Re: Sub-windows on top
On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 05:52:31PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: you get _nothing_ because we can't raise an iconified dialog. Mozilla does it. I have Gnome+Sawfish, but I think it's possible with any WM. -- "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet get the work done" -- Linus
Re: Sub-windows on top
Marcello Nuccio wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 05:52:31PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: you get _nothing_ because we can't raise an iconified dialog. Mozilla does it. I have Gnome+Sawfish, but I think it's possible with any WM. This depends on the used toolkit. Yes, you can raise and iconify every dialog shell from the application if you have access to the appropriate Xlib/Xt functions with the needed parameters. (Mozilla does this, I guess.) For example with the given shell widget: XtVaSetValues(shell, XtNiconic, False, NULL); XMapWindow(XtDisplay(shell), XtWindow(shell)); or XtVaSetValues(shell, XtNiconic, True, NULL); I don't know if XForms gives the programmer access to these shell widget or gives the needed functions. If you set your dialog to transient these all is builtin. Regards, Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED] | beusen Solutions GmbH fon: +49 30 549932-62| Landsberger Allee 366 fax: +49 30 549932-21| 12681 Berlin, Germany
Re: Sub-windows on top
"Stephan" == Stephan Witt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stephan Marcello Nuccio wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 05:52:31PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: you get _nothing_ because we can't raise an iconified dialog. Mozilla does it. I have Gnome+Sawfish, but I think it's possible with any WM. Stephan This depends on the used toolkit. Stephan Yes, you can raise and iconify every dialog shell from the Stephan application if you have access to the appropriate Xlib/Xt Stephan functions with the needed parameters. (Mozilla does this, I Stephan guess.) Stephan For example with the given shell widget: Stephan XtVaSetValues(shell, XtNiconic, False, NULL); Stephan XMapWindow(XtDisplay(shell), XtWindow(shell)); Since xforms does not rely on Xt, I presume this will not work. JMarc
Re: Sub-windows on top
On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 05:52:31PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: > you get _nothing_ because we can't raise an iconified dialog. Mozilla does it. I have Gnome+Sawfish, but I think it's possible with any WM. -- "Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet get the work done" -- Linus
Re: Sub-windows on top
Marcello Nuccio wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 05:52:31PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: > > > you get _nothing_ because we can't raise an iconified dialog. > > Mozilla does it. I have Gnome+Sawfish, but I think it's possible with > any WM. > This depends on the used toolkit. Yes, you can raise and iconify every dialog shell from the application if you have access to the appropriate Xlib/Xt functions with the needed parameters. (Mozilla does this, I guess.) For example with the given shell widget: XtVaSetValues(shell, XtNiconic, False, NULL); XMapWindow(XtDisplay(shell), XtWindow(shell)); or XtVaSetValues(shell, XtNiconic, True, NULL); I don't know if XForms gives the programmer access to these shell widget or gives the needed functions. If you set your dialog to transient these all is builtin. Regards, Stephan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | beusen Solutions GmbH fon: +49 30 549932-62| Landsberger Allee 366 fax: +49 30 549932-21| 12681 Berlin, Germany
Re: Sub-windows on top
> "Stephan" == Stephan Witt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Stephan> Marcello Nuccio wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 05:52:31PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote: >> >> > you get _nothing_ because we can't raise an iconified dialog. >> >> Mozilla does it. I have Gnome+Sawfish, but I think it's possible >> with any WM. >> Stephan> This depends on the used toolkit. Stephan> Yes, you can raise and iconify every dialog shell from the Stephan> application if you have access to the appropriate Xlib/Xt Stephan> functions with the needed parameters. (Mozilla does this, I Stephan> guess.) Stephan> For example with the given shell widget: Stephan> XtVaSetValues(shell, XtNiconic, False, NULL); Stephan> XMapWindow(XtDisplay(shell), XtWindow(shell)); Since xforms does not rely on Xt, I presume this will not work. JMarc
Sub-windows on top
Hi ! In lyx 1.1.6, all sub-windows (e.g., latex-preamble, math-panel, characters-layout ...) are on top of the main LyX window. However, this was not the case in previous version and I prefered it before. Is it possible to go back to the previous version (secondary windows NOT on top of the main one) ? Thanks, Nicolas Sabouret (PS: I read about this in lyx-user, but I couldn't find any "we're working on it" answer. Therefor, I report this as a bug ...)
