Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
I'm a bit surprised about the little discussion generated by our call to support cool projects. http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/calling-all-innovators/ http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/001090.html Was the call so casual that it ended up being unclear? We want to support a bunch of projects getting ready for primetime the same day maemo 5 is released. And we propose the community to help out selecting those projects. What kind of support? Whatever those cool projects under development need to be stable and exciting for real users. You tell us and we will do our best helping you. If you have questions ask. But don't let this for next week because we would like to have a list of proposals by the end of the month, decide soon the projects to support and start working with them. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New features in autobuilder and Extras Assistant
Even faster. Thanks! On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Wellu Mäkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 21 October 2008 23:41:09 ext Faheem Pervez wrote: Hi, I was able to use dput option -u to skip the signed check to upload a unsigned package successfully. ..or use allow_unsigned_uploads = 1 in /etc/dput.cf -- Wellu ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Quim Gil wrote: I'm a bit surprised about the little discussion generated by our call to support cool projects. Was the call so casual that it ended up being unclear? Well, to me it is a bit unclear how Nokia could help to specific projects. IMO all developers will benefit from - early SDK release(s) and documentation - somewhat accurate device emulation or developer device program (with devices reaching developer hands before end users) - in general as much information as possible preferably to everyone If we get this then no special help may be needed. What kind of support? Whatever those cool projects under development need to be stable and exciting for real users. You tell us and we will do our best helping you. Do you have anything specific on your mind? What kind of help Nokia expects to provide in this support project? Does it include @nokia.com developers who will help with porting specific code to newer OS? I guess not. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New features in autobuilder and Extras Assistant
On Tue, October 21, 2008 22:20, Eduardo Lima (Etrunko) wrote: On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Niels Breet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package signing no longer required. The autobuilder and Extras Assistant no longer require packages to be GPG signed. It seemed to cause a lot of grief for developers without any real benefits. This change is targetted to making uploading packages easier. Every uploader has to be authenticated to upload a package, so we can already trace back the uploader. The autobuilder signs packages which are moved into the repository. Ok, so you don't need to sign the packages anymore, but it won't hurt if you upload a signed package, isn't it? Of course not! :) My question here is concerning dput uploads. Is it still possible to upload packages using dput?? If this is the case, is GPG signing still required? We don't require it at all. So if you instruct your tools to allow it, you should be ok. -- Eduardo de Barros Lima INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Niels Breet maemo.org webmaster ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Quim Gil wrote: I'm a bit surprised about the little discussion generated by our call to support cool projects. Was the call so casual that it ended up being unclear? Well, to me it is a bit unclear how Nokia could help to specific projects. IMO all developers will benefit from - early SDK release(s) and documentation See timeline at http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle - somewhat accurate device emulation or developer device program (with devices reaching developer hands before end users) We are doing our best in the emulation front. Access to hardware before sales start is expensive and highly regulated. Nokia provides such access business-as-usual to certain developers, usually through commercial or research agreements with private or public organizations. Doing the same for individuals or small groups without a legal entity is something we could do in Maemo. But you see our point of working with a selected list of projects beforehand. - in general as much information as possible preferably to everyone Sure, I don't think information to everyone is the problem. If we get this then no special help may be needed. Then how do you explain that so many promising community projects fail in the last mile (or before)? Some developers look for more time, some projects look for certain skills, some look for more testing, more feedback, more help... What kind of support? Whatever those cool projects under development need to be stable and exciting for real users. You tell us and we will do our best helping you. Do you have anything specific on your mind? What kind of help Nokia expects to provide in this support project? Does it include @nokia.com developers who will help with porting specific code to newer OS? I guess not. Why not. Surely the work wouldn't be done by the Maemo SW developers busy stabilizing Fremantle, but why not funding someone else to work on that. Don't guess, propose! -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hello Quim, I am not sure where this list should be, but I suppose maemo wiki could be a good place: http://wiki.maemo.org/Projects_Nokia_should_support Sorry, I have added more than 5 projects and not everyone is a real existing project, but you