DVD

2000-08-20 Thread Mike Almogy

Hi ppl.

Does anyone has the program to view DVD on Linux ?

Thanks,
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SiS 6326 support - finally

2000-08-20 Thread Michael Levinger

Hi there.

I finally got a Diamond SiS 6326 card to work under RedHat, after
observing it works well under Mandrake. It seems the linux kernel(s)
recognize only the first 4MB of this card's RAM (Diamon says the card has
8MB RAM) and thus you need to specify 4MB under Xconfigurator. I suppose
this is the way that Diamond configures their AGP shared memory stuff, and
it seems LINUX is not too keen on those tricks. If someone knows more
about this, please enlighten me.

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Re: DVD

2000-08-20 Thread Linuxxx

i am looking for the same thing...
what kinda dvd you have ?

 

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On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Mike Almogy wrote:

 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:47:19 +0200
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 Subject: DVD
 
 Hi ppl.
 
 Does anyone has the program to view DVD on Linux ?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: SiS 6326 support - finally

2000-08-20 Thread matan


On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Michael Levinger wrote:
 I finally got a Diamond SiS 6326 card to work under RedHat, after
 observing it works well under Mandrake. It seems the linux kernel(s)
 recognize only the first 4MB of this card's RAM (Diamon says the card has
 8MB RAM) and thus you need tospecify 4MB under Xconfigurator. I suppose
 this is the way that Diamond configures their AGP shared memory stuff, and
 it seems LINUX is not too keen on those tricks. If someone knows more
 about this, please enlighten me.

You are  wrong about this - the card  does have 8MB of ram. The  problem
is that the chipset itself was only designed for 4MB, so some things (for
example the cursor shape) can only reside in the first 4MB. This means
that the driver needs to order the frame buffer/pixmap cache/cursor/etc
in a way that would keep all things that need to be in the low 4MB. The
author of the driver chose not to do that, so the only solution is to
limit all the driver access to 4MB. Other chipsets  have similar problem
(for example i740).


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Re: DVD

2000-08-20 Thread Isaac Aaron


I can say for sure that there is an effort to create an open source DVD
player (I didn't check if it's downloadable), but they are currently
defending themselves on a lawsuit (filed by the film industry, IIRC).
http://www.opendvd.org

As for a propriety DVD player, I've never heard of any but if you know of
one, I know of one person (myself) who'd be interesterd of hearing about :
-)

Because DVD is a pattent, it has some legal issues with getting it to work
with Linux. If a vendor wants to create a driver for an MPEG-2 board, it
won't be able to supply the source for the kernel module (as VMWare does),
so users will have to download a module for every kernel they use. OTOH,
binary-only software MPEG-2 players could be a good solution but would have
some performance issues (X11 overhead, for example) and won't have some
MPEG-2 card advantages (TV and SPDIF out).

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Hi ppl.

Does anyone has the program to view DVD on Linux ?

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Re: IGLU

2000-08-20 Thread Shlomi Fish

At 10:35 8/15/00 +0300, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:

Ladies, Gents and that newbie from Alpha Xi Ceti who registered
yesterday,

I'm please to announce the *official* forming of IGLU - the Israeli
Group of Linux Users. This organization is a not for profit organization
that will be registered with Rasham ha Amutut in a few days.

Anyone interested to join the Amuta must:
1. Send me his name, email, phone number and ID.
2. Be prepared to pay the member fees, when and if it will be so decided
(I'm thinking either 20 NIS a month OR performing some sort of service
for the Amuta - so that money won't stop people from joining, what do
you think?)


20 NIS a month means 240 NIS a year, and as a student I don't think I can 
afford to pay that much. I think there are other people in this position 
too. In any case, since I contribute to the Linux-IL web-site, I think I 
can be excluded from paying those fees. But what about other people?

And another question: what are we going to do with all the money that we 
will pay?

For the first place I suggest lower fees. Something in the range of 50 NIS 
a year. We survived this far without any monthly payment, so there is no 
reason we should be in any need of money now.



