Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread guy keren


did any of you consider using the icq masuerading module along with a
masquerading firewall, in order to hide the local IP addresses?

you can find the link to this module's page on the IP masquerading HOWTO.
this module's doc describes an option to replace the local ("secret" :)  )
IP with the IP of the masquerade server (the linux firewall). the module
doesn't support the new protocol introduced with ICQ2000 - only the older
protocols.

ofcoure, you need to trust this module in order to use it (thought the
source code is not very large - about 1165 lines of code).

--
guy

"For world domination - press 1,
 or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: OT: Looking for ADSL subscribers in Givatayim

2000-12-25 Thread Dani Arbel

Try to install ethereal and see what is going on the line.
Dani

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Omer Efraim wrote:

> Dani Arbel wrote:
> > 
> > Did you install according to the HOWTO-ADSL-BEZEQ ?
> > Dani
> Yes, the installation is irellevant, as the problem
> is not at this end. I've also tried OpenBSD/Win2k/Win98SE.
> This is the same problem I mailed the list about recently.
> 
> > 
> > On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Omer Efraim wrote:
> > 
> > > Sorry to bother the list with such nonsense, but I cannot
> > > think of another way to do that (Bezeq said they'll help,
> > > but no go so far).
> > >
> > > As to the matter at hand: I'm looking for other
> > > ADSL subscribers in Givatayim. I have a problem with
> > > my ADSL connection, and have already ruled out the
> > > possibility that it's a problem at my end or the ISP's
> > > (as I tried several, as well as using various default
> > > configurations and different computers/NICs/OSs at my
> > > end). That leaves Bezeq.
> > >
> > > Having spoken to Bezeq, I know that there is a single
> > > RedBack router at Givatayim, and I have cause to believe
> > > it (or it's configuration) is the source of the problem.
> > >
> > > In order to verify this, I need some help testing from
> > > other subscribers in the Givatayim area.
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any reference to such people - if you
> > > such a person, you are probably also touched/will be touched
> > > by this issue.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > --
> > >  /-- Omer Efraim ---\
> > > /--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove spam_me) \
> > > | I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world  |
> > > | without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world,   |
> > > | because they'd never expect it.|
> > > \--  Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts  /
> > >
> > > =
> > > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
> > > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
> > > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> 
> 
> -- 
>  /-- Omer Efraim ---\
> /--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove spam_me) \
> | I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world  |
> | without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world,   |
> | because they'd never expect it.|
> \--  Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts  /
> 
> =
> To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
> the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
> echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread ishaybas

what firewall was installed that was protecting the ICQ clients? how was it
configured? are you sure there was no trojan installed anywhere? how about
icq homepage? I know this feature had some trouble before.
It is very hard for me to believe such an issue missed bugtraq..

Ishay

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of System1
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 5:50 PM
To: 'Nadav Har'El'; 'Alon Oz'
Cc: System1; 'Hetz Ben Hamo'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ipchains


this is not correct.
with simple UDP sniffer you can find the victim private IP.
with bit more complex tools you can even scan the inside network.
I dont know how much attention this issue got on mailing lists such as
BugTraq
but I saw how its being made with very simple tools.
the ICQ version I am talking about is ICQ 2000 versions.
Ill say it again ICQ create direct connection this means it passes the
firewall by opening ports higher than 1024 so its a problem to block it
cause I cant block this ports.
for me to know that people from outside the office network can find out ips
like 10.10.1.x is enough to choose block the ICQ.
so the solution I found was to block the output to the whole domain
login.icq.com so users cant make login.
and hope there are no other servers they can login to with ICQ.

as for Nadav Har'El request for more data. I didnt saw anything on this
issue at BugTraq I dont think many knows about this.
The person who show us this vulnerability didnt say where he found it. but
we saw how he make it.

Moran.



-Original Message-
From: Nadav Har'El [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 5:26 PM
To: Alon Oz
Subject: Re: ipchains

Sure enough, _no_ packet is ever sent out of the firewall with either of
the "secret" addresses, so that ICQ will only know the firewall's (publicly
known) address.





=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]



=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo

AO>> But if icq.com(example) got my packet and know my "secret" intranet
AO>> addresses

Oh, yeah, those defined in top-secret RFC1918? 10.1.1.1? 10.10.1.1?
192.168.1.1? 172.16.1.1? Am I l33t haxx0r already? 
Guess how many pings is it going to take me to know each
internet-accessible address on your network after knowing one by looking
up your mailserver?

-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  \/  There shall be counsels taken
Stanislav Malyshev  /\  Stronger than Morgul-spells
phone +972-3-9316425/\  JRRT LotR.
http://sharat.co.il/frodo/  whois:!SM8333





=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: PostgreSQL & Hebrew Charset

2000-12-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Ben-Nes Michael wrote:

> Hi
> 
> does any one know if postgresl (7) support hebrew charset ? (sorting,
> group ... )
> If so, what is the way to enable it ?

Can't give you a direct answer, but:

Does pgsql uses localized glibc functions? see locale (7).

If so: set the LANG (or just some appropriate LC_* vars) to "he" (or
"he_IL" or whatever)

Although setting the language for the whole process may not be desirable
for such an application.

-- 
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Xkb

2000-12-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Oren Held wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Sorry for the lame question.. but where can I get Xkb from ? what binary
> package of Xfree ? I tried what I thought it is in, but it's not there.

Xkb is an extention to the X11 protocol. It is supported by XFree. You can
explicitly disable Xkb support, but I figure you don't).

xkbcomp is a program that can compile a keyboard map using that extention
API , and optionally apply it to a display.

setxkbmap is a program that orders the X server to compile a map
(implemented using xkbcomp at the X server side). Some of the Xkb
front-ends use setxkb, as it has a convinient command-line interface.

-- 
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo

S>> the first step is using udp sniffer.