can edit it and change whatever you want ;-) About 2008/10/22 Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm a bit surprised about the little discussion generated by our call to support cool projects. http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/calling-all-innovators/ http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/001090.html Was the call so casual that it ended up being unclear? We want to support a bunch of projects getting ready for primetime the same day maemo 5 is released. And we propose the community to help out selecting those projects. What kind of support? Whatever those cool projects under development need to be stable and exciting for real users. You tell us and we will do our best helping you. If you have questions ask. But don't let this for next week because we would like to have a list of proposals by the end of the month, decide soon the projects to support and start working with them. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi, Quim Gil wrote: I am not sure where this list should be, but I suppose maemo wiki could be a good place: http://wiki.maemo.org/Projects_Nokia_should_support In fact the place decided was http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Proposals_for_Fremantle_Stars It was referenced in one of the links sent in my previous email. You should probably move the relevant content to Remarkable_community_projects and delete your page to avoid duplication. I just took care of this. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Sorry, it was my fault, it already exists a page for proposals: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Proposals_for_Fremantle_Stars Thanks and best regards, 2008/10/22 Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Quim, I am not sure where this list should be, but I suppose maemo wiki could be a good place: http://wiki.maemo.org/Projects_Nokia_should_support Sorry, I have added more than 5 projects and not everyone is a real existing project, but you can edit it and change whatever you want ;-) About 2008/10/22 Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm a bit surprised about the little discussion generated by our call to support cool projects. http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/calling-all-innovators/ http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/001090.html Was the call so casual that it ended up being unclear? We want to support a bunch of projects getting ready for primetime the same day maemo 5 is released. And we propose the community to help out selecting those projects. What kind of support? Whatever those cool projects under development need to be stable and exciting for real users. You tell us and we will do our best helping you. If you have questions ask. But don't let this for next week because we would like to have a list of proposals by the end of the month, decide soon the projects to support and start working with them. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es -- J. Manrique López de la Fuente http://www.jsmanrique.es ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
ext Dave Neary wrote: I just took care of this. Good! Still the developer community at large should be involved. For instance, any list contains the usual suspects but there are 705 projects in the garage and probably something really good (and unknown for most of us today) could come out from this. Same for http://www.callingallinnovators.com/ - probably most of those projects don't know about the initiative and some of them have indeed chances to get something good from there. Should we send an email through the garage interface (just once) :) -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
quim, I obviously think Nokia can support my project. At present liqbase is a usable beta quality application (which just got added to extras after an extensive testing run), but I believe it could be so much more. I have spent the last 6 months putting together the building blocks of an expansive project with one simple goal: to make our tablets shine! It has grown into something which I am proud to use and to show to friends and which has features and abilities a lot of people thought would require new hardware to run. Its been (very) hard work so far, and has a lot of the seeds required to make full use of not just what we have now but also to expand into what we will get in the future (mantra: better camera.. better camera..) I already think (and so do many beta testers) that liqbase is a killer application, I pull it out and use it 20 times a day for such mundane things that I am constantly surprised at :) it is a consuming project and I have run out of time, I have ignored my family and I have drained myself physically. I cannot continue to build liqbase at night as a hobby, I have never built anything as large as this before and need help. I therefore ask Nokia publically and officially to allow me to extend this project both technically and financially. I am not a business man and I do not have the management experience to fully understand the metrics of the numerous directions liqbase can take, but know with a team around me we can make this work. Gary On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Quim Gil wrote: I'm a bit surprised about the little discussion generated by our call to support cool projects. Was the call so casual that it ended up being unclear? Well, to me it is a bit unclear how Nokia could help to specific projects. IMO all developers will benefit from - early SDK release(s) and documentation See timeline at http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle - somewhat accurate device emulation or developer device program (with devices reaching developer hands before end users) We are doing our best