5 members of the Amuta will form the IGLU Cabal - the managing board of
the Amuta. They will be the persons in charge of day to day matters
between Amuta official meetings. This Cabal will be chosen once a year
in Amuta official meetings. Until the first meeting the Cabal will be
made from Ira, Chen, Eli Marmor and YBA, if they choose to join,
otherwise will make something up. The Amuta will appoint from time to
time additional officer to take care of specific business. I'll guess
I'll shove my snout into things too ;-)

The target of the Amuta will be to form a legal body that will be able
to back up and represent the actions of the free software / open source
/ linux community in Israel. Despite the name, I think we should cover
all free software/ OSS, including things like Qmail and BSDs.

Fair enough, and I back up this view.


The Amuta will try its best to assist all the community activity, both
present and future, but it should be understood that the Amuta does NOT
come to replace any activity organizers but only to help them by
providing an "official" legal body that they can use as a cover for
their activities (donations, dealing with vendors etc.) as long as those
activities are lawful and in the charter of the Amuta.

The Amuta will do it's best to let anyone and everyone enjoy the
activities it sponsors, without regard to sex, race, creed or editor
preference ;-) including people with disabilities.

OK, now it's your turn.

Also, if anyone knows an accountant that is willing to do us a favor and
take care of the money side of
business pro bono it'll be great. We already have a lawyer.

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Re: Scrolling in xterm

2000-08-20 Thread Ilya Konstantinov

Subba Rao wrote:
 
 My xterm is version 4.0.1b(104). I have the scrollbar showing up on the left side
 of my window. I am not able to interactively use the mouse to scroll back in the 
window.
 A mouse click in the scroll bar will position the view in the scroll buffer. How can 
I
 use the mouse button to move interactively through the scroll buffer (as in 
gnome-terminal).
 
 I have looked at the Xresourses but nothing was obvious about the mouse key bindings.
 Is this something more specific to the window manager or is isolated to the 
xresources file?

Install the xaw95 widget set. You should have it with your favorite
distribution.
After that, simply use something like:
LD_PRELOAD="[path to the installed libxaw95*.so file] xterm"

(on RedHat, you'll find it somewhere in /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw95.so or
something similar)

That should turn the Xt widgets into Windows-style widgets. The
scrollbar widget
should work as you'd expect it in Windows, or GTK+.

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RE: DVD

2000-08-20 Thread Kalaev, Maxim

There is one at: http://heroine.linuxave.net/xmovie.html
Doesn't support CSS.

Maxim


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Re: DVD

2000-08-20 Thread Joe T

Try to do a search (on www.google.com) for a program called "LiViD"


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Subject: Re: DVD
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:03:06 -0400 (EDT)

i am looking for the same thing...
what kinda dvd you have ?



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  Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 09:47:19 +0200
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  To: ILUG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: DVD
 
  Hi ppl.
 
  Does anyone has the program to view DVD on Linux ?
 
  Thanks,
  Mike
 
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Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Shlomi Fish

I'd like to organize a Linux Dinner some time soon. I myself am quite 
flexible with the date, but I think we should determine the restaurant 
first, and then see when it can host us.

Please send your suggestions for the restaurant to this list. The 
requirements for the restaurant are:
1. Being Kosher.
2. Being in the Tel-Aviv area.
3. Serving Vegetarian Food.
4. Affordable. A two course meal should cost 70 NIS or less.

I will collect the suggestions and then summarize them and let the list 
determine the restuarant.

Regards,

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List of Mailing Lists (more or less final version)

2000-08-20 Thread Shlomi Fish

Well, you can finally find it on the IGLU site:

http://www.linux.org.il/mailing-lists/

There's also a mirror at

http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/mailing-lists/

I'm still waiting for a link to it from the main IGLU site.

Tzafrir Cohen suggested that I also include information about Israeli 
Linux-related web forums. This information is not there yet, but probably 
will be in the next version of it.

Your comments are welcome.

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RE: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Chen Shapira

Lets make it a celebration for the release of Debian 2.2?

still-trying-to-think-of-a-resturant-ly yours,
Chen.

 -Original Message-
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 I'd like to organize a Linux Dinner some time soon. I myself am quite 
 flexible with the date, but I think we should determine the 
 restaurant 
 first, and then see when it can host us.
 
 Please send your suggestions for the restaurant to this list. The 
 requirements for the restaurant are:
 1. Being Kosher.
 2. Being in the Tel-Aviv area.
 3. Serving Vegetarian Food.
 4. Affordable. A two course meal should cost 70 NIS or less.
 I will collect the suggestions and then summarize them and 
 let the list 
 determine the restuarant.
 
