310286) IBM Certified: IBM AIX 4.3 System Administration, System Support
Re: Wiki
Hello! Left the tigers to me Robert? I've got a few penguins here, including one Linux system. (It must be Friday someplace!) Okay, one more just for laughs, and then its back to business as usual. The other two are General Kenobi and Master Yoda. We now return to our regularly scheduled discussions, with a few arguments thrown in. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:02 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Wiki I can't throw too many stones... Since there are well over 65 penguins sitting in my office. -- .~.Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation /V\RO-OE-5-55200 First Street SW /( )\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 ^^-^^ - In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 5/16/07 8:53 PM, Gregg Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/16/07, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good thing the bells are there...lest an observer think the rama llama ding dong is sitting in front of the keyboard. Well for those of us who keep strange company, I have here two Siberian tiger cubs named Igor and Ivan. They are sitting on the printer and are bored. And as you'd all expect from my company name I have here four representatives from that galaxy. Two are the 'droids, I will leave it as an exercise for the group who the others are. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007.
Hello! They do not. I suspect it goes against their mentality. I once facetiously suggested to a representative of theirs that they should simply give away the OEM versions to licensed or appropriately and duly recognized individuals, and simply make arrangements that licenses and their associated cost be passed on to the buy of the hardware. However it got laughed out of the forum because he, (or was it she?) refused to believe that I was indeed serious and using that form of phrasing. However heres where it gets screwy, my local LUG is reacting very strangely to this issue. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 6:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Humor? Microsoft declares: The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. On Tue, 15 May 2007 12:28:19 -0500 McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote The Free Software movement is dead. Linux doesn't exist in 2007. Even Linus has got a job today. Controversial statements from the head of Microsoft's Linux Labs, Bill Hilf. /quote A fine demonstration that Microsoft still don't understand even the basic concepts of Free Software. Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: vnc on RHEL4
Hello! Mark as always, you are indeed quite correct. Dennis, this comes from my experiences with VNC and an Intel based Slackware system: base port is in the 5900 area. First one gets 5901, and then each one is incremented by one from there. The web based screen that uses Java to do the same as regular VNC does, uses the 5800 area, 5801 and so on. (We won't go into how Linux assigns users and home directories.) To change things as you're interested in doing would require a major rewrite of the code behind it, and to be honest I am not even sure it would be possible. Now if I have made any mistakes in my assertions there, please feel free to offer corrections. Usual prizes are available for those of you who do find any need for them. However Dennis I'll gladly accept something hanging around your place of work as long as it's not too big to fit into the mails. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:54 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] vnc on RHEL4 On Wed, Mar 7, 2007 at 4:48 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] spaceops.com, Roach, Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an idea on how to get vnc to work under RHEL4? I would like for all of the users to be able to come in on 1 port and use their Linux ID and password. I can get it to use the ID and password, but not the same port. I'm pretty sure you're not going to be able to do that. Each person will have to use a different port. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Slightly OT: MP-3000 wanted, maybe
Hello! (Two in one. Please pardon me for doing that.) Alan: When you get around to it, can you please e-mail me the exact series of steps you took? Also any scripts used, and what it was done on, probably Linux, and of course version of Hercules. Oh and please do so off list. Jay: Yes your concerns with regards to Debian are indeed well founded. Most of them are mine as well. They want people to install everything. However on Slackware (Intel) they do not. They want people, myself, Mark, anyone, to install only what's needed. However since I do a heck of a lot of development work, I typically stuff everything in. However we are entitled to our differences. I will now return this thread to its original discussion. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:32 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Slightly OT: MP-3000 wanted, maybe I think Jay's concern with IA32/AMD-64 is that if someone does inject precompiled binaries, he doesn't want them to actually be able to run. There are folk who will argue that getting the right precompiled binaries is trivial. So run everything network facing in Hercules, and hercules chrooted to a nobody user in a chroot dir containing only the hercules environment and support files. Pass the handle of the tunnel device in as a file descriptor with a hack and off you go. Been there done that 8) Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Kernel Compilation Failure with gcc 3.4.6
Hello! Mark when did you update your repository? On a non local Slackware mirror, the one maintained down under on the Planet Mirror one, I found a newer kernel, this one is 2.4.33.3 try that one if you are interested in seeing if this bug has been fixed. I suspect that this is true for both platforms. Intel and S390 or S390x if you are leaning in the same direction as I surmise you are. Naturally the local one to us, the Ibiblio.org one might also be wearing the same one. But for reasons that will take way too long to go into, I prefer to use the one in Oz when ever it necessary. (And yes folks I mean that the mirror is based someplace in Australia.) On a side note, I don't suppose you know when 11.0 is going to be ready to be shipped? -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Post, Mark K Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 11:32 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] Kernel Compilation Failure with gcc 3.4.6 I'm trying to compile the 2.4.33.2 kernel with gcc 3.4.6, and I'm getting a compilation error (shown below). The same code compiles with gcc 3.3.4, so I went looking for a gcc bug. I think I found it at http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14756. The problem I have is that the patch shown for that bug report: - doesn't apply cleanly - if tweaked to apply, the updated cgraphunit.c module doesn't compile The kernel compile error is this: make[3]: Entering directory `/tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/drivers/s390/block' ld -m elf64_s390 -r -o dasd_mod.o dasd.o gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -fno-strength-reduce -nostdinc -iwithprefix include -DKBUILD_BASENAME=dasd_3990_erp -c -o dasd_3990_erp.o dasd_3990_erp.c In file included from dasd_3990_erp.c:15: /tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/include/asm/idals.h: In function `idal_buffer_to_user': /tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/include/asm/idals.h: 231: warning: use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated /tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/include/asm/idals.h: 231: warning: use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated /tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/include/asm/idals.h: In function `idal_buffer_from_user': /tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/include/asm/idals.h: 252: warning: use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated /tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/include/asm/idals.h: 252: warning: use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated dasd_3990_erp.c: In function `dasd_3990_erp_handle_match_erp': dasd_int.h:493: sorry, unimplemented: inlining failed in call to 'dasd_chanq_deq': function body not available dasd_3990_erp.c:2999: sorry, unimplemented: called from here make[3]: *** [dasd_3990_erp.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/drivers/s390/block' make[2]: *** [first_rule] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/drivers/s390/block' make[1]: *** [_subdir_block] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/kernel-default-2.4.33.2/usr/src/linux-2.4.33.2/drivers/s390' make: *** [_dir_drivers/s390] Error 2 Reducing the optimization level to -O0 didn't help. From my searches on Google, it appears that a lot of people have run into similar issues with lots of kernel modules. The only solution seems to have been removing the inline attribute. If I try to remove the inline attribute for the function, the problem just crops up in another function. Then another, and another. Not a good solution, it seems. It looks like the Intel version of Slackware 11.0 is going to ship with gcc 3.4.6 as the default compiler, so I'd prefer to stay with that version myself, if possible. Is there a better fix to gcc 3.4.6 (or the kernel?) that would resolve this problem? Thanks, Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux initial RAM disk (initrd) overview
Hello! I agree. Or perhaps the same sounds that a penguin would make? It would fit the image of what's really doing all the work there. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Stewart Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:45 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Linux initial RAM disk (initrd) overview And it should speak in a big deep strong voice, maybe like James Earl Jones. Reminiscent of Bill Cosby's Noah the Ark sketch... Lee McKown, John wrote: I'd be happy if it just responded Who's there?. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott Hum, I don't know, but have heard, that the latest SE laptops run Linux (or is that the HMC?). Perhaps they could be updated with the motion sensor and do the who's there?. Especially effective if you don't use the builtin speakers but hook them up to a 500W amp with 5.1 dolby and a subwoofer right under the front door of the z9. -- Lee Stewart, Senior SE Sirius Enterprise Systems Group Phone: (303) 798-2954 Fax: (720) 228-2321 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.siriuscom.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Brain dead question
Hello! On my Slackware Linux system (Current as of last month--it will become 11.0), I typically type in at a root prompt sg_map and note what that command returns. I'm not sure if it will work with Linux there. Are the tape drives considered to be SCSI attached? If so then that command should do the trick. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Heilman Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 3:31 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] Brain dead question Having problems with an old mind with limited storage. I had someone ask me a question right of the blue without any warning and my mind went on vacation or some place far away Question: Is there a command in Linux that will display the status of a device like the one in SCO, devaddr /dev/sg1? TIA Dave -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES/SLED10 RC Software Available
Hello! Because a lot of the people who build distributions for S/390 are also builders for the desktop world and other servers. Take a look at the Debian world. It contains items that have no place on a S/390 style system. It happens that the Slackware for the S/390 probably does not have a default desktop, but I have not had the chance to examine the package sets. But then again that's my opinion talking and not experience talking. Didn't this same argument surface when the issues of the TOD clock for big guy first surface? -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D Pace Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:45 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SLES/SLED10 RC Software Available Personally I find KDE much easier to use on any platform but it appears that GNOME has won more adherents. I don't like most of the GNOME experience and would Very Much Love it if Novell would dare to be different on this issue. As long as they give me the ability to excise it... I can live with it being the default but not be happy about it. Not at all happy. I agree about the KDE/GNOME argument But my point was WHY is there a default Desktop Environment at all for s390x. Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 Office: 850.219.5184 Fax: 888.221.9862 http://www.mainline.com James Melin [EMAIL PROTECTED] nepin.mn.us To Sent by: Linux on LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 390 Port cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Subject Re: SLES/SLED10 RC Software Available 06/30/2006 04:10 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU Personally I find KDE much easier to use on any platform but it appears that GNOME has won more adherents. I don't like most of the GNOME experience and would Very Much Love it if Novell would dare to be different on this issue. As long as they give me the ability to excise it... I can live with it being the default but not be happy about it. Not at all happy. Jon Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc 06/30/2006 02:55 PM Subject Re: SLES/SLED10 RC Software Available Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU I don't know, but I think it's the same in RHEL. I don't get it. Jon -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark D Pace Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:52 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: SLES/SLED10 RC Software Available Why is the GNOME Desktop Environment a default selection for s390x?!?! -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Does root password expire?
