Re: lmodern?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-04-06, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.

 Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get
 vector fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by
 now, 

 There have been several lengthy discussions on this topic, and the
 consensus was that it made little sense to depart from LaTeX defaults;
 people unhappy with the default font should choose a different one.

No consensus could be reached, therefore no change.

LyX already departs from LaTeX defaults by changing the font encoding
from OT1 to T1. (See the line
  \usepackage[T1]{inputenc}
in the latex source's header.) With the LaTeX default OT1, you would get
vector fonts by default, but also faked accented Latin letters (like
öäü).

BTW: installing the CM-Super fonts would give you the CM-Super vector
font version of CM also with T1 font encoding automatically.

 at least I'd find an option on the document settings.

Lmodern is supported by the GUI already in 1.6.

I recommend activating this in your default template file(s).

People never requiring accented Latin letters could also configure the
font encoding setting in the preferences.

Günter

Re: lmodern?

[Sam Lewis]

 LyX already departs from LaTeX defaults by changing the font encoding
 from OT1 to T1. (See the line
   \usepackage[T1]{inputenc}

Is this not absurd for a default setting: I.e. T1 and CM? If the majority of 
users supposedly not primarily write in English, should it not be T1 + LM? If 
however most write in English should it not be OT1 + LM? Why bother with CM? Or 
am I missing something? Perhaps a survey might shed light on the situation.

Cheers, Sam

Re: lmodern?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Sam Lewis
stroboscopicallyconflu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 LyX already departs from LaTeX defaults by changing the font encoding
 from OT1 to T1. (See the line
   \usepackage[T1]{inputenc}

 Is this not absurd for a default setting: I.e. T1 and CM? If the majority of
 users supposedly not primarily write in English, should it not be T1 + LM? If
 however most write in English should it not be OT1 + LM? Why bother with CM? 
 Or
 am I missing something?

The status quo makes little sense for either case, but it's quite hard
to come up with a 'one size fits all' setting. The trouble is that
LaTeX classes can define default font settings, and they are not
universally CM. This means that pre-selecting LM is not a panacea: it
would distort default settings of classes that default to some non-CM
font.

But this was discussed at length. Please search the archives. Regards
Liviu


 Perhaps a survey might shed light on the situation.

 Cheers, Sam






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Re: lmodern?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-04-06, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.

 Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get
 vector fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by
 now, 

 There have been several lengthy discussions on this topic, and the
 consensus was that it made little sense to depart from LaTeX defaults;
 people unhappy with the default font should choose a different one.

No consensus could be reached, therefore no change.

LyX already departs from LaTeX defaults by changing the font encoding
from OT1 to T1. (See the line
  \usepackage[T1]{inputenc}
in the latex source's header.) With the LaTeX default OT1, you would get
vector fonts by default, but also faked accented Latin letters (like
öäü).

BTW: installing the CM-Super fonts would give you the CM-Super vector
font version of CM also with T1 font encoding automatically.

 at least I'd find an option on the document settings.

Lmodern is supported by the GUI already in 1.6.

I recommend activating this in your default template file(s).

People never requiring accented Latin letters could also configure the
font encoding setting in the preferences.

Günter

Re: lmodern?

[Sam Lewis]

 LyX already departs from LaTeX defaults by changing the font encoding
 from OT1 to T1. (See the line
   \usepackage[T1]{inputenc}

Is this not absurd for a default setting: I.e. T1 and CM? If the majority of 
users supposedly not primarily write in English, should it not be T1 + LM? If 
however most write in English should it not be OT1 + LM? Why bother with CM? Or 
am I missing something? Perhaps a survey might shed light on the situation.

Cheers, Sam

Re: lmodern?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Sam Lewis
stroboscopicallyconflu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 LyX already departs from LaTeX defaults by changing the font encoding
 from OT1 to T1. (See the line
   \usepackage[T1]{inputenc}

 Is this not absurd for a default setting: I.e. T1 and CM? If the majority of
 users supposedly not primarily write in English, should it not be T1 + LM? If
 however most write in English should it not be OT1 + LM? Why bother with CM? 
 Or
 am I missing something?

The status quo makes little sense for either case, but it's quite hard
to come up with a 'one size fits all' setting. The trouble is that
LaTeX classes can define default font settings, and they are not
universally CM. This means that pre-selecting LM is not a panacea: it
would distort default settings of classes that default to some non-CM
font.

But this was discussed at length. Please search the archives. Regards
Liviu


 Perhaps a survey might shed light on the situation.

 Cheers, Sam






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Do you know how to read?
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http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader
Do you know how to write?
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Re: lmodern?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-04-06, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Neal Becker <ndbeck...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.

>> Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get
>> vector fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by
>> now, 

> There have been several lengthy discussions on this topic, and the
> consensus was that it made little sense to depart from LaTeX defaults;
> people unhappy with the default font should choose a different one.

No consensus could be reached, therefore no change.

LyX already departs from LaTeX defaults by changing the font encoding
from OT1 to T1. (See the line
  \usepackage[T1]{inputenc}
in the latex source's header.) With the LaTeX default OT1, you would get
vector fonts by default, but also "faked" accented Latin letters (like
öäü).

BTW: installing the CM-Super fonts would give you the CM-Super vector
font version of CM also with T1 font encoding automatically.

>> at least I'd find an option on the document settings.

Lmodern is supported by the GUI already in 1.6.

I recommend activating this in your default template file(s).

People never requiring accented Latin letters could also configure the
font encoding setting in the preferences.

Günter

Re: lmodern?

[Sam Lewis]

> LyX already departs from LaTeX defaults by changing the font encoding
> from OT1 to T1. (See the line
>   \usepackage[T1]{inputenc}

Is this not absurd for a default setting: I.e. T1 and CM? If the majority of 
users supposedly not primarily write in English, should it not be T1 + LM? If 
however most write in English should it not be OT1 + LM? Why bother with CM? Or 
am I missing something? Perhaps a survey might shed light on the situation.

