Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.
It is not necessary to cc: me. I get list emails. Emails can go to the list, unless you wish to take something private. Thank you. On 5/7/14, 10:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: If you just want to vent, please say so. I thought you were asking for help. Then please work on your phrasing. You sounded very judgmental. Are you...*snip*...punishing them with a black hole They can always BCC and you'll never know! They apparently set the max_num_recipients to 2 to help prevent spam from making it onto the lists, as SA is fine and all, but is generally crap for catching short URI spam. And, again, what rules my list owners choose to have on their lists is not my business, but frankly, I see nothing *wrong* with this, and it makes a metric f*ckton of sense to me given the number of AOL and Yahoo subscribers on some of the lists. Which makes this whole DMARC stuff such an effing joke. If you want help, then the questions I asked are essential to doing a good job for your list owners. There are two reasons for that. If I felt what my users were asking for was unreasonable, I wouldn't have bothered to bring it here. They'd *like* to see who's posting so if they *choose* to reply privately they can. In the past, this was easy enough. The From: line was there with the OP's email address. Now, as far as I can tell, depending on the MUA the *poster* uses, there *might* be two Reply-Tos--one with the OP email, one with the list address. But that's not reliable, as it doesn't happen for ALL posters. Hell, even a munged From: like: ges+lists at wingfoot dot org via Mailman-Users mailman-users@python.org would be a vast improvement over: ges+lists--- via Mailman-Users mailman-users@python.org Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.
On 5/7/14, 12:08 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: What is the intent of the restriction? Are you trying to get the users to use reply to author by punishing them with a black hole if they don't, and then set Reply-To to list-post so that nobody ever gets a personal reply? Or is this intended to prevent people from including 3rd parties in the OP (of course, you can't -- they can always BCC and you'll never know)? What my list owners want out of my lists, and what rules they decide on for their lists, is not my business. By extension, it is not yours. I provide them email lists, they ask for things that seem reasonable to me. When those things suddenly are yanked away, they complain, and I'm left holding the bag of trying to answer why. Your attempt to explain away the request by making it sound like some kind of absurd policy is disingenuous at best. I suppose your users would get upset if you used dmarc_moderation_action = 'Wrap Message' instead of whichever_option = 'Mung From'? Some use mobile devices. So there's the answer to that question. Given Mark's reply, probably you'll need use a custom Handler, whatever the requirements. Is that acceptable (ie, you have the necessary accesses)? N.B. It's possible to restrict use of Handlers to particular lists by giving them list-specific pipelines. I'm just trying to see if there are better options out there. This DMARC stuff is ridiculous. The providers aren't being blamed for this, we (the mailing-list providers) are. Doesn't help that the users on services responsible for the DMARC p=reject stuff aren't getting the bounces, it's other people whose ISPs are respecting it who are, and they're the ones who get bounced off of lists because it's *their* bounce score that gets increased. It's ridiculous. And I want to know why, exactly, Yahoo Groups isn't being affected by this. They're not doing the via YahooGroup bit, or wrapping their mails. :-\ I'm betting they're not even honoring the DMARC from other providers. *sigh* I hate this frustration. Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.
Greetings... So I run a bunch of mailing lists, with a bunch of people who are not technically adept whatsoever. (I am not getting list posts! That's because you set yourself to no mail What's no mail? It means you set yourself to be a member of the list, but not to get any email from it. Oh that's good. So we're good then? But why am I not getting any emails from the list? *headdesk*--yes this was an actual conversation with a user.) People are, of course, bitching about the from_is_list setting removing the email addresses of people who are sending email to the lists. (And people aren't quite understanding that it's helpful to sign one's emails, etc. So I updated to 2.1.18-1 today. Now we have a Reply-To that has the poster's email and the list's email address. A few of the lists I run block emails with more than one recipient, so now this is going to be an adventure. (Ok, more like a nightmare, as right now it appears my choices are make reply-to only the list (anonymous_list) or make reply-to the poster and the list.) I wonder if this solution might be more helpful here--something like what Google Groups is doing. Changing the From line to this: 'First Last firstl...@domain.com' via List Title list-addr...@googlegroups.com This still shows the poster's email address (as the Real Name), which makes it easier for people to reply privately if they choose, and still addresses the DMARC issue. Thoughts? Ideas? Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.
On 5/6/14, 4:29 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Do you mean Privacy options... - Recipient filters - max_num_recipients = 2 If so, ouch, but what do you do now when people reply-all to posts. Don't those replies get held? Indeed. They get rejected. Policy on a couple particular lists. No cc's, no using the address on web-forms (i.e. greeting card sites) etc. This is specifically advised against by the DMARC community. See the NOTE: in the Requirements: section at http://www.dmarc.org/supplemental/mailman-project-mlm-dmarc-reqs.html. Fair enough. So, basically I'm fsck'd. Set the lists to be anonymous_list or set an explicit reply-to to be the lists and hope that strips out the extraneous reply-to entry. Or, as you said above, ouch and having to deal with a metric crapton of ID-10t users not cleaning up the To: line when they reply and dealing with clearing the moderation queue since we can't edit posts held for moderation easily. Best, --G. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Reply-To lines with from_is_list munging.
On 5/6/14, 5:31 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I went back and forth with this. Initially, if first_strip_reply_to was Yes and reply_goes_to_list was This list or Explicit address, I didn't put the poster's address in Reply-To: I finally decided it was of overriding importance to expose the posters address to enable off list (or non-list member) replies, and this warranted breaking the previous Reply-To: header munging options semantics. I am willing to consider changing this, either to treat Reply-To: differently for Wrap Message since the original headers are in the wrapped message in that case, or to just go back to not adding the poster's address to Reply-To: as in my initial paragraph above. However, I need more feedback from the community before making changes. I could always add yet another setting, but I hate that idea for multiple reasons. Can there be an option somewhere in between anonymous_list and reply_goes_to_list? One where it can strip the poster's email from the reply-to, but leave the other headers alone? Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Introduction
On 12/8/13, 1:52 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote: Furthermore, you would lose any other information such as list archives stored in Yahoo. ...Unless you're snazzy with a system that runs Perl and you can run Yahoo2mbox to export the archives. Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to adjust the frequency of moderation notifications?
On 10/7/13 1:06 PM, Javad Hoseini-Nopendar wrote: Hello When one of the posts is waiting for moderation, Mailman keeps sending me a reminder every few days. What can I do so not to receive the reminder so often? For example I want to receive only weekly reminders or once every two weeks. I mean I want an immediate notification when there is a post pending for moderation, but the reminder should be sent only every two weeks. It's even OK if Mailman does not send any reminders after the first notification. This is a crontab entry, so simply adjust the checkdbs crontab entry... Become root and: # crontab -e -u mailman The crontab editor will pop up, and you will see an entry like this in the list, change it as necessary for your needs: # At 8AM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests. # They are less likely to ignore these reminders if they're mailed # early in the morning, but of course, this is local time... ;) 0 8 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs For notes on how to use cron: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/06/15-practical-crontab-examples/ (The above entry will run at the 0th minute of the 8th hour of every day as it reads...) Good luck! Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] finding moderators of a list
On 2/23/12 2:22 PM, Hone, Don wrote: Is there a way as list owner or as system admin, to sort a mailman membership list based on whether someone's moderation flag is set, or perhaps export that list into a format that includes all of the various option columns that could then dump into Excel? We have a list of over 700 members and it would take some time to click through and look at each page manually to find out who has the Mod box unchecked. Using Mailman version: 2.1.9 There is no mod box in Mailman 2. If you have access to the shell on the box that Mailman is running on, you can do this: $ list_owners -wm That will give you the lists, who the owners and the moderators are. Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] finding moderators of a list
On 2/23/12 2:35 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: Hone, Don wrote: Is there a way as list owner or as system admin, to sort a mailman membership list based on whether someone's moderation flag is set, or perhaps export that list into a format that includes all of the various option columns that could then dump into Excel? We have a list of over 700 members and it would take some time to click through and look at each page manually to find out who has the Mod box unchecked. See http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/list_mod.py and http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers.py (mirrored at http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~msapiro/scripts/list_mod.py and http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~msapiro/scripts/mailman-subscribers.py). D'oh. I misread that as someone who is a moderator not someone who is moderated :) --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/listinfo page URL gets changed to /mailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/
Have you tried this? (First delete that Alias, it's not going to work.) ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ (Substitute your $DOCROOT for /usr/local/ above...) Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/listinfo page URL gets changed to /mailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/listinfomailman/
On 11/28/11 3:59 PM, Tim O'Neal wrote: In any case, it didn't work and gave me the same results. Here are my aliases, (BTW, my listserver is behind a firewall). Alias /pipermail/ /web/lists.suffolk.edu/DocumentRoot/archives/public/ Alias /icons/ /web/lists.suffolk.edu/DocumentRoot/icons/ ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /web/lists.suffolk.edu/DocumentRoot/cgi-bin/ ScriptAlias /mailman/ /web/lists.suffolk.edu/DocumentRoot/cgi-bin/ Well, the problem here is that your ScriptAlias for /mailman/ needs to point to *mailman's* cgi-bin directory. In FreeBSD, on my system, for example, it is where I showed you.. /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ So unless mailman's cgi-bin directory is in /web/lists.suffolk.edu/DocumentRoot/cgi-bin. Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] User management via email?
On 8/3/11 2:35 PM, Chase, Edward wrote: I thought that I had done this task as part of my initial testing, but I cannot find that I documented that at all. My Google-fu is coming up very empty on the subject. I've found a number of people asking the same question with few replies. The best I found was a *dated* web page that states that user management is only possible via the web interface. Is it possible to do user management via email at this time? Have you checked into $LOCALBASE/mailman/bin/add_members? You could probably wrap a script around it easily enough. usage: /usr/local/mailman/bin/add_members Add members to a list from the command line. Usage: add_members [options] listname Options: --regular-members-file=file -r file A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one address per line. This list of people become non-digest members. If file is `-', read addresses from stdin. Note that -n/--non-digest-members-file are deprecated synonyms for this option. --digest-members-file=file -d file Similar to above, but these people become digest members. --welcome-msg=y|n -w y|n Set whether or not to send the list members a welcome message, overriding whatever the list's `send_welcome_msg' setting is. --admin-notify=y|n -a y|n Set whether or not to send the list administrators a notification on the success/failure of these subscriptions, overriding whatever the list's `admin_notify_mchanges' setting is. --help -h Print this help message and exit. listname The name of the Mailman list you are adding members to. It must already exist. You must supply at least one of -r and -d options. At most one of the files can be `-'. Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Problem with max_num_recipients
Hullo! I am running 2.1.12 on FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE. I have a list where, as a rule, we don't allow CCs to other people/lists. So we set max_num_recipients to 2. Now, we have a user (on @excite.com) who sends email to the list that has: Subject: Testing From: User Name u...@excite.com Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 09:03:09 -0400 To: listn...@lists.mysite.tld CC: Return-Path: u...@excite.com Note the blank CC: line? That seems to trip the flag for moderation.. The user claims they're not typing anything in CC (and I believe them), but for whatever reason, the mailer they're using (still trying to get that info out of them) is adding a blank CC: line. Now, my question would be.. *why* would a *blank* CC: line trip this flag? It just strikes me as kind of odd. Thanks in advance... Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] PHP front-end for Mailman?
On 6/1/11 12:44 AM, William Ashworth wrote: I've searched for a bit and perhaps nothing is available (or I'm typing the wrong searches). I'd really love something to sit on top of (or behind) Mailman that would give me: Authenticated file storage Group calendar Group database Yes, I know. Mailman is not YahooGroups. However, I get a *lot* of requests for this stuff. For now, I use an .htaccess file with a corresponding htpasswd file which pulls the logins/passwords out of the Mailman list membership. It requires manual massaging (like if someone wanted a file deleted, for instance), so it's not exactly an ideal situation, but... there's nothing else I've seen/heard of for Mailman that does similar functionality. When 3.0 comes out, I know that is going to break the scripts I use (from http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Setting+up+Web+access+using+MM+list+passwords+-+for+Apache).. or at least that's what I recall from hearing discussions of changes in 3.0... if I'm wrong, I'm happy to admit it! But it would *seriously* be awesome if Mailman could have, I dunno, plugins for the lack of a better word, where you *could* extend Mailman into more of a YG arena if you choose to. Or, has someone else out there managed to come up with some kind of frontend/backend/addon for MM that lets you have web content only for list-members? Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] authors
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On 12/9/10 5:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
grep From $var_prefix/archives/private/$list.mbox/$list.mbox | \
awk '{print $2}' | sort -u
Wouldn't
grep ^From ...