Hello! Betsie as far as I know, (for Intel Linux only.) it is not supposed to happen that way. User level ones do, but not the root user. I think Mark already explained why that can happen. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spann, Elizebeth (Betsie) Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:10 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] Does root password expire? Anyone know if root password expires? I have a couple of machines that I can't log into now. Betsie -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
OT: Digital signatures and our mail list
Hello! Without mentioning any names, is it possible for those of you who have created a unique digital signature to not use it when posting to our wonderful list? I don't mind the occasional HTML message on this list, but that's a story for a different message. However the reason behind my not wanting to digital signature to be used is that the methods used by the list server process to send out every signed message to each subscriber causes one of the layers to become invalid, it thus becomes difficult for Outlook to verify the signature credential to see if it is indeed an authentic one and indeed belongs to the person who signed it in the first place. Should anyone have a problem with this request please contact me off-list for a discussion further on this complex issue. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT: Digital signatures and our mail list
Hello! I believe that's what I saw as well. I can't remember the exact period as to when we did discuss this, but that's what came out of it. However I just saw one which had its signature intact. (It was also sent in HTML as well but that's for a different argument.) -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:05 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] OT: Digital signatures and our mail list On Monday, 06/05/2006 at 10:57 AST, Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without mentioning any names, is it possible for those of you who have created a unique digital signature to not use it when posting to our wonderful list? I think when this was last discussed, the conclusion was that the list server should be stripping the signature off. It should not forward signatures - it makes no sense to do so. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Looking for some 'alternatives'
Hello! That program Publish from MS? To tell the truth I have never worked with it. However I can tell the group from experience from watching others that its not as well thought out as they say it is. For Front Page on the other hand, I believe it is possible to configure one of its wizards to properly interpret how your FTP server speaks. To properly work however, there are FP extensions available for the popular HTTPD server that we know and use. However they are for Intel, and were last created for the FP98 product. I am not sure about the availability for the current releases. However for posting to an FTP service that would be exposing its locations to your HTTPD service, it may not be possible on the Operating Systems from IBM. Not for Linux however, just the regular ones from IBM. (Sorry Jim, Alan.) -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:53 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Looking for some 'alternatives' If I remember correctly, Publish requires the FP extensions. I know I could never get it to work from my home PC to my webpage provider, so I use WS_FTp to upload my webpages. Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:07 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Looking for some 'alternatives' Hey Gang. I am being 'blessed' with Microsfot Frontpage 2003 to use to do HTML stuff. (Officially Sanctioned tool here) I have to publish it to both a Linux instance and a z/OS image. The Linux instance will eventually live on an intel VM thing. Anyway The thing is, I can't get the blasted thing to publish via FTP to z/OS - it's trying to use the ftp:// web browser protocol instead of a real FTP session. if I tell it to try ftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/path it fails to detect the already created folder and then bitches about it cant find a server at '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. The fact that it is not seeing a folder that should be there tells me it never gets to the HFS and is not handling an internal error correctly. I have not yet tried to get it to talk to Linux but that looks like at the very least it's going to require Frontpage extensions or WebDav. Neither of which I think will fly. Way back in the day, I used FP 98 (again that's what was sanctioned, regardless of how lousy a product it is) back in the day, and that invoked a real FTP conversation irrespective of there being a web server involved. Is there any way to get FP 2003 to just DO what I want it to do? If not, is there an open source publishing solution I can run on Linux on intel? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -J -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Oracle 10.2?
Hello! Is it my imagination, or did Oracle support offer the wrong OS in their response? I believe Chris you asked about 10.2 of Oracle for Linux on Z, rather then what she stated. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Little, Chris Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:02 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Oracle 10.2? From Oracle support: Hi all. In case you are not aware, Oracle 10g 10.2.0.2 for z/OS has been released and has been made available from OTN as of 5/13/2006. I am not sure if it is already available to send a CD though. But anyway, you can download it from OTN or eDelivery. I know they had some issue with the doc so I am not sure it is already available for download. Cheers, Ana -Original Message- From: Tom Duerbusch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:54 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Oracle 10.2? We have Oracle 10.1.0.3.0 running on SLES9 64 bit. Our Oracle developers say that 10.2.0.2 for z/Linux is now available (as of 5/22/2006), and, of course, they want it. Well, nothing like being on the bleeding edge Is anyone else currently working on converting to this release? If so, what release are you converting from? Also, did you have to apply service to your Linux image? I'm trying to get a feel on how much time this will cause me. Is it something I can just slap on or do I need up start upgrading SUSE first (currently SLES9 64 bit with SP2). Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Who's been reading our list...
Hello! I agree with the gentleman in the offices overseas. And with you, David R. But let's address these issues logically. Legacy applications already have someplace to run. Unfortunately they already have small minded people to mind them, yes that individual. How many brand new applications are being created that will only run properly on a Z9 type box? An answer to that one will be enlightening. It is unfortunate that so called expert persists in making a fool of himself every time he opens his mouth. However given the fact that particular publication needs idiots like him means that the experts who I know IBM has either working for them, or working for the companies on this list, you know who you are, it means that the days are numbered for that publication. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carsten Otte Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:50 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Who's been reading our list... Thomas David Rivers wrote: 1 - A mainframe CPU is about as fast as a PIII (snip) Now - how do we break-down the arguments and address them? My personal favorite measure to address it is: - I get annoyed when compiling a linux kernel for my good old PIII laptop computer at home, because I can go shopping and return without the kernel build being finished - I get annoyed when compiling a linux kernel on my z9 Lpar at work, because I can't even get a coffee before the kernel build is complete conclusion: Mainframes can be as annoying as PIII's ;-) cheers, Carsten -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Google out of capacity?
Hello! Google runs Linux. It quite logically wrote its own distribution using the Linux from Scratch Book rules. And naturally wrote its own file system. And I looked at the original website. It made me think of Slash Dot, except with more intelligent posters. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shogunx Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 2:03 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Google out of capacity? On Fri, 5 May 2006, Vic Cross wrote: On 05/05/2006, at 5:53am, Fargusson.Alan wrote: A long time ago I read that they did TCO studies, and found it less costly to buy lots of low cost hardware over buying fewer high cost systems. A long time ago is the point. When I read similar, the server count was around 8000 -- it would seem that they've grown considerably beyond that now. I doubt they've updated their TCO analysis accordingly... :) The real question is could a z9 outprocess existing clusters, out scale them at the same rate, and do so in such a fashion as to make it attractive to google to abandon its own in-house OS? Cheers, Vic Cross -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 sleekfreak pirate broadcast http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Google out of capacity?
Hello! Regrettably I must disagree with our absent friend. According to a few nameless friends at Google, they are constantly bringing new clusters on line. I should also mention that they have several football field sized rooms of systems. I strongly suspect that the chap from Google was quoted out of context. And besides, to view the link you've posted, requires a subscription. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:31 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] Google out of capacity? Here's an interesting post from Phil Payne on the IBM_MAIN list: Ain't Google wonderful - indexing and cacheing the entire contents of the World Wide Web on loads and loads of PCs? Actually - no. Those who use and try to manage it daily will tell you it's one great chimera - those distributed databases are almost always utterly out of sychronisation - do the same search twice and you'll quite likely get different results. Most Joe Publics don't question Google's results - it comes from a computer, it must be right. Check out on Usenet, if you fancy, the expression Google dance. But today is special - the CEO has admitted that the grand distributed PC approach hasn't worked. http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/34147.htm Huge machine crisis? Is there a zSeries salesman in the room? -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 You can read the complete thread over there, if you're so inclined DJ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: GPFS
Hello! Jim, you mention this: Sorry, but GPFS is available only for Linux on x86, Linux on POWER and AIX on POWER. There are no plans to make this available on zSeries. Okay, where do I find GPFS for Linux on x86 on the IBM websites? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:29 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] GPFS Sorry for a dumb question, but does anyone know if (or if ever) zLinux will support the GPFS filesystem? Thanx in advance for your assistance. Jack: Sorry, but GPFS is available only for Linux on x86, Linux on POWER and AIX on POWER. There are no plans to make this available on zSeries. However, you do have other options as Mark and David mentioned. In addition to AFS and NFS there is also OCFS2 (Oracle Cluster File System) http://oss.oracle.com/projects/ocfs2/ which supports Linux for zSeries (64-bit). It is unclear to me from the Red Hat web site if GFS is supported on Linux on zSeries (31-bit or 64-bit) and I don't have a Red Hat system at hand to check. Jim -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: 3270 keyboard setup so that vi can be used
Hello! Good question. On my own systems who run Intel Linux, Slackware in case anyone is curious, I only use vi when necessary. Would the VIM (vim) editor run on a system that's using the 3270 style keyboard? Something else to think about. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans, Kevin R Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:12 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] 3270 keyboard setup so that vi can be used Why on earth would you willingly use vig ? Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernard Wu Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:58 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: 3270 keyboard setup so that vi can be used Hi Listserv, Does anyone have suggestions on how to set up the keyboard mapping for a 3270 session, so that ' vi can be used . TIA Bernie Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: CentOS vs. Tuttle, OK
Hello! If he's got that much experience then why'd he sound like an idiot to begin with? It happens that I do have that much experience and happen to recognize the classic Apache webpage that indicates it was indeed installed successfully. Quite obviously it was the fault of the people of that town to elect someone who had no clear idea of what he was doing in either local technology or government. And to select a cable TV company to deliver their Internet access as well. Besides I am convinced that our friend at CentOS went out of his way to be polite to this individual. The kind of thing that's called far beyond the call of duty. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 11:07 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] CentOS vs. Tuttle, OK I was thinking the same thing. I loved this part: I am computer literate! I have 22 years in computer systems engineering and operation. Jon snip Johnny Hughes certainly has far more patience than I do. After the second threat to contact the FBI, my reply would have been along the lines of: Mr. Taylor, You are an idiot. Please contact the FBI, and let them explain to you why you are an idiot. /snip -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT: Re: Re-compile XEN 3.0
