[LUTE] Re: test | ignore

2006-02-16 Thread Arto Wikla
On Thu, 16 Feb 2006, Bernd Haegemann wrote:

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Fa la la laa la laa, fallal lal laa ;-)

Arto



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[LUTE] Oh, crumbs

2006-02-16 Thread Rob MacKillop
Small crumbs of info found about Mr Beck of the Balcarres manuscript. His
first name was John (not Jeff!), and the disputed concert in his arguement
with McLean was in Kennedy's Close (now lost), home to the earls of
Casillis. John tried to put on a concert, but it was argued in court that
only the council could organise concerts. John Beck won, and since that day
we have been able to stage our own unpaid lute concerts in Edinburgh! Well,
crumbs are better than nothing. Info from my esteemed colleaugue, Dr Jim
Porter.

Rob MacKillop
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[LUTE] Tropical Baroque Festival

2006-02-16 Thread choppedonions
Hello, lute list,

My baroque lute has been in Germany for repairs, and the builder is  
trying to get it back to me in Boston. He does not want to ship it  
FedEx or UPS due to past bad experiences. He knows someone attending  
the Tropical Baroque festival on March 6-17 (http:// 
www.miamibachsociety.org/baroquefestival.htm) who could bring the  
instrument from Germany to Miami. I am hoping that someone from the  
New England area who is planning to attend the festival might be  
willing to bring it back with them. Even getting it to New York  
(where I have some friends who could hold onto it) or somewhere in  
the region would help me a lot. If anyone might be willing, please  
let me know. I  have to inform the builder by Sunday, since that is  
when the person who could bring it from Germany is flying to Paris,  
and then on to Miami. Thanks to anyone who might be able to help.

Lyn Abissi
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[LUTE] Re: Jon Banks lute trios and early bass lutes

2006-02-16 Thread Michal Gondko
 I still can't quite believe this is genuinely lute music as opposed to
 music that is multiply realisable. There are many sustained notes,
 sometimes over two bars.
 It doesn't look like lute music.

I don't know Banks' work and his arguments (yet), but unless there is a firm
evidence that these specific pieces were performed on lutes, claims that
this is genuine music for a lute ensemble are overstatements. Indeed, this
music *could* have been performed by such an ensemble but also by any other
family of instruments (not to mention mixed groups) provided that ranges of
parts fit ranges available on the instruments. As far as I know there is a
consensus among scholars about 'portability' of much of this textless
repertoire of the late fifteenth century. I fail to see why Segovia pieces
would be specifically lute ensemble music but, again, I haven't read Banks
and maybe the answer and concrete evidence is there. Otherwise, one is
inevitably lead to suspect that it *needs* to be lute music because the
publication is addressed to a largely amateur lutenist market.





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[LUTE] not so many 6 course lutes?

2006-02-16 Thread Wayne Cripps


Hi lute people -

 So I am thinking that on my lutes for sale web page I have
not seen many 6 course lutes go by, and I am wondering why..
It could be because there aren't so many 6 course lutes out
there, which is a bit surprising given all the music for a
6 course instrument, or it could be that people get a 6 course
lute and keep it, because they are all so nice and easy to play..
(I am thinking about this because I am toying with the
idea of getting a 6 course lute myself.)

 In fact (or actually, in supposition) it seems to me that
more people try to move theorbos thananything else.. and again,
this could be because the idea of playing a theorbo is
more attractive than the reality, or it could be because
there are more theorbo players out there doing the baroque music
gigs than I realise..

 I wil have to look at my records and see if the numbers are aligned
with my suppositions.  But I would also like to know if you
folk have more knowlege of the statistics of lute sales
than I do, new or used. Or perhaps better theories.

Wayne



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[LUTE] Re: Jon Banks lute trios and early bass lutes

2006-02-16 Thread Sean Smith

Dear Stuart,

I also have this book and have been playing out of it w/ friends. He 
does cite reasons for why he thinks it is appropriate for lutes. But...

