Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 10:06:13PM +0200, Stephan Witt wrote:
> Am 30.07.2017 um 19:45 schrieb Uwe Stöhr :
> > 
> > El 29.07.2017 a las 23:47, Scott Kostyshak escribió:
> > 
> >> Agreed. Hopefully we can get more in the future.
> > 
> > As on no OS people are using 100% and as 120% was the reported the minimal 
> > used zoom level, I again vote to make the new 100% the current 120%.
> 
> How do you want to achieve this? I’m not so confident it’s good to change the 
> current computation of screen zoom.

> Every preference saved to disk would be „invalid“ after a change.

Couldn't we (in theory) fix it with prefs2prefs?

> I’m not against a decision what the best default zoom level is.

I agree that for 2.3.0 it would be better to consider changing the
default zoom instead of changing what 100% means.

I do find it a little strange that the default is not 100%, but not
strange enough that I think we should spend time on it for 2.3.0.

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Stephan Witt]

Am 30.07.2017 um 19:45 schrieb Uwe Stöhr :
> 
> El 29.07.2017 a las 23:47, Scott Kostyshak escribió:
> 
>> Agreed. Hopefully we can get more in the future.
> 
> As on no OS people are using 100% and as 120% was the reported the minimal 
> used zoom level, I again vote to make the new 100% the current 120%.

How do you want to achieve this? I’m not so confident it’s good to change the 
current computation of screen zoom. Every preference saved to disk would be 
„invalid“ after a change.

I’m not against a decision what the best default zoom level is.

Stephan

> 
> I opened an enhancement accordingly:
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/10737
> 
> (For the records: on Manjaro Linux KDE I have set 150% zoom.)
> 
> regards Uwe

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Uwe Stöhr]

El 29.07.2017 a las 23:47, Scott Kostyshak escribió:


Agreed. Hopefully we can get more in the future.


As on no OS people are using 100% and as 120% was the reported the 
minimal used zoom level, I again vote to make the new 100% the current 120%.


I opened an enhancement accordingly:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/10737

(For the records: on Manjaro Linux KDE I have set 150% zoom.)

regards Uwe

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:17:44PM +0200, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> El 26.07.2017 a las 08:54, Scott Kostyshak escribió:
> 
> > I see. We took a poll of users and got that the average preference is
> > larger than 120. See:
> > 
> >  
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid=20170606202640.45nziu2txu6dohek%40steph
> 
> 4 Win users is not a representative survey.

Agreed. Hopefully we can get more in the future.

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Uwe Stöhr]

El 26.07.2017 a las 08:54, Scott Kostyshak escribió:


I see. We took a poll of users and got that the average preference is
larger than 120. See:

 
https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid=20170606202640.45nziu2txu6dohek%40steph


4 Win users is not a representative survey. However, it is impossible to 
set a value that suits all different resolutions for different monitor 
sizes.
Still on all PCs I have access to 120 is a sensible value. Note that 
there is also the aspect that different users on the same PC prefer 
different sizes. For example I share one of the PCs at work with a 
colleague. I use Windows' 100% system font zoom while he prefers 125% 
system font zoom. That is much too big in my opinion but well, everybody 
is free to set what he wants. I wrote how easy it is to set the zoom.



Do you have any thoughts on increasing the default?


It seems that this would be sensible as nobody uses 100% but always 
larger values, I think making the current 120% to the new 100% makes sense.


regards Uwe

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 12:11:48AM +0200, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> El 25.07.2017 a las 20:49, Scott Kostyshak escribió:
> 
> > > > In windows the default is 120.
> 
> Yes, because that fits for the most Windows versions I had access to to
> test.

I see. We took a poll of users and got that the average preference is
larger than 120. See:


https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid=20170606202640.45nziu2txu6dohek%40steph

Do you have any thoughts on increasing the default?

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 26/07/2017 10:11 a.m., Uwe Stöhr wrote:

El 25.07.2017 a las 20:49, Scott Kostyshak escribió:


In windows the default is 120.