Hello! I agree. There are messages to paper a virtual room with, on a list discussing one of the BSD operating systems, and Xen. It seems to be decidedly unstable with regards to the networking issues. And regards to the boot processes for launching a domain. However, many people are seeing success by using that release of Xen and either Red Hat, or Debian, but definitely not SuSe. I suspect Slackware would definitely work, but I do not have the machine resources to try it. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 5:27 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] OT: Re: Re-compile XEN 3.0 Xen 3.0 is not what I would call worth bothering with. There's too many hiccoughs been reported. Frankly I don't know why they released it. Anyway, 3.0.2 is due RSN by all accounts so you may be better off looking at that. On top of which there have been all sorts of hiccoughs reported with Xen and OpenSUSE 10 and the suggestions are to go with garloff's rpms (whoever he/she/it is). If you really want to carry on with this stuff then I strongly suggest that you look at the Xen mailing lists, searchable versions of which are available via Gmane, to wit: gmane.comp.emulators.xen.user gmane.comp.emulators.xen.devel both on news.gmane.org -- Rod -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Xen
Hello from Gregg C Levine Indeed. I remember spending an interesting several hours at their NYC offices, one of the scheduled items that were discussed was indeed Xen. It happens I raised that very same issue. They did confirm that the only way to manage something when using Xen and their OS, was to install Linux first, and then their OS. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kielek, Samuel Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 9:32 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Xen Sun internally had it working for some time now. However, it is now publicly available for OpenSolaris. For the moment, you still can't have a Solaris dom0, only a domU. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/howto/ -Sam -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Summerfied Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:29 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Xen Alan Cox wrote: On Iau, 2006-02-16 at 11:03 -0600, Tom Shilson wrote: Xen is a Linux form of VMWare. It allows you to run multiple instances of Linux. Instead of creating a virtual machine, however, Xen shares the kernel. Compared to VMWare (or zVM) it is limited because of this. I have never used it. I believe that it is an OpenSource project. Xen isn't Linux specific. Nor does it share a kernel. Xen is a true hypervisor when running with Intel VT capable processors and very close to it when running on a generic x86. Performance is generally within 2-3% of native as a result of the para-virtualisation techniques used with a Xen aware kernel on a non VT capable processor. It is indeed free software. and SUN reports booting Solaris under it. _I_ am looking forward to booting Windows XP, and Mac OS X would be handy too. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tourist pics http://portgeographe.environmentaldisasters.cds.merseine.nu/ do not reply off-list -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: VSFTP Daemon
Hello from Gregg C Levine Good question. Is it a possible that it was removed from the SLES kits because at the time there might have been an open security issue with it? When I build a server for a customer, (Intel currently), I normally select ProFTPD, and eventually switch over to the one made by NCFTP, naturally I remind the customer it would be his responsibility to register the product. But never mind my opinion William I'm just posting a blue sky suggestion there. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scully, William P Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] VSFTP Daemon I'm trying to find the source for the VSFTP daemon distributed with SLES 8 or SLES 9, on SuSE's original CD ISOs. It doesn't seem to be there. Is there a reason why? (I know I can find the project source on the Internet, but there's a reason I'm trying to find the vendor-distributed materials.) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux on Intel;
Hello from Gregg C Levine Let's see The only brand I can think of, that is its available practically everywhere is Belkin. They make excellent USB cards. They've had a USB 2.0 one out for a while now in fact I had bought a USB 1.1 card from them at the same time they brought out their USB 2.0 one. Depending on how quickly you would need the thing, you can either buy it directly. That is from their website, www.belkin.com or from any Staples or other such distributor. Their site will give suggestions. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clark, Douglas Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:56 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] Linux on Intel; I have a dual boot Intel box running Windows 2000 sp 4 and SuSE Linux Enterprise version 9.0. See the output of uname -a below. uname -a Linux tsglnux1 2.6.5-7.244-default #1 Mon Dec 12 18:32:25 UTC 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux This Linux box does not have USB 2.0 and I would like to add a PCI card into the system which is supported by both Windows and Linux. I use this Intel box as my You server that I update my mainframe Linux environments. What I want to do is backup the internal hard drive on the Intel box to an external USB hard drive but with the amount of data the time it takes over USB 1.1 is over 28 hours! Does anyone have a USB 2.0 PCI card they would recommend running in an Intel box that supported Linux? TIA Doug -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Next dumb question: Searching for a product
Hello from Gregg C Levine Tom would the Ghostscript product do what you are looking for, in your shop? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:59 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] Next dumb question: Searching for a product What is an efficient way of searching to see if there is a product that can do what you want? Obviously, by name won't do much good. I may have a need to produce a PDF file, which we are currently doing in VSE. However, in this case, we need a forms flash, or forms overlay on the form also. This is a low volume operation, so I'm not worried about resources on our IFL. Right now, we have one of the big Xerox machines to do the bulk printing. However, sometimes the departments needs a reprint of a single form. We would like to send it directly to their printer with the correct overlay. Our Xerox has a solomar box which actually does the overlay for the Xerox. The input to the Solomar tool kit is a MS Word document. It would be nice if we could use the same MS Word document for input to this process. But I haven't the foggest idea on how to search for this. Either with Yast to see what software we have or has already been installed that might do this type of function, or on the Web for products (chargable or not), that may do this. So, the big question is, how do you search for a Linux based product? Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: CPU Consumption by ksoftirqd_CPUx processes
Hello from Gregg C Levine I believe you are right Marcy. For the S/390 world, the kernel developers needed to solve the SMP issues very quickly. They sacrificed scaling to match the needs of managing hardware processors. Now this depends on the kernel version that comes with SLES8. As with everything else this depends on two things, that factoid, and if you folks are willing to believe my opinions based on rumors. I do know that most of those problems were fixed by the time the releases reached the 2.4.29 and 2.4.31 releases. And everything is supposed to just work by the 2.6 series. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:55 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] CPU Consumption by ksoftirqd_CPUx processes You have 8 virtual cpus assigned to DB2 with sles8? I don't think the 2.4 kernel scales well enough to make that super efficient. Have you tried it was say 2? How big is your db2 virtual machine? Did you set the kernel setting as recommended in the db2 install? Is it swapping at all? Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Calzaretta Henry - hcalza Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:16 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] CPU Consumption by ksoftirqd_CPUx processes Hello, We have a WebSphere application running on 4 z/Linux z/VM guests accessing a DB2/UDB V8.2 database running on a separate z/Linux guest. On occasion, the DB2 work will slow to a crawl for several minutes and a top command run on the DB2 guest shows most of the available CPU resource is being consumed by tasks called ksoftirqd_CPUx (where x is 0-7 representing the number of CPUs defined to the guest) The best I can tell, ksoftirqd is a daemon that does backend I/O interrupt handling. Has anyone seen this situation? Short of not doing I/O, is there anything we can do to tune this situation? Software levels are WAS 5.0.2, DB2/UDB 8.2, SLES8, and z/VM 5.1. Hardware is z900 1Cx with 8-IFLs. Thanks, Hank Calzaretta Acxiom Corp. Tasks: 344 total, 1 running, 343 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 5.0% user, 4.5% system, 0.0% nice, 90.5% idle Mem: 1939124k total, 1936496k used, 2628k free,64024k buffers Swap: 2094928k total, 359436k used, 1735492k free, 1151176k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 20888 db2inst2 25 0 1024 1024 660 R 48.6 0.1 0:06.66 top 16 root 34 19 000 S 11.8 0.0 93:24.57 ksoftirqd_CPU4 14 root 34 19 000 S 16.7 0.0 94:15.25 ksoftirqd_CPU2 17 root 34 19 000 S 15.9 0.0 93:10.27 ksoftirqd_CPU5 12 root 34 19 000 S 15.6 0.0 96:31.81 ksoftirqd_CPU0 15 root 34 19 000 S 15.6 0.0 92:59.00 ksoftirqd_CPU3 13 root 34 19 000 S 13.6 0.0 95:16.56 ksoftirqd_CPU1 18 root 34 19 000 S 11.8 0.0 92:21.15 ksoftirqd_CPU6 19 root 34 19 000 S 11.5 0.0 98:58.83 ksoftirqd_CPU7 18815 db2inst2 25 0 168m 165m 159m D 8.1 8.8 0:15.66 db2sysc 15451 db2inst2 15 0 272m 268m 256m D 7.4 14.2 1:01.71 db2sysc 16734 db2inst2 16 0 180m 177m 170m S 5.4 9.4 0:25.78 db2sysc 18816 db2inst2 15 0 157m 154m 147m S 5.4 8.2 0:27.66 db2sysc 18448 db2inst2 17 0 141m 139m 130m S 4.9 7.3 0:29.41 db2sysc 17250 db2inst2 16 0 170m 167m 161m S 4.1 8.9 0:34.68 db2sysc 16378 db2inst2 15 0 45916 41m 34m S 3.6 2.2 0:20.50 db2sysc 18447 db2inst2 16 0 221m 218m 205m S 2.8 11.5 0:36.13 db2sysc 16736 db2inst2 16 0 79868 74m 67m S 2.1 3.9 0:33.28 db2sysc 13573 db2inst2 15 0 196m 193m 183m S 1.8 10.2 0:35.59 db2sysc *** The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication
Re: z/Linux to p/Linux
Hello from Gregg C Levine If I may comment a bit. I have seen an ESX system startup. It wasn't pretty. I also do not remember when. I do remember noting that its startup sequences did in fact resemble Red Hat Linux. Possibly one of the earlier versions before they went to the FC project. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kielek, Samuel Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:57 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] z/Linux to p/Linux Actually, it's running on top of a stripped-down Red Hat. That is incorrect. ESX does not run on Red Hat or any other Linux based OS. I think you are referring to the service console which is based off of an older version of Red Hat (7.x). However, the service console is not required for operation. In fact, you can shut the service console down altogether and your guests will continue to run just fine. I think people mistakenly think that the ESX hypervisor runs under Linux because it uses a familiar Linux bootstrap process, but that is where the similarity ends.. -Sam -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:50 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: z/Linux to p/Linux On Jan 5, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Kielek, Samuel wrote: Rick, I have never actually tested this, but vmware ESX runs directly on the hardware (no host OS required) Actually, it's running on top of a stripped-down Red Hat. and may be able to run an instance of vmware as a guest. I'm struggling to come up with a reason why this would be a useful thing to do however.. For testing and DR purposes, one presumes, just like running z/VM second-level. Of course, getting a whole xSeries all to yourself for testing is a lot easier than getting a whole zSeries LPAR. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: JRun on SLES9
Hello from Gregg C Levine Actually yes. I've seen that happen when I try to execute a binary that's not in the format my system uses. Sometimes there are other reasons, but mine happens to be an x86. The Big Iron is obviously S/390 and related systems. And according to one of our members Linux-390 or Z/Linux is not one of the supported systems. -- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Krysiak Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:17 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] JRun on SLES9 I managed to install JRun fine, just needed to assign LD_ASSUME_KERNEL to my kernel version, and everything else went smoothly. However, when I attempt to run jrun, I get the following error: -bash: ./jrun: cannot execute binary file Any idea why this may be occuring or how to go about investigating the cause? Thanks, Mike -- --- Michael Krysiak CSC/GIS, 500 Creek View Rd, Newark, DE 19711 Office:(302) 391-8803 Mobile: (203) 558-2432 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH for zVM?
