Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 17.03.2018 um 13:07 schrieb emile lunardon:


What are the main evolutions from Bundle and Installer 4 to 5 ?


There was a bug in the installer so that existing 64bit MiKTeX 
installations were not detected.


Meanwhile I released version 6:
http://ftp.lyx.de/LyXWinInstaller/LyX2.3.0/
that has improvements for users installing LyX the first time on a PC. 
There were some bugs in the MiKTeX installer that are now fixed. The LyX 
bundle installer bundles this new installer.


Users having already LyX 2.3.0 installer can ignore this new installer 
version.


regards Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[emile lunardon]

What are the main evolutions from Bundle and Installer 4 to 5 ?

2018-03-10 16:39 GMT+01:00 Emile Lunardon :

> The bundle version 4 installation of LyX2.3 went fine.
>
> 2018-03-08 22:27 GMT+01:00 Uwe Stöhr :
>
>> Am 08.03.2018 um 18:04 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
>>
>> OK, then the problem I detected yesterday seem to exist since Monday on
>>> some mirror servers (I'll check right now if this is now fixed and report
>>> back).
>>>
>>
>> This is now fixed but I had to change the update process internally to
>> reflect the latest changes in MiKTeX.
>>
>> I therefore created the new installer version 4 that works for all of my
>> test cases:
>> http://ftp.lyx.de/LyXWinInstaller/LyX2.3.0/
>>
>> regards Uwe
>>
>
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Emile Lunardon]

The bundle version 4 installation of LyX2.3 went fine.

2018-03-08 22:27 GMT+01:00 Uwe Stöhr :

> Am 08.03.2018 um 18:04 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:
>
> OK, then the problem I detected yesterday seem to exist since Monday on
>> some mirror servers (I'll check right now if this is now fixed and report
>> back).
>>
>
> This is now fixed but I had to change the update process internally to
> reflect the latest changes in MiKTeX.
>
> I therefore created the new installer version 4 that works for all of my
> test cases:
> http://ftp.lyx.de/LyXWinInstaller/LyX2.3.0/
>
> regards Uwe
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 08.03.2018 um 18:04 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:

OK, then the problem I detected yesterday seem to exist since Monday on 
some mirror servers (I'll check right now if this is now fixed and 
report back).


This is now fixed but I had to change the update process internally to 
reflect the latest changes in MiKTeX.


I therefore created the new installer version 4 that works for all of my 
test cases:

http://ftp.lyx.de/LyXWinInstaller/LyX2.3.0/

regards Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[emile lunardon]

I'm glad to see it all makes sense now. Thank you for everything you do on
LyX !

2018-03-08 18:04 GMT+01:00 Uwe Stöhr :

> Am 08.03.2018 um 11:56 schrieb Emile Lunardon:
>
> How could I let the Miktex update happen? It's very simple, bundle3
>> displayed a window...
>>
>
> OK, so you didn't update MiKTeX manually.
>
> I don't know if Miktex was really broken, but LyX was no more able to
>> launch the compilation of the documents. Then, as I wrote you, a Miktex
>> update failed and it is only later that on the Miktex console I have seen
>> that there was proposed a list of packages to be installed with one package
>> inside. After the installation of this package LyX (2.2.3 and 2.3) were
>> both able to compile again documents.
>> Presently all seems to work fine.
>>
>
> OK, then the problem I detected yesterday seem to exist since Monday on
> some mirror servers (I'll check right now if this is now fixed and report
> back). MiKTeX must be updated to be able to work with it, but the update
> failed because the main package containing the info of all other MiKTeX
> packages appeared recently truncated on the MiKTeX mirror servers.
> Since you had a state of MiKTeX with the new MiKTeX console, it means that
> the update was partially successful. When I launch in this state the MiKTeX
> console manually and force another update run, I get MiKTeX fixed. And this
> is what you did too.
> So my analysis is that the LyX installer could force the update to the
> MiKTeX console but the packages and, more important, the links to the
> packages could not be updated by the MiKTeX console because of the
> truncated package info.
>
> In my opinion you should  concentrate on the reason of the presence in
>> bundle3 of this dialog window with only an "OK button" to click as possible
>> answer as we should be in position to decline the proposition to update
>> Miktex
>>
>
> In this case we must force an update. You observed what happens if this is
> not performed or incomplete - MiKTeX can be broken.
> The MiKTeX package handling changed and the different programs to install
> and maintain packages do no longer exist. They were replaced by the MiKTeX
> Console. Therefore we must find a way that users of older MiKTeX get the
> console because if they do this by themselves (e.g. by installing a new
> package or in same cases by reconfiguring LyX) a bug in MiKTeX can cause
> LaTeX to break completely.
>
> many thanks for your help with testing and feedback
> Uwe
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 08.03.2018 um 11:56 schrieb Emile Lunardon:

How could I let the Miktex update happen? It's very simple, bundle3 
displayed a window...


