RE: [OT] Learning CS
Good point. As an employer, Technion and Hebrew University are #1, with Tel-Aviv very close. Bar-Ilan and Ben-Gurion are #2, with the Open University close behind. Haifa comes in last. There are a couple of colleges that give occasional good candidates: Tel-Aviv, Holon and the Interdisciplinary center in Hertzeliya, but the level of the college graduate varies much more that university graduates. Of course, keep in mind that this is an average impression. I've interviewed Technion graduates who couldn't code their way out of a paper bag, and one of my best engineers graduated from the Tel-Aviv college. For sorting CVs for an entry level position, the university is a good first approximation. The more experience a candidate has, the less relevant the university becomes. Good luck! Rony p.s. - Fair disclosure: My BSc. is from the Technion, and my MSc. from Tel-Aviv U. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hyams Iftach Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:20 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Learning CS There was this student that shifted from the Technion the BGU is the third semester. The average level in both universities raised. It is a good idea to see the markets (=employers) point of view. It is more marketing issue then technical but there is an hierarchy. It might be prejudice on their behalf but it will affect you. This e-mail message has been sent by Elbit Systems Ltd. and is for the use of the intended recipients only. The message may contain privileged or commercial confidential information . If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, and you are requested to delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify the sender immediately. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] Learning CS
Just curious. Do you have experience with graduates of the Jerusalem College of Technology (a.k.a., Machon Lev, a.k.a., Beit Sefer Gavoa L'technologia Yerushalayim). I've never worked in private industry in Israel, so I was curious about some impressions of our place. ~~ Haim (Howard) Roman | Computer Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Jerusalem College of Technology, ISRAEL ~~ | FROM - Rony Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] | WHEN - 23 June 2004, 11:02 | SUBJ - RE: [OT] Learning CS | TO - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Good point. | | As an employer, Technion and Hebrew University are #1, with Tel-Aviv | very close. Bar-Ilan and Ben-Gurion are #2, with the Open University | close behind. Haifa comes in last. | | There are a couple of colleges that give occasional good candidates: | Tel-Aviv, Holon and the Interdisciplinary center in Hertzeliya, but the | level of the college graduate varies much more that university | graduates. | | Of course, keep in mind that this is an average impression. I've | interviewed Technion graduates who couldn't code their way out of a | paper bag, and one of my best engineers graduated from the Tel-Aviv | college. For sorting CVs for an entry level position, the university is | a good first approximation. The more experience a candidate has, the | less relevant the university becomes. | | Good luck! | | Rony | | p.s. - Fair disclosure: My BSc. is from the Technion, and my MSc. from | Tel-Aviv U. | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hyams Iftach | Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:20 | Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: RE: [OT] Learning CS | | There was this student that shifted from the Technion the BGU | is the third semester. The average level in both universities raised. | It is a good idea to see the markets (=employers) point of view. It | is more marketing issue then technical but there is an hierarchy. | It might be prejudice on their behalf but it will affect you. | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew in Linux Console
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 12:24:15PM -0400, William Sherwin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually my letter concerns another of your questions : about the function of alt-D etc in the xterm, but I cannot find your initial letter. I had this problem some time ago, and as X is built of so many layers and I did not know where to look for the culprit, I resorted to comparing all the configuration files between the new distribution (in which I met the problem) and the old one. To my surprize the relevant difference was in the line: Option XKbModel in the XF86Config file. This was pc101 in the old file and pc104 in the new one. Changing pc104 to pc101 solved the problem. Actually, I have no problems with CTRL-D (exit/logout); I have needed to use CTRL-H instead of backspace in vim (but not in the command-line itself), both running it in xterm and in the tty. The keyboard section of my XF86Config file looks like this: I don't think this is relevnt to the Backspace Delete issue. See also http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BackspaceDelete/ Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbModel acpi Option XkbLayout en_US,il_si1452 Option XkbOptions grp:switch,grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll EndSection What is the layout il_si1452 ? Did you write that file yourself? I believe you should use: Option XkbLayout en_US,il Option XkbVariant ,si1452 Two other questions: does anyone know how to use the il_si1452 keyboard layout in xterm/tty, and; what about the missing kuf from the xterm/tty Hebrew font package? I've seen people ask about this one before: instead of a kuf, I see a blank space. Any ideas? See above. You also need to use some mapping for third shift level, as the Nikud is in the third shift level for that layout. Anyway, this affects X but *not* the linux console. Plus, if someone knows why running the lines setfont -m none -u none iso08.16 loadunimap /usr/share/kbd/unimaps/8859-8.a0-ff.uni seems to disable the pasting ability of gpm, I'd really appreciate it... Thanks, William = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Capturing screen into video?