Yes, because that fits for the most Windows versions I had access to to
test. You can change it easily:

- either use Ctrl + Mouse wheel for the current LyX session
- or change the value in the LyX preferences in the section
  Look -> Screen Fonts.


(I renamed my personal LyX2.3 folder so that

LyX had to create a fresh one.


This is my comment (AP).



Why?


So that LyX would create a new folder with default settings (in order to 
see what the default windows zoom is), as you note below. But my own 
preference settings were still available in the renamed folder.


Andrew


If you want to delete all your personal settings, just close LyX, delete
this folder and then restart LyX. LyX will recreate the folder with
default settings.

regards Uwe



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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Uwe Stöhr]

El 25.07.2017 a las 20:49, Scott Kostyshak escribió:


In windows the default is 120.


Yes, because that fits for the most Windows versions I had access to to 
test. You can change it easily:


- either use Ctrl + Mouse wheel for the current LyX session
- or change the value in the LyX preferences in the section
  Look -> Screen Fonts.


(I renamed my personal LyX2.3 folder so that

LyX had to create a fresh one.


Why?
If you want to delete all your personal settings, just close LyX, delete 
this folder and then restart LyX. LyX will recreate the folder with 
default settings.


regards Uwe

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 09:29:15AM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 05:43:38PM +1200, Andrew Parsloe wrote:
> 
> > In windows the default is 120. (I renamed my personal LyX2.3 folder so that
> > LyX had to create a fresh one. This is the value that results.) In fact I'm
> > trying 150 (having previously used 130). It's certainly easier on my aging
> > eyes.
> 
> Ah indeed. In case anyone is curious this is set here:
> 
> development/Win32/packaging/installer/setup/configure.nsh
> 
> The 120 was introduced at d964457d.
> 
> Uwe, why do we use a different preference for \screen_zoom on Windows
> than the global default of 150?

Bump for Uwe now that he has more time.

Scott

[jan.anna...@uantwerpen.be: Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences]

[Scott Kostyshak]

Jan gave his permission for me to make his preferences file public.

Scott
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Hi Scott
Here is my preference file (Mac OS 10.10.5, Lyx 2.2.0).

HTH,

Jan

From: "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org" <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> on behalf of Scott 
Kostyshak <skost...@lyx.org>
Date: Thursday 1 June 2017 22:07
To: "lyx-users@lists.lyx.org" <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
Subject: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

Dear all,

There are many different preferences that the user can customize. It is
difficult to think about what is the best default preferences for the
most amount of users. One way I've thought of to get an idea of this is
to start collecting user's preferences. If we see that a lot of users
have changed a certain preference, we might think about changing the
default. Of course, for you this won't make much of a difference since
you have that setting set anyway. But it could make a difference for the
out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users.

Just to set realistic expectations, I would say that the chance of us
changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for example, [1], for
why this is complicated). In order to tak a rist, we need to have a lot
of evidence about the average user; and since you are on a LyX mailing
list that means you are not an average user in my opinion :).

Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are:

  screen zoom
  continuous spellcheck
  math preview

Before posting, please check your preferences file manually for any
information that you prefer not to be made public.

Your preferences are in a file called "preferences", stored in your user
directory. To locate your user directory, see Help > About (I think on
Mac this is LyX > About?). If you go to your user directory and there is
no "preferences" file, that means that you have not changed any of the
defaults. I still want to know in this case. If you could just respond
"default", then that would be helpful.

Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This
is important because it is possible to have different default
preferences on different platforms.

Attached is my preferences file.

Scott


[1] 
https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid=CAO7dr0isQTesZ9cJeobrA0vYFr3ctUMA-JWTPDx677tjz286Ew%40mail.gmail.com



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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 05:43:38PM +1200, Andrew Parsloe wrote:

> In windows the default is 120. (I renamed my personal LyX2.3 folder so that
> LyX had to create a fresh one. This is the value that results.) In fact I'm
> trying 150 (having previously used 130). It's certainly easier on my aging
> eyes.

