Re: AW: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
Hi, On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 08:41:23AM -0600, Dave Jones wrote: I believe IBM is working on a piece of Linux software that will allow ASCII (SSH) logons to z/VM Linux guests that do not have networking available, using the IUCV device driver. to drive the Linux console interface from another Linux guest that does have networking up. I haven't heard anything about when such a capability will be available, though. thats true - this support is already in the mainline kernel. See: http://kerneltrap.org/index.php?q=mailarchive/git-commits-head/2008/12/28/4516104 But I think there is currently no user-space console application available on developerworks. Maybe writing a simple iucv socket client would provide a temporary solution... Best regards Marc Schöchlin -- -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: AW: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
Hi, Horst. Yes, that's a good approach and it does work well. The main problem is that many sites will not allow access to the HMC by mere mortal system programmers. :-) I believe IBM is working on a piece of Linux software that will allow ASCII (SSH) logons to z/VM Linux guests that do not have networking available, using the IUCV device driver. to drive the Linux console interface from another Linux guest that does have networking up. I haven't heard anything about when such a capability will be available, though. Rempel, Horst wrote: Hello Tom, since I have z/VM 5.4.0 running on our z9 I prefer to use the SYSASCII console. SYSASCII is a JAVA emulation for a ASCII console. You can use VI editor to change files, YAST to customize your linux and Ctrl+C. I really like this possibility. I do 'attach sysa to lx100', then start the SYSASCII on the HMC, and press enter. After that I see the lx100 login screen. And this works without any active networkadapter in the linux. kind regards, mit freundlichen Grüßen, Horst Rempel BG-Chemie Germany -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] Im Auftrag von Tom Duerbusch Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 19:58 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface I know this topic has been discussed, but looking thru the archives, I keep finding similar topics, but not exactly the same Using the 3270 console interface...that is... logon Linux68 when linux is finished coming up, if you hit enter, sometimes you get: login: Now, you are a line mode device (3215?) being emulated on a 3270 session. What is a good line mode editor? I thought VI or VIM would be, but you need an ESC key, plus when you vi a member, it streams the member out to the console. And, of course, the cursor commands H, J, K and L don't really work in this world. I'm looking for options when I bring up the rescue system (sles 10.2). Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
When you say 'line editor' - that's exactly what you are forced to use.. for example sed. You won't be able to use a 'fullscreen' editor unless you use an ascii console.. vi/vim/nano are all fullscreen editors. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Tom Duerbusch duerbus...@stlouiscity.comwrote: I know this topic has been discussed, but looking thru the archives, I keep finding similar topics, but not exactly the same Using the 3270 console interface...that is... logon Linux68 when linux is finished coming up, if you hit enter, sometimes you get: login: Now, you are a line mode device (3215?) being emulated on a 3270 session. What is a good line mode editor? I thought VI or VIM would be, but you need an ESC key, plus when you vi a member, it streams the member out to the console. And, of course, the cursor commands H, J, K and L don't really work in this world. I'm looking for options when I bring up the rescue system (sles 10.2). Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
Tom Duerbusch wrote: What is a good line mode editor? ex is the traditional Unix line mode editor, written for just such environments. It's the dark side of vi :) man ex -- Jack J. Woehr# I run for public office from time to time. It's like http://www.well.com/~jax # working out at the gym, you sweat a lot, don't get http://www.softwoehr.com # anywhere, and you fall asleep easily afterwards. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
On Wednesday 28 January 2009 14:01, Scott Rohling wrote: When you say 'line editor' - that's exactly what you are forced to use.. for example sed. You won't be able to use a 'fullscreen' editor unless you use an ascii console.. vi/vim/nano are all fullscreen editors. Actually, sed is a script editor. The classic line editor is ed. And vi is the visual editor. Why it wasn't called ved, I don't know. :-) - MacK. - Edmund R. MacKenty Software Architect Rocket Software 275 Grove Street · Newton, MA 02466-2272 · USA Tel: +1.617.614.4321 Email: m...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
I use sed and also use echo a lot too from the console. Don't forget to use the to add to file :) else you then need to echo in every line again. I'm going to try the ex now that would be great. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Edmund R. MacKenty Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:09 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface On Wednesday 28 January 2009 14:01, Scott Rohling wrote: When you say 'line editor' - that's exactly what you are forced to use.. for example sed. You won't be able to use a 'fullscreen' editor unless you use an ascii console.. vi/vim/nano are all fullscreen editors. Actually, sed is a script editor. The classic line editor is ed. And vi is the visual editor. Why it wasn't called ved, I don't know. :-) - MacK. - Edmund R. MacKenty Software Architect Rocket Software 275 Grove Street * Newton, MA 02466-2272 * USA Tel: +1.617.614.4321 Email: m...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