UDP sniffer on what?

S>> after that you have tools you can find on the web to preform scans in the
S>> network of the victim.

How? Can you name one such tool?

S>> you must have direct connection to the user for that. (I think its ICQ
S>> default).

ICQ doesn't need any connection at all, except for sending files. But even
having direct connection, it's pretty hard for me to see how you can
portscan some host using it. Could you please elaborate?

-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  \/  There shall be counsels taken
Stanislav Malyshev  /\  Stronger than Morgul-spells
phone +972-3-9316425/\  JRRT LotR.
http://sharat.co.il/frodo/  whois:!SM8333



=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo

S>> using ICQ remote attacker is able to make full port scan on networks behind
S>> the firewall.

How exactly one does that? Can you elaborate?

-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  \/  There shall be counsels taken
Stanislav Malyshev  /\  Stronger than Morgul-spells
phone +972-3-9316425/\  JRRT LotR.
http://sharat.co.il/frodo/  whois:!SM8333


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Alon Oz

Nadav Har'El wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2000, Alon Oz wrote about "Re: ipchains":
> > The ICQ protocol reveals the real IP of the computer running the client,
> > so even if you use GNU replacements it doesn't matter.
> 
> So what? Unless you have a completely-proxy-firewall (block everything and
> allow only application proxies), whatever packets you let through (be they http,
> ftp, or icq) carry the IP address of the machine behind the firewall. But
> so what? If you use globally addressable IP addresses, face the consequences...
> ARIN or RIPE will contain your address range and attackers can use that to
> try the attack on every one of your addresses; Alternatively, if you use NAT
> hen all outgoing packets will be given one IP address anyway, and your
> argument is (at least as I see it) false.

But if icq.com(example) got my packet and know my "secret" intranet
addresses
(NAT ofcourse, for security) or someone (attacker in potent) got it
through ICQ..I'm not (very) afraid to be attacked form icq.com, 
but i cannot trust an icq user. 

 
> Case in point:
> I set up a firewall at home that is delibratly open to ICQ (through-server
> messages only). The firewall does NAT for a couple of machines, each of them
> with a different IP address (from a reserved area of the address space).
> Sure enough, _no_ packet is ever sent out of the firewall with either of
> the "secret" addresses, so that ICQ will only know the firewall's (publicly
> known) address.

the icq client sends the ip of the machine running the client.
It's part of the protocol, just check.

> 
> > This "feature" opens a window for "crackers" to use various firewall
> > penetrating/piercing techniques.
> 
> This seems to me like "security by obscurity": all the crackers know is the
> IP address of ICQ using machines. How to use that in an attack that isn't
> possible by simply attacking all your addresses is beyond me.

An "attack" doesn't have to be DoS, read my lines, I'm talkin about
firewall penetrating techniques == attackers who are trying to get
into the intranet.

-- 
Alon Oz,
Aduva Research Team,
Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--
A proud member in the Evil Linux cyberterrorist hackers (ELCH) 
organization
A who can launch Denial of Service attacks against the embedded devices
in your 6-slice toaster with advanced pingflood Open Source classified
exploit codes hidden inside strongly encrypted Russian mafia pornography
that innocent American children download from online gambling web sites 
located in the Northern Mariana Islands

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: PostgreSQL & Hebrew Charset

2000-12-25 Thread Herouth Maoz

On Monday 25 December 2000 19:12, Ben-Nes Michael wrote:
> Hi
>
> does any one know if postgresl (7) support hebrew charset ? (sorting,
> group ... )
> If so, what is the way to enable it ?

I haven't used Postgres 7, but unless they changed the internals very 
seriously, it is supposed to support Hebrew, if you have the locale 
installed on your machine (iw_IL locale, if I'm not mistaken). Note 
that Postgres has to be compiled with --enable-locale.

Then, you have to set the proper environment variables to have locale 
affect the operation of the client (or the server - if you want the 
default to be Hebrew).

Not that there is much difference between using ISO-8859-1 or 
ISO-8859-8 for this purpose, since unlike mySQL, all Postgres queries 
are case-sensitive - so if you don't have Hebrew locale installed, you 
can settle for 8859-1. Just take care not to use "C" - I think it's a 
7-bit locale and won't like your Hebrew.

http://postgresql.readysetnet.com/devel-corner/docs/admin/charset.htm#LOCALE

Herouth

ÝØ unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo

AO>> The ICQ protocol reveals the real IP of the computer running the client,
AO>> so even if you use GNU replacements it doesn't matter.
AO>> This "feature" opens a window for "crackers" to use various firewall
AO>> penetrating/piercing techniques.

If the computer is behind the firewall, most chances you will get IP of
the firewall. Now, IP of the company's firewall is not the secret you can
keep - you leave it all over the Internet each time you connect out.

-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  \/  There shall be counsels taken
Stanislav Malyshev  /\  Stronger than Morgul-spells
phone +972-3-9316425/\  JRRT LotR.
http://sharat.co.il/frodo/  whois:!SM8333


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo

NH>> So what? Unless you have a completely-proxy-firewall (block
NH>> everything and allow only application proxies), whatever packets
NH>> you let through (be they http, ftp, or icq) carry the IP address
NH>> of the machine behind the firewall. But so what? If you use

I give you address of a machine behind a firewall. It's 10.1.4.12. Now
what you gonna do? Intranet IPs do not carry any information except of the
mood of the sysadmin who configured them. Take random intranet IP and you
have a good chance hitting some machine. And what?

-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  \/  There shall be counsels taken
Stanislav Malyshev  /\  Stronger than Morgul-spells
phone +972-3-9316425/\  JRRT LotR.
http://sharat.co.il/frodo/  whois:!SM8333


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: OT: Looking for ADSL subscribers in Givatayim

2000-12-25 Thread Omer Efraim

Dani Arbel wrote:
> 
> Did you install according to the HOWTO-ADSL-BEZEQ ?
> Dani
Yes, the installation is irellevant, as the problem
is not at this end. I've also tried OpenBSD/Win2k/Win98SE.
This is the same problem I mailed the list about recently.