in the emulation front. Access to hardware before sales start is expensive and highly regulated. Nokia provides such access business-as-usual to certain developers, usually through commercial or research agreements with private or public organizations. Doing the same for individuals or small groups without a legal entity is something we could do in Maemo. But you see our point of working with a selected list of projects beforehand. - in general as much information as possible preferably to everyone Sure, I don't think information to everyone is the problem. If we get this then no special help may be needed. Then how do you explain that so many promising community projects fail in the last mile (or before)? Some developers look for more time, some projects look for certain skills, some look for more testing, more feedback, more help... What kind of support? Whatever those cool projects under development need to be stable and exciting for real users. You tell us and we will do our best helping you. Do you have anything specific on your mind? What kind of help Nokia expects to provide in this support project? Does it include @nokia.com developers who will help with porting specific code to newer OS? I guess not. Why not. Surely the work wouldn't be done by the Maemo SW developers busy stabilizing Fremantle, but why not funding someone else to work on that. Don't guess, propose! -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
ext Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente wrote: Hello Quim, I am not sure where this list should be, but I suppose maemo wiki could be a good place: http://wiki.maemo.org/Projects_Nokia_should_support In fact the place decided was http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects#Proposals_for_Fremantle_Stars It was referenced in one of the links sent in my previous email. You should probably move the relevant content to Remarkable_community_projects and delete your page to avoid duplication. Thank you for the action anyway. :) -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Frantisek Dufka wrote: this should be available to anyone who asks/subscribes (even to avoid duplicate effort for same issues of self-help from other developers). s/of/or/ 'even to avoid duplicate effort for same issues or allow self-help from other developers' ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Huh, the correction went through sooner than original text, here it is again, please disregard if you already have it. I don't see it in list archives or my maemo-developers received mail folder. Original Message Subject: Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:48:22 +0200 Quim Gil wrote: Access to hardware before sales start is expensive and highly regulated. I see. Well, even at the same time as end users would be very helpful (=posible discount codes working since day 1). Nokia provides such access business-as-usual to certain developers, usually through commercial or research agreements with private or public organizations. Doing the same for individuals or small groups without a legal entity is something we could do in Maemo. But you see our point of working with a selected list of projects beforehand. I see. Sounds great :-) Then how do you explain that so many promising community projects fail in the last mile (or before)? Some developers look for more time, some projects look for certain skills, some look for more testing, more feedback, more help... Yes but I am not sure targeting only selected group is ideal. Maybe we can have focused maemo-fremantle-porting mailing list or discussion forum or irc channel if maemo-developers is too noisy/broad for that. Having few skilled people watching it with greater care providing help you mentioned would be indeed nice. But this should be available to anyone who asks/subscribes (even to avoid duplicate effort for same issues of self-help from other developers). If you are afraid of too many people asking for help then those who help can perhaps decide what is worth of helping without doing the selection now. Does it include @nokia.com developers who will help with porting specific code to newer OS? I guess not. Why not. Surely the work wouldn't be done by the Maemo SW developers busy stabilizing Fremantle That was precisely what I wondered. Every competent developer will be busy chasing last minute bugs :-) , but why not funding someone else to work on that. Great so what about someone providing such support channel with answers, examples, testing and packaging help? maemo-developers is good even now, we have several great Nokia people here but if someone is funded to go the extra mile it may make some difference. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi, Quim Gil wrote: Should we send an email through the garage interface (just once) :) I'd be happy to send a mail - what would you like me to put in it? Essentially what you put in your blog post? Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Quim Gil wrote: Access to hardware before sales start is expensive and highly regulated. I see. Well, even at the same time as end users would be very helpful (=posible discount codes working since day 1). Nokia provides such access business-as-usual to certain developers, usually through commercial or research agreements with private or public organizations. Doing the same for individuals or small groups without a legal entity is something we could do in Maemo. But you see our point of working with a selected list of projects beforehand. I see. Sounds great :-) Then how do you explain that so many promising community projects fail in the last mile (or before)? Some developers look for more time, some projects look for certain skills, some look for more testing, more feedback, more help... Yes but I am not sure targeting only selected group is ideal. Maybe we can have focused maemo-fremantle-porting mailing list or discussion forum or irc channel if maemo-developers is too noisy/broad for that. Having few skilled people watching it with greater care providing help you mentioned would be indeed nice. But this should be available to anyone who asks/subscribes (even to avoid duplicate effort for same issues of self-help from other developers). If you are afraid of too many people asking for help then those who help can perhaps decide what is worth of helping without doing the selection now. Does it include @nokia.com developers who will help with porting specific code to newer OS? I guess not. Why not. Surely the work wouldn't be done by the Maemo SW developers busy stabilizing Fremantle That was precisely what I wondered. Every competent developer will be busy chasing last minute bugs :-) , but why not funding someone else to work on that. Great so what about someone providing such support channel with answers, examples, testing and packaging help? maemo-developers is good even now, we have several great Nokia people here but if someone is funded to go the extra mile it may make some difference. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
If you have questions ask. It would help me if you could reply to these questions: my possible project depends on the answers..! =0) 1. Will '5' have 3G, but not telephony APIs? - if so, is it possible that we'll be able to run VoIP over 3G? (!!!).. 2. Will '5' have OpenGL|ES 2.0 (not 1.1) drivers for the chipset (which will be the OMAP3430/PowerVR?) 3. Roughly when will the actual 'N820' (??) Maemo 5 handset be available? Cheers!=0) Duncan ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Quim Gil wrote: I'm a bit surprised about the little discussion generated by our call to support cool projects. Was the call so casual that it ended up being unclear? Well, to me it is a bit unclear how Nokia could help to specific projects. The same comment from me - I'm unsure exactly what you're expecting, what types of projects are elligible, whether existing projects can apply (or, on the contrary, cannot apply), etc. It's a little unclear whether it's targeting volunteer developers working on this in their spare time who might be interested in making a living on it, or companies who are working on free software, or volunteers who just want a hand, but are very happy staying volunteers. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
ext Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Frantisek Dufka wrote: Quim Gil wrote: I'm a bit surprised about the little discussion generated by our call to support cool projects. Was the call so casual that it ended up being unclear? Well, to me it is a bit unclear how Nokia could help to specific projects. The same comment from me - I'm unsure exactly what you're expecting, what types of projects are elligible, Still unsure? My fault, then. Let's put it like this: We want Maemo 5 explorers squeezing Fremantle and making amazing end-user ready products out of it. Whether existing projects can apply (or, on the contrary, cannot apply) Of course they can, but if an existing project in thinks 'we are done, it's just about porting/fixing bugs' then it is probably not the best candidate. Fresh thinking and more creativity is needed. It's a little unclear whether it's targeting volunteer developers working on this in their spare time who might be interested in making a living on it, or companies who are working on free software, or volunteers who just want a hand, but are very happy staying volunteers. We are referring here to community projects, which imply open planning and development. In practice this calls primarily to volunteers and open source code but maybe there are exceptions worth considering - you decide. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
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ext Duncan Cragg wrote: If you have questions ask. It would help me if you could reply to these questions: my possible project depends on the answers..! =0) 1. Will '5' have 3G, but not telephony APIs? - if so, is it possible that we'll be able to run VoIP over 3G? (!!!).. 2. Will '5' have OpenGL|ES 2.0 (not 1.1) drivers for the chipset (which will be the OMAP3430/PowerVR?) 3. Roughly when will the actual 'N820' (??) Maemo 5 handset be available? We can't answer those questions now, but how relevant is that. What can be said today is public already. In case of doubt submit your project. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
It's a little unclear whether it's targeting volunteer developers working on this in their spare time who might be interested in making a living on it, or companies who are working on free software, or volunteers who just want a hand, but are very happy staying volunteers. We are referring here to community projects, which imply open planning and development. In practice this calls primarily to volunteers and open source code but maybe there are exceptions worth considering - you decide. Sounds good, so where shall I lay out initial ideas for how I'd like maemo-barcode (name to be changed, suggestions welcome as part of this process) to move forward and to get suggestions and help in doing this? In the Garage project itself on its mailing list, or on some more visible page (in the wiki perhaps)? I'm all for this, my gut feeling about why projects never quite make it is that the (probably sole) developer runs out of time/motivation/moves on to other things; with collaboration there is more motivation for developers to keep working (moral support and karma) and even if someone drops out there are others to keep going with it. Financial support is always nice, but I do wonder how that will work with the idea of community collaboration and projects with multiple contributors. Certainly it would be good for specific (perhaps odious) tasks (vorbis on the DSP for example, as there's no other way to motivate it afaict) but perhaps not for applications unless they really are one-man projects. Cheers, Simon ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New features in autobuilder and Extras Assistant