 Regards,
 
   Shlomi Fish
 
 
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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Moshe Zadka

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 Please send your suggestions for the restaurant to this list. The 
 requirements for the restaurant are:
 1. Being Kosher.

Why Kosher? How many people will not come if it's not Kosher?


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Re: [iglu] Re: www.linux.org.il functioning again

2000-08-20 Thread guy keren

On 20 Aug 2000, Aharon Schkolnik wrote:

 When I try to access www.linux.org.il, I get:

 ERROR
 The requested URL could not be retrieved
 While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.linux.org.il/ 
 The following error was encountered: 
  Connection Failed 
 The system returned: 
   (111) Connection refused
 The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. 

it worked when i reported that. it works now (i did refresh the page). the
machine was not rebooted during between then and now. hence, i gather it
was either a transient error, or an act of god.

on the other hand, it looks like the httpd process that is currently
running on the machine was launched at 10:35 . anyone has an idea?

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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Michael M.

shalom 

you don't care about kosher so it's no important for anyone . right ?
very interesting 

good question ! i don't see the link between kosher and israeli persons
help me to answer please because 
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 On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Shlomi Fish wrote:
 
  Please send your suggestions for the restaurant to this list. The 
  requirements for the restaurant are:
  1. Being Kosher.
 
 Why Kosher? How many people will not come if it's not Kosher?



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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson

Moshe Zadka wrote:
 
 On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Shlomi Fish wrote:
 
  Please send your suggestions for the restaurant to this list. The 
  requirements for the restaurant are:
  1. Being Kosher.
 
 Why Kosher? How many people will not come if it's not Kosher?


The Amuta will do it's best to let anyone and everyone enjoy the

activities it sponsors, without regard to sex, race, creed or editor
preference ;-) including people with disabilities.
  

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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Moshe Zadka

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Michael M. wrote:

 shalom 
 
 you don't care about kosher so it's no important for anyone . right ?

Wrong. I care about kosher very much -- I do not eat in kosher restaurants
if I have other choices. You don't eat in non-kosher restaurants -- fine.
We can organize two dinners...that's up to the organizers to decide.

PS
Please learn to quote. And no, I do not care that you're using crappy
MUAs.

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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread benavrhm

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Moshe Zadka wrote:

 On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Shlomi Fish wrote:
 
  Please send your suggestions for the restaurant to this list. The 
  requirements for the restaurant are:
  1. Being Kosher.
 
 Why Kosher? How many people will not come if it's not Kosher?
 
 
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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Sun, Aug 20, 2000, Moshe Zadka wrote about "Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner":
 On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Michael M. wrote:
 
  shalom 
  
  you don't care about kosher so it's no important for anyone . right ?
 
 Wrong. I care about kosher very much -- I do not eat in kosher restaurants
 if I have other choices. You don't eat in non-kosher restaurants -- fine.
 We can organize two dinners...that's up to the organizers to decide.

Looks like the start of another annoying flame-war :(

Anyway, personally I also don't care about the Kosher-ness of the restaurant,
but if it means a few more people will be able to come, than I don't mind if
the restaurant will be Kosher. I realise this will give us fewer restaurants
to choose from, and potentially we'll end up with a not-the-best-possible
restaurant, but if our objective is to meet and have a good time, and not
explicitly to have a gourmet dinner, then it's acceptable.

That is, of course, unless someone is looking for a specific type of Kashrut,
and a restaurant that is not open on Saturday, which can seriously limit the
possibilities - maybe someone who cares about Kashrut should suggest a
restaurant he or she is comfortable with (but remember the vegiterianism
request too!).

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DVD [2]

2000-08-20 Thread Nimrod S. Carmi

high everyone,


While we're already on a DVD issue here, I am planning to buy a DVD drive
and was wondering if there's any specific brand of drive or mpeg card that
I should choose in order for it to be supported in linux ?

would appriciate any help,

Thanx!

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PPP and Dial-back

2000-08-20 Thread
Title: PPP and Dial-back





I can not connect with my RH6.1 box to NT RAS with dial-back enabled.
It works well without dial-back ( with PAP ).
PPP seems not to understand the NT's disconnecting as signal to wait for a call, and starts dialing again.
I don't have any dial-back specific definition in /etc/ppp/options or ip-up.


