Linux-Advocacy Digest #335
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 14:13:08 EDT Contents: Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: The Win/userbase! (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (drsquare) Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows (drsquare) Re: OT: The point of all of this... (was Re: Where is American pride?) (drsquare) Re: Antitrust DVD (Ray Chason) Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Sean Clarke) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Is Linux for me? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Tim Adams) Re: More micro$oft customer service (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: The Win/userbase! (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Is Linux for me? (Glitch) Re: Is Linux for me? (Ian Pegel) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Nik Simpson) Re: Linux wins again (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: So how many applications can Windows run on the IA-64? (Nico Coetzee) From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:42 +0100 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:06:32 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Tim Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sure there are. There just aren't very many, compared to HTML. Yet in all the times I've asked, nobody can direct me to anything but a stored PDF file NOT a PDF web page. It's the same thing. HTML is simply not the magic you seem to think it is. It's just a file stored on a server and served on demand, just like PDF. I have yet to see a site which uses PDF entirely in place of HTML. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:42 +0100 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:49:25 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare wrote: Simple: 1) Never run any untrusted EXE or ActiveX control. Most users don't know what EXE or ActiveX means. Most people suffer from a bad case of optimism bias. Are you trying to make a point? -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:43 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:03:58 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 1. It is just software, not an animal, partner, sex toy or any other exotic life necessity. 2. If you use Windows 2000 Pro, or Linux, then who cares? not me. How is someone using Windows or Linux going to affect me? its not, hence, it is not an issue. 3. Who cares what Microsoft does? I'm not worried about what Microsoft does in its secret under ground lear. You should be. Everyone who uses a computer should be. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:44 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:07:48 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Here is one even better, been running Windows 2000 Pro for 2 years, no virus scanner running or any other third party tools. I have had no virus's, cracks, hack's, or anyother shit. I used to run Nutscrape Scabpicker 4.77, now I am runing Mozilla 0.9.1. To get a virus, you either have to be really, really, really unlucky, or fucking stupid. Or unknowledgeable. -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Win/userbase! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:44 +0100 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:10:58 +1200, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Pete Goodwin wrote: I don't see how that's an advantage. I'd rather run a cat /dev/null /dev/hd* virus on linux than a format c: virus on windows. Why? Because linux gives Permission Denied! Unless you are root, of course. Who runs in root when using UNIX? Me. Luckily I haven't done TOO much damage yet (apart from delete various crucial files in /var) -- From: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:28:46 +0100 On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:38:36 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy, (Rich Soyack [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: drsquare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... But, whatever the risks are, it's reasonable to assume the more chances you take, the more likely you are to get AIDS. Which acts carry with it the most chances
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #335, Volume #34Tue, 8 May 01 17:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Shared library hell (Roberto Alsina) Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin) Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Roberto Alsina) Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin) Re: If Windows is supposed to be so thoroughly tested... (Mad.Scientist) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin) Re: Linux and MP3s (.) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Greg Cox) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) Subject: Re: Shared library hell Date: 8 May 2001 20:33:28 GMT Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perry Pip wrote: But with Linux, you can completely avoid these problems by first configuring your symbolic links correctly and then as needed using the features described above. Learn how to do both. libqt.so.2 - libqt.so.2.3.0 One app needs libqt.so.2.3.0, one needs libqt.so.2.3.4. Both use libqt.so.2 How do you solve that one, if libqt.so.2.3.4 and libqt.so.2.3.0 are built with different versions of gcc? The answer is easy - provided you have the sources. It's not so pleasant if you don't. If you don't have the sources, you need to wrap one of the apps in a small script that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH in a specific way to work around that problem. It will not use optimally your memory, but it is possible to have even many versions of the exact same version of a library installed, and tell which app uses which copy. -- Roberto Alsina -- From: Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left. Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 20:36:35 GMT Terry Porter wrote: When I chose recently to make the sources for my 3D scene editor open source (see http://mse.sourceforge.net/), Nice looking app. If only it was finished... sigh... (which one - the Linux or the Windows one?) Previously, there have been around 5000 downloads of my scene editor. 10 people contacted me, some offering to pay money for it. It's an interesting project (to me anyway) but it's not commercial. So why not open source? And you released it under the GPL. Three cheers for Pete Goodwin! the roar of applause Thank you! Thank you! the sound of a custard pie splatting OOoo! Custard cream! Luvit luvit! -- Pete -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) Subject: Re: Windos is *unfriendly* Date: 8 May 2001 20:35:39 GMT Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Porter wrote: Its further influenced byt the fine control over all aspects of networking that Linux gives me, unlike Windows where if the GUI doesnt have the fine control, I'm stuck. ... what else do you need? How do I set a per-host route on windows? (consumer version ;-) Mind you, I *can* configure that from a GUI on Linux, but I just can't find it in this windows control panel thingie. -- Roberto Alsina -- From: Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left. Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 20:38:07 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's all well and good, and commendable as well, but will the answer still be the same when others are cashing in on their work? In my case, according to GPL, you can't do that with my code. So... how can anyone 'cash in'? Unless of course, someone simply ignores the GPL. -- Pete -- From: Mad.Scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: If Windows is supposed to be so thoroughly tested... Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 20:11:20 -0500 Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy I just wonder why they spend billions on their products, but cannot stop a stack from overflowing (a source of many Illegal Operations). jtnews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... If Windows is supposed to be so thoroughly tested, then why do problems like this still exist in Windows? http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-5815298.html?tag=lh From CNET: Flaw found in common Internet standard By Robert Lemos Special to CNET News.com May 3, 2001, 2:30 p.m. PT The Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT) warned companies this week of security problems caused by a fundamental flaw in the way PCs and servers talk to each other across the Internet. .. .. .. According to the analysis completed by BindView, operating systems such as the Linux 2.2 kernel and the most recent version of OpenBSD create strong ISNs, while operating systems such as Windows 95, Windows 98, older versions of Windows NT, AIX and HPUX have relatively weak procedures for generating ISNs
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335, Volume #32 Mon, 19 Feb 01 23:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Font deuglification (David Steinberg)
Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux web pads? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: The Wintrolls (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (.)
Re: please help - modprobe cannot locate modules ("eissimuf")
Re: .NET is plain .NUTS (Bloody Viking)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (.)
Re: Linux web pads? (Ian Pulsford)
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (.)
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:34:55 -0500
Robert Surenko wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:57:50 GMT, Robert Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In comp.os.linux.misc Ian Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[deletia]
Then again, you are blathering about an historical even that
was caught on tape and who's firsthand witnesses are still
living.
Yes, but the experiment can not be repeated. In your previous
blatherings you claimed that the only way something can be known
is the Scientific Method, and it's reliable because the event can
be repeated.
You don't have to repeat the shooting...all you need to do is exhume
the body.
Are you willing to say that there are other methods to "know" something
except for the Scientific method. If so, how?
Will we know that JFK was shot until the last witness dies and then
we officially un-know it?
OTOH, it would not shatter my sanity to find out that it was
all a load of hooey. I'm more worried about whether or not a
CRT will suddenly electrocute me or if the wings of a 727
will rip off.
Me either, although I would have to change my old "historical fact"
that can't be proven with the Scientifc Method to something else.
Perhaps this, How do we know the American Revolutionary War happened?
No tapes, no living witnesses.
Here, you are only criticising a field of study (not necessarily
even a science) that most of the hard line materialists here
would themselves call "weak at best" anyways.
But that's the point, A Materialists claims that the Scientific
Method is the only way to know something.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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- Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Font deuglification
Date: 20 Feb 2001 03:35:15 GMT
Andres Soolo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: David Steinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: : need is the cmr fonts under X.
: I agree. Microsoft did a very good job of designing those fonts. If
: Microsoft? AFAIK, the cmr font family was designed by D. E. Knuth ...
Huh? Did I even read the post I responding to?
