[LUTE] Re: Terzis hands
Dear Gary My experience with Terzi is largely based upon playing his duets, all of them. The accompanying parts are faithfull intabulations of vocal pieces, and an effort has been made by Terzi to get in every note of the vocal original, against all lute-practicalities like having only four fingers or not being able to strech them like spaghetti (your examples). It is my belief that these intabulations represent the ideal intabulations; even if we could finger those chords, we would never be able to hold all the notes needed to sustain the polyphony. They are like a pocket score or piano reduction of the original. When my duet partner and I were playing these piece, we each had a different approach to solve the impossibilities. My duet partner regared the accompaniments as harmonic progressions, so he simplified chords where needed and played them like proto-continuo parts. He ended up with parts that were a succession of playable chords with top and bottom voices the same as Terzi's. That's a very practical and straightforward approach. I had a more 16th century way of doing things: I traced all the polyphonic lines and tried to play these as faithfull as possible. Where that became impossible, I simplified the polyphony by leaving out a voice for some bars, or occasionally refingering sections into a different position where I could sustain more voices. In both approaches we had to adapt individual chord shapes of Terzi, and when we played the same parts, we came to quite different solutions. Also because our fingers are quite different; I cannot always play what he can, and the other way around. So for us the Terzi parts were like orhcestral scores we had to arrange to our own fingers and musical taste; we made our own lute reductions. David David van Ooijen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://www.davidvanooijen.nl - Original Message - From: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: [LUTE] Terzis hands Dear list; I've been reading through some G. A. Terzi. Either Terzi was endowed with some incredibly huge hands or he had a very small lute. How would one go about tackling the following: 7_ 2_ 5_ __ __ 3_ 1c=7 2c=2 3c=5 4c 5c 6c=3 7___ 3___ 0___ 7___ 1c=7 2c=3 3c=0 4c 5c 6c=7 Thank you. Gary Digman -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Terzis hands
On Feb 11, 2006, at 4:57 PM, gary digman wrote: Dear list; I've been reading through some G. A. Terzi. Either Terzi was endowed with some incredibly huge hands or he had a very small lute. How would one go about tackling the following: 7_ 2_ 5_ __ __ 3_ Bb D E D? Pretty jazzy. I'd like to see what comes before and after. Terzi is notorious. I heard that POD came up with a list of 20 impossible chords out of Terzi. As written, I can just barely get my fingers into this position on my A lute, so I deem it impossible for me to play in a musical context. Some players might play the top three courses with the fingers and the 6th with the thumb. Here are the same notes with courses 2 and 3 reversed. A lot more manageable. And if you have a 7th course tuned a tone lower than the 6th, you could play the low note at the 5th fret. 7_ 0_ 7_ __ __ 3_ 7___ 3___ 0___ 7___ At least I can reach this one on my A lute. It might be quite hard to land on depending on what comes before. Again would like to see the context. You could always play it as: 7___ 8___ 9___ 7___ or put the F down an octave 7___ 0___ 0___ 7___ I wonder if this was the equivalent of some kind of orchestral reduction, a way to represent all the notes for completeness sake. Do you have this in digital format? cheers, To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Best lute video ever
There wasn't any lute in there, was there? On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: A memorable performance: http://www.youtube.com/w/Boney-M---El-Lute?v=xjX2jgWvttUsearch=lute Enjoy! Rob Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Manuscrit Vaudry de Saizenay wanted
On Friday 10 February 2006 23:38, you wrote: For years now Minkoff is promising a reprint. I'm waiting, too, making do with fotocopies. David I've sent in september an email to Minkoff with a question on Saizenay and some other books. They are waiting for a new introduction from Claude Chauvel. So, it's ready between next month and 5 years. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Best lute video ever
Those were my thoughts. Where's the beef? Or in this case, where is the Lute? - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:03 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Best lute video ever There wasn't any lute in there, was there? On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: A memorable performance: http://www.youtube.com/w/Boney-M---El-Lute?v=xjX2jgWvttUsearch=lute Enjoy! Rob Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Instruction videos
Are there any good lute instruction videos out there demonstrating historically informed technique on the Renaissance lute? I think just watching someone with a well developed technique go through the motions would help a lot. I've tried to get Christopher Berg to do this but to no avail. You can go to his site at the U. of South Carolina, Columbia and hear him play Baroque and Ren lute. Murdick -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Instruction videos
I have 3 short videos on my lute file repository website that demonstrates technique by Ron Macfarlaine and Pat O'Brien It is at homepage.mac.com/dshoskes in the lute files section under Lute Technique Movies On Saturday, February 11, 2006, at 10:27AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any good lute instruction videos out there demonstrating historically informed technique on the Renaissance lute? I think just watching someone with a well developed technique go through the motions would help a lot. I've tried to get Christopher Berg to do this but to no avail. You can go to his site at the U. of South Carolina, Columbia and hear him play Baroque and Ren lute. Murdick -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Instruction videos