OK, so you didn't update MiKTeX manually.

I don't know if Miktex was really broken, but LyX was no more able to 
launch the compilation of the documents. Then, as I wrote you, a Miktex 
update failed and it is only later that on the Miktex console I have 
seen that there was proposed a list of packages to be installed with one 
package inside. After the installation of this package LyX (2.2.3 and 
2.3) were both able to compile again documents.

Presently all seems to work fine.


OK, then the problem I detected yesterday seem to exist since Monday on 
some mirror servers (I'll check right now if this is now fixed and 
report back). MiKTeX must be updated to be able to work with it, but the 
update failed because the main package containing the info of all other 
MiKTeX packages appeared recently truncated on the MiKTeX mirror servers.
Since you had a state of MiKTeX with the new MiKTeX console, it means 
that the update was partially successful. When I launch in this state 
the MiKTeX console manually and force another update run, I get MiKTeX 
fixed. And this is what you did too.
So my analysis is that the LyX installer could force the update to the 
MiKTeX console but the packages and, more important, the links to the 
packages could not be updated by the MiKTeX console because of the 
truncated package info.


In my opinion you should  concentrate on the reason of the presence in 
bundle3 of this dialog window with only an "OK button" to click as 
possible answer as we should be in position to decline the proposition 
to update Miktex


In this case we must force an update. You observed what happens if this 
is not performed or incomplete - MiKTeX can be broken.
The MiKTeX package handling changed and the different programs to 
install and maintain packages do no longer exist. They were replaced by 
the MiKTeX Console. Therefore we must find a way that users of older 
MiKTeX get the console because if they do this by themselves (e.g. by 
installing a new package or in same cases by reconfiguring LyX) a bug in 
MiKTeX can cause LaTeX to break completely.


many thanks for your help with testing and feedback
Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 07.03.2018 um 17:06 schrieb Emile Lunardon:

I certainly did not update manually Miktex during the bundle3 
installation. Read again my messages,


You wrote
"To test this new installation program, I let the Miktex update run. I 
have no idea what has been updated, but what's for sure is that the 
compilations with LyX don't work anymore now ! "


This is what I don't understand. How could you decide to let the update 
run on your own?


I realize now that you installed LyX 2.3.0 the first time using version 
1 of the LyX installer. This can explain the problems you saw. I tested 
this now but cannot reproduce.


Could you please maybe do me the favor and
- uninstall LyX and MiKTeX _completely_
- reinstall LyX using the 2.3.0 RC1/ installer (if you still have it on 
your PC)

- install LyX 2.3.0 over it using the version 3 installer.

I finally manage later to recover a working Miktex via the installation 
of a new package.


This what i also don't understand. if MiKTeX is broken, you can try 
whatever you want. Updates cannot be installed and a package 
installation doesn't repair MiKTeX. There must have happened something 
else. Because when a package update succeeds and you can use LyX 
afterwards, then it could only happen that the package file name 
database was incomplete.

However, I cannot reproduce this.
Meanwhile MiKTeX released 3 important bugfixes to its package handling 
system. I hope that they are available tomorrow for all users.


regards Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 07.03.2018 um 15:43 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:


No problem, everything is fine now. All you have to do is to install LyX
using version 3 of the installer.


I might have misunderstood something, but I think it is exactly version
3 of the installer that caused Emile's problems.


He manually updated MiKTeX and that breaks it (as I explained due to a 
bug in MiKTeX). Installing version 3 of the installer will fix this. I 
asked him to test this since I am too very curious if this works.


Emile, what is the result?

regards Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 10:08:33AM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 05.03.2018 um 10:57 schrieb Emile Lunardon:
> 
> > This time, the usual way of repairing Miktex by an upgrade didn't work:
> > So the things are going reallv worse !
> 
> No problem, everything is fine now. All you have to do is to install LyX
> using version 3 of the installer.

I might have misunderstood something, but I think it is exactly version
3 of the installer that caused Emile's problems.