Cheers, Sam

Re: lmodern?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Sam Lewis
 wrote:
>
>> LyX already departs from LaTeX defaults by changing the font encoding
>> from OT1 to T1. (See the line
>>   \usepackage[T1]{inputenc}
>
> Is this not absurd for a default setting: I.e. T1 and CM? If the majority of
> users supposedly not primarily write in English, should it not be T1 + LM? If
> however most write in English should it not be OT1 + LM? Why bother with CM? 
> Or
> am I missing something?
>
The status quo makes little sense for either case, but it's quite hard
to come up with a 'one size fits all' setting. The trouble is that
LaTeX classes can define default font settings, and they are not
universally CM. This means that pre-selecting LM is not a panacea: it
would distort default settings of classes that default to some non-CM
font.

But this was discussed at length. Please search the archives. Regards
Liviu


> Perhaps a survey might shed light on the situation.
>
> Cheers, Sam
>
>
>



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lmodern?

[Neal Becker]

I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.

Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get vector 
fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by now, at least I'd 
find an option on the document settings.

Re: lmodern?

[Pavel Sanda]

Neal Becker wrote:
 I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.
 
 Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get vector 
 fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by now, at least 
 I'd 
 find an option on the document settings.

document-settings-fonts-latin modern roman
works even in 1.6.
p

Re: lmodern?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.

 Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get vector
 fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by now, at least 
 I'd
 find an option on the document settings.

There have been several lengthy discussions on this topic, and the
consensus was that it made little sense to depart from LaTeX defaults;
people unhappy with the default font should choose a different one.

Regards
Liviu

lmodern?

[Neal Becker]

I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.

Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get vector 
fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by now, at least I'd 
find an option on the document settings.

Re: lmodern?

[Pavel Sanda]

Neal Becker wrote:
 I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.
 
 Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get vector 
 fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by now, at least 
 I'd 
 find an option on the document settings.

document-settings-fonts-latin modern roman
works even in 1.6.
p

Re: lmodern?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.

 Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get vector
 fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by now, at least 
 I'd
 find an option on the document settings.

There have been several lengthy discussions on this topic, and the
consensus was that it made little sense to depart from LaTeX defaults;
people unhappy with the default font should choose a different one.

Regards
Liviu

lmodern?

[Neal Becker]

I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.

Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get vector 
fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by now, at least I'd 
find an option on the document settings.

Re: lmodern?

[Pavel Sanda]

Neal Becker wrote:
> I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.
> 
> Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get vector 
> fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by now, at least 
> I'd 
> find an option on the document settings.

document->settings->fonts->latin modern roman
works even in 1.6.
p

Re: lmodern?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Neal Becker <ndbeck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm trying lyx-2.0.0rc2.
>
> Do I still need to keep manually adding \usepackage{lmodern} to get vector
> fonts?  I would have hoped that if this wasn't the default by now, at least 
> I'd
> find an option on the document settings.
>
There have been several lengthy discussions on this topic, and the
consensus was that it made little sense to depart from LaTeX defaults;
people unhappy with the default font should choose a different one.

Regards
Liviu

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Dear Iwan,

2009/6/17 Barankay, Iwan baran...@wharton.upenn.edu

 Barankay, Iwan wrote:


 3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx
 or tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to
 this general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font
 in lyx - but may be I am too optimistic?
 Thanks,

 Iwan


You are not too optimistic. Really, it is easy. I am not a LaTeX guru and I
didn't install any additional font, as I said. But  this is not required
because it is very very easy to use different fonts.
You just have to add a few lines in the preamble of your document (in the
Document menu). Than in Characters you set the family: for example, if you
use utopia choose Family: Roman;  and then Roman: Predefined; Sans Serif:
Predefined. And that's all.
Here it is an example of the three lines I put at the beginning of the
preamble of a LyX document when I want to use utopia:
\usepackage{utopia}
\usepackage{berasans}
\renewcommand{\ttdefault}{lmtt}

Pierfranco

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Dear Iwan,

2009/6/17 Barankay, Iwan baran...@wharton.upenn.edu

 Barankay, Iwan wrote:


 3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx
 or tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to
 this general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font
 in lyx - but may be I am too optimistic?
 Thanks,

 Iwan


You are not too optimistic. Really, it is easy. I am not a LaTeX guru and I
didn't install any additional font, as I said. But  this is not required
because it is very very easy to use different fonts.
You just have to add a few lines in the preamble of your document (in the
Document menu). Than in Characters you set the family: for example, if you
use utopia choose Family: Roman;  and then Roman: Predefined; Sans Serif:
Predefined. And that's all.
Here it is an example of the three lines I put at the beginning of the
preamble of a LyX document when I want to use utopia:
\usepackage{utopia}
\usepackage{berasans}
\renewcommand{\ttdefault}{lmtt}

Pierfranco

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Dear Iwan,

2009/6/17 Barankay, Iwan 

> Barankay, Iwan wrote:
>
>
> 3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx
> or tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to
> this general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font
> in lyx - but may be I am too optimistic?
> Thanks,
>
> Iwan


You are not too optimistic. Really, it is easy. I am not a LaTeX guru and I
didn't install any additional font, as I said. But  this is not required
because it is very very easy to use different fonts.
You just have to add a few lines in the preamble of your document (in the
Document menu). Than in Characters you set the family: for example, if you
use utopia choose Family: Roman;  and then Roman: Predefined; Sans Serif:
Predefined. And that's all.
Here it is an example of the three lines I put at the beginning of the
preamble of a LyX document when I want to use utopia:
\usepackage{utopia}
\usepackage{berasans}
\renewcommand{\ttdefault}{lmtt}

Pierfranco

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Paul Smith]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Guenter Mildemi...@users.berlios.de wrote:
 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
 Any suggestions?

 Latin Modern is not screen optimized but designed for print.

 Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
 that suits your needs.

 http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

If you are on Linux, then use Okular as the pdf viewer. Latin Modern
looks great on Okular.

Paul

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Olivier Ripoll]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:

Hi,
I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default font. 
When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints fine 
but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing list but 
could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does not help). 
When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would really like to keep 
the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan



Hi,

You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because 
it's also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings 
('OS' in the widest meaning):
On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp 
on screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp 
with Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display 
modes in Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And 
there are yet other alternatives...
I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries 
(poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.


Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal 
answer. Good luck in your quest.


Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Hi all,

speaking of fonts, I could add my experience with LaTeX (LyX) using MAC OS X
and mostly Preview, that is the default PDF viewer on MAC computers.
Actually I have never used lmodern because it didn't look well on the
screen, as it has been said. After several trials I have found out that
these fonts were best both for screen reading and for printing. In the Roman
family: Charter, Fourier, Utopia. For the sans serif family I use berasans.
All these fonts are available through a standard LaTeX distribution, or at
least with a MAC OS X LaTeX distribution, so you don't need to install any
additional font.

best wishes

Pierfranco




2009/6/17 Olivier Ripoll durocortorum73-gm...@yahoo.fr

 Barankay, Iwan wrote:

 Hi,
 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default
 font. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It
 prints fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the
 mailing list but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the
 preamble does not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but
 I would really like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like
 it.
 Any suggestions?

 Thanks,

 Iwan


 Hi,

 You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because it's
 also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings ('OS' in
 the widest meaning):
 On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp on
 screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp with
 Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display modes in
 Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And there are yet
 other alternatives...
 I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries
 (poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.

 Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal
 answer. Good luck in your quest.

 Best regards,

 Olivier

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Barankay, Iwan]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:
 Hi,

 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=

 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=

  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=

 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=

  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=

 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.

 Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan


Hi,

Thanks for the informative suggestions. Let me may be clarify the issue:


1)  I wanted a font that looks sharp on screen and will do so on many people's 
screens: I want to post my pdf-document onto my webpage and want it to look 
good on many people's screen over which I don't have control. This seems to be 
a tall order but when I look at other people's documents, who may be much more 
proficient in Tex than I am, then their pdf documents, using e.g. fonts like 
the dcr10 look so sharp. Latin Modern, however, looks so thin and not sharp on 
screen.

2)  I wanted to keep the Latin Modern look but may be that may not be possible. 
I agree that Utopia or Times looks very sharp on screen.

3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx or 
tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to this 
general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font in lyx - 
but may be I am too optimistic?
Thanks,

Iwan

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Paul Smith]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Guenter Mildemi...@users.berlios.de wrote:
 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
 Any suggestions?

 Latin Modern is not screen optimized but designed for print.

 Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
 that suits your needs.

 http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

If you are on Linux, then use Okular as the pdf viewer. Latin Modern
looks great on Okular.

Paul

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Olivier Ripoll]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:

Hi,
I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default font. 
When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints fine 
but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing list but 
could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does not help). 
When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would really like to keep 
the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan



Hi,

You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because 
it's also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings 
('OS' in the widest meaning):
On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp 
on screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp 
with Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display 
modes in Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And 
there are yet other alternatives...
I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries 
(poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.


Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal 
answer. Good luck in your quest.


Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Hi all,

speaking of fonts, I could add my experience with LaTeX (LyX) using MAC OS X
and mostly Preview, that is the default PDF viewer on MAC computers.
Actually I have never used lmodern because it didn't look well on the
screen, as it has been said. After several trials I have found out that
these fonts were best both for screen reading and for printing. In the Roman
family: Charter, Fourier, Utopia. For the sans serif family I use berasans.
All these fonts are available through a standard LaTeX distribution, or at
least with a MAC OS X LaTeX distribution, so you don't need to install any
additional font.

best wishes

Pierfranco




2009/6/17 Olivier Ripoll durocortorum73-gm...@yahoo.fr

 Barankay, Iwan wrote:

 Hi,
 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default
 font. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It
 prints fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the
 mailing list but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the
 preamble does not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but
 I would really like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like
 it.
 Any suggestions?

 Thanks,

 Iwan


 Hi,

 You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because it's
 also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings ('OS' in
 the widest meaning):
 On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp on
 screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp with
 Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display modes in
 Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And there are yet
 other alternatives...
 I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries
 (poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.

 Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal
 answer. Good luck in your quest.

 Best regards,

 Olivier

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Barankay, Iwan]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:
 Hi,

 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=

 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=

  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=

 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=

  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=

 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.

 Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan


Hi,

Thanks for the informative suggestions. Let me may be clarify the issue:


1)  I wanted a font that looks sharp on screen and will do so on many people's 
screens: I want to post my pdf-document onto my webpage and want it to look 
good on many people's screen over which I don't have control. This seems to be 
a tall order but when I look at other people's documents, who may be much more 
proficient in Tex than I am, then their pdf documents, using e.g. fonts like 
the dcr10 look so sharp. Latin Modern, however, looks so thin and not sharp on 
screen.

2)  I wanted to keep the Latin Modern look but may be that may not be possible. 
I agree that Utopia or Times looks very sharp on screen.

3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx or 
tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to this 
general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font in lyx - 
but may be I am too optimistic?
Thanks,

Iwan

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Paul Smith]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Guenter Milde<mi...@users.berlios.de> wrote:
>> I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
>> nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
>>  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
>> ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
>>  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
>> ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Latin Modern is not "screen optimized" but designed for print.
>
> Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
> that suits your needs.
>
> http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

If you are on Linux, then use Okular as the pdf viewer. Latin Modern
looks great on Okular.

Paul

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Olivier Ripoll]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:

Hi,
I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default font. 
When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints fine 
but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing list but 
could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does not help). 
When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would really like to keep 
the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan



Hi,

You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because 
it's also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings 
('OS' in the widest meaning):
On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp 
on screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp 
with Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display 
modes in Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And 
there are yet other alternatives...
I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries 
(poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.


Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal 
answer. Good luck in your quest.


Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Pierfranco Minsenti]

Hi all,

speaking of fonts, I could add my experience with LaTeX (LyX) using MAC OS X
and mostly Preview, that is the default PDF viewer on MAC computers.
Actually I have never used lmodern because it didn't look well on the
screen, as it has been said. After several trials I have found out that
these fonts were best both for screen reading and for printing. In the Roman
family: Charter, Fourier, Utopia. For the sans serif family I use berasans.
All these fonts are available through a standard LaTeX distribution, or at
least with a MAC OS X LaTeX distribution, so you don't need to install any
additional font.

best wishes

Pierfranco




2009/6/17 Olivier Ripoll <durocortorum73-gm...@yahoo.fr>

> Barankay, Iwan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default
>> font. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It
>> prints fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the
>> mailing list but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the
>> preamble does not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but
>> I would really like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like
>> it.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Iwan
>>
>>
> Hi,
>
> You may have problems to find a font looking sharp everywhere, because it's
> also dependent on the viewer software (a lot) and some OS settings ('OS' in
> the widest meaning):
> On Windows XP, for example, pdf with latin modern sans-serif look sharp on
> screen when using Adobe Reader 8 or GSview, but do not look so sharp with
> Sumatra (0.9) or Foxit reader 3. There are two different display modes in
> Foxit (both not-good-looking) and three in Adobe Reader. And there are yet
> other alternatives...
> I guess it may be more uniform on linux, as most readers share libraries
> (poppler, etc.), but Foxit and Adobe Reader may still differ.
>
> Sorry for the somehow bad news, but I'm afraid there is no universal
> answer. Good luck in your quest.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Olivier
>
>

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Barankay, Iwan]

Barankay, Iwan wrote:
>> Hi,

>> I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=

>> nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=

>>  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=

>> ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=

>>  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=

>> ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.