Niels Breet wrote: This week we've added some new features to the autobuilder and Extras Assistant. I hope developers will like these changes: Rejecting packages when the exact version is uploaded for the second time. The autobuilder has been modified to reject a package when the same version is already available in the extras-devel repository. This change will force developers to increase their package version number after each successful upload and build. In the past we've had problems in the repository where a package was uploaded twice and caused 'Size Mismatch' errors[1]. Package signing no longer required. The autobuilder and Extras Assistant no longer require packages to be GPG signed. It seemed to cause a lot of grief for developers without any real benefits. This change is targetted to making uploading packages easier. Every uploader has to be authenticated to upload a package, so we can already trace back the uploader. The autobuilder signs packages which are moved into the repository. Upload to multiple repositories at the same time. You can now use the Extras Assistant[2] to upload a source package to chinook and diablo at the same time. No need to do two separate uploads anymore. This feature has been requested for quite some time, let's hope it helps. Good work. Thanks guys. -- Best Regards, Vlad Vasiliev ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi Quim, We want to support a bunch of projects getting ready for primetime the same day maemo 5 is released. And we propose the community to help out selecting those projects. What kind of support? Whatever those cool projects under development need to be stable and exciting for real users. You tell us and we will do our best helping you. I still don't know if I can propose an application that is not started yet. Just in case you don't remember, I explain my idea again. My goal is creating a GPS position sharing client. What this application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... 1) you register to a community website (we'll have to create this, we need a dedicated server for this application) 2) you start the client in your tablet and login using your username/password of the website 3) you start adding other people to your contact list and you choose if you want to share your GPS position with them (I suppose yes, else why you add them?? :P ) 4) At this point, when you walk around in your city, in your country ecc... and you're connected to internet (with UMTS you can be always connected, right? I use to be always connected using N810+N73+Tre Italy UMTS), you can share your position to your contact list. 5) You can also look in the MAP window and you can see where your friends are. Think about a situation like we were in Berlin: - Hey John! Where are you? -- Well... I'm... at that corner... don't know the street name... uhm let's try to get at McDonald... - Which one? There are at least 3-4 McDonald here! this is just an example where those two people could use it. I think there are lot of situation where real time gps position sharing could be usefull. Something similar already exist? Ok, let's discover it and improve it. It doesn't exist yet? Well let's code it! :) I see that something similar already exist, for example: http://www.mologogo.com/ but all these websites don't have a PUBLIC API. Public API is the most important thing to let other clients/applications ecc... interact with our service. We could create a Maemo client for the moment, but having a public API would mean someone could write a Symbian client too. I hope someone find this idea interesting. Please, don't limit to steal the idea, let's try to create this together. Best regards, -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
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ext Andrea Grandi wrote: I still don't know if I can propose an application that is not started yet. What counts is whether it can be a complete product when Maemo 5 is released. The beta SDK is expected to be available on March-May, do your math. What also counts is a developer or a team behind that you can trust. 12 totally unknown developers with a great and amazing idea count probably less that 1-2 guys known for developing A, B, C proposing something still cool but doable. This was discussed already at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/001143.html You might want also have a look at the rest of the thread starting at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/thread.html#1090 -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: New features in autobuilder and Extras Assistant
