[Marxism] Now online: Re Palestine - report of the democratic opposition in the 1947 UN debate on Palestine

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Hi there, 

it is now online at www.mlwerke.de or more directly at 
http://www.mlwerke.de/NatLib/default.htm 


There was a democratic opposition in the Fall 1947 UN General Assembly 
resisting the colonialist partition plan. This was "Sub-Committee 2 of the ad 
hoc Committee on the Palestinian Question" and its analysis and proposals were 
largely forgotten seen the normative power of the facts. 

This committee explained that the partition plan was not only against the 
charter of the UN, but would also result in a non viable situation. It proposed 
three draft resolutions concerning 

1. to call the International Court of Justice to consider the legality of the 
UNGA discussing such a colonial partition plan; 

2. to solve the problem of the Jewish refugees by the countries concerned, not 
the small and poor Palestina; 

3. to propose cornerstones of a democratic constitution of a unitary republic 
Palestine with equal rights for all and nobody to be discriminated by color of 
the skin, religion, birth, etc. 

In its appendix, the Committee supplied a number of statistics about the 
demography and economy of post war Palestine. 

In the editors Supplements, you wil find in Supplement 1 a time table of the UN 
dealing with the Palestine Question in 1947, and the voting record on the 
various resolutions, all this drawn from the official UN documents. 

In Supplement 2, you will find documents how the warring imperialist parties in 
the 1st World War tried to dupe Jews for the war in Europe, and Arabs for the 
British conquest of the "land bridge to India". The chapter from the 1937 Royal 
Peel Commission Report shows that the main purpose of the Balfour declaration 
was the situation of the European war in the fall of 1917, with the Russian 
Revolution going on and threatening to take Russia out of the Entente war 
coalition. You find also the leaflet which the united Austro-German armies 
distributed "To the Jews in Poland" - in Yiddish, but in a latin transcript. 


Go to www.mlwerke.de or more directly to 
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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Re: [Marxism] Exploiting women for reactionary and race-baiting campaigns

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 on Sonntag, 10. Januar 2016 at 15:47, Kathleen McCook via Marxism wrote:

> of course. it could not be real to most men.this has not happened to you.
> you feel better dismissing it? you do not want women in the public sphere?
> it happens. it happens in subways. it happens in concert crowds. it happens
> anywhere 

   Yes, and it needs to be addressed. 

  The real thing to do about all that groping is what a women reported in an 
interview with the n-tv TV news station, who was in that dense throng of people 
at the only door left open to get in or out of the central train station. 

  She told the TV reporter that at one moment she felt a hand touching her 
buttock, which prompted her to grab the person in front of her, whom she 
assumed to be the perpetrator, to give him a slap in the face, but before she 
could actually hit him, that man jumped back (as far as he could in that 
densely pressed throng of people) with an expression of fright in his face. 
'Encourageing women to defend themselves. To be assertive. To be proud and 
conscious of their own importance. 

   But you seem to think that the Ku Kux Klan and Donald Trump are there to 
help you. 

  And you join in this hyperventilating campaign which, besides the racist 
campaign aiming "North Africans and Arabs", actually aims at physical 
separation of men and women in public spheres -- the newly elected mayor of  
Cologne, Henriette Reker, said that women should allways keep a distance of at 
least one arm's length from men. 

  Thinking further on the line of that idiotic proposal, one does actually 
arrive at this kind of gender apartheid where women have to sit in the back of 
the bus, where there are separate areas of seats for men and women in a cinema, 
where therer are separate doors and seperate water fountains marked for "men 
only" and "women only". 

  Do you really think that this is the way you want to be going to? 


 
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Re: [Marxism] About Amazon

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 on Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 at 02:14, Philip Ferguson via Marxism wrote:

> Amazon - the global digital East India Company of the 21st Century?:
> https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/amazon-the-global-digital-east-india-company-of-the-21st-century/

  as usual, P. Ferguson is adorning himself with foreign feathers. Others link 
to the actual place of the article, he simply grabs it and presents it as if it 
was his own. 

  Only a small note at the end: 
> The above is from a worker in Germany; we have taken it form the Irish 
> left-wing site, The Cedar Lounge Revolution, here. 

   "Here" is 
http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/amazon-the-global-digital-east-india-company/
 

  Ferguson is a little Amazon  exploiting other people's work. 
 


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[Marxism] "Leftists" believing racist lies (was: Exploiting women for reactionary and race-baiting campaigns

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 on Montag, 11. Januar 2016 at 03:20, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:

> . But as far as what happened in Cologne, that kind of sexual violence 
> -- gang rapes by party-goers -- 

   What?  

   Who implanted you with this blatant lie? 
  
   And why in the first place can you believe such a nonsense of the gutter 
press? 

  Anyway, you are living proof of the power of the racist campaign going on in 
Germany. 

  In what world are you living? In Alice's wonderland behind the mirror? 

  We are talking about New Years Eve, with thousands and tens of thousands of 
people in the streets, celebrating the new year with fireworks, drinking, 
singing and so on. 

   We are talking about a large open place which is being overseen by dozens of 
video cameras. 

  We are talking about two extremely dense throngs of people on both sides of 
the only door open to the central railway station. 

  How do you think, "gang rape" could have happened there? 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Exploiting women for reactionary and race-baiting campaigns

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on Montag, 11. Januar 2016 at 04:40, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Lüko Willms  wrote:

>> on Sonntag, 10. Januar 2016 at 18:18, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

>> *> ANY man, whatever social class or ethnicity, that sexually attacks a
>> woman, > must be severely dealt with. I'm open to a long jail sentence - or
>> worse! *   like a life sentence or death for touching the buttock, for
>> example?

> reply - Are you seriously comparing rape/molestation to unwanted
> touching?

 No, but you obviously are. We are talking here about a racist campaign where 
on the basis there are arson attacks on houses where refugees from the "war on 
terror" are living or such houses which are prepared for that, and also gun 
shots on houses of refugees. This receives now a thick cover and encouragement 
from the bourgeois media and politicians which call for more restriction of 
democratic rights. Higher punishments, faster deportations, more military gear 
for the cops. 
 
 And you believe that faster deportation of undocumented workers in the USA is 
an act of womens liberation? 

 Rape is not of issue here, it is "only" gropings which are being used as bait 
for this racist campaign. And obviously you took the bait and are fantasising I 
don't know what the Faux News are all planting in your head. 

 But thanks for your previous message which I had replied to, you brought me on 
the right track, reminding me of the lynching of Black men in the USA.  The 
false claims of white women being raped by Black men.  And you are now 
believing such lying racist propaganda? 

>>  A repetition of that is going on in Germany, and spreading world wide.
>> And you want to side with the lynch mobs? Since that is the question!

  The question posed by the campaign launched after the New Years Eve is this: 

  Do you believe that the Ku Kux Klan is a womens liberation movement? 
  Or that Donald Trump should become POTUS in order to enhance women's rights? 
   

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Re: [Marxism] About Amazon, and how to fight them

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 on Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 at 04:08, Andrew Pollack via Marxism wrote:

>  workers' struggles, especially by Amazon workers, 

  Einde O'Callahan mentioned the ongoing struggles of the Amazon workers in 
Germany, led by he trade union "Verdi". Verdi stands for "VEReinigte 
DIenstleistungsgewerkschaft", or united service union. Sometimes written as 
"Gewerkschaft Ver.di", with a dot in it. 
 
  Verdi wants Amazon to pay their workers at the rates of retail commerces, but 
Amazon insists that they are a logistics company, and therefore are entitled to 
pay the lower wages of that branch. 

   Verdi  conducts the struggle in a self-defeating way. They organise strikes 
in only one or at most two of the at least four Amazon distributing centers in 
Germany, and only for one or at most two days, and only demanding that Amazon 
sits down to negotiate. But Amazon is only laughing at them. Their distribution 
logistic allows them to direct delivery commands to any other warehouse, and so 
the workers there have to to the picking in the long alleys of the warehouse. 

  By continuing this ineffective way, Verdi is destroying their own 
credibility. 

  The only way is to organize a strike in ALL distribution centers, and keep it 
going until Amazon signs the framework contract of the Retail industry. And 
coordinating this with the unions in neighbouring countries organizing Amazon 
workers there, in order  to boycott all deliveries to Germany from those 
centers. 

  Coupled with a wide public campaign for solidarity, and linking this workers 
struggle with the campaign against TTIP, the secret "Transatlantic Trade and 
Investment Partnership". 
  
 
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Re: [Marxism] Exploiting women for reactionary and race-baiting campaigns, or lynching Blacks for women's rights?

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on Sonntag, 10. Januar 2016 at 17:48, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

> When Trotsky spoke of the racist
> attitudes of white American workers towards Blacks including lynchings, he
> said that "we must teach the American beasts!" The same goes for attackers
> of women. I would think this to be ABC for "Marxists."

  Well said. 