I really don't remember that las
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #335, Volume #31Mon, 8 Jan 01 11:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Why Hatred? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Why Hatred? ("Tom Wilson")
mail server with virtual ip? ("ID")
Re: KDE Hell (Roberto Alsina)
Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) ("Les Mikesell")
Re: You and Microsoft... ("tony roth")
Duh! -was: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("MH")
Re: KDE Hell (Roberto Alsina)
Re: KDE Hell (G.P. Hwang)
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (John Brock)
Re: Linux is not UNIX(tm) (Mart van deWege)
Re: Linux, it is great. (G.P. Hwang)
Re: Uptimes ("tony roth")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RPM Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RPM Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: .NET and Microsoft Anti-Piracy (was: Re: The 2.4.0 kernel was released at 4pm
pst.) (Mart van deWege)
Re: Why Hatred? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux, it is great. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Would Linux be invented if? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: KDE Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: You and Microsoft... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux *has* the EDGE! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: kernel problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Duh! -was: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ? (Craig Kelley)
Re: How the f*ck do I install .xpi plugins ? (Craig Kelley)
Re: kernel problems (Craig Kelley)
From: "Tom Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:32:05 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Tom Wilson wrote:
"Pete Goodwin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:bXN56.16755$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Tom Wilson wrote:
No...RPG-II and COBOL.
C and C++ are my primary languages
PASCAL, ASSEMBLER and PERL round out the top five.
Oops! Misread the context. I can understand why you hate RPG-II and
COBOL.
Delphi is Object Pascal. Ever tried Ada, Modula II or Oberon?
Ada, yes and no. I was part of a pilot program at my University to teach
it.
It still wasn't completely standardized at the time. It looked to have
potential but it was awfully weighty. I'm sure the final implementation
is
smaller and more cohesive.
Modula II is Pascal for anal-retentives g. A great language for
teaching
modular programming and data strutures. A bit too pedantic to do any
real
work with.
I thought Pascal was anal-retentive for practical use.
YOu mean Modula is even WORSE?
MODULE HELLOWORLD;
FROM InOut IMPORT WriteLn,WriteString,WriteInt;
VAR
SomeInt:INTEGER;
BEGIN
SomeInt:=5;
WriteLn;
WriteString("Hello World");
WriteLn;
WriteString("Each scalar type such as this int,");
WriteInt(SomeInt,1);
WriteString(", has its' own damned output function!");
WriteLn;
WriteString("Is this strong typing not anal-retentive???");
WriteLn;
WriteString("Also take note that each of these damned functions ");
WriteString("needed to be specifically imported by name...");
WriteLn;
WriteString("There are hundreds of functions among scores");
WriteString(" of different libraries...");
WriteLn;
WriteString("You spend more time looking them up than you");
WriteString(" do programming...");
WriteLn;
END HELLOWORLD.
Does this answer your question?
PS: Modula programmers, be kind. I'm sure there are some errors there... I
haven't even looked at a Modula II compiler in nearly 15 years.
--
Tom Wilson
Sunbelt Software Solutions
--
From: "Tom Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 14:36:07 GMT
"Donn Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Tom Wilson wrote:
Modula II is Pascal for anal-retentives g. A great language for
teaching
modular programming and data strutures. A bit too pedantic to do any
real
work with.
