Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-10-04 Thread Paul Dembry
Thanks guys it works now. Lessons from the experience:

1. Just because you can get stuff from the Novell FTP server doesn't mean
that you should. Use the publically available downloads.
2. Give your Hercules machine at least 512 MB, preferably 1GB. I was
initially using a 256MB machine and it was painfully slow, eg. 30-40 minutes
between installation panels.
3. Don't use anything but a 3390-3 for the installation disks. I tried a
3390-9 and dasdfmt said that it was formatting 9 cylinders. After
the installation, I have been able to add 3390-9 disks.

I cannot get LVM to work at all. It's still very slow compared to other
operating systems running on the same Hercules installation but part of this
could be because I am using NFS to access the disks. Perhaps there are some
tuning knobs that I can tweak. Suse is constantly hitting the drives and
spinning the (emulated) CPU.
Paul



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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-29 Thread Bates, Bob
OK. I'm not sure if this will help but I ran into a problem installing SUSE 9 
under zVM 5.1. Could not get the dasd to partition. Or it seemed to partition 
but couldn't use it, it's been a while. Anyway, the way I got around it was to 
format the disks in CMS first, then start the install. The system then 
formatted them correctly and I was able to complete the install without any 
more problems. 

Strange but true.

Bob

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 I only use 3390-3 emulated DASD on Hercules. Who knows, some day I might
 actually be able to get a z/Linux system on my work zSeries machine. It
 would be nice to just backup my Hercules disk images in some manner
 which would allow them to be restored on real zSeries DASD and IPL'ed.
 Again, I'm weird.
Hmm perhaps SUSE s390 has a problem with a 3390-9 ( 2GB?). Seems odd but
I'll try it again. On my last try, I looked around before starting yast. I
found fdasd and I used it to create my partitions, eg

fdasd /dev/dasda
fdasd /dev/dasdb

I then started the yast install procedure. The System Information section
found my drives as usual and also showed the partitions. But when I got to
the actual install, it still insisted that it could not create a partition
proposal and when I opened up the partitioning section, my partitions were
not there. Perhaps a clue. Anyway I'll try with a smaller system DASD and
see what happens. Once I get this to work, I would next like to get LVM to
work as well. Thanks for all the help! If I can just get past this point, I
think I will have it installed. Centos was nice but neither Oracle nor DB2
install on it. BTW are you running S390 or S390x SUSE?
Paul



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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-29 Thread Paul Dembry
 OK. I'm not sure if this will help but I ran into a problem installing
SUSE 9 under zVM 5.1. Could not get the dasd to partition. Or it seemed to
partition but couldn't use it, it's been a while. Anyway, the way I got
around it was to format the disks in CMS first, then start the install. The
system then formatted them correctly and I was able to complete the install
without any more problems.

Thanks Bob. Someday I'll get around to installing VM over Hercules
although I'm not sure that it's legal to do so. I have to check on that
first. It sure would make life easier though.
Paul



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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-29 Thread Adam Thornton

On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:17 AM, Paul Dembry wrote:


OK. I'm not sure if this will help but I ran into a problem
installing

SUSE 9 under zVM 5.1. Could not get the dasd to partition. Or it
seemed to
partition but couldn't use it, it's been a while. Anyway, the way I
got
around it was to format the disks in CMS first, then start the
install. The
system then formatted them correctly and I was able to complete the
install
without any more problems.

Thanks Bob. Someday I'll get around to installing VM over Hercules
although I'm not sure that it's legal to do so. I have to check on
that
first. It sure would make life easier though.


I am pretty confident that it is, *if* VM is running in Hercules
which is running on a Linux instance which is a guest of VM on the
system that VM is licensed to.

No, this is not a practical way to run VM.

But it WAS cool seeing z/VM 4.4 come up (very very very slowly) in 64-
bit mode on a 31-bit H70!

Adam

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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-29 Thread John Summerfield

Adam Thornton wrote:

On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:17 AM, Paul Dembry wrote:


OK. I'm not sure if this will help but I ran into a problem
installing


SUSE 9 under zVM 5.1. Could not get the dasd to partition. Or it
seemed to
partition but couldn't use it, it's been a while. Anyway, the way I
got
around it was to format the disks in CMS first, then start the
install. The
system then formatted them correctly and I was able to complete the
install
without any more problems.

Thanks Bob. Someday I'll get around to installing VM over Hercules
although I'm not sure that it's legal to do so. I have to check on
that
first. It sure would make life easier though.



I am pretty confident that it is, *if* VM is running in Hercules
which is running on a Linux instance which is a guest of VM on the
system that VM is licensed to.

No, this is not a practical way to run VM.

But it WAS cool seeing z/VM 4.4 come up (very very very slowly) in 64-
bit mode on a 31-bit H70!