I noticed some short samples (with audio) of Ronn McFarlane at: [1]http://www.melbay.com/authors.asp?author=221 e.g. [2]http://www.melbay.com/video/20382V07.wmv [3]http://www.melbay.com/video/20382V08.wmv I bet some of his videos would be very helpful. BTW why hasn't anyone made some good videos of the workshops at the LSA festivals? To purchase through the LSA perhaps? The chances are slim to non that I'll ever make it to a festival. That's where the lute masters share their secrets. Best, David Daniel Shoskes wrote: I have 3 short videos on my lute file repository website that demonstrates tec hnique by Ron Macfarlaine and Pat O'Brien It is at homepage.mac.com/dshoskes in the lute files section under Lute Techni que Movies On Saturday, February 11, 2006, at 10:27AM, [4][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any good lute instruction videos out there demonstrating historically informed technique on the Renaissance lute? I think just watchi ng someone with a well developed technique go through the motions would help a lo t. I've tried to get Christopher Berg to do this but to no avail. You can go to his site at the U. of South Carolina, Columbia and hear him play Baroque and Ren lute. Murdick -- To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://www.melbay.com/authors.asp?author=221 2. http://www.melbay.com/video/20382V07.wmv 3. http://www.melbay.com/video/20382V08.wmv 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Best lute video ever
Erm...The song was all about a guy called El Lute...it was a joke. The lyrics are funny. Never mind. It doesn't matter...I'l always be serious from now on ;-) Rob -Original Message- From: Vance Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 February 2006 15:21 To: lute list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Best lute video ever Those were my thoughts. Where's the beef? Or in this case, where is the Lute? - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:03 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Best lute video ever There wasn't any lute in there, was there? On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: A memorable performance: http://www.youtube.com/w/Boney-M---El-Lute?v=xjX2jgWvttUsearch=lute Enjoy! Rob Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Instruction videos
David: Actually, there are a few short clips from the 2002 and 2003 Seminars on the LSA website. See the Instructional Materials section on the Downloads page. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/download/index.html#video These were provided by Kenneth Bé, taken with a pocket camera without sound capability. If anyone is willing to send me better material (free of copyright or licensing restrictions), I will gladly post it. Daniel Heiman On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:49:07 -0700 David Cassetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I noticed some short samples (with audio) of Ronn McFarlane at: [1]http://www.melbay.com/authors.asp?author=221 e.g. [2]http://www.melbay.com/video/20382V07.wmv [3]http://www.melbay.com/video/20382V08.wmv I bet some of his videos would be very helpful. BTW why hasn't anyone made some good videos of the workshops at the LSA festivals? To purchase through the LSA perhaps? The chances are slim to non that I'll ever make it to a festival. That's where the lute masters share their secrets. Best, David Daniel Shoskes wrote: I have 3 short videos on my lute file repository website that demonstrates tec hnique by Ron Macfarlaine and Pat O'Brien It is at homepage.mac.com/dshoskes in the lute files section under Lute Techni que Movies On Saturday, February 11, 2006, at 10:27AM, [4][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any good lute instruction videos out there demonstrating historically informed technique on the Renaissance lute? I think just watchi ng someone with a well developed technique go through the motions would help a lo t. I've tried to get Christopher Berg to do this but to no avail. You can go to his site at the U. of South Carolina, Columbia and hear him play Baroque and Ren lute. Murdick -- To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. http://www.melbay.com/authors.asp?author=221 2. http://www.melbay.com/video/20382V07.wmv 3. http://www.melbay.com/video/20382V08.wmv 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Best lute video ever
Never you mind. I enjoyed it. Brought back some memories form days gone by. :-) David - Original Message - From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'lute list' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Best lute video ever Erm...The song was all about a guy called El Lute...it was a joke. The lyrics are funny. Never mind. It doesn't matter...I'l always be serious from now on ;-) Rob -Original Message- From: Vance Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 February 2006 15:21 To: lute list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Best lute video ever Those were my thoughts. Where's the beef? Or in this case, where is the Lute? - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:03 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Best lute video ever There wasn't any lute in there, was there? On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: A memorable performance: http://www.youtube.com/w/Boney-M---El-Lute?v=xjX2jgWvttUsearch=lute Enjoy! Rob Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] surrogate lute
Hi - I am thinking that it would be nice to get a knock around instrument that I could leave at work or take in my car, that could stay outside its case a lot of the time, and that wouldn't break my hear or bankbook if it was damaged or stolen. I see that the Yamaha 3/4 size childs classical guitar has about the same string length as my lute, and I wonder if any of you have experience with this instrument or any others of its ilk? Could something like this be close enough in feel to a lute (though with single strings) to be worthwhile? I have had my heart set on a Hello Kitty electric guitar, but somehow that just doesn't seem practical.. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: surrogate lute
Hi Wayne, One of Colin Everett's Trave-lutes would most likely fit the bill. Miles On Feb 11, 2006, at 10:03 PM, Wayne Cripps wrote: Hi - I am thinking that it would be nice to get a knock around instrument that I could leave at work or take in my car, that could stay outside its case a lot of the time, and that wouldn't break my hear or bankbook if it was damaged or stolen. I see that the Yamaha 3/4 size childs classical guitar has about the same string length as my lute, and I wonder if any of you have experience with this instrument or any others of its ilk? Could something like this be close enough in feel to a lute (though with single strings) to be worthwhile? I have had my heart set on a Hello Kitty electric guitar, but somehow that just doesn't seem practical.. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