It works fine with W95.


Does it require something special to connect to Dial-back server with ppp?
Anyone can share his experience with me?
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Re: Scrolling in xterm

2000-08-20 Thread Shachar Shemesh

The widget works like this:
Left mouse click - scroll down
Right mouse click - scroll up
Middle mouse drag - follow mouse up  down.

Subba Rao wrote:

 My xterm is version 4.0.1b(104). I have the scrollbar showing up on the left side
 of my window. I am not able to interactively use the mouse to scroll back in the 
window.
 A mouse click in the scroll bar will position the view in the scroll buffer. How can 
I
 use the mouse button to move interactively through the scroll buffer (as in 
gnome-terminal).

 I have looked at the Xresourses but nothing was obvious about the mouse key bindings.
 Is this something more specific to the window manager or is isolated to the 
xresources file?

 Thank you in advance.

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procmail

2000-08-20 Thread Bareket

Hi guys,

I managed to filter the mail with procmail. The filter worked fine, but
where are the non-filtered mails gone..? 

Do you have any ideas of what i missed in the procmail :

This is the content of the procmailrc file:
:0:
* ^Subject:.*bug
bug

and this is the content of the .qmail file:
|preline procmail


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procmail

2000-08-20 Thread Bareket



Hi guys,

I managed to filter the mail with procmail. The 
filter worked fine, butwhere are the non-filtered mails gone..?

Do you have any ideas of what i missed in the 
procmail :

This is the content of the procmailrc 
file::0:* ^Subject:.*bugbug

and this is the content of the .qmail 
file:|preline procmail


I indeed got a all the mails with the subject 'bug' 
into the file bug. But i stopped recieving any other mails without the 'bug' in 
the subject.
Thanks,
Bareket


Re: procmail

2000-08-20 Thread Uri Bruck




Hi,
The unfiltered mail goes to whatever is in DEFAULT.
So you can just add, on the top of your .procmailrc

DEFAULT=/full/path/of/your/inbox

Thanks,
Uri

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Bareket wrote:

 Hi guys,
 
 I managed to filter the mail with procmail. The filter worked fine, but
 where are the non-filtered mails gone..?
 
 Do you have any ideas of what i missed in the procmail :
 
 This is the content of the procmailrc file:
 :0:
 * ^Subject:.*bug
 bug
 
 and this is the content of the .qmail file:
 |preline procmail
 
 
 I indeed got a all the mails with the subject 'bug' into the file bug. But i stopped 
recieving any other mails without the 'bug' in the subject.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: procmail

2000-08-20 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef

Uri Bruck wrote:
 
 Hi,
 The unfiltered mail goes to whatever is in DEFAULT.
 So you can just add, on the top of your .procmailrc
 
 DEFAULT=/full/path/of/your/inbox

Which in your case would be 
DEFAULT=/home/bar/Mailbox

btw. The mail "lost" in the meantime can be found at /var/spool/mail/bar

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Re: procmail

2000-08-20 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Sun, Aug 20, 2000, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote about "Re: procmail":
 Uri Bruck wrote:
  
  Hi,
  The unfiltered mail goes to whatever is in DEFAULT.
  So you can just add, on the top of your .procmailrc
  
  DEFAULT=/full/path/of/your/inbox
 
 Which in your case would be 
 DEFAULT=/home/bar/Mailbox
 
 btw. The mail "lost" in the meantime can be found at /var/spool/mail/bar

Quoting the "procmailrc" manual,
  "...The first recipe that matches is used to determine where the mail has
   to go (usually a file). If processing falls off the end  of the rcfile,
   procmail will deliver the mail to $DEFAULT.  You do not need to set
   this variable, since it already points to the standard system mailbox."

So any mail that didn't match your recipe is still in your normal mailbox -
read it as you normally do (with mutt, pine, pop3, etc.). You shouldn't
set DEFAULT unless you really want your unfiltered mail to go to a different
file.


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Re: procmail

2000-08-20 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef

Nadav Har'El wrote:

 
 Quoting the "procmailrc" manual,
   "...The first recipe that matches is used to determine where the mail has
to go (usually a file). If processing falls off the end  of the rcfile,
procmail will deliver the mail to $DEFAULT.  You do not need to set
this variable, since it already points to the standard system mailbox."
 