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 05.03.2018 um 10:57 schrieb Emile Lunardon:

This time, the usual way of repairing Miktex by an upgrade didn't work: 
So the things are going reallv worse !


No problem, everything is fine now. All you have to do is to install LyX 
using version 3 of the installer. Please don't manually fiddle around 
with MiKTeX updates before installing.


After you installed LyX MiKTeX works fine as it should and you will get 
a PDF of the LyX UserGuide. If you afterwards run MiKTeX update manually 
id you cannot get a PDF, please report back.


regards Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 05.03.2018 um 10:41 schrieb Emile Lunardon:

> This new bundle (v3) for LyX2.3  imposes *without giving the 
possibility to decline the offer,* the update of Miktex. Is it really 
what is wanted ?


Yes, because otherwise you can get this:

I have no idea what has been updated, but what's for sure is that the 
compilations with LyX don't work anymore now ! (messsage : pdflatex 
program ended with error).


There is a bug in MiKTeX that causes to break LaTeX completely in some 
cases. The new Win installer includes a workaround from the MiKTeX 
developer.


Installing LyX again using the new installer should fix your broken MiKTeX

However, I asked you to check if you get a virus warning when installing 
only MiKTeX? If yes, this could explain the false positive for the LyX 
installer because the bundle installer extracts the mikxtex installer 
even if miktex doesn't need to be installed. (The miktex installer will 
unnecessary deleted afterwards.)


regards Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Emile Lunardon]

This time, the usual way of repairing Miktex by an upgrade didn't work:
"Sorry, but something went wrong : Invalid argument: path= "C:\Program
Data\ ".

So the things are going reallv  worse !

2018-03-05 10:41 GMT+01:00 Emile Lunardon :

> To test this new installation program, I let the Miktex update run. I have
> no idea what has been updated, but what's for sure is that the compilations
> with LyX don't work anymore now ! (messsage : pdflatex program ended with
> error).
> I did not disable the "Windows defender" antivirus for this installation,
> but it was found in a previous trial that this did not affect the problem.
>
> 2018-03-05 10:18 GMT+01:00 Emile Lunardon :
>
>> This new bundle (v3) for LyX2.3  imposes *without giving the possibility
>> to decline the offer,* the update of Miktex. Is it really what is wanted
>> ? For all the previous bundle version there was the possibility to refuse
>> this update and so to use Miktex as it is.
>>
>> 2018-03-04 16:13 GMT+01:00 Uwe Stöhr :
>>
>>> Am 04.03.2018 um 06:50 schrieb Emile Lunardon:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 06:14:33AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
 > I managed to have a successfull installation with the installer
 version of
 > LyX2.3, keeping the anti-virus «Windows Defender» active. So the
 problem is
 > well linked to the bundle and its interaction with Miktex 2.9.

>>>
>>> This cannot be. The bundle installer does exactly the same as the small
>>> installer. Only if no LaTeX is found it installs MiKTeX. Since you had
>>> MiKTeX installed there cannot be a difference. The configuration of MiKTeX
>>> is always the same.
>>> We cannot do anything if virus programs detect false positives.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, I created a new installer that should avoid the LaTeX
>>> problems reported by some users:
>>> http://ftp.lyx.de/LyXWinInstaller/LyX2.3.0/
>>>
>>> Please test and report back also if your virus software (update its
>>> virus definitions before) again finds something.
>>>
>>> regards Uwe
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Emile Lunardon]

To test this new installation program, I let the Miktex update run. I have
no idea what has been updated, but what's for sure is that the compilations
with LyX don't work anymore now ! (messsage : pdflatex program ended with
error).
I did not disable the "Windows defender" antivirus for this installation,
but it was found in a previous trial that this did not affect the problem.

2018-03-05 10:18 GMT+01:00 Emile Lunardon :

> This new bundle (v3) for LyX2.3  imposes *without giving the possibility
> to decline the offer,* the update of Miktex. Is it really what is wanted
> ? For all the previous bundle version there was the possibility to refuse
> this update and so to use Miktex as it is.
>
> 2018-03-04 16:13 GMT+01:00 Uwe Stöhr :
>
>> Am 04.03.2018 um 06:50 schrieb Emile Lunardon:
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 06:14:33AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
>>> > I managed to have a successfull installation with the installer
>>> version of
>>> > LyX2.3, keeping the anti-virus «Windows Defender» active. So the
>>> problem is
>>> > well linked to the bundle and its interaction with Miktex 2.9.
>>>
>>
>> This cannot be. The bundle installer does exactly the same as the small
>> installer. Only if no LaTeX is found it installs MiKTeX. Since you had
>> MiKTeX installed there cannot be a difference. The configuration of MiKTeX
>> is always the same.
>> We cannot do anything if virus programs detect false positives.
>>
>> Nevertheless, I created a new installer that should avoid the LaTeX
>> problems reported by some users:
>> http://ftp.lyx.de/LyXWinInstaller/LyX2.3.0/
>>
>> Please test and report back also if your virus software (update its virus
>> definitions before) again finds something.
>>
>> regards Uwe
>>
>
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Emile Lunardon]

