Re: I need help with my Android phone, connecting to my wireless router
On Thursday, March 15, 2012 01:17:54 Meir Michanie wrote: Hi Stan, My AEG oven clock is out of sync and connecting your HTC Aria to a wireless router request for support would be better answered at http://lmgtfy.com/ Let me google that for you I apologize if my query seems to be inappropriate for this list. There has been activity here about Android phones, and the members seem to be very knowledgeable about them. I hoped someone would spot the source of the malfunction (whether it is in the hardware, firmware, or between the keypad and the chair). Since I have followed carefully the simple directions of the User's Guide, with the result I described in my query, and I have already googled, albeit without the aid of the link you have kindly provided, it seems to me that I need to submit the problem in the manner that I did; I am not able to encapsulate it in a few keywords. Apparently this is not the place. Sorry. Because the firmware is also suspect, and because this is specific to Cellcom, the provider, and not identical with the original, It seems obvious to me that I must seek advice from Israeli users. If that is misguided, again, I apologize. And no, the technical support people at Cellcom (better described as trained seals) are of no help whatever. And please accept my regrets for the problem of your oven clock. 2012/3/14 Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com: This is my first smart phone, an HTC Aria, and I am learning it bit by bit. I am having difficulty in having it communicate with my LAN through my wireless router, specifically getting through the WPA authentication, although that would seem to be a very simple and straightforward matter. The phone does see the router's signal, remembers its SSID, and reports that it has good signal strength. The only missing step is entering the password. When I am asked to enter the password, I type it in and press Connect. The instrument then checks its authenticity, and the next thing that appears on the screen is the empty password field, so I understand that authentication failed. But the password I have entered (many times, out of disbelief and frustration) is the correct one. I know this because it is successful with my laptop. When I access the web server of the browser, I can see the password that the router knows it has, and that is what I have been feeding the phone -- all lower-case characters. I do not understand why the same string fails with the phone. For what it's worth, the phone is able to connect with another wireless net that doesn't require authentication. Here are the security details of the wireless router: Network authentication: WPA2-PSK WPA Group Rekey Interval: 0 WPA/WPA1 Encryption: AES I would be grateful for any helpful advice. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: I need help with my Android phone, connecting to my wireless router
On Thursday, March 15, 2012 05:22:00 Alexander Sukholitko wrote: Hi, I suggest you to sign in androidforum.com, choose you phone and ask you question. I think that you find there answer immediately. Good luck. Alex Many thanks to Alex and Moish for their brief and helpful replies, which involved much less effort than sarcastically blowing me off, and which didn't require self-justification. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
I need help with my Android phone, connecting to my wireless router
This is my first smart phone, an HTC Aria, and I am learning it bit by bit. I am having difficulty in having it communicate with my LAN through my wireless router, specifically getting through the WPA authentication, although that would seem to be a very simple and straightforward matter. The phone does see the router's signal, remembers its SSID, and reports that it has good signal strength. The only missing step is entering the password. When I am asked to enter the password, I type it in and press Connect. The instrument then checks its authenticity, and the next thing that appears on the screen is the empty password field, so I understand that authentication failed. But the password I have entered (many times, out of disbelief and frustration) is the correct one. I know this because it is successful with my laptop. When I access the web server of the browser, I can see the password that the router knows it has, and that is what I have been feeding the phone -- all lower-case characters. I do not understand why the same string fails with the phone. For what it's worth, the phone is able to connect with another wireless net that doesn't require authentication. Here are the security details of the wireless router: Network authentication: WPA2-PSK WPA Group Rekey Interval: 0 WPA/WPA1 Encryption:AES I would be grateful for any helpful advice. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Android cellphone for sale
I bought this HTC Aria phone NEW in November, and it remains in the same condition. I would like to sell it, with its various accessories. Make an offer. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Scheduling a Meeting in a Cafe or Restaurant
On Wednesday 02 November 2011 13:24:56 Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi all, I'd like to meet with a few people (whoever is interested) for chat Interested in what? and food in a café or restaurant somewhere in Tel Aviv. If you are interested, please contact me by mobile, IM, etc: http://www.shlomifish.org/me/contact-me/ Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: FSF Campaign against Microsoft's Plan to Enforce Secure Boot
On Tuesday 25 October 2011 10:07:30 Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:18:43PM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Oct 24, 2011, at 7:26 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: Well, from what I understood, it's just that Stallman in his visit to the Palestinian Authority, complied to the demands of his Palestinian sponsors, and wouldn't lecture at a place that didn't support the boycott of the Israeli academia. That wasn't a global position of the Free Software Foundation, who certainly isn't anti-Semitic (see http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/politics/define-zionism/ about a lot of this confusion.). You understand wrong. Since Stallman signed his messages as President of the FSF, they are legally the position of the FSF. IANAL and thus IDCALI. Stallman did this as a private person. He was in the Middle East to speak as an officer of FSF; he cancelled his talk to the Israel group at the behest of the Jordanian group, which had a political axe to grind. It doesn't matter if there were signed letters or not, and certainly not on what stationery they were written. The basic fact is that he adopted the illegitmate demand of the Jordanian group and cancelled for an abhorent excuse. That could not have been done as a private person. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Find Free Software a New Voice
On Saturday 08 October 2011 15:18:44 Tom Balazs wrote: http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2011/10/why-fsf-founder-richar d-stallm.php It's time for free software to find a new voice. Once again, Free Software Foundation founder Richard Stallman is putting his feet firmly in his mouth. This time, Stallman says that he's glad Steve Jobs is gonehttp://stallman.org/archives/2011-jul-oct.html#06_October_2011_% 28Steve_Jobs%29. It's no secret that RMS and Steve Jobs held firmly opposed views when it comes to software freedom. I didn't expect Stallman to hold a vigil at an Apple store for Jobs, or even to say much of anything at all. But his ill-considered response does nothing for the cause of free software, and actually does a lot of damage. Stallman and the Free Software Foundation, have long expressed a very public dislike for Apple and Jobs. They've conducted campaigns against the iPadhttp://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipadand Stallman has a history of speaking out about the iPhone and other closed devices. Though I've often disagreed with the tone and language of Stallman's commentary on closed devices, he makes good points about software freedom. But his latest, posthumous, attack on Jobs demonstrates that Stallman has no business being spokesperson of anything ... (follow link for the full text) http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2011/10/why-fsf-founder-richar d-stallm.php Personally, although Stallman and Jobs have made great contributions to computer art and to the culture of our time, it would be difficult to regard either of them as an arguably admirable human being. On the other hand, to claim joy that either of them is dead if the worst kind of bad taste, and places the one who said it outside the human pale. But it is no surprise that Stallman is the one who said this, based on the recent mental confursion he exhibited during his visit to the Middle East. The man needs psychiatric attention. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Find Free Software a New Voice
On Saturday 08 October 2011 20:46:04 Steve G. wrote: Maybe we should start a Facebook group to get rid of RMS, an open source Arab Spring or Social Justice movement... Unfortunately being an idiot is not against the law. 2011/10/8 Tom Balazs tom123onl...@gmail.com Nobody has ever suggested prosecuting RMS for his opinions. Just as being an idiot is legal, avoiding idiots is also a permissible activity. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
New (First!) smart phone (OT_
As per Subject, this is my first smart phone, and I am engaged in trying to discover if I myself as smart as it is; the outlook is bleak. More than it should be because the documentation seems to be written for a reader who already knows the score and needs only a bit of memory nudging to recall the drill. As OT as this is, I hope I can ask here for answers to a few questions. The instrument is HTC Aria. The two questions that are bugging me at the moment are: 1) The on-screen keyboard for writing messages defeats me, because the keys are absurdly narrow, certainly more so than my fingers, and there is absolutely no chance that I would ever be able to peck out even a short coherent message with them. This suggests that there must be a way to type with a stylus, rather then directly with fingers. I have tried to use objects made of various materials, but so far nothing works. How do people type on these things? 2) I succeeded in telphoning to a friend this evening, to his land-line phone. For a while, the sound I got was quite good and distinct, but after a bit, it began to fade in and out, so that cconversation became intermittent and impossible. There is a cell-phone tower less than a kilometer away from my home. Is this the level of service that I have to look forward too? The fading suggests that the communication may be affected by passing vehiles; is this possiblle over such a short distance? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell phones and Hebrew support
On Thursday 15 September 2011 18:22:25 you wrote: Hi Stan, First, you need to decide which OS based do you want your phone, and maybe which brand. If it's Android, then Galaxy S-2 or the old Galaxy S could fit the bill. Hebrew support can be added to them easily. You can buy from eBay, but make sure that it support the band that your cellular company supports. Good luck, Hetz I've ordered an HTC Aria, from Amazon rather than ebay, for what seems to be the low side of the going rate on both sites ($255), and device is now in the care of FedEx, en route. I had been congratulating myself for what I saw as a coup, until I had a chat today with FedEx, who informed me that taxes due on the shipment will be NIS 516.38, which is far greater than I had expected. and which pretty well wipes out any price advantage from purchase at Amazon/ebay.etc. Perhaps I have become spoiled by the low customs rates of late for computer gear. Can this sum really be right, not an error or an act of revenge by a crazed and vindictive customs agent? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Cell phones and Hebrew support
Until this day, I am apparently the only man in Israel that does not possess a cellphone. That gives me the emotional advantage of muttering under my breath at the inconsiderate users who cruise the supermarket aisles with a cart, with their minds elsewhere, conversing whlle meandering and blocking the aisles (with the cart) to everyone else. But now I need to sacrifice all that, and get a cellphone. I am looking at prices on ebay and comparing them in dismay with those in the local market. But for the matter of Hebrew support, there is no question that I would buy through ebay. What is involved in installing Hebrew support in an imported phone? Any recommendations about which phone, by the way, would also be appreciated. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cell phones and Hebrew support
On Thursday 15 September 2011 18:25:28 Antony Gelberg wrote: Hi Stan, I got Hebrew support on my Android phone (HTC Desire HD / Android 2.2) by installing the third party firmware CyanogenMod which has many other benefits over stock. However, this technically voids the warranty. When I owned Nokias in the past, I used special software to change the product code to Hebrew, and updated the firmware via Nokia PC Suite. This also necessitated a physical keyboard change that is unnecessary on phones where the keyboard is on-screen. But in this day and age I don't recommend you get a Nokia anyway. Hope that helps. Antony The variety of offerings, even within a single manufacturer., is bewildering, and it isn't always clear what one gets for higher prices (most of which are out of the range I would want to pay), or sacrifices by lower ones. HTC seems to have a more modest view of what the market will bear. I have found HTC Aria for a reasonable price. Here are the major characteristics, some of which are mysterious: Product Identifiers Brand HTC MPN NO_CARRIERCNETARIABLKATT Carrier Unlocked Model Aria Type Smartphone Key Features Capacity 512MB Color Black Network Technology GSM / WCDMA (UMTS) Band WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900 Camera 5.0 MP What is this MPN thing? I assume that Capacity means RAM; is 512MB adequate? I see that it knows how to operate as several frequencies, but I don't know what that means in terms of Israel providers. Are the network technologies the ones that I should be looking for? Are there other characteristics that should interest me? 2011/9/15 Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com: Until this day, I am apparently the only man in Israel that does not possess a cellphone. That gives me the emotional advantage of muttering under my breath at the inconsiderate users who cruise the supermarket aisles with a cart, with their minds elsewhere, conversing whlle meandering and blocking the aisles (with the cart) to everyone else. But now I need to sacrifice all that, and get a cellphone. I am looking at prices on ebay and comparing them in dismay with those in the local market. But for the matter of Hebrew support, there is no question that I would buy through ebay. What is involved in installing Hebrew support in an imported phone? Any recommendations about which phone, by the way, would also be appreciated. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: 012 phone line replacement.
On Monday 22 August 2011 13:53:16 geoffrey mendelson wrote: I was called up and offered a package from 012 to replace my phone line. Currently I have an aDSL line from BEZEQ (NGN) and a package deal from 012 where I pay them for the combination of the aDSL portion of the line and the ISP service. I have my own router because I set up my network myself and use different settings such as IP address, etc. It's also because I have a cable modem and a second internet connection. The cable modem was down once when I needed it and I got the aDSL line as a backup. The two networks are blended so that everyone exists on the same connection and I can control which device connects via which network by setting a default route in the dhcp server. The package replaced my modem with a superbox which is an aDSL modem, router, VoIP box, wifi access point and DECT phone base station. So far, so good. You can log on to the router side of the box and make all the changes I need to have it function with my network. The reason for doing it is cost. It replaces my BEZEQ land line with a VoIP line from 012 with the same number. The only change is that you always need to dial area codes. :-( The price was much cheaper. They even offered to pay my BEZEQ bill (25 NIS a month for the bare aDSL line) for 2 months, give me 30 minutes of international calls a month free for a year and so on. The problem is that they reload the settings of the superbox every 24 hours. So all the settings that I made disappear. Instead of fitting nicely in my network, it would crash it. The tech was very nice about it, and apologized for wasting my time. He told me that they do something different to accomodate people with more advanced networks, but they are always businesses, and it requires special permission, a different box, and a router. Geoff. Is tbere a checkbox somewhere in the settings of your superbox that allows you to permit or forbid provider provisioning? That exists in VoIP adaptors, and I used it the first time my VoIP provider monkeyed with my settings. If there isn't such a choice, I think you should inform them that you want the right to configure your system yourself, failing which you will terminate the connection when you can do so without penalty. My NGN router/modem that I got from Bezeq had special settings that Dlink sets only for the ones they sell to BEZEQ, that aren't comfortable with my network; I changed them, and fortunately BEZEQ doesn't care. Personally, the behavior of your new ISP would be a deal breaker for me, I don't want people I don't know screwing around with my equipment. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Thunderbird mailer
On Thursday 18 August 2011 21:06:40 Dotan Cohen wrote: [1] How to say דווקא in English? The word is obviously related to e,g, דייק, and that's the clue. How to translate it depends on the sentence, but I usually find that it fits with precisely, or specifically, or something similar. This doesn't work with a sentence like למה אתה מתנהג כל כך דווקא, only because that's folk syntax, and the meaning has drifted. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [OFFTOPIC] The word 'davka' is complicated to translate (was: Re: Thunderbird mailer)
On Thursday 18 August 2011 22:08:29 Omer Zak wrote: There is a special blog article devoted to this subject: http://elephant.org.il/translate/davka.html It's not harder to translate than any other word. It's only necessary to think what one wants to say, which not everyone does. As I said earlier, the word had become overlaid with extraneous meanings, which means only that there is an enlarged set of possible meanings for you to pick. Spite, for example, simply doesn't have any connection with the root of the word. It's an addon. Another word with a similar mystique is Nu, in Yiddish. Any number of people will tell you that it is untranslatable, although it is a simple Russian word for which one can plug in Well in English: A: Well?Nu? B: Eh, we-e-ell.Eh, nu-u-u-u. A: WELL!!! NU!!! -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Thunderbird mailer
Please forgive the top-posting. I think anything else would be cruel in
this case.