> 
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Omer Efraim wrote:
> 
> > Sorry to bother the list with such nonsense, but I cannot
> > think of another way to do that (Bezeq said they'll help,
> > but no go so far).
> >
> > As to the matter at hand: I'm looking for other
> > ADSL subscribers in Givatayim. I have a problem with
> > my ADSL connection, and have already ruled out the
> > possibility that it's a problem at my end or the ISP's
> > (as I tried several, as well as using various default
> > configurations and different computers/NICs/OSs at my
> > end). That leaves Bezeq.
> >
> > Having spoken to Bezeq, I know that there is a single
> > RedBack router at Givatayim, and I have cause to believe
> > it (or it's configuration) is the source of the problem.
> >
> > In order to verify this, I need some help testing from
> > other subscribers in the Givatayim area.
> >
> > I would appreciate any reference to such people - if you
> > such a person, you are probably also touched/will be touched
> > by this issue.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --
> >  /-- Omer Efraim ---\
> > /--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove spam_me) \
> > | I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world  |
> > | without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world,   |
> > | because they'd never expect it.|
> > \--  Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts  /
> >
> > =
> > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
> > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
> > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >


-- 
 /-- Omer Efraim ---\
/--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove spam_me) \
| I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world  |
| without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world,   |
| because they'd never expect it.|
\--  Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts  /

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Xkb

2000-12-25 Thread Oren Held

Hi

Sorry for the lame question.. but where can I get Xkb from ? what binary
package of Xfree ? I tried what I thought it is in, but it's not there.

Thanks,
Oren.


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: Are real modem extincted ?

2000-12-25 Thread Ely Levy

On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, David Hananel wrote:

|  WHAT?
|  In kernel 2.4.0 winmodems should work?
should I donno which exact modems it would work should be any pctel chiped
modem.
|  Are you sure?
|  It's called an unstable kernel, Why? What makes it unstable? I want linux to
it's not unstable it's the test of the stable. they have one bug they
can't figure out and it would change something in the API and since you
can't change API in stable relase they wait.(please don't ask which bug;)


|  work with my wimmodem If I will install kernel 2.4.0, will it work?

Welp try it. I mean just compile the kernel and see if it would work
at worse case you wasted few hours.(thinking of it if you think compiling 
a new kernel is a waste of time you probebly got the wrong OS..
nothing much the pleasure of watching the new features while you move
across the xconfig)
  
|  David

Ely  


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: Are real modem extincted ?

2000-12-25 Thread Ely Levy

hmm am too tired to look the exact place where it says it.
but 
drivers/pci/pci.ids

134d  PCTel Inc
7890  HSP MicroModem 56
7891  HSP MicroModem 56
134d 0001  HSP MicroModem 56
7892  HSP MicroModem 56
7893  HSP MicroModem 56
7894  HSP MicroModem 56
7895  HSP MicroModem 56
7896  HSP MicroModem 56
7897  HSP MicroModem 56

they acknoladge thier existance;)

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University 
Jerusalem Israel



On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Matan Ziv-Av wrote:

|  
|  > WHAT?
|  > In kernel 2.4.0 winmodems should work?
|  > Are you sure?
|  > It's called an unstable kernel, Why? What makes it unstable? I want linux to
|  > work with my wimmodem If I will install kernel 2.4.0, will it work?
|  
|  It's unrelated to kernel 2.4. Probably your winmodem has a
|  (proprietary) linux driver. Search at www.linmodems.org
|  
|  
|  --
|  Matan Ziv-Av.   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  
|  
|  =
|  To unsubscribe, send mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
|  the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
|  echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  
|  


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, System1 wrote:

> the first step is using udp sniffer.
> after that you have tools you can find on the webto preform scans in the
> network of the victim.
> you must have direct connection to the user for that. (I think its ICQ
> default).

Is that correct?

Then you can make sure there is no direct connection (and thus all illegal
requsts are filtered out)

Is your connection a masqurading one? If so: disable any socks proxy, and
the icq client can'y listen on a port (it can still rercieve messages from
the server, and can still send files, but not recive files).

If not: I figure you need an icq proxy for that. I know one is availble
from mirabilis, but considering that: (a) it costs money and (b) they are
the ones who wrote that client, so would you trust them, I'm not so sure
this is the proxy you would choose.

Is there any alternative proxy?

-- 
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: OT: Looking for ADSL subscribers in Givatayim

2000-12-25 Thread Dani Arbel

Did you install according to the HOWTO-ADSL-BEZEQ ?
Dani

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Omer Efraim wrote:

> Sorry to bother the list with such nonsense, but I cannot
> think of another way to do that (Bezeq said they'll help,
> but no go so far).
> 
> As to the matter at hand: I'm looking for other
> ADSL subscribers in Givatayim. I have a problem with
> my ADSL connection, and have already ruled out the
> possibility that it's a problem at my end or the ISP's
> (as I tried several, as well as using various default
> configurations and different computers/NICs/OSs at my
> end). That leaves Bezeq.
> 
> Having spoken to Bezeq, I know that there is a single
> RedBack router at Givatayim, and I have cause to believe
> it (or it's configuration) is the source of the problem.
> 
> In order to verify this, I need some help testing from
> other subscribers in the Givatayim area.
> 
> I would appreciate any reference to such people - if you
> such a person, you are probably also touched/will be touched
> by this issue.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- 
>  /-- Omer Efraim ---\
> /--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove spam_me) \
> | I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world  |
> | without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world,   |
> | because they'd never expect it.|
> \--  Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts  /
> 
> =
> To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
> the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
> echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Ely Levy

actually icq 2000 pass the firewall by letting you open the port
it uses the same protocl as aim now..


Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University 
Jerusalem Israel



On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, System1 wrote:

|  this is not correct.
|  with simple UDP sniffer you can find the victim private IP.
|  with bit more complex tools you can even scan the inside network.
|  I dont know how much attention this issue got on mailing lists such as
|  BugTraq
|  but I saw how its beingmade with very simple tools.
|  the ICQ version I am talking about is ICQ 2000 versions.
|  Ill say it again ICQ create direct connection this means it passes the
|  firewall by opening ports higher than 1024 so its a problem to block it
|  cause I cant block this ports.
|  for me to know that people from outside the office network can find out ips
|  like 10.10.1.x is enough to choose block the ICQ.
|  so the solution I found was to block the output to the whole domain
|  login.icq.com so users cant make login.
|  and hope there are no other servers they can login to with ICQ.
|  
|  as for Nadav Har'El request for more data. I didnt saw anything on this
|  issue at BugTraq I dont think many knows about this.
|  The person who show us this vulnerability didnt say where he found it. but
|  we saw how he make it.
|  
|  Moran.
|  
|  
|  
|  -Original Message-
|  From: Nadav Har'El [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|  Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 5:26 PM
|  To: Alon Oz
|  Subject: Re: ipchains
|  
|  Sure enough, _no_ packet is ever sent out of the firewall with either of
|  the "secret" addresses, so that ICQ will only know the firewall's (publicly
|  known) address.
|  
|  
|  
|  
|  
|  =
|  To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
|  the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
|  echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  
|  


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Sendmail

2000-12-25 Thread Ely Levy

port 110 is pop3 not sendmail..
adding another book to the pile tal?;)

on redhat 7

/etc/xinetd.d/ipop3 I think edit it to run
any other linux /etc/inetd.conf uncommand the line

Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University 
Jerusalem Israel



On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Joe wrote:

|  Maybe /hosts.deny ?
|  - Original Message -
|  From: "Amir Tal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|  To: "Iglu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|  Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 5:58 PM
|  Subject: Sendmail
|  
|  
|  > hi list,
|  >
|  > when telneting to localhost on port 25, sendmail reply's.
|  > when trying to port 110, i get :
|  >
|  > Trying 127.0.0.1...
|  > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
|  >
|  > the port is listed at /etc/services , and sendmail is able to send
|  messages
|  > to the outside world.
|  > can anyone direct me what to check ?
|  >
|  >
|  > 
|  >_|_|_Best Regard's ,
|  > ( )   *  Amir Tal,
|  > /v\  /   System Administrator
|  > /( )XIntercomp Ltd.
|  >(m_m) fax : 09-9526170
|  > | |  ICQ : 15748705
|  > | (_)_ __Office : 09-9526993.
|  > | | | '_ \| | | \ \/ /
|  > | | | | | | |_| |><
|  > |_)_|_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\
|  > visit us at www.legacy2web.com.
|  > 
|  >
|  >
|  > =
|  > To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
|  > the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
|  > echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  >
|  >
|  
|  =
|  To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
|  the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
|  echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|  
|  


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




PostgreSQL & Hebrew Charset

2000-12-25 Thread Ben-Nes Michael

Hi

does any one know if postgresl (7) support hebrew charset ? (sorting,
group ... )
If so, what is the way to enable it ?

--
--
Canaan Surfing Ltd.
Internet Service Providers
Ben-Nes Michael - Manager
Tel: 972-6-6925757
Fax: 972-6-6925858
http://www.canaan.co.il
--



=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Are real modem extincted ?

2000-12-25 Thread Joe


From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Oren Held" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Linux-IL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 8:54 AM

> > > It's unrelated to kernel 2.4. Probably your winmodem has a
> > > (proprietary) linux driver. Search at www.linmodems.org
> >
> > Almost no winmodem has an 'external' linux driver. I still didn't hear
> > about this 2.4.0 support.. but about the drivers from linmodems.org, the
> > only REAL, open sourced driver is for lucent modems. all the others are
> > binaries that works only with a specific (usually very old) version of
the
> > kernel.
>
> It seems that PCtel, Lucent, and Cirrus Logic have linux drivers, which
> makes most modems supported. Cirrus drivers are also free.

Well.   the PCtel drivers won't compile with every ditribution. The
Lucent drivers won't work with all kernels.

There will always be issues with this stuff, I have tried almost every type
of winmodem and I am on the Linmodem mailing list. You are simply better off
just getting a hardware modem.

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Mon, Dec 25, 2000, System1 wrote about "ipchains":
> the first step is using udp sniffer.
> after that you have tools you can find on the web to preform scans in the
> network of the victim.
> you must have direct connection to the user for that. (I think its ICQ
> default).
> 
> Moran.

Ok... I see you're feeding us the real problem a spoonful at a time ;)

A direct connection also doesn't work under NAT (unless you have a special
masquarading feature that changes the content of packets), and because it
uses non-well-known ports, it's also hard to set up for a mostly-blocking
packet filter firewall (a firewall that blocks everything except predefined
ports/hosts). So you can prevent non-hacker users from using direct connection
(with a mostly-blocking firewall) while letting them use the through-server
connection.

BTW, since you still haven't told us all the details of this vulnerability,
I have to ask another question: Does it depend on the attacker sending the
victim packets with false source-address (e.g., making it look like other
addresses behind the firewall)? If so, such false packets are easy to stop
at the firewall, and this because a non-problem. If, however, the false IP
address comes from ICQ's server inside a packet, then it's a problem, but I
don't see how the attacker can use that data...

Can you point us to some URL about this ICQ problem?

