Linux-Advocacy Digest #411
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 02:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: No More Linux! (.) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: the Boom, Boom department (Marada C. Shradrakaii) Re: No More Linux! (Donn Miller) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Paul Colquhoun) Re: Linux has one chance left. (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Les Mikesell) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Les Mikesell) Re: Linux in college high school (jtnews) Re: Shared library hell (Perry Pip) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Les Mikesell) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Les Mikesell) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) Subject: Re: No More Linux! Date: 11 May 2001 03:52:16 GMT Chris Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... . wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What will FreeBSD do for me (as a desktop non programmer user) that Linux can't? For you? Nothing. It has less sound apps and xwindows crashes exactly as much, you goddamned moron. Well, one thing he might like is the /usr/ports thingie. That way, he doesn't have to go searching all over creation for package/port dependencies. Or am I thinking about Pete Goodwin? The BSD /usr/ports thingie is a total pain-in-the-ass especially if you don't have a 24/7 T1 connection to the internet. Why do you think so many people who have a clue about BSD /usr/ports system start snickering when the BSD guys tell Windows losers how never had to put up with it about how great the ports system is? Here's a clue. It's *NOT* all that great. Sure it is, just not always. It depends very much on what youre using FreeBSD for in the first place. If you just go running around blindly doing make installs all over the ports tree, youre bound to break something eventually. But if you look at the makefiles inside the ports collection and come to understand them, you'll see that it really is an incredibly useful tool. =. -- From: JS PL hi everybody! Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:07:29 -0400 T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message MS stands convicted of monopolization and restraint of trade on three counts. Yet the indictment and trial was supposed to be about tying of a browser. http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f1700/1763.htm And the relief sought was supposed to be allow the broswer to be rejected by OEM's if they so pleased. Guess what happened to the case when Jackson and the DOJ got the slap down from the higher court on the Win95 injunction farce. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-330536.html Jackson set out on a mission to drastically expand the case in mid trial, shut down any attempt by Microsoft to adequately defend themselves against the new charges. Put the trial on the fast track and get back at Microsoft AND the appeals court for threatening his moment in the sun. His Swan Song so to speak. Jackson, has no grasp of the facts of the case because he single handedly turned it into an illegal lynching. His Finding of Facts were arrived at illegally. The appeals court will quite handily throw the whole thing out. I've seen some Chinese trials with more fairness than that DOJ vs MS thing! -- From: JS PL hi everybody! Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:08:48 -0400 T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message MS stands convicted of monopolization and restraint of trade on three counts. Yet the indictment and trial was supposed to be about tying of a browser. http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f1700/1763.htm And the relief sought was supposed to be allow the broswer to be rejected by OEM's if they so pleased. Guess what happened to the case when Jackson and the DOJ got the slap down from the higher court on the Win95 injunction farce. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-330536.html Jackson set out on a mission to drastically expand the case in mid
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411, Volume #33Fri, 6 Apr 01 02:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Craig Kelley)
Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? (667 Neighbor of the Beast)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Craig Kelley)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) ("RTO Trainer")
Re: Baseball (Anonymous)
Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised (Craig Kelley)
Re: Baseball (Anonymous)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (LShaping)
Re: DON'T COUNT ON THE ECONOMY TO SAVE YOU! (Anonymous)
Re: Baseball (Anonymous)
Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (LShaping)
Re: IA32, was an advocacy rant ("2 + 2")
Re: Baseball (Anonymous)
From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: 05 Apr 2001 23:13:48 -0600
T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Said Craig Kelley in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 05 Apr 2001 09:38:42
"Matthew Gardiner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh, so the Rep's were the only ones honest about their dealings?
Of course not, but at least republicans go after Microsoft with the
intent of restoring a free market, and not with some loony class-war
redistribution of wealth fanaticism.
Liberals have no class-war issues; that's just the straw-man of the
conservatives. Communists have class-war issues. Liberals are not
watered-down communists. That is, again, just the straw-man of the
conservatives. They have a lot of them.
You say toe-may-toe, I say toe-ma-toe.
Without getting into the particulars, both class warfare and straw man
classifications are subjective terms as seen through the eyes of an
individual. I would say that flaming [ie, not run-of-the-mill]
liberals are full of straw man arguments (such as: "republicans are
the party of big business while democrats are the party of the people"
[Barbara Striesand]), but that's probably meaningless to you. Also, I
would define such statements as class warfare.
