Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Paul Smith

On 2/18/07, Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript update,
and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.

I changed the eps-pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images, but
they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
performed?


ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
ImageMagick.

Paul


Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Neal Becker
Paul Smith wrote:

 On 2/18/07, Neal Becker
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
 nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript
 update, and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.

 I changed the eps-pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images,
 but
 they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
 performed?
 
 ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
 images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
 quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
 Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
 ImageMagick.
 
 Paul

Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled at
all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to the
bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Neal Becker
Neal Becker wrote:

 Paul Smith wrote:
 
 On 2/18/07, Neal Becker
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
 nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript
 update, and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.

 I changed the eps-pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images,
 but
 they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
 performed?
 
 ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
 images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
 quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
 Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
 ImageMagick.
 
 Paul
 
 Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled at
 all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
 xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
 the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to the
 bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).

I also found that switching eps-pdf conversion to ps2pdf13, and then using
export to latex using ps2pdf, or dvipdfm, the graphic is fine.  Only using
export with pdflatex is broken.



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Georg Baum
Am Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007 17:26 schrieb Paul Smith:
 On 2/18/07, Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
 images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
 quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.

This is not necessarily true. Depending on the imagemagick and ghostscript 
versions and commandline flags imagemagick can convert vector eps to 
vector pdf.


Georg



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Georg Baum
Am Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007 18:31 schrieb Neal Becker:

 Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled 
at
 all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
 xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
 the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to 
the
 bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).

That is then probably an imagemagick problem. It can probably be fixed by 
using some commandline flags, but I would also suggest that you get a 
working ghostscript and epstopdf again.


Georg



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Neal Becker wrote:

Neal Becker wrote:


Paul Smith wrote:


On 2/18/07, Neal Becker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript
update, and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.

I changed the eps-pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images,
but
they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
performed?

ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
ImageMagick.

Paul

Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled at
all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to the
bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).


I also found that switching eps-pdf conversion to ps2pdf13, and then using
export to latex using ps2pdf, or dvipdfm, the graphic is fine.  Only using
export with pdflatex is broken.




First off, ImageMagick uses Ghostscript to convert EPS files.  So the GS 
installation can't be all that broken.


As to the clipping question, I assume that View-PDF (pdflatex) displays 
the incorrectly clipped image with the correct orientation (landscape). 
 Did you specify that the aspect ratio be preserved?  Does selecting 
(or deselecting) improve things?


/Paul



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Paul Smith

On 2/18/07, Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript update,
and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.

I changed the eps-pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images, but
they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
performed?


ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
ImageMagick.

Paul


Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Neal Becker
Paul Smith wrote:

 On 2/18/07, Neal Becker
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
 nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript
 update, and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.

 I changed the eps-pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images,
 but
 they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
 performed?
 
 ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
 images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
 quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
 Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
 ImageMagick.
 
 Paul

Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled at
all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to the
bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Neal Becker
Neal Becker wrote:

 Paul Smith wrote:
 
 On 2/18/07, Neal Becker
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
 nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript
 update, and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.

 I changed the eps-pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images,
 but
 they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
 performed?
 
 ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
 images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
 quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
 Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
 ImageMagick.
 
 Paul
 
 Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled at
 all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
 xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
 the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to the
 bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).

I also found that switching eps-pdf conversion to ps2pdf13, and then using
export to latex using ps2pdf, or dvipdfm, the graphic is fine.  Only using
export with pdflatex is broken.



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Georg Baum
Am Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007 17:26 schrieb Paul Smith:
 On 2/18/07, Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
 images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
 quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.

This is not necessarily true. Depending on the imagemagick and ghostscript 
versions and commandline flags imagemagick can convert vector eps to 
vector pdf.


Georg



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Georg Baum
Am Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007 18:31 schrieb Neal Becker:

 Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled 
at
 all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
 xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
 the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to 
the
 bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).

That is then probably an imagemagick problem. It can probably be fixed by 
using some commandline flags, but I would also suggest that you get a 
working ghostscript and epstopdf again.


Georg



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Neal Becker wrote:

Neal Becker wrote:


Paul Smith wrote:


On 2/18/07, Neal Becker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript
update, and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.