Hello from Gregg C Levine Question! What are the settings for the /dev/rdr and the /dev/punch? Naturally I know these are S/390 Linux and zVM appropriate, but it seemed like a good question at the time. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Troth Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:12 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SSH for zVM? On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Jay Maynard wrote: Merciful $DEITY. At some point, you're on the bare metal: no 'chroot', no emulation, no hypervisor. No substitute. You mean you can start a shell on a reader/punch combo? Sure! sh /dev/rdr For that matter, you can start a shell on a raw disk: sh /dev/dasdd I may still have a Linux that does something much like this. -- R; -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux kernel and git
Hello from Gregg C Levine Mark, when I was building my Slackware kernels from raw kernel source code, rather then from the stuff provided by the company I'd visit www.kernel.org to let me know what the newest revision for either the 2.2 series or for that matter which version of the 2.4 series was current. I'd typically see references to their source repositories on the front page to the site. Now I don't know either, but try there first. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Post, Mark K Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:54 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] Linux kernel and git I downloaded the software for git (the new source management tool for Linux kernel developers) to compile it on Linux/390. Everything seemed to go well. I'm curious, though, if anyone knows for sure if the Linux kernel source repository has moved from Bitkeeper to git, or not? If so, where would I point the git client to access it? Thanks, Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: One of those things that make you go hmmm...
Hello from Gregg C Levine An expression said by Pogo comes to mind. We have met the enemy. And he is us. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Post, Mark K Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 4:32 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] One of those things that make you go hmmm... In my daily review of the linuxvm.org web server logs, I discovered that someone at Microsoft mirrored the entire web site. H. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: 2005-10-04 Recommended Linux on zSeries code drop to developerWorks
Hello from Gregg C Levine Mark, the way people argue, won't change much when they get older, when it covers technology. I am convinced however. This is far more restrained then the usual flame war, Why do this, this way?, as opposed to Do this, this way?. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D Pace Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:15 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: 2005-10-04 Recommended Linux on zSeries code drop to developerWorks I thought flame wars were for game playing teenagers, not adult professionals. Ah another myth down in flames. Pun definitely intended. Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 Office: 850.219.5184 Fax: 888.221.9862 http://www.mainline.com This e-mail and files transmitted with it are confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to believe that you received this message in error, please immediately notify sender by e-mail, and destroy the original message. Thank You. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: ELF Binaries and Linux on z/Series
Hello from Gregg C Levine How do you figure? Besides, isn't closed source some what anathema to Linux by now? Even the majority of special-purpose IBM written modules aren't OCO by now. I mean other then the one for the tape drives. Yes, Alan I know I did it again, feel free to complain. Just don't do it on the list. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Little, Chris Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:52 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] ELF Binaries and Linux on z/Series -Original Message- From: Eli Criffield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 8:44 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: ELF Binaries and Linux on z/Series If you must have a program that will run anyway use an interpreted language, python, perl, php, etc you can even byte compile it if you must hide the source (at least in python probably others too) Byte compiling a c program would only have the advantage of hiding the source, it would still have to be finally compiled to run on your architecture. And in the world of Linux and the FSF there's not much incentive to come up with a way for people to make there closed source programs easier to distribute. RPM? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: ELF Binaries and Linux on z/Series
Hello from Gregg C Levine Since the both of you, Adam, Chris, have commented on this, I'll post both here: Adam, I'm leaving out of this discussion Oracle, Chris, I also left out TSM, and IBM's DB2. Basically I was thinking of the system as a whole, before we start installing our software for the users. Or in the case of TSM for ourselves. It seems we do agree on some things. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Little, Chris Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:20 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] ELF Binaries and Linux on z/Series I can't speak for other organizations, but beyond SLES, we have very very little open source or gpl products in house. Linux supports Oracle. Proprietary. Backups are dones using TSM. Proprietary. Webfocus. Proprietary. DB2 Connect. Proprietary. chris -Original Message- From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:14 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: ELF Binaries and Linux on z/Series Hello from Gregg C Levine How do you figure? Besides, isn't closed source some what anathema to Linux by now? Even the majority of special-purpose IBM written modules aren't OCO by now. I mean other then the one for the tape drives. Yes, Alan I know I did it again, feel free to complain. Just don't do it on the list. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Little, Chris Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:52 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] ELF Binaries and Linux on z/Series -Original Message- From: Eli Criffield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 8:44 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: ELF Binaries and Linux on z/Series If you must have a program that will run anyway use an interpreted language, python, perl, php, etc you can even byte compile it if you must hide the source (at least in python probably others too) Byte compiling a c program would only have the advantage of hiding the source, it would still have to be finally compiled to run on your architecture. And in the world of Linux and the FSF there's not much incentive to come up with a way for people to make there closed source programs easier to distribute. RPM? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Lotus Domino servers and Linux-arch
Hello from Gregg C Levine One of my customers is finally leaning towards my direction towards Linux. He would like me to setup a system to act as a mail management server for his system. Intel of course, but that's predictable. I suggested, expecting it to be turned down, that it should be a Domino server on the Linux system, and Notes as clients everywhere else, with the later intentions of migrating off of their badly done Exchange setup. As for connecting the server to the outside world, well on that subject I'll defer to the group for advice. They now want me to draft a proof of concept brief on the whole business. So here goes: Is anyone running Domino on their systems? This question by the way is distribution neutral, I chose Slackware for the system that the customer will be getting and have not as of today, told him that. Are there any considerations for running it on a system which does not use the same run scripts that say Red Hat has? Naturally I'm only familiar with seeing the output of Lotus Notes, the messages on the lists I subscribe to, but I would imagine that there is copious documentation available. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: OT: but so funny.
Hello from Gregg C Levine But it's nice to know that ESR maintained his sense of decorum, and objectivity, and really didn't try to destroy the guy on the subject of intelligent recruitment. And yes, I have met some clueless 'droids from that place. (Clue here is that word I used means both the sales kind, and the one described in the robot stories from Asimov.) I once borrowed the reasonably famous term evil empire to describe them after seeing a booth of theirs hanging around at a LWE show space. It seems my reference made its way around the company corporate. I think most of you do recognize the original use of the term. And it wasn't the one described by the good people who created the reason for my company name, and e-mail addresses, and the signature. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 2:37 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] OT: but so funny. FSVO funny. Is Microsoft idiotic or egotistical beyond belief? http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208 Eric S. Raymond gets a job offer from Microsoft. And it read like a form letter. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Listserve foibles
Hello from Gregg C Levine I'm going on vacation tomorrow afternoon. So I want the list server to not send me any messages from the three groups I subscribe to here. Naturally I asked the list server for its commands. It did not include a NOMAIL command as part of its command structure. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Security questions and scads of NOUSER based SSH attacks
Hello from Gregg C Levine This is all good advice, I'll probably need to dig up documentation on iptables, and go on from there. And as it happens this is a relatively new system so I am the only user. But yes, people who do get permission to access my systems do need to choose non dictionary words as passwords, and all of you can guess what my root password is. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Istvan Nemeth Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:50 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Security questions and scads of NOUSER based SSH attacks Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU írta 2005.07.21 04:19:22 idõpontban: On one of my systems, I have 1. Turned off all password authentication 2. Written firewall rules to limit connexions to specific IP address ranges that have me covered. This reduces the number of attempts considerable. One of our systems was penetrated by a sloppy user-chosen password, Snce then, I have 1. Changed the firewall rules so that incoming SSH lands on my desktop and not the server. 2. Changed the rules so _I_ choose passwords. _I_ use a password generator which produces gems such as et3tUfGd (now defunct). There is still mail to protect. For usewr-chosen passwords I suggest two (or more) unrelated words such as cowblue. I figure those won't be in peoples' attack dictionary. My users needs to have linux account to use samba, mail etc., but no ssh (or sftp) from outside. So I simply made firewall rules to let ssh in only from specific hosts..., but I think it's not a good idea to force users to use generated passwords (for eg. political reasons), and I also do not recommend to use a desktop computer for incoming ssh connecitons, the service will depend from a single PC. I think I would use PAM's features to force users to have heavy passwords. István -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Security questions and scads of NOUSER based SSH attacks
Hello from Gregg C Levine Question, is anyone seeing activity on their Internet connected L/390 systems regarding the SSH port, and this NOUSER thing? All of sudden I'm seeing anywhere from two to as many as four different attacks on my system, Slackware 10.1 with all of the noted security fixed items applied. Including a pair of them today. The last one seemed to be originating from a public ISP in Korea, the one before from a school in Taiwan. I was originally told by a couple of experts about an SSH based Trojan or worm running someplace inside the Internet, or something along those lines. But this was nearly six months earlier. Could there still be infected machines out there? Just looking for advice, and opinions. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 Installation - Very Basic
Hello from Gregg C Levine I see you fine Mike. What's the system telling you? - Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael MacIsaac Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:37 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SLES9 Installation - Very Basic test - can't seem to append to the list Mike MacIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] (845) 433-7061 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: PHP-based Content Management Programs Under Threat
Hello from Gregg C Levine Is it just me, or are the exact same PHP security risks being discussed on the security lists for Slackware? They keep posting newer packages with those complaints fixed. Or so it would seem. And if there are so many such problems surfacing, then why are so many sites being created with them? - Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Post, Mark K Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:14 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] PHP-based Content Management Programs Under Threat This type of problem is unfortunately all too common with PHP. The PHP developers seem to have real problems with writing secure code. So much so that some commentators have recommended completely avoiding the package. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Knox Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:39 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: PHP-based Content Management Programs Under Threat For those running some of the more popular content management systems (php based), there is a security warning announced here: http://www.phpmag.net/itr/news/psecom,id,22674,nodeid,113.html fyi...Jim 05.07.2005 Popular free and open source blogging, wiki and content management programs face a security threat in the way PHP programs handle XML commands. According to James Bercegay, researcher at GulfTech Security Research http://www.gulftech.org/ who found the flaws, an attacker can compromise a Web server through a security hole in the XML-RPC function. In two PHP libraries, PHPXMLRPC and Pear XML-RPC, the flaw allows applications to exchange XML using remote procedure calls and fails to check incoming data for malicious commands. Bercagay said the level of the threat was high risk and affects popular PHP programs such as PostNuke, Drupal, b2evolution, TikiWiki and others. The PHP libraries have been updated, and are available for download. For developers who cannot upgrade to the new libraries, disabling the XML-RPC functions has been a recommended solution. PEAR XML_RPC 1.3.1 upgrade can be found here http://pear.php.net/package/XML_RPC/download/1.3.1. The PHPXMLRPC upgrade can be downloaded here http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=34455package_i d= 26601. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: My status...