--
It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
--
From: 667 Neighbor of the Beast [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Hey, JS PL was Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:14:08 -0700
Alan wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:57:34 -0400, "JS PL" jspl@jsplom wrote:
I haven't seen that happening since early in the existence of IE4. IE is now
built in to Windows, why does an ISP have to distribute it these days?
Listen to the Windoze liars. Lie, lie, lie, lie. All for their crook
buddies, for whom they toe the party line.
During the trial it was made clear that MS frequently offered nearly
free server software for ISP's if they promised to get at least 75% of
their customers to use IE.
The local idiots in my town did just that. They tore out a great
Novell setup and put in NT, IIS, Exchange, the whole mess. They
distribute I.E. and only I.E. on their Internet CD and actively
discourage the use of Netscape. If you call up the help desk and tell
them you use Netscape they get mad. They say, "We encourage all of
our customers to use IE." All of their install disks come with only
I.E. on them, whether for the PC or the Mac.
By the way, their Internet service sucks. I was getting kicked off
4-5 times a day, the WWW and Usenet were real slow, and the news
server and mailserver went down a lot. Netscape was crashing and
getting corrupted all the time. Lo and behold I got myself a real ISP
with Solaris and Netscape Enterprise. I now get kicked off anywhere
from once a day to 2-3 X a week. Usenet and mail loads real fast.
The Internet is like lightning. And Netscape's crashes and
corruptions have been significantly reduced...
--
Bob
Being flamed? Don't know why? Take the Flame Questionnaire(TM)
today!
Why do you think you are being flamed?
[ ] You crossposted
[ ] You continued a long, stupid thread
[ ] You started an off-topic thread
[ ] You posted something totally uninteresting
[ ] People don't like your tone of voice
[ ] Your stupidity is astounding
[ ] You suck
[ ] Other (describe)
--
From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft should be feared and despised
Date: 05 Apr 2001 23:22:41 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck) writes:
On 05 Apr 2001 09:38:42 -0600, Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course not, but at least republicans go after Microsoft with the
intent of restoring a fr
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411, Volume #32 Thu, 22 Feb 01 17:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Amusing Aaron Kulkis Anagrams (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Steve Mading)
Stability of 2.4.1? (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: The Windows guy.
Re: The Windows guy.
Re: SSH vulnerabilities - still waiting [ was Interesting article ] ("Seán Ó
Donnchadha")
Re: The Windows guy.
Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Aaron Kulkis)
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Amusing Aaron Kulkis Anagrams
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:39:54 -0500
meow wrote:
I've been coming up with some anagrams of Aaron Kulkis name and i
thought id share them with you
Aaron Kulis = Miserable piece of shit
Aaron Kulis = Toss Pot
Aaron Kulis = Argumentitive fuck wit
Aaron Kulis = Arrogant wank stain
Aaron Kulis = Numb nuts
thats all i have so far
I think there surely must be some more
Anyone got any others?
Meow
See "L" below
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
From: Steve Mading [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: 22 Feb 2001 21:33:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Parts of WWII. The Nazis had complete air superiority over the Soviets
: because they knocked out the Soviet air fields. However, the soviets had
: huge resources (and a nasty winter) to throw at the Nazis, so they
: eventually won. In fact if it wasn't for the commies we'd probably all be
: speaking german by now.
The germans also failed to take out all the airfields like they
thought they had. The russians were experts at "muskrova" - the
word they use to mean roughly, "illusion and camoflague". The
Germans wasted a lot of time bombing fake airstrips, with fake
buildings and aircraft. The real airfields put the planes in
dug-out foxholes with tarpulins over the top covered with dirt,
so they didn't look like actual airstrips. Granted, not a lot of
planes were saved this way, but enough were that the germans were
rather surprised when they kept encountering more planes than they
thought the russians had.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ohlsson)
Subject: Stability of 2.4.1?
Date: 22 Feb 2001 22:42:20 +0100
Hello,
How is the stability of 2.4.1 regarded? I have used it for 3 weeks
and have had only one strange incident that may have had something
to do with it; Sawfish stopped working for my accouont until I rebooted.