Re: Sub-windows on top
On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Nicolas SABOURET wrote: Hi ! In lyx 1.1.6, all sub-windows (e.g., latex-preamble, math-panel, characters-layout ...) are on top of the main LyX window. However, this was not the case in previous version and I prefered it before. Is it possible to go back to the previous version (secondary windows NOT on top of the main one) ? I agree, it's infuriating to have to move the dialogs out of the way. (PS: I read about this in lyx-user, but I couldn't find any "we're working on it" answer. Therefor, I report this as a bug ...) This is probably because Angus is away, and I think this change is a result of some of his cleanups. I expect he'll get back to you soon. thanks john -- "Paranoids are people, too; they have their own problems. It's easy to criticize, but if everybody hated you, you'd be paranoid too." - D.J. Hicks
Re: Sub-windows on top
On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, John Levon wrote: On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Nicolas SABOURET wrote: Hi ! In lyx 1.1.6, all sub-windows (e.g., latex-preamble, math-panel, characters-layout ...) are on top of the main LyX window. However, this was not the case in previous version and I prefered it before. Is it possible to go back to the previous version (secondary windows NOT on top of the main one) ? I agree, it's infuriating to have to move the dialogs out of the way. The GUII xforms dialogs are all now TRANSIENT dialogs so your window manager will decide what happens with them. Window Maker for example keeps transient dialogs above the main window. Yes, I know this is a bit annoying (I too use Window Maker) however we have a problem with xforms in that we can't raise an iconified form (Angus has other reasons he wants them left as transient) so by marking them as TRANSIENT they can't be iconified but your window manager may make you angry. (PS: I read about this in lyx-user, but I couldn't find any "we're working on it" answer. Therefor, I report this as a bug ...) This is probably because Angus is away, and I think this change is a result of some of his cleanups. I expect he'll get back to you soon. Not really a bug. An indirect result of a combination of your window managers policy and our desire to workaround an annoying xforms bug. Allan. (ARRae)
Re: Sub-windows on top
Allan Rae wrote: The GUII xforms dialogs are all now TRANSIENT dialogs so your window manager will decide what happens with them. Window Maker for example keeps transient dialogs above the main window. Well, the thing is, I use E at work and fvwm at home, and I have this problem on both !! :) Moreover, I guess that most (if not all) wm keep their transients on top (it seems quite logical to me, since "transient" is transient :P) My first remark is that it'd be a great idea to report this bug to xforms :) The second one is that in previous versions, there was no transient (was there ?) and it seemed perfect to me. I could even iconify and de-iconify them ! Well, anyway, let's add it to the wish-list... And thanks again for all the work you did: it's really more and more great. Nicolas.
Re: Sub-windows on top
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Nicolas SABOURET wrote: Allan Rae wrote: The GUII xforms dialogs are all now TRANSIENT dialogs so your window manager will decide what happens with them. Window Maker for example keeps transient dialogs above the main window. Well, the thing is, I use E at work and fvwm at home, and I have this problem on both !! :) Moreover, I guess that most (if not all) wm keep their transients on top (it seems quite logical to me, since "transient" is transient :P) Well, I use Window Maker at both and it is only mildly annoying for me. My first remark is that it'd be a great idea to report this bug to xforms :) Done. The second one is that in previous versions, there was no transient (was there ?) and it seemed perfect to me. I could even iconify and de-iconify them ! Yes, but LyX couldn't de-iconify them then or now. So when you iconify a dialog and then try to use the accelerator keys to popup the dialog again you get _nothing_ because we can't raise an iconified dialog. I can't remember the other issues that Angus had made him want transients but I left it as his call for when we switch from transients back to lightly decorated. Well, anyway, let's add it to the wish-list... And thanks again for all the work you did: it's really more and more great. It's a pleasure to serve. Allan. (ARRae)
Sub-windows on top
Hi ! In lyx 1.1.6, all sub-windows (e.g., latex-preamble, math-panel, characters-layout ...) are on top of the main LyX window. However, this was not the case in previous version and I prefered it before. Is it possible to go back to the previous version (secondary windows NOT on top of the main one) ? Thanks, Nicolas Sabouret (PS: I read about this in lyx-user, but I couldn't find any "we're working on it" answer. Therefor, I report this as a bug ...)