Hmmm... and what about Modula-3? Is this worth learning, or not? I
could install the M-3 development package on my machine, but I think I
have enough work cut out for me trying to learn and/or perfect my
knowledge of C, C++, Java, and Perl. It sounds like the above-mentioned
languages are a lot more common than Modula-3. But, I've seen people
mention that Modula-3 was a "great systems programming language". Gee,
and I here I thought C and C++ did this pretty well. 8-)
I'm totally clueless as to what Modula-3 is like. (This is the first
reference to it i've ever heard of it in fact)
I haven't touched Modula-II in at least 15 years. If Modula-3 is anything
like II, I'd just as soon do systems programming in machine code. It'd be a
lot less frus
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #335, Volume #30 Mon, 20 Nov 00 23:13:04 EST Contents: Re: Linux + KDE2 + hello world = 8( ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Corel To Dump Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (mlw) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns) Which distribution do I get? (T) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Mike Byrns) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux + KDE2 + hello world = 8( Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:30:16 GMT No. I am admitting I am not a programming geek and could care less about wasting my time writing in hieroglyphics that only another geek could love. And BTW the original poster of the message, you know the one who couldn't get that piece of CS 101 to work "IS" a programmer, so possibly you should explain klined.h to him instead because I don't know what the hell you are even talking about. claire On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:02:03 -0500, Matt Gaia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *thinks* *scratches head* _Why_ would you need klined.h or klineedit.h when programming something like "Hello World"? It's a fairly simple programming 101 bit of knowledge. C = gcc and stdio.h, and c++ = g++ and iostream.h . Or are you just proving to the rest of COLA your lack of programming skills too, Claire? :P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damm. That's the only C program I know and even "I" could make it work under Borland's Turbo-C and later Turbo C++. Looks like you better read the "Where are my Libraries" How-to :) claire -= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =- -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Corel To Dump Linux? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 03:31:02 GMT What a spin! You should be working for the Gore campaign. claire On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 02:24:08 GMT, sfcybear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are looking to sell linux to raise enough money to save the company. Seems they see a great value in Linux, if it can be used to save the company. In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (xza) wrote: Looks like Corel is trying to cut it`s loses and dump the Linux albatross around it`s neck. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2656226,00.html http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3785993.html?tag=st.ne.1002.thed.ni Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. -- From: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:37:05 -0500 Russ Lyttle wrote: Donovan Rebbechi wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:17:52 -0500, mlw wrote: Russ Lyttle wrote: If one were to time the execution of the code, it is possible that the C++ example will be faster because printf and its varients parse strings one character at a time, where as iostreams will accept a string parameter. Still, the end result is that the code snippet you present has nothing to do with C++, but of different designs. There was no reason one should have to code the C++ example any differently than the C example. There's a bunch of other points the example doesn't address: (*) The iostreams do much more than printf. The difference would decrease somewhat if the C program used more of the functionality that iostreams and strings make trivial. iostreams are C++. printf is C. You can't use iostreams in a C program and you can't use printf in C++ program. You can use printf in a C program disguised as a C++ program though. Where do you get that? printf is very much part of C++, if you think otherwise, you are very very confused. . (*) The difference does not increase proportional to program size. In fact the fact that C++ has destructors and a bunch of useful functionality in the string and stream classes could result in less code that is "inlined-by-hand". In any case, it seems doubtful that the size difference in favour of C would outweigh the safety of iostreams in a nontrivial program (unless size is *extremely* critical) Depends. In a kernel, the speed trade off is critical. In the TV example, size is critical with speed a close second. In both, safety is better in C due to tigher control over the compiler. Suffice to say, I have made mention of much C++ code I have done in kernel space. Often cod
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #335, Volume #29 Wed, 27 Sep 00 16:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why I hate Windows...
Re: Why I hate Windows...
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Mike Byrns)
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Mike Byrns)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How low can they go...?
Re: The Linux Experience
Re: High level design "chief" seeks "indians" ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: The Linux Experience ("Yannick")
Re: programming languages and design (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: The Linux Experience (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: The Linux Experience (Donovan Rebbechi)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:11:21 -
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:52 -0500, James Stutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Osugi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8qp2gf$6qu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article 8qj4rv$ric$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
"James Stutts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, the better approach is to not use a home operating system
(Win98)
in
a corporate environment. NT was designed for this. While not
perfect, it
is
far more stable than Win98.
JCS
Why should a "home" operating system be inherently unstable? Less
In this case, "home" is equivalent to "cheap". Commercial operating systems
are expensive.
No they aren't.
The engineering cost of software can be amortized over
HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of users. That argument simply has
no merit given the economies of scale involved with any
software.
powerful and less feature rich would be understandable (home users
In some ways, Win98 is more feature rich. Provided your primary interest
involves games.
Than what?
Only in a few boundary situations would Win98 be more 'feature rich'
even from a gaming standpoint than all of the other alternatives.
Quite simply, game companies need to exploit the same economies of
scale as any other software vendor. So being "too bleeding edge" isn't
really economically feasable for many developers.
So, many games aren't.
don't usually need 2 gig of ram or support for 16 processors), but
stability should be a given. Unfortunately MS seems to have convinced
many people that stability is a feature that you have to pay extra for.