It still worked for root and other accounts. May have had something to
do with me running UAE, I suspect it fscked something up. It is very possible
this mishap could have been resolved without a reboot, but that solution -
if it exists - is beyond me.
cautious mode
I'm not saying this to bash
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411, Volume #30 Sat, 25 Nov 00 12:13:02 EST Contents: Re: LINUX USED BY THE NEW ZEALAND ARMY FOR ARMED FORCES SIMULATION: (mark) Re: Microsoft Encouraging OEMs to "protect" customers from pirate software (mark) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark) Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark) Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (mark) Re: Relatively new Linux user... (mark) Re: The Sixth Sense (mark) Re: Time for another Lynn bait, this one's a beauty! (mark) Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark) Re: Time for another Lynn bait, this one's a beauty! (mark) Re: Slightly Offtopic: MacOS X give Windows a bit of competition (mark) Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark) Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark) Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark) Re: Windows SUX (mark) Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark) Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark) Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark) Re: KDE2 (A transfinite number of monkeys) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) Subject: Re: LINUX USED BY THE NEW ZEALAND ARMY FOR ARMED FORCES SIMULATION: Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:45:16 + In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], kiwiunixman wrote: MH wrote: snip something highly xenophobic. Linux being used by NZ army looks like prime time to me. Mark -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) Subject: Re: Microsoft Encouraging OEMs to "protect" customers from pirate software Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:47:47 + In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best excuse I have heard Microsoft said about why they dislike piracy is when the said "When you download pirated software you donot know whether it has patched beta code or a virus", I would rather take my chances with pirated software (though I donot use it) because at least if don't you mean 'when'? it stuffs up, it will do it at the same rate as legit stuff, hence no money lost kiwiunixman Mark -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side... Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:53:57 + In article 8vmj2q$51t2g$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayende Rahien wrote: "mark" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article LIeT5.344$[EMAIL PROTECTED], PLZI wrote: "Microsoft is making sure that CIFS technology is open, published, and widely available for all computer users. Microsoft has submitted the CIFS 1.0 protocol specification to the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) as an Internet-Draft document and is working with interested parties for CIFS to be published as an Informational RFC. CIFS (SMB) has been an Open Group ^ What exactly is that? I'm guessing it's something that you have to pay Microsoft for to use, ie., not a real open standard at all, but a published proprietary spec. I could be wrong, and I'd rather be, but I suspect I'm not. My Babylon tells me that RFC stands for Request For Comments, a draft of a propusal to the IETF. If I understand correctly, this is a step before you get a standard. And I don't think that the IETF does proprietry standards, so it's an open one. No. The RFC is the 'final' name. Before that they're called something like 'draft-do-me-this-protocol', then they later become rfc9876.txt once they're 'approved'. My question was _much_ more subtle than that. What is the difference between a real rfc and an 'informational' one. I suspect its related to IP ownership (ip = intellectual property here). I don't want to know whether someone thinks that the IETF may or may not do something, I want to know what they actually do. I do know that the ITU used to prevent owned IP becoming standards, but then relaxed that position about 6 years ago. I know about this because I was a UN rapporteur for about 10 years. That experience, amongst other things, has left me very suspicious about words which apparently add no value appearing in titles. In the standards arena, they usually mean something important, otherwise the editor of the document would have removed them. Mark. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side... Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:54:47 + In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bob Hauck wrote: On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:17:47 +, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article LIeT5.344$[EMAIL PROTECTED], PLZI wrote: "Microsoft is making sure that CIFS t
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411, Volume #29Mon, 2 Oct 00 23:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: How low can they go...? ("James A. Robertson")
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: How low can they go...? ("James A. Robertson")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
From: "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 2 Oct 2000 21:52:04 -0500
"." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8r8t5t$1e70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8r8nv2$1e70$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Would you believeUnder the extreme stress of winamp, a nice
windowed
3d visualization and putty (ssh client), my windows 2000 machine
bluescreened on my first attempt to reply to this post.
No. Unless you told me you were overclocking your CPU or you had some
odd hardware with poor drivers.
My cpu is not overclocked currently (it was, I had some problems with it)
and is a PIII 666. I have a hercules TNT2 ultra (great card, one of 500
made) which is not overclocked, and im using the most recent stable
drivers
from www.nvidia.com. The voltage on both processors is nominal, and
neither
one ever tops off 118 degrees farenheit.
I do not have this problem with BeOS, XFree86 4.0.1 or windows millenium,
oddly.