Ah indeed. In case anyone is curious this is set here:

development/Win32/packaging/installer/setup/configure.nsh

The 120 was introduced at d964457d.

Uwe, why do we use a different preference for \screen_zoom on Windows
than the global default of 150?

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 7/06/2017 8:26 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 08:02:26PM +, Steve Burnham wrote:


I hope it's not too late to contribute my preferences file.


It is not, thank you!


The one
default I am surprised by is the screen zoom/font size. I set my zoom to
200%. It's just far too small by default. I'm not that old either (31) and
do have good vision.


Taking a quick look at what we have so far:

linux/subaochen:\screen_zoom 215
linux/john:\screen_zoom 135
linux/rich:\screen_zoom 115
linux/charlie.txt:\screen_zoom 126
linux/guillaume:\screen_zoom 170
windows/andrew:\screen_zoom 130
windows/steve:\screen_zoom 200
windows/cris:\screen_zoom 200
windows/john:\screen_zoom 130

The average of the above values is 158.

The default is 150. I'm not convinced there's enough evidence to change
the default.

Scott

In windows the default is 120. (I renamed my personal LyX2.3 folder so 
that LyX had to create a fresh one. This is the value that results.) In 
fact I'm trying 150 (having previously used 130). It's certainly easier 
on my aging eyes.


Andrew

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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Charlie]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 16:26:40 -0400
Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 08:02:26PM +, Steve Burnham wrote:
> 
> > I hope it's not too late to contribute my preferences file.  
> 
> It is not, thank you!
> 
> > The one
> > default I am surprised by is the screen zoom/font size. I set my
> > zoom to 200%. It's just far too small by default. I'm not that old
> > either (31) and do have good vision.  
> 
> Taking a quick look at what we have so far:
> 
> linux/subaochen:\screen_zoom 215
> linux/john:\screen_zoom 135
> linux/rich:\screen_zoom 115
> linux/charlie.txt:\screen_zoom 126
> linux/guillaume:\screen_zoom 170
> windows/andrew:\screen_zoom 130
> windows/steve:\screen_zoom 200
> windows/cris:\screen_zoom 200
> windows/john:\screen_zoom 130
> 
> The average of the above values is 158.
> 
> The default is 150. I'm not convinced there's enough evidence to
> change the default.
> 
> Scott

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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 08:02:26PM +, Steve Burnham wrote:

> I hope it's not too late to contribute my preferences file.

It is not, thank you!

> The one
> default I am surprised by is the screen zoom/font size. I set my zoom to
> 200%. It's just far too small by default. I'm not that old either (31) and
> do have good vision.

Taking a quick look at what we have so far:

linux/subaochen:\screen_zoom 215
linux/john:\screen_zoom 135
linux/rich:\screen_zoom 115
linux/charlie.txt:\screen_zoom 126
linux/guillaume:\screen_zoom 170
windows/andrew:\screen_zoom 130
windows/steve:\screen_zoom 200
windows/cris:\screen_zoom 200
windows/john:\screen_zoom 130

The average of the above values is 158.

The default is 150. I'm not convinced there's enough evidence to change
the default.

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Steve Burnham]

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 7:40 PM Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 03, 2017 at 05:18:53PM -0600, Joel Kulesza wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Scott Kostyshak 
> wrote:
> >
> > > > P.S. For Mac Users, the file is likely in ~/Library/Application
> > > > Support/LyX-2.*/.
> > >
> > > Good to know. On Mac is the location indeed shown when you go to LyX >
> > > About LyX?
> >
> >
> > It is; I just thought I'd confirm.
>
> OK thanks.
>
> Scott
>

I hope it's not too late to contribute my preferences file.  The one
default I am surprised by is the screen zoom/font size. I set my zoom to
200%. It's just far too small by default. I'm not that old either (31) and
do have good vision.