BTW, isn't the typical home computer expected to work harder than a
business workstation? Games, scanners, digital cameras, printers, all
A "business workstation" isn't primarily used for desktop apps. That would
be
a "PC". My Win2k "business workstation" has been used for everything from
Monte Carlo simulations to CAD. Game graphics, while pretty, don't involve
geometries
with all that much complexity. The components available for the workstation
line of a
company like Dell are far more capable and expensive then their home line.
Unless you
really want to try to use an Oxygen GVX1 card for a game. Kind of a waste
for a $1k
graphics card...
Actually, you've not seen Quake III until you've seen it on an Oxygen.
[deletia]
That and the gap between 'pro' card and 'gamer' card has been
narrowing for quite some time now.
--
May you die in bed at 95, shot by a jealous spouse.
Must I hold a candle to my shames?
-- William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:15:37 -
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:52 -0500, James Stutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Osugi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8qp2gf$6qu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article 8qj4rv$ric$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
"James Stutts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[deletia]
A "business workstation" isn't primarily used for desktop apps. That would
be
a "PC". My Win2k "business workstation" has been used for everything from
Monte Carlo simulations to CAD. Game graphics, while pretty, don't involve
geometries
with all that much complexity. The components available for the workstation
line of a
company like Dell are far more capable and expensive then their home line.
Unless you
really want to try to use an Oxygen GVX1 card for a game. Kind of a waste
for a $1k
graphics card...
BTW, that Oxygen is a $700 card actually.
...and gamer cards go in the $300+ range.
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The only rose without thorns is friendship.
The better part o
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335, Volume #28 Thu, 10 Aug 00 04:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company ("JS/PL")
Re: No Gnome for me :-( ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
(Courageous)
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: - Windows has made me stupid !!! Thanks, Bill. (Windows is worst (Jacques Guy)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard ("Stephen S.
Edwards II")
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Pim van Riezen)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard ("Stephen S.
Edwards II")
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (Arthur Frain)
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (ZnU)
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company (ZnU)
Re: Is Linux the OS used in the space ships in "Star Trek" (Linux, OS of the Future
???)
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company ("JS/PL")
Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company ("JS/PL")
From: "JS/PL" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Big Brother and the Holding Company
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:50:58 -0400
Reply-To: "JS/PL" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Joseph" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
JS/PL wrote:
If I remember correctly, the links were posted as supporting opinion
that
Windows2K is extremely reliable. Posted because I was accused of having
no
credibility when I said it myself.
You have no credibility . How could anyone credibly say W2K is a reliable
OS -
W2K is too new and hasn't be in service long enough to prove itself.
Hotmail
still runs FreeBSD. That's why W2K deployment has been put on hold for
many
firms. It's still hard to get drivers for W2K. Get real.
Who cares what Hotmail runs? Whats's the point of changing the server? It's
just a company MS has purchased like 100's of others. There are employees
and hardware in place and I'd be real surprised if the service ever turns a
profit. Why sink dolloars retraining and purchasing un neccessary hardware
and software when the Hotmail doesn't make dime one.
AND you say:
"Deployment is on hold for many firms" huh?
That's pretty chicken shit don't you think?
I say "many firms" are switching over to Win2K. There's an equal statement
to yours.
WHAT firms are putting deployment on hold, if there are MANY FIRMS name a
few.
I believe Amazon.com was running their site with final release version of
Advanced Server a few weeks before the product was available to the general
public. Lets see...who else is running it...
Oh
Stratus http://www.stratus.com/news/2000/2000417ov.htm
You better go tell them Windows2000 hasn't been proven yet because they are
guaranteeing 99.999% unterupted computing on their servers running
Windows2000
Then you have Hewlett Packard who is installing the operating system on
80,000+ desktops worldwide. Hmmm - you better hurry up and call them to let
them know that their decision was made from non-credible information! There
might still be time to save them from impending doom!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: No Gnome for me :-(
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:04:14 GMT
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
Corel isn't *user friendly*. It's *windows cloney*. Including
resetting configuration files without being told to, replacing drivers
without being told to, screwing up left and right for no apparent
reason, and attempting to show you what an idiot you are at every turn
(just like Windows).