(or egrep, depending on your toolkit)
work better? Otherwise you grab any sentences that begin with From as
well.. like From what I've heard...
Of course you'll still get blank lineFrom ... if people have
something similar for quote attributions.
Best,
- --Glenn
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Re: [Mailman-Users] authors
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On 12/9/10 5:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
grep From $var_prefix/archives/private/$list.mbox/$list.mbox | \
awk '{print $2}' | sort -u
Actually.. a google netted me this...
awk 'empty{if (/^From /) print $2; empty=0} /^$/{empty=1}' $list.mbox |
sort -u
It's not perfect. For instance, if the mbox has From Glenn Sieb
g...@wingfoot.org lines... but it does only match blank lineFrom
Anywho... something to tuck away for some future need.. :)
Thanks for all you do, Mark!
Best,
- --Glenn
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Corrupted archives ...
Mark Sapiro said the following on 8/12/09 10:05 AM: Do you see these Dec. 1999 messages when you look with Mutt? *doublechecking* Yes. They look fine. It looks like someone or some script ran bin/arch on Mon Aug 10 18:53:40 EDT 2009 (and possibly at other times) with some spurious input, but I'm not sure what that input would be. The puzzling part is the Previous/Next/Sorted header which only appears in the periodic index files. Yup. My archives are indexed automagically by Month-Year... As Terry suggests, you could run bin/cleanarch as an additional test/correction on the listname.mbox. There may be unescaped From in message bodies that didn't confuse Mutt or that you didn't notice with Mutt, and then run bin/arch --wipe to rebuild the archive. But also be aware as Terry says that this may renumber messages and break saved links to archived messages. *nods* This is an instance where I may have to go through manually with vi and fix this email-by-email. :sigh: It will take forever, considering there are 55k or so messages in the archive. An alternative alternative is to just remove 2009-August/, 2009-August.txt and 2009-August.txt.gz (if any) from archives/private/listname/ and then run bin/arch (without --wipe) with input just consisting of the Aug, 1999 portion of listname.mbox. Ooh. Let me try that one. But the real questions are how did this happen; do the 128 messages all have Mon Aug 10 18:53:40 EDT 2009 timestamps or do they have different timestamps, and what may have been done at that/those times? It was probably one of the times I ran arch --wipe. And yes, they all have the same timestamp in the archives. Let me try re-running the arch command with the 2009-August* files removed Odd. I had to manually create the 2009-August directory, but the problem is still there. :-/ (I did bin/arch (listname)) Thanks, Mark! --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Corrupted archives ...
Hullo, I'm running mailman-2.1.12, with the htdig patches on FreeBSD 7.0 I have a list with archives that are about 10 years old. The archive mbox size is 175M. I was alerted by a subscriber that the August 2009 archives list 128 No subject emails that look funny. So I looked.. sure enough they're there. And they look something like this when I click on a single email listed in the archives: No subject Mon Aug 10 18:53:40 EDT 2009 * Previous message: [Redacted] Blah... * Next message: No subject * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:27:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.11.227.157] From: redacted redacted_at... To: redacted Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:27:19 PST Mailing-List: contact redacted X-Mailing-List: redacted Precedence: bulk List-Help: http://www.example.com/redacted/info.html, mailto:redacted at example.com List-Unsubscribe: mailto:redacted-unsubscribe at example.com List-Archive: http://www.example.com/redacted/ Reply-To: redacted Subject: [Redacted] Redacted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 7352 Lines: 174 (body of email starts here) From Redacted redacted at u... Wed Dec 15 00:40:19 1999 Delivered-To: redacted Received: (listserv 1.291); by f7; 15 Dec 1999 08:43:59 - Delivered-To: redacted Date: 15 Dec 99 03:44:15 EST From: Redacted redacted at u... To: redacted X-Mailing-List: redacted Precedence: bulk List-Help: http://www.example.com/redacted/info.html, mailto:redacted at example.com List-Unsubscribe: mailto:redacted-unsubscribe at example.com List-Archive: http://www.example.com/redacted/ Reply-To: redacted Subject: [Redacted] RedactedMIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (body of email starts here...) (another email starts here, as above...) (end of example) Everything looks fine if I use mutt -f listname.mbox in the private archives directory for the list. Has anyone had problems like this? My GoogleFu is failing me, or at least isn't showing me anything like this. Thanks in advance! --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating a list from Yahoo to MM
Mike Maughan said the following on 10/23/08 11:35 PM: Morning all, I have a long-standing list on Yahoogroups that I want to move to MailMan. I can export reimport the users OK but I would like to also transfer the message archive. Anyone have any suggestions, please? Do a google for yahoo2mbox.. it's a perl script that can harvest archives off of a yahoogroup. (It can take a while, since it paces itself so you don't end up getting blocked out of yahoo.) I've been using it for a while, and it works quite well (and since it downloads into mbox files, you can import the archives into MM. Good luck! Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman footer
Prashanth wrote: Hi, which variable has the e-mail id of the receptionist and if i need to add that in the footer where should i set that. In the Non-digest option i said %(member)s but it shows that as such Don't forget to turn on personalization! I usually use this as my footer on the lists I host: ___ %(real_name)s mailing list %(real_name)[EMAIL PROTECTED](host_name)s %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s To change your list options and get your account info for %(real_name)s: %(user_optionsurl)s More from the help page on msg_footer option: When personalization https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/admin/offthemap/?VARHELP=nondigest/personalize is enabled for this list, additional substitution variables are allowed in your headers and footers: * *user_address* - The address of the user, coerced to lower case. * *user_delivered_to* - The case-preserved address that the user is subscribed with. * *user_password* - The user's password. * *user_name* - The user's full name. * *user_optionsurl* - The url to the user's option page. Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Curious about email confirmations for list owners...
Hi List... So I have a list on my box that's about to get a new round of listowners/moderators. I created a list for the new mods/owners to play on, so I can show them how the interface works, etc. It's actually been a great learning experience for all of us, since I've never relied on email commands, I've always used the web commands. Anywho, it's raised a question that I can't really answer for them (they're an eager bunch, but they aren't techies, just everyday folk--just FYI): When confirming the posting of a moderated message via email, Why doesn't this work the way it says? (their words, not mine..) My observation: When the post comes through for approval, you an email with two attachments: First part is the web interface link, second (first attachment) the email that's being moderated, and third (second attachment) is how to confirm via email. The problem is--you can't hit reply -- this does not work. Even though, to the layperson, it says to do so, since clients like Thunderbird and such show the text attachments inline. This is more pilot-error than anything, but it is confusing for non-techies, admittedly. But, even more of a curiosity--if you open the attached email that says confirm confirmationcode--and hit reply--*THAT* doesn't work. The Subject: and To: headers are not set correctly. I use Thunderbird, some of the others use T-bird or Outcrack. From what I am gathering from the new mods, this is the same for both. I run a Mac so I don't run Outcrack to test with (nor do I really want to run Outcrack *blecch*). I admit, that this took me three tries to get it right, and that involved just creating a new email, doing a copy/paste of the Subject line and making sure the email went to (listname)[EMAIL PROTECTED] Are I/we doing this wrong? While I wholeheartedly support using the web interface for these things, I can understand why someone would just want to hit Reply type in the Approved: listpassword header, and do things that way, as well. I've searched the FAQ, and the archives, but didn't see anything that addressed this. I've told them to just use the web interface, but they're genuinely curious as to how this works, and I'd like to help them understand (no less understand this myself! :-) ) Again, thank you in advance, and I hope this isn't another stupid question like my last one. (I admit I almost didn't send this in tonight, but I want to do right by my users, and if that means I have to eat some crow, ok fine.) Best, --Glenn (Running Mailman since v2.0beta2 ... and proud of it!) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Curious about email confirmations for list owners...
Mark Sapiro wrote: Unfortunately, this is MUA dependent. In some MUA's, if you actually open the attached message, you can reply to it and it will work. In Tbird 2.0 at least, you can click on the icon for the third part, and it will open in a new window, and you can reply in that window, and it works. Thanks, Mark. I'm using Tbird 2.0.0.12 (mac) and it doesn't seem to work like that. :-/ One of the other mods is using Tbird for Windows (I know she's using 2.0+ (I installed it for her), but not sure what exact version she's got.). I can open it, but when I hit Reply (or Reply to all) the To: is blank and the Subject: is either blank or it says Re: and that's it. It works for me with Tbird 2.0 (IIRC it didn't work with older Tbird). It also works with Mutt, and I think I have observed in the past that it works with MS Outlook express. Ok. I'll see if anyone's running Outcrack Express and have them try it. Like I said, it's been a learning curve for all of us. I'd never used the mail interface for this stuff before. :) As I said above, it's MUA dependent. In any case, if the MUA shows all the parts inline, replying in that view wont work without editing the recipient and subject of the reply, but most (I think) MUAs that allow you to open/view the specific message part and reply to it will work. *nod* We'll keep at it. Thanks, Mark. :) Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Curious about email confirmations for list owners...
Mark Sapiro wrote: I just tried it on Mac OS X 10.5 with Tbird 2.0.0.9 and then after upgrade, with 2.0.0.12 (with enigmail), and it worked fine in both. It also works for me with Tbird 2.0.0.12 (with enigmail) on Windows XP. I also tried MS-Outlook Express 6 on Windows, but when I try to open the attached confirmation message part, it opens with the default application for .eml files which on my machine is Tbird, so it doesn't really work because Tbird is opening the message part from a file (see below). Hmm. When I open the attachment, it opens in a new Tbird window, and if I click Message, Edit as New Tbird goes all funky on me. *sigh* Is the message body in the composition window also blank? If so, it sounds like the following: No it's not blank. But it doesn't open in the composition window, either. :-/ I've told the mods to just use the web interface--but it might be worth considering at some future point to combine the main email from the server with the confirm message (have the confirm message be the subject and from... and include the click here to do this from the web... message into it)? Anywho--thanks, Mark. :) Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Content filtering problem...
Mark Sapiro wrote: I suggest what you want in pass_mime_types is multipart message/rfc822 text/plain text/html This will accept all text plain parts and text/html parts, even from attached message/rfc822 parts. Then multipart/alternative parts will be collapsed to the first (probably text/plain) alternative, and any remaining text/html parts will be converted to plain text by lynx or whatever you set in mm_cfg.py for HTML_TO_PLAIN_TEXT_COMMAND. If you also want to accept signed messages, you probably want to add application/pgp-signature to the above list. I've changed the list's config to match this--and am waiting for the user to try it again. I am sure, given the changes, it will work now. Thanks again, Mark! Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Content filtering problem...