 So any mail that didn't match your recipe is still in your normal mailbox -
 read it as you normally do (with mutt, pine, pop3, etc.). You shouldn't
 set DEFAULT unless you really want your unfiltered mail to go to a different
 file.

Normally true, except the system in question has Qmail installed which
moves the mailbox from it's normal location to the users home directory.


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RE: PPP and Dial-back

2000-08-20 Thread Alex Rier

Hi,

1. Dial to the NT box from minicom (on RedHat) and learn what
   protocol expects NT box when using callback.

2. Write chat script which implements this protocol.
   (Use pppd + chat).

(I have used this scheme to connect Windowz to Linux RAS with callback).

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Subject:PPP and Dial-back

I can not connect with my RH6.1 box to NT RAS with dial-back enabled.
It works well without dial-back ( with PAP ).
PPP seems not to understand the NT's disconnecting as signal to wait for a
call, and starts dialing again.
I don't have any dial-back specific definition in /etc/ppp/options or ip-up.

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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread joshua kamenetz




 
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Moshe Zadka wrote:

  On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Shlomi Fish wrote:
 
   Please send your suggestions for the restaurant to this list. The
   requirements for the restaurant are:
   1. Being Kosher.
 
  Why Kosher? How many people will not come if it's not Kosher?

It should be Kosher because several people,including me,are religious
and are limited to Kosher restaurants. Israel is a democracy and
freedom of faith is instituted in this democratic state. A religious
Jew _can't_ eat in a non-Kosher place. A non-religious Jew can
eat in Kosher restaurant. If the dinner wasn't Kosher, then a fraction
of Linux people would be blacked balled from this event which
I understand is an official IGLU event.
Cordially
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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Sun, Aug 20, 2000, joshua kamenetz wrote about "Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner":
   Why Kosher? How many people will not come if it's not Kosher?
 It should be Kosher because several people,including me,are religious
 and are limited to Kosher restaurants. Israel is a democracy and
 freedom of faith is instituted in this democratic state. A religious
 Jew _can't_ eat in a non-Kosher place. A non-religious Jew can
 eat in Kosher restaurant. If the dinner wasn't Kosher, then a fraction
 of Linux people would be blacked balled from this event which
 I understand is an official IGLU event.

I don't think high words like "democracy" and "freedom of faith" are
relevant in this case. You're free to come to a non-kosher dinner, and
watch other people eat, or bring your own sandwiches (and plate) from
home. Obviously, it wouldn't be *nice* of us to let you do that, which is
why we're not going to do it (i.e., the dinner will probably be kosher
after all, whether MosheZ likes it or not). We're going to have a Kosher
dinner because we care about the religious people in our group and respect
them - not because we care about their religion (or the religion varient they
choose to practice).

But don't act like it's some sort of democratic or freedom-of-faith issue
that we have to have Kosher food: try going to any conference in the U.S.
(for example). You'll be given food, and they may even try to make it
pseudo-kosher (e.g., serve beef, not pork, don't put cream on the beef, make
vegetables and other stuff that don't have such strict kashrut code, etc.),
but you won't get a glat-kosher meal. They will outright laugh if you request
to eat only in a place which is closed on Saturday. But they will give you the
option to eat somewhere else, bring your own food, or eat nothing at all.

Some orthodox Jews do not drink wine if it was served by a gentile (goy). But
it doesn't mean they have the right to force the restaurant to employ a
Jewish wine-server. At the most, they can decide not to drink wine if served
by a gentile.

Freedom of faith is the freedom to practice your own faith without being
disturbed or persecuted. It is not the freedom to force your own faith on
others, or the freedom to say that "my faith requires me to make others
behave like me".

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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Boltyansky Boris


Hi there!

Now the idea became OFFTOPIC, coz nobody talk about the Linux Meeting
but about Kashrut.

I wanted to add my personal opinion about it but I decided not to do it.

;-)))

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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo

MZ I'm happy you agree my preferences not to eat kosher should be respected.

This reminds me a history about two hilonim. One says to the second: "I go 
to the restaurant N this evening" - "But this is a glatt kosher
restaurant!" - "Doesn't matter, I will eat only boiled eggs".