Hello from Gregg C Levine Well David, you do know what they say about a secret written down versus one spoken, I suppose? Good luck with your next venture. Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Remember the Force will be with you. Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 7:24 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] My status... aha...I'm sure it will, Chris... me so stupid..:-( DJ Little, Chris wrote: I'm sure the list will keep it quiet . . . . -Original Message- From: Dave Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:17 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: My status... Hi, DK. Just a short note to let you know that as of the end of July I will no longer be employed by CA. More details as they become available. For the moment, please keep this information under your hat. :-) DJ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Some comments on the new XBox
Hello from Gregg C Levine One of the shops where I buy some stuff, sells XBOX support gear, in addition to the thing itself. They sell a third party keyboard for the thing. And Adam is correct, the connectors do resemble USB ones. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:19 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Some comments on the new XBox On May 12, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Ledbetter, Scott E wrote: My 13 year old 8th grade son runs Linux on his Xbox, and Hercules on our desktop Linux systems. I'll have to ask him if he ever got around to running Herc and MVS on his Xbox. I'm pretty sure he did, but I can't keep up with all the neat stuff he does. The biggest pain about running Linux on the Xbox is the on screen keyboard that you have to use. It's relatively easy and cheap to graft a plain old USB keyboard to an Xbox controller tail and have a keyboard for the box. The control *is* in fact just USB with an extra line, and if you wire the remaining wires correctly, you have a working keyboard. For anyone thinking running Hercules is too much trouble or too hard or whatever, I came home from work one day and he had MVS running under VM under Hercules on Linux. He had gotten all the information about how to do this from the Internet. When he complained about MVS console configuration and figuring out how to get it to work with VM, I knew he had felt all the pain he ever needed to feel about mainframes. That is *so* cool. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Pro-SCO hits a new low
Hello from Gregg C Levine David A, that confirms a theory I had about that outfit, a number of years earlier. Now I am all for keeping in touch with the companies one meets at trade shows, or seminars. However, that firm has a lousy trade record when it comes to sending out unsolicited e-mail. In fact that particular individual attempted to e-mail her particular brand of bad reporting to me directly. In addition to repeated copies of their newsletters on their respective subjects. Naturally I complained, and wrote to the people behind the fraud. I am now surprised they are still letting her write, and even do everything we are discussing now. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:18 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Pro-SCO hits a new low On Tue, 2005-05-10 at 07:57 -0400, Ferguson, Neale wrote: The journalist Maureen O'Gara has hit a new low in her pro-SCO efforts. An article about Groklaw focused not on the content or the intent of the site but got personal by providing information on how to find the site's author's mother, even posting pictures of the house and the number on the letterbox. This was a hatchet job, pure and simple. O'Gara is supported by Sys-Con, publisher of the following magazines: IT Solutions Guide Information Storage Security Journal JDJ Web Services Journal (XML Journal) .NET Developer's Journal LinuxWorld Magazine MX Developer's Journal ColdFusion Developer's Journal XML-Journal Wireless Business Technology WebSphere Journal WLDJ PowerBuilder Developer's Journal Eclipse Developer's Journal She is prominently featured in LinuxWorld Magazine. Two of the staff at LinuxWorld Magazine have threatened to resign if Sys-Con doesn't immediately fire O'Gara. See: http://turner.linuxworld.com/read/1256619.htm and http://dee.linuxworld.com/read/1256657.htm O'Gara's vicious muckraking is unacceptable. Send protests to: SYS-CON Media 135 Chestnut Ridge Road Montvale, NJ 07645 -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Sles 8.0 service pack 2.0 and 3.0
Hello from Gregg C Levine You mean its forming a pattern? Coincidences often form patterns. Before we get involved in one of the national debates regarding that life form, I suggest we return to our usual discussion. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:20 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Sles 8.0 service pack 2.0 and 3.0 And a lot of our Congressmen are lawyers. That's a funny coincidence. Jon snip Don't get me started on lawyers. The reason that there are so many is easy to understand: They make lots of money. /snip -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: libgtk-x11-2.0.so
Hello from Gregg C Levine I've noticed that as well. For example, they originally included a large amount of items which were more appropriate for the desktop world. And early on, Linux on S/390 also included the hardware clock scripts which looked for the real time clock. I would imagine that has been fixed. Incidentally can the OS be configured to serve out an X-session to a PC host? That might be one such reason. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Istvan Nemeth Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:15 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] libgtk-x11-2.0.so :) and why usb, and pci packages.. Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU írta 2005.05.02 17:11:34 idõpontban: Monday 02 May 2005 16:36, You wrote: Yes, it's on CD2 in UnitedLinux/i586/gtk2-2.0.6-73.i586.rpm I would seriously question why your user wants to run graphical applications on Linux/390, though. ...and I would like to know why Suse run xdm by default on SLES8-s390... (typical installation and minimalista too!) by, -- Gian -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: I have a chance to get my hands on a brand new itanium box here at the office
Hello from Gregg C Levine James, what is it running at the moment? I believe Suse does have a distribution configured for that platform, same with the people at Red Hat. Then again, I use Slackware, and they prefer to be on the IA32 platform. Suggest you check the websites for both distributions. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:11 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [LINUX-390] I have a chance to get my hands on a brand new itanium box here at the office If I can find a use for it, it is mine to use for work related purposes otherwise it's getting 'donated to schools' - as it was bought as an evaluation machine. Is there a SuSE or Redhat or Other Linux distro that people might recommend on this box? I've never looked at itanium for anything. If successful I want to use this as my side-scanning engine for Clam AV on my Linuxes amongst other things. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
SSH based attacks
Hello from Gregg C Levine Of the systems that run Linux, how many of you have them directly accessible to the Internet? As all of you know, I run Slackware Linux here, for Intel, practically every day the system is on, I see people attempting to access the system via SSH from unknown, to it, IP addresses. Are any of you seeing these happen? And what are you doing to prevent such access? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH based attacks
Hello from Gregg C Levine I should. However, my problem is that I can't find an easy to understand explanation for setting up IPTABLES. I can provide one clew. So far, that worm is not causing any more attacks. It's as if it had stopped. For that explanation can you point to one? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:35 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SSH based attacks -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregg C Levine Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:04 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: SSH based attacks Hello from Gregg C Levine Of the systems that run Linux, how many of you have them directly accessible to the Internet? As all of you know, I run Slackware Linux here, for Intel, practically every day the system is on, I see people attempting to access the system via SSH from unknown, to it, IP addresses. Are any of you seeing these happen? And what are you doing to prevent such access? Hum, if SSH is restricted to specific hosts, I'd just use iptables to drop the packets on the ground from any other IP addresses. That's what I do at home. Also, I don't respond to pings from outside. Another thing to consider is to set up a single system which allows SSH from outside. All the others stand mute. If somebody needs to ssh to a different server, they ssh to the internet SSH server, then ssh from there to the actual server they need. And never let root ssh in. If somebody needs root (why?), then ssh to a normal user and su (or sudo) to do root work. I'll bet you already do that. I just thought I'd say it just in case. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SSH based attacks
Hello from Gregg C Levine Make sense. Alan, would you be willing to explain further? But please send this idea off list. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Cox Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:42 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SSH based attacks On Maw, 2005-04-12 at 22:04, Gregg C Levine wrote: As all of you know, I run Slackware Linux here, for Intel, practically every day the system is on, I see people attempting to access the system via SSH from unknown, to it, IP addresses. There are worms that just sit doing dictionary attacks or feeding scripts of password/login names stolen from other sites. I see this too on my exposed boxes although I have some slightly odd arrangements to ensure the worm is knocking on the wrong door... Alan -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Security advisories for both Slackware, and other distributions
Hello from Gregg C Levine I've been reading, and remembering to apply all of the upgraded packages that Slackware has been creating for itself based on the numerous security advisories that they quote. This is for Intel mind, but I surmise that Mark has been doing the same for S/390. Now the question: Are all the other certified vendor/distributors for S/390 ported Linux following these advisories? And releasing upgraded packages? --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: FreeVM-L lives! [was: Linux Questions]
Hello from Gregg C Levine Actually, according to the folks at LSOFT, their software was ported to Linux, they might be able to confirm that a port was done to what we discuss here. I bumped into them at a trade show a while ago, discussed the subject. At first they thought I was daft, then as the conversation ran on, they realized that it was the way I communicated, and explained what I was requesting, did exist. Sort of. And John, Mailman is a mailing list manager of sorts. The ones at GNU are running on it, a few of the ones that live at Sources Red Hat are being converted over to it. All of the Source Forge ones, are of course running on it. It turns out that the language of choice for that one, is Python. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] FreeVM-L lives! [was: Linux Questions] Naw, use a FOSS list manager. Is mailman one? I forget. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Troth Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FreeVM-L lives! [was: Linux Questions] Sir Santa is running a list of his own since the network folks have prevented mail to go in :-) Well ... I have my own domain, true. And the list *could* be hosted there. But I don't have LISTSERV, and we would all rather that LISTSERV manage the list, not just one guy, red suit or no. ;-) -- R; -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Installing hcp
Hello from Gregg C Levine If I remember correctly its so that Linux will know where each module is, and what symbols are exported. Granted Linux for the Z series is not completely the same as for Intel systems, but that part should be correct. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosti, Ken Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Installing hcp Hello Mark and Adam Thanks, I got hcp working after doing a make install. I have not issued the depmod command yet. I am trying to understand why I need it. Ken -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Post, Mark K Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Installing hcp You need to do a make install and depmod -a before you do the cpint_load. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosti, Ken Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Installing hcp I am encountering problems with hcp after downloading into a private directory and doing the make. The following error message is displayed after the hcp query time. The hcp command starts but fails attempting to open I assume the device interface. Open: No such file or directory The CPINT HOW-TO file talks about the cpint_load shell script. I invoke the cpint_load and get the following error message: insmod: cpint: no module by that name found I do not see a cpint file in my directory but I do see a cpint.o. I have included my directory containing downloaded files and files generated by make. [EMAIL PROTECTED] cpint-1.1.6]# ls actgen actmain.o cmdmain.o cpint.o hcp.o Makefile monmain.c monstat.exec sysinfo.o actgen.c applmon.h cpcmd.h cpint_unload HOW-TO mongen monmain.o monstat.o actgen.o ChangeLog cpint.h hcp main.c mongen.c monstatproc actmain.c cmdmain.c cpint_load hcp.c main.o mongen.o monstat.c sysinfo.c Regards Ken -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: A request for whomever at standardbank.co.za
Hello from Gregg C Levine Jim, this has not been seen by me. I did send one off to the list, commenting on John's posting of the link from Groklaw concerning that patent law snafu yesterday. Must have happened since then. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Melin Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] A request for whomever at standardbank.co.za The last couple times I've sent something to the list, I've gotten this back from their automated widget. Anyone else seeing this? If anyone from standardbank.co.za is reading this please be aware that this is happeing in response to an automated list distribution. - Forwarded by Jim M. Melin/IT/Hennepin on 10/06/2004 11:51 AM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ardbank.co.za To 10/06/2004 11:42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] AM cc Subject Swapgen - setting up/installing Please be advised that the correct e-mail address format to be used in all correspondence with Standard Bank is: recipient'sfirstname.recipient'[EMAIL PROTECTED] While your e-mail has been delivered to the intended recipient, please change your records accordingly. Technology Engineering Standard Bank -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Groklaw: Kodak sues (and wins!) Sun for patent violation on Java.