I tell you, he's a nut. Next he'll be telling you he's run Windows on
his zBox.



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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread McKown, John
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 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
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 Subject: Suse S390 help?
 
 
 Does this list deal at all with SUSE on S390? I'm trying to 
 install SUSE
 S390 over the Hercules S390 emulator and am having a problem.
 Paul
 

Maybe. Can't hurt to ask so, ask away. I have successfully installed
SLES-10-RC3 on Hercules/390 running on an AMD Athlon64 running SLES 10.1
at home. As my college Russian teacher used to say: Easy! Easy! (she
was a native Russian trying to teach Texans, poor lady!)


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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Paul Dembry
 Maybe. Can't hurt to ask so, ask away. I have successfully installed
 SLES-10-RC3 on Hercules/390 running on an AMD Athlon64 running SLES 10.1
 at home. As my college Russian teacher used to say: Easy! Easy! (she
 was a native Russian trying to teach Texans, poor lady!)
Thanks. I get all the way to the install when it is partitioning the drives
and it fails trying to write the disk label on /dev/dasda. Your Russian
teacher was correct, it was Easy! Easy! right up to this point. The error
message is

Storage Modification Failed
System Error -1007

Trying to write disk label msdos to /dev/dasda

Not obvious why SUSE would want to write a disk label of msdos to
/dev/dasda.
Regards,
Paul



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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Post, Mark K
What version of SUSE is this, by the way?  That might be helpful.


Mark Post 

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 Maybe. Can't hurt to ask so, ask away. I have successfully installed
 SLES-10-RC3 on Hercules/390 running on an AMD Athlon64 running SLES
10.1
 at home. As my college Russian teacher used to say: Easy! Easy! (she
 was a native Russian trying to teach Texans, poor lady!)
Thanks. I get all the way to the install when it is partitioning the
drives
and it fails trying to write the disk label on /dev/dasda. Your Russian
teacher was correct, it was Easy! Easy! right up to this point. The
error
message is

Storage Modification Failed
System Error -1007

Trying to write disk label msdos to /dev/dasda

Not obvious why SUSE would want to write a disk label of msdos to
/dev/dasda.
Regards,
Paul

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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Paul Dembry
 Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:46 PM
 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
 Subject: Re: Suse S390 help?
 
 
  Maybe. Can't hurt to ask so, ask away. I have successfully installed
  SLES-10-RC3 on Hercules/390 running on an AMD Athlon64 
 running SLES 10.1
  at home. As my college Russian teacher used to say: Easy! 
 Easy! (she
  was a native Russian trying to teach Texans, poor lady!)
 Thanks. I get all the way to the install when it is 
 partitioning the drives
 and it fails trying to write the disk label on /dev/dasda. 
 Your Russian
 teacher was correct, it was Easy! Easy! right up to this 
 point. The error
 message is
 
 Storage Modification Failed
 System Error -1007
 
 Trying to write disk label msdos to /dev/dasda
 
 Not obvious why SUSE would want to write a disk label of msdos to
 /dev/dasda.
 Regards,
 Paul

The only question that comes to my mind is whether you told the
installed to do a dasdfmt of the volume in question?  The Hercules
dasdinit is not sufficient (even though required) because it does not
format the tracks into 4K records that z/Linux requires. Why msdos
indeed? What filesystem type did you choose? I used ext3, not ResierFS.
SUSE seems to be enamored of ResierFS for some reason. But I remember
seeing messages here about it not being the best idea on the s390
version of z/Linux.

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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Jay Maynard
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 12:59:09PM -0500, McKown, John wrote:
 The only question that comes to my mind is whether you told the
 installed to do a dasdfmt of the volume in question?The Hercules
 dasdinit is not sufficient (even though required) because it does not
 format the tracks into 4K records that z/Linux requires.

However, if you give dasdinit the -linux option, it will do the necessary
formatting.

 SUSE seems to be enamored of ResierFS for some reason. But I remember
 seeing messages here about it not being the best idea on the s390
 version of z/Linux.

I don't know of anyone who recommends ReiserFS for general production use on
any platform.
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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread McKown, John
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 production use on
 any platform.
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As to that, all I can say is that the SUSE installer that I used has
ReiserFS as the default filesystem and I had to remember to change it
to ext3.

Thanks for the -linux switch. I am likely behind in my Hercules/390
stuff due to lack to time to mess around any more. Too busy at work
and too ill at home (anemia can really put one off).

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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Peter Webb, Toronto Transit Commission
I recently installed Xandros Desktop 4 on my home PC, and it uses
ReiserFS. (Okay, so maybe you can't call that 'Production' use.)

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On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 12:59:09PM -0500, McKown, John wrote:
 The only question that comes to my mind is whether you told the
 installed to do a dasdfmt of the volume in question?The
Hercules
 dasdinit is not sufficient (even though required) because it does
not
 format the tracks into 4K records that z/Linux requires.