  But here we are confronted with a repetion of such racist attitudes, and you 
claim that those "white American workers" acted to protect women's rights when 
they lynched a Black man for purportingly having raped a white woman? 
 
  That is the issue.  
 
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Re: [Marxism] Cologne

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 on Montag, 11. Januar 2016 at 00:25, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:

> I am reminded of the tension around a rape more than 30 years ago in New 
> Bedford, Massachusetts.

   But please come down on the hard floor of  realitiy. 

  The racist campaign launched exploits groping. 

  The media here talked about one possible case of rape, but there are no 
proofs of that at all. That would have been visible in at least one of the 
surveillance cameras on the place. 
  
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Re: [Marxism] Exploiting women for reactionary and race-baiting campaigns

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on Montag, 11. Januar 2016 at 15:18, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

> I cannot consider this completely dishonest person to be a "comrade" and
> will not attempt anything in the way of a dialogue. 

  What is dishonest about quoting your own words? 

  What is dishonest about stating the fact that you made yourself the voice of 
this vicious racist campaign? 

  YOU are giving credence to all these invented "facts" about mass rape in 
Cologne on New Years Eve without the slighest evidence, and are calling in the 
mids of a violent campaign af racist slanders, increasing police violence and 
surveillance, faster deportations, arson and shotgun attacks on refugee's homes 
that those people should be severely punished disregarding "whatever social 
class or ethnicity," but clearly aiming at the victims of a racist campaign  
(on Sonntag, 10. Januar 2016 at 18:18). That is the same hypocrisy as the 
German polticians, who proclaim that all people have to be treated equally, but 
call for new harsher laws against refugees and other immigrans. Like that 
Frenchman who hailed the "greatness  of the law in its magnific equianimity 
prohibits each and everybody, be it pauper or king, to sleep in the streets and 
steal bread." 

  YOU have to answer if you really think that this racist and increasingly 
violent campaign which we are talking about, if the Ku Kux Klan and Donald 
Trump or their German counterparts are actually protecting women's rights, when 
you so vehemently oppose any attack on those fascist minded people, by falsely 
claiming that the imperialist bourgeois state, the cops, the bombing of Arabian 
cities, the fascist gangs which put fire to refugee's homes are actually 
defending women's rights? 
  
  YOU are dishonest in the highest degree. 

 
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[Marxism] Exploiting women for reactionary and race-baiting campaigns (was: Hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne - what the hell happened – any answers from German list members?)

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on Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 at 20:17, Kathleen McCook via Marxism wrote:

> So, you are saying this is ok? That women deserve this because some
> cultures have deep-seated sexism? And to find it abhorrent is racist?

  The campaign exploiting reports about the New Years Eve in Cologne is not  
campaign to defend women, even less a campaign to widen women's rights. You 
will among the media bosses, talking heads and politicians pushing the campaign 
nobody who is not denying women the right to decide over her own body, 
especicially not over the reproductive functions of a woman's body. That is to 
stay under the patriarchal ruling class' command. A number of countries in 
Europe have even passed laws ordering  dress codes on women, denying women to 
decide themselves how much of their body to unveil or hide, and this coupled 
with racist discriminations. 

  The New Years Eve in Cologne is being used for a reactionary campaign to 
curtail democratic rights, limit the freedom of movement, facilitating 
deportations, limit the freedom of speech, and -- limiting the rights of women. 

  That women were victim of groping by men, being treated disrespectful, is 
just used to put the "unwashed masses of this planet" back to "their place 
where they belong", to portrait every Arab or Muslim in general as inferior, 
and the Muslim religion as inferior. 

  And please check it out -- there is no class society which is not 
patriarchal, and not religion either. Frederick Engels expressed it so 
succintly in the title of his famous book about "The origin of private 
property, the family and the state". 
  
  It is just that in some societies, women have managed to score some important 
victories, like in winning at least some right to decide themselves if they 
want to give birth to a child or have an abortion. And that right is still 
under attack and will remain under attack as long as there is a propiertied 
class ruling over the actual producers. 

  
 
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Re: [Marxism] Exploiting women for reactionary and race-baiting campaigns (was: Hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne - what the hell happened – any answers from German list members?)

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 on Sonntag, 10. Januar 2016 at 18:11, jamie pitman via Marxism wrote:

> There's a hint here of the aggressors in some accounts almost being
> portrayed as the victims.

   Please make a distinction between what happened on New Years Eve and the 
reactionary campaign which is going on now, started only a few days after the 
new year began.  
 
   Women were victims of sexual molestations in that festivity, but that was 
over the next morning, on January 1st. Some women filed complaints, and the 
reactionary campaign using that as a pretext promted more women to follow. 

   The campaign which was then launched by reactionary elements in Cologne, and 
spread like a wildfire over the whole republic and beyond the borders, with 
accusations become more and more ludicrous, reaching a peak with TV5MONDE's 
claim of "100 women being raped by 1000 Arabs". 

   And this campaign uses women only as the bait, with the bait being being 
eaten, i.e. destroyed by the fish... 

>  It seems to me that details about doors and blaming the police strike the 
> same tenor. 
> Its really not good enough to make a passing reference to the crimes (and 
> doesn't the
> term 'groping' only trivialise assault?)

  Well, you may imagine what you want (I have a sticker on my appartment's 
door: "Whatever you imagine in your fantasy, it is happening behind this door" 
- with Groucho Marx as icon). 

   What kind of "sexual assault" do you have in your fantasy? Please let us 
know. 

  The campaign is waged to get people like you to side with the enemies of 
women. Since that's what the people waging this campaign are. And it obviously 
has a lot of success. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] German socialists respond to Cologne attacks - sexism is not a foreign import

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 on Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 at 23:59, Jeff via Marxism wrote:

> It was especially refreshing to read after having been lectured by Luke who
> insists (how would he know??) that the outrage had simply been manufactured
> by the media

   who else? Have you read the German press? Listened to the German TV and 
radio? To the rightist politicians? 
 
>  whereas nothing too unusual happened. 
 
   Well, that women are being groped where people are pressed very densly, like 
in public transport (maybe you or Kathleen never use a metro or bus), that is 
unfortunately not at all unusual. 

  Maybe you want separate cars for women and men? Women to be completely 
covered by a long cloth? Separate entry to train stations for women and men? 

> And that the police chief had been fired "because he did not immediately push 
> for a sharp
> racial profiling in the official police report." 

  Yes, that was the main reason. 

  As I said, there is no campaign for women going on, no politician or talking 
head asks for more rights for women, no only more restrictions. The newly 
elected mayor of Cologne, who earned a lot of sympathy when she was stabbed at 
a election campaign stand shortly before the vote, Ms. Henriette Reker demanded 
that women should keep an arms length distance from men, that is all. Is that 
women's liberation? The extrem right expanded that advice right be demanding 
for a Mediterranean Sea's width as the distance. 

> Look, over 100 women filed reports of being sexually assaulted (were they 
> lying?) 

  I guess not. I haven't been there. 

  Just you don't know either what kind of sexual assault had been taken place. 
As said before, the peak of the exaggeration was aired on TV5MONDE, claiming 
that "100 women had been raped by 1000 Arabs".  The reality is more groping, 
being touched by a hand on the buttock, being asked to make love. 

> in a small area during a short time period. 

   Because all doors of the train station exept one were closed. If they had 
opened all doors in such a night when the traffic is tenfold of its normal 
volume, nothing would had happened. 
   
> If the police chief left in shame because his department totally failed 
> to protect women in such a case, then I'd be the last to object. 

  But he didn't. 

   He is being accused of  being not aggressive enough against Arabs. 
   
   The whole campaign is dominated by calls for more surveillancs -- the cops 
want to use drones to look up at each and every individual taking part in the 
carnival processions which take place in a few weeks, and use automatic face 
recognition and to merge such imagery with those of other surveillance cameras. 
 More armament for police. More war in the Arab East. Faster deportation of 
"foreigners" and refugees. More surveillance of the Internet. More gag laws, 
more censorship, more political indoctrination in the schools and public media. 

   Please check the reality and do not dream it up. In Louis Proyect's terms 
you would be in an "amen corner with the fascists". 

   Women's rights are just the bait in this horror, and are rather being 
trampled on by it. 

  The usual racism . 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Exploiting women for reactionary and race-baiting campaigns (was: Hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne - what the hell happened – any answers from German list members?)

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on Sonntag, 10. Januar 2016 at 18:18, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

> ANY man, whatever social class or ethnicity, that sexually attacks a woman,
> must be severely dealt with. I'm open to a long jail sentence - or worse!

   like a life sentence or death for touching the buttock, for example? 

  And please not, the reactionary campaign does not talk about ordinary white 
men molesting women, or even raping. 

  No, only "North African and Arab" men are being target. Not special rights 
for women are being asked, but special punishments for Muslims. 

> Ditto for those involved in lynchings/pogroms against Muslims, or any other
> oppressed nationality.