Hello from Gregg C Levine Having read the story I am inclined to agree. But I'd also add revolting to that. It's reprehensible, when a supposedly reputable company such as Kodak would stoop so low. The patent laws should be revised. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] Groklaw: Kodak sues (and wins!) Sun for patent violation on Java. Sickening. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20041003041632172 -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Iso images for slackware/390. Where??
Hello from Gregg C Levine Mark will probably complain that I stole his lines, but here goes: They don't exist as such as of yet. To find Slackware/390 in both forms I suggest you visit the website, www.slack390.org as far as I know that site will describe the only means to obtain the entire sets of distribution materials. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Antônio Pires de Castro Júnior. Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] Iso images for slackware/390. Where?? Where can I find an ISO slackware/390 images for install ?? slack/390 or slack/390x. thanks in advanced, Antonio Pires. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: linuxvm.org offline
Hello from Gregg C Levine Barton, folks, my ATT DSL hookup is also a COVAD job. Apparently COVAD supplies the high-speed data lines for ATT, how I don't know. I did not ask. However, since I saw one of those attempts streaming at my setup, about a week earlier, I can sympathize with you. I have open on my Link Sys router, the ports for SSH, and HTTP, and also VNC, the hacker who came from a Korean college, was trying to break in via the SSH port, my guess is that he could not guess the root password. Since I never use default root passwords, he was out of luck. All of those point to my Linux box, obviously running Intel Linux. Slackware in fact. Incidentally, Barton, is your (their) router a Cisco unit? I believe they have connectors used to administer the router, typically a dedicated network point, or worse a serial access point. From that, the logs could be dumped, and examined to prove what did happen. And I am just guessing there. As there have been (silly) attempts to hack our VM based webservers from a Broadband Residential Gateway in Taiwan, I'm wondering if they have found a way to hack our router? Interesting concept. Only if their unit, was the same as the one at your place. Which is certainly not the case, I surmise. Good luck sorting out your problems Barton. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] linuxvm.org offline Our ISP, COVAD was offline saturday, claiming our (their) router had a problem. As there have been (silly) attempts to hack our VM based webservers from a Broadband Residential Gateway in Taiwan, I'm wondering if they have found a way to hack our router? For those of you unaware, our host supports the URL for several vm user groups as well as hosting the following: Linuxvm.org Linuxvm.com Velocitysoftware.com If you can't measure it, I'm Just NOT interested!(tm) // Barton Robinson - CBW Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Velocity Software, IncMailing Address: 196-D Castro Street P.O. Box 390640 Mountain View, CA 94041 Mountain View, CA 94039-0640 VM Performance Hotline: 650-964-8867 Fax: 650-964-9012 Web Page: WWW.VELOCITY-SOFTWARE.COM // -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Off charter - Mickeysoft
Hello from Gregg C Levine Phil, that's a normal idiotic diagnostic message. It's also written to be as insulting as possible to the user. For myself IE has been throwing those for a longish while now. Office products have been behaving themselves for a while now. Oh, and what sound did your error make? Mine swore in the language and phrasing normally used by one Picard. And yes I am aware of that blurb, just not its contents. IDG is about the only consulting and reporting firm, that comes close to making sense. One other firm whose name I won't mention doesn't. Do what I do when Office complains, complain back, and restart the program. On another note, how's the weather where you are? And where's that so I can properly fix it in my mind. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Payne Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] Off charter - Mickeysoft Microsoft is always telling me that I don't buy their software - I only buy a license to use it. So how come, when Word crapped out a minute ago, the diagnostic said Your software has executed an illegal instruction? Shouldn't it have said Our software executed an illegal instruction? Back to Linux - everyone saw this? http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1646007,00.asp -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Off charter - Mickeysoft
Hello from Gregg C Levine Compliments are in order Adam, you've just made my evening. Wait a minute, our Fish? He was decidedly polite in his last few postings. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Off charter - Mickeysoft On Wed, 2004-09-15 at 19:41, Gregg C Levine wrote: Hello from Gregg C Levine Phil, that's a normal idiotic diagnostic message. It's also written to be as insulting as possible to the user. Well, no. An INSULTING error message would be something like (Fish-speak redacted): Hey, **, what the ** were you thinking? ** ** you ** **! Anyone with the ** brains God gave a ** warthog would know better than to ** the ** ** application that way. ** you and your ** ** mother as well, and the ** you rode--or should I say **?--in on. I'm ** killing myself now, because I just can't ** bear to live in the pile of ** that you've made my entire ** world. Bite me and ** you, Your Application. Or for less over-the-top, but still pretty insulting, there's RIC0666E Sheldon wanna six-pack? But I wouldn't know anything about that one. Of course not. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Slack/390
Hello from Gregg C Levine One clause must be given here, with regards to the following statements, I have been using the Slackware distribution because it works for me. You have tried the MIX X server? Then you should have read their FAQ on accessing the services from a Linux box. Their FAQ uses the telnet program but since that program is being no longer used because of the obvious security reasons, I chose SSH in the following explanation. Its really quite simple, you SSH into your box, once you've logged on, set the display to match the IP address of where the MIX X server has its face. Then you run your program, and append an to the end of the program name, before running it, such as #xterm(1), and you'll find your seeing an XTERM screen showing you with the prompt for your Slackware-390 session. One caveat they forgot to provide is making sure that the properties for X forwarding are turned on for SSH, most of the time its turned off. If your running Slackware-390 on big iron, there won't be a big performance problem, however, if your running the OS via, Hercules, say, there might be one, but not much. I've done this via MIX X server, and the SSH program from SSH to an Intel Slackware-9.1 system, running here, and it works. However if you have X running on the Linux box, there will be a complaint on the SSH screen. Mark if you want to make that part of a FAQ, or a HOWTO for your website, then go right, all I ask for credit be given. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (1) # means root prompt. Commands are given in lower case because most systems expect them that way. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Slack/390 I give up, I've tried everything suggested and everything I can think of (which ain't much!!!). One last attempt here's the debugging stuff thrown to /var/log/syslog Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode QUERY from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_query: Opcode 2 from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_willing: Sending WILLING to 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode REQUEST from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: Got REQUEST from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: xdmcp_pending=0, MaxPending=4, xdmcp_sessions=0, MaxSessions=16, ManufacturerID= Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_dispose_check (dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0) Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 - 1 entries Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_alloc: display=dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0, session id=-1671202951, xdmcp_pending=1 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_accept: Sending ACCEPT to 172.30.0.249 with SessionID=-1671202951 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode MANAGE from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got MANAGE from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got Display=0, SessionID=-1671202951 Class=MIT-unspecified from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Looked up dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_choose_indirect_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_forward_query_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Managing dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: loop check: last_start 0, last_loop 0, now: 1093271186, retry_count: 0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: Resetting counts for loop of death detection Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Forked slave: 280 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Starting slave process for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Loop Thingie Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_run: Opening display dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10
Re: Slack/390
Hello from Gregg C Levine Mark, that was me. And your interpretation of my instructions are indeed correct. Richard if this works, I'd appreciate getting an e-mail. No comment regarding the GNOME desktop however. I looked at the Labtam product, as well as one other. Way too expensive for my needs. Also too difficult to setup. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Post, Mark K Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Slack/390 Based on the various Google searches I did, this all looks normal. It really appears to me that the Labtam X server on your Windows system is refusing to authorize/authenticate the Linux system. As someone else pointed out, when you use MI/X, you need to SSH to the Linux system (make sure you have X Forwarding turned on in /etc/ssh/sshd_config) and start your X client there. It should display just fine on your Windows system. I am curious, though, why you want to have a GNOME desktop running on your mainframe. Seems like an awful waste of CPU cycles and network bandwidth. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Pinion Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slack/390 I give up, I've tried everything suggested and everything I can think of (which ain't much!!!). One last attempt here's the debugging stuff thrown to /var/log/syslog Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode QUERY from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_query: Opcode 2 from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_willing: Sending WILLING to 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode REQUEST from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: Got REQUEST from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_request: xdmcp_pending=0, MaxPending=4, xdmcp_sessions=0, MaxSessions=16, ManufacturerID= Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_dispose_check (dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0) Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Setting up access for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 - 1 entries Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_display_alloc: display=dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0, session id=-1671202951, xdmcp_pending=1 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_send_accept: Sending ACCEPT to 172.30.0.249 with SessionID=-1671202951 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_decode: Received opcode MANAGE from client 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got MANAGE from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_host_allow: client-hostname is dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Got Display=0, SessionID=-1671202951 Class=MIT-unspecified from 172.30.0.249 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_xdmcp_handle_manage: Looked up dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_choose_indirect_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_forward_query_lookup: Host 172.30.0.249 not found Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Managing dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: loop check: last_start 0, last_loop 0, now: 1093271186, retry_count: 0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: Resetting counts for loop of death detection Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[228]: gdm_display_manage: Forked slave: 280 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Starting slave process for dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_start: Loop Thingie Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_run: Opening display dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:26 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_greeter: Running greeter on dabmi40801.bhsetdc.org:0 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: (child 280) gdm_slave_child_handler Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: gdm_slave_greeter: Greeter on pid 285 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: Sending GREETPID == 285 for slave 280 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[280]: Sending GREETPID 280 285 Aug 23 10:26:27 linux390 gdm[228]: Handling message: 'GREETPID 280
Re: Slack/390 - where ???