Hi everyone! I'm highly puzzled. I have a user trying to post on a list I own. She's getting The message's content type was not explicitly allowed. The message is just a Test post from her, headers (anonymized) follow the email. There are *NO* entries in any of the mailman log files showing her posts being rejected or why. Postfix mail logs just show the outgoing mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] going to her. Settings from content filtering: Should mailman filter? Yes Remove message attachments that have a matching content type: (blank) Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave this field blank to skip this filter test: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain Remove message attachments that have a matching filename extension: exe bat cmd com pif scr vbs cpl Remove message attachments that don't have a matching filename extension. Leave this field blank to skip this filter test. (blank) Should Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part content? Yes Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped: Yes Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules: Reject I'd appreciate any help :-/ Thanks in advance! Best, --Glenn (headers follow) Subject: test post From: yahoo user yahoo_user blat yahoo.com Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:41:01 -0700 (PDT) To: list-I-own list-I-own blat lists.wingfoot.org Return-Path: yahoo_user blat yahoo.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15AD39DC50 for list-I-own blat lists.wingfoot.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:44:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at wingfoot.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.641 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.641 tagged_above=-999 required=6 tests=[AWL=-1.097, BAYES_00=-2.599, DKIM_SIGNED=0.001, DKIM_VERIFIED=-0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.5, FREEMAIL_FROM_D3=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG=0.097, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457] Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OWGZ3AAEsz1y for list-I-own blat lists.wingfoot.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com [216.252.110.51]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E460C39DC4C for list-I-own blat lists.wingfoot.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 88759 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2008 02:41:01 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=K84BI4SQEiUyUvh4rBhj838igaj9r7XQZd2tOkltVxl0+MuKo5YZE7KUJBiPj7DNMiK5VmB/PW9OMVjRdnj93QUkaYEWn1BrbEh1fv5OzN1SzIsNAAA5VtqVfJN//RNiuKuLb5FFhIO3jGYeidkoYMm5Zvxk6oOtgvvy9HMNvcQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 7uudDSEVM1nvrn9SdsHKiA2dp9RH51bGQkhyhO.WpWE5pYs4qUOZ8_JgLMK7q9ZrBg-- Received: from [24.233.189.167] by web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:41:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.185 Reply-To: yahoo_user blat yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: 498709.88720.qm blat web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble Subscribing/Unsubscribing/Sending Messages
Ki Song wrote: I must have messed up a setting on my mailman server because none of the requests sent by email are being processed. When I send a subscribe request to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see my Postfix server relaying the message to the mailman server, but it doesn't actually subscribe the email address that I want to subscribe. Instead, there are no actions that are taken by the mailman server (to the best of my knowledge). Is there a setting that I could have messed up that prevents messages sent to the mailman server from being process properly? First thing I'd check is to make sure mailman is actually running... ps awwux | grep mailman If nothing shows up, you need to launch the mailman qrunners: mailmanctl start Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman integration with web pages (user passwords)
Alain Williams said the following on 9/11/2006 7:01 PM: I wish to integrate mailman with some (other) web pages. The users would be able to login and do whatever, part of which would be to subscribe to a mail list. To make it nice I would like a common user authentication, ie email_address/password pairs. Mailman seems to hold this stuff in python pickle files - these are obscure formats if you are not writing in python (which I am not - I don't want to). http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.007.htp That might give you somewhere to start, I hope.. :) Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htdig problems
Peter DeVries said the following on 8/21/2006 11:10 AM: My problem is that the archive page of any newly created lists looks like this It looks like you might be missing: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/ in your httpd.conf ... if it's there, have you restarted Apache? Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] One Down, one more to go.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However now I have an issue where emailing a list the email you sent to the list never goes anywhere. Nothing in the logs. Nothing anywhere. I know that th3e invites and outbound matters from mailman work perfectly, but none of the emails being sent to the mailing list are going anywhere. They just seem to disappear and there doesn't seem to be any trace of them anywhere or in any logs. I know that email is working on the server. Its my primary email server and everyone is receiving email. Anyone have any suggestions? First things first (from the FAQ Wizard): http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=troubleshootingquerytype=simplecasefold=yesreq=search Once you've gone through that, let us know if you're still having problems.. but we need to know stuff like: 1) What MTA are you running? Sendmail? Postfix? Exim? What? 2) Are the emails even coming into the server? Have you followed the Message ID through the logs to see where it stops? Is it being delivered to Mailman? 3) Relevant snippets of mail log files so we can see what may be going on. Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Everett Johnson said the following on 5/22/2006 10:53 PM: Why is it normal for a bounce processor to be the sender when there are no bounces? This confuses some list members. Because, *should the message bounce to a user*... instead of the original poster getting the bounce notification, the bounce-processor will. This is why this is the way it is. It is perfectly acceptable, and preferred, behaviour. You think your users are confused now? If this behaviour wasn't there, they'd be even more confused upon getting notified of bounces for email to people they (probably) don't know.. ;-) Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman vs yahoogroups
Brad Knowles said the following on 5/3/2006 1:00 AM: From the Mailman side, the canonical answer is FAQ 1.26 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.026.htp. I can pretty much guarantee you that some of these things will never be integrated into Mailman. Someone could certainly take Mailman and make it a component of a system like Yahoo!Groups, and then make that system available either as a freely available package or as a paid system, but that would be beyond the scope of Mailman itself. I think the biggest thing I hear complaints about on my MM server, is that there's no way to configure a monthly rules mailing without requiring sysadmin (i.e. my) intervention with crude hacks with cronjobs and such. I've got a few lists where such monthly mailings are not just handy, they're downright required. :-/ Will there be anything forthcoming in Mailman that will let the mailing list owners set stuff like that up without requiring sysadmin intervention? Just wondering.. :) Thanks! Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Um? You are subscribed to a list of mailing lists?
Hey all! I just set up a new mailing list (was a move to a new listname, too many spammers found the old one). So I subscribed all the old users. Now, on their options pages, they all say under the Your listname Password section: Forgotten Your Password? Click this button to have your password emailed to your membership address. (Note - you are subscribing to a list of mailing lists, so the password notice will be sent to the admin address for your membership, (removed for privacy)-owner@(removed for privacy).) How the heck?! I'm running Mailman 2.1.7 with the ht://dig, archiving, and indexing patches, on FreeBSD 4.11, Apache 2.0.55, Postfix 2.2.8, etc. Thanks in advance! Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Um? You are subscribed to a list of mailing lists?
Glenn Sieb said the following on 4/22/2006 4:46 PM: Hey all! I just set up a new mailing list (was a move to a new listname, too many spammers found the old one). Nevermind. Apparently the moderator of the list set send password reminders to -owner (an option I'd never played with before, so it didn't leap out at me at first). *sigh* all fixed. Thank you all anyway. :) We now return you to your previously scheduled mailing list. Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Running a script on subscribe/unsubscribe?
Dragon said the following on 3/13/2006 1:49 AM: It's not so much a problem per se as it is just that I want processing to be much more immediate so that when a member subscription is approved or a member unsubscribes or is removed from the list, the password update and other setup activities don't have to wait around for the next cron interval. (Which is currently set to run hourly). I set mine up like this: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.007.htp It's in a cron job that runs make every 10 minutes. Since make only does anything to files that have changed, it becomes a fairly lightweight process--you could probably run it every 5 minutes or so, even. Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] how to disable post requires approval messages
Crni Gorac said the following on 3/4/2006 3:28 AM: I'm administering couple mailing list and during last time each day I'm receiving dozen of ... post from ... requires approval messages (As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting...) for each list, because spammers are trying to go trough. So I'm wondering how to disable sending this kind of messages to list administrator address? I was looking trough Mailman administrative interface for my list, but wasn't able to find anything appropriate... What you really need here is good spam filtering so that those messages never make it to the lists. Disabling those administrative messages is really a Bad Idea.. :-\ Personally, I use AMaViS and SpamAssassin, with the SpamAssassin handler for Mailman... it works like a charm! Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Log analysis
Roger Favero said the following on 3/3/2006 8:57 AM: thanks a lot for you answer. I downloaded the script and, after a few modification for customisation reason, it runs very well. But now I have a problem: I found out that my mailman post log is stop to the begin of february and I don't know why. The other log files (smtp, smtp-failure, ubscribe, vette, ..) are correctly updated to today. What could be happen? For sure I wrong somethig, but I can not understand what! :-( Thanks a lot in advance for you kind answer. Are you rotating your Mailman logs with newsyslog or some other log rotator? If so, you have to be sure that you issue a HUP to the master-qrunner process.. for Newsyslog I do something like this (it's a single line entry in newsyslog.conf): /usr/local/mailman/logs/mischief mailman:mailman 664 7 * @T05 J /usr/local/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid Hope this helps! Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Importing Archives Not Working
Karl Zander wrote: Hello, Using mm 2.1.7 with the patches for htdig and MHonArc applied. We have messages in mbox format that we want to import. As per 5.1 from the FAQ, we used bin/arch list archives/private/list.mbox/list.mbox where list is our list name. We did create the list before attempting to import. Running arch gives this, Pickling archive state into /data/mailman/archives/private/our-list/pipermail.pck then seems to return without any errors or other messages. But when visting the archives, nothing is available. We have checked that the messages to import really are in mbox format. Is there another step? I am not sure where to troubleshoot. The first thing I'd do is: bin/check_perms If it shows any problems, have it fix them: bin/check_perms -f That's a good start, at least.. :) Best, --Glenn __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Importing Archives Not Working
Karl Zander said the following on 3/3/2006 6:48 PM: I will have to look carefully at that mbox format. There are definately messages in it. Thunderbird reads it OK, but maybe Thunderbird is more forgiving of mbox formatting. The messages orginated in Lyris ListManger. They have a script to export to mbox format. If you have mutt installed on the system, try: mutt -f /location/of/mbox.file And see if mutt can read the file. New messages sent to the list get appended to the end of the mbox file OK and do display in the archive. Do the new messages look any different then the earlier messages do? Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating htdig
michael dunston said the following on 2/28/2006 2:31 AM: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 11:48 AM (-0800) Monday, February 27, 2006: I noticed in the documentation that the 3.2 version of htdig is not supported by the patches for using htdig with mailman. I've tried rolling it back to version 3.1.6 but am having difficulty getting it to install so it looks like for the moment I am stuck with 3.2 Is there any way to get this patch to work with the 3.2 version of htdig? Is there any plan to support this in the future? Not this is necessarily of much help, but I was in a similar situation recently and ended up giving up on htdig entirely and using swish-e instead. It wasn't as easy to set up (as htdig integration) but it works and seems much faster to use. I don't recall having to do anything special in this situation. I'm running 2.1.7 with htdig 3.2.0b6 ... I did customize my htdig setup, so that my logo, color scheme and such are used, and I put all that in the templates/en/htdig_conf.txt file. But I don't recall doing anything particularly special there. Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating htdig
Glenn Sieb said the following on 2/28/2006 12:50 PM: I don't recall having to do anything special in this situation. I'm running 2.1.7 with htdig 3.2.0b6 ... I did customize my htdig setup, so that my logo, color scheme and such are used, and I put all that in the templates/en/htdig_conf.txt file. But I don't recall doing anything particularly special there. In case anyone is interested, here are my html files (from $SHAREBASE/htdig/common/.) and my conf file (from $USRBASE/mailman/templates/en/.) Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Integrating htdig
Glenn Sieb said the following on 2/28/2006 1:13 PM: Glenn Sieb said the following on 2/28/2006 12:50 PM: I don't recall having to do anything special in this situation. I'm running 2.1.7 with htdig 3.2.0b6 ... I did customize my htdig setup, so that my logo, color scheme and such are used, and I put all that in the templates/en/htdig_conf.txt file. But I don't recall doing anything particularly special there. In case anyone is interested, here are my html files (from $SHAREBASE/htdig/common/.) and my conf file (from $USRBASE/mailman/templates/en/.) How about.. if anyone's interested I can email it backchannel LOL :) Best, --G. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and MySQL-based virtual domains
Mark Sapiro said the following on 1/25/2006 9:49 PM: Werner Schalk wrote: I created some mailing lists. But when I try to send a mail to one of them I get the following error message in my log file: Just curious... do you issue: postmap /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman Because, if you don't, it's not hashed. (check for the existence of /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db--if it doesn't exist, you're not postmap'ing it.) Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] additional accounts
Mark Sapiro said the following on 1/20/2006 11:16 PM: Only if MTA='Postfix' You mean... there are *other* MTAs?? *grin, duck run* (Seriously, though--thanks for the catch.. :) I guess I just ASS-U-ME everyone loves Postfix as much as I do ;-) ) ObReflection: It's hard to believe I've been running this software for going on 5 years now. And, as easy as it was to install, it's been completely painless to upgrade. The lovely thing about that is: It encourages people to run the latest release, thus benefiting from the security patches and new features. Kudos to the team! :) (And, yes, the first sentence is completely tongue-in-cheek. I know there are other MTAs, and that people use them! :P~ ) Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] additional accounts
Lawrence Bowie said the following on 1/20/2006 7:26 PM: If create a mailing list called test-list, then do I have to create aliases like this Hey Lawrence! If you take a look in $PREFIX/mailman/data/aliases, you'll see that Mailman's nice enough to do it for you :-) Just make sure you include $PREFIX/mailman/data/aliases in your main /etc/aliases file. (Refer to your MTA's documenation for how to do this.) However, if you're using Postfix, you have two options that I know of: At the end of /etc/aliases: :include: $PREFIX/mailman/data/aliases ...or go here: http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/downloads.php and grab a copy of postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py and read the instructions within. :) Best! --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Error in 2.1.7...