man ex gives me the man page for vi. ex being an short way to start up vi and put it in ex mode. And when I try ex, yep, that's vi G. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Jack Woehr j...@well.com 1/28/2009 12:58 PM Tom Duerbusch wrote: What is a good line mode editor? ex is the traditional Unix line mode editor, written for just such environments. It's the dark side of vi :) man ex -- Jack J. Woehr# I run for public office from time to time. It's like http://www.well.com/~jax # working out at the gym, you sweat a lot, don't get http://www.softwoehr.com # anywhere, and you fall asleep easily afterwards. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
Tom, for most 'simple' file editing that needs to be done from the 3270 console (i.e., before the network is available), I've found that the 'ed' editor works well. It's command set is small and easy for me to remember. Jack Woehr wrote: Tom Duerbusch wrote: What is a good line mode editor? ex is the traditional Unix line mode editor, written for just such environments. It's the dark side of vi :) man ex -- Jack J. Woehr# I run for public office from time to time. It's like http://www.well.com/~jax # working out at the gym, you sweat a lot, don't get http://www.softwoehr.com # anywhere, and you fall asleep easily afterwards. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
However, it is not on the rescue system. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com 1/28/2009 1:39 PM Tom, for most 'simple' file editing that needs to be done from the 3270 console (i.e., before the network is available), I've found that the 'ed' editor works well. It's command set is small and easy for me to remember. Jack Woehr wrote: Tom Duerbusch wrote: What is a good line mode editor? ex is the traditional Unix line mode editor, written for just such environments. It's the dark side of vi :) man ex -- Jack J. Woehr# I run for public office from time to time. It's like http://www.well.com/~jax # working out at the gym, you sweat a lot, don't get http://www.softwoehr.com # anywhere, and you fall asleep easily afterwards. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
On Jan 28, 2009, at 2:03 PM, Tom Duerbusch wrote: However, it is not on the rescue system. Well, then, submit that to the vendor as a requirement. After all, ed is the standard text editor. http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
Ok got around the problem of ed not being on the rescue system. Use ed from the installed system (duh). /mnt/bin/ed filename So far, my testing using the rescue system, ed is the right tool. Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com 1/28/2009 1:39 PM Tom, for most 'simple' file editing that needs to be done from the 3270 console (i.e., before the network is available), I've found that the 'ed' editor works well. It's command set is small and easy for me to remember. Jack Woehr wrote: Tom Duerbusch wrote: What is a good line mode editor? ex is the traditional Unix line mode editor, written for just such environments. It's the dark side of vi :) man ex -- Jack J. Woehr# I run for public office from time to time. It's like http://www.well.com/~jax # working out at the gym, you sweat a lot, don't get http://www.softwoehr.com # anywhere, and you fall asleep easily afterwards. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
'vi' will come up clean on a (dialed) 3270 (or the console if you did a #CP TERM CONMODE 3270 before bringing up Linux). You will still have pain w/r/t the Esc key. The 3270 driver honors the cursor positioning and text highlighting protocol used by a DEC VT220 (roughly ANSI X3.64). With a (dialed) 3270, the PF keys will also work, so one could easily write a full-screen text-mode ASCII application that works equally well on either an ASCII terminal or on the 3270. No one seems to get this. UTS had (has!) the same capability. This is nothing new! -- R; -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
Wow - thanks Rick - I hadn't played with conmode 3270 or dialing.. thanks for reminding us -- Scott On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Rick Troth r...@casita.net wrote: 'vi' will come up clean on a (dialed) 3270 (or the console if you did a #CP TERM CONMODE 3270 before bringing up Linux). You will still have pain w/r/t the Esc key. The 3270 driver honors the cursor positioning and text highlighting protocol used by a DEC VT220 (roughly ANSI X3.64). With a (dialed) 3270, the PF keys will also work, so one could easily write a full-screen text-mode ASCII application that works equally well on either an ASCII terminal or on the 3270. No one seems to get this. UTS had (has!) the same capability. This is nothing new! -- R; -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Tom Duerbusch wrote: ... Use ed from the installed system (duh). /mnt/bin/ed filename nice ...:-) -- R; -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
AW: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface
Hello Tom, since I have z/VM 5.4.0 running on our z9 I prefer to use the SYSASCII console. SYSASCII is a JAVA emulation for a ASCII console. You can use VI editor to change files, YAST to customize your linux and Ctrl+C. I really like this possibility. I do 'attach sysa to lx100', then start the SYSASCII on the HMC, and press enter. After that I see the lx100 login screen. And this works without any active networkadapter in the linux. kind regards, mit freundlichen Grüßen, Horst Rempel BG-Chemie Germany -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] Im Auftrag von Tom Duerbusch Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Januar 2009 19:58 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Good editor for under the 3270 console interface I know this topic has been discussed, but looking thru the archives, I keep finding similar topics, but not exactly the same Using the 3270 console interface...that is... logon Linux68 when linux is finished coming up, if you hit enter, sometimes you get: login: Now, you are a line mode device (3215?) being emulated on a 3270 session. What is a good line mode editor? I thought VI or VIM would be, but you need an ESC key, plus when you vi a member, it streams the member out to the console. And, of course, the cursor commands H, J, K and L don't really work in this world. I'm looking for options when I bring up the rescue system (sles 10.2). Thanks Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