The quoted message is entirely in HTML formatting. I don't know why
anybody uses HTML in email, but it is altogether out of place in list
traffic. It is worse in this case, because the message contains no
plain-text part at all. Please write to the list in Plain Text only.
On Saturday 13 August 2011 20:42:36 Alan Yaniger wrote:
!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN
html style=direction: rtl;
head
meta content=text/html; charset=UTF-8
http-equiv=Content-Type title/title
stylebody p { margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; } /style
/head
body style=direction: ltr;
bidimailui-detected-decoding-type=UTF-8 text=#00
bgcolor=#ff
One tangential note to Dotan's article regarding inserting
non-printing characters:br
br
In OpenOffice, you can use Insert-gt;Formatting Mark, which
gives you a handy submenu of such characters. This is more
convenient than using Insert-gt;Special Character, which requires
sorting through a bunch of character subsets.br
br
Alanbr
br
On 08/13/2011 09:56 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
blockquote style=direction: ltr;
cite=mid:CAKDXFkOZgTY1aardX9=iX-HmUA5=J1jswFjh=pa8jtauae-...@mail.gm
ail.com type=cite
pre style=direction: ltr; wrap=
/pre
pre style=direction: ltr; wrap=
It's hardly little, but posted here:
a class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href=http://dotancohen.com/howto/rtl_right_to_left.html;http://dot
ancohen.com/howto/rtl_right_to_left.html/a
Stan in fact was the major contributor in making the English
readable!
/pre
/blockquote
p style=direction: ltr;br
/p
br
pre style=direction: ltr; class=moz-signature cols=72--
Alan Yaniger
Tk Open Systems
0546-841-481
/pre
/body
/html
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Re: Thunderbird mailer
On Friday 12 August 2011 18:58:40 you wrote: With all the respect to Thuderbird, I moved to Gmail and Google Apps years ago. I recommend using Gmail or Google Apps for email. Then you can use any computer to read and write mail, not just at home or your laptop. Uri Even-Chen Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: u...@speedy.net Website: http://www.speedy.net/ Thanks for your information. I already have a webmail interface to this account through my hostingb service, in addition to an alumni account through my university -- and don't use either of them. No need for Google. I tried Thunderbird for about a month and concluded that I don't like it. De gustibus non est disputandum. I'm back to Kmail now, with enhanced respect for it. As for problems of text orientation, including which side Hebrew text starts on in TB, how to coax an editor to allow a punctuation mark at the end of a paragraph withoug screwing up the last line, etc., I recommend Dotan's little article on the subject. Sorry, I don't know where he posts it. Thunderbird, by the way, requires an addon in order to handle RTL properly. On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 15:17, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.comwrote: So far, I have not found a way to write a Hebrew message with lines beginning at the right side of the window. With Kmail it was obvious --- there were buttons for right, left, and center positioning. Where is something equivalent in Thunderbird? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel __**_ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/**mailman/listinfo/linux-ilhttp://mai lman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Thunderbird mailer
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Re: Thunderbird mailer
On 08/04/2011 07:01 PM, Moish wrote:
Open the xpi file and change the max version in the rdf file.
I've opened the xpi and rdf files. The relevant part of the latter is:
*
em:targetApplication
Description
em:id{3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}/em:id
em:minVersion2.0/em:minVersion
em:maxVersion5.*/em:maxVersion
/Description
/em:targetApplication
*
TB is v5.0. BiDi seems to allow even later releases (5.*), which should
be enough without change. But I've changed that to 5.9, and refreshed
the xpi file. I thought then to install the refurbished extension by
looking for the Install button under Tools, but it is no longer there
(because now TB knows how to install extensions from the Web, and
doesn't need it).
How can I do this?
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Re: Thunderbird mailer
On 08/04/2011 08:58 PM, Moish wrote:
On 04/08/2011 18:52, Stan Goodman wrote:
On 08/04/2011 07:01 PM, Moish wrote:
Open the xpi file and change the max version in the rdf file.
I've opened the xpi and rdf files. The relevant part of the latter is:
*
em:targetApplication
Description
em:id{3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}/em:id
em:minVersion2.0/em:minVersion
em:maxVersion5.*/em:maxVersion
/Description
/em:targetApplication
*
TB is v5.0. BiDi seems to allow even later releases (5.*), which should
be enough without change. But I've changed that to 5.9, and refreshed
the xpi file. I thought then to install the refurbished extension by
looking for the Install button under Tools, but it is no longer there
(because now TB knows how to install extensions from the Web, and
doesn't need it).
How can I do this?
TB-Tools-Addons-click the little cog wheel for Install from a file
I FOUND IT!! I FOUND IT!! Tiny, sitting all alone, inconspicuously, so
as not to attract attention, with no label, and no indication about what
kind of thing it is intended to do. The developer, indeed the whole
Thundermug team NEEDS to read a book about how to make a user interface.
Also a briefing by psychologists, to convince them that people who
didn't participate in the design of the application don't know
instinctively what they had in mind.
The result leaves a bit to be desired:
1) The promised two buttons for determining the justification direction
are nowhere to be seen (yes, I have checked that box for displaying
them). One can determine the direction only by opening the BiDi
preferences and setting the direction there. An acceptable ad hoc
workaround?
2) Not really. Setting the preferences doesn't take effect until one
closes Thundermug and reopens it. Clumsy?
Starts to make Kmail2 + Akonadi sound better.
Thanks for your assistance, Moish...
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Re: Graphics driver for i5 CPU / openSuSE v11.4
On 07/20/2011 02:18 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Stan Goodmanstan.good...@hashkedim.com writes: If I omitted to specify the video driver, I have to apologize. I had spent the entire day, and part of yesterday, finding and trying to install the Sandy Bridge driver (which is not yet found in the normal YaST system). Shortly after I gave up and posted the note you read. I stumbled upon the one-click installation website, which supports the needed driver, and was able to install the thing within less than a minute. So, although I feel I wasted many hours unnecessarily, the up side is that my operating system is now usable graphically, and I can begin to grow back what remains of my hair. First, congratlations. Secondly, I am still confused and curious, if only to learn a little bit of how a not very familiar system (and a new CPU/GPU) works. What driver is it? i915? How come it is not a part of the kernel? Last night, because it was late, I failed to notice that the Subject line of your note (and my earlier one) says graphics driver. This morning, after a very good night's sleep, it jumped up and hit me in the eye. The i5/6/7 CPUs and their h3000 graphics are still pretty new; the driver I installed is on the Tumbleweed repository, a place for new things that haven't made it into the main stream. I have not yet installed the latest and greatest kernel, of which there are several varieties on Tumbleweed. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Graphics driver for i5 CPU / openSuSE v11.4
I am having difficulty in getting the needed driver, which is not yet available through the usual repositories of openSuSE. I know that there is an available driver on the Tumbleweed repositories, but I am having difficulty in interpreting some of the advice I am getting elsewhere. If there are people who have dealt with the problem here specifically with regard to openSuSE v11.4, I would like to open a thread about this here. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Graphics driver for i5 CPU / openSuSE v11.4
On 07/20/2011 01:13 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Stan Goodmanstan.good...@hashkedim.com writes: quoted text reordered to address different points in sequence - OG If there are people who have dealt with the problem here specifically with regard to openSuSE v11.4, I would like to open a thread about this here. I have not dealt with it on openSuSE since I don't use the distro, but I have an i5 box with Fedora 14 at home so I went to check... I am having difficulty in getting the needed driver, which is not yet available through the usual repositories of openSuSE. What driver do you mean? Kernel driver? What version of the kernel does openSuSE 11.4 use? The stock i915 works for me. If I omitted to specify the video driver, I have to apologize. I had spent the entire day, and part of yesterday, finding and trying to install the Sandy Bridge driver (which is not yet found in the normal YaST system). Shortly after I gave up and posted the note you read. I stumbled upon the one-click installation website, which supports the needed driver, and was able to install the thing within less than a minute. So, although I feel I wasted many hours unnecessarily, the up side is that my operating system is now usable graphically, and I can begin to grow back what remains of my hair. Thanks for wanting to help. The only thing I can think of is that you have one of the very recent i5 CPUs (from the SandyBridge family). The code of i915 refers to SandyBridge in several places, but maybe it is buggy in some SandyBridge-specific way and a fix is not available yet. This is a pure guess: my i5 is Clarkdale (the previous family), and I feel no issues. I am not a heavy grapics user on that box though. What is the issue - what doesn't work for you? You are saying you can't *get* the driver - doesn't it come with the kernel? Have you tried a vanilla kernel? Or did you mean X driver? My X.org loads intel_drv.so quite happily. I think in openSuSE the package name is xorg-x11-driver-video. I can't easily verify it myself, but a quick google showed me it was there for the most modern i5 CPUs (SandyBridge, etc.). See, e.g., the edit on top of this page: http://lslezak.blogspot.com/2011/04/installing-latest-intel-graphics-driver.html It sounds like you just need to pull the package from the updates repository. I know that there is an available driver on the Tumbleweed repositories, but I am having difficulty in interpreting some of the advice I am getting elsewhere. I am afraid that you need to be more specific if you are looking for useful information. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details
On 07/17/2011 04:35 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011, Guy Sheffer wrote about Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details: Hey all, I just spoke to the organizer, Sami Abu-Schada. Talk is in the Hebrew-Arab theater in Yafo. They sound like good folks. And they would be happy to have people come (and don't want to get in to the politics). ... PDF with the full info: http://pdfcast.org/pdf/invitation-to-a-talk-by-richard-stallman-in-tel-aviv-israel-july-22nd They sure *do* want to get into the politics :( Did you see the emphasized text in the end of that invitation? the organizers of the event would like it to be known that they are in full support of the rights of Palestenians. In particular, the organizers support the call for boycott of complicit Israeli institutions. Richard Stallman is following the boycott during this trip out of respect to the Palestinians hosts who invited him to the region Do people who don't want to get in to the politics normally include such texts on invitations to talks about software? As it stands, because this text is so boldly included in the *invitation*, it looks like just *attending* this talk means you support this statement by its hosts. And if I consider that complicit Israeli institutions include, according to their definition, almost all Israeli institutions (and not just those directly involved with the occupied territories), certainly even insitution I ever worked at or studied at, I frankly don't see how I can attend this talk. It isn't necessary to read the invitation to the end. Right at the top, you can ask yourself about the probabilities of the reasons that would bring someone named Sawyer (the submitter) to Yafo. The organization is a dry-land flotilla. It was very foolish to arrange to meet in their premises. In face, it was very foolish indeed to try to cater to Mr Stallman's prejudices. To be more general, it is unheard of for a prospective guest to set political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man is a boor, and should have been ignored. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details
On 07/17/2011 07:19 PM, Michael Shiloh wrote: On 07/17/2011 09:15 AM, Stan Goodman wrote: To be more general, it is unheard of for a prospective guest to set political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man is a boor, and should have been ignored. I'm not sure that's true. Haven't musicians and other performers used their platform as a way to express agreement or disagreement with particular political positions for ages? Michael Expressing agreement or disagreement is not what I said. I said making political conditions for deigning to accept the invitation (and, parenthetically, taking the hosts money). I did not mention e.g. Barenboim, but that is a whole nuther story. Stallman has the chutzpa to announce that he won't come unless we endorse his politics, those of a man who lives 10,000km away, and doesn't have to be frisked before he goes into a supermarket, and who would laugh at you if you suggested that he do what it takes to vote here. If the invitation has already been issued and accepted, I can only hope that nobody shows up except the committee, and that those worthies be left to explain to him why he is speaking to an empty hall. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fwd: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details
On 07/17/2011 08:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: *Mordecha Behar* mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il mailto:mordecha.be...@mail.huji.ac.il Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details To: Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il mailto:tzaf...@cohens.org.il On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il mailto:tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: Written off-list, On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 08:26:39PM +0300, Mordecha Behar wrote: 2011/7/17 Dima (Dan) Yasny dya...@gmail.com mailto:dya...@gmail.com On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Orr Dunkelman orr.dunkel...@gmail.com mailto:orr.dunkel...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com mailto:michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com To be more general, it is unheard of for a prospective guest to set political conditions for his hosts. Aside of any other aspects, the man is a boor, and should have been ignored. I'm not sure that's true. Haven't musicians and other performers used their platform as a way to express agreement or disagreement with particular political positions for ages? Michael It is very rare in computer science to mix politics and work. Actually, this is true for most exact sciences. As for RMS, who is an advocate of freedom of rights, he has just agreed to accept money (travel costs) in exchange for giving away his freedom of speech. Tz'e Wolmad... /me don't see what the argument is about. I'll simply vote against RMS's and his politically inclined friends bs with my feet by _not_ going. End of story Yes, there is that. But thanks to the law passed last week we can also take affirmative action. I don't think that suing RMS or the FSF will be a good idea, or even feasible (IANAL and I'm pretty sure that this law doesn't hold for people/groups from abroad) but we might be able to sue the group financing his trip. Again, I'm not sure that that's even a good idea. But it is possible. While I find RMS's actions silly and damaging, I will take no part in such an action. I might even consider donating that group some money to cover their expences in case you actually go through with your actions. I'm for free speach here. Now, count to 10, relax a bit, read things through, and don't follow up on a flame fest. Nobody has challenged his right to free speech. Speech is not the issue. Personally, I would not be offended if he where to visit each of the major cities and get up on a soapbox at main intersections to express his views. What he is trying to do is to inflict his opinions of a conflict of which he can't know very much, on an entire organization, and to extract the agreement of that public to the rectitude of his views -- although they may well have views that are quite different. That is what makes him a boor, ya'ani, Am haAretz, and offensive. Hey, I'm not saying we *should* sue, I'm just saying it's an option. And not a good one. We will alienate ourselves in the worldwide community of open software, and probably burn several bridges which will be very hard to rebuild. I too resent the whole idea of mixing computer science and politics. It makes the whole thing stink like unwashed feet. I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga unraveled like this. I had higher opinions of RMS before this. Oh, and: GetTheFacts: http://stallmanfacts.com/ . Cheers, -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org mailto:tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il mailto:tzaf...@cohens.org.il | | best tzaf...@debian.org mailto:tzaf...@debian.org| | friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details
On 07/17/2011 11:20 PM, Moish wrote: On 17/07/2011 20:39, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Jul 17, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Mordecha Behar wrote: Hey, I'm not saying we should sue, I'm just saying it's an option. And not a good one. We will alienate ourselves in the worldwide community of open software, and probably burn several bridges which will be very hard to rebuild. I too resent the whole idea of mixing computer science and politics. It makes the whole thing stink like unwashed feet. I'm just a little disappointed that the whole saga unraveled like this. I had higher opinions of RMS before this. This pretty much says that he is supporting a boycott and that it's fsf.org's policy. IMHO he should be sued. I'm not going to do it, but if I were presented with a poll or petition would say so. If he did not want to be offensive or politicize himself or the fsf, he could of said So I decided to not offend anyone.. but he did not he said that decided to follow ... the boycott. To toss out some ad homynms, he's a blight on free speech and free software and he and his fsf have outlived their usefulness. He has crossed the line over which he should never cross, mixing free software with support of terrorists. Geoff. Ad Hominem and Ad Rem: Have some of you gone mad ?! Gagging, prosecution, do i hear execution ? Perhaps he's an hypocrite feeble-minded-self-hating-jewish-leftists, a member of J street, or god forbidden, a liberal, SO WHAT? BLOCKING free speech! How DARE you! Have you lost your mind !? Arguably, he alone (in concert with his Palestinian hosts), is the one limiting free speech. Nobody here has intimated that he can't voice his views, whatever they are, although there was some talk about expressing them in the name of FSF. The discussion has nothing whatever to dowith free speech. The fact is, by the way, that the right of free speech has nothing to do with individuals at all, but is entirely a fence against government. The government of a free country may not forbid expression of protected speech (there are limitations to that as well). Individuals or groups are certainly not obligated to listen. You can't holler free speech if somebody insists upon telling you his views that you don't want to hear. The only free-speech issue that would arise in connection with Stallman would be if the Government should forbid or punish him for expressing them. The quotations above, beginning with Ad hominem and ending with Have you lost your mind!? were written by someone who never sat in a Civics class, and who has only the foggiest notion of what free speech actually means. Some of you really frighten me because I know that most of my opinions should have been kept to myself :) -- Moish ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [RMS11] Re: Finally - A RMS talk in Tel-Aviv. Including details