Stay away from Corel. Mandrake actually *is* user-friendly, and it
won't make you want to spit blood in the general direction of the moron
that directed you to it.
(Sorry, I'm feeling bitter over the *WINDOWS CLONING* experimentation
that's been going on lately.)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
Thanks for the input. I do always try to listen to all info from many before doinng
someting.
Sometimes I do make the wrong choice but that is what I have learned from.
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From: Courageous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:12:24 GMT
As for me, I'm MS certified professional (both in admin and development areas) who
detests
Unix.
Your bias is obvious, yes.
C//
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.a
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335, Volume #27 Sun, 25 Jun 00 16:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: stability of culture of helpfulness (Tim Palmer)
Re: Boring (Tim Palmer)
Re: Something wrong with linux :-( (Tim Palmer)
Re: Windows98 (Tim Palmer)
Re: Something wrong with linux :-( (Tim Palmer)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Cihl)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Cihl)
Re: The Linux Challenge ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Cihl)
Re: Comparing Windows NT and UNIX System Management (Cihl)
Re: Something wrong with linux :-( (Cihl)
RE: Microsoft and General Stupidity ("Pedro Iglesias")
Re: Yes, commercial OS are supported (Michael Marion)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
From: Tim Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: stability of culture of helpfulness
Date: 25 Jun 2000 15:41:44 -0500
On 19 Jun 2000 15:42:22 EDT, Dances With Crows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:02:32 GMT, Oliver Baker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] shouted forth into the ether:
Although I'm neither business savvy nor computer savvy, I'm writing an
article for a trade magazine on the subject of a big company that has
Interesting.
The business people at this
company consider Linux a great way to save money on computer support
costs--not just because they believe it to be more trouble-free, but
because they feel they can just log onto the net and get expert free
help any time, thus eliminating the need for most of their support
staff.
1)Does this make sense--that they could reduce their support staff? (and
if so, by how much? if anybody cares to make an estimate.)
Not really, at least not in the short term. Free help from Usenet is a
mixed bag. Sometimes you get exactly what you're looking for right away,
sometimes you get misleading information, sometimes you get flames,
sometimes you get completely ignored. Also, in the beginning of the
switchover, there would be a big need for some support staff onsite/easily
reachable as lots of users/admins run into common problems and/or get
confused.
After users settle in and get used to reading man pages/HTML docs,
...and after they get used to using ^P, ^N, ^B, and ^F insted of the arrow
keys, and after they get used
to having PgUp and PgDown only work sometiems, and after they get used
to using DEL insted of BACKSPACE and
after they get used to waiting for Netscape and after they get used to
tiping "mount" befoar loding a CD
support costs would
...go thru the roof. Youd shure make the UNIX gooru's happy, but the normle users
will hate halving to rede MAN pages all the time and use VI to eddit text
files.
drop. I think companies could have fewer people, but they
might need more competent people. (2 Unix BOFH-types at $90,000 each is
less expensive than 6 tech-support Bobs at $30,000 each, factoring in
health insurance/benefits/etc.) ICBW on all that, of course.
But you'd nead 20 teck-support Bob's to handel all the users hoo are going to be
calling to ask how to do things that wer eesy for them on Windos.
2) Is this culture of on-line helpfulness impervious to a)increasing
numbers of Linux users, b)increasing numbers of queries from Linux users
at companies who--it might be perceived--could afford to hire people to
generate in-house the answers they are instead getting through the
kindness of strangers.
Good question. soapboxI believe that I am *required* to help people
with Linux support, as my code's full of nasty quick hacks and I'm too
Doant' beet yourself up. Everyother Open Sore's programmer's coad is full
of nasty hack's and bugs to
Lie-nux is all maid up of nasty hack's thats' why it sucks so mutch.
poor to give loads of cash to the FSF, yet I need to give back to the
community in some way. As such, if I can help somebody, I will, whether
they're Joe Home User or Jane Corporate User. Linux has been built on a
culture of altruism and knowledge-sharing; we should keep it up as much as
possible and encourage those who've learned something to share it.