I tried to edit the listinfo page of a list, and got the following in logs/error: Jan 12 21:01:18 2006 admin(87363): admin(87363): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.7 -] admin(87363): [- Traceback --] admin(87363): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(87363): File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 101, in run_main admin(87363): main() admin(87363): File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py, line 125, in main admin(87363): ChangeHTML(mlist, cgidata, template_name, doc) admin(87363): File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py, line 160, in ChangeHTML admin(87363): code = re.sub(r'([/]?script.*?)', r'lt;\1gt;', code) admin(87363): NameError: global name 're' is not defined admin(87363): [- Python Information -] admin(87363): sys.version = 2.4.2 (#2, Dec 5 2005, 17:46:01) [GCC 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]] admin(87363): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python admin(87363): sys.prefix = /usr/local admin(87363): sys.exec_prefix = /usr/local admin(87363): sys.path= /usr/local admin(87363): sys.platform= freebsd4 admin(87363): [- Environment Variables -] admin(87363): HTTP_COOKIE: offthemap+admin=28020069d909c7437328006563303033656133326131323930396631363138656431303338376338326266346632306363; dbx-postmeta=grabit=0-,1-,2-,3-,4-,5-,6-advancedstuff=0-,1-,2- admin(87363): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/2.0.55 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.4.1 mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8a admin(87363): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/edithtml admin(87363): SERVER_SIGNATURE: addressApache/2.0.55 (FreeBSD) PHP/4.4.1 mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.8a Server at www.wingfoot.org Port 443/address admin(87363): admin(87363): REQUEST_METHOD: POST admin(87363): HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 admin(87363): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 admin(87363): QUERY_STRING: admin(87363): CONTENT_LENGTH: 10249 admin(87363): HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 admin(87363): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/2005 Firefox/1.5 admin(87363): TZ: America/New_York admin(87363): HTTP_REFERER: https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/edithtml/offthemap/listinfo.html admin(87363): SERVER_NAME: www.wingfoot.org admin(87363): REMOTE_ADDR: 68.196.127.120 admin(87363): PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/local/www/ssl/offthemap/listinfo.html admin(87363): SERVER_PORT: 443 admin(87363): SERVER_ADDR: 64.32.179.50 admin(87363): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/www/ssl/ admin(87363): PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman admin(87363): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/edithtml admin(87363): SERVER_ADMIN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] admin(87363): HTTP_HOST: www.wingfoot.org admin(87363): HTTPS: on admin(87363): HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive admin(87363): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/edithtml/offthemap/listinfo.html admin(87363): HTTP_ACCEPT: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 admin(87363): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 admin(87363): REMOTE_PORT: 1373 admin(87363): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us,en;q=0.5 admin(87363): CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded admin(87363): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate admin(87363): UNIQUE_ID: 1z7tOUAgszIAAVJSCPYA admin(87363): PATH_INFO: /offthemap/listinfo.html -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] creating a list of moderators
Mark Sapiro wrote: You could probably replace the /usr/share/mailman/bin/withlist -q -a -r printowners | tr A-Z a-z | sort | uniq part of this pipe with /usr/share/mailman/bin/list_owners It appears to also do the uniq for you... I own a few lists on my box, and that command lists me once (which is fine for the purpose intended by the OP). Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] mhonarc patch 2.1.6 and mailman 2.1.7
Hey everyone! Have a bit of a problem happening, and I'm hoping it's an easy fix... I went to set up the mhonarc patch with mailman 2.1.7 tonight. I know, I know.. different versions (2.1.6 patch for mhonarc versus mailman 2.1.7), so I'm taking my life in my hands.. but it seemed to apply cleanly (though I had to hack the templates/Makefile so that it didn't install the *.mrc files, and manually copied them from en/ to $prefix/mailman/templates/en/ :) ) Anywho.. I untarred the mailman-2.1.7.tgz file, in a fresh directory, and after applying the patches, in order: indexing htdig modinc mhonarc (all the latest from Richard's website, though, in modinc's case, I modified DATA_FILE_VERSION = 95.1 to be 96.1 to keep with what I assumed was the scheme happening.) And after ./configure make make install cp templates/en/*.mrc /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/. , I put the following in mm_cfg.py, which is all I could glean needed to be done for this patch: ### ## Change for MHonArc 1/11/06 ### # Which archiver to use by default to generate archive pages: # 0 - pipermail # 1 - mhonarc DEFAULT_WHICH_ARCHIVER = 1 MHONARC_ARCHIVER_PATH = '/usr/local/bin/mhonarc' When I try to do bin/arch --wipe a-test-listname, I get: Traceback (most recent call last): File ./arch, line 202, in ? main() File ./arch, line 166, in main mlist.archiver_when_wiped = mlist.which_archiver File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 146, in __getattr__ raise AttributeError, name AttributeError: which_archiver I tried changing back to DEFAULT_WHICH_ARCHVER = 0 with no different results.. And, just in case you wonder: $ which mhonarc /usr/local/bin/mhonarc I'm running Apache 2.0.55 on FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE, Postfix 2.2.8, mailman 2.1.7, mhonarc 2.6.15, perl 5.8.7 Any help would be muchly appreciated! And, an aside to Richard, who donates his time and resources to providing these patches: Thanks so much for all of your work on these patches, Richard! Seriously--they make Mailman all the better! Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about ban_list...
Bryan Carbonnell wrote: I applied the ht://dig patches to 2.1.7 on my test box with no problems. IIRC there were just a few ofsets for a few hunks. So it appears to apply cleanly. Agreed... the upgrade seemed to go very smoothly last night. Best, --Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Question about ban_list...
Let's say I want no users on a mailing list from sitename.com. So, I have a ban_list address of: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is this the correct form of RegExp? If not, could someone give me a pointer? Thanks in advance! Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about ban_list...
Mark Sapiro said the following on 1/3/2006 9:39 PM: Yes. Note also that the ban_list applies to more things as of 2.1.7. From NEWS: - The list's ban_list now applies to address changes, admin mass subscribes and invites, and to confirmations/approvals of address changes, subscriptions and invitations. Ok--then I guess on my 2.1.5 server, the moderators must have added people, without thinking, using the web interface--I'll have to upgrade to 2.1.7 as soon as I see the ht://dig patches come out! Thanks, Mark! Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Can you discard the entire pending queue for a list?
Scott P. Miller said the following on 12/26/2005 2:12 PM: I have some lists which were moderated by my users where they basically left the pending queue untouched (great moderation, eh?) I now have about 10 lists with anywhere between 100 and 400 pending messages. Clicking discard 4000 times doesn't appeal to me. I guess I could re-create the list under a new name, re-import the users and delete the old one, but that seems the long way around. what I need is just a way to discard all on the pending messages. Is there an obvious way I am missing? Any suggestions? Discard all messages marked Defer would do that... Best, --Glenn (BTW: I find that generally such things happen, because the moderators in question have no experience with Mailman and don't understand how things work. I usually do a remote session with new moderators of lists on my box, so they can see how the interface works, and how the administrative functions work. I also give them copies of the PDFs available on the list.org site.) -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Sender Name
Pete Holsberg said the following on 10/21/2005 5:42 PM: So that if the mail bounces, the bounce will be returned to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of to the list or the OP, and automated bounce processing will work. Actually, it should suffice that this address is the envelope sender, but some non-compliant MTAs send the bounce to Sender: or Errors-To: so SMTPDirect.py sets these to the envelope sender. The reason I ask is that AOL is identifying email from the list as SPAM, and I would like to tell the list members that they can put a certain address in their AOL addressbooks. Would that address be the [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a separate issue that really doesn't have anything to do with Mailman, per-se. You need to check out: http://postmaster.aol.com/ Follow their instructions for Is your mail to AOL being blocked? and Would you like to apply for the AOL Whitelist? Once I did that, I no longer had anyone complaining about mail from lists on my server being blocked. Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Modifying Mailman-generated virtuals file
Philip M. White said the following on 10/14/2005 12:09 AM: Hello, all. I've recently reconfigured my mail setup to separate the namespace of mailing lists versus regular users, so now both systems are considered virtual aliases by Postfix. Mailman works with this setup, but only after I edit its virtuals file to contain, for example, [EMAIL PROTECTED]' instead of just `list1234'. Without this modification, Postfix rewrites the right-hand side to originate from my domain name, after which the message is stuck in the queue since the namespace separation prevents the new address from being recognized. So I wonder, is there any clean way of getting Mailman to append [EMAIL PROTECTED]' to every virtuals line? Just guessing here.. Check the files in mailman/Mailman/MTA/ --They're probably good starting points... Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Scheduled Administrative Option
Carl Zwanzig said: In a flurry of recycled electrons, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: Remember that current structure of mailman is not good at arbitrary scheduling. You may have to run a scheduling script every hour or so. Seems like this already exists with qrunner. [knowing nothing about the internals..] If a message is 'scehduled' toss it into a different dierctory. At the same time, drop in a small file containing the time to send (a separate file should be lower overhead to open, and should have very little data.) Periodically check all these time-to-send files. Ought to be fairly trivial to impliment the sending portion. Don't know about the web pages, though. Wouldn't this be similiar in spirit to a monthly reminder email? (Set per-list, like some other list management software has--so moderators can send out, automagically, list-rules, etc. Right now, mailman doesn't have that feature.) --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2004 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Error on email confirmations on 2.1.5
Mark Sapiro said the following on 6/30/2005 10:41 AM: Glenn Sieb wrote: Nope. I install from source, with the htdig/archiver patches. My confirm script is 89 lines long (with comments). The fact remains that your confirm script is not the one from the 2.1.5 source distribution. The diff is as follows and it is not from either htdig-2.1.5-0.1.patch or indexing-2.1.5-0.1.patch. Oops. I forgot two other patches. exitstatus-2.1.5-0.1.patch indexing-2.1.5-0.1.patch htdig-2.1.5-0.1.patch modinc-2.1.5-0.1.patch Those are the patches on my system. It appears that the exitstatus patch changes the confirm script. Either way, I've put the change in you recommended, and it works fine now. Thank you for your help. Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Error on email confirmations on 2.1.5
Jun 29 23:28:45 caduceus postfix/pipe[36446]: 9FC4F1F4409: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=mailman, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 1: /usr/local/mailman/postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py. Command output: File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/confirm, line 64 sys.exit(MailExits.mailexits.EX_NOUSER.) ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax ) (The SyntaxError is pointing at the exit in sys.exit(MailExits..) error...) I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE, with Python 2.4.1. The list in question does actually exist. I sent the user an invite to join. In the meantime I told her to just go ahead and confirm via the web-link. Thanks in advance.. Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Error on email confirmations on 2.1.5
Mark Sapiro said the following on 6/30/2005 1:29 AM:
Something's strange here. The 2.1.5 distribution scripts/confirm only
has 62 lines and there are only 2 sys.exit() calls and they are both
sys.exit(1).
In fact, grep -ir mailexits * doesn't find anything anywhere in the
Mailman 2.1.5 distribution.
If this Mailman is somebody's package, I think you need to contact the
packager.
Nope. I install from source, with the htdig/archiver patches. My confirm
script is 89 lines long (with comments).
That said, I think the actual syntax error is the final period in
'MailExits.mailexits.EX_NOUSER.'.
Thanks--removing that period just after NOUSER fixes the problem. :)
Below is the confirm script, for perusal.
Thanks!
Best,
--Glenn
$ cat /usr/local/mailman/scripts/confirm
# -*- python -*-
#
# Copyright (C) 2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.
Simple confirm via VERP-ish sender.
Called by the wrapper, stdin is the mail message, and argv[1] is the name
of the target mailing list.
Errors are redirected to logs/errors.