-- 
Nadav Har'El|  Monday, Dec 25 2000, 28 Kislev 5761
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |-
Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Linux: Because rebooting is for adding
http://nadav.harel.org.il   |new hardware.

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: rsh problems

2000-12-25 Thread Ariel Biener

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Erez Doron wrote:


When you use rsh without a command, it uses rlogin.

Please send us your /etc/inetd.conf configuration, and also check it
yourself (on the receiving host).

If you are able to use strace, you can also debug both the rsh client on
the calling side, and the in.rshd daemon on the receiving side.

--Ariel
> HI
> 
> I'm using the 'rsh'command to execute command on a remote computer:
> when i issue:
> local> rsh remote echo hello
> 
> it waits for a lot of time and tells me:
> poll: protocol failure in circuit setup
> 
> but if i do only 'rsh remote' and then ' echohello' it works !
> 
> any idea ?
> 
> thanks
> erez.
> 
> 
> 
> =
> To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
> the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
> echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

--
Ariel Biener
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread System1

this is not correct.
with simple UDP sniffer you can find the victim private IP.
with bit more complex tools you can even scan the inside network.
I dont know how much attention this issue got on mailing lists such as
BugTraq
but I saw how its being made with very simple tools.
the ICQ version I am talking about is ICQ 2000 versions.
Ill say it again ICQ create direct connection this means it passes the
firewall by opening ports higher than 1024 so its a problem to block it
cause I cant block this ports.
for me to know that people from outside the office network can find out ips
like 10.10.1.x is enough to choose block the ICQ.
so the solution I found was to block the output to the whole domain
login.icq.com so users cant make login.
and hope there are no other servers they can login to with ICQ.

as for Nadav Har'El request for more data. I didnt saw anything on this
issue at BugTraq I dont think many knows about this.
The person who show us this vulnerability didnt say where he found it. but
we saw how he make it.

Moran.



-Original Message-
From: Nadav Har'El [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 5:26 PM
To: Alon Oz
Subject: Re: ipchains

Sure enough, _no_ packet is ever sent out of the firewall with either of
the "secret" addresses, so that ICQ will only know the firewall's (publicly
known) address.





=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread System1



-Original Message-
From: System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 5:13 PM
To: 'Ishay Sommer'
Subject: RE: ipchains


the first step is using udp sniffer.
after that you have tools you can find on the web to preform scans in the
network of the victim.
you must have direct connection to the user for that. (I think its ICQ
default).

Moran.

-Original Message-
From: Ishay Sommer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 4:50 PM
To: 'System1'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ipchains


can you point us out to this tool?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of System1
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 4:42 PM
To: 'Hetz Ben Hamo'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ipchains


using ICQ remote attacker is able to make full port scan on networks behind
the firewall.
If ICQ gives people the ability to make scans of my servers that are behind
firewall I dont want it here. its only troubles.
as you can understand we are blocking ICQ not because the files option. (at
least trying to block it)

Moran.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hetz Ben Hamo
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 4:34 PM
To: System1
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ipchains


Well, if I was a sys admin, then I would allow ICQ..

BUT, I would prevent the ports that needed to send/receive files or chat
(these
are the ports in the confguration menu)...

Blocking ICQ messages seems harder and harder - you can even configure ICQ
to
send messages with port 80, 21,23, 25, 110 and some other ports - depends
how
smart is the end user...

Ofcourse, you can just rule out usage in your company :)

Hetz

System1 wrote:
>
> its not so easy , i blocked while ago port 5194 (icq login port) but today
i
> found users still able to connect.
> so i made port scan on login.icq.com and found that they have above 100
> ports you can login to incase your admin locks you out :)
> so what i did was adding the following rule:
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d login.icq.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d web.icq.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
>
> and to block aol messanger (another client with security bugs which allows
> remote attacker take full control of users systems)
>
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d login.oscar.aol.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
>
> Moran.

--
Hetz Ben Hamo
Hardware Research dept.
Aduva Inc.

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Mon, Dec 25, 2000, Alon Oz wrote about "Re: ipchains":
> The ICQ protocol reveals the real IP of the computer running the client,
> so even if you use GNU replacements it doesn't matter.

So what? Unless you have a completely-proxy-firewall (block everything and
allow only application proxies), whatever packets you let through (be they http,
ftp, or icq) carry the IP address of the machine behind the firewall. But
so what? If you use globally addressable IP addresses, face the consequences...
ARIN or RIPE will contain your address range and attackers can use that to
try the attack on every one of your addresses; Alternatively, if you use NAT 
hen all outgoing packets will be given one IP address anyway, and your
argument is (at least as I see it) false.

Case in point:
I set up a firewall at home that is delibratly open to ICQ (through-server
messages only). The firewall does NAT for a couple of machines, each of them
with a different IP address (from a reserved area of the address space).
Sure enough, _no_ packet is ever sent out of the firewall with either of
the "secret" addresses, so that ICQ will only know the firewall's (publicly
known) address.

> This "feature" opens a window for "crackers" to use various firewall
> penetrating/piercing techniques.

This seems to me like "security by obscurity": all the crackers know is the
IP address of ICQ using machines. How to use that in an attack that isn't
possible by simply attacking all your addresses is beyond me.