  Remember how sexual relations of Blacks with "white" women were a central 
tenet of the US-american racist, and probably still is, and have again and 
again been used as a pretext for lynching. 

  A repetition of that is going on in Germany, and spreading world wide. And 
you want to side with the lynch mobs? Since that is the question! 

  The Ku Kux Klan is obviously still virulent, and found an echo among some 
people writing on this list. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Rasist campaign about "Hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne" - what the hell happened to factual reporting?

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 on Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 at 17:38, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

  What happened is that someone found out one or two days later that some 
women's complaints about being groped in the dense mass of people on both sides 
of the only door left open of the Cologne central rail station could be used 
for a huge racist campaign of scandalizing, arousing emotions, suppressing and 
falsifying facts. And this criminal in Cologne found a huge resonance in the 
bourgeois media from Rhine to Oder, from the coast to the Alps. The 
international French language TV program was the most outrageous -- for them it 
was 100 women being raped by 1000 Arabs. 

  And also on this list, the necessary mistrust against the bourgeois media is 
missing! 

  Now the Cologne police boss had to resign because he did not immedialy push 
for a sharp racial profiling in the official police report. The government and 
all bourgois forces call for more restrictions of democratic rights. Finally an 
optimal event to mobilise against the more than a million of refugees who came 
into Germany in 2015 (pop: >80 million), and to organize support for waging war 
against the Third World. 

  Actually there were two events: 
  
  Before continuing, open the Open Street Map of the place: 
>  or on Google Maps (with Satellite imagery) 
> https://www.google.de/maps/@50.9416908,6.9570583,17z/data=!3m1!1e3 

  Up there, and down on the Bahnhofsvorplatz was the New Years eve celebrations 
going on, with fireworks which were, so the police, in some cases used in a 
very irresponsable way, like shooting horizontally from the Domplatte to the 
Bahnhofsvorplatz. This mass of about 1000 people, so the police then had been 
dispersed with a certain amouth of police violence. 

  The groping happened, according to my information, on both sides of the only 
door left open to the train station. The Cologne central station is open 24/7, 
but in the night hours there remains only one door open. Unfortunately also in 
the News Years night. So huge crowds assembled inside and outside of that door, 
being pressed very densely. In that situation most groping happened. 

   The simple solution would have been to open all doors, to relieve the 
pressure. 

  But in the racist campaign no word of it. 

  Ich kann garnicht so viel essen wie ich kotzen möchte. 


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Re: [Marxism] Huge racist campaign about "Hundreds of sexual assaults in Cologne" - what the hell happened to common sense and mistrust of the Corporate News Networks?

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 On Samstag, 9. Januar 2016 at 21:32, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

> What is the position of Die Linke and others on the German Left, 
> or are they silent, which only allows the far right to exploit it?

  There were two demonstrations in Cologne today, one rightists racist 
"Pegida", one of left forces against that. 

  But to my impression, also the party Die Linke, who wants to be part of  a 
bourgeois government, whose party leadership is strongly pro-Israel, gives way 
largely to the pressure of that huge racist campaign. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Pierre Boulez - RIP

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on Freitag, 8. Januar 2016 at 15:31, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

   For me, Boulez is mainly the conductor of the famous centennial production 
of Richard Wagner's "Ring", in Bayreuth 1976-78, joining Patrice Cheraux  as 
director. 

   It needed two Frenchmen to strip "Ring des Nibelungen" from all the pomp and 
false Germanic hero mythology. The stage design made it look to be located in 
the time when Wagner wrote it, the German Reich's "Gründerjahre" of industrial 
groth and "startups" becoming rich and powerful. 

   There is one red line going from beginning to end of this tetralogy, that 
love and power don't go together. And that all those  who try to take absolute 
power in their hands fail and go under, and at the end, all the heroes are dead 
-- except Loge, the half god of fire. 


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Re: [Marxism] Saudi Iran tensions

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Whow!  Some historic new event! Trumpets! 

on Freitag, 8. Januar 2016 at 02:40, Philip Ferguson via Marxism wrote:

> A mate of mine had an article published in the Otago Daily Times - the
> Dunedin daily paper - yesterday, which folks might be interested in.

> http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/369024/regional-rivalry-ratcheted-notch

   This is the very first time that I see P. Ferguson linking to the source of 
an article instead of just copying (I avoid stronger terms) to his own blog, 
adorning it with foreign feathers, as usual. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Amazon

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 on Donnerstag, 7. Januar 2016 at 15:07, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> You can also order it from the publisher:

> http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/H/bo20708635.html

  That's better



 
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Re: [Marxism] France versus England in terms of the Brenner thesis

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on Mittwoch, 6. Januar 2016 at 23:34, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Order the book from Amazon right now 

  Why this unpaid advertisement for a world wide USanian monopoly? 

  Why must a selfproclaimed "Marxist" work to keep people away from their local 
bookshop? Class struggle against the petty-bourgeoisie? 

 
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[Marxism] 47 heads severed by the Saudi oil dictatorship, but those are the good friends

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 In just one day, the Saudi dictatorship got 47 people executed, and the 
regular way to execute in the Saudi Kingdom is by beheading. 

 But the most reactionary force in the Arab East is a good friend of the 
imperialist petroleum giants and their armies, so beheadings by the House of 
Saud are excusable, and the Saudi dictatorship is still a welcome partner to 
put down those other beheaders who have committed the big crime of wiping off 
the artificial borders in the sand of the Arab deserts. The Saudis on the other 
hand have followed the good example of the USA and have built a fences hundreds 
of kilometers on their Northern border. 
 

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>  In just one day, the Saudi dictatorship got 47 people executed,
> and the regular way to execute in the Saudi Kingdom is by beheading. 

>  But the most reactionary force in the Arab East is a good friend
> of the imperialist petroleum giants and their armies, so beheadings
> by the House of Saud are excusable, and the Saudi dictatorship is
> still a welcome partner to put down those other beheaders who have
> committed the big crime of wiping off the artificial borders in the
> sand of the Arab deserts. The Saudis on the other hand have followed
> the good example of the USA and have built a fences hundreds of
> kilometers on their Northern border. 

  Those are, of course, the best people to bring "democracy" to Syria.  

  Since beheading equals democracy when it is done with the right ally, i.e. 
the USofA, but beheading is devilish, if you do it in a drive  to efface the 
colonial borders of 1919. 


 
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Re: [Marxism] [UCE] Re: Sabotaging the water tax in Ireland

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 on Donnerstag, 31. Dezember 2015 at 10:07, modulus via Marxism wrote:

> if one has an electric shower the water must be metered. (The UK water
> system is very old and has a lot of legacy components; much of it is
> gravity fed and pressure is low, so for a good shower one must have
> pumps on site.)

  ah, so by "electric shower" you do not mean that the water is heated by 
electricity, but that the water is pressurised by an electrically motored pump? 
 
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[Marxism] [UCE] Fwd: Miko Peled: What is Israel supposed to do?

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Dies ist eine weitergeleitete Nachricht

===8<=== Original Nachrichtentext ===
http://ahtribune.com/world/north-africa-south-west-asia/third-intifada/294-what-is-israel-supposed-to-do.html

December 28 ,2015
BY Miko Peled 
“What is Israel supposed to do?”
Israel is being attacked by Arab countries that want to destroy it, so what is 
Israel supposed to do? Israeli soldiers are being assaulted by Palestinian 
terrorist with knives, what are they supposed to do? Iran has nuclear 
capabilities and it wants to wipe Israel off the map, so what is Israel 
supposed to do? Hamas is determined to kill Israeli civilians so what is Israel 
supposed to do? And the list of things that make it impossible for Israel to do 
anything but arm itself and then attack and kill Palestinians goes on and on. 
So there is no hope, and no reason to expect change.

Well that’s just fine and dandy. This has been the one liner that Israeli 
officials have used since it was officially created around 1956 by then General 
Moshe Dayan (and used prior to that from time to time by Zionists) to justify 
any and all crimes committed by the state of Israel. Moshe Dayan was an inept, 
cowardly war criminal that was made famous because of his eye patch. He was 
also a renown antiquities thief and whore monger (it is said that when 
Ben-Gurion, Israel’s first Prime Minister was told that Moshe Dayan’s 
insatiable sexual appetite was becoming an embarrassment, Ben Gurion replied: 
“So what? King David was also a womanizer and he was a great king”). Serving as 
the Israeli army Chief of Staff Dayan expressed this “what are we to do” excuse 
in an unforgettably eloquent eulogy he gave, prior to Israel’s 1956 attack on 
Egypt.