I love the way abracadabra pretends he knows what any of those things means
(one of 500 made, you believed that story?) PIII-666? How about 667 you
yutz, no such thing as a PIII666 check Intels site if you are about to
further embaress yourself. "voltage on BOTH processors?" Oh really? So, you
are implying you have ANY control WHATSOEVER over the voltage on your 1/500
TNT2 card? AND only an idiot would buy a hercules ultra and not overclock
it, THAT'S the only reason they were cool.
Look, face it, you lied, again. W2K bluescreening? Not unless you've got
faulty hardware and/or bad drivers. Otherwise - it's the fastest way to spot
a trolling liar.
--
From: "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 2 Oct 2000 21:52:06 -0500
why? are the linux IDE drivers that bad?
"." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8raaa4$14af$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have the exact opposite experience, in that Win98Se doesn't drop a
note but XMMS is always stalling and in addition if I have XMMS
already started I can't start Wine-Agent which just hangs the machine
until I close XMMS at which point Agent (under Wine) starts and I can
now restart XMMS...
Do you have DMA IDE drives? If so, use hdparm to turn on DMA, and your
skipping problems will very likely be solved.
-.
--
From: "James A. Robertson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:53:36 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
You haven't mentioned the main reason I stopped arguing - Mr. Revusky is
tiresome. He has one mode (non listening attack), and I got real tired
of that real fast.
There's also the fact that this forum fills very quickly, and when I
travel (quite frequently), I typically just mark all messages read.
When I'm busy, I have better things to do than engage in the frag fest
that is c.l.j.a.
I don't recall how accurate James' representation was, but I have tried
not to fault either your or his credibility out of hand. I would point
out that you make my point by continuing to discuss this with me, while
James, as you've noted he might characteristically do, simply avoided
the argument. That is certainly a point in your favor, but there isn't
any 'magic number' which will conclusively shed light on whether he was
backing the wrong horse in a troll-war, or pointing out ethical
considerations which you weren't willing to face, suc
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411, Volume #28 Mon, 14 Aug 00 22:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Courageous)
Re: Are Linux people illiterate? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft
Ruling Too Harsh (D. Spider)
Re: Windows stability: Alternate shells? ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Pat McCann)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft
Ruling Too Harsh (D. Spider)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls
and Authentic Linvocates)
Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's
From: "Colin R. Day" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:08:48 -0400
Perry Pip wrote:
develop these new technologies. You now seem to be agreeing with that.
What new technologies? Private railroads had been running for some time.
Civil engineering technology and infrastructure. Building bridges and
tunnels across and thru the Rocky and Sierra mountains. The lessons
learned from the original government subsidized railroads benefitted
those who privately built railroads in the later, as well as the fact
that the latter also benefitted from pre-existing infrastructure. So
more like much after 1893.
There had been tunnels before then.
And yes, it would have taken longer for continental railroads to have been
built privately, but is this such a bad thing?
It would have slowed the indusrtrial development of the U.S., possibly
resulting in a weaker U.S. in WWI and WWII, and possibly even a less
developed U.S today.
It would have resulted in a different industrial development, but the
resources that were used by the government could have been
directed elsewhere,
Failure in the banking system caused by railroads defaulting on loans
that they could not repay because there was insufficient demand for
the use of railroads.
The U.S. banking systems failed a dozen or so times in the 19th
Century. If they didn't fail for one thing they failed for another. As
result of the panic of 1905 the Federal Reserve Bank was created as a
central bank to try to create stability in the banking system. In
1929, however, the people running the Federal Reserve Bank, who could
have provided cheap loans to the banks to prevent them from going
under, sat back and did nothing out of the idealistic philosophy the
Government shouldn't ever get involved. Funny though, in 71 years
since we have not had a catastophic collapse of the banking system.
Of course, they also been artificially stimulating the economy during
the 1920's as well. Unless they could have done it forever, there
would have been a slowdown.
Perry
Colin Day
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen S. Edwards II)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Email spamming to the readers of these NG's
Date: 15 Aug 2000 01:11:45 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in 8na3qa$g8g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Please excuse the crossposting, but this involves the readers of all
three newsgroups.
How many others here have recieved spam via email with the appearence of
being a follow up to threads in these newsgroups (COLA, COMA, and
COMNA) from this domain?