Very nice and much needed improvements! Thanks a lot, Luca Donaggio On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Vlad Vasiliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Niels Breet wrote: This week we've added some new features to the autobuilder and Extras Assistant. I hope developers will like these changes: Rejecting packages when the exact version is uploaded for the second time. The autobuilder has been modified to reject a package when the same version is already available in the extras-devel repository. This change will force developers to increase their package version number after each successful upload and build. In the past we've had problems in the repository where a package was uploaded twice and caused 'Size Mismatch' errors[1]. Package signing no longer required. The autobuilder and Extras Assistant no longer require packages to be GPG signed. It seemed to cause a lot of grief for developers without any real benefits. This change is targetted to making uploading packages easier. Every uploader has to be authenticated to upload a package, so we can already trace back the uploader. The autobuilder signs packages which are moved into the repository. Upload to multiple repositories at the same time. You can now use the Extras Assistant[2] to upload a source package to chinook and diablo at the same time. No need to do two separate uploads anymore. This feature has been requested for quite some time, let's hope it helps. Good work. Thanks guys. -- Best Regards, Vlad Vasiliev ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi, What counts is whether it can be a complete product when Maemo 5 is released. The beta SDK is expected to be available on March-May, do your math. What also counts is a developer or a team behind that you can trust. 12 totally unknown developers with a great and amazing idea count probably less that 1-2 guys known for developing A, B, C proposing something still cool but doable. at the moment I'm alone :( I don't have all the skills/know-how required to write and complete tha application for that time I think I should gather more developers, else it's impossible for me. -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
I still don't know if I can propose an application that is not started yet. Just in case you don't remember, I explain my idea again. My goal is creating a GPS position sharing client. What this application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... snip 3) you start adding other people to your contact list and you choose if you want to share your GPS position with them (I suppose yes, else why you add them?? :P ) There is already a method of providing location data over the XMPP/Jabber protocol which the built in messenger uses (thought it's not implemented at the moment): http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0119.html By using the existing IM infrastructure you'd not need to register anywhere, you just tell and obtain position info from your existing contacts (which is fine IMO, I don't want any old person, even if they register on some website to know my position). 4) At this point, when you walk around in your city, in your country ecc... and you're connected to internet (with UMTS you can be always connected, right? I use to be always connected using N810+N73+Tre Italy UMTS), you can share your position to your contact list. snip Think about a situation like we were in Berlin: - Hey John! Where are you? -- Well... I'm... at that corner... don't know the street name... uhm let's try to get at McDonald... - Which one? There are at least 3-4 McDonald here! this is just an example where those two people could use it. I think there are lot of situation where real time gps position sharing could be usefull. Yes, sounds nice. Though I'd focus on trying to find the beer gardens ;) I hope someone find this idea interesting. Please, don't limit to steal the idea, let's try to create this together. Quite, will presence data and for that matter GeoClue as a location provider be available in Freemantle? Cheers, Simon ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
3) you start adding other people to your contact list and you choose if you want to share your GPS position with them (I suppose yes, else why you add them?? :P ) There is already a method of providing location data over the XMPP/Jabber protocol which the built in messenger uses (thought it's not implemented at the moment): http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0119.html Sorry, should probably be this one: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html Simon ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
[Sorry Quim, that was for the list...] Isn't it more logical to wait for the alpha SDK before we start projects for Fremantle? At least i don't have right now enough knowledge on the maemo 5 platform and what i can do with it. I can start a project now (or more likely renew/retarget existing one), but what will happen if the platform can't handle it later? Regards: Bundyo On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Andrea Grandi wrote: I still don't know if I can propose an application that is not started yet. What counts is whether it can be a complete product when Maemo 5 is released. The beta SDK is expected to be available on March-May, do your math. What also counts is a developer or a team behind that you can trust. 12 totally unknown developers with a great and amazing idea count probably less that 1-2 guys known for developing A, B, C proposing something still cool but doable. This was discussed already at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/001143.html You might want also have a look at the rest of the thread starting at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/thread.html#1090 -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi, 2008/10/22 Kamen Bundev [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Sorry Quim, that was for the list...] Isn't it more logical to wait for the alpha SDK before we start projects for Fremantle? At least i don't have right now enough knowledge on the maemo 5 platform and what i can do with it. I can start a project now (or more likely renew/retarget existing one), but what will happen if the platform can't handle it later? very interesting question :) -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi 2008/10/22 Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi My goal is creating a GPS position sharing client. What this application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... did