/soapbox
That said, I'd be more motivated, less sarcastic/bitchy, and able to help
more people if somebody were paying me by the hour to solve Linux
problems.
Maybe youd be abal to rite better coad to.
--
From: Tim Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Boring
Date: 25 Jun 2000 15:41:54 -0500
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:33:40 -0400, Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tim Palmer wrote:
Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Jorge Cueto wrote:
This newsgroup is starting to be bored ... I guess GNU/Linux has finally
won and Windows advocates can't just debate anymore :-)
I think the real problem with advocacy is that Linux has won.
Uhm, no. Not even close.
Wha
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335
Linux-Advocacy Digest #335, Volume #26Tue, 2 May 00 08:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots ("Cihl")
Re: Government to break up Microsoft ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots (Charlie Ebert)
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux from a Windows perspective (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots (Charlie Ebert)
Re: KDE is better than Gnome (Neil McAllister)
SV: Linux for a web developer ("Rolf C Stadheim")
Computer Terms.(was "Re: MS caught breaking web sites") (David Gillam)
Re: which OS is best? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots (mlw)
From: "Cihl" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 10:39:11 GMT
Will everbody -please- stop answering this kind of posts? The longer the
thread is, the more attention it attracts. Stop it! This is just a dumb
Windows-user scared by eventually having to learn something new.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in bericht
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
First off, Linux is a great operating system and given the proper
venue it is a good choice.
However, to believe for a moment that Linux could replace, or even
co-exist with Windows in the home environment is a pipe dream fantasy
of the Linux zealots.
As an example I offer up the home networking problem. The reality, and
it is a good one, is that home networking is becoming a big reality.
Families with children are competing with each other for internet
time, printers, scanners and so forth. Most new home construction
includes pre-wired Cat 5 cable as an option.
Anyway how is a home network with internet connection sharing, printer
sharing, scanner sharing and firewall set up easily under Linux?
Answer; it isn't.
Oh sure you can play with Samba if you happen to not have a
Win-printer and assuming you are able to figure out how to set it up
it might work ok. You can play with ip masquerading and ip-chains and
so forth, entering all kinds of crap in text files and so forth.
That is of course assuming you know what to enter. How many times in
the Linux help system do you see "ask your system administrator"
mentioned?
So who is the sys admin of a home network??
Know how you do all of the above with Windows 98se or Win2k?
Select internet connection sharing in help and the wizard does it all
for you.
Download ZoneAlarm for free and it works without a single amount of
input required by the user to configure it.
It simply asks you if you want a particular task to be allowed to take
place (Realplayer accessing the internet as an example).
Resource sharing?
Place a check in the sharing box...That's it..Wizard does it for you
when you select "How do I share my printer"
That's the way it should be.
I spent 3 weeks trying to get a network working under Linux and
finally gave up. And another thing, the default set up is a real
security risk even selecting Medium security under Mandrake. FTP,
Telnet and other ports were wide open.
Sorry Linux Zealots but you should read more of the the Linux
install/set up groups to see how many folks have had it up to their
ears with Linux and more will follow.
Take off the rose colored glasses and look into the world of reality
for a change. Linux is certainly improving, but it isn't even close to
Windows.
Windows is a much, much better choice.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 06:05:13 -0500
Leslie Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8eltgi$7p0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Bad example. Car manufacturers provide tremendous incentives to the
dealerships that sell the most product. The biggest or most aggressive
dealerships will get the first crack at new/desirable models and withold
product that the smaller dealers would like to have (but can't get).
I thought the MS contracts did not deal with absolute volume but
the fact that windows had to be included with every sale. The
obvious early target would have been Novell since machines purchased
as Netware servers had no use for Windows.
You thought wrong. Per processor liscenses ended something like 6 years
ago. Microsoft has used volume pricing since then. The more copies of
windows you sell, the lower your cost. Thus, to keep margins as high as
possible, you sell every system with Windows, or else you raise your price
of Windows by offering choice, due to less volume.
Novell may not need Windows, but it does need Dos (or at least it used to).
You had to load Netware from a Dos command prompt.
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From: Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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