# Set the default exit status to be used with the following
# variable. This is the value which will be used in the event of
# our not even being able to import modules and do things in a
# controlled way.
# The installed default is 75 = MailExits.mailexits.EX_TEMPFAIL
# This should tell Sendmail to keep keep the mail locally and
# try again. This should give us time to try and fix the gross
# installation problem without losing or rejecting all the mail
# which is arriving.
DEFAULT_EXIT_STATUS = 75
# If we cannot import sys then we aren't going to control what
# sendmail does with the mail
import sys
try:
import paths
from Mailman import MailExits
from Mailman import mm_cfg
DEFAULT_EXIT_STATUS = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_MAILER_EXIT_STATUS
from Mailman.Logging.Utils import LogStdErr
LogStdErr('error', 'confirm', tee_to_real_stderr=0)
import traceback
try:
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman.i18n import _
from Mailman.Queue.sbcache import get_switchboard
def main():
try:
listname = sys.argv[1]
except IndexError:
print sys.stderr, _('got no listname.')
sys.exit(MailExits.mailexits.EX_TEMPFAIL)
# Make sure the list exists
if not Utils.list_exists(listname):
print sys.stderr, _('list not found: %(listname)s')
sys.exit(MailExits.mailexits.EX_NOUSER)
# Immediately queue the message for the bounce/cmd qrunner
to process.
# The advantage to this approach is that messages should
never get lost --
# some MTAs have a hard limit to the time a filter prog can
run. Postfix
# is a good example; if the limit is hit, the proc is
SIGKILL'd giving us
# no chance to save the message.
cmdq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.CMDQUEUE_DIR)
cmdq.enqueue(sys.stdin.read(), listname=listname, toconfirm=1,
_plaintext=1)
if __name__ == '__main__':
main()
except SystemExit:
raise
except StandardError:
sys.stderr.write(unexpected error handling: %s % str(sys.argv))
traceback.print_exc(None, sys.stderr)
sys.exit(DEFAULT_EXIT_STATUS)
except SystemExit:
# we do not want to catch SystemExits
raise
except StandardError:
# But for all others take the default exit status
sys.exit(DEFAULT_EXIT_STATUS)
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[Mailman-Users] Bounce-events pck files...
I run Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE, with Apache 2.0.54, and Postfix 2.2.3 I was just looking in my mailman/data directory and noticed that I have 155 of these bounce-events-#.pck files taking up about 24 meg of space there. They date back as far as January 18th of this year. Are these garbage files? Unprocessed bounce messages? What does one do with these--I didn't see anything on the FAQ or FAQ-wizard... Thanks in advance! Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Bounce-events pck files...
Mark Sapiro said the following on 6/8/2005 4:19 PM: Yes, they are mostly if not all garbage and yes, they contain unprocessed bounce messages. Ah-hah! Thank you, Mark! I think I can code up a script to safely clean these out. :) Thanks again! Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI error!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following on 2/16/2005 8:26 AM: Hi, I'm still having trouble with installing Mailman. The original error is as follows: Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Failure to lookup via getgrgid() the group info for group id -1 that this Mailman CGI wrapper is executing under. This is probably due to an incorrectly configured system and is not a Mailman problem I listed some responses to questions people on the list asked. I think there's a system configuration problem, but I'm not sure if it's with my users or groups or apache config etc. I'd really appreciate the help. I'm also willing to perform a brute force solution. Thanks, jim My bet is you don't have a group ID set in /etc/groups. Try running check_perms -f and see if it's able to fix things. If not, it should yell about what group ID it needs.. Best, --Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Is anyone using the SpamAssassin.py and spamd.py handlers?
I'm running 2.1.5 on FreeBSD, with SpamAssassin 3.0.1_2. I followed the instructions from the FAQWizard, http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.023.htp I went to #2: Using patches by Jon Parise located at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=640518group_id=103atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=640518group_id=103atid=300103 as described at http://www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ Installed the patches, put the right things in mm_cfg.py: GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(1, 'SpamAssassin') SPAMASSASSIN_HOST = 'wingfoot.org' SPAMASSASSIN_DISCARD_SCORE = 7.5 SPAMASSASSIN_HOLD_SCORE = 5.0 SPAMASSASSIN_MEMBER_BONUS = 3 And, restarted mailman. In my logs, when I post something to a test list I have, in my error log: Feb 06 14:30:54 2005 (98035) spamd: could not connect to spamd on wingfoot.org (Yes, all other mail is being piped through spamc/d, so it is running, and able to be connected to...) Has anyone managed to get this stuff running on 2.1.5? What I'd think would be a nice solution is to somehow figure out how to modify the postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py script to pipe things through procmail, where I could have it run through spamc. But, the examples in faq 4.23 are A) for postfix and B) I have no idea how I'd do this in the postfix-to-mailman-2.1 script. :-/ Thanks in advance... Best, Glenn (who's starting to see more and more spam hitting my list domain... grr) -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is anyone using the SpamAssassin.py and spamd.pyhandlers?
John Fleming said the following on 2/6/2005 4:10 PM: Glenn, I have it working, and I'm a major newbie. Here's my mm_cfg.py snippet: Weird. All I did was change SPAMASSASSIN_HOST to 'localhost', restarted qrunner and *puf* it started working. That's vrry odd. But.. thanks :) Best, --Glenn (Thanks for the spamd spamassassin files, spamd.py had like 2 lines different, but it didn't seem to make a difference until I changed the above setting...) -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about public HTML pages...
Eric Schmitz said the following on 8/6/2004 8:30 AM: Glenn, It sounds like the submit input in your PayPal form is actually invoking the subscription form processing script. Make sure your PayPal form is not ending up _inside_ the Mailman subscription form tags when the subscription page is rendered. If it is, you may need to edit the subscription form page template to make sure those forms do not overlap. It looks (upon examining the page source) that the form starts way early: PRE TD COLSPAN=1 WIDTH=100% BGCOLOR=#FFF0D0 FORM Method=POST ACTION=https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/listinfo/listname; English (USA) /FORM FORM Method=POST ACTION=https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/subscribe/listname; /TD /TR tr td colspan=2 P/P p To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the a href=https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/private/listname/;listname Archives/a. (iThe current archive is only available to the list members./i) /PRE I was finally able to put the code in down below the members login area. It's not as visible as the list owner would like it, but it's something. Is there a reason why the subscribe form starts so early? I'm running 2.1.2--if this changes in 2.1.5, that might be worth my upgrading, otherwise so far I'm pretty happy :) (unless, of course 2.1.5 adds anything particularly new and cool?) Thanks! Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about public HTML pages...
Glenn Sieb said the following on 8/6/2004 12:04 PM: It looks (upon examining the page source) that the form starts way early: I found that by putting the code in a new row under MM-List-Description it works as needed, and gives the exposure necessary for the listowner. Thanks, everyone :) Best, Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Question about public HTML pages...
I know I can go to a list's Admin page and change the public HTML.. but I have a question. Let's say I want to put a Paypal donation link on a list's public page--whereever I put the code (and it doesn't seem to matter where), when I click on the Paypal link, it gives me a Mailman error saying I must supply a valid email address (like I'm submitting to the subscription form...). I've even tried putting the code in the List's info from the Admin, General Settings page. Same thing... Is there any way to put a Paypal donation link on a list's public page? If so, what am I missing? :( The code looks like this (escaped with pre-tags): pre form action=https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr; method=post input type=hidden name=cmd value=_s-xclick input type=image src=https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/btn/x-click-but04.gif; border=0 name=submit alt=Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure! input type=hidden name=encrypted value=lots of gunk /form /pre Thanks in advance! Glenn -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
Chris Barnes said the following on 4/27/2004 12:47 PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anyone on this list care to offer a comparison? Or, if you are an ex-YahooGroups user, say why you changed to Mailman? Or, if you know of an already existing comparison online somewhere, perhaps you could send me the URL. For pure mailing list capabilities, MM (and other real mailing list managers such as Lsoft's Listserv, majordomo, etc) have Yahoo groups beat hands down. * no advertising (some of which is of less than acceptable topics for lists my kids get!) * Better response time (depending on your connection) But if you are enamored with the extra features in yahoogroups such as the calendar, file sharing, etc - you might be disappointed. None of these others have any of that. Just as well since I hate those things anyway... Yes--if you're looking for community-based mailing lists, MM will not do... I've toyed with writing something around MM to more emulate the YahooGroups functionality that way, as A) I _was_ a user of those features B) People I know who run groups on Yahoo, haven't taken me up on my offer of hosting on my server, because MM *doesn't* offer calendars, integrated web-posting, et cetera, that they actively use.on Yahool. Unfortunately, it's the old axiom: It's a Simple Matter of Programming. Now to only find the _time_ to do that programming. :-/ G. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: How does Mailman compare with YahooGroups?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said the following on 4/27/2004 8:35 PM: Yes--if you're looking for community-based mailing lists, MM will not do... Will NOT do? Hmm ... okay. If you look at what people _use_ Yahoogroups for, it's not just for a mailing list in general--it's being used to schedule get togethers, keep track of members' birthdays, et cetera. Mailman doesn't do all that (at least, not efficiently, unless you count some poor schmuck being stuck with the duties of emailing the whole list every week/month/etc to keep everyone up to date ;) ). And, from the past comments I've seen on the subject, it's not something that interests the dev team (and that's fine.. no one said they had to find it interesting .. I'm just mentioning it as this subject has been brought up in the past... Maybe a future version of Mailman will offer some of those functions. See above :) Thanks for your comments. NP Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Virtual Host question....
Ok.. I was wondering something... when the monthly email reminders come out from Mailman, they're sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] When people on my virtual hosts have monthly email reminders, will they come from [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the default domain? Can there be a separate mailman list for each domain? Just curious.. Thanks, Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2003 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told. -- unattributed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.2 and htdig again.
Richard Barrett wrote: Sorry not to respond before but I just got back from a week away and found your post to mailman-users list. Hey it's all good :) I only just posted it anyway :)--I hope your week away was good. It's nice to be able to take some time off and relax now again! As you look to be using https scheme for accessing your list archives, I think you have tripped over a problem that htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch already fixes. The INSTALL.htdig-mm for that version of the patch says: Sure enough, the pages you pointed me to were the fix to the problem.. I re-extracted the bare mailman-2.1.2 source, and patched in this order: patch -p1 ../templates-2.1.2-0.1.patch patch -p1 ../tcache-2.1.2-0.3.patch patch -p1 ../tz-2.1.2-0.2.patch patch -p1 ../indexing-2.1.2-0.1.patch patch -p1 ../htdig-2.1.2-0.4.patch did ./configure, then make install and voila! it's all working again :) Thanks so much for your help, as always, Richard! :) B*B G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.2 and htdig again.