>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>Thanks,

>>Iwan


Hi,

Thanks for the informative suggestions. Let me may be clarify the issue:


1)  I wanted a font that looks sharp on screen and will do so on many people's 
screens: I want to post my pdf-document onto my webpage and want it to look 
good on many people's screen over which I don't have control. This seems to be 
a tall order but when I look at other people's documents, who may be much more 
proficient in Tex than I am, then their pdf documents, using e.g. fonts like 
the dcr10 look so sharp. Latin Modern, however, looks so thin and not sharp on 
screen.

2)  I wanted to keep the Latin Modern look but may be that may not be possible. 
I agree that Utopia or Times looks very sharp on screen.

3)  I really wanted to save time and not have to learn the innards of lyx or 
tex on how to install fonts etc. thinking that there must be solution to this 
general problem given that Latin Modern Roman is the recommended font in lyx - 
but may be I am too optimistic?
Thanks,

Iwan

lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Barankay, Iwan]

Hi,
I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default font. 
When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints fine 
but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing list but 
could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does not help). 
When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would really like to keep 
the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-06-17, Barankay, Iwan wrote:

 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
 Any suggestions?

Latin Modern is not screen optimized but designed for print.

Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
that suits your needs.

http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

Günter

lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Barankay, Iwan]

Hi,
I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default font. 
When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints fine 
but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing list but 
could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does not help). 
When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would really like to keep 
the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-06-17, Barankay, Iwan wrote:

 I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
 nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
 ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
 ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
 Any suggestions?

Latin Modern is not screen optimized but designed for print.

Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
that suits your needs.

http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

Günter

lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Barankay, Iwan]

Hi,
I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default font. 
When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints fine 
but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing list but 
could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does not help). 
When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would really like to keep 
the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Iwan

Re: lmodern pdfs not sharp on-screen

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-06-17, Barankay, Iwan wrote:

> I am using the latest Lyx and chose lmodern (Latin Modern) as my default fo=
> nt. When I generate pdfs the font looks just not sharp on screen. It prints=
>  fine but I want it to look sharp on screen. I hunted through the mailing l=
> ist but could not find a solution (e.g. adding lmodern to the preamble does=
>  not help). When I use Times the pdfs look sharp on screen but I would real=
> ly like to keep the Latin Modern or something that looks like it.
> Any suggestions?

Latin Modern is not "screen optimized" but designed for print.

Have a look at the PDF examples in the TeX Font Catalogue and select a font
that suits your needs.

http://www.tug.dk/FontCatalogue/

Günter

Re: lmodern, ae and missing fonts

[Matej Cepl]

On Friday 17 of June 2005 18:01, Martijn Brouwer wrote:
 Which means that lm fonts are fine as long you only use a few
 common font sizes, I assume.

It is OK to use them for whatever -- extrapolation of the sizes 
not covered directly by the fonts is done by lmodern.sty (which 
is what you load with \usepackage{lmodern}) and by browsing 
through the list of files in lmodern package (dpkg -L lmodern on 
Debian) it seems that still you get much more fonts then with 
your average fonts (and possibly still more or at least the same 
number as with Adobe Professional fonts).

Best,

Matej

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support, rather than illumination.
  -- Andrew Lang

Re: lmodern, ae and missing fonts

[Matej Cepl]

On Friday 17 of June 2005 18:01, Martijn Brouwer wrote:
 Which means that lm fonts are fine as long you only use a few
 common font sizes, I assume.

It is OK to use them for whatever -- extrapolation of the sizes 
not covered directly by the fonts is done by lmodern.sty (which 
is what you load with \usepackage{lmodern}) and by browsing 
through the list of files in lmodern package (dpkg -L lmodern on 
Debian) it seems that still you get much more fonts then with 
your average fonts (and possibly still more or at least the same 
number as with Adobe Professional fonts).

Best,

Matej

-- 
Matej Cepl, http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/
GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB  25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC
138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488
 
He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for
support, rather than illumination.
  -- Andrew Lang

Re: lmodern, ae and missing fonts

[Matej Cepl]

On Friday 17 of June 2005 18:01, Martijn Brouwer wrote:
> Which means that lm fonts are fine as long you only use a few
> common font sizes, I assume.

It is OK to use them for whatever -- extrapolation of the sizes 
not covered directly by the fonts is done by lmodern.sty (which 
is what you load with \usepackage{lmodern}) and by browsing 
through the list of files in lmodern package (dpkg -L lmodern on 
Debian) it seems that still you get much more fonts then with 
your average fonts (and possibly still more or at least the same 
number as with Adobe Professional fonts).

Best,

Matej

-- 
Matej Cepl, http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/
GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB  25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC
138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488
 
He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for
support, rather than illumination.
  -- Andrew Lang

Re: lmodern, ae and missing fonts

[Matej Cepl]

Martijn Brouwer wrote:
 As far as I know type1 fonts (such as lmodern) scale just by multiplying
 the width and height by the same factor. The CM and EC fonts are scaled
 more subtle depending on the size. I assume that the lmodern fonts
 look the same as EC modern at all font sizes. How doest that work?

You are right, that expressibe abilities of Metafont are much bigger than
Type1's. Therefore there are two options how to create Type1 fonts
emulating Computer Modern fonts -- either just to select some most used
size of tons (which is I assume what lmodern does), or to generate A LOT of
Type1 fonts. There IS the font which does the latter
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/cm-super.html, but
the result is that fonts itself is huge (whole tarball with many thousands
fonts has over 70MB) and the resulting documents (if you use many fonts)
are big as well.