On 07/18/2011 01:03 AM, Moish wrote: So, free speech has nothing to do with individuals? well, isn't you right of free speech allows you to say that I only the foggiest notion of free speech? No, as I said, the concept of free speech has to do only with preventing governments from forbidding or punishing expressions of speech. I said nothing ad hominem, only that whoever (was that you?) wrote that paragraph never sat in a Civics class, i.e. knows nothing about the concept of free speech. You are not alone, by the way. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 at 15:56:03 (GMT+2) Ira Abramov Lists-Linux- i...@ira.abramov.org wrote: Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that the FSF is boycotting Israel. You can agree or not, it's your opinion. However US law is that once he signs his emails as an officer of the corporation, in this case president, it does. you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. before you oycot the FSF and the registration office that handled their NGO registration, and the entire govenrment of the country that enploys that registration clerk, and so on, I suggest we stop and call on the FSF spokespeople to give their opinion on the matter and maybe resolve it otherwise. I question that RMS does his lecturing as a private person, and that he is not engaged because of his connection, not to say identification, with FSF. When organizations place posters advertising his talks, surely he is billed as the head if FSF; nothing else makes sense. If that is true, then he is not speaking as a private person, and he (or his spokesman) is not speaking as a private person when giving detailed instructions about the bona fides and anti-Israel attitudes of sponsors and any organizations that might be associated with his engagement, and the kashrut of the hall itself and its owners. No, that is way beyond any fallacy of guilt by association. The fallacy is that he is a private person when he speaks publicly, and can say or do whatever he wants with no blowback on FSF. Full disclosure: I do not favor political boycotts. I also do not favor cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. And I certainly do not favor being dragged by someone else, celeprity though he may be, into a boycott or being identified with one two sideline remarks: 1. As I mentioned in my blog post, I don't see the financial boycott as a problem, and I'm even hoping it started moving something, but I have a real problem with justifying the academic BDS. however after I saw this Item, I wonder what will I do if more and more Universities ד‚?ere proven to act the same: http://www.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast/Article-230c47 f2e3f8031004.htm# -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Wednesday 15 June 2011 at 16:18:42 (GMT+2) Erez D erez0...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/15 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org Quoting geoffrey mendelson, from the post of Sun, 12 Jun: On Jun 12, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Uri Even-Chen wrote: I don't agree with you, Geoff. What Richard Stallman does as a private person does not mean the FSF in involved. As a private person Richard Stallman has the right to boycott Israeli institutions and universities. It does not mean that the FSF is boycotting Israel. You can agree or not, it's your opinion. However US law is that once he signs his emails as an officer of the corporation, in this case president, it does. you know, there IS a logical falacy of guilt by association. before you oycot the FSF and the registration office that handled their NGO registration, and the entire govenrment of the country that enploys that registration clerk, and so on, I suggest we stop and call on the FSF spokespeople to give their opinion on the matter and maybe resolve it otherwise. two sideline remarks: 1. As I mentioned in my blog post, I don't see the financial boycott as a problem, and I'm even hoping it started moving something, but I have a real problem with justifying the academic BDS. however after I saw this Item, I wonder what will I do if more and more Universities ד‚?ere proven to act the same: http://www.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast/Article-230c 47f2e3f8031004.htm# 2. As usuall, I am suprised how appropriate my random signature comes out :-) -- Peacemaker Ira, I do not know you, but from my experience, people that say they are 'peace makers' usually cause the opposite ... ;-) (e.g. neville chamberlain) Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ On the subject: I wouldn't boycott the FSF. I love the idea behind the FSF, even if I do not agree with everything RMS belives in. I may act differently if the FSF boycotts israel. I will probably not go to any of RMS lectures. I do not think he is anti-Semitic, but he have been at least insensitive. I also believe that leaving the issue in low profile would be best. you may agree or not. this is my opinions. Of course he is an anti-Semite. Israel bashing is the modern phase of anti-Semitism. So is Noam Chomsky, for the same reason. cheers, erez, ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Monday 13 June 2011 at 15:53:39 (GMT+2) Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com wrote: Enough already. The RMS thread-craze is *clearly* against the rules and guide-lines of Linux-IL mailing list, as it has little to do (if any) with, and I quote Linux related *questions* and *discussions* (emphasis mine). It does seem that the discussion has come to a well-deserved end. But I do not think it was off topic. What to do about the conditions that a proposed speaker places on his agreement to speak can't possibly be irrelevant to the rules of the principal communication tool of the organization. The mere fact that the topic has exercised people means it was important and relevant. It lasted so long only because the smug arrogance of the speaker and his spokesman were not fully revealed until very recently. ML owner: Time to intervene? - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Sunday 12 June 2011 at 22:24:54 (GMT+2) Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote: f FSF falls under the anti-boycott law (and I don't know that) then not only must RMS refuse to visit the PA, he (i.e., FSF) must report the request (this is the legal term in the context) to the US authorities. An important point is that one does not need to support the boycott as a matter of policy to break the law, it is enough to co-operate in an individual instance (including by inaction). I too am no lawyer. My guess is that the anti-boycott law has nothing to do with FSF or any other voluntary organization (like what is called amutah in Hebrew), which is what I understand FSF to be. That RMS might be acting illegally in his adherence to a boycott never occured to me, and I don't think he did. Legal prohibitions quite aside, his position was one that should not have been accepted by an organization of Israelis, and indeed it was not. People gullible enough to regard Israel as a criminal state surely have a different take. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RMS, Hosts Must Support Boycott?
On Friday 10 June 2011 at 16:35:43 (GMT+2) Tom Balazs tom123onl...@gmail.com wrote: After Dr. Richard M. Stallman (RMS) cancelled his lecture at the University of Haifa I tried to arrange an alternative meeting hall for him. Like some other people I thought that all that was required was not an Israeli university or perhaps not a prominent symbol of the state. Yesterday (9-Jun-11) RMS sent me a response which indicates that there is an even bigger problem. According to him, the Palestinians' boycott is so strict that they object to [him giving lectures hosted by] all organizations except those that support the boycott. My opinion is that under such circumstances RMS should refuse to speak, or at least have a sudden and unavoidable scheduling conflict which necessitates cancelling his visit. If this really is the situation then I will not be searching for lecture halls for him and will not be attending his lectures either. Tom Since Mr Stallman had so little sense as to assent to inflicting even the earlier (milder) boycott rules on talks in Israel, it was scandalous for the local organizatiton to even consider seeking kosher venues for him. It's unfortunate that it took the revelation of the REAL rules to cause Israelis to realize what was being done to them. The mind boggles at the notion that hostile organizations might be able to induce an Israeli organization to accept any kind of boycott of Israel, and thereby to seem to justify it. Aside from which Mr Stallman's adventure into politics do him no credit. |--| | |Tom Balazs |Haifa |tom123onl...@gmail.com | |--| From: Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org Date: Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 17:58 Subject: Re: Fwd: A Lecture Hall for a Talk by Dr. Richard Stallman, President of the Free Software Foundation To: Tom Balazs tom123onl...@gmail.com Cc: rms-ass...@gnu.org Our theater is very busy during the month of June, and the date you had mentioned wouldwnt work. My visit is in July, not June. Maybe that was misunderstanding. However, it seems that the Palestinians' boycott is so strict that they object to all organizations except those that support the boycott. I don't know whether they object if such an organization rents a hall. So I must charge the minimum cost of 750 N.I.S in order to be able to operate the Theater. How many dollars is that? I have no idea whether I have this much in my pocket. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: Richard Stallman answer to me
On Tuesday 07 June 2011 at 12:23:27 (GMT+2) Uri Even-Chen u...@speedy.net wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 08:13, Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il wrote: The issue here is not opposing the Israeli occupation but about the academic boycott. Would you find it to be acceptable for the Palestinians to use ABC (atomic/biological/chemical) weapons to fight the Israeli occupation because they are too weak to fight using conventional means? Academic boycott is as illegitimate (even if it does not immediately cause people to die). I can understand why people boycott Israeli universities. The Israeli universities are strongly related to the Israeli government and are funded by the Israeli government. They are also related to the Israeli military. When people want to express their opinions against the Israeli occupation, one of the ways to do it is boycott Israeli universities. But I understand that Richard Stallman is not completely boycotting Israel, only universities. Therefore his views are not extreme against Israel but only against Israeli occupation. By boycotting the Israeli universities he expresses his views against the Israeli occupation. Uri Even-Chen Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: u...@speedy.net Website: http://www.speedy.net/ I can only wonder why Mr Stallman seems unconcerned with such details as bombarding civilians with thousands of rockets and mortar bombs for years on end, after ending a de facto cease fire for no defined reason; for encouraging children to become martyrs to murder Jews for the sake of God; for encouraging suicide bombing of schoolbusses (and recently killing a kid by targetting a schoolbus with an anti-tank shell); for encouraging such incidents as the recent murder of the Fogel family (which is not the first case); for talking Peace in English to naive journalists, while reminding their own people in Arabic that they will destroy Israel, given enough time; for never to negotiate in good faith (demanding concessions while never once compromising); for refusing to negotiate at all, but whinng that Israel won't consent to total surrender without condeding the end of the conflict, and for violating all the laws of war by fighting from behind women and children (which is a war crime in International Law, and then crying that Israel murdered babies when it conducts a legal defense. That is a very brief list of some of the things that go over Mr Stallman's head. I think they amount to gross hypocrisy. Giving him a pass for his hypocrisy is also hypocritical. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Richard Stallman answer to me
On Monday 06 June 2011 at 09:58:36 (GMT+2) Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: On 06/06/11 03:05, Stan Goodman wrote: Since they themselves are students or faculty in universities, it occurs to them to boycott other universities, never considering that universities are precisely where they are most likely to find their soul-mates. If, as you said, the Israeli academia were unanimously left wing, then silencing them will not significantly decrease the diversity of thought that the academia is supposed to encourage. It is precisely because Israel is a potential source for dissenting view that anyone calling for an academic boycott on Israel is undermining their own academic legitimacy. Nowhere have I said that Israeli academics are unanimously left wing. Everyone know, however, that many are, and that Ilan Pappe was not alone before he took his nonsense to the more kosher environment of the UK. Nor have I said that the phenomenon is unique to Israel -- the same thing can be observed in the US, Canada, and especially almost anyplace in Europe. I have CERTAINLY not intimated that I wish to stifle dissent or silence leftists from expressing their ideas, foolish though they may be. I have not understood, on the other hand, why so many evidently intelligent people fall for a destructive philosophy. That is a relatively new phenomenon; I do not remember it from the time when I was at university. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Richard Stallman answer to me
On Monday 06 June 2011 at 10:16:43 (GMT+2) geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 6, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: RMS has bought on, and is spreading, anti-Israeli propaganda. RMS is also the head of the FSF. Aside from these two, in themselves unrelated, facts what makes you say that the FSF itself should be boycotted? I disagree. RMS has opinions that some of us (me) see as anti-Israel. That's IMHO fine. He can have anti-Israel opinions, and as RMS post, discuss, write op-eds, etc. It's his right. However, he has crossed a line, RMS as head of the FSF has stated those opinions. Therefore they are now part of the FSF message. He did it, not me, and keeping my head in the sand as it were, won't undo what he has done, unsay what he has said, or change the position of the FSF. BTW, I did not say the FSF should be boycotted. In fact, I purposely said nothing about what people should or should not do to, with, or for the FSF. You made up the boycott part on your own. Has the FSF advanced anti-Israeli policy? Did RMS in FSF sponsored events (which is different than media interviews and such)? If not, I suggest we leave this out of the discussion. Yes, he has. He said so in email related to an FSF appearance signed as the FSF. (recently quoted) Signed: -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA From the email address: r...@gnu.org That makes it FSF not RMS personal. He has also decided to adjust his FSF schedule based upon his anti- Israel bias. Thus, I decided to follow their [Palestinian] policies in the trip they organized. Geoff. I am pretty much an outsider in this discussion, so I should apologize for injecting my views. But my sense is that it would be very wise to avoid any hint of boycotting either FSF or RMS personally for any reason. What I think should be done is simply to decline to accept the boycott imposed by the Palestinians (to which he has acquiesced), and to require him to make up his mind if Israeli universities are or are not suitable venues for his talk, and to state that the Israel group feels that, in Israel, universities are the appropriate places for his talks. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Richard Stallman answer to me
On Monday 06 June 2011 at 18:44:06 (GMT+2) mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: Quoting Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com: On Monday 06 June 2011 at 09:58:36 (GMT+2) Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: On 06/06/11 03:05, Stan Goodman wrote: Since they themselves are students or faculty in universities, it occurs to them to boycott other universities, never considering that universities are precisely where they are most likely to find their soul-mates. If, as you said, the Israeli academia were unanimously left wing, then silencing them will not significantly decrease the diversity of thought that the academia is supposed to encourage. It is precisely because Israel is a potential source for dissenting view that anyone calling for an academic boycott on Israel is undermining their own academic legitimacy. Nowhere have I said that Israeli academics are unanimously left wing. Everyone know, however, that many are, and that Ilan Pappe was not alone before he took his nonsense to the more kosher environment of the UK. Nor have I said that the phenomenon is unique to Israel -- the same thing can be observed in the US, Canada, and especially almost anyplace in Europe. I have CERTAINLY not intimated that I wish to stifle dissent or silence leftists from expressing their ideas, foolish though they may be. I have not understood, on the other hand, why so many evidently intelligent people fall for a destructive philosophy. That is a relatively new phenomenon; I do not remember it from the time when I was at university. There is one big fault in your argument is that you are pushing opinions as facts. Opinions are the only way that any mortal can express himself. I have never until now heard anyone claiming that the expression of opinions is a defect. Right wing people claim that left wing ideas are foolish and destructive and left wing people claim that right wing ideas are foolish and destructive. You can't use one or the other to claim that the other side is foolish. That's a perfect way to end any argument. Do you see that? For the record, I have never seen myself as a right winger, nor have others seen me as such. I was a registered Democrat in the US, never a Republican, and voted for whichever party I thought best. That is still the case, as I am a dual citizen. In Israel, I never considered voting for e.g. Meretz or Mapam, but I cannot be characterized as a right winger here either. The only way to actually know who is right is to run with one opinion or the other and see if we are still here to see the results. Unfortunately, there is no way to know if the other course of action wouldn't have yielded a better result. Yes, the only way to settle it is to wait for the outcome in the long term. Unhappily, in the long term we are all dead. So we form conclusions based on what facts we perceive. That is what discussion is all about. And it is not clear what is the relatively new phenomenon, left wing ideas or universities (both of which by the way existed in mid-evil England, where the king kept them far enough not to cause trouble and close enough to keep an eye on. By the way, college heads at the time head the right to execute students). Bearing in mind the way you think Medieval is spelled (and apparently what it must mean), I am content with withdrawing from the discussion. But, to sum up my position, I have advocated declining to permit the Palestinians to dictate that the proposed talks must not be presented on the premises of an Israeli university. In other words, to sign off on a boycott of Israeli uiversities. In my mind, what I have advocated is a dignified response as Israelis, and is an eminently defensible position. That is indeed my opinion, and is not a fact (how could it be?). Nothing prevents you from acceding to the Palestinian diktat, and indeed accepting all the positions of the Palestinian Authority and of Hamas if you like. Perhaps others will agree with your stance. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Richard Stallman answer to me
On Monday 06 June 2011 at 02:54:12 (GMT+2) Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Hi People, I just got this answer from Richard Stallman. Apparently, he *does* plan to give a talk in Israel, but not in any Israeli university. I actually find this pretty weird, considering that most of the universities in Israel are full of staff from the left-side of the political map (TAU for exmaple?) It's not weird at all. The screwballs who participate in boycotts are not at all interested in details, but are grabbed by buzzwords, e.g. Israel. Since they themselves are students or faculty in universities, it occurs to them to boycott other universities, never considering that universities are precisely where they are most likely to find their soul-mates. It's all completely logical. Compare, for example with the British situaation, where calls for boycott originate almost exclusively in the universities and labor unions, i.e., in all the strongholds of the left. Left = Gauche in French, Sinister in Latin. There is probably a language somewhere in which Left = Stupid. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: sponsorship?