I'm not entirely sold on these were for lute trio either. Maybe I 
need to read more of his work on the subject. Some of the music is 
originally vocal although many sources are missing the texts which 
gives a strong hint to their instrumental use. Comparing sources of the 
first piece, Isaac's Benedictus, I don't see any variations from 
Isaac's original (beside the missing 4th part) that would suggest 
anything idiomatic for any particular instrument. But look at what we 
see when a lutenist like Spinacino intabulates it. Here is the first 
concrete evidence of the piece set for lute and the liberties he takes 
with it are many and varied: ficta, passaggi, texture. What it lacks in 
text it certainly repays in bold composition and character. If this 
piece as JB presents it were truly set for lutes I would expect some 
lutenistic idiom somewhere.

On the other hand, I played it the other day w/ lutes and it's 
delightful music. And yesterday I played it w/ lute, recorder and viol 
and all three of us equally enjoyed it. I played the bass voice mostly. 
If I played w/ a strong attack it held its own, I think. And the 
octaves only add to the texture. Every instrument  (and voice) has its 
own idiosyncracies -- the clickclack of the organ keys, rasp of the 
viol string, voice of the recorder, etc. This isn't a bug, it's a 
feature. As long as the fundamental note is there and confident all the 
rest is icing on the cake.

Btw, the pairing of the fundamental w/ the 8ve reminds me of the 
inclusion of both the bandora AND the cittern in the English consort. 
They make up one complete sound: the fundamental and the overtones that 
one generally hears on any instrument. W/ a modern wire wound string 
you magically get both; w/ a low, fat gut it lacks the overtones that 
the octave thankfully offers.

No, it doesn't look like the lute music we know but I do support the 
idea that the lute should be seen in a different perspective for this 
period. In a 15th century trio the lute is both versatile and 
expressive. A player w/ a 5 or 6 course lute could play at least any 
two single voices of a composition and would have been useful in 
consort (as well as part of a duo or a soloist and would probably have 
been expected to be all three).

The Odhecatons were an excellent minilibrary for any instrumental 
consort of the time. When we look at the trio by Mantegna (the picture 
on the Crawford Young/K-E Schroeder duo disc where the fiddler is 
curiously edited out) we see a perfect vehicle for most of this 
repertoire. And a singer singing the cantus with a luter on either side 
playing the tenor and countertenor works very effectively, too.

Learning to read mensural notation has been a bumpy learning curve and 
my next nightmare will be to read for the descant lute at pitch and 
then get all those sycopated rhythms going. (And then the recorder 
player brings out his Machaut book and my brain explodes!) I still 
can't read as smoothly as tab but it's coming along.

  all the best,
Sean Smith



On Feb 16, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote:

 I've just got a copy of the Lute Society's 'Music for Lute Consort
 .c.1500' edited by Jon Banks. Many thanks to
 the Lute Society for producing it.

 I like just about everything that Jon Banks said in his talk a few 
 years
 ago, as reported in the Lute Society's magazine.
 Yet although there's lots of evidence  - cited by many people - for
 professional lute duos c.1500 and earlier, Jon Banks
 appears to the only one claiming the existence of amateur lute trios.
 Whatever the matter, I'm sure it would be musically worthwhile
 playing this music on lutes. It will certainly be a challenge -  for 
 me,
 anyway.

 I got hold of some of the music that Jon Banks talked about; for
 example, the Odhecaton. In the modern edition of this,  the lowest part
 is  presented in the bass clef. In the Lute Society edition, the lowest
 part is always in the treble clef, an octave lower. A bit surprising.
 Maybe he thought  more people would be able to read that than the bass
 clef. Generally, I think this lowest part is going to give the most
 trouble - playing fast-moving lines on the lower strings.( And octave
 stringing seems quite intrusive.)

 It's great fun just trying to read through the individual parts. 
 Players
 of other single-line instruments like recorders probably have no 
 trouble
 with this music. But we lute players just aren't used to this sort of
 thing. For example the second part of  Byblis has eight bars of  minims
 (half notes) consistently off the beat. I find this almost impossible 
 to
 do.And when the other parts are going I think it will be even more
 difficult.

 I still can't quite believe this is genuinely lute music as opposed to
 music that is multiply realisable. There are many sustained notes,