Re: New CC Book about LyX (PDF)

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 02:54:21PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

> But if you're asking me to report the inadequacies of LyX' html and
> xhtml exports for the purpose of ePub,

Yes, that was what I was asking. I've found that if we make a trac
ticket with a minimal example, it might not receive attenion at the
time, but there's a higher chance that it will be fixed.

> I've done my time. And nobody
> cared. And I've moved on.

I'm really sorry for all the frustration you've been through on this
topic.

Scott


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Re: Option for displaying equation labels less obstrusively?

[John Kane]

Try the ShortInsetNames module. I have never used it with equations but it
works well with Chapter and Section names, tables and figures.

Insert the Short label  from Custom Inserts and then insert the label.
Repeat procedure with Short Ref + label to have a short label in the text
or wherever

Thanks Andrew.

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 17:58, Joel Kulesza  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:36 PM Klaus-Dieter Bauer <
> bauer.klaus.die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> As it is currently implemented, equation labels are displayed as part of
>> the equation number in LyX's editor. Sadly, for longer, semantically
>> meaningful label names (e.g. "eq:maxwell-equations-in-vacuum"), this throws
>> off the formatting in the editor buffer: Instead of centering the equation,
>> the combination of label and equation is centered. A similar problem
>> occurs, when left-aligned equations with left-aligned numbering are used.
>>
>> Is there some setting in LyX, that allows getting better alignment,
>> without sacrifizing the ability to use long label names?
>>
>> - Klaus
>>
>
> I do not know of such a method, but would be thrilled if such were created
> (or explained).  I wonder if mouseover tooltips could be used here...
>
> - Joel
>
>


-- 
John Kane
Kingston ON Canada

Re: New CC Book about LyX (PDF)

[John Kane]

Lovely book. I am up to about page 53 and it has remind me of things I have
forgotten and taught me a number of new things.

I second Steve Litt's comment about the language. Very easy to read and
does not--at least so far need any English editing. It would be nice if 90%
of the native English speakers I know wrote as well.

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:54, Steve Litt  wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 11:19:05 -0400
> Scott Kostyshak  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 03:59:44AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > > but LyX' html and xhtml exporters
> > > export pidgeon xhtml and html that requires all sorts of human
> > > intervention and garbage removal.
> >
> > Have you reported bugs for this or are all of the bugs covered by
> > existing reports? LyX HTML export is slowly improving, especially when
> > bugs with minimal examples are reported.
>
> I reported them on this list, many, many times, and was shouted down as
> people priortized just-right rendering of Apple Retina Displays over
> any sane way of LyX authoring 21st century flowing text books (ePub,
> for instance) without repeated human intervention.
>
> I was told that the xhtml and html export mechanisms were "just fine"
> for ePub. They use different styles for the first paragraph after a
> heading, for gosh sakes. They almost completely converted styles to
> inline appearance codes so I couldn't customize my ePubs via CSS. The
> HTML they put out wasn't WYSIWYM, it was 100% pure fingerpainting. The
> files were therefore HUGE.
>
> Understanding that xhtml/html exports would never be adequate for ePub,
> I begged for the transition of LyX's language to well-formed XML to be
> completed so I could write my own LyX to ePub converter. No. Too much
> work.
>
> After years of begging and pleading, I created Stylz to author both PDF
> and ePub. I am writing two different books written in Stylz.
> It's not easy for one developer to develop an authoring tool and write
> books at the same time, but I'm doing it. Stylz already renders HTML
> beautifully, does ePub pretty darn well, but its rendering in PDF is
> defective and needs several repairs.
>
> I had given up on LyX, because it's important I be able to have one
> document render both PDF and *high quality* ePub, without human
> intervention. If lwarp can *correctly and semantically* export LyX to
> HTML5 *as XML*, I might write the HTML5 to ePub converter and return to
> the LyX fold.
>
> But if you're asking me to report the inadequacies of LyX' html and
> xhtml exports for the purpose of ePub, I've done my time. And nobody
> cared. And I've moved on.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz
>


-- 
John Kane
Kingston ON Canada

Re: New CC Book about LyX (PDF)

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Ricardo,

the guy doinglwarp is q uite nice and answers his email :-)-O

el

On 2018-10-03 10:19 , Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> El mié., 3 oct. 2018 a las 10:00, Steve Litt () 
> escribió:
> 
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 08:57:47 +0200
> Ricardo Berlasso mailto:rgb.m...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> > El mié., 3 oct. 2018 a las 1:55, Dr Eberhard Lisse
> (mailto:nos...@lisse.na>>)
> > escribió:
> >
> > > Ricardo,
> > >
> > > have you tried to use lwarp on this to make a Kindle out of this?
> > > 
> >
> > I did not know about that package. Really interesting! Now I need to
> > explore it!
[...]

Re: Option for displaying equation labels less obstrusively?

