Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:38:20 Aidan Gauland wrote: Hello, Are there any motherboard manufacturers who usually make motherboards that work well with Linux, or any that Linux users should avoid? Also, should I just disregard notices like this one? Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website. Thanks, Aidan Embedded Intel video cards have open source drivers but I haven't the first hand experience to talk about them because they cost a packet. Avoid the nVidia equivalents like the plague they are.
Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Aidan Gauland wgsil...@no8wireless.co.nzwrote: Hello, Are there any motherboard manufacturers who usually make motherboards that work well with Linux, or any that Linux users should avoid? Also, should I just disregard notices like this one? Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website. Thanks, Aidan Generally linux driver support is provided by linux itself, and the lack of appropriate drivers is usually a sign of vendors being difficult and releasing proprietary drivers. For example, Nvidia, ATI, you need to download drivers from their providers because the alternatives reek at present in the video department, for northbridge/southbridge its generally in-kernel these days. Simply avoiding a motherboard manufacturer on linux compliance is IMO not a reasonable notion these days, its usually a case of specifics, not general manufacturers. IE: What chipsets they use, what bios they have, etc, and you should look up these specifics and discern how supported they are. Foxconn for example had a nasty problem where they produced a broken ACPI specification to Linux users causing the machine to fail to boot : ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=871311 ) But theres no way to know about that sort of rubbish until you find somebody who has that specific model and has had problems with it. -- Kent perl -e print substr( \edrgmaM SPA nocomil.i...@tfrken\, \$_ * 3, 3 ) for ( 9,8,0,7,1,6,5,4,3,2 );
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Kent Fredrickentfred...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Aidan Gauland wgsil...@no8wireless.co.nz wrote: Hello, Are there any motherboard manufacturers who usually make motherboards that work well with Linux, or any that Linux users should avoid? Also, should I just disregard notices like this one? Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website. Thanks, Aidan Generally linux driver support is provided by linux itself, and the lack of appropriate drivers is usually a sign of vendors being difficult and releasing proprietary drivers. For example, Nvidia, ATI, you need to download drivers from their providers because the alternatives reek at present in the video department, for northbridge/southbridge its generally in-kernel these days. Simply avoiding a motherboard manufacturer on linux compliance is IMO not a reasonable notion these days, its usually a case of specifics, not general manufacturers. IE: What chipsets they use, what bios they have, etc, and you should look up these specifics and discern how supported they are. Foxconn for example had a nasty problem where they produced a broken ACPI specification to Linux users causing the machine to fail to boot : ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=871311 ) But theres no way to know about that sort of rubbish until you find somebody who has that specific model and has had problems with it. I would use the motherboard model number and use it to search the linux kernel mailing list archives. You'll soon find posts like sata performance sucks on xbm345tuvw motherboard Or on the special google linux search http://www.google.com/linux Or simply choose a board and ask on a high volume (=many members) mailing list. the mythtv-users list is generally pretty knowledgeable about motherboards, although the knowledge is skewed towards multimedia, although mythtv will give most aspects of the motherboard a workout. The archives are best at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/ nvidia graphics chipsets have the best video performance under linux, if thats important to you. The drivers are proprietary though, if thats important to you.
Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
On Wed 24 Jun 2009 18:46:14 NZST +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote: Embedded Intel video cards have open source drivers but I haven't the first hand experience to talk about them because they cost a packet. Remember one thing: The existance of an open source driver says nothing about that driver's performance, stability, or quality. There have been a *lot* of issues regarding Intel graphics lately. Plus if you're into 3D performance, I don't think Intel's your friend. Intel makes graphics for business computers. Avoid the nVidia equivalents like the plague they are. They tend to just work. They tend to also be fast. And they are well supported by nVidia. And proprietory. ATI appears to be worse - lack of performance, features, and support. Also proprietory. Currently you can't have your cake and eat it. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
On Wed 24 Jun 2009 18:38:20 NZST +1200, Aidan Gauland wrote: Are there any motherboard manufacturers who usually make motherboards that work well with Linux, or any that Linux users should avoid? No there are not. All manufacturers make stuff which works, and all make stuff you don't want. To find out which is which, first look at the chips on the board. Chips without proper Linux support from their vendors don't work well no matter whos mobo they're on. Chips which are well supported tend to work, but even if all the chips are well supported, there is still plenty of opportunity for mobo vendors to stuff it up (buggy bios, tons of features for testosterone junkies without any regard things that actually matter). And drop your notion that all this (mobo, chips, ...) is vendor dependent. Every vendor makes paperweights as well as useful stuff. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Volker Kuhlmann list0...@paradise.net.nzwrote: And drop your notion that all this (mobo, chips, ...) is vendor dependent. Every vendor makes paperweights as well as useful stuff. They also make great doorstops. -- Kent
Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
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Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Robert Macdonaldrob...@tmail.com wrote: how do i put on abod e flash player on my computer Generally, just balancing it on top of the case works well, but be careful not to bump into it or it may fall off. -jim
Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
Jim Cheetham wrote, On 25/06/09 11:41: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Robert Macdonaldrob...@tmail.com wrote: how do i put on abod e flash player on my computer Generally, just balancing it on top of the case works well, but be careful not to bump into it or it may fall off. Use duct tape for a quick fix, or craft something out of brushed aluminium for a professional look. Depending on your dddistro you might want to use hot-formed perspex, or lizards (suse), or wood, or mud (ubuntu) -- Craig Falconer
Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
start a new message, not hijack one on a totally different subject, and provide a little more info, for example what distro are you using, what issue you are experiencing and what have you tried to resolve it? and before you send it, check your reply-to address, it is currently set to go to you only, not to the list email address. i suspect you may then actually get some serious responses, and be able to solve your problem. Cheers, Roger Robert Macdonald wrote: how do i put on abod e flash player on my computer -- Sent from my T-Mobile Sidekick®
Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
I assume Robert meant this for the list. If anyone can fathom what it menas, speak up! -- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Macdonald rob...@tmail.com Date: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux To: Nick Rout nick.r...@gmail.com dell moro soft dell -- Sent from my T-Mobile Sidekick®
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I guess he's using a phone or something, that is using handwriting to enter text. His computer is a dell, and its running Microsoft Windows. BTW its a dell. Headers in his original mail say X-Mailer: Danger Service Which doesn't mean much to me... I was expecting it to say Outlook Express or similar. So he's some random user on the internet machinegunning help me emails to whatever looks potentially helpful. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Nick Rout wrote, On 25/06/09 14:01: I assume Robert meant this for the list. If anyone can fathom what it menas, speak up! -- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Macdonald rob...@tmail.com Date: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux To: Nick Rout nick.r...@gmail.com dell moro soft dell -- Sent from my T-Mobile Sidekick® -- Craig Falconer
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Craig Falconercfalco...@totalteam.co.nz wrote: X-Mailer: Danger Service Looks like there's a ColdFusion application doing some sort of email to blog conversion for the T-Mobile sidekick phone, judging by conversation on http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-t...@houseoffusion.com/msg137550.html IIRC Robert has posted here in the past, but the message bodies were usually blank. Obviously the phone doesn't work too well. -jim
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2009/6/25 Craig Falconer cfalco...@totalteam.co.nz Headers in his original mail say X-Mailer: Danger Service Which doesn't mean much to me... I was expecting it to say Outlook Express or similar. Heh. Danger Service. Microsoft Outlook. Sounds about right...