On Sunday 29 May 2011 at 18:06:14 (GMT+2) Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Demanding that he will not talk to the Palestinians? umm, with the political situation today, I hardly belive he will agree to that. I was thinking more of: If we can find a company who's willing to pay the flight tickets, hotel etc, and then let Stallman decide whether he wants to appear at the Palestinians universities or not. It's quote a shame that the Palestinians would prefer to do those tricks.. David, I read the article, and as a person who wants to hear Stallman's FSF talks (and not political talks), so I do want to believe we can find a solution for that. Hetz 2011/5/29 amichay p. k. am1chay@gmail.com Even if we don't find a company willing to finance the visit we can definitely raise funds for this purpose. By the way, if Israel would pay for the visit I demand that he will not give a talk for the Palestinians. 2011/5/29 Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com When small-mindedness becomes an Olympic sport, the Palestibians will definitely walk away with the Gold. I don't thing Israel should show itself with the same mindset. Quite apart from concern about any concern about foreign political effects were Israel to condition a visit on not speaking in RamAllah as well, I think the Israel group should make no stipulation at all, but invite the Palestinians to pitch in if they would like to make the gesture as a contribution to a peaceable atmosphere. Whether they are willing to make such a gesture is their own business. Hi, I just read this morning that Richard Stallman will not come to Israel due to pressure from the Palestinians who sponsor his visit. You can read it here: http://www.calcalist.co.il/internet/articles/0,7340,L-3519167,00.h tml?dcRef=ynet My question: I'm pretty sure that hotel + ticket is not such a huge price. Is there any company that can sponsor his visit, so we might actually see mister Stallman here after all? Thanks, Hetz ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Regards, Amichay. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Web site developer, and an independent security researcher. My Blog: http://am1chay.blogspot.com/. For permission to read, please contact me. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: sponsorship?
On Sunday 29 May 2011 at 18:22:30 (GMT+2) David Ronkin dron...@gmail.com wrote: Just googling a bit i found Stallman's pro-palestinian article: http://stallman.org/good-fences.html So his boycott's reason looks like just an excuse... What twisted reasoning! -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: sponsorship?
On Sunday 29 May 2011 at 20:44:24 (GMT+2) Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:43 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: if you go back to his writings, he's been anti-Israel and pro-Palestinain since the days of Ariel Sharon. If you google him, you find that he espouses those views even now. On the HaMakor list someone already made a similar claim. I searched and have not found anything blatantly anti-israeli. He points out various things I don't like to hear about Israel but that does not make those points incorrect. I am sure you will now reply with a lits of links to his posts, otherwise people might think you are just making empty accusations. Gabor Please enlighten me: When he says that the reason Israel doesn't fortify the border with the PA, but instead puts up a fence (the one that the PA calls 'Die WLL) specifically to separate Palestinians from their lands, that is not blatantly anti-Israel? That doesn't project the image of the diabolical Jew? In my naivete, I would have thought otherwise. Why I said it was twisted is that the fence is, of course, a fortification, and it exists for reasons not unlike those for which fences are generally erected. He must surely know about suicide bombings, thousands of mortar bombs and rockets on civilians, etc., but he can't connect them with the idea that a fortification of some sort might be in order, so the fence must be part of a nefarious plan of the kikes to steal property? Why would anybody want to listen to this man? Do you think he would stand in front of an Israeli audience and not lecture it on the criminal way Israel treats peaceful terrorists? And everybody in the audience would try to be civilized, not to argue with him, to be unpleasant, and he, I guarantee you, would have an answer to everything, precisely because he knows nothing about what he is saying. You would all go home afterward with heartburn. Where is this man from? I understand him to be a Brit, is that right? So he reads UK periodicals, listens to BBC, is therefore inebriated with UK anti-Semitism, and isn't bright enough (sic) to connect the anti- Semitism that has always been endemic in the UK with what he reads about the conflict It's more than simply that he says things that you or I don't like. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Tax authorities in Israel
On Friday 27 May 2011 at 09:27:10 (GMT+2) Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote: Unfortunately, only written communication has a chance for a reaction. And even then, as far as I understand, making an existing government site work with various browsers is only recommended and not mandatory if it requires too much work. The phrase work with various browsers is a copout, because it makes it sound as though every browser needs special attention. If the phrase were substituted by work with any browser that adheres to industry standards, there would be a different face on it. As it stands, it is scandalous: the guidelines for government standards say merely that you can adhere to standards if you like, but don't take that too seriously. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Tax authorities in Israel
On Thursday 26 May 2011 at 19:01:40 (GMT+2) Uri Even-Chen u...@speedy.net wrote: Hi people, I recently had to pay taxes to the tax authorities in Israel (income tax). I think it's amazing that the tax authorities website supports only MSIE. I called their support and asked, they said they don't support Google Chrome or Firefox - only MSIE. I'm using Google Chrome and Firefox with all other websites, including my bank, but only with the tax authorities website I have to use MSIE. I have a bug/virus in MSIE and it took me more than an hour and I tried at least 6 times with 2 computers and 3 people on their support until I could pay my taxes. Shame on them! Maybe the Israeli Internet association should do something about it (revoke their .gov domain!)... Why amazing? Israel is probably the most MS addicted country on the planet. Nowhere else do people look at you as at a lunatic when they learn that you are using something exotic (OS/2 or Linux). Once, years ago, I was told in a Bezeq business office that I was speaking out of ignorance, because _every_ computer has Windows. In contrast, last month in Kiev, the driver who brought me into town from the airport glanced at the screen of my laptop (which does not say Linux), and said to me, Oh, you're using Linux. There has already been a lot of talk here about efforts to get governmental agencies and quasi-governmental ones to loosen up and stop acting as though they are a subsideary of Microsoft. I've said before that the right address for improving this state of afairs is the State Comptroller. That is still true. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Tax authorities in Israel
On Friday 27 May 2011 at 00:11:26 (GMT+2) Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/26 Uri Even-Chen u...@speedy.net: Hi people, I recently had to pay taxes to the tax authorities in Israel (income tax). I think it's amazing that the tax authorities website supports only MSIE. I called their support and asked, they said they don't support Google Chrome or Firefox - only MSIE. I'm using Google Chrome and Firefox with all other websites, including my bank, but only with the tax authorities website I have to use MSIE. I have a bug/virus in MSIE and it took me more than an hour and I tried at least 6 times with 2 computers and 3 people on their support until I could pay my taxes. Shame on them! Maybe the Israeli Internet association should do something about it (revoke their .gov domain!)... I encourage you to write to them and ask. If the site requires any particular proprietary software to work then it certainly is not a website. Simply tranfering information via tcp/ip on port 80 does not make the communication a website. My point, perhaps not very clearly made, was that the tax authorites are almost surely unaware that they are discriminating against all who happen to use a specific (non-standard) browser (although users of Firefox, and even Opera, are required to pay tax). More accurately, they have employed a web designer who learned to code for the web from a Microsoft-sponsored course designed specifically to force that discrimination. The people in the tax authority do not have the time or interest to redo their site, and the web designer has been indoctrinated by MS and will only laugh. That is why the Comptroller is the ONLY one who can do anything about this kind of thing, and in fact, that is in his job description; that's what he is there for, because what the tax authority is doing is illegal, plain and simple, besides being gauche. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
VoIP adaptor
Does anyone know where in Israel I can purchase a Linksys (ie Cisco) PAPt2 VoIP adaptor? I have two defective ones, because they don't last forever, and now need to buy a replacement. A web search has turned up only one source in this country, Techdata (a susidiary of Racal), which didn't know what I was talking about until I explained what a VoIP adaptor is (although the PAPt2 is prominently exhibited on their website). During the weeks that have passed since, the salesman with whom I have been talking about it has disappeared twice, most recently with the plea (after I sent an email to nudge him) that he has guests from abroad. My current hypothesis is that the company is a front for a drug operation. Does someone know of a company that is interested in actually selling this item? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: VoIP adaptor
On Wednesday 25 May 2011 at 14:36:17 (GMT+2) shimi linux...@shimi.net wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.comwrote: Does anyone know where in Israel I can purchase a Linksys (ie Cisco) PAPt2 VoIP adaptor? I have two defective ones, because they don't last forever, and now need to buy a replacement. A web search has turned up only one source in this country, Techdata (a susidiary of Racal), which didn't know what I was talking about until I explained what a VoIP adaptor is (although the PAPt2 is prominently exhibited on their website). During the weeks that have passed since, the salesman with whom I have been talking about it has disappeared twice, most recently with the plea (after I sent an email to nudge him) that he has guests from abroad. My current hypothesis is that the company is a front for a drug operation. Does someone know of a company that is interested in actually selling this item? Seen it here: http://www.plonter.co.il/detail.tmpl?sku=PAP2 What they are selling is a refurbished item that has been unlocked from its previous condition. I'm uncomfortable with the idea, would prefer a new one, and fear that the name of the company may be predictive. If they're interested or not in selling it... I wouldn't know... usually when someone advertises a product for sale, they do want to sell it... Based on my experience with Racal/Techdata, that isn't always the case. HTH, Thanks... -- Shimi -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: translate a pdf file from german to english
On Saturday 21 May 2011 at 18:26:30 (GMT+2) Gadi Cohen dra...@wastelands.net wrote: On 21/05/2011 16:20, Dotan Cohen wrote: In Google Translate, below the main form, is this link: Type text or a website address or translate a document. Thanks, Gadi, I did not know about that until you mentioned it! Yeah, it was a big and helpful surprise for me too... thought I'd share the love ;) After eventually finding a manual for my dishwasher in German, I used Google Translate to do this and finally figured out what all the beeping meant :) Manufacturers of major appliances generally market their product internationally, which mostly requires user instructions in English. I have an Italian washing machine that came with the manufacturer's user guide in Italian, Hungarian, and a number of more exotic languages, plus the importer's badly written Hebrew translation -- nothing in English, because the item is not marketed outside Israel (because nowhere else is it customary for washing machines to heat their own water). I had to induce the importer to get me an English user guide for a model which is virtually identical with mine save for the water heater. I have also done similarly with a German vacuum cleaner. You could probably get the manufacturer's user manual for your dishwasher by approaching the local agent of the manufacturer. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [OT] cold fill [Was: translate a pdf file from german to english]
On Saturday 21 May 2011 at 23:06:56 (GMT+2) Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote: Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com writes: the item is not marketed outside Israel (because nowhere else is it customary for washing machines to heat their own water). Eh? You don't seriously think the world consists of US and Israel only, I hope. ;-) Not I. Eh? What I do think, and you don't, is that English is the most ubiquitous western language, spoken in what is still the most lucrative export market, several other prosperous former British dominions, and as a second language by many millions in other countries east and west. International marketting is not practical for manufacturers that ignore it. Did you know that most of the publications of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (aka Academia Sinica) have always (даже во времени Братского Китая) been published in English, for the same reason. [Warning: what follows will not give you much information that you can immediately utilize for OS development. It's very OT, in fact, but I figure the engineering genes of some of us may stir a bit, anyway.] AFAIK cold fill is the norm in most of the world except the US (well, maybe except North America). There are multiple reasons for that, including, but not limited to (a) energy-consciousness, (b) costs, (c) hot+cold fill machines suffer from problems at least in cases where the central heater is far away from the machine, so that the hot inlet gets cold water in the beginning, (d) and (e) local temperature control is gentler on fabric, and better for stain removal, (f) standards and regulations (energy ratings - mandatory in Europe - are determined on cold fill only), etc. Just about the only argument for hot+cold fill is that since water is pre-heated centrally the cycle can start a little bit faster (but see (c) above). The argument that central heating may be solar and therefore green bumps its head into (c) again and into cloudy weather (not much of a problem in Israel but a serious consideration elsewhere). This is way outside my normal field of expertise or interests, but I had to buy a new washing machine just a few months ago, and since I had both cold and hot taps available (and the ***ancient*** AEG that had died had been connected to both) I wondered about the subject. After reading up I concluded that hot+cold fill machines had disappeared the way of the dodo in most corners of the globe, and good riddance. I am sure the US will catch up eventually [cheap jibe, big smiley implied, no offence meant, etc.] and patents will be filed on cold fill with USPTO [this part is, sadly, serious]. I didn't even try to look for a hot+cold fill - I am not sure one can find such machines in Israel at all, but I saw no reason to make an effort. I agree that translations of instruction manuals are usually horrible. However, there is no reason to expect that English texts would be any better... Depends. At university in the late 1940s I had a Japanese bamboo sliderule the English user manual of which would have been understandable only with a basic knowledge of Japanese grammar, syntax, and vocabulary. But manuals translated by serious manufacterers of appliances (judging for those for my German washing machine, vacuum cleaner, and ice cream maker) are well translated, as far as I have seen. English has become even more entrenched since 1940s Japan -- Internet, don't you know. And as for Wi-Fi-enabled dishwashers and refrigerators that order milk over Internet when you run out - this is so 90ies... Am I too old? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux has won!