However, if you give dasdinit the -linux option, it will do the
necessary
formatting.

 SUSE seems to be enamored of ResierFS for some reason. But I remember
 seeing messages here about it not being the best idea on the s390
 version of z/Linux.

I don't know of anyone who recommends ReiserFS for general production
use on
any platform.
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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Paul Dembry
 The only question that comes to my mind is whether you told the
 installed to do a dasdfmt of the volume in question? The Hercules
 dasdinit is not sufficient (even though required) because it does not
 format the tracks into 4K records that z/Linux requires. Why msdos
 indeed? What filesystem type did you choose? I used ext3, not ResierFS.
 SUSE seems to be enamored of ResierFS for some reason. But I remember
 seeing messages here about it not being the best idea on the s390
 version of z/Linux.
I used the -linux option on dasdinit but I think I did also use resierfs.
I'm installing again using ext3 to see if that makes a difference.
Paul



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Re: Suse S390 help? ReiserFS

2006-09-28 Thread Phil Tully

I have implemented production workloads with an early version of
ReiserFs, we did some analysis that showed ext3 and Reiser have
different performance sweet spots,  one works better for a large number
of small files, the other works better for a small number of large files.

The decision to go Reiser did cause problems when we encountered an
error in Reiser lock  which would hang our server with no indication why
other than it was the filesystem caused hang.   When the problem was
identified and resolved (after 9 painful months) the performance was
very good.

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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Paul Dembry
 What version of SUSE is this, by the way?  That might be helpful.
SUSE 10.0 RC4
Paul


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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 13:36 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:
 I don't know of anyone who recommends ReiserFS for general production use on
 any platform.

There are people on this forum whom I respect a great deal, and who
recommend against reiserfs on s390.  Nevertheless I run reiserfs on
three intelboxes 24x7, and I haven't seen filesystem corruption for 18
months.

Based on that experience I like reiserfs on x86, if you have lots and
lots of little files.  I'll defer to the experts in the case of s390
with, perhaps, fewer small files and more large ones.

(So Jay... now you know exactly ONE person who recommends reiserfs for
general production use on ONE platform.)

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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Paul Dembry
 The only question that comes to my mind is whether you told the
 installed to do a dasdfmt of the volume in question? The Hercules
 dasdinit is not sufficient (even though required) because it does not
 format the tracks into 4K records that z/Linux requires. Why msdos
 indeed? What filesystem type did you choose? I used ext3, not ResierFS.
 SUSE seems to be enamored of ResierFS for some reason. But I remember
 seeing messages here about it not being the best idea on the s390
 version of z/Linux.
I chose Ext3 this time, same problem. I had install format the drives during
the System analysis phase when it found the drives. I Activate them, then
Format them. BTW there is an option there, Use DIAG. What's DIAG? Should I
have told it to dasdfmt in the partition screen? That's what I'll do next.
It's a bit slow, about 30 minutes to format a 10GB 3390.
Paul



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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Adam Thornton

On Sep 28, 2006, at 1:59 PM, David Andrews wrote:

Based on that experience I like reiserfs on x86, if you have lots and
lots of little files.  I'll defer to the experts in the case of s390
with, perhaps, fewer small files and more large ones.


I haven't been back to it in a long time.

I was using it with a whole lot of very small files on s390.

Under extreme load, eventually Reiserfs ate itself and died
horrifically and unrecoverably.  I was not pleased.  This was about 2
years ago now, but, well, I have other filesystems that don't do that
to me, so I haven't felt like trying Reiserfs again.

Adam

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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Paul Dembry
 I know that I succeeded with SLES-10-RC3 installation and I did, indeed,
 tell it to do a dasdfmt on the installation. And then I went to bed
 for the night. My Athlon64 3800+ gets about 25 emulated MIPS under
 Hercules.
Do you recall if you had to lay out the partitions yourself? The installer
always comes up saying that it cannot create an automatic proposal for disk
partitioning (something like that).
Paul



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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Paul Dembry
 I know that I succeeded with SLES-10-RC3 installation and I did, indeed,
 tell it to do a dasdfmt on the installation. And then I went to bed
 for the night. My Athlon64 3800+ gets about 25 emulated MIPS under
 Hercules.
Hmm when I choose dasdfmt in the partition screen, I get the hourglass for a
few seconds and then nothing. Continuing onward, it fails again with the
same thing, trying to set the disk label of /dev/dasda to msdos. I installed
Centos Linux on this Hercules as well other OSs and they work so I'm
confident of our Hercules installation, there's just something about this
SUSE. My next attempt is to dasdinit the 3390-9 again w/o -linux, not format
it during the System Analysis phase, and tell it to dasdfmt during the
partition phase.