Ok. I've finally got some time (between work and things going on with my parents lately) to try and fix this problem. I've moved my old mailman directory. I've reconfigured and recompiled 2.1.2 with the following patches (in order): indexing-2.1.2-0.1.patch htdig-2.1.2-0.3.patch templates-2.1.2-0.1.patch did a bare ./configure did a make install Created the mailman site list Created a site password Downloaded installed postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py Restarted postfix, launched mailmanctl, sent test message to new list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message was added to archive. I go to archive--I can read it fine... I even went at this point and ran /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig to be sure things were built... then went to search the archive. I get this: htdig Archives Access Failure The requested list cannot be accessed. test3:test3.htsearch If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the list users information page. If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]: https://www.wingfoot.org/pipermail/test3/ /mailman/mmsearch/test3 In /usr/local/mailman/logs/error: Sep 03 18:40:36 2003 (29336) htsearch for list: test3.htsearch, cause: list, detail: test3:test3.htsearch Sep 03 18:42:00 2003 (29565) htsearch for list: test3.htsearch, cause: list, detail: test3:test3.htsearch /usr/local/mailman/archives 614 $ ls -l total 1 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Sep 3 18:40 htdig drwxrws--x 4 root mailman 512 Sep 3 18:35 private drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Sep 3 18:35 public /usr/local/mailman/archives/htdig 617 $ ls -l total 1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 mailman mailman 58 Sep 3 18:40 test3.conf - /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/test3/htdig/test3.conf lrwxrwxrwx 1 mailman mailman 67 Sep 3 18:40 test3.htsearch.conf - /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/test3/htdig/test3.htsearch.conf /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/test3/htdig 619 $ ls -l total 1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 3072 Sep 3 18:41 db.docdb -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 2048 Sep 3 18:41 db.docs.index -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 482 Sep 3 18:41 db.wordlist -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 2048 Sep 3 18:41 db.words.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 0 Sep 3 18:41 rundig_last_run -rw-rw-rw- 1 mailman mailman 3622 Sep 3 18:40 test3.conf -rw-rw-rw- 1 mailman mailman 3625 Sep 3 18:40 test3.htsearch.conf Attached are my test3.conf and test3.htsearch.conf files I have temporarily killed mailman until I get this resolved. If there are any other files I'm missing, or anything else that I can do to help get this debugged, please let me know. As always, thank you all for your help, in advance. Thanks, Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] I guess it's my week for problems, sorry :(
Richard Barrett said: The error response is saying that a field in the search form that mmsearch.py insists be present is missing. I have compared /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/TOC_htsearch.html with the output the lists are putting on the Archives page. They match: p To search this archive fill in the following form: /p p form method=post action=%(mmsearchcgi)s font size=-1 Match: select name=method option value=andAll option value=orAny option value=booleanBoolean /select Format: select name=format option value=shortShort option value=longLong /select Sort by: select name=sort option value=scoreScore option value=timeTime option value=titleTitle option value=revscoreReverse Score option value=revtimeReverse Time option value=revtitleReverse Title /select /font input type=hidden name=config value=%(listname)s%(htsearchconf)s !-- input type=hidden name=restrict value= input type=hidden name=exclude value= -- br Search: input type=text size=30 name=words value= input type=submit value=Search /form /p p STRONGNote:/STRONGThe archive search index was last rebuilt at %(lastrun)s. Any postings after that will not be found by a search. Index rebuild is usally done once every 24 hours for this list. You can use a View by date link below to access more recent postings. /p The required fields are called: 'method', 'format', 'sort', 'config' and 'words'. They all appear... but the searching still fails. I did notice this: htdig Archives Access Failure The requested list cannot be accessed. mngwedding:mngwedding.htsearch ^^ If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via the list users information page. If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to the [EMAIL PROTECTED]: https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/private/mngwedding/ /mailman/mmsearch/mngwedding That file does not exist anywhere on my hard drive (mngwedding.htsearch). I think the problem is that the file itself is mngwedding.htsearch.conf The blow_away_htdig etc routine I described and as described in INSTALL.htdig-mm should renew per-list search forms from the TOC_htsearch.html template. *nod* That, at least, appears to have worked. Now to get it to look at the right .conf files :) Thanks again, Richard :) Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] OoooOOookay.......
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errr?? Who's whitworks.com and why are they doing a terrible job of masquerading as the owner of this list? G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.2, Postfix 2.0.13, virtual domains
Jim Breton said:
I have set up the above on a FreeBSD 4.7 system with the intention of
being able to host per-virtual-domain mailing lists.
Yay! Another FBSD user! :)
I want to be able to have:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
as completely separate, autonomous lists.
Can't do it :( It'd have to be:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If Mailman had a little more (no offense, I just can't think of a better
term to use) intelligence in it, when you set up for virtual domains it'd
do things like create a directorynamespace like
/usr/local/mailman/lists/domain2.com/, etc. so you *could* put lists with
the same name in different domains...
And if so, I've been having trouble attempting to set it up. Despite
adding virtual domains to the POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS variable in
mm_cfg.py, as well as trying to add add_virtualhost('mail.domain2.com')
invocations to mm_cfg.py, Mailman _always_ tries to create lists in the
default domain.
Example:
$ bin/newlist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... (list created)
data/virtual-mailman:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] virt4
[EMAIL PROTECTED]virt4-admin
...
$ bin/newlist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...
List already exists: virt4
This happens because of the prior explanation...
Hope this helps...
Glenn
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[Mailman-Users] I guess it's my week for problems, sorry :(
When I search two lists, I get this error: (Note: htdig is working for
other lists just fine, just not *these two* lists...)
htdig Archives Access Failure
The requested list cannot be accessed. list:list.htsearch
If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via
the list users information page.
If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to
the [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/private/list/
/mailman/mmsearch/list
Again, I run FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE, MM 2.1.2, Postfix 2.0.10,
postfix-to-mailman.py (for 2.1), and Apache 1.3.27 w/mod_perl.
I did the following steps:
1) check_perms -f (didn't find anything)
2) went to /usr/local/mailman/archives/private and did:
chown -R mailman:mailman *
3) Restarted apache, same error
4) did /usr/local/mailman/bin/blow_away_htdig -v list
5) posted to list
6) did /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig -v list
7) restarted apache (for good measure), same error
I have a /usr/local/www/cgi-bin/htsearch.. it works for other lists.. :-/
If I just go to the archives and click Search on these broken lists, I get:
htdig Archives Access Failure
CGI problem. -5-Field count -4- fields: method,format,sort,config
If you want to make another attempt to access a list archive then go via
the list users information page.
If this problem persists then please e-mail the following information to
the [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/private/list/
/mailman/mmsearch/list
I even found an obscure reference and did the following:
for list in `./list_lists | awk '{print $1}' | grep -v 50`; do ./withlist
-l -r fix_url $list;done
That also didn't fix it.. :-/
This is happening in both Mozilla and IE on my system...
Help?
*makes offers of chocolate*
Thanks in advance,
Glenn
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[Mailman-Users] Question: [Fwd: The results of your email commands]
Hi everyone... I just upgraded to 2.1.2 recently, I have Postfix running, and postfix-to-mailman.py ... this used to work in 2.1, and is now broken.. :( WhatdidIdowrongnow? :-/ I did a search for unprocessed and confirm in the mail archives, but didn't see anything come back that looked like this.. Thanks in advance, as always.. Glenn Original Message Subject: The results of your email commands From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Wed, July 30, 2003 2:36 pm To: ges at wingfoot.org -- The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Unprocessed: Re: You have been invited to join the ListNameRemoved mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Your address [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been invited to join the ListNameRemoved mailing list at lists.wingfoot.org by the ListNameRemoved mailing list owner. You may accept the invitation by simply replying to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. You can also visit this web page: https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/confirm/ListNameRemoved/cc126fa8ddb6a12a4a745126e20baa27404841b5 Or you should include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: confirm cc126fa8ddb6a12a4a745126e20baa27404841b5 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers. If you want to decline this invitation, please simply disregard this message. If you have any questions, please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Ignored: --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess - Done. -- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from localhost (localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BAF15294 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 72023-06 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.wingfoot.org (localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 281B21528E for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 65.246.246.82 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ges) by www.wingfoot.org with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: You have been invited to join the GardMen mailing list From: Glenn Sieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at wingfoot.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Your address [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been invited to join the GardMen mailing list at lists.wingfoot.org by the GardMen mailing list owner. You may accept the invitation by simply replying to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact. You can also visit this web page: https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/confirm/gardmen/cc126fa8ddb6a12a4a745126e20baa27404841b5 Or you should include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: confirm cc126fa8ddb6a12a4a745126e20baa27404841b5 Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most mail readers. If you want to decline this invitation, please simply disregard this message. If you have any questions, please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments Possible?
schuetzen said: if you will read the three or more requests to this list, you will see that I have stated that I have seen and read and done all of the above and that I am still looking for a single switch to turn off all attachments. If Yahoo, using this same software although blended with EZMLM and a mess of scripts, can do this one thing, then it should be able to be done by the programmers of this software. There are a couple of other requests I have made at the same time that have still not been acknowledged or answered. Hi Chas.. What I've done on my lists is, under Content Filtering, where it says Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. Leave this field blank to skip this filter test.: multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain That seems to strip most all attachments that have tried to be posted to my lists... :) Hope it helps, Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Another question.. hopefully more interesting :)
Heya Richard :) Richard Barrett said: Before commenting on the detail of what you do I make the observation that using Secure HTTP and private mail archives are not the same topic. This is correct, and a nice summary of SSL versus private archives, but it has nothing to do with my question, unfortunately :-/ You should read the comments in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. I will do so again, but Defaults.py can just read like Beetlejuice style stereo instructions at times :-/ DEFAULT_URL is obsolete and only for compatibility reasons, is defined as None in Defaults.py and should not be defined in mm_cfg.py. snip There is not such animal as PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL in the MM lexicon. This variable is being completely ignored. Ok, fair 'nuff. Things to note: I probably got most of these settings either A) from reading this list or B) reading HOWTOs on the web... my Mailman server has been up for a number of months now, and I don't exactly recall where I got most of the settings I used. Private archives are served by a Mailman CGI script in file $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py which is invoked (assuming a default install) by the URI /mailman/private Correct--please note my question had to do with having one hostname behind SSL, and others (virtual hostnames) not behind SSL. The installation as it stands has been running for a while now and I have no complaints with it's performance. This is no surprise as URLs for all Mailman CGI programs are formed from DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN I still put the reference in, so you could see that I had taken the basic logical steps in figuring this out. :) Which is a pretty good hint that you do not want to do this. Again read the comments in Defaults.py before you mess with this stuff. Maybe what I can/should do, is, go through Defaults.py and see if I can clean up the wording to make it easier to understand in those spots that are clearly written by programmers for programmers? :) btw: I assume you are restarting mailmanctl running fix_url.py after fixing your mm_cfg.py. Yup. If you want to use HTTPS for private archives and HTTP for public archives, the simplest approach is to say: This was not my question. My question was: Virtual Hosts. I have a primary host (wingfoot), and others (domain2.org, etc). I apologize, but I thought I had been pretty clear in that my whole question was that I wish Wingfoot's Mailman to be behind SSL and the other domains Mailmans *not* to be behind SSL. So, is it possible to do what I need to in one instance of Mailman, or do I need two instances of Mailman? And, if I do need two instances of Mailman, is that even possible to do so on one box without them clobbering each other? Thank you! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Another question.. hopefully more interesting :)
Richard Barrett said: Must have missed that the first time around or at least failed to grasp why it was of concern. If I am honest fail to see why you have a problem with all the virtual hosts using the same scheme but what the heck, its your system. Easy--because SSL isn't very friendly for virtual domains unless you specify a separate IP address for *every* domain. (Remember--SSL works on the *IP* level, not on the HTTP server level--so right now having the other domains reply to https: means they're using my (Wingfoot's) certificate, which causes all kinds of screaming by browsers, and just Looks Ugly(tm).) For any of us who've ever been hosted at places like phpwebhosting.com, you know exactly what I'm talking about.. :) So, since IPs cost $, plus the time and hassle to have to go through a network renumber... I'm all about avoiding that. :) It would appear not. There is only one DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and one PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL per mm_cfg.py file. The value of those variables define the scheme to be used in URL's generated by the MM software that accesses that file. I think it is safe to assume that all the virtual hosts being supported by that MM installation will those values and hence use the same scheme. *nod* Ok... I would think that running ./configure with two different values of --with-prefix, followed by make install for each, would be the simplest approach and work just fine. I am sure you can work out the additional entries in your httpd.conf for the 'https server' and the 'http server' to coexist. And you have the to ensure that mail aliases supported by the two MM installs do not collide as far as your MTA is concerned. Ok fair enough.. I'll give this a shot... I'll let you know how it turns out... Thanks, Richard! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Invite vs. Subscribe Bugreport.. is this fixed in2.1?