There is a bug in AbiWord handling of mixed Hebrew+English text. To demonstrate it, I need to capture the behavior of a window for a time interval. Standard methods of screen capture - capture only a single frame. Is there any tool or script or tip for performing video capture? --- Omer My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Learning CS
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 09:44:34PM +0300, Lior Kaplan wrote: Hi List, I'm trying to decide where would I learn CS next year (=the one which stats at October). I'm sure some of you are during their CS studies or finished them recently. I'd like to hear what do you think about 3 places: 1. Tel Aviv 2. Bar Ilan 3. Hebrew University. I'm talk about comparing the stuff, place, students, the material they teach and so on. I finished in Tel Aviv CS+math so I am probably biased but from what I know, Hebrew university is very good but tends to be more theoretical Technion are also good but more practical Tel Aviv is a bit under them in quality, tends to the theoretical, although there enough technical courses to get a good programing background (if you are aiming at an M.A+ you should probably go more in the theoretical direction though). I don't know how the others are. I think haifa is the worst, BGU weren't considered very good when I started, but I heard they got better. don't know about the rest. As for personal impressions from Tel-Aviv (don't take it as a comparison as I don't know how the others are in this respect) Tel-Aviv university doesn't tend to treat the students very well (a general feeling a lot of students and staff get). I've heard good reports from people from Jerusalem and quite a few mixed ones from the Technion (some really like them, some can't stand them). The rest is Tel Aviv specific: They used to work mostly in Unix and later linux when I started several years ago, looking in the labs now it seems like its shifting more towards windows (as M.A I don't spend time there now but the general impression). All computers support dual boot with linux though. Actaully all lab computers reboot into linux automatically after some time of non-usage (30 min. day, 15 night according to system) and are used for distributed parallel computing. I am not sure what are the project requirements now, that would depend on the lecturer but I think you can get away for most stuff with only linux (Computer graphics may require windows, again depends). I don't think you can get away without knowing at least a little *nix programing and a little basic shell when finishing your degree (knowing how to turn on a computer is not a requirement though ;-) Its probably harder then in colleges, but with a right choice of courses and project partners you can get away with knowing almost no programing if that is what you want ;-) I have to admit that when I worked as a programmer I felt that a good college oriented at programing will make you a much better programmer then a university, but a lot of job places today seem to look at the degree as a filtering criterion, at least for entry level jobs (I guess experience will be more dominant once you get enough of it). The program with colleges is that the overall level seems to have a lot mote variation then universities. Avoid software engineering btw if your grades allow, at least in Tel Aviv the level is much lower then CS. I'll be glade to hear you private experience. I'd also like to hear about the infrastructure of each university from the system guys (didi, eli...) and from the students. Also about the usage of Linux - if you can (well, now it's not off topic (-: ) Thanks. p.s. Please don't respond with 'why not the Technion/BGU...'. -- Regards, Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Guides.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
aRTs stopped working after upgrading to KDE3.2.3
Hi, I have a machine installed with SuSE 9.0. KDE 3.1.4 and everything was fine. After upgrading to KDE 3.2.3 using the binary package for SuSE 9.0, I now get an error message every time I login, or try to use an application that uses aRTs for sound (most KDE apps). Applications that uses sound directly, works fine (for example xmms using the ALSA plugin for output). The error message is: Sound server fatal error: AudioSubSystem::handleIO: write failed len = -1, can_write = 4096, errno = 4 (Interrupted system call) This might be a sound hardware/driver specific problem (see aRts FAQ) I've tried to build the source RPM from SuSE's site, but I can't get it to compile. Any idea? Thanks, Ilan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Capturing screen into video?
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 01:26:26PM +0300, Omer Zak wrote: There is a bug in AbiWord handling of mixed Hebrew+English text. To demonstrate it, I need to capture the behavior of a window for a time interval. Standard methods of screen capture - capture only a single frame. Is there any tool or script or tip for performing video capture? import, xwd, gimp , gnome-panel-screenshot , KDE's (I forgot the name). Take your pick. They normally allow you to either select a single window or the whole screen. Some have an option to use only the application's window without the window manager's decorations. -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Capturing screen into video?
* Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040623 13:43]: There is a bug in AbiWord handling of mixed Hebrew+English text. To demonstrate it, I need to capture the behavior of a window for a time interval. Standard methods of screen capture - capture only a single frame. Is there any tool or script or tip for performing video capture? Never used them myself, found on freshmeat: xvidcap - http://freshmeat.net/projects/xvidcap/ xscript - http://freshmeat.net/projects/xscript/ Baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: filesystem with recovery data
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 09:01:05AM +0300, Kfir Lavi wrote: Hi, i'm on the market for a filesystem that can recover my data. I'm building hard drive with big iso files, and i want, no matter what happen, that the integrity of the files will be kept above all. A bonus will be to decide the size of the added parity. Is there a file system like that? Or a plugin to a known filesystems? If the data does not change much, simple mirroring will do: back up everything to a disk on a different machine. rsync could be useful for such large files. BTW: is there a way to hint rasync not to recalculate the md5sums on each invocation but to cache them permanently? A manual cache in an external file would do -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Capturing screen into video?
Hi, Another option would be just to photograph the screen with a digital camera. This has the advantage of being completely platform independant. Of course, you need a digital camera, but these are increasingly common. (Hm, I wonder if the cameras that are being embedded in cellphones have enough resolution/sensitivity to do the trick. Somehow, I doubt it.) In general, using a digital camera for sysadmin-related work, such as documenting how to replace a hard disk, is a pretty cool idea. Rony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omer Zak Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 12:26 To: Linux-IL mailing list Subject: Capturing screen into video? There is a bug in AbiWord handling of mixed Hebrew+English text. To demonstrate it, I need to capture the behavior of a window for a time interval. Standard methods of screen capture - capture only a single frame. Is there any tool or script or tip for performing video capture? --- Omer My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Software] Skype for Linux !
Hello, fellow Penguins, It seems there's a Skype Beta for Linux. I used the RPM version, and it is my understanding the source isn't included. Would you think it is safe to use? Thanks, Reff: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,2935424,00.html http://www.skype.com/download_linux.html ::. Amichai Rotman The Jerusalem Linux Club - Founder. UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 --- PLEASE READ: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html --- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Capturing screen into video?
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-promom=104430062329339w=2 see this demo: http://fedoranews.org/mweber/multimedia/k3b/K3B.swf Wednesday 23 June 2004 11:06,Baruch Even: * Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] [040623 13:43]: There is a bug in AbiWord handling of mixed Hebrew+English text. To demonstrate it, I need to capture the behavior of a window for a time interval. Standard methods of screen capture - capture only a single frame. Is there any tool or script or tip for performing video capture? Never used them myself, found on freshmeat: xvidcap - http://freshmeat.net/projects/xvidcap/ xscript - http://freshmeat.net/projects/xscript/ Baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- diego, kde-il translation team Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Free MS-Office replacement for most platforms http://www.openoffice.org/ To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Software] Skype for Linux !
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 02:10:32PM +0300, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hello, fellow Penguins, It seems there's a Skype Beta for Linux. I used the RPM version, and it is my understanding the source isn't included. Would you think it is safe to use? Thanks, It would probably be as safe as the windows versions. There is supposedly no spyware in there but there is no way tell (actually you could try listening in but I doubt you would recognize bad traffic from good one). I guess the bottom answer is on how you feel about closed source software, its probably the same as any other. Reff: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/1,7340,2935424,00.html http://www.skype.com/download_linux.html ::. Amichai Rotman The Jerusalem Linux Club - Founder. UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 --- PLEASE READ: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html --- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] +++ This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv University CC. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrade tool
I have a RedHat 9 system. It came with mysql 3.23.54 without InnoDB table support. I would like to upgrade to 4.0.20 (to match a production environment). I downloaded the 4.0.20 rpms but I bumped into a whole bunch of dependency issues. Unfortunately, the depency errors only tell me which packages conflict and not what version of the packages I need to install. I have apt-get installed but the respository only has 3.23.54. Are there any other tools out there that I can just say upgrade mysql to 4.0.20 and it will figure out the rest for me? This is getting to be very frustrating. Thanks, David Suna David's Consultants R.G.A Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] 972-2-993-8613 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Software] Skype for Linux !