Hello from Gregg C Levine I believe the location is, ftp://ftp.ibibilio.org there is a directory called Linux (but in lower case), under the pub one. Then go to the distributions one. And you will have ample help here, for facilitating your work with it. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Antônio Pires de Castro Júnior. Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] Slack/390 - where ??? Where can I download Slack/390x or Slack/390??? thanks in advanced, Antonio Pires. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SLES9 and SCSI
Hello from Gregg C Levine Jim how does the Initial Root device builder install its modules? And how are they loaded when the system is booted? Can you deselect those from the scripts? Remember Linux was first created on a PC, and contains many mechanisms that are more appropriate to the PC, remember the clock issues. Alan, all I'm doing is providing an opinion, and advice. If your annoyed that I'm walking all over your line of work, please write to me off list. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Sibley Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SLES9 and SCSI Alan wrote: Are the FCP adapters defined in the IOCDS? If so, take them out. There are no SCSI adapters on the zSeries and no SCSI defined in the IOCDS. All dasd is ECKD. mkinitrd, though, insistes on adding the scsi modules when it makes initrd. = Jim Sibley Computers are useless.They can only give answers. Pablo Picasso (The NSHO's expressed here represents no-one but myself). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IBM opensources Derby
Hello from Gregg C Levine Why Phil, I didn't know you saw that, and cared. That was stated tongue in cheek. And I did note that your reforming. Which this post indicates. I have seen one that inflamed anyone in over a year. The last one was, well, call it about two or more years earlier. If nothing else, your posts have spurred the rest of us to keep going, so I suspect that they had a different effect then usual. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Payne Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] IBM opensources Derby http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9442433217.html (Which we in the UK - I was born and grew up in the town - correctly pronounce as Darby.) Hi, Gregg - am I still annoying people on L390? -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: IBM opensources Derby
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine Umf. That's what I get for posting before my morning coffee solution.. Change have to haven't. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregg C Levine Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM opensources Derby Hello from Gregg C Levine Why Phil, I didn't know you saw that, and cared. That was stated tongue in cheek. And I did note that your reforming. Which this post indicates. I have seen one that inflamed anyone in over a year. The last one was, well, call it about two or more years earlier. If nothing else, your posts have spurred the rest of us to keep going, so I suspect that they had a different effect then usual. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Payne Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 6:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] IBM opensources Derby http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9442433217.html (Which we in the UK - I was born and grew up in the town - correctly pronounce as Darby.) Hi, Gregg - am I still annoying people on L390? -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Suse install under z/vm
Hello from Gregg C Levine I'm probably chiming in with an opinion late for this thread but here goes: On my Intel based systems, I need to make sure the right hard disk is assigned. Inside the device directory, they go hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4 hda5 hda6 hda7 hda8 hda9 hda10 hda11 hda12 hda13 hda14 hda15, and much further then that. The first time I booted it, without setting the right disk I received the same sort of message as your ended up with, a classic kernel panic, in mine. Incidentally that's from the linux.bat file for booting my setup using load Linux program for zipslack from Slackware 9.1. What sort of parm file settings do you have? I suggest you present us with that. As I said I'm probably landing on this a bit late, but the error messages looked similar. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noll, Ralph Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Suse install under z/vm Ok.. I have the sles8 up and running on the z/vm system I shut it down and went to the multiprise 2003/216 and ipl'ed From the root drive 0a0f.. And here is what I am getting Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) Kmod: failed to exed /sbin/modprobe -s -k block-major-94, errno=2 Vfs: cannot open root device dasda1 or 5e:01 Any idea.. Thanks Ralph -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Groklaw: Sun looks at buying Novell.
Hello from Gregg C Levine I agree. It is funny. However the comments below it, resemble that of slash-dot. Little relevance, and almost no intelligence. One of the people there posted a comment regarding something for MS. I wonder where he got his facts? At an OEM briefing, they said it would be out at the end of this month. September at the latest. But let's not dwell on the other big companies inability to do anything right. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] Groklaw: Sun looks at buying Novell. OK, but it's good of a bit of a chuckle. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040802040516974 -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: For the security weenies
Hello from Gregg C Levine If you can't convince them, confuse them. That being said, I prefer the systems from Star Trek. I'll leave that to the imagination of everyone here. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 6:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] For the security weenies On Monday, 08/02/2004 at 05:37 EST, Adam Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's really even safer if you just never build the machine at all. Nonexistent machines are the safest kind. Plus they're easy to brag about: My imaginary 75-Petaflop Helium-3-cooled system with 14 googolplexbytes of disk. Helium *3*? *3*?!?!? Systems with H3 cooling were discovered to have serious security flaws. The stupid BIOS had a function that could control pump speed. It turns out a clever program could pulse the pumps creating sort of a Morse code equivalent. That wasn't so bad except that the VRUs on the first-generation H1s could hear it (low frequency) and it would flat-line, ignoring voice input. You couldn't even tell it to reboot - you actually had to find a keyboard to plug in and CAD. Only because the H1s were so popular (and numerous) did this problem with the H3s ever come to light. You might want to consider upgrading to H3+. Imaginary H4s are due out next year allowing 100 PFLOPs, but the 6 month wait will be interminable. Engineers. Whaddaya gonna do with 'em? Chuckie -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: CA Open Sources DB at LinuxWorld
Hello from Gregg C Levine Neale, for those of us who've forgotten what Ingres is, would you care to present a restatement of facts regarding the database product? Or for that matter anyone else. I recognize the name from the Cliff Stoll book, but that's about it. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ferguson, Neale Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LINUX-390] CA Open Sources DB at LinuxWorld See: http://linuxtoday.com/news/2004072900531OSDV In a big step to reaffirm its commitment to open source technologies, Computer Associates will officially open source its long forgotten database software at LinuxWorld in San Francisco next week. CA officials confirmed the company will open source version 3 of its Ingres Enterprise Relational Database (Ingres r3) under its own CA Trusted Open Source License (CA-TOSL), a variation of the common public license from opensource.org. Under CA-TOSL, software vendors can incorporate Ingres into their software as long as the Ingres source code is provided with it. CA will charge for support and indemnification as added-cost options to the CA-TOSL Ingres. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Backup of Virtual Linuxes [WAS: Re: Red Hat AS 3.0]
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine Adam, folks, and especially you, Jim. I spent the better part of a session on IBM software, middle and other wise, trying to convince some 'droid from Tivoli of that fact. He was firmly convinced that the only purpose for z/VM was that it should be used to manage z/OS, that it did not matter that the real purpose for z/VM was to host, and work with Linux guests, and sometimes z/OS. He did agree that there was a definite purpose for the Linux guests, but that was it. The 'droid just did not want to listen to me. He even ignored me, after a while. Which I thought was rude. I did refrain from doing the rash things that came to mind. All of them. He just didn't care. Jim, when your finished with LWE, can you remind those characters of this fact? Loudly even. Of course the one on Linux that came up here, about seventeen days earlier, the group there did agree with me, regarding the real purposes behind z/VM, and a bundle of Linux guests. In fact a few of their slides did indeed cover that fact. Even deliberately minimized the purposes behind z/OS. Oh, and here's a giggle, Everything was presented using Linux based tools. The software from the Evil Empire, was roosting on VMWare. And surprisingly enough, they even agreed with me, that something of a sort should be done regarding Tivoli. The representative from IBM Software, was there, and wasn't upset at me, just at Tivoli for inspiring my annoyance. He even agreed with his fellow staff, and me. (Which was a big relief, and topped a great day that day.) Did anyone on the list attend those meetings? David Chase was there at the NYC one, but they went everywhere. I also want to apologize for that slightly acerbic blurb on top. I'm normally not that rude, or even worse, insulting towards anyone who is considered to be an expert in their chosen field. But that guy brought out the moral indignation, and regular outrage in me. And afterwards I was convinced that he wasn't as much as an expert as I know all of you are. Oh, and it is considered rather late in this time-zone.. Anyone who wishes to complain to me, please do so, but do not flood the list with your complaints. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Thornton Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Backup of Virtual Linuxes [WAS: Re: Red Hat AS 3.0] On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 18:59, Tom Shilson wrote: The server runs on VM. The ^^^ server piece is frozen at some outdated release. ^^^ Yeah, that's pretty much to what I was referring. TSM would be a whole lot more useful if there were a full-featured, up-to-date server for the VM side of things. Contrary to Tivoli's belief, not *everyone* who wants a mainframe TSM server has z/OS in their shop. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Linux 2.6 Kernel
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine I second that thought. And a little late perhaps. William see if you can boot with your earlier kernel, and make a note of the messaging output that the whole process generates. Then reset things to talk to the newer one, and match the notes you've made with the ones that the newer kernel is printing out. Granted there will be some differences, the 2.6 family has something different then with the 2.4, but that's to be expected. You need to look for the getpt reference. In my case I had forgotten to enable it in the configuration routines the last time I attempted to work with a 2,6 kernel. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Arnd Bergmann Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 7:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Linux 2.6 Kernel On Donnerstag, 15. Juli 2004 21:48, Scully, William P wrote: My goal is to force certain directories in the tree to be R/O instead of R/W. But I'm at a loss as to where getpt is looking such that it says No such file I thought it was in /dev, but I'm *-certain-* /dev is R/W. Could it be that your /dev/pts is mounted on the original /dev, not the rw bind mount? Arnd -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Having problems replying to posts
Hello from Gregg C Levine Here's my problem. My ISP had a traumatic event from the severe weather from this week. I'd like to be able to reply to some posts, including the one from William Scully, regarding the 2.6 family problems he's been having since I recognized them from my own work. Is there a web interface to the list, so that I can physically respond that way? How can I use it, do I need to register? My ISP should recover from this event RSN. That's also why you've been seeing those annoying test messages. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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We are testing our connection to the Internet. Please disregard. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: APL and the like (and some WAY off topic typewriter questions ....)