-- 
Nadav Har'El|  Monday, Dec 25 2000, 28 Kislev 5761
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |-
Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |I had a lovely evening. Unfortunately,
http://nadav.harel.org.il   |this wasn't it. - Groucho Marx

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Alon Oz

Ishay Sommer wrote:
> 
> email headers sent via smtp include the original ip from which the message
> sent from
> 

Not if you make a few changes to the mailer (checked on qmail/sendmail)

-- 
Alon Oz,
Aduva Research Team,
Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--
A proud member in the Evil Linux cyberterrorist hackers (ELCH) 
organization
A who can launch Denial of Service attacks against the embedded devices
in your 6-slice toaster with advanced pingflood Open Source classified
exploit codes hidden inside strongly encrypted Russian mafia pornography
that innocent American children download from online gambling web sites 
located in the Northern Mariana Islands

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Ishay Sommer

can you point us out to this tool?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of System1
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 4:42 PM
To: 'Hetz Ben Hamo'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: ipchains


using ICQ remote attacker is able to make full port scan on networks behind
the firewall.
If ICQ gives people the ability to make scans of my servers that are behind
firewall I dont want it here. its only troubles.
as you can understand we are blocking ICQ not because the files option. (at
least trying to block it)

Moran.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hetz Ben Hamo
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 4:34 PM
To: System1
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ipchains


Well, if I was a sys admin, then I would allow ICQ..

BUT, I would prevent the ports that needed to send/receive files or chat
(these
are the ports in the confguration menu)...

Blocking ICQ messages seems harder and harder - you can even configure ICQ
to
send messages with port 80, 21,23, 25, 110 and some other ports - depends
how
smart is the end user...

Ofcourse, you can just rule out usage in your company :)

Hetz

System1 wrote:
>
> its not so easy , i blocked while ago port 5194 (icq login port) but today
i
> found users still able to connect.
> so i made port scan on login.icq.com and found that they have above 100
> ports you can login to incase your admin locks you out :)
> so what i did was adding the following rule:
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d login.icq.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d web.icq.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
>
> and to block aol messanger (another client with security bugs which allows
> remote attacker take full control of users systems)
>
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d login.oscar.aol.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
>
> Moran.

--
Hetz Ben Hamo
Hardware Research dept.
Aduva Inc.

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]



=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo

Well, if I was a sys admin, then I would allow ICQ..

BUT, I would prevent the ports that needed to send/receive files or chat (these
are the ports in the confguration menu)...

Blocking ICQ messages seems harder and harder - you can even configure ICQ to
send messages with port 80, 21,23, 25, 110 and some other ports - depends how
smart is the end user...

Ofcourse, you can just rule out usage in your company :)

Hetz

System1 wrote:
> 
> its not so easy , i blocked while ago port 5194 (icq login port) but today i
> found users still able to connect.
> so i made port scan on login.icq.com and found that they have above 100
> ports you can login to incase your admin locks you out :)
> so what i did was adding the following rule:
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d login.icq.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d web.icq.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
> 
> and to block aol messanger (another client with security bugs which allows
> remote attacker take full control of users systems)
> 
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d login.oscar.aol.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
> 
> Moran.

-- 
Hetz Ben Hamo
Hardware Research dept.
Aduva Inc.

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Alon Oz

Nadav Har'El wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2000, System1 wrote about "RE: ipchains":
> > using ICQ remote attacker is able to make full port scan on networks behind
> > the firewall.
> > If ICQ gives people the ability to make scans of my servers that are behind
> > firewall I dont want it here. its only troubles.
> > as you can understand we are blocking ICQ not because the files option. (at
> > least trying to block it)
> >
> > Moran.
> 
> Saying "its only troubles" is way too simplistic. Users are using it because
> they need it, like it, or whatever, and as you noticed, will make various
> attempts to circumvent your firewall to keep it going. To them, ICQ is not
> trouble - to them _you_ are trouble :)
> 
> I'm curious - which part of ICQ allows an attacker to do port scans on machines
> behind the firewall? Is this a feature (bug) of their client, or some basic
> feature (bug) of they way the ICQ protocol works?
> 
> P.S. I'm also behind a firewall that doesn't let ICQ through. I have a simple
> solution: log in to a "normal" machine outside the firewall (ssh is allowed
> through), and run micq (a textual client). You can also try searching for
> an ICQ application-proxy for your firewall (I don't know if one exists, though
> writing one that works for the simple cases seems easy enough).
> 
>
The ICQ protocol reveals the real IP of the computer running the client,
so even if you use GNU replacements it doesn't matter.
This "feature" opens a window for "crackers" to use various firewall
penetrating/piercing techniques.

-- 
Alon Oz,
Aduva Research Team,
Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--
A proud member in the Evil Linux cyberterrorist hackers (ELCH) 
organization
A who can launch Denial of Service attacks against the embedded devices
in your 6-slice toaster with advanced pingflood Open Source classified
exploit codes hidden inside strongly encrypted Russian mafia pornography
that innocent American children download from online gambling web sites 
located in the Northern Mariana Islands

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Mon, Dec 25, 2000, System1 wrote about "RE: ipchains":
> using ICQ remote attacker is able to make full port scan on networks behind
> the firewall.
> If ICQ gives people the ability to make scans of my servers that are behind
> firewall I dont want it here. its only troubles.
> as you can understand we are blocking ICQ not because the files option. (at
> least trying to block it)
> 
> Moran.

Saying "its only troubles" is way too simplistic. Users are using it because
they need it, like it, or whatever, and as you noticed, will make various
attempts to circumvent your firewall to keep it going. To them, ICQ is not
trouble - to them _you_ are trouble :)

I'm curious - which part of ICQ allows an attacker to do port scans on machines
behind the firewall? Is this a feature (bug) of their client, or some basic
feature (bug) of they way the ICQ protocol works?

P.S. I'm also behind a firewall that doesn't let ICQ through. I have a simple
solution: log in to a "normal" machine outside the firewall (ssh is allowed
through), and run micq (a textual client). You can also try searching for
an ICQ application-proxy for your firewall (I don't know if one exists, though
writing one that works for the simple cases seems easy enough).

-- 
Nadav Har'El|  Monday, Dec 25 2000, 28 Kislev 5761
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |-
Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |My password is my dog's name. His name
http://nadav.harel.org.il   |is a#j!4@h, but I change it every month.