On Sunday, April 03, 2011 04:48:02 PM Ariel Biener Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: As a desktop platform, Linux has not won, and that was what your colleague was referring to. The fact Linux is embedded into many devices, and that some of them even present a UI to you is not irrelevant, Linux is indeed a platform that is uniquely adept for these devices (both in terms of stability, development and most probably in terms of licensing), however, he meant his desktop OS, and we're not there yet. To emphasize the above, recall that there was a time when most of the ATMs in the United States were running OS/2, and many (including myself) fell into the trap of concluding that OS/2 had a bright future for that reason, Somehow things didn't quite work out that way. Linux has made good inroads inside devices where the proverbial Jake the Plumber doesn't see it and doesn't know it is there. Windows, on the other hand is literally the only OS he has ever seen or heard of. When you are tempted to think that we are there, spare a thought for OS/2, and think again. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: flash killer extension for firefox 4
On Tuesday 29 March 2011 at 08:07:11 (GMT+2) Udi Finkelstein udi.finkelst...@gmail.com wrote: Firefox does not upgrade without your permission. That is true for add-ons. It is not true for Firefox upgrades. Check under Tools/Options/Advanced/Update, and set Ask me what I want to do instead of Automatically download and install the update. In Linux versions of Firefox, there is no Tools/Options; it is a Windows convention. The equivalent for Linux is: EditPreferencesAdvancedUpdate. What is displayed in the Update pane is: Automatically check for updates to Addons Search engines which isn't quite the same thing. There is certainly nothing about upgrades to the browser being voluntary. But it's nice to know about Windows browsers too. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: flash killer extension for firefox 4
On Monday 28 March 2011 at 15:07:02 (GMT+2) Udi Finkelstein Linux- i...@udif.com wrote: Firefox does not upgrade without your permission. That is not true here. Check under Tools/Options/Advanced/Update, and set There is no item resembling Options under FirefoxTools here. Ask me what I want to do Halevai. instead of Automatically download and install the update. Udi On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Uri Even-Chen u...@speedy.net wrote: ... Firefox upgraded itself to 3.6.16 without my permission. I guess most of plugins will not be compatible with Firefox 4. The current habit is indeed to rush any new version to release, whether or not the necessary supplement (plugins, addons) are available for it. When I installed openSuSE v11.4, Firefox 4 (a release candidate!!!) came with it without any offer of a atable alternative. I do not know what kind of mind would inflict a release candidate when a stable 3.6.16 was available. For what it's worth, I do not like FF4. It is loaded with changes made for the sake of making changes, which seems to be a disease od wpidemic proportions among Linux (at least) developers in general. Uri Even-Chen Mobile Phone: +972-50-9007559 E-mail: u...@speedy.net Website: http://www.speedy.net/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: product review? Fujicom external HDD
On Monday 28 March 2011 at 15:22:22 (GMT+2) Justin thelonecabb...@gmail.com wrote: looking to by an external eSATA drive. This is the only one that seems reasonably priced in Israel. http://www.getit.co.il/Prod/62962 That page doesn't exist. Problem is I can't find any reviews on it (hebrew or english), or if it works with Linux. Has anyone else had experience with it? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Unused WesternDigital Passport 320GB USB exterrnal HD for sale
On Sunday 20 March 2011 at 23:25:46 (GMT+2) Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: I don't get it. The software that it's there is just for backup stuff (there are other utils, hard disk icons etc depending on which model). You can always use gparted or any other partitioning program to erase it, so why do you want to sell it? Hetz I can add a bit to my earlier remarks about this drive. A while before I posted the offer to sell it, I sent off a message to WEsternDigital support, and asked what I could do to make the drive more useful in the environment in which I operate. This morning I received a reply which I find interesting, despite the obligatory preface: We do not support Linux with this product. The man gave me a link to the PDF user manual for the drive; a nice touch, which almost makes up for the failure to print it on a slip of paper in the packaging along with the drive. The manual has a chapter about converting the drive to use with Mac boxes, how to reformat, and how to opt out of the smart software. What it says one cannot do is avoid the need for a password. I am rethinking my offer of sale, reformating, and giving the smart software the deep six. If the hidden partitions won't bother me, I can pretend that they aren't there. If you want to see the user manual, it is at http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/UM/ENG/4779-705020.pdf. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Unused WesternDigital Passport 320GB USB exterrnal HD for sale
I bought this device a week or so ago, not realizing that it has some Windows-oriented password protection software imbedded in it in an invisible partition that seems to occupy about 2MB. I do not want to fiddle with it, and would like to sell it cheap. The listed price for it is NIS300; I paid a bit less. If you are interested in it, please drop me a note and tell me what you would be willing to pay for it. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How to say reference implementation?
On Monday 14 March 2011 18:26:00 Dotan Cohen wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 09:26, Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com wrote: http://bitorama.com/ Thanks, I'll browse there every now and then. 2011/3/14 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.com MIMOOSH LEDUGMA? It sounds to me as, an implementation for example, which is very different from the reference implementation. I agree, it does not sound authoritative. It appears that the Hebrew wording would be MIMUSH YAATS (מימוש יעץ). I seriously doubt anybody would do nothing else than open huge eyes if they hear these words. I would stick with REFERENCE MIMUSH for the sake of your audience. Reference is a common Hebrew word ... :) Thanks, where did you come across that? Is there a technical dictionary? It should be MIMUSH REFERENCE (מימוש רפרנס)- not REFERENCE MIMUSH (רפרנס מימוש) as the order of the words in Hebrew is reversed. Thanks, Shlomi. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:44, Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il wrote: On Monday, 14 בMarch 2011 10:56:59 Robert Wallner wrote: I'm not a linguist either, but what about מימוש סמך לא רע, מה לגבי מימוש יחוס. I think these are a bit off the mark, and that the reason for this is that the meaning of the term hasn't been defined in this thread. My reasoning is as follows: A pupose or goal has been defined, a broad method has been defined for achieving this purpose. The method can be IMPLEMENTED in any number of different ways, not all of which may have been defined (or even imagined) as yet, but there is an implementation which has been made, and its characteristics have been measured and defined. It is then the REFERENCE against which other implementations, when they are reduced to practice, will be compared. It is the REFERENCE IMPLEMENTATION because it is the one to which we will REFER in discussion of, e.g. plusses and minusses. I don't think any of the proposed translations fit that meaning of the original term. Thanks, I like that. Actually, I will use that translation even if HP used a half-English breed. I hate with a passion half-English. My daughters wear namnemot to sleep, and they like to put together tatzrefim. I should note that there's a mailing list on YahooGroups for Hebrew-* and *- Hebrew translators: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hebtranslators/ It's very active, but not exclusive to computer terms (which I happen to like). Thank you Shlomi, that looks terrific! I am signing up. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Netbook without windows
On Wednesday 02 March 2011 10:40:14 amichay p. k. wrote: Hi, I'm looking to buy a netbook, and wants to find out - Did anyone managed to get a computer without windows? I want something basic, preferably less than 2500 NIS, and plans to run Ubuntu Netbooks and use it to surf the Internet, etc. Anyone know a place that sells computers to suit me? Mediatek, in Haifa (04)881-3300, sells Dell computers -- mostly the Latitude series, but they'll supply anything. Dell has certain models of both netbooks and conventional laptops that they advertise available for Linux. I do not think that means that other models do not support Llinux, only that it governs which disk they give you. Moeover, the price of a Dell computer is the same whether with and out the usual Windows installation. To me, that means one is better off to take the Windows for the sake of the legal disk, which is useful e.g. for use in a virtual machine; you can get a Ubuntu disk by yourself. I have been buying computers from them for many years, including a Dell laptop that is running openSuSE. If you call Mediatek, ask for Ilan. Please mention my name. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Netbook without windows
On Wednesday 02 March 2011 18:39:20 Tzadik Vanderhoof wrote: The OEM also states that you can buy a computer with Windows pre-installed, and if you don't agree with the OEM, and do not use Windows at all (i.e. you wipe out Windows and install another OS), you have the right to return the disks and get a refund from Microsoft for the value of Windows. People have actually received this money. I think there are court cases pending against Microsoft because they make this process difficult. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 10:50 AM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote: The fact you got installation discs, doesn't mean its legal/permitted by MS to install them on any computer you want. It depends. From what I understand of the EULA (which you can easily find on their site if you want to read it) if you buy an OEM version of Windows from Microsoft, you can install it on another computer if the one you bought it with is replaced by the new one. For example, if your motherboard dies, and you buy a new computer instead of a new motherboard. However it is not legal to install it on another computer if the first one still exists or has it installed. It's also legal to install it in a virtual machine as long as that virtual machine is run only on the computer it was bought for, and only is used by the person who is using the computer. So those virtualization packages which let you run multiple monitors and keyboards require a separate license for each virtual machine. The OEM versions included by a manufacturer, e.g. HP, are different. What is included and how is up to them. Most only include an install partition on the hard drive, and install Windows from that. They usually include a program to make install disks, but the disks can only install on that particular model (it checks BIOS signature) and wipe any drive they are used on. Usually these are not upgradable. For example we bought a Packard Bell computer instead of an HP because HP included 32 bit Windows and we needed 64. To get it on the HP we would of had to buy the full retail version. The OEM can include a sicker with a magic number to do an install if the BIOS signature changes, but they cost more and are often no longer done. Note that the BIOS specific versions of Windows will not install in a virtual machine without the magic number. As far as buying a laptop without Windows, I highly recommend against it. You are not going to save very much, probably around 100 NIS, and it really lowers the resale/gift value. It's just a question of whether or not you think you will sell it before it becomes so obsolete no one wants it. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it. All very interesting. I suspect that a cometent lawyer could make a case that the combination of the limitations described in this thread (which seem to me reasonable in themselves) coupled with MS policies enforced to punish or discourage vendors that wish to sell computers sans Windows, amount to restraint of trade, and are therefore themselves illegal. I think the same attorney could also demonstrate the same for the regioning policy for DVDs. Such a lawyer would have streets named for him in cities all over the world, not to mention roses. But all that is a horse of a different wheelbase, and not what the OP wanted to know. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Wine, Hebrew and Google Summer of Code
On Wednesday 02 March 2011 21:48:19 Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, Please correct me if I'm wrong, but at the moment, Wine doesn't have yet full Hebrew/Arabic support at the moment. With the correct encoding you can make Wine show hebrew (in menus etc), but mixing Hebrew and english still doesn't work and you have to jump through many hoops to make Wine work well with some hebrew support. At the moment, in order to make hebrew work, some considerable investment is required, be it a paid freelancer(s) to work on it or group of volunteers. As of this Monday, Google is accepting applications from organizations for Google summer of code (see here: http://goo.gl/lrt1q ). My question: Is there any person, group or organization that can submit an application for Wine Hebrew support? That way, everyone wins: The student(s) will be paid by Google (I think they'll be happy to accept Wine Hebrew/Arabic/BiDi to GSOC), and the Linux community will finally have (if everything goes well) a decent Hebrew/Arabic implementation in Wine. What do you think? I think much of your above description of Wine as related to mixing RL and LR languages is equally applicable to the text module(s) used in any of the editors I have used, It's deplorable. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Completely OT: Where can I find Hebrew etymology?
On Saturday 26 February 2011 at 22:07:16, Stan Goodman Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com wrote: Hi Stan! On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:52, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com wrote: Dotan... Can you be more specific about the problem; can you give a concrete example of a problem you would have to solve, and what you would expect from the book? Is it to trace words from foreign-language origins (like Nanas from Greek, for example)? Or something else? There are some Hebrew words that I'd like to know where they come from. Such as Petria - is this related to the Petri dish and the biologist for whom it was named? Is this just a coincidence that the words sound so similar? There are tens of other examples of curious words. You mean Pitriya, mushroom, fungus? I would be enormously surprised if this was a word so modern that it had to be invented by, or named for, a 19 - 20th century biologist. Pitriyot have surely been eaten here for millenia. I don't think Ben-Yehuda had to invent it. It's a proper Hebrew word. I'm sure you have googled and found the lots of hits from hebrew etymology to be inadequate for your purpose. I have googled Hebrew etymology but of all the hits I find the etymology of words that have Hebrew as their root language. No dictionaries for Hebrew words' etymologies. Etymology isn't necessaily associated with borrowing words from other languages, so I suppose at least some of those hits include examples of borrows. Hebrew is like most other languages, in that it borrows words when it hasn't got native ones -- and sometimes even if it does. For example, salmon is almost always called salmon now in the supermarket (and everybody pronounces the L, which is not done at all in English); I'm sure lots of people don't know what Iltit means or what sort of animal it is. The Talmud has borrows from Greek, because that was what people were exposed to; for example, Baskilos (slightly distorted from Greek Basilikos) is sometimes used for king, although Melekh was certainly available. If that's the case, my own reaction would be to write to the Hebrew Language Academy and ask for a list of books. Or perhaps to walk into the University in Be'er-Sheva and find which professor can point you to the right place. Or maybe to go into their library and talk to the librarian. I should in fact probably head into the university. Thanks. What, after all, are universities for? =;-/8 On the other hand, it may be a mistake not to inqure also at the Academy. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Completely OT: Where can I find Hebrew etymology?