Dayan was fomenting fear and a sense of destiny when he described the poor 
refugees in the Gaza strip as “waiting to slaughter us and shed our blood” 
because, as Dayan himself admitted, “we took their land and turned it into 
ours.” But, he explained, we did this because we have no choice, or “what were 
we to do?” after thousands of years in exile and endless persecution, and in 
the aftermath of the Nazi holocaust, we now have returned and must always live 
by the sword and maintain a strong grip on that sword, “for if that grip should 
weaken” those blood thirsty Arabs will see it as a sign of weakness and Jewish 
blood will flood the streets. In other words, maybe these blood thirsty Arabs 
looking at us from beyond the gates of Gaza are justified in hating us, but 
this is a reality in which we have no choice. It is our destiny to always live 
by the sword.

How convenient!

The crimes committed by Israel are committed because Israel has no choice. In 
an interview given several years ago by Israeli intelligence chief 
interrogator, he described how doctors in Israeli hospitals turn a blind eye 
when the agents come to torture wounded “terrorist suspects” in the hospital. 
He described how they “tug at the tubes a little, and then pretty soon “the 
Arabs start talking.” Then he added, that of course no one thinks this is good, 
but what are we do to? He was justifying the most immoral and horrendous 
torture of people who are in the care of a hospital, the doctors turning a 
blind eye and the agents doing their thing, with the same shameless excuse, 
“what is Israel supposed to do?”

During the month of October 2015, while in Jerusalem I watched a news program 
on Israeli television. In this program they interviewed the Palestinian Knesset 
Member Mohammad Baraka from the Joint Arab List, the third largest party in the 
Israeli parliament. He too was asked, “What is a soldier to do when approached 
by a Palestinian wielding a knife?” When Baraka began to talk about the 
occupation he was interrupted and told that what he is saying is not relevant 
and to stick to the question. In other words, the Israeli occupation in 
Palestine has nothing to do with any of this, and “what is a soldier supposed 
to do?” Please say that what Israeli soldiers are doing is justified, that the 
wholesale murder of Palestinians is ok because “what is Israeli to do?” 
Palestinians on Israeli television are always brought in order to be ridiculed 
or to be told to shut up.

The ethnic cleansing of Palestine was justified, because Jews had no choice. 
The slow genocide of Palestinian people is justified because Israel has no 
choice, the murder of thousands in Gaza is justified because Israel has no 
choice, and so on and so on. In the US media they actually took it a step 
further and added: “We would do the same” as though this adds weight to the 
argument of “what is Israel supposed to do.”

Re: [Marxism] a particularly slimy critique of Achcar

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on Sonntag, 27. Dezember 2015 at 00:10, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> But as I pointed out, it *is* the opinion of Gowans. The PSL cited him
> in 2012. So did a bunch of other "anti-imperialist" websites including
> the rancid 911 truther Voltairenet:

> "All in all, Syria remains too much like the socialist state the Arab 
> Socialist Ba’ath Party founders envisaged for it, and too little like a
> platform for increasing the profits of overseas banks, investors and 
> corporations. Accordingly, its regime of self-directed, independent, 
> economic development must be changed."

  Again you are reading in the text what is not written. Written is: 
"the socialist state the Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party founders envisaged for it"

  So it is not the author of those lines, but the "Ba'ath Party founders" which 
envisaged a "socialist state". However they did envision it. 

  Besides that, the above paragraph spells a truth: despite having served as 
subcontractor in the USA's world wide torture network, the Ba'ath regime shows 
too much independence from the USA for not having to undergo a "regime change", 
serving the grand design for a "new Middle East" as layed out in the time of 
the war against Iraq, another regime which had shown too much independence, but 
which was much more attractive for having a lot of oil, and which was not under 
control of the US energy giants. 

   We may agree that those regimes are useless, but then we should also both 
agree that they have not to be replaced by a government with the Empire's 
blessing, but by a leadership which can unite not only their country as 
gerrymandered by the British and French colonialists, but the whole Arab nation 
in a liberation war against the USA and the minor imperialist powers. 
 
   Such a war would not have to be so bloody as Vietnam's  war for freedom, 
since the Empire is much weaker now than back then. And an actual revolutionary 
leadership like the Cuban one would know how to fight and win without shedding 
too much blood (as the Cubans have shown in Angola). 


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Re: [Marxism] Benedict Anderson, R.I.P.

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On Sonntag, 13. Dezember 2015 at 15:08, Jim Farmelant via Marxism wrote:

> Benedict Anderson's most famous work was his book, Imagined Communities,
> which is available online at:
> http://rebels-library.org/files/imagined_communities.pdf

  Uri Avnery, the honorable left wing Zionist, paid tribute to Benedict 
Anderson in his latest column of today: 

> TWO WEEKS ago, Benedict Anderson died. Or, as we say in Hebrew, "went to his 
> world".
>
> Anderson, an Irishman born in China, educated in England, fluent in
> several South Asian languages, had a large influence on my intellectual world.
>
> I owe a lot to his most important book, "Imagined Communities"
  
   The article, in which he later wrote:

> Unlike the process of cutting themselves off from the motherland,
> as described by Anderson, the feeble attempts to constitute in
> Palestine a new separate "Hebrew" nation, like Argentina and Canada, failed.

> 

Re: [Marxism] a particularly slimy critique of Achcar

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on Samstag, 26. Dezember 2015 at 16:45, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

->>The U.S. Library of Congress country study of Syria refers to “the 
> socialist structure of the government and economy,” points out that
further down
> Despite the notion that Syria is "socialist", 
> Gowan accepts Achcar's  description

  Don't produce another amalgam. 

  This is clearly the opinion of that  "U.S. Library of Congress country 
study", not of this Gowan. 

  Exercise just the necessary amount of restraint so that you don't harm 
yourself with your hate. 

 
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[Marxism] [UCE] Re: Debt & Greece - Why Capitulate? Another Way Is Possible

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 on Montag, 21. Dezember 2015 at 18:39, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:

> Ken Hiebert replies:
> You could be right that the relationship of forces left no options
> for the Greek government.  Which suggests that a strategy that was
> based on winning election to government was mistaken.  What was the
> point of running hard for government if so little could be achieved in 
> government?

  Or to put it bluntly: 
   
  All this talk about "broad left" alliances aiming at getting seats in the 
institutions of the bourgeois state has been proven in Greece as what it is: 
creeping in the back side of the capitalist class, and using "mass 
mobilisations" only as a pressure group to cajole the powers that be into a 
more friendly position. But not to enable the working people to become the 
masters of their own fate. 

   In Spain, quite some people had begun sobering up about Podemos after the 
capitulation  of SYRIZA. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Is Donald Trump a fascist? | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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via Marxism:

  Donald Trump is a successful standup comedian and marketing guy. 

  He reminds of Michael O’Leary, the CEO of the Ryanair, the successful Ireland 
based budget airline. 

  O'Leary manages to get into the news and arouse attention for his company by 
hinting absurd cost cutting plans like replacing seats on plane by 
standing-room tickets, or charging money for using the plane's toilets. Great 
marketing tricks to get talked about, and creating the impression that the 
company wants to cut costs promising lower prices for the customer. 

  Hitler presented to the ruling classes of Germany a rational plan for 
restarting the war to make Germany a world power ("or she will not be", as he 
proclaimed in his book), a plan playing "va banque", i.e. risking it all for 
the win -- not serious in normal times, but the last straw for someone who is 
destitute and on the verge of going under as the German ruling classes were, 
confronted by the most powerful working class movement beyond the USSR, and 
squeezed by the cut throat conditions of the Versailles "peace" treaty. 

  And Hitler worked to organize a mass movement to smash the working class 
movement to smithereens in order to avoid any internal opposition to the war, 
as emerged at the end of the first world slaughter from 1914 to 1918. He 
explained that a simple police state cannot control the working people; any 
means of self-organisation had to be destroyed, and class consciousness had to 
be replaced by a surrogate ideology being able to mobilize masses. 

  I don't see such organizing efforts by Mr. Trump, but there are certainly 
some people going with him who do. 

  BTW, I wonder why nobody has ridiculed Mr. Trump for being unable to 
determine who is a muslim and who not -- maybe they already know the answer 
patterned after what antisemites in Germany and Austria proclaimed "Wer Jude 
ist, bestimme ich!" ("Who is a Jew is for me to decide", as Upton Sinclair 
translated this phrase in "One Clear Call" on page 498 (< 
https://books.google.de/books?id=7SIFAQAAIAAJ=bestimme >). 
  
 
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: A Real Plan for Defeating ISIL | Alternet

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on Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2015 at 14:57, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> What is a radical mosque? 

 A radical mosque is one which is being raided and destroyed by heavy armed 
police in military gear. 

 That is proof enough. Do you need more? Ask Donald Trump! 

 Donald trumped up by admitting that he doesn't know what's going on, and wants 
to stop the world turning round until the US congress has found out what's 
going on. 


 
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Tariq Ali’s Don’t Bomb Syria Speech: Confused, Misinformed, or Simply Untrue? | Trouble and Squeak

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on Sonntag, 29. November 2015 at 02:27, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

  An excellent speech by Tariq Ali. 