-Steve


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sat, Jun 03, 2017 at 05:18:53PM -0600, Joel Kulesza wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:
> 
> > > P.S. For Mac Users, the file is likely in ~/Library/Application
> > > Support/LyX-2.*/.
> >
> > Good to know. On Mac is the location indeed shown when you go to LyX >
> > About LyX?
> 
> 
> It is; I just thought I'd confirm.

OK thanks.

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Joel Kulesza]

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> > P.S. For Mac Users, the file is likely in ~/Library/Application
> > Support/LyX-2.*/.
>
> Good to know. On Mac is the location indeed shown when you go to LyX >
> About LyX?


It is; I just thought I'd confirm.

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 2/06/2017 8:07 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote:


Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are:

  screen zoom
  continuous spellcheck
  math preview

Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This
is important because it is possible to have different default
preferences on different platforms.

Attached is my preferences file.

Scott

Attached are the relevant entries of my preferences on a 64 bit windows 
7 machine. No spellchecking, maths preview on. The screen zoom has 
increased from 100 when I discovered LyX about 12 years ago to 130 now. 
Aging eyes -- but I see others using even higher zoom levels.


Andrew



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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:07:18PM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

> Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This
> is important because it is possible to have different default
> preferences on different platforms.

Just a note to say thank you to everyone who has shared their
preferences so far! This is very helpful and will be used in the future
by developers when thinking about new defaults. Hopefully even more
users will share.

I appreciate your time!

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 11:06:50AM +0200, Guillaume MM wrote:

> *\preview no_math
> \screen_zoom 170
> *\cursor_width 2
> *\paragraph_markers true
> \single_instance false
> \load_session true
> \num_lastfiles 50
> *\spellcheck_continuously true
> \spellcheck_notes false

Thanks for sharing, Guillaume.

> > the chance of us changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for 
> > example, [1], for
> > why this is complicated).
> 
> What I can see from your example is half the people wanting to enable
> spellchecking by default and the other half not objecting to it, and
> then nobody implementing the agreed-upon change. I hope that it can go
> differently this time.

I'll bump that thread with a reference to this thread.

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[John Beattie]

On 2017-06-01 16:07 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> 
> Attached is my preferences file.
> 
> Scott

Attached x2.

The first one is used under Windows 7, 64 bit , sp1, where LyX is used for work
logs.

The second one is under mint 17.2, where LyX is used for study notes and my
diary.

The machine I use them on is dual-boot (so the screen is the same in both cases,
hence the similar zoom values).

John
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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sat, Jun 03, 2017 at 06:40:27AM -0600, Joel Kulesza wrote:

> That is precisely the reason I'd like to see such a preference.
> Copying/pasting is generally what I do to fix it.  Making a branch in an
> otherwise simple document seems like too much overkill for what seems to me
> like a logical LyX / document setting preference.

I was just going to say, if anything this should be in document
settings, and not in preferences.

> I'd be happy to discuss in a new thread.  In the meantime, see:
> https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8665 .  Note that, to your third bullet,
> the figure settings / groups might solve some issues for things like
> default widths.

Indeed, let's please continue any discussion on #8665 or in a separate
email thread. I will be focusing on other issues, but I'll follow any
discussion and might be interested after 2.3.0 is released.

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 06:54:35PM -0600, Joel Kulesza wrote:

> Preference file attached.

Thanks, Joel.

> P.S. For Mac Users, the file is likely in ~/Library/Application
> Support/LyX-2.*/.

Good to know. On Mac is the location indeed shown when you go to LyX >
About LyX?

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Jun 01, 2017 at 04:51:25PM -0400, Cris Fuhrman wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I'm attaching my "anonymized" prefs file.
> 
> Did you ever consider using Google Analytics to track LyX usage? Of course,
> it's ethical (and probably required in the TOS of GA) that you have it
> deactivated by default and that you request permission from users to turn
> it on. I played around with it before on a plug-in I made for Word and it
> gives you live data. There might be other ways to track usage that don't
> have to go through Google. See
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4338557/track-c-application-with-google-analytics
> for a starting point.