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Re: ADSL experiment

2000-08-20 Thread Arie Vayner

Hi

Maybe there will be no trouble with ADSL afterall - they are gonna use
PPTP for the internet connection...

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On Fri, 18 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:09:33 +0300 (IDT)
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 Subject: ADSL experiment
 
 Hi,  
 
 The good news is that I was notified today that I will be in the ADSL experiment
 in Raanana. I assume from what I've heard, that it will be a problem to get
 Bezeq to understand what's needed for a LINUX connection.
 
 As I see it, I have two alternatives.
 
 One is a direct connection to my LINUX box, but I don't know if Bezeq will
 be able to handle such a **complicated project** :-(
 
 The other possibility would be to hook up a WIN98 machine on my home
 network. I assume it shouldn't be to difficult to then share the INTERNET
 connection with my LINUX box (using SAMBA ???) but I have no idea of how
 it's done.
 
 I'd appreciate any help from people who have done one of these - obviously
 the first alternative would be preferred, but if I have no choice, I'll
 make a compromise and use the second solution rather than lose the chance
 to hook up to ADSL.
 
 As I said, any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
 
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RE: PPP and Dial-back

2000-08-20 Thread Arie Vayner

Hi

If I am not mistaken, NT uses a proprietary protocol to do the call-back
(I
think it's called CBCP...) and it's an extension to PPP (I think to
MS-CHAP exactly...)
As I understand no script will do it... because you have to use MS-CHAP...

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 Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:44:47 +0300
 From: Alex Rier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "ILUG (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: PPP and Dial-back
 
 Hi,
 
 1. Dial to the NT box from minicom (on RedHat) and learn what
protocol expects NT box when using callback.
 
 2. Write chat script which implements this protocol.
(Use pppd + chat).
 
 (I have used this scheme to connect Windowz to Linux RAS with callback).
 
 Regards,
 
 Alex Rier| 
 Linux Consultant | Tel:  +972-52-442549
 Breakthrough Ltd.| FAX:  +972-3-5364060
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 Sent: Sun August 20 2000 15:13
 To:   IGLU
 Subject:  PPP and Dial-back
 
 I can not connect with my RH6.1 box to NT RAS with dial-back enabled.
 It works well without dial-back ( with PAP ).
 PPP seems not to understand the NT's disconnecting as signal to wait for a
 call, and starts dialing again.
 I don't have any dial-back specific definition in /etc/ppp/options or ip-up.
 
 It works fine with W95.
 
 Does it require something special to connect to Dial-back server with ppp?
 Anyone can share his experience with me?
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Re: DVD

2000-08-20 Thread Udi Finkelstein

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 11:45:53 + (GMT), you wrote:

By the way, there are two programs out there by the title "DeCSS" . One 
dosen't do anything useful for you , just deletes CSS tags from web pages 
(wierd). The one you need is the one that can decrypt CSS.

It's not weired. It's sole purpose was to do something that can be reasonably
called "DeCSS" (even if it's in fact useless), just to fool all the MPAA
search bots, looking to sue people for linking to the DVD DeCSS code.

Read all about it in http://www.pigdog.org/decss/

Good Luck

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RE: PPP and Dial-back

2000-08-20 Thread Dani Arbel

It is done via a script. The RAS MUST allow shell access, and then the
script is run in terminal mode. Timing is important, as the initiating
modem must hangup before the server starts the dial back. If it is needed
i can providea sample script.
Dani

On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Arie Vayner wrote:

 Hi
 
 If I am not mistaken, NT uses a proprietary protocol to do the call-back
 (I
 think it's called CBCP...) and it's an extension to PPP (I think to
 MS-CHAP exactly...)
 As I understand no script will do it... because you have to use MS-CHAP...
 
 ---
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  Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:44:47 +0300
  From: Alex Rier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: "ILUG (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: PPP and Dial-back
  
  Hi,
  
  1. Dial to the NT box from minicom (on RedHat) and learn what
 protocol expects NT box when using callback.
  
  2. Write chat script which implements this protocol.
 (Use pppd + chat).
  
  (I have used this scheme to connect Windowz to Linux RAS with callback).
  