Matej
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Matej Cepl, http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej
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He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to
the dictionary.
  -- William Faulkner
 (about Ernest Hemingway)

Re: lmodern, ae and missing fonts

[Matej Cepl]

Martijn Brouwer wrote:
 As far as I know type1 fonts (such as lmodern) scale just by multiplying
 the width and height by the same factor. The CM and EC fonts are scaled
 more subtle depending on the size. I assume that the lmodern fonts
 look the same as EC modern at all font sizes. How doest that work?

You are right, that expressibe abilities of Metafont are much bigger than
Type1's. Therefore there are two options how to create Type1 fonts
emulating Computer Modern fonts -- either just to select some most used
size of tons (which is I assume what lmodern does), or to generate A LOT of
Type1 fonts. There IS the font which does the latter
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/cm-super.html, but
the result is that fonts itself is huge (whole tarball with many thousands
fonts has over 70MB) and the resulting documents (if you use many fonts)
are big as well.

Matej
-- 
Matej Cepl, http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej
GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB  25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC
138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488
 
He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to
the dictionary.
  -- William Faulkner
 (about Ernest Hemingway)

Re: lmodern, ae and missing fonts

[Matej Cepl]

Martijn Brouwer wrote:
> As far as I know type1 fonts (such as lmodern) scale just by multiplying
> the width and height by the same factor. The CM and EC fonts are scaled
> more subtle depending on the size. I assume that the lmodern fonts
> look the same as EC modern at all font sizes. How doest that work?

You are right, that expressibe abilities of Metafont are much bigger than
Type1's. Therefore there are two options how to create Type1 fonts
emulating Computer Modern fonts -- either just to select some most used
size of tons (which is I assume what lmodern does), or to generate A LOT of
Type1 fonts. There IS the font which does the latter
<http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/cm-super.html>, but
the result is that fonts itself is huge (whole tarball with many thousands
fonts has over 70MB) and the resulting documents (if you use many fonts)
are big as well.

Matej
-- 
Matej Cepl, http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej
GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB  25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC
138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488
 
He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to
the dictionary.
  -- William Faulkner
 (about Ernest Hemingway)

lmodern, ae and missing fonts

[Martijn Brouwer]

Hi,
I have finished my PhD thesis (Many thanks to all contributers to LyX).
When I went with my postscript file to the printer we found that the
resolution of the fonts was too small.

It turned out that I had the standard EC bitmap fonts with a resolution
of 600dpi.

After a day playing with latex and dvips I have now five versions of my
thesis:
1) With low resolution bitmap fonts
2) With higher resolution bitmap fonts (by defining another printer for
dvips)
3) With scalable CM (bluesky) fonts. For this I had to swith off T1
encoding
4) With scalable CM fonts and T1 encoding using the ae package
5) With scalable lmodern fonts

I have a few questions:
With Version 3-5, I cannot use large, bold, smallcaps font. Latex uses
the default font instead. I have worked around it by switching to large
small caps. Is there a way to get this combination of font attributes?

- Am I correct when I say that lmodern is to EC fonts what bluesky is to
CM?
- Why is ae considered bad? Because it is a pseudofont that performs
tricks to make accented glyphs?

I have concluded that lmfonts are the way to go. I only found this after
nearly a day searching internet, an experimentning. I think that LyX
should automatically load lmodern whan T1 encoding is used and the fonts
are available.

Bye,

Martijn Brouwer

lmodern, ae and missing fonts

[Martijn Brouwer]

Hi,
I have finished my PhD thesis (Many thanks to all contributers to LyX).
When I went with my postscript file to the printer we found that the
resolution of the fonts was too small.

It turned out that I had the standard EC bitmap fonts with a resolution
of 600dpi.

After a day playing with latex and dvips I have now five versions of my
thesis:
1) With low resolution bitmap fonts
2) With higher resolution bitmap fonts (by defining another printer for
dvips)
3) With scalable CM (bluesky) fonts. For this I had to swith off T1
encoding
4) With scalable CM fonts and T1 encoding using the ae package
5) With scalable lmodern fonts

I have a few questions:
With Version 3-5, I cannot use large, bold, smallcaps font. Latex uses
the default font instead. I have worked around it by switching to large
small caps. Is there a way to get this combination of font attributes?

- Am I correct when I say that lmodern is to EC fonts what bluesky is to
CM?
- Why is ae considered bad? Because it is a pseudofont that performs
tricks to make accented glyphs?

I have concluded that lmfonts are the way to go. I only found this after
nearly a day searching internet, an experimentning. I think that LyX
should automatically load lmodern whan T1 encoding is used and the fonts
are available.

Bye,

Martijn Brouwer

lmodern, ae and missing fonts

[Martijn Brouwer]

Hi,
I have finished my PhD thesis (Many thanks to all contributers to LyX).
When I went with my postscript file to the printer we found that the
resolution of the fonts was too small.

It turned out that I had the standard EC bitmap fonts with a resolution
of 600dpi.

After a day playing with latex and dvips I have now five versions of my
thesis:
1) With low resolution bitmap fonts
2) With higher resolution bitmap fonts (by defining another printer for
dvips)
3) With scalable CM (bluesky) fonts. For this I had to swith off T1
encoding
4) With scalable CM fonts and T1 encoding using the ae package
5) With scalable lmodern fonts

I have a few questions:
With Version 3-5, I cannot use large, bold, smallcaps font. Latex uses
the default font instead. I have worked around it by switching to large
small caps. Is there a way to get this combination of font attributes?

- Am I correct when I say that lmodern is to EC fonts what bluesky is to
CM?
- Why is ae considered bad? Because it is a pseudofont that performs
tricks to make accented glyphs?

I have concluded that lmfonts are the way to go. I only found this after
nearly a day searching internet, an experimentning. I think that LyX
should automatically load lmodern whan T1 encoding is used and the fonts
are available.

Bye,

Martijn Brouwer

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Angus Leeming wrote:
 I followed them exactly. No joy.

 $ cat updates.dat
 Main version number: teTeX-2.0
 $ updmap --enable Map lm.map
 using config file /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg
 /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg unchanged. Map files not recreated.

Hmm, difficult. Are all the files where they should be?
did you run texhash before the updmap script?
did you get any error or warning messages?