This new bundle (v3) for LyX2.3  imposes *without giving the possibility to
decline the offer,* the update of Miktex. Is it really what is wanted ? For
all the previous bundle version there was the possibility to refuse this
update and so to use Miktex as it is.

2018-03-04 16:13 GMT+01:00 Uwe Stöhr :

> Am 04.03.2018 um 06:50 schrieb Emile Lunardon:
>
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 06:14:33AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
>> > I managed to have a successfull installation with the installer
>> version of
>> > LyX2.3, keeping the anti-virus «Windows Defender» active. So the
>> problem is
>> > well linked to the bundle and its interaction with Miktex 2.9.
>>
>
> This cannot be. The bundle installer does exactly the same as the small
> installer. Only if no LaTeX is found it installs MiKTeX. Since you had
> MiKTeX installed there cannot be a difference. The configuration of MiKTeX
> is always the same.
> We cannot do anything if virus programs detect false positives.
>
> Nevertheless, I created a new installer that should avoid the LaTeX
> problems reported by some users:
> http://ftp.lyx.de/LyXWinInstaller/LyX2.3.0/
>
> Please test and report back also if your virus software (update its virus
> definitions before) again finds something.
>
> regards Uwe
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 03:59:49PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 04.03.2018 um 16:52 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:
> 
> > One possibility could be that the previous MiKTeX installation was not
> > detected.
> 
> No, because then the bundle installer would install MiKTeX and this is
> something you will see as user because you have to accept the installation
> explicitly.

Ah I see.

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 04.03.2018 um 16:52 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:


One possibility could be that the previous MiKTeX installation was not
detected.


No, because then the bundle installer would install MiKTeX and this is 
something you will see as user because you have to accept the 
installation explicitly.


regards Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 04.03.2018 um 16:13 schrieb Uwe Stöhr:

Please test and report back also if your virus software (update its 
virus definitions before) again finds something.


Emile,

can you please do me the favor and:
1. uninstall MiKTeX
2. install MiKTeX using the latest MiKTeX installer:
http://ctan.space-pro.be/tex-archive/systems/win32/miktex/setup/windows-x86/basic-miktex-2.9.6615.exe

Does your virus scanner shout?

thanks and regards
Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 03:13:32PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> Am 04.03.2018 um 06:50 schrieb Emile Lunardon:
> 
> > On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 06:14:33AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
> > > I managed to have a successfull installation with the installer 
> > version of
> > > LyX2.3, keeping the anti-virus «Windows Defender» active. So the 
> > problem is
> > > well linked to the bundle and its interaction with Miktex 2.9.
> 
> This cannot be. The bundle installer does exactly the same as the small
> installer. Only if no LaTeX is found it installs MiKTeX. Since you had
> MiKTeX installed there cannot be a difference.

One possibility could be that the previous MiKTeX installation was not
detected.

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 05:50:57AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
> It's an old habit that probably goes back to the first versions of LyX on
> Windows (I used to work with LyX on Cygwin before). It seems to me that the
> bundle had been introduced so as not to have to worry about installing, at
> the good version, a whole lot of accessory software like the image
> converter, python, dictionaries etc., as well as a minimal version of LaTeX
> (which is however insufficient in some cases).

Makes sense, thanks.

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 04.03.2018 um 06:50 schrieb Emile Lunardon:


On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 06:14:33AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
> I managed to have a successfull installation with the installer version of
> LyX2.3, keeping the anti-virus «Windows Defender» active. So the problem 
is
> well linked to the bundle and its interaction with Miktex 2.9.


This cannot be. The bundle installer does exactly the same as the small 
installer. Only if no LaTeX is found it installs MiKTeX. Since you had 
MiKTeX installed there cannot be a difference. The configuration of 
MiKTeX is always the same.

We cannot do anything if virus programs detect false positives.