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread System1

using ICQ remote attacker is able to make full port scan on networks behind
the firewall.
If ICQ gives people the ability to make scans of my servers that are behind
firewall I dont want it here. its only troubles.
as you can understand we are blocking ICQ not because the files option. (at
least trying to block it)

Moran.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hetz Ben Hamo
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 4:34 PM
To: System1
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ipchains


Well, if I was a sys admin, then I would allow ICQ..

BUT, I would prevent the ports that needed to send/receive files or chat
(these
are the ports in the confguration menu)...

Blocking ICQ messages seems harder and harder - you can even configure ICQ
to
send messages with port 80, 21,23, 25, 110 and some other ports - depends
how
smart is the end user...

Ofcourse, you can just rule out usage in your company :)

Hetz

System1 wrote:
>
> its not so easy , i blocked while ago port 5194 (icq login port) but today
i
> found users still able to connect.
> so i made port scan on login.icq.com and found that they have above 100
> ports you can login to incase your admin locks you out :)
> so what i did was adding the following rule:
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d login.icq.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d web.icq.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
>
> and to block aol messanger (another client with security bugs which allows
> remote attacker take full control of users systems)
>
> $IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d login.oscar.aol.com 0: -i
> $OUTERIF -j DENY
>
> Moran.

--
Hetz Ben Hamo
Hardware Research dept.
Aduva Inc.

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Mon, Dec 25, 2000, System1 wrote about "ipchains":
> its not so easy , i blocked while ago port 5194 (icq login port) but today i
> found users still able to connect.
>..
> and to block aol messanger (another client with security bugs which allows
> remote attacker take full control of users systems)

What do you mean "another" client? Do you mean to imply that ICQ's client
also has such a vulerability? Which version?

Also, since this is a Linux group after all, you won't be surprised that many
of us use non-official clients like licq or micq, which don't share any bugs
with ICQ's official client.

So I urge you to rethink blocking ICQ. Unless you have a very strong
justification (e.g., you run a school network and the kids have been using
ICQ for trafficking drugs), then the block will just annoy your users,
with no real security benefit (will you also delete Microsoft Outlook from
every computer when a VB virus is on the loose? Or more to the point,
completely block port 25 when such a virus is spreading?)


-- 
Nadav Har'El|  Monday, Dec 25 2000, 28 Kislev 5761
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |-
Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |A professor is one who talks in someone
http://nadav.harel.org.il   |else's sleep.

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread System1

its not so easy , i blocked while ago port 5194 (icq login port) but today i
found users still able to connect.
so i made port scan on login.icq.com and found that they have above 100
ports you can login to incase your admin locks you out :)
so what i did was adding the following rule:
$IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d login.icq.com 0: -i
$OUTERIF -j DENY
$IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d web.icq.com 0: -i
$OUTERIF -j DENY

and to block aol messanger (another client with security bugs which allows
remote attacker take full control of users systems)

$IPCHAINS -A output -p tcp -s $REMOTENET -d login.oscar.aol.com 0: -i
$OUTERIF -j DENY

Moran.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alon Oz
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 2:56 PM
To: Jonathan Ben-Avraham
Cc: ILUG
Subject: Re: ipchains


Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
>
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Alon Oz wrote:
>
> > Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Alon Oz wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, System1 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > we are using here IPChains Firewall.
> > > > > > Is there anyway to block complete domain such as *.icq.com ?
> > > > >
> > > > > No, not with ipchains, because -s accepts only a hostname, network
address
> > > > > or plain IP address
> > > > >
> > > > You dig all the domains under icq.com and add block rules for it in
a
> > > > loop.
> > >
> > > Very nice.
> > > How do I write the loop?
> >
> > 1. I just checked icq.com and you cannot dig the domains under it.
> > 2. You have another option: nslookup icq.com returns 3 ip addresses,
> >scan these blocks for .icq.com pattern and block the ones you find,
> >it's not perfect but it's better than nothing
> >and i assume it will solve your problem.
> >You can write the script with any scriping language
> >(you can search the web for shell scripting tutorial)
>
> Ok, but my experience with these IP's is that they change every year or
> so. So isn't it better to block at the service level and not at the IP
> level?

A bit more logical, but you asked about blocking the domain :).
Block all the icq ports and that's it.

--
Alon Oz,
Aduva Research Team,
Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--
A proud member in the Evil Linux cyberterrorist hackers (ELCH)
organization
A who can launch Denial of Service attacks against the embedded devices
in your 6-slice toaster with advanced pingflood Open Source classified
exploit codes hidden inside strongly encrypted Russian mafia pornography
that innocent American children download from online gambling web sites
located in the Northern Mariana Islands

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Alon Oz

Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Alon Oz wrote:
> 
> > Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Alon Oz wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, System1 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > we are using here IPChains Firewall.
> > > > > > Is there anyway to block complete domain such as *.icq.com ?
> > > > >
> > > > > No, not with ipchains, because -s accepts only a hostname, network address
> > > > > or plain IP address
> > > > >
> > > > You dig all the domains under icq.com and add block rules for it in a
> > > > loop.
> > >
> > > Very nice.
> > > How do I write the loop?
> >
> > 1. I just checked icq.com and you cannot dig the domains under it.
> > 2. You have another option: nslookup icq.com returns 3 ip addresses,
> >scan these blocks for .icq.com pattern and block the ones you find,
> >it's not perfect but it's better than nothing
> >and i assume it will solve your problem.
> >You can write the script with any scriping language
> >(you can search the web for shell scripting tutorial)
> 
> Ok, but my experience with these IP's is that they change every year or
> so. So isn't it better to block at the service level and not at the IP
> level?

A bit more logical, but you asked about blocking the domain :).
Block all the icq ports and that's it.