Thanks for this idea, Cris. Would this be only to see how many people
are using LyX or for something in addition to that? Every time I think
about something like that, I challenge myself and ask: "Why do I want to
know how many people use LyX?" and my answer is always just that I would
be curious. Since I don't think it would lead to any improvement in LyX,
my train of thought stops there.

In any case, let's pleas not discuss this further on this thread. If you
want to start a new thread with the focus of Google Analytics (or
other), I'd be interested in following it.

Thanks,

Scott


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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Joel Kulesza]

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Christian Ridderström  wrote:

>
> On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 at 02:55, Joel Kulesza  wrote:
>
>> One preference not shown (because it is not available), but that I'd love
>> to have: default alignment of inserted figures: center.
>>
>
> I would also really like a preference or other method to reduce the
> manual/repeated work I do in order to get inserted figure floats to be
> centered.
>

> In practice I've often ended up copying/pasting another float to reduce
> the repeated work. So perhaps a practical approach is to add a "templates
> branch" to the document and there create your custom figure float that you
> the copy.
>

That is precisely the reason I'd like to see such a preference.
Copying/pasting is generally what I do to fix it.  Making a branch in an
otherwise simple document seems like too much overkill for what seems to me
like a logical LyX / document setting preference.

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Christian Ridderström  wrote:

> But perhaps this topic should be in a thread of its own as there are many
> ways to solve it, eg: (... opt. preference that )
> - ... make figure insets centered by default
> - ... make figure insets by default use the alignment setting of figure
> inset just above
> - Custom/local templates that lets you insert a complete figure float, so
> you easily can get a float with eg: centered figure, figure inser width at
> 100% column etc, a short figure caption, a long figure caption, label etc.
>

I'd be happy to discuss in a new thread.  In the meantime, see:
https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8665 .  Note that, to your third bullet,
the figure settings / groups might solve some issues for things like
default widths.

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Guillaume MM]

Le 02/06/2017 à 11:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit :

Le 02/06/2017 à 11:06, Guillaume MM a écrit :

*\cursor_width 2
* are those which I am certain should be set for new users.


Are you in a HiDPI system?


No, and it is about having it wider than other lines on the screen.

Shouldn't the cursor width be computed wrt 
the screen DPI/zoom? instead

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Christian Ridderström]

On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 at 02:55, Joel Kulesza  wrote:

> One preference not shown (because it is not available), but that I'd love
> to have: default alignment of inserted figures: center.
>

I would also really like a preference or other method to reduce the
manual/repeated work I do in order to get inserted figure floats to be
centered.

But perhaps this topic should be in a thread of its own as there are many
ways to solve it, eg: (... opt. preference that )
- ... make figure insets centered by default
- ... make figure insets by default use the alignment setting of figure
inset just above
- Custom/local templates that lets you insert a complete figure float, so
you easily can get a float with eg: centered figure, figure inser width at
100% column etc, a short figure caption, a long figure caption, label etc.

In practice I've often ended up copying/pasting another float to reduce the
repeated work. So perhaps a practical approach is to add a "templates
branch" to the document and there create your custom figure float that you
the copy.
Christian

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Joel Kulesza]

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> Your preferences are in a file called "preferences", stored in your user
> directory. To locate your user directory, see Help > About (I think on
> Mac this is LyX > About?). If you go to your user directory and there is
> no "preferences" file, that means that you have not changed any of the
> defaults. I still want to know in this case. If you could just respond
> "default", then that would be helpful.
>
> Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This
> is important because it is possible to have different default
> preferences on different platforms.
>

Mac OS X 10.11.6

Preference file attached.

With respect to Scott's stated curiosity: I'd push for continuous
spellcheck enabled by default.

One preference not shown (because it is not available), but that I'd love
to have: default alignment of inserted figures: center.