  Regards,
  
  Alex Rier| 
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  To: IGLU
  Subject:PPP and Dial-back
  
  I can not connect with my RH6.1 box to NT RAS with dial-back enabled.
  It works well without dial-back ( with PAP ).
  PPP seems not to understand the NT's disconnecting as signal to wait for a
  call, and starts dialing again.
  I don't have any dial-back specific definition in /etc/ppp/options or ip-up.
  
  It works fine with W95.
  
  Does it require something special to connect to Dial-back server with ppp?
  Anyone can share his experience with me?
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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Schlomo Schapiro

Hi,

first I would like to recommend Shlomi fot his noble act of trying to
organize a dinner. I tried myself once and failed :-(

Anyway, as a possible solution to all the food conflicts I again suggest
my original idea:

Let us make a Linux picknick. The organizers organize the fire and
everybody can bring their own food (kosher, veggie or piggy, or even
boiled egg...) and drink (I suppose the drink could be organized for all).

It would safe a lot of money (for NIS 70 you get enough at any super
market) and could be much more fun.

For those with family it would be also better since they could bring them
along and we would have a big picknick with a Linux corner.

Please think about this option, I think it could help us all.

Schlomo

PS: I once tried to organize it (look at the archives) and will be happy
to help again with this.



Sincerely,

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On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 I'd like to organize a Linux Dinner some time soon. I myself am quite
 flexible with the date, but I think we should determine the restaurant
 first, and then see when it can host us.
 
 Please send your suggestions for the restaurant to this list. The
 requirements for the restaurant are:
 1. Being Kosher.
 2. Being in the Tel-Aviv area.
 3. Serving Vegetarian Food.
 4. Affordable. A two course meal should cost 70 NIS or less.
 
 I will collect the suggestions and then summarize them and let the list
 determine the restuarant.
 
 Regards,
 
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RE: PPP and Dial-back

2000-08-20 Thread
Title: RE: PPP and Dial-back





Did not managed to configure RAS to use terminal mode. After getting connection, Minicom is silent as partizan.
BTW, this is RRAS, not RAS ( they have an improved version, including packet filtering, dynamic routing etc). But i tried with regular one as well. Untill now i succeeded only with PAP ( without dial-back). Never tried CHAT/MSCHAT.

I will try both scripts and CHAT/MSCHAT for dial-back.


Your sample scrips would be more than desirable.


It is done via a script. The RAS MUST allow shell access, and then the
script is run in terminal mode. Timing is important, as the initiating
modem must hangup before the server starts the dial back. If it is needed
i can providea sample script.
Dani


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RE: PPP and Dial-back

2000-08-20 Thread Dani Arbel

The script i have is for terminal mode RAS. Which RAS are you using? 

On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, [windows-1255] ôåôåá éáâðé wrote:

 Did not managed to configure RAS to use terminal mode. After getting
 connection, Minicom is silent as partizan.
 BTW, this is RRAS, not RAS ( they have an improved version, including packet
 filtering, dynamic routing etc). But i tried with regular one as well.
 Untill now i succeeded only with PAP (  without dial-back). Never tried
 CHAT/MSCHAT.
 
 I will try both scripts and CHAT/MSCHAT for dial-back.
 
 Your sample scrips would be more than desirable.
 
  It is done via a script. The RAS MUST allow shell access, and then the
  script is run in terminal mode. Timing is important, as the initiating
  modem must hangup before the server starts the dial back. If it is needed
  i can providea sample script.
  Dani
  
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Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner

2000-08-20 Thread Gavrie Philipson

Moshe Zadka wrote:
 
 On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Nadav Har'El wrote:
 
  (i.e., the dinner will probably be kosher
  after all, whether MosheZ likes it or not).
 
 It's not a matter of "liking", it's a matter of being there. You're free
 to have the dinner wherever you want -- I won't be there if it's Kosher.
 I'm sorry I didn't make it clearer sooner.

Hmm... and what are your criteria for it "being kosher"?
Is a certificate from the Rabbanut enough for you not to come, or must
the food itself be non-kosher? Is kosher meat acceptable, as long as
it's served with cheese? Does the act of adding the cheese render the
meal acceptable to you, which otherwise it wouldn't be?
And, as one of the criteria was the option of vegetarian meals -- are
you going to order special, genetically-engineered non-kosher
vegetables, maybe produced by adding pig genes to vegetables?

Grow up!

Gavrie.

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