Nevertheless, I created a new installer that should avoid the LaTeX 
problems reported by some users:

http://ftp.lyx.de/LyXWinInstaller/LyX2.3.0/

Please test and report back also if your virus software (update its 
virus definitions before) again finds something.


regards Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Emile Lunardon]

It's an old habit that probably goes back to the first versions of LyX on
Windows (I used to work with LyX on Cygwin before). It seems to me that the
bundle had been introduced so as not to have to worry about installing, at
the good version, a whole lot of accessory software like the image
converter, python, dictionaries etc., as well as a minimal version of LaTeX
(which is however insufficient in some cases).

2018-03-03 18:17 GMT+01:00 Scott Kostyshak :

> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 06:14:33AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
> > I managed to have a successfull installation with the installer version
> of
> > LyX2.3, keeping the anti-virus «Windows Defender» active. So the problem
> is
> > well linked to the bundle and its interaction with Miktex 2.9.
>
> Good to know. Why were you using the bundle when you already have MiKTeX
> installed? Was your expectation that LyX would overwrite your current
> MiKTeX installation with the bundled one, or that they would be
> installed side-by-side?
>
> Scott
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 06:14:33AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
> I managed to have a successfull installation with the installer version of
> LyX2.3, keeping the anti-virus «Windows Defender» active. So the problem is
> well linked to the bundle and its interaction with Miktex 2.9.

Good to know. Why were you using the bundle when you already have MiKTeX
installed? Was your expectation that LyX would overwrite your current
MiKTeX installation with the bundled one, or that they would be
installed side-by-side?

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Emile Lunardon]

I managed to have a successfull installation with the installer version of
LyX2.3, keeping the anti-virus «Windows Defender» active. So the problem is
well linked to the bundle and its interaction with Miktex 2.9.

2018-03-01 17:15 GMT+01:00 Scott Kostyshak :

> On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 10:26:20AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
> > I tried again to install LyX2.3 on my PC running on WINDOWS 8.1. This
> time
> > as you have suggested, I have disabled the virus scanner (windows
> defender)
> > and installed only for the current user.
> > The result is identical to the first installation attempt : neither
> LyX2.3
> > nor LyX2.2.3 document compilation works due to problem with Miktex 2.9
> > (wrong termination of pdflalex, missing classes, spaces in directory
> paths).
> > Then I have performed a package maintenance of Miktex (one new package
> > downloaded) and I have reconfigured both LyX2.3 and LyX2.2.3. RESULT :
> both
> > LyX versions manage to compile documents now.
> >
> > CONCLUSION
> >  The installation of LyX2.3 seems to corrupt the Miktex configuration.
> This
> > is not due to an interaction with the anti-virus (disabled). Hopefully an
> > upgrade of Miktex (if there is a new package to install) repairs Miktex
> 2.9
> > and allows LyX to work again.
>
> Thanks for your help in trying to figure out what's going on,  Emile.
> Reading your previous message, you are using the bundle to install,
> right? Do you have the same problem if you use the installer? I'm not so
> surprised that the bundle could mess something up if you already have a
> MikTeX installation. But if just using the non-bundle installer messes
> something up, that would be a bigger problem, in my opinion, since I
> don't think it should touch your MikTeX installation (although I don't
> know for sure, maybe there this a good reason to do so).
>
> Scott
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 06:01:55PM +, Uwe Stöhr wrote:
> 
> Scott, I tend to delay the public announce for LyX on Windows for some days.

OK.

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Emile Lunardon]

I always use the bundle version of LyX for my installations (...LyX2.2.2,
LyX2.2.3, LyX2.3 RC1, LyX2.3RC2, LyX2.3) together with a local version of
Miktex and it is the first time I have this kind of problem.

2018-03-01 17:15 GMT+01:00 Scott Kostyshak :