Do you recall what disk device type you used? I have them defined as

0120 3390 /hercules/suse390/dasd/linux.120
0121 3390 /hercules/suse390/dasd/linux.121

and in dasdinit, I used 3390-2 and 3390-9 as the device types. BTW I'm
running Hercules on our SUSE 9 system.
Thanks,
Paul



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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Post, Mark K
Yes.  Jay said that the -linux option for dasdinit should do the same
thing for you, but I think it's worth trying.  If that works, when
-linux didn't then you can file a bug report with Jay.  :)  If not, then
we're definitely into unknown territory here.


Mark Post

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Subject: Re: Suse S390 help?

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Should I have told it to dasdfmt in the partition screen? That's what
I'll do next.  It's a bit slow, about 30 minutes to format a 10GB 3390.
Paul

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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread John Summerfield

David Andrews wrote:

On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 13:36 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:


I don't know of anyone who recommends ReiserFS for general production use on
any platform.



There are people on this forum whom I respect a great deal, and who
recommend against reiserfs on s390.  Nevertheless I run reiserfs on
three intelboxes 24x7, and I haven't seen filesystem corruption for 18
months.

Based on that experience I like reiserfs on x86, if you have lots and
lots of little files.  I'll defer to the experts in the case of s390
with, perhaps, fewer small files and more large ones.

(So Jay... now you know exactly ONE person who recommends reiserfs for
general production use on ONE platform.)



I'm sure there are lots of people for whom it works, but _I_ see too
many reports of problems to be at all interested in using it. First time
I installed a SUSE, I did get reiserfs, and did use it briefly.

I like to chattr +a ~/.bash_history and my recollection is that that
didn't work.




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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread McKown, John
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 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
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  I know that I succeeded with SLES-10-RC3 installation and I did, 
  indeed, tell it to do a dasdfmt on the installation. And 
 then I went 
  to bed for the night. My Athlon64 3800+ gets about 25 emulated MIPS 
  under Hercules.
 Do you recall if you had to lay out the partitions yourself? 
 The installer always comes up saying that it cannot create an 
 automatic proposal for disk partitioning (something like that). Paul
 

Yes, I always do my own partitioning! I'm really, really weird.

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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Paul Dembry

I only use 3390-3 emulated DASD on Hercules. Who knows, some day I might
actually be able to get a z/Linux system on my work zSeries machine. It
would be nice to just backup my Hercules disk images in some manner
which would allow them to be restored on real zSeries DASD and IPL'ed.
Again, I'm weird.

Hmm perhaps SUSE s390 has a problem with a 3390-9 ( 2GB?). Seems odd but
I'll try it again. On my last try, I looked around before starting yast. I
found fdasd and I used it to create my partitions, eg

fdasd /dev/dasda
fdasd /dev/dasdb

I then started the yast install procedure. The System Information section
found my drives as usual and also showed the partitions. But when I got to
the actual install, it still insisted that it could not create a partition
proposal and when I opened up the partitioning section, my partitions were
not there. Perhaps a clue. Anyway I'll try with a smaller system DASD and
see what happens. Once I get this to work, I would next like to get LVM to
work as well. Thanks for all the help! If I can just get past this point, I
think I will have it installed. Centos was nice but neither Oracle nor DB2
install on it. BTW are you running S390 or S390x SUSE?
Paul



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Re: Suse S390 help?

2006-09-28 Thread Paul Dembry

I only use 3390-3 emulated DASD on Hercules. Who knows, some day I might
actually be able to get a z/Linux system on my work zSeries machine. It
would be nice to just backup my Hercules disk images in some manner
which would allow them to be restored on real zSeries DASD and IPL'ed.

Well using just 3390-3 dasds did not work either. This is really getting
irritating. John, can you send me your hercules configuration file? Maybe
I'm doing something stupid here. This is what I am using:
#
# Configuration file for Hercules emulator
#

CPUSERIAL 000611
CPUMODEL 3090
MAINSIZE 512
XPNDSIZE 0
CNSLPORT 3270
HTTPPORT 8081
NUMCPU 1
LOADPARM 0120
SYSEPOCH 1900
#TZOFFSET -0800
TODDRAG 1
ARCHMODE ESA/390
PANRATE FAST
OSTAILOR LINUX
#PGMPRDOS LICENSED
# .-Device number
# |.Device type
# ||   .File name
# ||   |
# VV   V
#---  
000E 1403 print00e.txt crlf
001F 3270
0580 3420 ickdsf.ipl
0120 3390 /hercules/suse390/dasd/linux.120
0121 3390 /hercules/suse390/dasd/linux.121
0200 3270
0201 3270
0202 3270
0700 3270
3270 3215
0E20.2 CTCI -n /dev/net/tun 192.0.2.26 192.0.2.2

Paul



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