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine You forgot one government agency. IRS. Or even the DOD. But one wonders. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] APL and the like (and some WAY off topic typewriter questions ) Richard Pinion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you remember when Exxon got into the typewriter business sometime in = the late 70's or early 80's? Now wouldn't that be a find! Googling for exxon typewriter (with the quotes) finds a few of 'em for sale. Go for it...tell us how many GPM you get. and David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] added: This weekend, NASA JSC in Houston is finally auctioning off their System/360 reserve parts depot from the Apollo shots (they need somewhere to put the 3090-400E parts...8-)). One wonders who (besides Peter Ward) actually *needs* S/360 parts any more. I'm afraid to think...the FCC? NRC? NORAD? ...phsiii -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: APL and the like (and some WAY off topic typewriter questions ....)
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
John, where in Florida?
And for keeping the tourists down to a minimum the state has two
options. One are the bugs, they are as big as fighters down there, and
two, happens to be the alligators. It happens there are more of them,
then there are people.
---
Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi
Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi
-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
John Campbell
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 2:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] APL and the like (and some WAY off topic
typewriter
questions )
I live down here in Florida (yes, I know about Florida jokes... and
I've
made up quite a few, too) where the idea of thinning the herd of
tourists
sounds like a good idea.
One bumpersticker I've read is: If it's touist season why can't we
shoot
them?
I'd like to see one that reads I live here and work here... and, if
you
want service at the next restaurant, get out of my way!
John R. Campbell, Speaker to Machines (GNUrd)
{813-356|697}-5322
Adsumo ergo raptus sum
MacOS X: Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging
Windows.
Red Hat Certified Engineer (#803004680310286)
IBM Certified: IBM AIX 4.3 System Administration, System Support
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Martin To:
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We need to keep the tourist population thinned somehow, and the
spiders
have to eat. :P
OK. I'm going to stop pushing the button now. Really.
-dan.
Adam Thornton wrote:
On Fri, 2004-07-09 at 11:13, Daniel P. Martin wrote:
When you went through the search-and-rescue certification, did you
get
to deal with local wildlife phenomena like mosquitoes the size of
cornish game hens?
Cornish game hens? No, more like Rhode Island Reds.
And spiders. Geez. You guys have more arachnids per square inch
in
your woods than, well, anywhere else I've been. Ick.
Adam
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Re: Linux under VM and Cloning
Hello from Gregg C Levine So far you all have good ideas. However about that quote you chose Gordon, yes David did write it for his novel, as you've noted, except it was Solomon Short who said the actual quote. (And he's been suggesting that Solomon is a real person no less!) --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfe, Gordon W Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Linux under VM and Cloning How much DASD does this really save you? Is it worth the time and effort it takes to set this up A lot of people do it this way. I gave a paper on it at SHARE. You can see a copy at http://linuxvm.org/present/SHARE101/S9343GWa.pdf It covers a wide gamut of the problems of managing multiple Linux servers running under VM. Lately, however, we've been beginning to have second thoughts. When we started the scheme detailed in the presentation, we thought a whole 3390-3 was a lot of dasd and were trying to save as much as possible. Now that we're running about 40 servers, maintenance is becoming a real pain in the patootie. Getting our users to allow us to take down their server so we can change /usr disks is really hard. More and more our users are wanting full 7X24 availability. Our current offering is 1500 cylinders for /, /opt, /bin, /var, etc 3338 cylinders for /usr, read-only shared. swap in v-disk A separate disk with much as they need for /home A read-only disk with the Oracle code on it and a separate LVM volume for Oracle databases, if they want oracle. We are considering changing our offering when SLES9 comes out. The current proposal is to combine the / and /usr disks into one single minidisk of about 5000 cylinders, being half of a 3390-9. Everything read-write. Then, for service, we can just use ssh to send some commands to the server, link an NFS disk in with all the rpm's and just load the rpms directly on to the server. We can even send ssh commands to recycle various daemons. The only thing we'd have to bring the server all the way down for would be to bring in a new kernel. What we give up to do this is disk space. Each server goes from using 1500 cylinders to 5000 cylinders. However, we're beginning to think that disk is cheaper than labor, especially when it comes to dozens of servers to maintain. YMMV. Give it some thought. What does your management want to spend its money on? Disk arrays or headcount? Good. Fast. Cheap. Pick any two. (David Gerrold, A Matter for Men) An Optimist is just a pessimist with no job experience. - Scott Adams Gordon W. Wolfe, Ph.D. Boeing Enterprise Servers 425-865-5940 -- From: David Boyes Reply To: Linux on 390 Port Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2004 7:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux under VM and Cloning We are going with a lot of Linux Guests under VM. Close to 20 per IFL and are wondering about the experiences with the basevol/guestvol scenario. How many People accually use this scenario? At least a dozen of our customers do. CA obviously does (see Bill's paper). It's proven to be a pretty good choice when you need a lot of fairly similar machines that don't change configuration too often. How much DASD does this really save you? Is it worth the time and effort it takes to set this up? It depends a lot on how well-behaved your applications are in terms of keeping all their files together. A lot of ISVs violate Mother's Second Rule (Thou Shalt Not Mix Your Code and System Code), which makes it more a maintenance issue than a disk space issue. IF your application is well-behaved enough to keep all it's pieces together, then it makes a fair amount of difference. Could you just setup Links to specific disks in VM for a Guest like if you just wanted to share the binaries for say Oracle, or the /usr directory or /home directory? No, because in the case of Oracle and a lot of the ISV software you mentioned, the application wants to dump code outside the directory that holds the main binaries. You also need to have write access to the RPM catalog and some other stuff (something I consider to be a design flaw in RPM -- no provision for concatenated user and system software catalogs). /home is difficult because of the multi-system caching problem -- virtal machines are really separate systems, and each does separate caches of R/W data that are completely ignorant of each other. Without something like AFS or GFS to coordinate writes, you get bad corruption
Re: Progress on PL/1 for Linux
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine I know, I could feel the stirring all the way here.BG Seriously though, what's wrong with APL? It's got a good history behind it, a good track record behind it. Granted it has a less then stellar acceptance record, and its syntax is strange, and the only use that I can remember was in the construction of the S/360, and S/370 families. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Progress on PL/1 for Linux So I end up coding in whatever language I can get the task done most quickly and easily. Sometimes it's Rexx, sometimes it's assembler, sometimes it's fortran, sometimes it's C, sometimes it's shell script. Makes for Job Security, because often I'll have one module call another and they're not written in the same language and no one but me can follow it. The Force is strong in this one8-). Shades of VMS. I always liked the fact that VMS Engineering deliberately coded at least one important system utility in each DEC-supported language in order to require the marketing nitwits to ship all the run-time libraries for all the supported language compilers pre-installed at no charge to the customer. Hmm. There may be a moral here. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- 390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Slack/390 - Slackware Linux for the mainframe
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine Same here. I run Slackware-9.1 for my work. I'd be running Slackware-10.0 except I can't get the X server to run normally on this box. Next time it will be running on my backup system. And Mark, Richard, everyone, great work. Oh, and you too, as well, Mike. Richard, don't you know what happened to the Gentoo people? They are off molting, and raising more penguins. That was a bad joke at the expense of the penguin colonies at two places here in the City. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ranga Nathan Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Slack/390 - Slackware Linux for the mainframe My geek friends and I love Slackware. It has been powering my development server for over 5 years (Slackware 7). It is nice to know that it is available for S390. Great work. When I get an IFL, it will be time to put it on. Thanks Richard and the team! Great work! __ Ranga Nathan / CSG Systems Programmer - Specialist; Technical Services; BAX Global Inc. Irvine-California Tel: 714-442-7591 Fax: 714-442-2840 Richard Pinion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/07/2004 06:00 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Slack/390 - Slackware Linux for the mainframe Please don't do like the Gentoo people did, put it out there and then disappear! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/07/04 03:16AM Cross-posted to Linux-390, VMESA-L, and IBM-Main. General Information: I am pleased and proud to announce that a new Linux/390 distribution is now available for public testing. Slack/390 is the official port of Slackware. Linux to the IBM mainframe platform. It is a Free/Libre, and free (no charge) Linux/390 distribution that anyone can download and use as they see fit. Based on the recently released Slackware Linux 10.0 for Intel, Slack/390 is intended to closely track the development of Slackware. This will include maintenance and security fixes as appropriate, whether driven by what happens for the Slackware Intel platform, or by the needs of Linux/390. There are actually three versions available: 9.0, 9.1, and 10.0. The most recent version, 10.0, is still identified by the traditional -current Slackware label, meaning that it should be considered in unstable/development status until further testing can bring it to a GA level. This sounds more dangerous than it really is. Since the Intel platform is GA, not much will be changing for the current version of Slack/390 except what is necessary to correct problems with the installer, etc. This is where I plan on investing most of my attention, as should anyone who wants to give this distribution a try. I am providing the two older versions simply because they exist, and have been working well for me as development platforms. (Also, some packages just won't compile with newer versions of gcc, etc.) Support: Like some other Free/Libre Linux/390 distributions, there will be no formal support for Slack/390. I do want Slack/390 to be successful in terms of being useful to people, so I will be making an effort to fix things that are broken. I'm just not in a position to guarantee that. My intent is that the Linux-390 mailing list will be the forum where bugs are reported and fixed. Distribution Contents: Some of the major components of Slack/390 -current are: - Linux 2.4.26 kernel, with an optional 2.4.21 kernel for people who want to stick with what IBM is supporting via their patches on developerWorks. There will also be a 2.6.x kernel in the /testing directory of the FTP server. - glibc 2.3.2 - gcc 3.3.4, with gcc 3.4.0 in /testing. - binutils 2.15.90.0.3 - Apache 1.3.31 - CUPS 1.1.20 - LVM 1.0.8 - Support for ext2, ext3, JFS, and reiserfs file systems. Optional support for XFS. - OpenSSH 3.8.1p1 - OpenSSL 0.9.7d - Perl 5.8.4 - S390 Tools 1.2.4 - Sendmail 8.12.11 - bootshell - cmsfs 1.1.8 - cpint 1.1.6 Installation: Specifying network and DASD parameters in the kernel parameter file can make getting into the actual installation almost automatic. Sample parameter files are provided to illustrate what can be done. The installer supports several methods of getting the software onto your target system: - NFS - SMB/CIFS - another DASD partition - a pre-mounted directory Most people will probably use either the NFS or SMB/CIFS methods. More Information: For more information, see the official web site for Slack/390: http://www.slack390.org/ For download information: http