  Listen and watch the first part at 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubLbWcF3l1U 

  and the last 15 minutes at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce47MrGUHMY 


 
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Re: [Marxism] Uri Avnery - There is no such thing as "international terrorism"

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on Samstag, 28. November 2015 at 18:50, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote:

> I don't know how to fight the Islamic State (or rather Non-State)
> effectively. I strongly believe that nobody knows. Certainly not the
> nincompoops who man (and woman) the various governments.

> I am not sure that even a territorial invasion would destroy this
> phenomenon. But even such an invasion seems unlikely. The Coalition
> of the Unwilling put together by the US seems disinclined to put
> "boots on the ground". The only forces who could try – the Iranians
> and the Syrian government army – are hated by the US and its local allies.

  I think they should ask the Caliphate to establish diplomatic relations. 

  That would completely confuse them... 

  Of course, this also recognizes that the colonial balkanization imposed by 
British and French colonialism after the 1st World War is now obsolete. 
  

 
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[Marxism] [UCE] Re: Fwd: Syria Solidarity UK: Why we are not supporting today’s Stop the War demonstration

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on Samstag, 28. November 2015 at 21:34, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> We do call for action to protect civilians in Syria, including limited
> military action to enforce a no-bombing zone.

  So these people put themselves in the position of the British and French 
imperialists "liberating" the Arabs from the Ottoman Empire, and putting them 
under their own colonial dictatorship. 

  Good friends of Mr. Cameron and all other killers. 

  
 
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Re: [Marxism] A Definitive Debunking of Donald Trump’s 9/11 Claims

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on Mittwoch, 25. November 2015 at 16:41, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Mr. Trump stuck with it in a television interview on Sunday. 
> “It did happen,” he said. “I saw it. It was on television.”

 Aha, on the telly. But was it also on reality? Or only on a reality show? 

 Let's listen to Frank Zappa: 

> I am gross and perverted
> I'm obsessed 'n deranged
> I have existed for years
> But very little has changed
> I'm the tool of the Government
> And industry too
> For I am destined to rule
> And regulate you
> 
> I may be vile and pernicious
> But you can't look away
> I make you think I'm delicious
> With the stuff that I say
> I'm the best you can get
> Have you guessed me yet?
> I'm the slime oozin' out
> From your TV set
> 
> You will obey me while I lead you
> And eat the garbage that I feed you
> Until the day that we don't need you
> Don't go for help . . . no one will heed you
> Your mind is totally controlled
> It has been stuffed into my mold
> And you will do as you are told
> Until the rights to you are sold
> 
> That's right, folks . . .
> Don't touch that dial
> 
> Well, I am the slime from your video
> Oozin' along on your livin' room floor
> 
> I am the slime from your video
> Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go
> 
> I am the slime from your video
> Oozin' along on your livin' room floor
> 
> I am the slime from your video
> Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go 



 
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on Freitag, 20. November 2015 at 05:15, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote:

> on Donnerstag, 19. November 2015 at 23:04, Michael Yates via Marxism wrote:

>> In the book Human Smoke, Nicholson Baker details how the US would
>> not even take in orphaned Jewish children because they might grow up
>> to be Bolsheviks. 

>   out of sheer antisemitism. 

  and this resonates with Hitler's fantasy of a "jewish-bolshevik world 
conspiracy" ("jüdisch-bolschwistische Weltverschwörung" in German). 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Why the USA attacked Syria? To get Iran? Really?

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on Freitag, 20. November 2015 at 15:20, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Mr. Charles Glass, you write on Glenn Greenwald's Intercept website today:

> "The question since March 2011, when the first protests began in Syria,
> is what to do with President Bashar al-Assad. The reason the West, Saudi
> Arabia, and Israel wanted to dispose of him had nothing to do with 
> dictatorship or repression. Nearly all Arab governments are repressive
> dictatorships, but only Syria was not a U.S. satellite. Only Syria had a
> strategic alliance with Iran, dating to Hafez al-Assad’s decision to 
> support Iran against Saddam Hussein in 1980, long before the West 
> declared him a pariah."

> This is a crock of shit, Mr. Glass, and you probably know it.

  After that insult, what has the rest of your comment to do with the above 
quoted by this Charles Glass? It appears completely logical to me. 

  But this: 

> The USA invaded Iraq in 2003, didn't it? Remember Ahmad Chalabi? He died
> a few days ago. In 2004 there were CIA agents who had suspicions that he
> was an Iranian spy since American intelligence reports kept ending up in
> Tehran.

> Then there is Muqtada al-Sadr. The Washington Institute, a neocon 
> outfit, views him as an out and out proxy of Iran.

> I can go at great length but why bother? None of this would make a 
> difference to someone like you who has been stumping for Assad for four
> years now.

  Just to say anything venting your anger, even completely unrelated? 


 
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Re: [Marxism] France votes to become a police state

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on Donnerstag, 19. November 2015 at 18:17, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote:

> Today at near unanimity the National Assembly of the French
> Republic voted, with just 6 deputies saving their honor by voting
> against, to extend the State of Emergency 

   of those 6, 3 were from the left wing of the Parti Socialiste (PS), des 
"frondeurs", and 3 of the ecologistes. 

   The parliamentary group of the "Front de Gauche", i.e. the so called 
Communist Party and the Parti de Gauche of Melanchon have voted for the state 
of emergency. 

   While watching on TV the live coverage of the attentats of Friday 13th the 
name of that other city "Sarajevo" came to my mind, this vote makes me think of 
another 4th of August. 

   Ich kann garnicht soviel essen, wie ich kotzen möchte. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Why the USA attacked Syria? To get Iran? Really?

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on Freitag, 20. November 2015 at 19:23, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> On 11/20/15 1:16 PM, Lüko Willms wrote:

>> * Just to say anything venting your anger, even completely unrelated?

> As a fellow member of the Baathist amen corner with Charles Glass, 

  a corner? Are we suddenly talking football (I mean the real thing, 
not the US version of Rugby)? Does Charles Glas play football? 
I don't, and I am not much interested in football, but I find the corners quite 
interesting. 

> you probably didn't understand my point. 

  That's why I asked, since your words didn't have anything to do with what you 
quoted

> Let me repeat it slowly and clearly so that it might sink in.

> CHARLES GLASS SAID THAT THE USA IS AIMING AT REGIME CHANGE IN SYRIA 
> BECAUSE IT IS ALLIED WITH IRAN.

  Is that what your conception of this Ch. Glass tells you that he had said? 

  I read something different, and I agree completely: 

>>> Nearly all Arab governments are repressive dictatorships, 
>>> but only Syria was not a U.S. satellite. 

  That is true, even if Syria served as a turture-on-demand service for CIA 
prisoners which had been "renditioned" to Syria for "treatment". While the USA 
had in the years after the previous world war engineered several putsches in 
Damaskus (as in Iran, just to mention the coup against Mossadeq) as part of 
taking over the Arab East from British domination, after the Baath takeover, 
the Damaskus governmetn was no longer directed by the US embassy in Damaskus. 

  The defense of Iran against the US proxy war operated thru the Saddam regime 
was a very good asnd honorable undertaking, and it earned Syria the role of an 
outcast of the US-dominated medieavel oil dictorships on the Arab peninsula. No 
wonder that Washington only waited for an occasion to take back the rule in 
Damaskus. 

  Not joining the "Koalition der Billigen"[*] against their fellow Arabs and 
against Iran made Syria to an "enemy". 

> I TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS A CROCK OF SHIT BECAUSE GEORGE W. BUSH 
> IMPLEMENTED REGIME CHANGE IN IRAQ TO BRING PRO-IRANIAN SHI'ITES TO POWER.

  The Bushes and other POTUSes would rather liked to avoid that. Bush sr. 
called off the invation into Iraq in the first war in 1991, just because 
Pentagon and Whiter House shyed away from the task to repress the Shia revolt 
which was triggered by the US colonial war against Iraq. 

  But you should not yet have forgotten the truism that by starting a war, one 
sets social forces in motion which then can't be controlled. 

> GET IT?

  Well, I get that you are victim of Corporate News networks and other peddler 
of Faux News. In earlier years you could still easily recognize reality. 

  Fact is, that the US "war on terror" is a complete failure, that instead of 
eradicating the opposition, they multiplied the number and centers of terrorist 
methods. And now small France thinks that they can avoid a Dien Bien Phu this 
time... 


 
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on Donnerstag, 19. November 2015 at 20:12, Mark Lause via Marxism wrote:

> I would note, though, that there is a clear time limit on the state of
> emergency.

  This law of 1955, from the time of the colonial war in Algeria, allows a 
prolongation by 3 months. I have not (yet) read the law, so that I don't know 
if the State of Emergency can be extended again by 3 months. 

> In the U.S., all sorts of institutional garbage has accompanied the
> post-9-11 innovations.  