Try
updmap --disable lm.map
texhash
updmap --enable lm.map

Jürgen

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:

 Angus Leeming wrote:
 I followed them exactly. No joy.

 $ cat updates.dat
 Main version number: teTeX-2.0
 $ updmap --enable Map lm.map
 using config file /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg
 /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg unchanged. Map files not recreated.
 
 Hmm, difficult. Are all the files where they should be?

Yes.

 did you run texhash before the updmap script?

Yes.

 did you get any error or warning messages?

From texhash? No. From updmap? Just the warning you see above.

 Try
 updmap --disable lm.map
 texhash
 updmap --enable lm.map

Good idea. I'll try it this evening. (Home machine.)

-- 
Angus

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Angus Leeming wrote:
  Try
  updmap --disable lm.map
  texhash
  updmap --enable lm.map

updmap --enable Map lm.map


 Good idea. I'll try it this evening. (Home machine.)

If it fails, try and post a question to comp.text.tex.

Good luck,
Jürgen

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Angus Leeming wrote:
 I followed them exactly. No joy.

 $ cat updates.dat
 Main version number: teTeX-2.0
 $ updmap --enable Map lm.map
 using config file /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg
 /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg unchanged. Map files not recreated.

Hmm, difficult. Are all the files where they should be?
did you run texhash before the updmap script?
did you get any error or warning messages?

Try
updmap --disable lm.map
texhash
updmap --enable lm.map

Jürgen

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:

 Angus Leeming wrote:
 I followed them exactly. No joy.

 $ cat updates.dat
 Main version number: teTeX-2.0
 $ updmap --enable Map lm.map
 using config file /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg
 /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg unchanged. Map files not recreated.
 
 Hmm, difficult. Are all the files where they should be?

Yes.

 did you run texhash before the updmap script?

Yes.

 did you get any error or warning messages?

From texhash? No. From updmap? Just the warning you see above.

 Try
 updmap --disable lm.map
 texhash
 updmap --enable lm.map

Good idea. I'll try it this evening. (Home machine.)

-- 
Angus

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Angus Leeming wrote:
  Try
  updmap --disable lm.map
  texhash
  updmap --enable lm.map

updmap --enable Map lm.map


 Good idea. I'll try it this evening. (Home machine.)

If it fails, try and post a question to comp.text.tex.

Good luck,
Jürgen

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Angus Leeming wrote:
> I followed them exactly. No joy.
>
> $ cat updates.dat
> Main version number: teTeX-2.0
> $ updmap --enable Map lm.map
> using config file /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg
> /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg unchanged. Map files not recreated.

Hmm, difficult. Are all the files where they should be?
did you run texhash before the updmap script?
did you get any error or warning messages?

Try
updmap --disable lm.map
texhash
updmap --enable lm.map

Jürgen

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:

> Angus Leeming wrote:
>> I followed them exactly. No joy.
>>
>> $ cat updates.dat
>> Main version number: teTeX-2.0
>> $ updmap --enable Map lm.map
>> using config file /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg
>> /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg unchanged. Map files not recreated.
> 
> Hmm, difficult. Are all the files where they should be?

Yes.

> did you run texhash before the updmap script?

Yes.

> did you get any error or warning messages?

>From texhash? No. From updmap? Just the warning you see above.

> Try
> updmap --disable lm.map
> texhash
> updmap --enable lm.map

Good idea. I'll try it this evening. (Home machine.)

-- 
Angus

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Angus Leeming wrote:
> > Try
> > updmap --disable lm.map
> > texhash
> > updmap --enable lm.map

updmap --enable Map lm.map

>
> Good idea. I'll try it this evening. (Home machine.)

If it fails, try and post a question to comp.text.tex.

Good luck,
Jürgen

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Angus Leeming wrote:
 I'm no font guru, so I'd value some advice on how to get lmodern working on
 this box.

Did you follow the instructions given here?
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts

Jürgen

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:

 Angus Leeming wrote:
 I'm no font guru, so I'd value some advice on how to get lmodern working
 on this box.
 
 Did you follow the instructions given here?
 http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts

I followed them exactly. No joy.

$ cat updates.dat
Main version number: teTeX-2.0
$ updmap --enable Map lm.map
using config file /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg unchanged. Map files not recreated.

-- 
Angus

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Angus Leeming wrote:
 I'm no font guru, so I'd value some advice on how to get lmodern working on
 this box.

Did you follow the instructions given here?
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts

Jürgen

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:

 Angus Leeming wrote:
 I'm no font guru, so I'd value some advice on how to get lmodern working
 on this box.
 
 Did you follow the instructions given here?
 http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts

I followed them exactly. No joy.

$ cat updates.dat
Main version number: teTeX-2.0
$ updmap --enable Map lm.map
using config file /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg unchanged. Map files not recreated.

-- 
Angus

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

Angus Leeming wrote:
> I'm no font guru, so I'd value some advice on how to get lmodern working on
> this box.

Did you follow the instructions given here?
http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts

Jürgen

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

Juergen Spitzmueller wrote:

> Angus Leeming wrote:
>> I'm no font guru, so I'd value some advice on how to get lmodern working
>> on this box.
> 
> Did you follow the instructions given here?
> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts

I followed them exactly. No joy.

$ cat updates.dat
Main version number: teTeX-2.0
$ updmap --enable Map lm.map
using config file /usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg
/usr/share/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg unchanged. Map files not recreated.

-- 
Angus

lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

I'm having real problems using lmodern.sty on Fedora Core 3. Attached is a
sample .tex file and resulting .dvi and .ps output.

$ xdvi trial
kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode cx --bdpi 300 --mag 1+0/300 --dpi 300
cork-lmr10
mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for cork-lmr10.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
xdvi: Can't find font cork-lmr10; using Type1 version of cmr10 instead.

$ dvips trial
This is dvips(k) 5.92b Copyright 2002 Radical Eye Software
(www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 2005.05.21:1841' - trial.ps
kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode ljfzzz --bdpi 1200 --mag 1+0/1200 --dpi
1200cork-lmr10
mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for cork-lmr10.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
dvips: Font cork-lmr10 not found, characters will be left blank.
texc.pro. [1]

I've just downloaded the latest and greatest lm from ctan (tex/latex/lm, 
fonts/{afm,tfm,type1}/public/lm but the output is unchanged.