> On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 10:26:20AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
> > I tried again to install LyX2.3 on my PC running on WINDOWS 8.1. This
> time
> > as you have suggested, I have disabled the virus scanner (windows
> defender)
> > and installed only for the current user.
> > The result is identical to the first installation attempt : neither
> LyX2.3
> > nor LyX2.2.3 document compilation works due to problem with Miktex 2.9
> > (wrong termination of pdflalex, missing classes, spaces in directory
> paths).
> > Then I have performed a package maintenance of Miktex (one new package
> > downloaded) and I have reconfigured both LyX2.3 and LyX2.2.3. RESULT :
> both
> > LyX versions manage to compile documents now.
> >
> > CONCLUSION
> >  The installation of LyX2.3 seems to corrupt the Miktex configuration.
> This
> > is not due to an interaction with the anti-virus (disabled). Hopefully an
> > upgrade of Miktex (if there is a new package to install) repairs Miktex
> 2.9
> > and allows LyX to work again.
>
> Thanks for your help in trying to figure out what's going on,  Emile.
> Reading your previous message, you are using the bundle to install,
> right? Do you have the same problem if you use the installer? I'm not so
> surprised that the bundle could mess something up if you already have a
> MikTeX installation. But if just using the non-bundle installer messes
> something up, that would be a bigger problem, in my opinion, since I
> don't think it should touch your MikTeX installation (although I don't
> know for sure, maybe there this a good reason to do so).
>
> Scott
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 01.03.2018 um 17:15 schrieb Scott Kostyshak:


CONCLUSION
  The installation of LyX2.3 seems to corrupt the Miktex configuration. This
is not due to an interaction with the anti-virus (disabled). Hopefully an
upgrade of Miktex (if there is a new package to install) repairs Miktex 2.9
and allows LyX to work again.


This sounds not good. The problematic is this:
MiKTeX released a new version that changes the whole package handling. 
There are now 3 cases:
A: if you have MiKTeX already installed and have not yet updated MiKTeX, 
LyX will fail to setup MiKTeX because it uses the new package handling 
infrastructure.
B: if you have MiKTeX already installed and run the update wizard of 
MiKTeX once, LyX will fail too because two update steps of MikTeX are 
necessary: first to update the update wizard and second one to use it to 
update MiKTeX's main files.
C: you already run MikTeX's update wizard at least once before using the 
LyX installer or you install MiKTeX together with LyX. Then LyX will 
perform the second update run for you and LyX is already prepared for 
MikTeX's new package handling.


I am still thinking about a clever solution. Maybe I should change the 
installer so that it runs the MiKTeX update twice if necessary. I tend 
to do this but this requires time for testing I don't have right now.
If you don't like to wait, uninstall MiKTeX and use the bundle installer 
of LyX 2.3.0 to install MiKTeX right before LyX.


Any suggesting for a proper solution is welcome.

Scott, I tend to delay the public announce for LyX on Windows for some days.

regards Uwe

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 10:26:20AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:

> CONCLUSION
>  The installation of LyX2.3 seems to corrupt the Miktex configuration. This
> is not due to an interaction with the anti-virus (disabled). Hopefully an
> upgrade of Miktex (if there is a new package to install) repairs Miktex 2.9
> and allows LyX to work again.

What is your anti-virus software? Do you have Avast Antivirus installed?

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 10:26:20AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
> I tried again to install LyX2.3 on my PC running on WINDOWS 8.1. This time
> as you have suggested, I have disabled the virus scanner (windows defender)
> and installed only for the current user.
> The result is identical to the first installation attempt : neither LyX2.3
> nor LyX2.2.3 document compilation works due to problem with Miktex 2.9
> (wrong termination of pdflalex, missing classes, spaces in directory paths).
> Then I have performed a package maintenance of Miktex (one new package
> downloaded) and I have reconfigured both LyX2.3 and LyX2.2.3. RESULT : both
> LyX versions manage to compile documents now.
> 
> CONCLUSION
>  The installation of LyX2.3 seems to corrupt the Miktex configuration. This
> is not due to an interaction with the anti-virus (disabled). Hopefully an
> upgrade of Miktex (if there is a new package to install) repairs Miktex 2.9
> and allows LyX to work again.

Thanks for your help in trying to figure out what's going on,  Emile.
Reading your previous message, you are using the bundle to install,
right? Do you have the same problem if you use the installer? I'm not so
surprised that the bundle could mess something up if you already have a
MikTeX installation. But if just using the non-bundle installer messes
something up, that would be a bigger problem, in my opinion, since I
don't think it should touch your MikTeX installation (although I don't
know for sure, maybe there this a good reason to do so).

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Emile Lunardon]

I tried again to install LyX2.3 on my PC running on WINDOWS 8.1. This time
as you have suggested, I have disabled the virus scanner (windows defender)
and installed only for the current user.
The result is identical to the first installation attempt : neither LyX2.3
nor LyX2.2.3 document compilation works due to problem with Miktex 2.9
(wrong termination of pdflalex, missing classes, spaces in directory paths).
Then I have performed a package maintenance of Miktex (one new package
downloaded) and I have reconfigured both LyX2.3 and LyX2.2.3. RESULT : both
LyX versions manage to compile documents now.