On Saturday 26 February 2011 02:01:17 Dotan Cohen wrote: Geeks, help me here! Where can I find the etymology (word root) for non-Biblical Hebrew words? Words such as petria, or mivreshet? An online source would be great, but I'm willing to buy a book if need be. Thanks! Dotan... Can you be more specific about the problem; can you give a concrete example of a problem you would have to solve, and what you would expect from the book? Is it to trace words from foreign-language origins (like Nanas from Greek, for example)? Or something else? I'm sure you have googled and found the lots of hits from hebrew etymology to be inadequate for your purpose. If that's the case, my own reaction would be to write to the Hebrew Language Academy and ask for a list of books. Or perhaps to walk into the University in Be'er-Sheva and find which professor can point you to the right place. Or maybe to go into their library and talk to the librarian. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: I have an unused shrink-wrapped router I want to sell
On Sunday 20 February 2011 10:46:09 vor...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope it is not shrink-wrapped, for real, as it will keep the moisture in. Moisture will cause corrosion || rust. HTH! - Original Message - From: Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com To: Linux-IL linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:52:15 PM (GMT+0200) Auto-Detected Subject: I have an unused shrink-wrapped router I want to sell It is a D-Link DIR-615, a wireless N 300 router, still virgin and shrink- wrapped, and I want to sell it. This is not a modem-router combo, but if you need an ADSL/Cable modem (Pre-owned, works fine) ai can sell you. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
I have an unused shrink-wrapped router I want to sell
It is a D-Link DIR-615, a wireless N 300 router, still virgin and shrink- wrapped, and I want to sell it. This is not a modem-router combo, but if you need an ADSL/Cable modem (Pre-owned, works fine) ai can sell you. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Update: eVrit e-book Reader
On Thursday 17 February 2011 11:57:38 Amichai Rotman wrote: I downloaded a sample book from the Barns Noble site (what they call a 'NookBook) and transfered it to the device directly (an .epub file) From its name, I was sure that the NookBook was specialized to pornographic literature. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Networking: How to add another router
On Sunday 13 February 2011 22:51:57 Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011, Geoff Shang wrote about Re: Networking: How to add another router: It would. However, I only have a router and it seems like a bit of a waste to buy a 4/8/16 port switch to accommodate only one more device. Then I'm even more confused what the problem was... a so-called router *is* a switch. You just need to ignore all its irrelevant features (all related to its special WAN port) and use it as a switch. A router is indeed a switch. But a switch that you buy as a switch is much cheaper than a router that you are using as a switch. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Networking: How to add another router
On Sunday 13 February 2011 22:58:07 Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:14:27PM +0200, Geoff Shang wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011, Michael Tewner wrote: Shimi's solution will work - use a cross-over cable, though, in order to connect the switches together. hmm. Is there an easy way to tell a crossover cable from a straight one? I've never really had to worry about it before except in one specific instance and I had many fewer ethernet cables in those days. By the colors of the wires: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vergleich_2von2_Crossoverkabel.jpg An even easier way is to tell the guy at the store that what you want to buy is a crossover cable. Crossover cables do come in a different color than the straight through kind. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
TV card
I am considering installing a TV card in my desktop machine, to enable me to view programming of terrestrial digital TV stations. I would be grateful for any remarks from users of such cards about reliability, ease of installation, ease of use, availability of drivers, and other pertinent characteristics. I would be interested in viewing video both on the monitor, monitor in a partial screen, and sometimes through an existing external analog TV receiver. Ability to record video is a secondary consideration for me, as far as I can now predict. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?
On Tuesday 18 January 2011 19:42:46 Kfir Lavi wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: hi, in the school of my son they are interested in getting some 1 hour long presentations from parents about various interesting subject. I could talk hours and days about Linux and Open Source in general but I wonder what do you think. What would be interesting to 13 year old kids? I am not sure free speech is interesting to them and unfortunately they are probably used to that every software is free beer. Given the cheats and cracks. So what do you think? regards Gabor -- Gabor Szabo http://szabgab.com/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il I would introduce them to Linux world from their point of view - Cellphones. You can talk about the history of Linux in a lite way, but the main will start with Android OS and how Google arrived there. Then show some modding of Android, to show how customizable is Linux, and how the power is in their hands. 13 year old are smart, and probably they know a lot about Linux. Richard and Linus are worth knowing about, and how this kids are using their work. Most likely not all the kids will be interested, but take care that few will be inspired, and thats all you need. I would like to here this lecture too :-) Regards, Kfir ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il Why have the three messages of this thread, all of which are dated 10Jan2011 (over a week ago) just now appeared in my inbox? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?
On Monday 10 January 2011 13:44:11 Justin wrote: 13yr old? I'd emphasize that Linux doesn't host spyware either by infection, trojan or the manufacturers. So it's less likely to record your porn browsing habits. (hey it worked for IE8) I might also point out that Windows is what grumpy adults are forced to use in their offices. And the people changing the world over in The Valley, are using Linux. Teens also spend an inordinate amount of time fantasizing that they are special, and that anything they don't have limits. Point out that in Linux they can learn every detail, nuance and control it, and the world will reward them for this. But in Windows, their is a limit they are ALLOWED to learn before working for MS. Sizzle, not the Steak? On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: Justin has hit on the most powerful point, i.e. being different from adults like their fuddy-duddy parents. Hey, kids! Be the first on your block to have a good reason to talk down to your old man! It's irresistable. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Electronic Junk in Haifa
Years ago, there was a junk shop in Haifa, near the wholesale vegetable market and not far from the old Turkish railway station. I know that it isn't there anymore; is there such a place anywhere in the vicinity where disused and unneeded electronic odds and ends are bought and sold? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [HAIFUX LECTURE] Creative Commons Licenses - Dalit Ken-Dror
At 03:03:10 on Sunday Sunday 5 December 2010, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il wrote: On Monday, December 6th (TOMORROW) at 18:30, Haifux will gather to hear Dalit Ken-Dror talk about Is it really necessary to give people only 24 hours to decide if they want to attend a meeting and to rearrange their plans to accommodate the decision? Not everybody lives minute to minute. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Open Information
At 18:18:08 on Monday Monday 25 October 2010, Steve G. word...@gmail.com wrote: I was not asking you to join Facebook, that part was directed at existing members. I also agree with you that a content sharing and dissemination site is not the right place to keep information private and obscure. That said, it is one thing for Facebook to know what I am doing, or even the CIA/FBI/NSA, who is eavesdropping on these services, and another for them to send user profile and activities info to third party. It is just like the phone book - I put my number in the public domain so people can find me, but that does not mean I want someone to collate my number with the socioeconomic average for my street, then package it and send it to marketers so they can call me and offer subscriptions for Newsweek. Z. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.ilwrote: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 09:03:08AM -0600, Steve G. wrote: This message is about information neutrality and openness, which I find to be parallel to open source vs. walled garden approach. I find the attitude of Facebook towards my information distressing. While they have no problem sharing my personal data with marketers, app developers, and strategic partners, which is bad enough, they now limit access to my data that I DO wish to share to BING, but not to Google or other engines. I wrote express my opinion about it here, http://www.words2u.net/pmwiki/?n=Opinion.FreeMyFacebookInfo , and have also started a Facebook group to convince Facebook to change their practices: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_112921682105482ap=1 You are all invited to read/join and express your opinion on the matter, which to me is just as important as net neutrality or free access to But that's their business plan, and it's hard to argue that it isn't a successful one, having produced (even without bludgeoning customers to bundle their operating system exclusively) megamultigazillionaires. They've been at it long enough for their market to be aware of what they do, and either not to mind it or to be enthusiastic about it. If it doesn't fit with your expectations (which would be a lot like mine), then you are not in the market sector to which they appeal, as simple as that. Perhaps you should consider finding another social site that is a better match. Wikipedia has a long list of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_networking_websites Who would have thought there were so many? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: What's up with Bezeq ? Can people please try the following:
Is this related to the slow download speed that was reported at the beginning of this thread? For the past few weeks, downloading has ben extremely slow here, as has also the time for sites to load in Firefox. In CNN, vilm clips are impossible to view, because the buffer empties every two or three seconds, and much time basses until if refills sufficiently. How, if at all, is this related to what is discussed in this message? At 14:37:52 on Thursday Thursday 21 October 2010, Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com wrote: Known problem, ask bezeq to remove netex from your internet account: http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=3891 -- Arie 2010/10/19 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.com I use bezeqint, I am also redirected to google from both sites, and the tracepath is lost for both sites in the same location - 6: bzq-219-189-14.cablep.bezeqint.net (62.219.189.14) 532.665ms asymm 9 7: no reply Orna 2010/10/18 ik ido...@gmail.com I'm redirected to google: Run your web applications on Google's infrastructure. I'm using ccc as my ISP (had enough with the big ISP), but OpenDNS as my dns server. Ido 2010/10/18 Maxim Veksler ma...@vekslers.org Hi, Something very strange is going on these days with Bezeq ISP network. I seem to be unable to reach appspot.com while appengine.google.comworks just fine. Both of these services are available: http://tools.pingdom.com/?url=appspot.com http://tools.pingdom.com/?url=appengine.google.com Can people please try these following with your connection and report back. Could you mention what ISP your connected with? **NOTE: This will reveal you IP address** wget -q -O - checkip.dyndns.org|sed -e 's/.*Current IP Address: //' -e 's/.*$//' 84.108.229.170 wget appspot.com --2010-10-18 08:27:48-- http://appspot.com/ Resolving appspot.com... 173.194.36.141 Connecting to appspot.com|173.194.36.141|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2010-10-18 08:27:49 ERROR 404: Not Found. tracepath appspot.com 1: maximveksler-desktop 0.147ms pmtu 1500 1: 192.168.1.1 1.039ms 1: 192.168.1.1 1.093ms 2: 10.227.160.1 9.835ms 3: bzq-115-189-145.static.bezeqint.net 27.992ms asymm 6 4: bzq-115-189-145.static.bezeqint.net 11.124ms asymm 6 5: bzq-179-73-242.static.bezeqint.net 11.611ms asymm 11 6: bzq-179-124-165.static.bezeqint.net 13.540ms asymm 8 7: bzq-179-124-138.static.bezeqint.net 16.537ms asymm 9 8: bzq-25-116-157.static.bezeqint.net 10.893ms asymm 11 9: bzq-25-116-158.static.bezeqint.net 20.788ms asymm 10 10: bzq-25-95-209.static.bezeqint.net13.101ms asymm 9 11: bzq-179-124-181.static.bezeqint.net 17.586ms asymm 8 12: bzq-179-124-150.static.bezeqint.net 11.194ms asymm 9 13: bzq-219-189-14.cablep.bezeqint.net 786.081ms asymm 11 14: no reply 15: no reply 16: no reply 17: no reply 18: no reply 19: no reply 20: no reply 21: no reply 22: no reply 23: no reply 24: no reply 25: no reply 26: no reply 27: no reply 28: no reply 29: no reply 30: no reply 31: no reply Too many hops: pmtu 1500 Resume: pmtu 1500 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il LINESIP websites: http://www.linesip.com http://www.linesip.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda. http://ladypine.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: O'reilly Books in Israel
On Friday 24 September 2010 09:14:23 Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi all, I am looking for the fastest eay to acquire O'reilly books in Israel - I mean - where can i find them in a book store or an Israeli Online bookstore... I guess i could order from Amazon - but it will take it about a month or so to arrive, and I need it sooner... Any of you know of such a bookstore? Thanks! It won't take anything like a month, and it will be shipped from Germany, not from the US. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Laptop
At 11:59:22 on Friday Friday 03 September 2010, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: On Friday 03 September 2010 06:04:59 Steve G. wrote: My 4+ year old Macbook is dying a slow death, and I am contemplating getting a new laptop and would like your advice. Here are the parameters: - My environment is Linux, Ubuntu for the last 2-3 years, and I would like to have it available to me on the laptop if I can. I have little use for either Mac OS-X or Windows as far as actually making much use of the software, beyond vary basic usage (iTunes, VLC, etc.). Linux is a different story. - I have several reasons to buy a Windows 7 machine. First, I have a Magellan GPS that only works with Windows. Second, some bank accounts require it to fully function. Third, I can get a lot more computer for the money with Wintel than with Apple. Last, Ubuntu Laptops with the latest hardware may or may not work. - So, I am thinking about getting a 64x, core i3 laptop from Toshiba or Dell. These are available with 13-15 screen, 250-350GB HD (I think IDE, some are Sata but more expensive), 3-4GB RAM. In theory, at least, these can be virtualized, and I should be able to run either vmware, xen, virtual box or whatever client MS provides for free. One can get core i3 for around $500 So here are my questions: 1. Does anyone know if Win7 includes a virtualization program that would allow me to run Linux under it? How efficient is it - will I be able to put it on full screen, forget I am running Windows, and use my preferred environment? I don't know if it includes anything like that, but you can always install something like the open-source VirtualBox: http://www.virtualbox.org/ You could even (what am I saying?) run Linux on the machine, and run Windows under VirtualBox for your GPS. I've been using VirtualBox happily on top of Linux. There's also VMware which isn't free or gratis and other solutions. 2. Any recommendations for something that is fully compatible with Linux, in case I get an alternative and can get rid of the windows part? I bought this Acer laptop: http://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#computers-specs Acer Aspire 5738DZG and it works perfectly fine with Mandriva Linux 2010.1 (most everything I've tried there works, with a few minor glitches), though it's a relatively old model - Dual Core. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux books, fast shipping?