Eg, diffusion appears as di?usion.

I'm no font guru, so I'd value some advice on how to get lmodern working on
this box.

-- 
Angus

trial.dvi
Description: TeX dvi file


trial.ps
Description: PostScript document
\documentclass[english]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}

\usepackage{lmodern}
\usepackage{babel}

\begin{document}
lmodern output on Fedora Core 3 has real problems with ligatures.
E.g., diffusion. See the mess it makes of 2001--2002 and of --- shock
horror!
\end{document}

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

Angus Leeming wrote:
 Eg, diffusion appears as di?usion.

That's meant to be an oe ligature, not a ? character.

-- 
Angus

lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

I'm having real problems using lmodern.sty on Fedora Core 3. Attached is a
sample .tex file and resulting .dvi and .ps output.

$ xdvi trial
kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode cx --bdpi 300 --mag 1+0/300 --dpi 300
cork-lmr10
mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for cork-lmr10.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
xdvi: Can't find font cork-lmr10; using Type1 version of cmr10 instead.

$ dvips trial
This is dvips(k) 5.92b Copyright 2002 Radical Eye Software
(www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 2005.05.21:1841' - trial.ps
kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode ljfzzz --bdpi 1200 --mag 1+0/1200 --dpi
1200cork-lmr10
mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for cork-lmr10.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
dvips: Font cork-lmr10 not found, characters will be left blank.
texc.pro. [1]

I've just downloaded the latest and greatest lm from ctan (tex/latex/lm, 
fonts/{afm,tfm,type1}/public/lm but the output is unchanged.

Eg, diffusion appears as di?usion.

I'm no font guru, so I'd value some advice on how to get lmodern working on
this box.

-- 
Angus

trial.dvi
Description: TeX dvi file


trial.ps
Description: PostScript document
\documentclass[english]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}

\usepackage{lmodern}
\usepackage{babel}

\begin{document}
lmodern output on Fedora Core 3 has real problems with ligatures.
E.g., diffusion. See the mess it makes of 2001--2002 and of --- shock
horror!
\end{document}

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

Angus Leeming wrote:
 Eg, diffusion appears as di?usion.

That's meant to be an oe ligature, not a ? character.

-- 
Angus

lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

I'm having real problems using lmodern.sty on Fedora Core 3. Attached is a
sample .tex file and resulting .dvi and .ps output.

$ xdvi trial
kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode cx --bdpi 300 --mag 1+0/300 --dpi 300
cork-lmr10
mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for cork-lmr10.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
xdvi: Can't find font cork-lmr10; using Type1 version of cmr10 instead.

$ dvips trial
This is dvips(k) 5.92b Copyright 2002 Radical Eye Software
(www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 2005.05.21:1841' -> trial.ps
kpathsea: Running mktexpk --mfmode ljfzzz --bdpi 1200 --mag 1+0/1200 --dpi
1200cork-lmr10
mktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for cork-lmr10.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
dvips: Font cork-lmr10 not found, characters will be left blank.
. [1]

I've just downloaded the latest and greatest lm from ctan (tex/latex/lm, 
fonts/{afm,tfm,type1}/public/lm but the output is unchanged.

Eg, diffusion appears as di?usion.

I'm no font guru, so I'd value some advice on how to get lmodern working on
this box.

-- 
Angus

trial.dvi
Description: TeX dvi file


trial.ps
Description: PostScript document
\documentclass[english]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}

\usepackage{lmodern}
\usepackage{babel}

\begin{document}
lmodern output on Fedora Core 3 has real problems with ligatures.
E.g., diffusion. See the mess it makes of 2001--2002 and of --- shock
horror!
\end{document}

Re: lmodern problems of Fedora Core 3

[Angus Leeming]

Angus Leeming wrote:
> Eg, diffusion appears as di?usion.

That's meant to be an oe ligature, not a ? character.

-- 
Angus

lmodern, aka lost in font land

[Angus Leeming]

Let's not presume that I know what to do with these files:

-
The Latin Modern fonts can be freely used and distributed under the GNU
Public Licence (see http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php).

The fonts, as compared to the CM family, contain a lot of additional
characters, mainly accented ones, but not only. The list of fonts and
characters available so far can be found at the end of this file.

The package consists of the files in the directories
conforming to the TeX Directory Structure:
doc/  this info plus LaTeX examples (test files);
dvips/support files for dvips (enc, .map);
fonts/font files (.afm, .tfm, .pfm and .pfb);
tex/  the relevant LaTeX support files (very many thanks
  to Daniel Flippo and Marcin Woli\'nski).

There is one set of PostScript fonts and four sets of TeX Font Metric
files, corresponding to:
   -- Cork encoding (cork-*.tfm),
   -- QX encoding (qx-*.tfm),
   -- TeX'n'ANSI aka LY1 encoding (texnansi-*.tfm), and
   -- Text Companion for EC fonts aka TS1 (ts1-*.tfm).
It is presumed that a potential user knows what to do with all these files.
-

I'm running Fedora Core 1 here. I've grabbed lmodern_0.92.orig.tar.gz
(paradoxically from http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lmodern.html). It's
6.1MB in size.

It unpacks to:

lm/fonts/type1/public/lm/*.pf[bm]
lm/fonts/afm/public/lm/*.afm.gz
lm/fonts/tfm/public/lm/*.tfm
lm/dvips/lm/*.(enc,map}
lm/doc/fonts/lm/[the docs above and some 'test' docs.]
lm/tex/latex/lm/lmodern.sty, *.fd

I can shove lm/tex/latex/lm/lmodern.sty into my texmf tree and run texhash,
but I've no real idea what to do with the font files, or indeed, with the
files in lm/dvips/lm.

I see that I have a bunch of .afm fonts here:
/usr/share/fonts/afms/adobe
together with this:
/usr/share/fonts/afms/fonts.cache-1
which suggests that I should be updating some database or other. Who? What?
How?

I also find a bunch of .pfb fonts in subdirectories starting here:
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public
/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/

But, basically, I'm clueless. Can someone kind show me the way forward?

-- 
Angus

Re: lmodern, aka lost in font land

[Angus Leeming]

Angus Leeming wrote:

 Herbert Voss wrote:
 there is a good FAQ, maintained by Robin Fairbains of the UK TeX
 users group ;-)
 
 http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts
 
 Good man!