I have found that if I invite someone to join a list, and they reply via email to activate, my maillog looks like this: Jul 26 21:03:13 caduceus postfix/qmgr[78907]: 023A11528D: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=2809, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 26 21:03:13 caduceus postfix/smtpd[42046]: disconnect from localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] Jul 26 21:03:13 caduceus amavis[41624]: (41624-03) Passed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 26 21:03:13 caduceus amavis[41624]: (41624-03) TIMING [total 817 ms] - SMTP EHLO: 1 (0%), SMTP pre-MAIL: 0 (0%), SMTP pre-DATA-flush: 3 (0%), SMTP DATA: 94 (11%), body hash: 0 (0%), mime_decode: 10 (1%), get-file-type: 19 (2%), decompose_part: 1 (0%), parts: 0 (0%), AV-scan-1: 561 (69%), fwd-connect: 6 (1%), fwd-mail-from: 2 (0%), fwd-rcpt-to: 3 (0%), write-header: 3 (0%), fwd-data: 1 (0%), fwd-rundown: 108 (13%), unlink-1-files: 3 (0%), rundown: 0 (0%) Jul 26 21:03:13 caduceus postfix/smtp[42043]: 2FAC31528E: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1], delay=1, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=41624-03, from MTA: 250 Ok: queued as 023A11528D) Jul 26 21:03:13 caduceus postfix/pipe[42549]: 023A11528D: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=mailman, delay=0, status=bounced (Command died with status 1: /usr/local/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py. Command output: TO ACCESS THE MAILING LIST SYSTEM: Start your web browser on https://lists.wingfoot.org/ That web page will help you subscribe or unsubscribe, and will give you directions on how to post to each mailing list. ) Jul 26 21:03:13 caduceus postfix/cleanup[42042]: 7EC101529F: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 26 21:03:13 caduceus postfix/qmgr[78907]: 7EC101529F: from=, size=5024, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jul 26 21:03:13 caduceus spamd[330]: connection from localhost.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1] at port 4490 Now, if I, as the user, go to the main page of the list, and ask it to subscribe me, and then reply to the email, it all works fine I'm running MM 2.1, Python 2.2.2, Apache 1.3.27 with mod_ssl If this is something fixed in a newer version of 2.1, I guess it's time to update.. :) Thanks, again... Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Invite vs. Subscribe Bugreport.. is this fixed in2.1?
Arrgh.
It was a problem with postfix-to-mailman.py. I had {mailbox} not {user} in
my main.cf... the version of p-t-m.py I had, had said use:
mailman unix - n n - - pipe
flags=FR user=mailman:mailman
argv=/usr/local/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py ${nexthop} ${mailbox}
instead of:
mailman unix - n n - - pipe
flags=FR user=mailman:mailman
argv=/usr/local/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py ${nexthop} ${user}
Welp, it was a good excuse to upgrade postfix-to-mailman.py and mailman to
2.1.2, anywho...
I am, however, glad it wasn't a Mailman bug :
G'night...
Glenn
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[Mailman-Users] Giving a virtual domain it's own mmsitepass..?
Hey everyone :) I'm still running mm 2.1, and just got it set up for virtual domains (yay!). I'd like to give each admin of a domain the ability to maintain their own site's lists.. but only their own site's lists... Is the syntax: mmsitepass -c domain.tld ? I know I saw it posted recently, but I'm not finding it in the archives... Thanks for the help, as always! Blonde-ingly yours, Glenn :) --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Another question.. hopefully more interesting :)
Hi everyone...
I currently run Mailman (2.1) (which I love.. great job, guys!), and use
it to run a few private lists behind SSL. I have recently been asked to do
some virtual domain hosting for some friends, and would like to provide
them with their own Mailman lists, should they wish.
In mm_cfg.py I have:
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.wingfoot.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.wingfoot.org'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
DEFAULT_URL = 'https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'www.wingfoot.org':'lists.wingfoot.org',
'www.domain2.org':'lists.domain2.org',
'www.domain3.com':'lists.domain3.com',
'www.domain4.org':'lists.domain4.org'}
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST,DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('www.domain2.org','lists.domain2.org')
add_virtualhost('www.domain3.com','lists.domain3.com')
add_virtualhost('www.domain4.org','lists.domain4.org')
Now.. when I create a list under Wingfoot, it has all the
https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/listinfo stuff all correct. Since, that's
how I access my listserver, this is the expected behavior... :)
When I create one, say, from domain2, it *also* gets
https://www.domain2.org/mailman/listinfo stuff... even though the URL to
access that list is in http://www.domain2.org/mailman/listinfo :-/
I have tried commenting out the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN to no avail. If I
change it to http://%s/etc that works.. but then lists on Wingfoot break.
Is what I'm trying to do possible with one instance of Mailman? Should I
install a 2nd instance? Can I even do that?
Hopefully this is chewy-good-for-thought stuff and not a You idjit! Read
the archives! (I checked, but didn't see anything that screamed
Conclusive.)
Thanks guys.. and again, I appreciate all the help you've been over the
past not-quite-year, and all your hard work and effort into the Mailman
project. :)
Thanks,
Glenn
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 67
Norbert Brazda said: Is there a way how I can find out (debug) reasons why Mailman discards messages without notice? Yes, I'd like to know this as well.. I had a user who had to go create a new account because mailman would drop her mails without notice. :-/ G. (Running MM 2.1, FreeBSD, SpamAssassin, AMaViS, the email itself was not being tagged as spam or a virus by either SA or AMaViS) --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Starting qrunner for FreeBSD
John Michael Mars said: There is not BSD specific documentation in there. I was thinking about submitting a patch for anyone who wants it... Basically, (I use OpenBSD), you need to set this stuff in /etc/rc.local and /etc/rc.shutdown instead of /etc/rc.d/init.d. BSDs are BSDish. Linux is SysVish. The layout of some of the file system (including config files) is a bit different. Linux, being the most popular, is the one that typically gets documented and BSDers just have to get to it themselves. In FreeBSD the startup scripts are in /usr/local/etc/rc.d --G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Having trouble getting mail from a user toa list...
Can anyone help me debug this? I don't understand why this one user is being discarded... :-/ Thanks, Glenn At 09:51 PM 6/22/2003 -0400, Glenn Sieb posted the following... Here's the scenario--Mailman 2.1, ht://Dig patches, under Postfix/SpamAssassin/Amavis She is a member of the list, she sees posts just fine.. she sends one and here's a sample of what we get in the logs: Maillog for session: Jun 22 21:40:40 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: connect from imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] Jun 22 21:40:40 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: C86D815233: client=imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] Jun 22 21:40:41 caduceus postfix/cleanup[81398]: C86D815233: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/qmgr[40016]: C86D815233: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=11213, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) ESMTP:10024 /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: SIZE=11213 from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79636-05 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) body hash: 13e0ebc76021f37c9608f5d4822c05c6 Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Checking: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Using NAI McAfee AntiVirus (uvscan): /usr/local/bin/uvscan --secure -rv --summary --noboot /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) run_av: /usr/local/bin/uvscan status=0 (0 ),Scanning /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/*\nScanning file /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-1\nScanning file /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-2\nScanning file /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-3\n\nSummary report on /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/*\nFile(s)\n...Total files: ... ...3\n...Clean: . ...3\n...Possibly Infected: . ...0 Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) spam_scan: hits=3.8 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_FONT_COLOR_GRAY,HTML_FONT_COLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_FACE_ODD,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) FWD via SMTP: [127.0.0.1:10025] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: connect from localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: C47C215251: client=localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/cleanup[81398]: C47C215251: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/qmgr[40016]: C47C215251: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=11669, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Passed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: disconnect from localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) TIMING [total 1025 ms] - SMTP EHLO: 1 (0%), SMTP pre-MAIL: 0 (0%), SMTP pre-DATA-flush: 3 (0%), SMTP DATA: 191 (19%), body hash: 1 (0%), mime_decode: 27 (3%), get-file-type: 22 (2%), get-file-type: 20 (2%), get-file-type: 20 (2%), decompose_part: 1 (0%), decompose_part: 0 (0%), decompose_part: 0 (0%), parts: 0 (0%), AV-scan-1: 389 (38%), SA msg read: 2 (0%), SA parse: 1 (0%), SA check: 57 (6%), fwd-connect: 17 (2%), fwd-mail-from: 2 (0%), fwd-rcpt-to: 2 (0%), write-header: 4 (0%), fwd-data: 5 (0%), fwd-rundown: 105 (10%), unlink-3-files: 156 (15%), rundown: 0 (0%) Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/smtp[81399]: C86D815233: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1], delay=3, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=79636-05, from MTA: 250 Ok: queued as C47C215251) Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/pipe[81412]: C47C215251: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=mailman, delay=1, status=sent (lists.wingfoot.org) Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: disconnect from imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] Vette log (what *is* Vette for anyway?--it was the only log file to change during this) Jun 22 21:40:43 2003 (74116) Message discarded, msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We've deleted her account, recreated it, and reapproved her sub--and she's still being discarded.. what would cause this? If I'm missing any helpful info here, please let me know... Thanks, Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ges%2Blists%40wingfoot.org --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c
[Mailman-Users] Having trouble getting mail from a user to a list...
Here's the scenario--Mailman 2.1, ht://Dig patches, under Postfix/SpamAssassin/Amavis She is a member of the list, she sees posts just fine.. she sends one and here's a sample of what we get in the logs: Maillog for session: Jun 22 21:40:40 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: connect from imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] Jun 22 21:40:40 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: C86D815233: client=imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] Jun 22 21:40:41 caduceus postfix/cleanup[81398]: C86D815233: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/qmgr[40016]: C86D815233: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=11213, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) ESMTP:10024 /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: SIZE=11213 from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (caduceus.wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79636-05 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) body hash: 13e0ebc76021f37c9608f5d4822c05c6 Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Checking: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Using NAI McAfee AntiVirus (uvscan): /usr/local/bin/uvscan --secure -rv --summary --noboot /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) run_av: /usr/local/bin/uvscan status=0 (0 ),Scanning /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/*\nScanning file /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-1\nScanning file /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-2\nScanning file /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/part-3\n\nSummary report on /var/amavis/amavis-20030622T213420-79636/parts/*\nFile(s)\n...Total files: ... ...3\n...Clean: . ...3\n...Possibly Infected: . ...0 Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) spam_scan: hits=3.8 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_FONT_COLOR_GRAY,HTML_FONT_COLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_FONT_FACE_ODD,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) FWD via SMTP: [127.0.0.1:10025] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: connect from localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: C47C215251: client=localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/cleanup[81398]: C47C215251: message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/qmgr[40016]: C47C215251: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=11669, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) Passed, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 22 21:40:42 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81411]: disconnect from localhost.wingfoot.org[127.0.0.1] Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus amavis[79636]: (79636-05) TIMING [total 1025 ms] - SMTP EHLO: 1 (0%), SMTP pre-MAIL: 0 (0%), SMTP pre-DATA-flush: 3 (0%), SMTP DATA: 191 (19%), body hash: 1 (0%), mime_decode: 27 (3%), get-file-type: 22 (2%), get-file-type: 20 (2%), get-file-type: 20 (2%), decompose_part: 1 (0%), decompose_part: 0 (0%), decompose_part: 0 (0%), parts: 0 (0%), AV-scan-1: 389 (38%), SA msg read: 2 (0%), SA parse: 1 (0%), SA check: 57 (6%), fwd-connect: 17 (2%), fwd-mail-from: 2 (0%), fwd-rcpt-to: 2 (0%), write-header: 4 (0%), fwd-data: 5 (0%), fwd-rundown: 105 (10%), unlink-3-files: 156 (15%), rundown: 0 (0%) Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/smtp[81399]: C86D815233: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1], delay=3, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=79636-05, from MTA: 250 Ok: queued as C47C215251) Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/pipe[81412]: C47C215251: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=mailman, delay=1, status=sent (lists.wingfoot.org) Jun 22 21:40:43 caduceus postfix/smtpd[81397]: disconnect from imo-m01.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.4] Vette log (what *is* Vette for anyway?--it was the only log file to change during this) Jun 22 21:40:43 2003 (74116) Message discarded, msgid: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We've deleted her account, recreated it, and reapproved her sub--and she's still being discarded.. what would cause this? If I'm missing any helpful info here, please let me know... Thanks, Glenn -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo! Group Archive Conversion
Tobias Brasier said: Does anyone have experience converting Yahoo! Group archives to mailman archives? Many thanks. Yes yes! Do a google for Yahoo2mbox.pl! :) I converted a highly active list (about 200 subscribers, over a period of 6 years) to mbox format just peachy :) It does, however, consume time, and depending on the size of the list, may take a few days. B*B G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Logging question...