CONCLUSION
 The installation of LyX2.3 seems to corrupt the Miktex configuration. This
is not due to an interaction with the anti-virus (disabled). Hopefully an
upgrade of Miktex (if there is a new package to install) repairs Miktex 2.9
and allows LyX to work again.

2018-02-28 17:54 GMT+01:00 Scott Kostyshak :

> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 07:06:08AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
> > I had a big problem with the use of the new LyX 2.3 bundle.
> >
> > The installation by itself went fine, side by side with the current LyX
> > 2.2.3 version, using my existing local Miktex 2.9 distribution. But the
> > compilation with LyX 2.3 of any document failed with a report of a
> problem
> > on pdflatex.exe (something like missing program). I tried to reconfigure
> > LyX 2.3 but the problem remained.
> > I then switched to LyX 2.2.3 and faced the same problem with in addition
> > the reported missing of some document classes. It seemed that the Miktex
> > configuration was corrupted.
> >
> > I then uninstalled LyX 2.3 and had to upgrade/maintain the Miktex
> > configuration with its package manager to recover a working LyX 2.2.3.
> >
> > So there is certainly a problem with the way LyX 2.3 interacts with
> Miktex.
> > I had no problem of this kind with the LyX2.3RC 1 & 2.
>
> Thanks for this detailed report, Emile. Take a look at this message:
>
>   https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid=20180228110424.6
> 160469.4449.14790%40web.de
>
> If you follow the instructions there (disabling the virus scanner, if
> you feel comfortable enough to do so), does it then work? I do not know
> why this is different from rc2. I hope we can figure that out.
>
> Scott
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[edu Gpl]

Installer and lyx : work good.
Win10 + Miktex + lyx bundle 240MB.

Regards

في الأربعاء، ٢٨ فبراير، ٢٠١٨ ١:١٣ ص Scott Kostyshak  كتب:

> Dear Windows users,
>
> We received a report that the Windows installer lead to an error, so I
> would like to get some more testing before we announce the release.
>
> Can you test the installer for 2.3.0?
>
>   ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.3.0
>
> If you test, which installer did you test: the "bundle" or the
> "installer"?
>
> Did you get a popup from the MiKTeX package manger during the
> installation process? If you just close that popup, does everything
> continue as normal?
>
> Do you get any other errors? After you install it, are you able to open
> Help > User Guide and compile it without error?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 09:49:35AM +, a...@andreashegenbart.de wrote:

> I tested the installer, windows 7; pop up miktex 2.9: yes; updated miktex;
> continued as normal and finished successful.
> But opening lyx 2.3 showed the error-warning you´ll find attached; I
> confirmed "ok" and then lyx 2.3 started normal; compiling User Guide was
> successful.
> The error "platex.exe not found" I received some weeks ago as well with
> installing lyx 2.2.3

Thanks for this report, Andreas.

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 07:06:08AM +, Emile Lunardon wrote:
> I had a big problem with the use of the new LyX 2.3 bundle.
> 
> The installation by itself went fine, side by side with the current LyX
> 2.2.3 version, using my existing local Miktex 2.9 distribution. But the
> compilation with LyX 2.3 of any document failed with a report of a problem
> on pdflatex.exe (something like missing program). I tried to reconfigure
> LyX 2.3 but the problem remained.
> I then switched to LyX 2.2.3 and faced the same problem with in addition
> the reported missing of some document classes. It seemed that the Miktex
> configuration was corrupted.
> 
> I then uninstalled LyX 2.3 and had to upgrade/maintain the Miktex
> configuration with its package manager to recover a working LyX 2.2.3.
> 
> So there is certainly a problem with the way LyX 2.3 interacts with Miktex.
> I had no problem of this kind with the LyX2.3RC 1 & 2.

Thanks for this detailed report, Emile. Take a look at this message:

  
https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid=20180228110424.6160469.4449.14790%40web.de

If you follow the instructions there (disabling the virus scanner, if
you feel comfortable enough to do so), does it then work? I do not know
why this is different from rc2. I hope we can figure that out.

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian]

This problem looks as if it may be related to the experiences of Elloh 
Van.


(I'm a Linux user, and dread to boot to Windows.)

On 02/27/2018 11:06 PM, Emile Lunardon wrote:


I had a big problem with the use of the new LyX 2.3 bundle.