Re: Sub-windows on top
On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Nicolas SABOURET wrote: > Hi ! > > In lyx 1.1.6, all sub-windows (e.g., latex-preamble, math-panel, > characters-layout ...) are on top of the main LyX window. However, this > was not the case in previous version and I prefered it before. > > Is it possible to go back to the previous version (secondary windows NOT > on top of the main one) ? > I agree, it's infuriating to have to move the dialogs out of the way. > (PS: I read about this in lyx-user, but I couldn't find any "we're > working on it" answer. Therefor, I report this as a bug ...) This is probably because Angus is away, and I think this change is a result of some of his cleanups. I expect he'll get back to you soon. thanks john -- "Paranoids are people, too; they have their own problems. It's easy to criticize, but if everybody hated you, you'd be paranoid too." - D.J. Hicks
Re: Sub-windows on top
On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, John Levon wrote: > On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Nicolas SABOURET wrote: > > > Hi ! > > > > In lyx 1.1.6, all sub-windows (e.g., latex-preamble, math-panel, > > characters-layout ...) are on top of the main LyX window. However, this > > was not the case in previous version and I prefered it before. > > > > Is it possible to go back to the previous version (secondary windows NOT > > on top of the main one) ? > > > > I agree, it's infuriating to have to move the dialogs out of the way. The GUII xforms dialogs are all now TRANSIENT dialogs so your window manager will decide what happens with them. Window Maker for example keeps transient dialogs above the main window. Yes, I know this is a bit annoying (I too use Window Maker) however we have a problem with xforms in that we can't raise an iconified form (Angus has other reasons he wants them left as transient) so by marking them as TRANSIENT they can't be iconified but your window manager may make you angry. > > (PS: I read about this in lyx-user, but I couldn't find any "we're > > working on it" answer. Therefor, I report this as a bug ...) > > This is probably because Angus is away, and I think this change is a > result of some of his cleanups. I expect he'll get back to you soon. Not really a bug. An indirect result of a combination of your window managers policy and our desire to workaround an annoying xforms bug. Allan. (ARRae)
Re: Sub-windows on top
Allan Rae wrote: > > The GUII xforms dialogs are all now TRANSIENT dialogs so your window > manager will decide what happens with them. Window Maker for example > keeps transient dialogs above the main window. > Well, the thing is, I use E at work and fvwm at home, and I have this problem on both !! :) Moreover, I guess that most (if not all) wm keep their transients on top (it seems quite logical to me, since "transient" is transient :P) My first remark is that it'd be a great idea to report this bug to xforms :) The second one is that in previous versions, there was no transient (was there ?) and it seemed perfect to me. I could even iconify and de-iconify them ! Well, anyway, let's add it to the wish-list... And thanks again for all the work you did: it's really more and more great. Nicolas.
Re: Sub-windows on top
On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Nicolas SABOURET wrote: > Allan Rae wrote: > > > > The GUII xforms dialogs are all now TRANSIENT dialogs so your window > > manager will decide what happens with them. Window Maker for example > > keeps transient dialogs above the main window. > > > > Well, the thing is, I use E at work and fvwm at home, and I have this > problem on both !! :) > Moreover, I guess that most (if not all) wm keep their transients on top > (it seems quite logical to me, since "transient" is transient :P) Well, I use Window Maker at both and it is only mildly annoying for me. > My first remark is that it'd be a great idea to report this bug to > xforms :) Done. > The second one is that in previous versions, there was no transient (was > there ?) and it seemed perfect to me. I could even iconify and > de-iconify them ! Yes, but LyX couldn't de-iconify them then or now. So when you iconify a dialog and then try to use the accelerator keys to popup the dialog again you get _nothing_ because we can't raise an iconified dialog. I can't remember the other issues that Angus had made him want transients but I left it as his call for when we switch from transients back to lightly decorated. > Well, anyway, let's add it to the wish-list... > > And thanks again for all the work you did: it's really more and more > great. It's a pleasure to serve. Allan. (ARRae)