Hey everyone.. running MM 2.1 on FreeBSD 4.8 with Postfix/AMaViS/SpamAssassin I had a user ask me why an email she sent never got posted to a list she's a proper member of.. so I went to investigate.. saw that yes, she indeed posted a message, it hit my SMTP, went through SA/AMaViS and through to Mailman, but it never went anywhere from there. So.. I went to look at the Mailman logs... they're um.. well.. empty. My guess is it is a perms thing... they're mostly owned by mailman:mailman with perms of 644, except for subscribe which is owned by www:mailman perms of 644 What are the proper permissions for the log files in /usr/local/mailman/logs? Thank you! :) Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Logging question...
Richard Barrett said: Usually 0664 for the files in $prefix/logs but the best way to get this right is by running '$prefix/bin/check_perms -f' as either root or the mailman user. This makes sure the setgid bit on directories are also correct. I usually stop mailmanctl and the local MTA while check_perms is doing its fix thing. Hey Richard! Thanks for the reply :) I did the check_perms -f (twice for good measure), and it found nothing... But why would my logs be empty? Are there directives in mm_cfg.py that I'm missing, perchance? The only logs that have anything are bounce (that was back in May) and error.1.gz (which was an apachectl stop/startssl) Thanks! Glenn (an ls -l of /usr/local/mailman/logs:) -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 94981 May 8 21:13 bounce -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3681 Jun 17 16:59 error -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman102 Jun 17 00:00 error.0.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1270 Jun 16 00:00 error.1.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 15 00:00 error.2.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 14 00:00 error.3.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 13 00:00 error.4.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 12 00:00 error.5.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 11 00:00 error.6.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman100 Jun 10 00:00 error.7.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:00 mischief -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman105 Jun 17 00:00 mischief.0.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman179 Jun 16 00:00 mischief.1.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman101 Jun 15 00:00 mischief.2.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman190 Jun 14 00:00 mischief.3.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman101 Jun 13 00:00 mischief.4.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman102 Jun 12 00:00 mischief.5.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman168 Jun 11 00:00 mischief.6.gz -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman103 Jun 10 00:00 mischief.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:00 post -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman101 Jun 17 00:00 post.0.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 16 00:00 post.1.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 15 00:00 post.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 96 Jun 14 00:00 post.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 13 00:00 post.4.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 12 00:00 post.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 11 00:00 post.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 10 00:00 post.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1056 Jun 17 16:59 qrunner -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman104 Jun 17 00:00 qrunner.0.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman101 Jun 16 00:00 qrunner.1.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman100 Jun 15 00:00 qrunner.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 14 00:00 qrunner.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman100 Jun 13 00:00 qrunner.4.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman101 Jun 12 00:00 qrunner.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman101 Jun 11 00:00 qrunner.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman102 Jun 10 00:00 qrunner.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:00 smtp -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman101 Jun 17 00:00 smtp.0.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 16 00:00 smtp.1.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 15 00:00 smtp.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 96 Jun 14 00:00 smtp.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 13 00:00 smtp.4.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 12 00:00 smtp.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 11 00:00 smtp.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 10 00:00 smtp.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman 63 Jun 17 00:01 subscribe -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman106 Jun 17 00:01 subscribe.0.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman103 Jun 16 00:01 subscribe.1.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman102 Jun 15 00:01 subscribe.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman101 Jun 14 00:01 subscribe.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman102 Jun 13 00:01 subscribe.4.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman103 Jun 12 00:01 subscribe.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman103 Jun 11 00:01 subscribe.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 www mailman242 Jun 10 00:01 subscribe.7.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 63 Jun 17 00:01 vette -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman102 Jun 17 00:01 vette.0.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 16 00:01 vette.1.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 15 00:01 vette.2.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 Jun 14 00:01 vette.3.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 98 Jun 13 00:01 vette.4.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 12 00:01 vette.5.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 Jun 11 00:01 vette.6.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman100 Jun 10 00:01 vette.7.gz --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users
Re: [Mailman-Users] Logging question...
Richard Barrett said: Looking at your listing for the logs directory, most of the files are not group writable. My guess is that is why not a whole lot is being written to them. Hmm. Good point. I just updated newsyslog.conf. I must have typo'd that :-/ I note that only the bounce, error and mischief logs are group writable and those seem have some contents. And coincidentially they had 664 in newsyslog.conf :-/ and the logs directory has the following permissions drwxrwsr-x3 mailman mailman 4608 Jun 17 00:45 logs So does mine.. I think the set gid on the directory keeps everything in order as log rotation is done. I confess I am surprised that check_perms did not find any problems. It may be worth setting the permissions by hand and seeing if that makes any difference. I just set them.. *crosses fingers* :) btw: what are you using to do your log rotation. I'm using newsyslog, now with the following new entries: # Adding mailman logs # 1/3/2003, ges # Changed 6/17 due to screwup --ges /usr/local/mailman/logs/debug www:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/digest mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/error mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/mischief mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/postmailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/qrunner mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtpmailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/subscribe www:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z /usr/local/mailman/logs/vette mailman:mailman 664 7 100 @T00 Z Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] Disabling VERP
Tom Maddox said: I tried twiddling the VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL setting, but it made no difference. Hey Tom... a couple of questions (forgive me if they sound silly, or if they've already been asked): 1) Are you changing ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py--not ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py? (and if you're changing Defaults.py, you may want to check mm_cfg.py... however, in practice you really don't want to muck with Defaults.py...) 1) Have you stopped restarted Apache? (apachectl stop apachectl start(ssl)) 2) Have you stopped restarted mailman? (mailmanctl restart) 3) Have you made sure you don't have more than one instance of mailman installed? (This was a cause of much headache for me at one point, when I didn't realize that I had a test install that was active...) Hopefully this will help, or at least get you on the right track in finding out what's going on... G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear All acts of Love and Pleasure are Her rituals-Charge of the Goddess -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Question about special MM tags...
Hey all! Is there a list somewhere of the MM-whatever-here tags used in the HTML pages of lists? I've searched the web, to no avail... Thanks!!! :) Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told. -- unattributed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Ok.. got everything working..
At 07:27 PM 1/12/2003 +, Richard Barrett wrote: VIRTUAL_HOSTS MAILMAN_SITE_LIST DEFAULT_HOST_NAME DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST Arrgh. The problem was I was missing: add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) in mm_cfg.py. Now it's mch better :) Thanks again, Richard :))) B*B G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told. -- unattributed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Ok.. got everything working..
At 07:27 PM 1/12/2003 +, Richard Barrett wrote: VIRTUAL_HOSTS MAILMAN_SITE_LIST DEFAULT_HOST_NAME DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST Arrgh. The problem was I was missing: add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) in mm_cfg.py. Now it's mch better :) Thanks again, Richard :))) B*B G. --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told. -- unattributed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Ok.. got everything working..
At 01:12 PM 1/12/2003 +, Richard Barrett posted the following... Depends on how you want to change it. Assuming you've checked out the final setup notes in INSTALL file, the notes in Defaults.py and made your changes in mm_cfg.py I've read INSTALL, there seems to be nothing there showing me how to change that [EMAIL PROTECTED] to something useful. Neither was there anything in Defaults.py that I could find.. I searched archives and found MAILMAN_OWNER, but that also does not appear in the Defaults.py file. I have placed that entry into my mm_cfg.py, to no avail. You will probably want to use the $prefix/bin/fix_url.py bin/withlist script to get the changes in mm_cfg.py to propagate to an existing list. Well this is on the list of lists page (https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/listinfo) ... Again, thank you for all your help :) Of all that was going on, this is pretty minor, and certainly liveable for now. I just figured this would/should be an easily changed setting... Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told. -- unattributed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Ok.. got everything working..
Just a minor question: On my listinfo page it says: Send questions or comments to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] How do I change that? I can't find anything in Defaults.py (and list.org seems to be down)... I don't remember if it was like this with the prior install or not. I've searched the web, to no avail.. the only thing I found was to put MAILMAN_OWNER = 'whatever' in mm_cfg.py .. however, even after a full stop restart of Apache, this hasn't worked. So just curious.. how do I change this is 2.1 final? Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told. -- unattributed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about fixing an install..
At 06:46 PM 1/3/2003 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw posted the following... It would be worth investigating why you still get this. You shouldn't! I'm in full agreement with you on this :) You cd to /usr/local/mailman and type bin/list_lists. Does the mailman list show up there? It should. (Stuff deleted for privacy) Mailman - [no description available] Test2 - A test list for Glenn to play with. Yup it's there... :) The databases for 2.1b5, 2.1rc1, and 2.1final are completely identical so your files should work just fine in any of those versions, although of course I'll recommend moving to 2.1 final instead of messing with betas or release candidates. I don't think any of those will have any effect on your site-list problem. Ok cool.. I'll hang out on 2.1b5 then until 2.1 final comes out... So, what do I need to post in order to help figure out what's going on here? :-/ Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told. -- unattributed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig Success and a question or 3..
At 07:21 AM 1/8/2003 +, Richard Barrett posted the following... /mailman/htdig/ is correct. This is explained in the file $build/INSTALL.htdig-mm installed by the #444884 patch. In part it says: *duck* sorry, my bad :) quote $prefix/cgi-bin/htdig $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py /quote Ok.. I've removed my HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL from my mm_cfg.py.. now I've restarted Apache, and gone to a list with archives... When I search, I get htdig's nice search results.. and when I hover over a link: https://www.wingfoot.org/mailman/htdig/testing5/2003-January.txt That's the link that shows.. but when I click on it I get: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. My /var/log/httpd-error.log shows: [Thu Jan 9 00:30:34 2003] [error] [client 67.85.96.168] Premature end of script headers: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/htdig I've searched the FAQ with no luck.. :-/ (This is all why I thought I fixed it by changing HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL...sorry for the confusion...) Anyway--I really do appreciate all the help you all have been :) This list is a great resource! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told. -- unattributed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman/htdig Success and a question or 3..
First I just want to say: MAILMAN ROCKS! :) I managed to get 2.1 and htdig all running together and working peachykeen... :) it's a beautiful thing! My monthly mailers all work now, creating lists from the webinterface works, etc! However--a suggestion? In Defaults.py, once all the patches are added, we now see: ARCHIVE_INDEXING_ENABLE = '!--/htdig_noindex--' ARCHIVE_INDEXING_DISABLE = '!--htdig_noindex--' # htdig integration parameters # if you set USE_HTDIG then you must also set HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK # and HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH to suit your htdig installation, for instance: # HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman' # HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig' USE_HTDIG = 0# 0 - don't use integrated htdig, 1 - use it HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/htdig/' # must end in a slash HTDIG_SEARCH_URL = '/cgi-bin/htsearch' HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdig/' HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'htdig') HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman' HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/bin/rundig' Now.. as far as I can tell, HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL is just wrong. /mailman/htdig/ isn't the location of archives using Pipermail.. it's /mailman/pipermail ... So I'm wondering: 1) Am I just reading this wrong? Is my setup somehow b0rken? I had to set HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/pipermail/' in mm_cfg.py 2) What about private archives? Can there be (maybe in a future version) HTDIG_PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL ? As it stands, I have to manually edit the listname.conf to fix it for private archives... hardly a big deal, but I'm just the curious type... 3) I'm using the postfix-to-mailman.py (modified to work with 2.1--easy enough, if anyone would like a copy, I'll happily post it), and do not use mailman's aliases file--is there a way to stop mailman from writing to this data/aliases file? Not a biggie, I'm still just a curious guy :) Again... you guys rock!!! :) Thanks, Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told. -- unattributed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Question about fixing an install..
I am still running 2.1b5, and would like to upgrade to 2.1RC1... but I'd like to resolve this one eetsy problem. I had failed to create the mailman list as the first list in my install. I have since done so--but I still get the cron error: Site list is missing: mailman So I figure, hey.. I want to upgrade to RC1... is there a way I can make this a smooth transition and fix this error? Can I back up my old lists, then back up my mailman directory, install the new version, create the mailman list, and finally import all the settings and such into the new install? Will this cause any of my list owners grief? Thanks! Glenn --- The original portions of this message are the copyright of the author (c)1998-2002 Glenn E. Sieb.ICQ UIN: 300395IRC Nick: Rainbear Religion is for those who do what they are told regardless of what is right. Spirituality is for those who do what is right regardless of what they are told. -- unattributed -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