-- 
Alon Oz,
Aduva Research Team,
Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--
A proud member in the Evil Linux cyberterrorist hackers (ELCH) 
organization
A who can launch Denial of Service attacks against the embedded devices
in your 6-slice toaster with advanced pingflood Open Source classified
exploit codes hidden inside strongly encrypted Russian mafia pornography
that innocent American children download from online gambling web sites 
located in the Northern Mariana Islands

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




OT: Looking for ADSL subscribers in Givatayim

2000-12-25 Thread Omer Efraim

Sorry to bother the list with such nonsense, but I cannot
think of another way to do that (Bezeq said they'll help,
but no go so far).

As to the matter at hand: I'm looking for other
ADSL subscribers in Givatayim. I have a problem with
my ADSL connection, and have already ruled out the
possibility that it's a problem at my end or the ISP's
(as I tried several, as well as using various default
configurations and different computers/NICs/OSs at my
end). That leaves Bezeq.

Having spoken to Bezeq, I know that there is a single
RedBack router at Givatayim, and I have cause to believe
it (or it's configuration) is the source of the problem.

In order to verify this, I need some help testing from
other subscribers in the Givatayim area.

I would appreciate any reference to such people - if you
such a person, you are probably also touched/will be touched
by this issue.

Thank you.

-- 
 /-- Omer Efraim ---\
/--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove spam_me) \
| I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world  |
| without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world,   |
| because they'd never expect it.|
\--  Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts  /

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Jonathan Ben-Avraham

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Alon Oz wrote:

> Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, System1 wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > we are using here IPChains Firewall.
> > > Is there anyway to block complete domain such as *.icq.com ?
> > 
> > No, not with ipchains, because -s accepts only a hostname, network address
> > or plain IP address
> > 
> You dig all the domains under icq.com and add block rules for it in a
> loop.

Very nice.
How do I write the loop?

 - yba

> (man dig, man $YOUR_FAVORATE_SHELL)
> 
> 
> 

   EE 77 7F 30 4A 64 2E C5  83 5F E7 49 A6 82 29 BA~. .~   TclTek Ltd.
 =}-ooO--U--Ooo---{=
  - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - tel: +972.52.670.353, http://www.tcltek.co.il -


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Alon Oz

Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, System1 wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi,
> > we are using here IPChains Firewall.
> > Is there anyway to block complete domain such as *.icq.com ?
> 
> No, not with ipchains, because -s accepts only a hostname, network address
> or plain IP address
> 
You dig all the domains under icq.com and add block rules for it in a
loop.
(man dig, man $YOUR_FAVORATE_SHELL)


-- 
Alon Oz,
Aduva Research Team,
Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--
A proud member in the Evil Linux cyberterrorist hackers (ELCH) 
organization
A who can launch Denial of Service attacks against the embedded devices
in your 6-slice toaster with advanced pingflood Open Source classified
exploit codes hidden inside strongly encrypted Russian mafia pornography
that innocent American children download from online gambling web sites 
located in the Northern Mariana Islands

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread Jonathan Ben-Avraham

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, System1 wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> we are using here IPChains Firewall.
> Is there anyway to block complete domain such as *.icq.com ?

No, not with ipchains, because -s accepts only a hostname, network address
or plain IP address

You can block mail from complete domains using qmail, sendmail and exim.

You can block web pages from complete domains using apache

You can block telnet, ftp and other services that use inetd/xinetd using

tcp wrappers (/etc/host.deny)

Regards,

 - yba

> 
> Moran.
> 
> =
> To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
> the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
> echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 

   EE 77 7F 30 4A 64 2E C5  83 5F E7 49 A6 82 29 BA~. .~   TclTek Ltd.
 =}-ooO--U--Ooo---{=
  - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - tel: +972.52.670.353, http://www.tcltek.co.il -


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: rsh problems

2000-12-25 Thread Boaz Rymland

Erez Doron wrote:
> 
> HI
> 
> I'm using the 'rsh'  command to execute command on a remote computer:
> when i issue:
> local> rsh remote echo hello
> 
> it waits for a lot of time and tells me:
> poll: protocol failure in circuit setup
> 
> but if i do only 'rsh remote' and then ' echo hello' it works !
> 
> any idea ?
> 
> thanks
> erez.

I had just the same problem, but I cant remember how it was finally solved...
;-)

Can you post the NIC cards models, kernel version (and special related drivers
used) special networking HW on the way between the two machines, etc' etc'
relevant information ?

Boaz.
-- 
/"\
\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign
 x  Against HTML Mail
/ \

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




ipchains

2000-12-25 Thread System1


Hi,
we are using here IPChains Firewall.
Is there anyway to block complete domain such as *.icq.com ?

Moran.

=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




rsh problems

2000-12-25 Thread Erez Doron

HI

I'm using the 'rsh'  command to execute command on a remote computer:
when i issue:
local> rsh remote echo hello

it waits for a lot of time and tells me:
poll: protocol failure in circuit setup

but if i do only 'rsh remote' and then ' echo hello' it works !

any idea ?

thanks
erez.



=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Sendmail

2000-12-25 Thread guy keren


On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Henry Ficher wrote:

> On Saturday 23 December 2000 17:58, Amir Tal wrote:

> > when telneting to localhost on port 25, sendmail reply's.
> > when trying to port 110, i get :
> >
> > Trying 127.0.0.1...
> > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
> >
> > the port is listed at /etc/services , and sendmail is able to send messages
> > to the outside world.
> > can anyone direct me what to check ?
>
> Yea. See that you have the telnet server installed and check if it's enabled
> in /etc/inetd.conf.

henry - you seem to have misread his question. he is trying to telnet into
port _110_ (which is supposed to be the pop3 daemon's default port). not
into port 25 (which is the telnet server's default port).

he needs to check if he has a pop3 server installed or not. not a telnet
server. its either not installed, or its entry is not marked properly in
'/etc/inetd.conf'.

--
guy

"For world domination - press 1,
 or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy


=
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command
echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]