you see fireeagle? http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/ much easier to use this than write something from scratch that's cool! I'll read the docs! It's exactly what I want :) This could save me/us a lot of time! The server part is already done :) -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Kamen Bundev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it more logical to wait for the alpha SDK before we start projects for Fremantle? At least i don't have right now enough knowledge on the maemo 5 platform and what i can do with it. I can start a project now (or more likely renew/retarget existing one), but what will happen if the platform can't handle it later? Indeed. I have one or two thoughts on a Fremantle-based, Clutter-using application. I *hope* to start experimenting on it before the SDK arrives (learning Clutter, testing out structures in SQLite etc), but Sod's Law says that I'm unlikely to find the time or inclination to do anything on it until December. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bleb.org/ maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi My goal is creating a GPS position sharing client. What this application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... did you see fireeagle? http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/ much easier to use this than write something from scratch Ian -- http://ianlawrence.info ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Uff I really don't like the point 3 of the Yahoo Terms of Service: 3. FEES AND PAYMENTS Yahoo! reserves the right to charge fees for future use of or access to the Fire Eagle Service, or other Yahoo! services and web sites, in Yahoo!'s sole discretion. If Yahoo! decides to charge fees, such charges will be disclosed to you in advance. :( 2008/10/22 Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi My goal is creating a GPS position sharing client. What this application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... did you see fireeagle? http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/ much easier to use this than write something from scratch Ian -- http://ianlawrence.info -- Andrea Grandi email: a.grandi [AT] gmail [DOT] com website: http://www.andreagrandi.it PGP Key: http://www.andreagrandi.it/pgp_key.asc ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi, On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 13:14 +0200, ext Andrea Grandi wrote: Hi Quim, We want to support a bunch of projects getting ready for primetime the same day maemo 5 is released. And we propose the community to help out selecting those projects. What kind of support? Whatever those cool projects under development need to be stable and exciting for real users. You tell us and we will do our best helping you. I still don't know if I can propose an application that is not started yet. Just in case you don't remember, I explain my idea again. My goal is creating a GPS position sharing client. What this application will do? I try to explain in few simple steps... We at INdT/Openbossa labs are developing Carman, and one of its features included on the next release (already available at extras-devel!) is InfoSharing. Basically, you connect to a XMPP-based account and share your GPS/OBD (such as GPS coordinates, current speed, RPM) data with your friends. Another user using Carman could share its information with you also. You can, for example, play rally with each other :) Check our website: http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/ Cheers, -- Bruno de Oliveira Abinader Mobile Linux Solutions - MLS Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia - INdT Tel: +55 92 21261068 Mobile: +55 92 84147105 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: install and run maemo mapper
Hi I successfully managed to get maemo-mapper run on scratch box. I'd like to share this experience so that it is useful to others. Any suggestion and comment are welcomed, too. First, install Maemo SDK VMWare Appliance, 0.8 (http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/). start the virtual machine. add to /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/DIABLO_X86/etc/apt/sources.list deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free click the maemo scratchbox Environment icon on desktop. sbox-DIABLO_x86apt-get update sbox-DIABLO_x86af-sb-init.sh start (Opening a new window seems very slow but it will show up correctly if given enough time) sbox-DIABLO_x86apt-get install maemo-mapper (this is the trick to install an application hosted in repository. Using maemo-mapper as an example, there are many releases, I do not know which one to use. I let the apt-get to select the correct one and resolve the dependency) sbox-DIABLO_x86run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/maemo-mapper (remember opening new window is slow. When maemo-mapper is used first time, it will open several dialogs for configuration. The start process will be slow. I am trying to use the maemo-mapper in scratchbox to download map and transfer them to tablet. I tried my own SDK installation instead of VMWare appliance with the above procedure. The maemo-mapper started properly. But it can not download map. -jason jason zhang wrote: Hi, all I installed maemo mapper to my tablet. It is too difficult to pre-fetch big map. The downloading dialog often stops halfway. Can I run mameo mapper in the scratchbox+maemo sdk, download the map and transfer the map to my tablet? If this is doable, how can I install maemo mapper to one of my target : DIABLO_X86? thanks -jason ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi, Quim Gil wrote: ext Dave Neary wrote: It's a little unclear whether it's targeting volunteer developers working on this in their spare time who might be interested in making a living on it, or companies who are working on free software, or volunteers who just want a hand, but are very happy staying volunteers. We are referring here to community projects, which imply open planning and development. In practice this calls primarily to volunteers and open source code but maybe there are exceptions worth considering - you decide. So, as long as the project is free software, all 3? Companies looking to have development funded, developers looking to make a living off their project, and other volunteer developers looking simply for more help are all in your target group? Again, the question is something like: what's the result of being selected as a winner? Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Hi, Xournal has already been inserted in the list of proposed Fremantle apps. Just waiting for the final list to be ... final. I'll continue my work on Xournal anyway, but knowing that it is among the Star applications for Maemo 5, would surely boost the time I would spend on it. :-) Aniello On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a bit surprised about the little discussion generated by our call to support cool projects. http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/calling-all-innovators/ http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/001090.html Was the call so casual that it ended up being unclear? We want to support a bunch of projects getting ready for primetime the same day maemo 5 is released. And we propose the community to help out selecting those projects. What kind of support? Whatever those cool projects under development need to be stable and exciting for real users. You tell us and we will do our best helping you. If you have questions ask. But don't let this for next week because we would like to have a list of proposals by the end of the month, decide soon the projects to support and start working with them. -- Quim Gil marketing manager, open source Maemo Software @ Nokia ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers -- anidel ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
printing logs (printf) when application starts from menu
Dear community, I wrote an application named My_app that plays audio and also records voice from microphone. I usually use this application from command prompt. There are lots of printfs in it for debugging purpose which gets printed on terminal when the application is run. I just put the application in the start menu and it does not behave properly as it should. More particularly the recording from mic is problematic. I have no way of accessing the printf at present as the application is starting from Start Menu - Extras - My_app Is there any way that I can get this printf printed in some file when I start this application from the menu. It will be still much better if I can open another window and it keeps printing the printf even when I start My_app from the menu. Thanx in advance. regards, Mrukant Popat Technology Consultant Pioneer Electronics Silicon Valley, CA, US ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
python gtkhtml problem
Hi! I have problem with import gtkhtml in python. I'm getting this: Traceback (most recent call last): File simple-browser.py, line 1, in ? import gtkhtml2 ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2 I have scratchbox 4.0.1 and maemo-sdk 4.1 I installed python2.5-sdk, python2.5-gtk2,python2.5-gtk2-dev, python-gtkhtml2, python2.5-gnome, python2.5-gnome2, python2.5-gnome2-extras, python2.5-gnome2- extras-dev Why python can't find gtkhtml? I found these in google, that packages solved this problem (not on maemo), but i'm still getting that error-message. My friends and me trying to write a browser on maemo, first we tried write in C, but in python, it seems to be much more simplier. Maybe an other language would better choise? Thank you! (sorry for my english) -- ZeerOcooL ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
Quim, and of course let us allow that those 1 or 2 could include girls as well as guys. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Quim Gil wrote: ext Andrea Grandi wrote: I still don't know if I can propose an application that is not started yet. What counts is whether it can be a complete product when Maemo 5 is released. The beta SDK is expected to be available on March-May, do your math. What also counts is a developer or a team behind that you can trust. 12 totally unknown developers with a great and amazing idea count probably less that 1-2 guys known for developing A, B, C proposing something still cool but doable. This was discussed already at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/001143.html You might want also have a look at the rest of the thread starting at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-October/thread.html#1090 ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Request internet connection with python
I'm curious about this problem, as I'm trying to use the same library but I'd prefer not to have to manage the archaic and poorly documented icd-dbus interface. I'm pulling the source for this library now to try and make progress, but did you figure out anything aside from the (slightly wonky) workaround? Thanks! On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Hermann Lacheiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've also seen this problem. It never worked, even on chinook. As a workaround I am listening now for the status_changed signal of the com.nokia.icd dbus service. Strangely I get an DBusException when registering: /com/nokia/icd: Unsupported interface or method but nevertheless the signal handler is called on status change. Cheers, hermann ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