I can't say that I have, but if it's incessant, you
might want to consider forging your E-mail address,
or creating a procmail script that will only allow
E-mail in that you specify (ie: friends, and family).
At least, that's what I did. :-) I have a forged
E-mail address in my headers, and if someone does
add my legit address to a mailing list of some sort,
/dev/null will get a little snack.
It's nice, because I can determine who the "friendlies"
are, and add their names to the guest list, and I don't
have to worry about getting E-mail from someone I don't
want to hear from.
I run Linux, no bloody RedHat, Debian, Slackware, or Corel, just Linux.
My servers have been up 226 days 9 hours 57 minutes
"N, C, C, one, seven, oh, one... no bloody A, B, C, or D."
A thick cuban cigar goes to the man who can name this quote!...
Anyone who ever like Star Trek: TNG in the slightest should
be able to get this one.
:-)
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #411
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411, Volume #27Sat, 1 Jul 00 08:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Life in the Midwest - technolife that is. ("John Porterfield")
I thought only Windows 98 SE did this! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Ready for Linux ? The "Furniture Scale" (Cihl)
Re: Trying Linux yet again ("Ferdinand V. Mendoza")
Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm not ready. (Cihl)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Nic)
Re: Ready for Linux ? The "Furniture Scale" (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: OS's ... (Pim van Riezen)
Re: I'm Ready! I'm ready! I'm not ready. (Aaron Kulkis)
From: "John Porterfield" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Life in the Midwest - technolife that is.
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 05:21:32 -0600
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nathaniel Jay Lee
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's less of an issue of whether people in the midwest have use for
computers, (farmers are actually very reilant on computer technology, do
you think they spend 500,000 on farm equipment for old technology?) It's
more of an issue that the big paying jobs are on the coasts, especially
the west coast. Gateway and Dell are the only majore computer
manufacturers in the midwest, (Gateway in South Dakota, Dell in texas) and
gateways main office moved to San Diego last year. Most of the people who
go to conventions, work on computers as a job, since most of the jobs for
computers are elsewhere (the coasts) attendance for a midwest conference
isn't going to be especially striking.
OK, there's a bit of a debate going on at Slashdot about a Linux
conference that flopped. There was zero advertising from it and it
appears as if the management of it was completely wacked out, but most
people posting seem to think that there is no way a tech conference can
succeed in the midwest. They all feel that all technical people either
live in the coastal states, or that all technical people should go to
the coastal states to stay technical. I say, that's a load of crap.
So, I've decided to get the reaction of COLA. How many of you live in
the midwest? Of those people, how many would be willing to go to a
large city in your area for a technical conference (especially one on
Linux)?
I'm out to prove that us midwesterners aren't as backasswords as they
(Slashdot crowd) are saying we are. I say there are plenty of people in
the midwest that would attend this sort of conference, especially about
Linux. Myself, and at least thirty people that I know would kill for a
chance to see a Linux conference up close, but can't afford to go or
take the time off to go to the conferences that are on either coast
(east or west). But the coastal people are saying they wouldn't go to a
tech conference in the midwest so it is pointless to have a conference
there. Apparently they really believe that we are all a bunch of hicks
and farmers. What do you guys have to say on the matter?
--
Subject: I thought only Windows 98 SE did this!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 11:10:18 GMT
I shut down my Linux server, fine, no problems.
I shut down my Linux workstation and it hung in Postfix... I tried logging
in as root, but all the virtual terminals wouldn't let me even type 'root'.
So, reboot.
Now this is the second time Linux has fallen apart on shutdown. The first
was a kernel oops when it tried to dismount an smbfs mounted drive. Now it
hung in shutting down Postfix.
Is the bug in Windows 98 SE a mutating virus? Did it leap OS's!
8)
Pete
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From: Cihl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ready for Linux ? The "Furniture Scale"
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 11:12:54 GMT
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Cihl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a pretty good description. If you've at least stripped
the paint and re-painted it, that's a good start. If you've tuned
your own car, if you've replaced a faucet, or
if you've successfully
learned to drive a stick-shift in rush-hour traffic,
then you probably
have the ability to install: [Mandrake, SuSE, or Caldera Linux]
Hey, I do *all* of that! :-)
What's so hard about driving a stick-shift in rush-hour traffic? I do
that every single day.