- Joel

P.S. For Mac Users, the file is likely in ~/Library/Application
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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 02/06/2017 à 11:06, Guillaume MM a écrit :

*\cursor_width 2
* are those which I am certain should be set for new users.


Are you in a HiDPI system? Shouldn't the cursor width be computed wrt 
the screen DPI/zoom? instead


JMarc

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Guillaume MM]

Hi Scott,

Le 01/06/2017 à 22:07, Scott Kostyshak a écrit :

it could make a difference for the
out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users.


Thanks for starting this.

Of interest:

*\preview no_math
\screen_zoom 170
*\cursor_width 2
*\paragraph_markers true
\single_instance false
\load_session true
\num_lastfiles 50
*\spellcheck_continuously true
\spellcheck_notes false

* are those which I am certain should be set for new users.

Paragraph markers are necessary to see and avoid paragraph breaks before
displayed math (as experiments on live subjects have shown).


the chance of us changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for 
example, [1], for
why this is complicated).


What I can see from your example is half the people wanting to enable
spellchecking by default and the other half not objecting to it, and
then nobody implementing the agreed-upon change. I hope that it can go
differently this time.

Guillaume

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Anthony Campbell]

On 01 Jun 2017, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> There are many different preferences that the user can customize. It is
> difficult to think about what is the best default preferences for the
> most amount of users. One way I've thought of to get an idea of this is
> to start collecting user's preferences. If we see that a lot of users
> have changed a certain preference, we might think about changing the
> default. Of course, for you this won't make much of a difference since
> you have that setting set anyway. But it could make a difference for the
> out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users.
> 
> Just to set realistic expectations, I would say that the chance of us
> changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for example, [1], for
> why this is complicated). In order to tak a rist, we need to have a lot
> of evidence about the average user; and since you are on a LyX mailing
> list that means you are not an average user in my opinion :).
> 
> Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are:
> 
>   screen zoom
>   continuous spellcheck
>   math preview

I don't have any preferences set at present. I certainly wouldn't want
continuous spellcheck. This is on OpenBSD -current.
-- 
Anthony Campbellhttp://www.acampbell.uk

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Am 01.06.2017 um 22:07 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:

Dear all,

There are many different preferences that the user can customize. It is
difficult to think about what is the best default preferences for the
most amount of users. One way I've thought of to get an idea of this is
to start collecting user's preferences. If we see that a lot of users
have changed a certain preference, we might think about changing the
default. Of course, for you this won't make much of a difference since
you have that setting set anyway. But it could make a difference for the
out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users.

Just to set realistic expectations, I would say that the chance of us
changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for example, [1], for
why this is complicated). In order to tak a rist, we need to have a lot
of evidence about the average user; and since you are on a LyX mailing
list that means you are not an average user in my opinion :).

Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are:

   screen zoom
   continuous spellcheck
   math preview

Before posting, please check your preferences file manually for any
information that you prefer not to be made public.

Your preferences are in a file called "preferences", stored in your user
directory. To locate your user directory, see Help > About (I think on
Mac this is LyX > About?). If you go to your user directory and there is
no "preferences" file, that means that you have not changed any of the
defaults. I still want to know in this case. If you could just respond
"default", then that would be helpful.

Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This
is important because it is possible to have different default
preferences on different platforms.

Attached is my preferences file.

Scott


[1] 
https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid=CAO7dr0isQTesZ9cJeobrA0vYFr3ctUMA-JWTPDx677tjz286Ew%40mail.gmail.com

linux debian default
Wolfgang

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[gordon cooper]

Hello Scott,
   Am running Lyx on Mx-Linux Version MX16.
Most of my Lyx tasks are  proofreading/editing of documents
written by others, so leave Lyx on Default.

Regards,

Gordon.

Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Charlie]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 16:07:18 -0400
Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux.
> This is important because it is possible to have different default
> preferences on different platforms.
> 
> Attached is my preferences file.

Hello Scott,

My preferences, if any, are pretty ordinary. File attached.