[Joel Kulesza]

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:36 PM Klaus-Dieter Bauer <
bauer.klaus.die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> As it is currently implemented, equation labels are displayed as part of
> the equation number in LyX's editor. Sadly, for longer, semantically
> meaningful label names (e.g. "eq:maxwell-equations-in-vacuum"), this throws
> off the formatting in the editor buffer: Instead of centering the equation,
> the combination of label and equation is centered. A similar problem
> occurs, when left-aligned equations with left-aligned numbering are used.
>
> Is there some setting in LyX, that allows getting better alignment,
> without sacrifizing the ability to use long label names?
>
> - Klaus
>

I do not know of such a method, but would be thrilled if such were created
(or explained).  I wonder if mouseover tooltips could be used here...

- Joel

Option for displaying equation labels less obstrusively?

[Klaus-Dieter Bauer]

Hello!

As it is currently implemented, equation labels are displayed as part of
the equation number in LyX's editor. Sadly, for longer, semantically
meaningful label names (e.g. "eq:maxwell-equations-in-vacuum"), this throws
off the formatting in the editor buffer: Instead of centering the equation,
the combination of label and equation is centered. A similar problem
occurs, when left-aligned equations with left-aligned numbering are used.


Screenshot (if not displayed inline: https://imgur.com/a/Y1rDmgE)
Made in full-screen mode with limited text-width.

Is there some setting in LyX, that allows getting better alignment, without
sacrifizing the ability to use long label names?

- Klaus

Re: New CC Book about LyX (PDF)

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 11:19:05 -0400
Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 03:59:44AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> > but LyX' html and xhtml exporters
> > export pidgeon xhtml and html that requires all sorts of human
> > intervention and garbage removal.  
> 
> Have you reported bugs for this or are all of the bugs covered by
> existing reports? LyX HTML export is slowly improving, especially when
> bugs with minimal examples are reported.

I reported them on this list, many, many times, and was shouted down as
people priortized just-right rendering of Apple Retina Displays over
any sane way of LyX authoring 21st century flowing text books (ePub,
for instance) without repeated human intervention.

I was told that the xhtml and html export mechanisms were "just fine"
for ePub. They use different styles for the first paragraph after a
heading, for gosh sakes. They almost completely converted styles to
inline appearance codes so I couldn't customize my ePubs via CSS. The
HTML they put out wasn't WYSIWYM, it was 100% pure fingerpainting. The
files were therefore HUGE.

Understanding that xhtml/html exports would never be adequate for ePub,
I begged for the transition of LyX's language to well-formed XML to be
completed so I could write my own LyX to ePub converter. No. Too much
work.

After years of begging and pleading, I created Stylz to author both PDF
and ePub. I am writing two different books written in Stylz.
It's not easy for one developer to develop an authoring tool and write
books at the same time, but I'm doing it. Stylz already renders HTML
beautifully, does ePub pretty darn well, but its rendering in PDF is
defective and needs several repairs.

I had given up on LyX, because it's important I be able to have one
document render both PDF and *high quality* ePub, without human
intervention. If lwarp can *correctly and semantically* export LyX to
HTML5 *as XML*, I might write the HTML5 to ePub converter and return to
the LyX fold.

But if you're asking me to report the inadequacies of LyX' html and
xhtml exports for the purpose of ePub, I've done my time. And nobody
cared. And I've moved on.
 
SteveT

Steve Litt 
September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business
http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz

Hello Problems

[Baris Erkus]

[cid:part1.958945FA.4F148972@hotmail.com]

I will see if it causes any problems with my LyX 2.3.1-1.

Re: New CC Book about LyX (PDF)

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 03:59:44AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

> but LyX' html and xhtml exporters
> export pidgeon xhtml and html that requires all sorts of human
> intervention and garbage removal.

Have you reported bugs for this or are all of the bugs covered by
existing reports? LyX HTML export is slowly improving, especially when
bugs with minimal examples are reported.

Best,

Scott


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Re: New CC Book about LyX (PDF)

[Ricardo Berlasso]

El mié., 3 oct. 2018 a las 10:00, Steve Litt ()
escribió:

> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 08:57:47 +0200
> Ricardo Berlasso  wrote:
>
> > El mié., 3 oct. 2018 a las 1:55, Dr Eberhard Lisse ()
> > escribió:
> >
> > > Ricardo,
> > >
> > > have you tried to use lwarp on this to make a Kindle out of this?
> > >
> >
> > I did not know about that package. Really interesting! Now I need to
> > explore it!
>
> Ricardo,
>
> Please keep us all apprised of your work using lwarp to convert
> LyX-derived LaTeX to ePub (and then to Kindle if required). I don't
> have a whole lot of time but I might be able to help. I once built a
> LyX-derived xhtml to ePub converter, but LyX' html and xhtml exporters
> export pidgeon xhtml and html that requires all sorts of human
> intervention and garbage removal. They convert styles to appearances
> way too early.
>
> I have a fairly complete Stylz to ePub converter that works pretty well.
>
> So if lwarp's special ePub version of HTML is semantically sound, this
> might be a possibility. See chapter 10 of
>
> http://ctan.math.washington.edu/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/lwarp/lwarp.pdf


Thanks, Steve! I'll do! But it will take time, something I'm pretty short
of now. The 1000 pages of the lwarp manual are quite intimidating...