Good, so you understand the benefits of a system that is slightly
more complicated (5 speed transmission, clutch, brake, managing the
rpm...) in exchange for more control (lower cost, better acceleration
with smaller engines, more power and speed with larger engines,
matching the gears to the requirements (shifting...) and have
demonstrated a willingness to learn something which reqires more
effort to learn (compared to an Automatic Transmission).
Actually, i'm from Europe and Everybody (i know) has a stick-shift
around here. Automatic transm
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411
Linux-Advocacy Digest #411, Volume #26Mon, 8 May 00 16:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: computer viruses on LINUX (JEDIDIAH) Re: Linux IS THE ULTIMATE VIRUS(IOW LINUX SUXXX) (JEDIDIAH) Re: KDE is better than Gnome (Matthias Warkus) Re: Linux IS THE ULTIMATE VIRUS(IOW LINUX SUXXX) (David Steinberg) Re: Microsoft invents XML! (billy ball) Re: Linux IS THE ULTIMATE VIRUS(IOW LINUX SUXXX) (David Steinberg) Re: Microsoft invents XML! (Mig Mig) Re: Which OS is WORST? (SIGINT) Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Timberwoof) Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Timberwoof) Re: Shithead Distribution? (Mig Mig) Re: Browsers and e-mail (Perry Pip) Re: Linux IS THE ULTIMATE VIRUS(IOW LINUX SUXXX) (Mig Mig) Compulsory open source considered in France (Reuters) (Axel Harvey) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) Subject: Re: computer viruses on LINUX Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:14:27 GMT On 8 May 2000 17:49:39 GMT, abraxas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JEDIDIAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8 May 2000 07:59:01 -0700, david parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], JEDIDIAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNOME already barks at you for running as root. Oh, so Gnome is nannyware? Good, that's another reason to keep it off my systems. ...only barks if you're DUMB enough to run a desktop as root. Ahh...the psychology of a nannyware advocate... There are actually a few reasons to run X as root, briefly. Like what? There's no reason you can't run an X app from either a su service running in an xterm or one that will log you in without showing you a commmand line. Gnome really does suck, seriously. The sort incapable of running from the console are precisely the sort that NEED nannyware to clue them in on the basics they chose not to inform themselves of. -- In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of'||| a document? --Les Mikesell/ | \ Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) Subject: Re: Linux IS THE ULTIMATE VIRUS(IOW LINUX SUXXX) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 19:15:40 GMT On Mon, 08 May 2000 18:15:54 GMT, Cihl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef in berichtnieuws [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 07 May 2000 23:08:26 -0400, proculous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The net result of a virus infestation is a loss of productive time of the persons involved. What better example of Linux as an operating system. Talk about a waste of time! I spent 2 weeks trying to install this piece of shit and finally gave up. I have installed every OS under the sun and moon since DOS 1.0 and could not get this piece of junk, Linux to operate correctly. WOW! You're a real moron. 1) put CD in drive 2) push reset 3) click OK at all the prompts. Total time to install: 45 minutes. ?? 45 whole minutes? Isn't it about time to ditch the 386? It's the speed of the drive(s) 'Woz', not the CPU. -- In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of'||| a document? --Les Mikesell/ | \ Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,tw.bbs.comp.linux Subject: Re: KDE is better than Gnome Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:01:40 +0200 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was the Mon, 08 May 2000 12:35:26 GMT... ...and Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the reason for the high number of dependencies of, say, the GNOME panel, compared to, say, kpanel, is the greater modularity of the supporting libraries GNOME uses. Actually, no. It's because KDE's modularity is done better ;-) I'm not talking about the KDE libraries (which are split pretty much the same way as gnome-libs), but about Qt. Qt is a large monolithic chunk AFAICS. GTK+ consists of three libraries minimum (not counting libgthread, libgmodule etc.). BTW, has KDE got any equivalent to the GNOME canvas (main reason we link to libart_lgpl is antialiasing and affine transformations for canvas members) and the gnome-print architecture? For example, kpanel only links to libjpeg. Probably, other image formats are loaded by loaders built into libqt or one of the libkde*s directly. (Or maybe you don't even support formats other than JPEG and XPM while we can load about every format in the known universe, frankly I don't know.) It loads pretty much anything. (gdk_pixbuf does PNG, JPEG, XPM, GIF, Windows ICO, RAS, TIFF, PNM