  Hollande and Valls want the constitution be changed to curtail sevaral 
democratic rights. 

  BTW, this is the constitution arising from the 1958 coup d'état by General de 
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on Donnerstag, 19. November 2015 at 22:22, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote:

> on Donnerstag, 19. November 2015 at 20:12, Mark Lause via Marxism wrote:

>> I would note, though, that there is a clear time limit on the state of
>> emergency.

>   This law of 1955, from the time of the colonial war in Algeria,
> allows a prolongation by 3 months. I have not (yet) read the law, so
> that I don't know if the State of Emergency can be extended again by 3 months.

  Here is the text 
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=JORFTEXT00695350 

  ON the prolongation, see article 3

> La loi autorisant la prorogation au-delà de douze jours de l'état d'urgence 
> fixe sa durée définitive. 

   

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on Donnerstag, 19. November 2015 at 23:04, Michael Yates via Marxism wrote:

> In the book Human Smoke, Nicholson Baker details how the US would
> not even take in orphaned Jewish children because they might grow up
> to be Bolsheviks. 

  out of sheer antisemitism. 

  Hava a look at those US reactionaries who rail against US support for Israel 
because they see that as a obstacle of unlimited dominiation of the world by US 
imperialism, trying to get out of the dilemma of riding two horses at the same 
time (Alison Weir, Council for the National Interest). 

  Those enemies of humanity would, on the other hand not allow immigration into 
the USA. They never mention the fate of the 908 Jewish refugees on the German 
passenger ship "St. Louis" who were not allowed to disembark in Miami. 

  See -- with all the limitations of a Wikipedia article -- 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis 
See also the Evian conference of 1938 where also the USA refused to accept 
Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany except in far too small numbers: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian_Conference 

  
 
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[Marxism] France votes to become a police state

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  Today at near unanimity the National Assembly of the French Republic voted, 
with just 6 deputies saving their honor by voting against, to extend the State 
of Emergency according to a law which was passed in 1955 in order to be able to 
crack down on the Algerians fighting for their independence, without respect 
for democratic rights. 

  It is all about the right to sip a coffee on a street café, and for that they 
have to suspend the basic democratic rights. 

  The police can break into private homes without getting a search warrant from 
a judge before, any kind of public assembly can be prohibited (the 
demonstration at the COP21 international climate conference has already been 
declared illegal), the press can be gagged by the police, and much more. Just 
like the day long assault by special police units with the army on a house in 
St. Denis yesterday. 

  Forget about "liberté, egalité, fraternité" -- the reality is now unbridled 
police powers, racism, repression. 

  France is catched by its past as one of the most barbaric colonial powers. 

  You can dring coffee anywhere, but better avoid France. 


 
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Re: [Marxism] Kenan Malik on Paris bombings

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on Sonntag, 15. November 2015 at 01:28, Philip Ferguson via Marxism wrote:

> https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/11/15/kenan-malik-on-the-paris-attacks/

Kenan Malik writes in his first article

> Many have inevitably looked to these two crises as explanations for
> the Paris atrocities. Some have seen the terrorism as the
> consequence of French foreign policy in Syria, others of lax
> immigration controls that have allowed terrorists to enter Europe.
> Both arguments seem superficially self-evident. But both are profoundly 
> untrue.
>
> Islamic State has officially claimed responsibility for the
> attacks. One of the terrorists in the Bataclan theatre, where at
> least 87 people were slaughtered, was said to have shouted ‘This is
> for Syria’. Yet we should be wary of seeing these attacks as a
> response, however perverted, to French, or Western, foreign policy.

And this is really superficial. 

These attacks are the result of the "war on terror" which has eradicated terror 
as successfully as the "war on drugs" has done away with drug addiction and the 
dealers getting rich by that. 

In order to "eradicate terrorism", the US and her allies have invaded and 
occupied Afghanistan, Iraq, intervened militarily in Somalia, Mali, Libya, 
Syria -- and have spread terrorism more and more widely. At the beginning of 
the conquest of Iraq, the US bombing was declared by the warmakers aimed at 
creating "shock and awe", good english translations for the latin word 
"terror". 

French president Hollande, visibly shaken on Friday night, has declared war, 
and merciless eradication of all those terrorists. 

So -- brutal violence has not helped against "terrorism"? So let us use more 
violence. That has been their line for many years. And what has it helped? The 
problem which they try to eradicate is getting greater and greater. 

And the "war on terror" is more and more clothed in a clash between "western 
values" and "the barbarians", echoing the cries of "the Turks are standing 
before Vienna!" back to "Hanibal ante portas". While the "western" civilisation 
has produced such nice things as the Nazi extermination camps Auschwitz, 
Treblinka and others, and the mass murder of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. 

Why France? There are two reasons, or even three: a) there are about 4 to 5 
million people living in France which are of north-african descent and also 
quite a number from sub-saharan Africa (Mali especially). b) France has been in 
the forefront of the war on the countries of the Third world (Sarkozy announced 
bombing of Libya by French airforce in his opening speech to an international 
conference about the Libyan civil war) and among them former French colonies 
(France has intervened militarily in Mali and French military are still 
fighting in the country), following a long history of brutal clinging to its 
colonial possessions in Syria, Vietnam and Algeria. c) the French working class 
movement shows itself especially weak with the current extreme right wing 
government by the Parti Socialiste, and on the extreme left has weakened itself 
by the LCR liquidating itself into the NPA, with an ambiguous attitude towards 
the right of women to cover or unveil as much of their body as the women itself 
decides. 

The latter is only the special French expression of weakness of the working 
class movement on a world scale. 

And that needs to be changed, and the working class movement recovering itself 
is the only way out of this impasse. 

To do that, one of the important things to do is a campaign to defend the 
Palestinian Arabs against the colonial settler state of Israel, demanding "no 
more arms to Israel". 

 


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on Sonntag, 15. November 2015 at 03:32, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Forty-nine armed factions in Syria,

 That's the most interesting part on this message. 

 In the beginning there were peaceful mass demonstrations, then came the "Free 
Syrian Army", and now they are at least 50 armed factions trying to impose 
their power on the whole Syrian nation. 

 As I said before, in a real popular revolution, you see a concentration and 
centralisation of political forces around one revolutionary leadership, but the 
Syrian "revolution" has gone the opposite path: more and more splintering in a 
myriad of interfighting armed factions. 

 For me, this says that there is no revolution, but the opposite. 

 And out of this rather counter-revolutionary fragmentation come those most 
reacionary groups like those behind the bombings in Beirut and the shootings in 
Paris. 


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on Sonntag, 15. November 2015 at 18:15, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> There are still many people in Syria who have politics that are 
> revolutionary even if they don't quote Karl Marx.

 Also in Germany, Poland, the USA etc. And also here is no revolution taking 
place. 

 And if it were, there would be a unifying trend around one revolutionary 
leadership. Independent of any label you might want to attach to that 
leadership. 

 As said, in Syria the opposite development began in 2011, and is still 
continuing: an increasing fragmentation, a deepening splintering of the 
"opposition" into -- according to your message -- at least 50 factions, 51 if 
we include the country's government. Probably much more. And each of them is 
the result of some "leadership" group forming a separate armed faction in order 
to exercise power over the people by their separate sectarian leadership 
clique. 

 That is not revolution, that is the destruction of any chance for revolution. 
A revolution in Syria would have to chase all those armed cliques away in the 
first place. 

>  Marx and Lenin fought for democratic rights 

 sure, they were revolutionists. Lenins leadership is one such example of the 
unifying process of a real popular revolution, which was the opposite of what 
is happening in Syria right now. 

> and even for the replacement of dictatorial rule by parliamentary democracy, 

 No, that is wrong. Engels even took great pains to explain to the German 
movement that the concrete democratic rights are indispensable, first and 
foremost the freedom of the presse, the freedom of assembly and the freedom of 
association, while parliamentary elections, even common and secret and equal 
elections are mostly a trap. I think that I mentioned not long ago this 
article, a veiled polemic against the Lassaleans in the article "The Prussian 
Military Question and the German Workers' Party", in english in the MIA at 
>  If the government decreed universal direct suffrage, it would from
> the outset hedge it about with so many ifs and buts that it would in
> fact not be universal direct suffrage at all any more.
>
> And regarding universal direct suffrage itself, one has only to go
> to France to realise what tame elections it can give rise to, if one
> has only a large and ignorant rural population, a well-organised
> bureaucracy, a well-regimented press, associations sufficiently kept
> down by the police and no political meetings at all. How many
> workers' representatives does universal direct suffrage send to the
> French chamber, then? And yet the French proletariat has the
> advantage over the German of far greater concentration and longer
> experience of struggle and organisation.

 I also don't know of any place where Marx or Engels or Lenin talked about 
"dictatorial rule" as something to be replaced, and be it only a parliamentary 
democracy. 

 No, no, our comrades were very clear: we fight for material democratic rights, 
for the workers to take power out of the hands of the bourgeoisie.