Regards,
Ricardo



>
>
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz
>

Re: New CC Book about LyX (PDF)

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 08:57:47 +0200
Ricardo Berlasso  wrote:

> El mié., 3 oct. 2018 a las 1:55, Dr Eberhard Lisse ()
> escribió:
> 
> > Ricardo,
> >
> > have you tried to use lwarp on this to make a Kindle out of this?
> >  
> 
> I did not know about that package. Really interesting! Now I need to
> explore it!

Ricardo,

Please keep us all apprised of your work using lwarp to convert
LyX-derived LaTeX to ePub (and then to Kindle if required). I don't
have a whole lot of time but I might be able to help. I once built a
LyX-derived xhtml to ePub converter, but LyX' html and xhtml exporters
export pidgeon xhtml and html that requires all sorts of human
intervention and garbage removal. They convert styles to appearances
way too early.

I have a fairly complete Stylz to ePub converter that works pretty well.

So if lwarp's special ePub version of HTML is semantically sound, this
might be a possibility. See chapter 10 of
http://ctan.math.washington.edu/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/lwarp/lwarp.pdf

 
SteveT

Steve Litt 
September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business
http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz

Re: Fwd: New CC Book about LyX (PDF)

[Ricardo Berlasso]

El mié., 3 oct. 2018 a las 1:55, Dr Eberhard Lisse ()
escribió:

> Ricardo,
>
> have you tried to use lwarp on this to make a Kindle out of this?
>

I did not know about that package. Really interesting! Now I need to
explore it!


>
> el
>
> On 2018-10-02 22:52 , Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
> >
> > [I forgot to add the list. I'm still in low caffeine levels, it seems]
> > (Top posting)
> >
> > Many thanks, Pavel and Steve! It was a challenge for me to translate the
> > book, and now I'm happy I've done it! Next week I'll have more time to
> > fix those points and update everything. Thank you so much for your kind
> > comments!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ricardo
> >
> >
> >
> > El mar., 2 oct. 2018 a las 20:24, Steve Litt ( > >) escribió:
> >
> > On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 21:09:24 +0200
> > Ricardo Berlasso mailto:rgb.m...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, list!
> > >
> > > I've finally translated my book about LyX, XeTeX and OpenType to
> > > (something similar to) English. I'm not a native English speaker,
> so
> > > be aware that there will be grammar errors! Lots of them!
> > >
> > > If you find something that need correction, please let me know! I
> > > hope you enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it.
> > >
> > > Announcement:
> > >
> >
> https://frommindtotype.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/announcement-lyx-the-other-way-of-writing/
> > >
> > > Project Page:
> > > https://frommindtotype.wordpress.com/lyx-book/
> >
> > Very, very nice! I wish this book had been available in 2001 --- it
> > would have made my entry into LyX much easier. Today, I know
> > everything, having written 8 books in LyX, so I don't need to read
> your
> > book.
> >
> > Well, except for the entirety of your Chapter 8, which today I know
> > nothing about, but in a few days will be an expert in thanks to your
> > book. And 4.1.4, Math, which will improve my very shaky LyX math
> > skills. And OpenType, which I didn't know existed until skimming your
> > book.
> >
> > The book is aesthetically beautiful, something I usually don't care
> > about. But in the case of your book, it proves you eat your own dog
> > food (American idiom for using what you claim authority over), and do
> > it well.
> >
> > Speaking of American idioms, the fact that you're a non-native
> English
> > speaker was almost impossible to detect. In no place did I find text
> > that was ambiguous, unclear, or not understandable. The very few
> places
> > where your non-English origins showed through made the book more
> > interesting and kept me on my toes, so I didn't start skipping over
> > huge sections of text. I'd recommend you not try to Anglicize the
> book
> > further: It's very readable to a monolingual American, and I'd
> imagine
> > Brits and Aussies and Canadians and New Zealanders and South Africans
> > and Liberians and people from Belize would have the same opinion.
> >
> > The book's layout and organization make it appropriate for those new
> to
> > LyX to read straight through, while LyX cognoscenti can skip around
> to
> > grab what they haven't learned yet.
> >
> > N I C E   B O O K !
> >
> > =
> > NOTE: I give you permission to use any or all parts of this email
> > in the marketing of this book. I have not been given any payment or
> > consideration to write my opinions.
> > =
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> > Steve Litt
> > September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own
> Business
> > http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz
> >
>

Re: Beamer/Covington conflict

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Di., 2. Okt. 2018 um 21:01 Uhr schrieb Maria Gouskova :

> Thanks, Juergen! I upgraded covington to the newer version, and now Beamer
> works well, but Beamer-Article still throws an error...
>

I see. The problem here is that covington is loaded before beamerarticle
whereas it should be loaded after that. I have to think about a solution
(it's difficult).

Jürgen