The installation by itself went fine, side by side with the current 
LyX 2.2.3 version, using my existing local Miktex 2.9 distribution. 
But the compilation with LyX 2.3 of any document failed with a report 
of a problem on pdflatex.exe (something like missing program). I tried 
to reconfigure LyX 2.3 but the problem remained.
I then switched to LyX 2.2.3 and faced the same problem with in 
addition the reported missing of some document classes. It seemed that 
the Miktex configuration was corrupted.


I then uninstalled LyX 2.3 and had to upgrade/maintain the Miktex 
configuration with its package manager to recover a working LyX 2.2.3.


So there is certainly a problem with the way LyX 2.3 interacts with 
Miktex. I had no problem of this kind with the LyX2.3RC 1 & 2.


2018-02-27 23:12 GMT+01:00 Scott Kostyshak >:


Dear Windows users,

We received a report that the Windows installer lead to an error, so I
would like to get some more testing before we announce the release.

Can you test the installer for 2.3.0?

ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.3.0


If you test, which installer did you test: the "bundle" or the
"installer"?

Did you get a popup from the MiKTeX package manger during the
installation process? If you just close that popup, does everything
continue as normal?

Do you get any other errors? After you install it, are you able to
open
Help > User Guide and compile it without error?

Thanks,

Scott

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Emile Lunardon]

I had a big problem with the use of the new LyX 2.3 bundle.

The installation by itself went fine, side by side with the current LyX
2.2.3 version, using my existing local Miktex 2.9 distribution. But the
compilation with LyX 2.3 of any document failed with a report of a problem
on pdflatex.exe (something like missing program). I tried to reconfigure
LyX 2.3 but the problem remained.
I then switched to LyX 2.2.3 and faced the same problem with in addition
the reported missing of some document classes. It seemed that the Miktex
configuration was corrupted.

I then uninstalled LyX 2.3 and had to upgrade/maintain the Miktex
configuration with its package manager to recover a working LyX 2.2.3.

So there is certainly a problem with the way LyX 2.3 interacts with Miktex.
I had no problem of this kind with the LyX2.3RC 1 & 2.

2018-02-27 23:12 GMT+01:00 Scott Kostyshak :

> Dear Windows users,
>
> We received a report that the Windows installer lead to an error, so I
> would like to get some more testing before we announce the release.
>
> Can you test the installer for 2.3.0?
>
>   ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.3.0
>
> If you test, which installer did you test: the "bundle" or the
> "installer"?
>
> Did you get a popup from the MiKTeX package manger during the
> installation process? If you just close that popup, does everything
> continue as normal?
>
> Do you get any other errors? After you install it, are you able to open
> Help > User Guide and compile it without error?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>

Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 04:05:43AM +, Andrew Parsloe wrote:

> I had no problems with the installation (windows 7, installer rather than
> bundle). I always install offline to avoid possible hassles with the
> interaction with MiKTeX, which I keep up to date independently.

Good to know, thanks Andrew!

Scott


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Re: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Andrew Parsloe]

On 28/02/2018 11:12 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Dear Windows users,

We received a report that the Windows installer lead to an error, so I
would like to get some more testing before we announce the release.

Can you test the installer for 2.3.0?

   ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.3.0

If you test, which installer did you test: the "bundle" or the
"installer"?

Did you get a popup from the MiKTeX package manger during the
installation process? If you just close that popup, does everything
continue as normal?

Do you get any other errors? After you install it, are you able to open
Help > User Guide and compile it without error?

Thanks,

Scott
I had no problems with the installation (windows 7, installer rather 
than bundle). I always install offline to avoid possible hassles with 
the interaction with MiKTeX, which I keep up to date independently.


Andrew

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RE: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

[Sergio Celani]

Yesterday I installed lyx 2.3.0  without any problems.
(Win 10)

Sergio

De: Scott Kostyshak
Enviado: martes, 27 de febrero de 2018 19:13
Para: LyX Users
Asunto: Windows users: can you test the 2.3.0 installer?

Dear Windows users,

We received a report that the Windows installer lead to an error, so I
would like to get some more testing before we announce the release.

Can you test the installer for 2.3.0?

  ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.3.0

If you test, which installer did you test: the "bundle" or the
"installer"?

Did you get a popup from the MiKTeX package manger during the
installation process? If you just close that popup, does everything
continue as normal?

Do you get any other errors? After you install it, are you able to open
Help > User Guide and compile it without error?

Thanks,

Scott