 Lenin explained in a polemic against "Parabellum" (pseudonym of Karl Radek), 
written in or before October 1915 titled "The Revolutionary Proletariat and the 
Right of Nations to Self-Determination", to be found in an english translation 
in MIA at
>  From what Parabellum says, it appears that, in the name of the
> socialist revolution, he scornfully rejects a consistently
> revolutionary programme in the sphere of democracy. He is wrong to
> do so. The proletariat cannot be victorious except through
> democracy, i.e., by giving full effect to democracy and by linking
> with each step of its struggle democratic demands formulated in the
> most resolute terms. 
>
> It is absurd to contrapose the socialist
> revolution and the revolutionary struggle against capitalism to a
> single problem of democracy, in this case, the national question. 
> 
> We must combine the revolutionary struggle against capitalism with a
> revolutionary programme and tactics on all democratic demands: a
> republic, a militia, the popular election of officials, equal rights
> for women, the self-determination of nations, etc. 
> 
> While capitalism exists, these demands — all of them — can only 
> be accomplished as an exception, and even then 
> in an incomplete and distorted form. Basing ourselves 
> on the democracy already achieved, and exposing its
> incompleteness under capitalism, we 

Re: [Marxism] From Paris bombings to Palestine

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 on Montag, 16. November 2015 at 00:05, Philip Ferguson via Marxism 
had a bad dream:  

> What made you change your mind?

  Here we have someone who never gives attention to what people actually say or 
write, but only to their own private thoughts what others would have said if 
they were as Mr. F. is dreaming. 


 
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on Sonntag, 15. November 2015 at 03:32, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Forty-nine armed factions in Syria,

  That's the most interesting part on this message. 

  In the beginning there were peaceful mass demonstrations, then came the "Free 
Syrian Army", and now they are at least 50 armed factions trying to impose 
their power on the whole Syrian nation. 

  As I said before, in a real popular revolution, you see a concentration and 
centralisation of political forces around one revolutionary leadership, but the 
Syrian "revolution" has gone the opposite path: more and more splintering in a 
myriad of interfighting armed factions. 

  For me, this says that there is no revolution, but the opposite. 

  And out of this rather counter-revolutionary fragmentation come those most 
reacionary groups like those behind the bombings in Beirut and the shootings in 
Paris. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Statement by France's New Anticapitalist Party (in French). "Their Wars, Our Deaths. Imperialist barbarity breeds the barbarity of terrorism"

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on Samstag, 14. November 2015 at 12:34, John Passant via Marxism wrote:

>  I will post a translation on Sunday morning Australian time.

  The English version is already online at International Viewpoint: 

> 

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on Samstag, 14. November 2015 at 13:42, RKOB via Marxism wrote:

> Here is the RCIT-Statement (in English): 
> www.thecommunists.net/worldwide/europe/terror-in-paris/

  ... calling for "revenge". 

  No, revenge is not what we should strive for. These stupid attacks in Paris 
are already an act of revenge. And they create only damage for the struggle of 
the oppressed for freedom. 

  No, mass mobilisations for the withdrawal of the imperialist military from 
all countries in the Third World, and behind their own borders. 

  Expressed in concrete demands, not a wild rethoric. 

  


 
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[Marxism] ¿ Marxology ? First occurence of "A nation oppressing another, can't ..."

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Marx and Engels have used this phrase many times, and Lenin quoted them and 
many others. 

"A people which oppresses another, forges its own chains"
or
"A nation wich oppresses another, can't emancipate itself" 
or more similar formulations. 

The two friends and comrades made revolutionary politics along that line in the 
1848 revolution, relating to the occupation by German states of parts of Italy 
or Poland, "we have to stop oppressing the Poles (or the Italians) if we want 
to be free ourselves". See especialy Engel's June 18, 1848 article on the 
uprising in Prague (https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/06/18.htm )

> A nation which throughout its history allowed itself to be used as
> a tool of oppression against all other nations must first of all
> prove that it has been really revolutionized. It must prove this not
> merely by a few indecisive revolutions, as a result of which the old
> irresolution, impotence and discord are allowed to continue in a
> modified form; revolutions which allow a Radetzky to remain in
> Milan, a Colomb and Steinacker in Poznan, a Windischgratz in Prague,
> a Hueser in Mainz, as if nothing had changed.
>
> A revolutionized Germany ought to have renounced her entire past,
> especially as far as the neighboring nations are concerned. Together
> with her own freedom, she should have proclaimed the freedom of the
> nations hitherto suppressed by her.
>
> And what has revolutionized Germany done? She has fully endorsed
> the old oppression of Italy, Poland, and now of Bohemia too, by
> German troops. Kaunitz and Metternich have been completely vindicated.

But there was somebody earlier, called Dionisio Inca Yupanqui, from Cuzco in 
Peru, speaking before the Cortes de Cadiz as a delegate representing the 
Spanish lands in America, and he coined this simple phrase: 

"Un pueblo que oprime otro, no puede ser libre" - "a people oppressing another 
can't be free itself". 
> http://adhilac.com.ar/?p=932 

December 16, 1811. Spain had been conquered by French troops under Napoleon, 
the king was demoted and a relative or Napoleon Bonaparte was enthroned as king 
of Spain, and the Spaniards rallied together in Juntas and converged in a 
Cortes (we might call it a congress) in the city of Cadiz, located on an island 
off the coast in the south west corner of Spain, the only place which the 
Napoleon troups had not conquered. And they drew up the most liberal 
constitution of Europe in that time, of a constitutional monarchy. On that 
December 16 in the year 1811, this indio from Peru spoke to the assemby and 
pronounced that phrase, summarizing in it the situation of Spain, subjugated by 
foreign troops, and that she had to give freedom to her American territories if 
she wanted to be free herself. 

The question is now, could Marx and from him Engels, have adopted this succint 
formula coined by the Inca Yupanqui from his speech in Cadiz? The late 
Argentian activist and writer Jorge Abelardo Ramos says so in his "Historia de 
la nación americalatina". Ramos claims more, namely that Marx has adopted the 
political program from the Inca Yupanqui, but it is enough to reread the above 
quote from 1848 to know better. 

And there is some reason: for the series of articles for the New York Tribune 
on the revolutionary developments in Spain of the year 1854, Karl Marx studied 
the whole Spanish history of the first half of the 19th century, and dedicated 
one full article to the constitution elaborated by the Cortes of Cadiz in 
1811/1812. So, he has probably also read the short speech by Yupanqui and it 
might well habe that Marx had adopted that formulation by Inca Yupanqui. 

The question is, has anybody encountered this succint formular in something 
written by Marx or Engels before 1854? I haven't yet by searching 
www.mlwerke.de 


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on Sonntag, 1. November 2015 at 19:27, Paul Flewers via Marxism wrote:

> New Issue of Revolutionary History: Clara Zetkin: Letters and Writings

  Great to have at least some of her writings and speeches in English. 

  Clara Zetkin was one of our best. The "Speech to the ECCI" which is on the 
list of contents -- is that by any chance her talk about Italian fascism of 
1923 (I believe that was the year)? This is the oldest and best (before 
Trotsky) to analyze fascism as a social and political phenomenon. 

  Her letters to Lenin are wonderful. 

  I just wonder which German sources have been taken for the translations. The 
GDR publications of the 1950ies etc are all abbreviated and possibly falsified. 


 
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 On Freitag, 23. Oktober 2015 at 17:54, Dennis Brasky via Marxism wrote:

> http://dailycurrant.com/2015/10/22/netanyahu-palestinians-killed-the-dinosaurs/

 That's the very best comment on Netanyahu giving a clean bill of health to 
Adolf Hitler. 

 The whole thing is really hilarious, the real nonsense uttered by this racist 
pig, and its evolution published by "The Daily Currant". 

 Ab-so-lute-ly great! 

 
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on Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2015 at 02:54, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Who's next to join the axis of resistance? Monaco? The Westboro Baptist
> Church? Richard Dawkins?

  Sources will join, as your article itself already says. Unnamed, that is. 

  What do you think? All the world is going after you, I mean the US of A. Bad 
guys, those humans. 

 
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[Marxism] Time to recall that the enemy is at home

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Since it has become a sport on this mailing list to pinpoint people and powers 
which "join the axis of resistance", i.e. do not submit themselves to the 
imperialist politics of the world dictatorship exercised from Washington, it 
has to be recalled that the revolutionary workers movement has always held 
hight the simple truth, that our enemy is at home, is "our" own government and 
its policies. 