I changed the eps-pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images,
but
they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
performed?

ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
ImageMagick.

Paul

Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled at
all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to the
bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).


I also found that switching eps-pdf conversion to ps2pdf13, and then using
export to latex using ps2pdf, or dvipdfm, the graphic is fine.  Only using
export with pdflatex is broken.




First off, ImageMagick uses Ghostscript to convert EPS files.  So the GS 
installation can't be all that broken.


As to the clipping question, I assume that View-PDF (pdflatex) displays 
the incorrectly clipped image with the correct orientation (landscape). 
 Did you specify that the aspect ratio be preserved?  Does selecting 
(or deselecting) improve things?


/Paul



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Paul Smith

On 2/18/07, Neal Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript update,
and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.

I changed the eps->pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images, but
they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
performed?


ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
ImageMagick.

Paul


Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Neal Becker
Paul Smith wrote:

> On 2/18/07, Neal Becker
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
>> nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript
>> update, and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.
>>
>> I changed the eps->pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images,
>> but
>> they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
>> performed?
> 
> ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
> images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
> quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
> Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
> ImageMagick.
> 
> Paul

Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled at
all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to the
bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Neal Becker
Neal Becker wrote:

> Paul Smith wrote:
> 
>> On 2/18/07, Neal Becker
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
>>> nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript
>>> update, and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.
>>>
>>> I changed the eps->pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images,
>>> but
>>> they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
>>> performed?
>> 
>> ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
>> images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
>> quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
>> Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
>> ImageMagick.
>> 
>> Paul
> 
> Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled at
> all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
> xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
> the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to the
> bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).

I also found that switching eps->pdf conversion to ps2pdf13, and then using
export to latex using ps2pdf, or dvipdfm, the graphic is fine.  Only using
export with pdflatex is broken.



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Georg Baum
Am Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007 17:26 schrieb Paul Smith:
> On 2/18/07, Neal Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
> images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
> quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.

This is not necessarily true. Depending on the imagemagick and ghostscript 
versions and commandline flags imagemagick can convert vector eps to 
vector pdf.


Georg



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Georg Baum
Am Sonntag, 18. Februar 2007 18:31 schrieb Neal Becker:

> Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled 
at
> all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
> xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
> the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to 
the
> bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).

That is then probably an imagemagick problem. It can probably be fixed by 
using some commandline flags, but I would also suggest that you get a 
working ghostscript and epstopdf again.


Georg



Re: How does eps scaling work?

2007-02-18 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Neal Becker wrote:

Neal Becker wrote:


Paul Smith wrote:


On 2/18/07, Neal Becker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I now understand that the problems I've been seeing with graphics have
nothing to do with the 1.4.4 update, it is because of a ghostscript
update, and ghostscript is crashing in epstopdf.

I changed the eps->pdf to use ImageMagick's convert.  Now I have images,
but
they don't appear to be scaled correctly.  Where/how is the scaling
performed?

ImageMagick is a software suite to create, edit, and compose bitmap
images. Therefore, your images are converted to bitmaps and hence the
quality of scaling is bad because your images are no longer vectorial.
Perhaps, you should downgrade ghostscript, to use it instead of
ImageMagick.

Paul

Actually, it seems not that it's scaled badly, but that it isn't scaled at
all.  I set the scaling to 100% \text, which is what I always do.  The
xmgrace graphic is landscape (the default).  The lyx preview is fine, but
the pdf version has the graphic clipped.  I did not select clipping to the
bounding box (nor did I set a bounding box).


I also found that switching eps->pdf conversion to ps2pdf13, and then using
export to latex using ps2pdf, or dvipdfm, the graphic is fine.  Only using
export with pdflatex is broken.




First off, ImageMagick uses Ghostscript to convert EPS files.  So the GS 
installation can't be all that broken.


As to the clipping question, I assume that View->PDF (pdflatex) displays 
the incorrectly clipped image with the correct orientation (landscape). 
 Did you specify that the aspect ratio be preserved?  Does selecting 
(or deselecting) improve things?


/Paul