At 01:38:01 on Monday Monday 30 August 2010, Kfir Lavi lavi.k...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I need to buy 4 books, and would like a recommendation where I should buy them in order to get them ASAP. Amazon is the first choice, but is it fast? Amazon ships from Germany, so it's as local as you can find. I have found it to be fast. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: heard about internetto?
At 18:46:18 on Friday Friday 20 August 2010, Diego Iastrubni elc...@kde.org wrote: On יום חמישי 19 אוגוסט 2010 23:09:29 geoffrey mendelson wrote: I'm not sure it's really worth it. Last I checked, you could get a voice line from BEZEQ for 15 NIS a month, if you only used it for a small number of calls a month. For that price, I would rather keep a line from them and have a dumb phone on it to make calls when my VoIP line was down. Having called Bezeq myself yesterday after reading Hetz's blog, this is what I understand from them: * kav kal - 25mis per month. 0.25 agorot per minute of call http://www.bezeq.co.il/Telephony/PhoneLines/KavKal/Pages/kavkal.aspx In fact, of course, the cost for calls is 25 agorot/min, not 0.25. Makes a difference. For comparison, using the VoIP connection I already have, and adding an Israel DID number would cost $5/mo for the DID (~NIS20); price for calls is $0.019/minute (~8 agorot). The advantage, although it won't change my financial condition, is in favor of VoIP. That the ASDL modem I have from Bezeq is the same one I would get for Internetto, so I don't see that there are any additional infrastructure costs for Bezeq; I would not need equipment for VoIP. The VoIP solution also relieves me of extra charges for other carriers, i.e. for the privilege of calling this or that cellular company. * kav muzal - 35mis per month. 0.15 agorot per minute: http://www.bezeq.co.il/Telephony/Phonelines/DiscountedLine/Pages/discou ntedline.aspx On top of that you need to pay for the tashtit (look the small prints, 3 three months have different price), look also for NGN on that page: 81.90 nis - 2mbps 99.90 nis - 5mbps http://www.bezeq.co.il/Internet/FastInternet/intsale/Pages/surfingpacks .aspx ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: heard about internetto?
At 17:38:16 on Tuesday Tuesday 17 August 201en Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: I just thought to tell you about a new Bezeq service called Internetto (אינטרנטו). Bezeq doesn't publish anything about it, so I wrote about it here: http://benhamo.org/wp/?p=2257 Hi... I've read with great interest your description of the Internetto service on your website, and intend to drop by the Bezeq business office early in the coming week to make the change in my Bezeq service. What worries me, based on past conversations with Bezeq about non-plain-vanilla products is that the person behind the desk will look at me blankly, and tell me that there is no such think as Internetto (which anyway sounds like it's a chocolate-covered waffle bar, or maybe an online video game), and I will have nothing to point to, e.g. a Bezeq web page, to prove that I am not a bewildered homeless man looking the free waffle that I was promised. Do you know for a fact that the people at the business office know about Internetto, and will know how to deal with my request? If not, do you know what I would have to do to convince them? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: You develop in Linux and are looking for work, and are requested to provide CV as a .doc file - what would you do?
At 23:28:44 on Sunday Sunday 15 August 2010, Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il wrote: I am now looking for work, and am undergoing the usual drill of sending E-mail messages in response to job/project ads and referrals. My mode of operation is to E-mail the URL to my CV in my Website. Light and sweet E-mail and the receipient's E-mail client has the convenient affordance of letting the receipient see my CV by clicking on the URL in the E-mail message. I encountered an interesting phenomenon. Some of those companies (both placement and project subcontract work outfits) look for a Linux software developer AND expect you to E-mail them a MS-Word .doc file. My current rule of thumb is to accommodate the job placement companies - they just matchmake according to keywords, and they have too much work to educate their workers about the foibles of Linux developers. But I would expect the subcontractors to have a clue about Linux developers/users (no MS-Word, in other words). If YOU were looking for work now, how would YOU deal with such companies? I hope that, in the situation you describe, I would have the sense to load OpenOffice, open my CV in whatever format I am keeping it, and save it as a DOC file. There is no problem with that procedure, based on the meager details you have supplied. As you say you already realize, the head hunters that are searching for a programmer have no reason to think of formats, or to try to match required formats to the proclivities and abilities of applicants. They probably have no clue about what Linux is, nor is there any reason that they should. Why make an issue of format -- if, that is, you are interested in the job that is offered. You do know about OpenOffice, right? --- Omer -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux users in Beer Sheva?
At 14:24:03 on Monday Monday 09 August 2010, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: I'm moving to Beer Sheva, it does not seem that there is a LUG there. Anyone? But we can send you CARE packages. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Playing TAU lectures from videos.tau.ac.il
At 20:08:06 on Saturday Saturday 31 July 2010, Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:58:24 +0300 Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:57:58 +0300 Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com wrote: At 13:41:19 on Friday Friday 30 July 2010, Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:46:08 +0300 Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: [...] I do not like prejudice. The only way to fix TAU issues is via the help desk. Trust me, we're not your usual Joe ISP. We are a strong Unix/Linux shop, and most of our applications, especially web apps, are based on open source. Actually most of your student related sites are IE only and I've seen no interest what so ever to try and change that. As a teacher in TAU I have a constant issue working around TAU website limitations. Virtual tau is one notorious subject (I'm not uploading exercises for my students to virtual due to that reason) Seker Horaa has also been horrible last time I checked (I haven't bothered for a long time since I got fed up with the constant response: use IE, so I just didn't use in instead) The only answer I have ever managed to get from the help desk is use IE, so I personally stopped trying, and it sounds like accessing this list for help is probably the only means to get an answer at the moment, unless you can prove otherwise. The glove I believe is with you at the moment. Prove us wrong ... So you are saying that the Trust me is salesman talk? Hot air? Sucked out of his thumb? From my experience up to now, yes To be fair: Anything server related they usually solve rather well. If it's web related, I've given them solutions in the past (exact FIXED html code) and they still couldn't solve the problem. They also never seemed to care. I'd talk to them on the phone and the support would send me looking for windows machines at the neighbors or whatever to get the work done. I've stopped bothering, but I doubt that they improved any. Actually, my comment was occasioned not by their responsiveness (about which I know nothing), but by the smug confidence and defensive counter attack with which he explains away complaints. Populistic was a real gem. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Playing TAU lectures from videos.tau.ac.il
At 13:41:19 on Friday Friday 30 July 2010, Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:46:08 +0300 Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: [...] I do not like prejudice. The only way to fix TAU issues is via the help desk. Trust me, we're not your usual Joe ISP. We are a strong Unix/Linux shop, and most of our applications, especially web apps, are based on open source. Actually most of your student related sites are IE only and I've seen no interest what so ever to try and change that. As a teacher in TAU I have a constant issue working around TAU website limitations. Virtual tau is one notorious subject (I'm not uploading exercises for my students to virtual due to that reason) Seker Horaa has also been horrible last time I checked (I haven't bothered for a long time since I got fed up with the constant response: use IE, so I just didn't use in instead) The only answer I have ever managed to get from the help desk is use IE, so I personally stopped trying, and it sounds like accessing this list for help is probably the only means to get an answer at the moment, unless you can prove otherwise. The glove I believe is with you at the moment. Prove us wrong ... So you are saying that the Trust me is salesman talk? Hot air? Sucked out of his thumb? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Playing TAU lectures from videos.tau.ac.il
At 20:46:08 on Monday Monday 26 July 2010, Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: I'll bite. What this thread asks is not how to redistribute these films for free or for pay [FreeDist], but rather how to legitimately view them on Linux while fully respecting the copyrights. Apparently, the TAU workers did not do enough work to ensure portability and interoperability for non-Microsoft-based operating systems, and the people who asked here want to find a good workaround. This thread is entirely due to their lack of ability (or because they did not care enough), and it should be expected given that people use Linux and want to view the lectures there, which is within their rights as TAU students. Agreed. That may not be a bad thing, because it gives publicity to the university, and allows other people to enjoy your content. See: * http://remix.lessig.org/ * http://ocw.mit.edu/ (OpenCourseWare). Yes, but TAUs policy on copyright is not on discussion, nor am I authorized to change it. These internal means likely take time, as many people who have tried to contact the operators of web-sites that do not function in non-MSIE-browsers can attest to. In the meanwhile, people would need some Linux-specific workarounds, which would not be needed if the TAU staff cared enough about checking that. You reap what you sow. I do not like prejudice. The only way to fix TAU issues is via the help desk. Trust me, we're not your usual Joe ISP. We are a strong Unix/Linux shop, and most of our applications, especially web apps, are based on open source. But it has been explained to you that Linux users have already addressed the help desk, which has not found (or which doesn't really care to find) a way to solve the problem, thus leaving Linux users unable to access the pages that they need for their course work. What does trust me mean in such a case? Hiding behind copyright law is a weak excuse. The university cannot arrange its student pages in such a way that proprietary software is needed for access, and then complain when students who are told to use the pages try to access without the proprietary software. I don't think that argument is populistic, as you have argued; I don't think you do either, if you will think about it. -- Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
TAU lectures, BG Airport departures/arrivals, Kupat Holim lab results -- Linux
There was some discussion here not long ago about the tendency of Israeli website owners to ignore issues of access by users of non-Microsoft browsers, and there seemed then to be a feeling that something ought to be done about it. That feeling seems to have dissipated, although the problem remains (and promises to get worse). To challenge the indifference of web designers to the problem seems a lost cause, as many of them have learned (I use the term loosely) to code in inexpensive Microsoft-sponsored courses which exist largely for the purpose of indoctrinating their students in the belief that MS enhancements are the best or only way to code web pages; they are not knowledgeable enough to understand arguments to the contrary. Owners of websites are also not a productive target for persuasion, e.g. because they feel that if they are reaching 90% of their clients, they have done as well as they ever can do, which really is not an illogical business decision. On the other hand, all the organizations listed in the Subject line above are quasi-governmental agencies, and therefore have a responsibility to serve any member of the public who is equipped with standard apparatus, without regard to specific proprietary gear. They are all subject to the oversight of the State Comptroller, and I submit that the State Comptroller is the office that should be approached with the complaint and argument that these agencies are delinquent in their responsibility, given that e.g. Firefox is compliant with standards, whereas Internet Explorer (although universally favored by the ignoramuses who code the websites in question) is not. If this makes sense to others, and if there is still interest in rectifying this long-time problem, I propose that a proper complaint be lodged with the Comptroller, who is bound to respond within a length of time set by law (I think it is three months). I think that this letter should be be drafted by a committee representing IGLU and signed by the largest possible number of members. The problem is not going to go away by itself. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
What does this error message mean?
Working within openSuSE v11.1/kde3, I tried to mount a partition which belongs to openSuSE v11.2/kde4, to enable me to transfer data to the newer system. When I selected the Mount option on the menu for the target partition (in the Konqueror file manager), the following message appears: org.freedesktop.hal.stprage.mount- fixed.auth_admin_keep_always_(active,results). What does this really want to tell me? Is it a consequence of the different file systems? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Migrating kde data from kde3 to kde4
I have installed oS v11.2 on a clean HD in a box that also contains another HD which contains v11.1/kde3. I want to copy the data from the old system to the newer one, which is no problem except for the data of the kde apps. If it were not for the great difference between the two kde versions, I would simply carry over the .kde directory, and be assured that I had captured all the data. But the v11.1 system contains both .kde and .kde4 directories, and I am not at all sure of how they interrelate. I would be grateful to anyone for comments, advice, and warnings on migrating kde data from one system to the other. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Migrating kde data from kde3 to kde4
On Sunday 13 June 2010 10:20:20 Boris shtrasman wrote: If you are going to use kde 4.4 make sure to copy your resource files for example if you are using kaddressbook backup the file : ** *.kde/share/apps/kabc/std.vcf* After resent upgrade (from 4.3.4 to 4.4.3) there was a bug that did not display the contacts. I would recommend to copy also all related to kmobiletools since in resent version it dosn't exist anymore. On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.comwrote: I have installed oS v11.2 on a clean HD in a box that also contains another HD which contains v11.1/kde3. I want to copy the data from the old system to the newer one, which is no problem except for the data of the kde apps. If it were not for the great difference between the two kde versions, I would simply carry over the .kde directory, and be assured that I had captured all the data. But the v11.1 system contains both .kde and .kde4 directories, and I am not at all sure of how they interrelate. I would be grateful to anyone for comments, advice, and warnings on migrating kde data from one system to the other. What I have is 4.3.5. Mobile tools are not an issue, as I don't have a mobile phone. What I had intended to do was to copy over the .kde4 directory in toto to the same directory in the new system. The question really is what, if anything, do I need to do with the .kde directory. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Migrating kde data from kde3 to kde4
On Sunday 13 June 2010 19:35:59 you wrote:
On 6/13/10, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.com wrote:
If it were not for the great difference between the two kde versions,
I would simply carry over the .kde directory, and be assured that I
had captured all the data. But the v11.1 system contains both .kde
and .kde4 directories, and I am not at all sure of how they
interrelate.
FWIW: at some point I surely went through the KDE3-KDE4 move (on
Fedora) and I do not recall it ever affecting me. I keep /home on a
separate partition, so when I upgrade the system it remains intact.
Since I don't recall doing anything specific I suspect that either no
directory names needed to be changed or the update took care of
everything. I don't see any ~/.kde{3,4} directories on any of my
machines (on 4.4.{2,3} now), so everything was transparent (and I
don't recall anything breaking in KDE).
I too keep /home on a separate partition, and have thought about keeping
the same /home partition intact across upgrades, but I have never dared to
do so. So my situation is different enough from yours that I still need to
ask the following question more explicitly:
Dotan suggests carrying over only ~/.kde[4]/share/apps/appName. Since
e.g. kmail is represented in both .kde and .kde4, presumably I should
carry over both appName directories. But apps also have subdirectories
~/.kde[4]/share/config/appName, so there are altogether four appName
subdirectories needed for each kde app. I'd bother copying at all only
for kmail and kaddressbook, because that is where imprtant data are.
But when v11.2 and kde4 install kmail and kaddressbook, will they actually
make use of these directories that came from kde3?
Of course, maybe it is just thanks to some RedHat/Fedora sorcery, but
chances are KDE took care of it.
Why not backup your new ~/.kde{,4}, move the old ~/.kde over, start
KDE and see what happens?
Good plan. Thanks much.