It went like a breeze. Thanks again.

-- 
Angus

lmodern, aka lost in font land

[Angus Leeming]

Let's not presume that I know what to do with these files:

-
The Latin Modern fonts can be freely used and distributed under the GNU
Public Licence (see http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php).

The fonts, as compared to the CM family, contain a lot of additional
characters, mainly accented ones, but not only. The list of fonts and
characters available so far can be found at the end of this file.

The package consists of the files in the directories
conforming to the TeX Directory Structure:
doc/  this info plus LaTeX examples (test files);
dvips/support files for dvips (enc, .map);
fonts/font files (.afm, .tfm, .pfm and .pfb);
tex/  the relevant LaTeX support files (very many thanks
  to Daniel Flippo and Marcin Woli\'nski).

There is one set of PostScript fonts and four sets of TeX Font Metric
files, corresponding to:
   -- Cork encoding (cork-*.tfm),
   -- QX encoding (qx-*.tfm),
   -- TeX'n'ANSI aka LY1 encoding (texnansi-*.tfm), and
   -- Text Companion for EC fonts aka TS1 (ts1-*.tfm).
It is presumed that a potential user knows what to do with all these files.
-

I'm running Fedora Core 1 here. I've grabbed lmodern_0.92.orig.tar.gz
(paradoxically from http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lmodern.html). It's
6.1MB in size.

It unpacks to:

lm/fonts/type1/public/lm/*.pf[bm]
lm/fonts/afm/public/lm/*.afm.gz
lm/fonts/tfm/public/lm/*.tfm
lm/dvips/lm/*.(enc,map}
lm/doc/fonts/lm/[the docs above and some 'test' docs.]
lm/tex/latex/lm/lmodern.sty, *.fd

I can shove lm/tex/latex/lm/lmodern.sty into my texmf tree and run texhash,
but I've no real idea what to do with the font files, or indeed, with the
files in lm/dvips/lm.

I see that I have a bunch of .afm fonts here:
/usr/share/fonts/afms/adobe
together with this:
/usr/share/fonts/afms/fonts.cache-1
which suggests that I should be updating some database or other. Who? What?
How?

I also find a bunch of .pfb fonts in subdirectories starting here:
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public
/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/

But, basically, I'm clueless. Can someone kind show me the way forward?

-- 
Angus

Re: lmodern, aka lost in font land

[Angus Leeming]

Angus Leeming wrote:

 Herbert Voss wrote:
 there is a good FAQ, maintained by Robin Fairbains of the UK TeX
 users group ;-)
 
 http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts
 
 Good man!

It went like a breeze. Thanks again.

-- 
Angus

lmodern, aka "lost in font land"

[Angus Leeming]

Let's not presume that I know what to do with these files:

-
The Latin Modern fonts can be freely used and distributed under the GNU
Public Licence (see http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php).

The fonts, as compared to the CM family, contain a lot of additional
characters, mainly accented ones, but not only. The list of fonts and
characters available so far can be found at the end of this file.

The package consists of the files in the directories
conforming to the TeX Directory Structure:
doc/  this info plus LaTeX examples (test files);
dvips/support files for dvips (enc, .map);
fonts/font files (.afm, .tfm, .pfm and .pfb);
tex/  the relevant LaTeX support files (very many thanks
  to Daniel Flippo and Marcin Woli\'nski).

There is one set of PostScript fonts and four sets of TeX Font Metric
files, corresponding to:
   -- Cork encoding (cork-*.tfm),
   -- QX encoding (qx-*.tfm),
   -- TeX'n'ANSI aka LY1 encoding (texnansi-*.tfm), and
   -- Text Companion for EC fonts aka TS1 (ts1-*.tfm).
It is presumed that a potential user knows what to do with all these files.
-

I'm running Fedora Core 1 here. I've grabbed lmodern_0.92.orig.tar.gz
(paradoxically from http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lmodern.html). It's
6.1MB in size.

It unpacks to:

lm/fonts/type1/public/lm/*.pf[bm]
lm/fonts/afm/public/lm/*.afm.gz
lm/fonts/tfm/public/lm/*.tfm
lm/dvips/lm/*.(enc,map}
lm/doc/fonts/lm/[the docs above and some 'test' docs.]
lm/tex/latex/lm/lmodern.sty, *.fd

I can shove lm/tex/latex/lm/lmodern.sty into my texmf tree and run texhash,
but I've no real idea what to do with the font files, or indeed, with the
files in lm/dvips/lm.

I see that I have a bunch of .afm fonts here:
/usr/share/fonts/afms/adobe
together with this:
/usr/share/fonts/afms/fonts.cache-1
which suggests that I should be updating some database or other. Who? What?
How?

I also find a bunch of .pfb fonts in subdirectories starting here:
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public
/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/

But, basically, I'm clueless. Can someone kind show me the way forward?

-- 
Angus

Re: lmodern, aka "lost in font land"

[Angus Leeming]

Angus Leeming wrote:

> Herbert Voss wrote:
>> there is a good FAQ, maintained by Robin Fairbains of the UK TeX
>> users group ;-)
>> 
>> http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts
> 
> Good man!

It went like a breeze. Thanks again.

-- 
Angus

install lmodern fonts

[John O'Gorman]

Where do you find the instructions for installing lmodern fonts?
I use teTeX under Linux.
John O'Gorman

Re: install lmodern fonts

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

John O'Gorman wrote:
 Where do you find the instructions for installing lmodern fonts?
 I use teTeX under Linux.

http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts

Regards,
Jürgen.

install lmodern fonts

[John O'Gorman]

Where do you find the instructions for installing lmodern fonts?
I use teTeX under Linux.
John O'Gorman

Re: install lmodern fonts

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

John O'Gorman wrote:
 Where do you find the instructions for installing lmodern fonts?
 I use teTeX under Linux.

http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts

Regards,
Jürgen.

install lmodern fonts

[John O'Gorman]

Where do you find the instructions for installing lmodern fonts?
I use teTeX under Linux.
John O'Gorman

Re: install lmodern fonts

[Juergen Spitzmueller]

John O'Gorman wrote:
> Where do you find the instructions for installing lmodern fonts?
> I use teTeX under Linux.

http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=uselmfonts

Regards,
Jürgen.