Stay well,
Charlie

-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

"Come to the edge", he said. They said.."We are afraid". "Come
to the edge", he said. They came, he pushed them  And they
flew. -Guillaume Apollinaire

***

Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed.

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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

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  My preferences are the same on hosts running Slackware-14.1 and -14.2:

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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 06/01/2017 04:07 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This
is important because it is possible to have different default
preferences on different platforms.



Here are my prefs on a Linux system (Mint, to be specific).

Paul

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Re: Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Cris Fuhrman]

Hi Scott,

I'm attaching my "anonymized" prefs file.

Did you ever consider using Google Analytics to track LyX usage? Of course,
it's ethical (and probably required in the TOS of GA) that you have it
deactivated by default and that you request permission from users to turn
it on. I played around with it before on a plug-in I made for Word and it
gives you live data. There might be other ways to track usage that don't
have to go through Google. See
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4338557/track-c-application-with-google-analytics
for a starting point.

C. Fuhrman

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> There are many different preferences that the user can customize. It is
> difficult to think about what is the best default preferences for the
> most amount of users. One way I've thought of to get an idea of this is
> to start collecting user's preferences. If we see that a lot of users
> have changed a certain preference, we might think about changing the
> default. Of course, for you this won't make much of a difference since
> you have that setting set anyway. But it could make a difference for the
> out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users.
>
> Just to set realistic expectations, I would say that the chance of us
> changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for example, [1], for
> why this is complicated). In order to tak a rist, we need to have a lot
> of evidence about the average user; and since you are on a LyX mailing
> list that means you are not an average user in my opinion :).
>
> Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are:
>
>   screen zoom
>   continuous spellcheck
>   math preview
>
> Before posting, please check your preferences file manually for any
> information that you prefer not to be made public.
>
> Your preferences are in a file called "preferences", stored in your user
> directory. To locate your user directory, see Help > About (I think on
> Mac this is LyX > About?). If you go to your user directory and there is
> no "preferences" file, that means that you have not changed any of the
> defaults. I still want to know in this case. If you could just respond
> "default", then that would be helpful.
>
> Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This
> is important because it is possible to have different default
> preferences on different platforms.
>
> Attached is my preferences file.
>
> Scott
>
>
> [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid=
> CAO7dr0isQTesZ9cJeobrA0vYFr3ctUMA-JWTPDx677tjz286Ew%40mail.gmail.com
>
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Help improve LyX's defaults by sharing your preferences

[Scott Kostyshak]

Dear all,

There are many different preferences that the user can customize. It is
difficult to think about what is the best default preferences for the
most amount of users. One way I've thought of to get an idea of this is
to start collecting user's preferences. If we see that a lot of users
have changed a certain preference, we might think about changing the
default. Of course, for you this won't make much of a difference since
you have that setting set anyway. But it could make a difference for the
out-of-the-box experience of new LyX users.

Just to set realistic expectations, I would say that the chance of us
changing a default preference are pretty low (see, for example, [1], for
why this is complicated). In order to tak a rist, we need to have a lot
of evidence about the average user; and since you are on a LyX mailing
list that means you are not an average user in my opinion :).

Preferences in particular that I'm curious about are:

  screen zoom
  continuous spellcheck
  math preview

Before posting, please check your preferences file manually for any
information that you prefer not to be made public.

Your preferences are in a file called "preferences", stored in your user
directory. To locate your user directory, see Help > About (I think on
Mac this is LyX > About?). If you go to your user directory and there is
no "preferences" file, that means that you have not changed any of the
defaults. I still want to know in this case. If you could just respond
"default", then that would be helpful.

Please state your OS with the categories of Windows, Mac, or Linux. This
is important because it is possible to have different default
preferences on different platforms.

Attached is my preferences file.

Scott


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https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid=CAO7dr0isQTesZ9cJeobrA0vYFr3ctUMA-JWTPDx677tjz286Ew%40mail.gmail.com
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