--
Stan Goodman
Qiryat Tiv'on
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Re: Genology
On Saturday 05 June 2010 19:28:26 Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi all, Any of you used Gramps for their Shorashim project? I would like to know if there's a way to start it with a Hebrew UI and if there are any Israel /Jewish specific plugins for it... Thanks! Not me. I use GenealogyJ. I say this, not to hijack your thread, but to suggest that you look at what GenealogyJ can do in the way of providing an intuitive display (akthough it has no Hebrew support). You can see it on my website, http://hashkedim.com. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: sipme.me and Linux voip softphone
At 13:47:01 on Tuesday Tuesday 01 June 2010, Tomer Cohen to...@gmx.net wrote: Hi, I've signed-up an account on sipme.me voip provider. They are official landline phone provider from the Ministry of Communication office, and provide phone lines with the 078-555 prefix. They are providing a customized soft-phone application for various platforms, including Windows and Symbian and iPhone, but as I preferred to use it under Linux, I had to configure it on SIP-complaint desktop application. Configuring it on various applications (including Ekiga, QutePhone and sflphone) was not an issue, and I can receive calls without any problem. As for doing calls, it seems that the line is hanging-up right after handshake, so my regular land-line phone is doing half ring and unable to get even the caller id string from the caller. For mobile phones I was unable even to get this. After asking their support, they said that it is happening due to the usage of a different SIP stack, and seems to refuse guiding me with relevant information. Anyone succeed getting their service to work well under Linux? Thanks. I use a VoIP provider in the US (more convenient for me for several reasons). His support desk was helpful in the setup phase and who remains ready to answer questions (I pay $0.019/minute, with no monthLy fee, for calls to virtually anywhere on the planet, with excellent sound quality). The provider I used previously (also in the US) was equally helpful. If sipme is unwilling to even try to support you, what you need is a different provider; there is no excuse for limiting their interest in you to only collecting money from your credit card account. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: What's inside the evrit reader?
At 12:18:16 on Sunday Sunday 30 May 2010, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 May 2010 09:48, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On May 30, 2010, at 9:26 AM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: Does anyone have any idea of what software is running on the new Hebrew e-ink reader evrit? Their web-page does not mention say a word about what platform it is running on, what processor it uses, whether it is firmware upgradable, etc. I saw the article in Yediot. I really don't care what is inside, I want to know how much storage it has, if it has a USB port or memory card slot for extra storage, the size and type of the screen and what formats it reads. It's also awfully expensive, more than a Kindle or Nook but less than an iPad. It might be worthwhile to wait until Steimatzky figures out that it is in the book trade, not in the electronic equipment business, and follows Amazon in making available a free (as in lunch) software version that one can use on equipment that one already has. I think they may have failed to think through the need to provide hardware support for malfunctioning gadgets. I'm using the Kimble PC on both desktop and laptom machines (in a WinXP virtual machine -- it will work under Wine as well) and am very happy with it. Bonus surprise: when I buy a book through the desktop machine, it shows up automagically on the laptop as well, complete with the place at which I stopped reading last time. What can be better. In what format does Steimatzky publish its ebooks? Is it something exotic that it is not supported by one of the freebie software readers? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Which Xawtv frequencty table to use
At 17:46:22 on Saturday Saturday 29 May 2010, Geoff Shang ge...@quitelikely.com wrote: Hi, I have an SAA7134-based analogue TV capture card that I'd like to try to use with over-the-air TV signals. Searching hasn't revealed to me which frequency table one should use here, so I thought I'd ask. A .xawtv file with frequencies would be even better (I'm in Raanana), but I'll settle for knowing the frequency table in use in Israel so that I don't have to do a detailed scann of frequencies to figure out whether or not reception here is too por to make this work. Cheers, Geoff. Why not ask Bezeq? They own the transmitters of the terrestrial channels. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Top 10 Dumb Reasons Apple Beat Microsoft
At 01:29:24 on Sunday Sunday 30 May 2010, Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il wrote: http://blogs.bnet.com/salesmachine/?p=10175tag=col1;post-10175 (requires subscription) What a cheerful article! A pleasure to read, in a world that's otherwise going to Hell in a basket. Let's have more of this stuff. And no, it doesn't require a subscription to read it, only to write a comment. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew calendar software creators: can you notify this list when updating the calendar?
* Rosh Chodesh Kislev (Beginning of the month of Kislev) 11/17* Parshas Vayetzei 11/24* Parshas Vayishlach 12/01* Parshas Vayeshev 12/04* Erev Chanukah 12/04* Light 1st candle 12/05* Chanukah (First Day) 12/05* Light 2nd candle 12/06* Chanukah (Second Day) 12/06* Light 3rd candle 12/07* Chanukah (Third Day) 12/07* Light 4th candle 12/08* Chanukah (Fourth Day) 12/08* Parshas Miketz 12/08* Light 5th candle 12/09* Chanukah (Fifth Day) 12/09* Light 6th candle 12/10* Chanukah (Sixth Day) 12/10* Rosh Chodesh Tevet (Beginning of the month of Tevet) 12/10* Light 7th candle 12/11* Chanukah (Seventh Day) 12/11* Light 8th candle 12/12* Chanukah (Eight Day) 12/15* Parshas Vayigash 12/19* Asara B'Tevet 12/19* Fast of Asara B'Tevet (Babylonians put siege on Jerusalem; fast day) 12/22* Parshas Vayechi 12/29* Parshas Shemos #endif /* !_calendar_judaic_ */ _ Hotmail: שירות דואר אלקטרוני מהימן ועשיר המסופק בחינם. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew calendar software creators: can you notify this list when updating the calendar?
At 23:29:06 on Tuesday Tuesday 25 May 2010, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote: Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il writes: I still believe that the whole approach of having holidays of a single year (it doesn't matter if 2007 or 2010) is wrong. It not only means that the distro needs to update this list every year, it also means that you can't find out when next year's holidays are (and sometimes next year could be next month). So I'd look for a way to somehow use a calendar.judaic file which contains holidays for multiple years (I have no idea if that's possible). It must be. I am not an expert on Hebrew calendar, but I use XEmacs calendar and I have never had any problem finding out holiday dates and stuff for any year, not just the current one. A quick check shows that the solution is in /usr/share/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/calendar/cal-hebrew.el (there is a corresponding GNU emacs file), which says ;;; ;;; cal-hebrew.el --- calendar functions for the Hebrew calendar ;; Copyright (C) 1995, 1997, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 ;; Free Software Foundation, Inc. ;; Author: Nachum Dershowitz nac...@cs.uiuc.edu ;; Edward M. Reingold reing...@cs.uiuc.edu ;; Maintainer: Glenn Morris r...@gnu.org ;; Keywords: calendar ;; Human-Keywords: Hebrew calendar, calendar, diary GNU license stuff snipped - OG ;;; Synched up with: FSF Emacs 22 CVS 2007-03-30 ;;; Commentary: ;; This collection of functions implements the features of calendar.el and ;; diary.el that deal with the Hebrew calendar. ;; Technical details of all the calendrical calculations can be found in ;; ``Calendrical Calculations: The Millennium Edition'' by Edward M. Reingold ;; and Nachum Dershowitz, Cambridge University Press (2001). ;; Comments, corrections, and improvements should be sent to ;; Edward M. Reingold Department of Computer Science ;; (217) 333-6733 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign ;; reing...@cs.uiuc.edu 1304 West Springfield Avenue ;; Urbana, Illinois 61801 ;; So, the people who implemented it for X?Emacs wrote a book on how to do it - easy to find on Amazon as http://www.amazon.com/Calendrical-Calculations-Nachum-Dershowitz/dp/052 1702380/ref=dp_ob_title_bk?ie=UTF8qid=1274819022sr=1-1 - and I do not see anything in the code that would limit it to a particular year. Without any further research, I have to agree with Nadav - anybody who does anything year-specific does something wrong. By the way, the code seems to give the right parasha name - another question that I recall was asked on this forum relatively recently. But parahot are not always the same in Israel and in the Diaspora. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: KDE Jewish/Israeli holiday files: the dev needs our help!
On Wednesday 19 May 2010 23:30:08 Shlomo Solomon wrote: Don't forget the differences out of the country - 2 days for most religious holidays (except for Yom Kippur and Purim and Chanuka). Also the 2 days of Simchat Torah out of the country are called Simchat Torah and Shmini Atzeret (here they're both the same day). On Wednesday 19 May 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote: From the Korganizer dev: For 4.5 however things are changing. The KDE holiday region files now support any KDE calendar system, including Hebrew, so I will be adding new separate files for the Israeli civil holidays and Jewish religious holidays in both English and Hebrew. We can even have separate files for Orthodox and Western holidays if needed. I need to get moving with those files, any help would be appreciated :-) basically we need to decide how many different files to split them into (Civil/Religious, Western/Israeli, English/Hebrew, etc) so users can choose exactly what they want to display, select which holidays go into each file, define what the rules are for each holiday, then make sure the library can cope with the rules. So, first question: how many files are needed? I personally think that a Jewish file (for religious holidays) and an Israeli file (for national holidays) would be enough. As we are a small people, I would even accept an argument that they should both be in a single file. What say you? If you visit the holidays page of the Jewish Genealogical Society http://www.jewishgen.org/jos/josfest.htm, you will see that they give the date for the first day of multi-day holidays. Once one knows the date of the first day of Pesah, for example, he can compute when the second seder is. For cases like Shmini Atzeret, if should not be difficult to provide a switch for Israel/Diaspora, though it ought to be enough to provide the first day of Sukkot, and rely on the user to figure it out. He knows whether he lives here or abroad. Look at the preferences window in the Firefox addon Hebrew Calendar (which even counts the Omer, calls out the Parasha (with an option for Israel or Diaspora). If KDE wants expertise, they should contact the developer of Kaluach kaluach.net. They keep me posted by email about both Israeli and Jewish holidays. It's nice to know that KDE is now asking people's advice about new wrinkles. KDE4 might have turned out differently if they had thought of this earlier. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ספרי קודש
At 18:51:21 on Tuesday Tuesday 18 May 2010, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: What software do the list members recommend for Hebrew-language holy books? I have looked at Sword and Bibletime, are there any other good software in Hebrew? I need the books in Hebrew, the software UI can be in any language. Thanks. I don't how Bible Time and Sword qualify as Hebrew-language holy books. My own very modest requirements are met readily by Machon Mmre and Sifrei Kodesh with a lot of help from the Gordon TaNaKh. Now, if I could get the Gordon in the form of a Kindle Book. =;-/8 What are you really looking for? חג שבועות שמח וחלבי לכל בית ישראל.-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ספרי קודש
At 21:31:54 on Tuesday Tuesday 18 May 2010, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: Dotan Cohen wrote: What software do the list members recommend for Hebrew-language holy books? I have looked at Sword and Bibletime, are there any other good software in Hebrew? I need the books in Hebrew, the software UI can be in any language. Thanks. Personally, I don't like Machon Mamre (http://blog.shemesh.biz/?p=458). I use http://sacred-texts.com/ Shachar What's not to like? It's straight Masoretic text. The English translation is old, and not the current JPS version, but I don't think that's what Dotan is looking for. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: virtualbox question
At 17:29:43 on Saturday Saturday 15 May 2010, guy keren c...@actcom.co.il wrote: sara fink wrote: I installed gentoo in virtualbox. My problem is that with the livecd it builds a filesystem partition that is very small and I don't have control on the size. If I want to add stuff there, the space is very limited. 119mb for /. If I want to add modules to the kernel they need to sit under / , kernel compilation same thing. the /usr/src/linux is 330mb. So kernel recompilation is out of question because it will fail with no space left. Is there any way to increase the size of / ? or other solutions? I am opened to new ideas. 2 options out of the top of my head: 1. a temporary fix: you can turn /usr/src into a symlink to another partition. 2. a permanent fix: create another (much larger) partition, and copy the original root partition to this new partition. find how to do this copy while the guest system is NOT running, and find how to tell virtualbox to use the new partition. --guy On a more fundamental level, why was Sara limited to the live CD, seeing that the download of the full gentoo CD is just as free as the live one? If the purpose of the virtual installation is more than a temporary experiment (which is what live versions are mostly for) might it be worthwhile to download the full version and do it right? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: hosting in USA
At 16:30:03 on Thursday Thursday 06 May 2010, Serge linux...@vects.com wrote: Hello there, Could you advise any good hosting provider in USA? Somebody wants to move from godaddy. Any input very appreciated. Thanks, Serge. My domain has been hosted by Host Excellence http://www.hostexcellence.com/ for years. I can recommend it highly, but of course someone may have needs that it can't answer, I wouldn't know; for example, I didn't enquire into the possibility of hosting a co.il domain, but as far as I know, they don't care. It's inexpensive. It's worth looking into it. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fwd: Ben Gurion - arrivals in Firefox
At 16:57:57 on Tuesday Tuesday 27 April 2010, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: This might interest some of you. (was in HTML originally but I textified with Gmail) Gabor I think the lady has tried to write an appropriate response, but has failed to do so. It isn't clear to me that she understands that the present website is demanding the use of proprietary software (IE) in an environment that has always been intended to be vendor neutral. I think she ought to receive and answer to her letter, asking point blank if the proposed new website will allow the use of non-Microsoft browsers that satisfy real Internet standards. She needs to be compelled to state that explicitly. If she can't do that, she needs to specify who is in a position to relate to the very specific question. If that is not done, we stand an excellent change of finding that the new website again required Internet Explorer, and being fobbed off again (as in the case of the Maccabi website), that the IE requirement is unavoidable because if is the only really secure browser. -- Forwarded message -- From: Telma Shamir tel...@iaa.gov.il Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:59 AM Subject: Ben Gurion - arrivals in Firefox To: szab...@gmail.com Dear Mr. Szabo, Thank you for your e-mail. In reply to your remark I would like to inform you as follows: The IAA site was characterized in 2003, written in CMS Microsoft technology and supports internet Explorer browser. This type of system is based on technology which Varies often, and so do the users' requirements. The Life Expectancy of such software is estimated at 5 to 7 years. Since 2003 we have had many such requests for other Browsers from users. The IAA has considered the requests and has concluded That vast changes should be made. However, in order to do so we need to develop a new site which will respond among others to the need for other browsers. The new site is expected in a few months. In spite of the said above, and in order to satisfy the need of the users of other browsers in the meantime the IAA is now Updating the flight screen (arrivals and departures) information, the most sought information on our site, with an emphasis on adjusting the information to the users with disabilities. The flight information will comply with the W3C standard. We do hope that the update will be complete soon. In the meantime you may ask the Information at Ben-Gurion Airport – 972-3-975 (1 for English and then 9 for human voice). We are sorry for the inconvenience caused to you and other users. Best regards, Thalma Shamir Manager, Public Affairs Ben-Gurion Airport Tel: 972-3-9752386 Fax: 972-3-9752387 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