On Wednesday 23 June 2004 16:17, Micha Feigin wrote: [skipped] MF It would probably be as safe as the windows versions. There is MF supposedly no spyware in there but there is no way tell (actually you MF could try listening in but I doubt you would recognize bad traffic from MF good one). One thing for sure, it reads your Mozilla/Netscape/Opera settings to try and determine the proxy server address (this is being presented as a silent service to the user). Who knows what else do they read ans analyze? If it would be up to me to write a cheeky piece of code lurking in the shadows, I would definitely use something like this as a host. Something that runs constantly in the background, knows everything it wants about user activity, plus the legal ability to generate a humongous amount of traffic using a proprietary protocol? Yum-mm... -- Sincerely Yours, Vasiliev Michael = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade tool
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 08:52:43PM +0200, David Suna wrote: I have a RedHat 9 system. It came with mysql 3.23.54 without InnoDB table support. I would like to upgrade to 4.0.20 (to match a production environment). I downloaded the 4.0.20 rpms but I bumped into a whole bunch of dependency issues. Unfortunately, the depency errors only tell me which packages conflict and not what version of the packages I need to install. I have apt-get installed but the respository only has 3.23.54. Are there any other tools out there that I can just say upgrade mysql to 4.0.20 and it will figure out the rest for me? This is getting to be very frustrating. I think the easiest would be to download their binary tar.gz (what they call 'Linux downloads', the first option in their download page). I know our DBA installed it more-or-less smoothly on RH73. Not always RPMs are less work. Unless it's a trivial package, I tend to install RPMs only from the distributor. Packages that have such binary, location independent tar.gz's (such as tomcat, java, mozilla, etc.) are very often easier to install than RPMs. If the problems are real, e.g. if their binary tar.gz does need a shared lib you don't have (or a newer one), you _will_ get into trouble, though. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Capturing screen into video?
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 02:03:57PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 01:26:26PM +0300, Omer Zak wrote: There is a bug in AbiWord handling of mixed Hebrew+English text. To demonstrate it, I need to capture the behavior of a window for a time interval. Standard methods of screen capture - capture only a single frame. Is there any tool or script or tip for performing video capture? import, xwd, gimp , gnome-panel-screenshot , KDE's (I forgot the name). Take your pick. They normally allow you to either select a single window or the whole screen. Some have an option to use only the application's window without the window manager's decorations. These are all 'single frame capture' tools, AFAIK. I never used such a tool myself, but in addition to others mentioned in this thread, you can try vnc2swf (with Xvnc) and xnee. Search freshmeat for things like 'video', 'record' etc. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Software] Skype for Linux !
Vasiliev Michael wrote: On Wednesday 23 June 2004 16:17, Micha Feigin wrote: [skipped] MF It would probably be as safe as the windows versions. There is MF supposedly no spyware in there but there is no way tell (actually you MF could try listening in but I doubt you would recognize bad traffic from MF good one). One thing for sure, it reads your Mozilla/Netscape/Opera settings to try and determine the proxy server address (this is being presented as a silent service to the user). Who knows what else do they read ans analyze? If it would be up to me to write a cheeky piece of code lurking in the shadows, I would definitely use something like this as a host. Something that runs constantly in the background, knows everything it wants about user activity, plus the legal ability to generate a humongous amount of traffic using a proprietary protocol? Yum-mm... Why not just run it through strace and find out? Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. http://www.lingnu.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrade tool
On Wed, Jun 23, 2004 at 10:04:41PM +0300, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: I think the easiest would be to download their binary tar.gz (what they call 'Linux downloads', the first option in their download page). I know our DBA installed it more-or-less smoothly on RH73. Not always RPMs are less work. Unless it's a trivial package, I tend to install RPMs only from the distributor. Packages that have such binary, location independent tar.gz's (such as tomcat, java, mozilla, etc.) are very often easier to install than RPMs. If the problems are real, e.g. if their binary tar.gz does need a shared lib you don't have (or a newer one), you _will_ get into trouble, though. You may also get into troubles if the package provides a library you need to link against. -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Software] Skype for Linux !
On Wednesday 23 June 2004 22:51, Shachar Shemesh wrote: [skipped] SS Why not just run it through strace and find out? Sure, it is in my to-do list, only as soon as it won't crash in my hands right away, and will run for at least through configuring stage. So far, I am lucky enough to hit the most popular segfault. Anyway, looks like I (and all pessimists out there) will need to strace every version of Skype to come out, to find if the developers changed their mind. :) -- Sincerely Yours, Vasiliev Michael = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