Look up Karl Liebknecht on this topic, 
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/liebknecht-k/works/1915/05/main-enemy-home.htm
>  

>  The main enemy of every people is in their own country!
>
> The main enemy of the German people is in Germany: German
> imperialism, the German war party, German secret diplomacy. This
> enemy at home must be fought by the German people in a political
> struggle, cooperating with the proletariat of other countries whose
> struggle is against their own imperialists.
>
> We think as one with the German people – we have nothing in common
> with the German Tirpitzes and Falkenhayns, with the German
> government of political oppression and social enslavement. Nothing
> for them, everything for the German people. Everything for the
> international proletariat, for the sake of the German proletariat and 
> downtrodden humanity.
>
> The enemies of the working class are counting on the forgetfulness
> of the masses – provide that that be a grave miscalculation. They
> are betting on the forbearance of the masses – but we raise the vehement cry:
>
> How long should the gamblers of imperialism abuse the patience of
> the people? Enough and more than enough slaughter! Down with the war 
> instigators here and abroad!


and consider also Lenin's 1916 short article on "German and non-German 
chauvinism", 
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/may/31.htm 
of which I allow myself to quote some paragraphs 

>  One of the characteristics of German chauvinism is that
> “socialists” -- socialists in quotation marks -- talk about the
> independence of nations, except those which are oppressed by their
> own nation. It does not make much difference whether so directly, or
> whether they defend, justify and shield those who say it.
>
> The German chauvinists (who include Parvus, the publisher of a
> little magazine, called Die Glocke, among whose contributors are
> Lensch, Haenisch, Grunwald all the rest of the crew of “socialist”
> lackeys of German imperialist bourgeoisie) speak at great length and
> very eagerly, for example, about the independence for the peoples
> oppressed by Britain. It is not only the social-chauvinists of
> Germany, i.e., socialists in words, chauvinists in deeds, but the
> whole bourgeoisie press of Germany that is trumpeting with all its
> might about the shameful, brutal and reactionary, etc., fashion in
> which Britain rules her colonies. The German papers write about the
> liberation movement in India with great gusto, malicious glee, delight and 
> rapture.
>
> It is easy to see why the German Bourgeoisie is full of malicious
> joy: it hope to improve its military position by fanning the
> discontent in the anti-British movement India. These hopes are
> silly, of course, because it is simply impossible seriously to
> entertaining the influencing the life of a multi-million people, and
> a very peculiar people at that, from outside, from afar in a foreign
> language, particular when the influence is not systematic, but
> casual, only for the duration of the war. Rather than the desire to
> influence India the efforts of the German imperialist bourgeoisie
> are more of an attempt at self-consolation, more of a desire to fool
> the German people and to divert their attention from home to foreign parts.
>
> But this general, theoretical question automatically arises: What
> is at the root of the falsehood of such arguments; how can the
> hypocrisy of the German imperialists be exposed without unerring
> certainty? The correct theoretical answer pointing to the root of
> falsehood always serves as a means of exposing the hypocrites who,
> for reasons all too obvious, are inclined to cover up their
> falsehood, to obscure it, to clothe it in flowery phrases, all sorts
> of phrases, phrases about everything in the world, even about
> internationalism. Even the Lensches, Südekums and Scheidmanns, all
> these agents of the German bourgeoisie, who, unfortunately, belong
> to the so-called “Social-Democratic” Party of Germany, insist that
> they are internationalists. Men must not be judged by their words,
> however, but by their deeds. This is a home truth. Will anyone in
> Russia judge Potresov, Levitsky, Bulkin and Co. by their words? Of course, 
> 

Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The left can oppose Russian intervention in Syria without capitulating to our own rulers | REDFLAG

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on Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2015 at 05:54, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:

SM>> Tartus in Syria is the only remaining Russian naval base outside Russia

> Sure, now that they've annex Crimea.

  The Krim peninsula has been ruled by Moscow since the 18th century, except 
for the short span of 23 years after the dismemberment of the Soviet Union and 
the separation of Ukraine. 

  
 
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on Montag, 12. Oktober 2015 at 23:03, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> I have a feeling that someone didn't get my joke and really assumed that
> I was giving advice on how to write a pro-Assad article. Can one of our
> German speakers give me some feedback?

> http://www.heise.de/tp/foren/S-The-idiot-s-guide-to-writing-an-anti-imperialist-article-about-Syria/forum-296042/msg-26976548/read/

  Yes the author of that comment does. He is acknowledging your blog article 
 
  
http://louisproyect.org/2015/10/10/the-idiots-guide-to-writing-an-anti-imperialist-article-about-syria/
 

  as the source of his comment. Infringing your copyright. 


 
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on Montag, 12. Oktober 2015 at 23:57, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Sort of confirms my suspicion that Germans lack a sense of humor 

 why that? 

 Don't you feel honored when people take your emanations as model for their 
comments, and acknowledge their source? Should he have translated your article 
word by word instead of just paraphrasing it? 

> except maybe for Katzenjammer Kids.

 ?? except that I heard of that but can't fathom what that has to do with 
Germans. 


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on Sonntag, 4. Oktober 2015 at 13:15, Thomas Campbell via Marxism wrote:

> https://therussianreader.wordpress.com/2015/10/04/varoufakis-moscow-biennale-anti-anti-putinist/


  "proven" by these words:

> I am not an anti-Putinist.  Anti-Putinism is too strong a word. 
> I am very critical of Putin, but his demonization in the West is
> something I also resist. We should be smarter and think about what
> it means to be critical. 
> 
> I am extremely critical of what Putin did in Chechnya, 
> and I have not forgiven him for it. But on the other hand, 
> Putin was absolutely right about what happened in Georgia, 
> and the West was absolutely wrong. 
> 
> I think that the West’s position on Crimea has also been inconsistent. 
> Russia was surrounded [sic] by NATO when Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, 
> and other countries were included in the alliance. 
> And for Russia it was an insult, as well as something close to 
> violating the agreement between Reagan and Gorbachev [sic]. 
> And Putin has been right about this, too. 
> So I have never supported the policy of demonizing Putin. 
> And I am afraid that Russians will have to suffer 
> the awful consequences of this process, 
> consequences which they do not deserve.

 
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Re: [Marxism] Capital vol 3

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on Samstag, 3. Oktober 2015 at 17:11, Angelus Novus via Marxism wrote:

  concerning the dating of the material used by Frederick Engels in compling 
vol. 3 of "Capital" 

> The editors of MEGA:

  in a publication note by the Academy of Science Berlin-Brandenburg, which is 
organizing the historical-critical edition of the works of Marx and Engels: 

> Source:  
> http://mega.bbaw.de/struktur/abteilung_ii/ii-15


  follows a misleading summary by my correspondent: 

> Engels consulted later manuscripts (which will/have been published
> as part of MEGA), but the published text of "Volume III" is based
> upon the 1864/65 manuscript, with heavy editorial changes by Engels.

  Frederick Engels gives a much more detailed account of how he constructed the 
third book of "Das Kapital". 

  He did not date the main manuscript, but said that it was unfinished and as 
such unuseable for publication. Engels said that certain parts were taken from 
other manuscripts of the 1870ies, and one chapter is completely written by 
Engels himself, because Marx had only noted the chapter's title. And Engels 
writes that the mathematical formula of calculating the relationship of rate of 
profit to rate of surplus value had to be corrected. All parts of the text 
which are by Engels are included in brackets "[yxyxyxyx]"

  Regarding the law of the tendential fall of the rate of profit -- this is in 
part three (Chapters 13, 14, 15) -- Engels wrote: 

> As for the following three parts, aside from stylistic editing I was able to 
> follow the original manuscript almost throughout. 

  I invite the readers here ot read Engel's introduction himself, either the 
German original at
> http://www.mlwerke.de/me/me25/me25_007.htm   

or in the English translation at
> https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/pref.htm 

  Engels performed an indispensable work which no other person could have done, 
and thus was able to bring humanity a very, very valuable item, Karl Marx' 
final volume his main scientific work. 

  The publisher's publication note which New Angel quoted says that the 
publication of that book provoked many disputes, some of which are regurgitated 
today -- in my view all kinds of bourgeois and petty-bourgeois apologists of 
the capitalist rule. A late one was brought to my attention by Louis Proyect, 
and article by Prof. Unsinn (er, Sinn is his legal name), the president of the 
Munich based "IFO Institut" and producer of a lot of nonsense, who wrote an 
article about the falling rate of profit. 

  As to the reality of the falling rate of profit (which is described by Marx 
as a tendency, which is checked by many counter forces), it should be enough to 
look at the interest rates in the imperialist countries, which is at its lowest 
possible level near zero, in some cases even negative. 


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on Sonntag, 4. Oktober 2015 at 17:19, Angelus Novus via Marxism wrote:

> I'm not even sure what the intention of this non sequitur is.  Yes,
> Engels made substantial editorial modifications to the manuscript,
> and even wrote entire passages himself.  Why you think anyone
> disputes this is beyond me.  Or do I misunderstand you and you side
> with those who dispute the credibility of of Engels edition by
> pointing out the substantial modifications he made to Marx's original 
> manuscripts?

 Engels, being the other half of the siamese twins, COMPLETED the unfinished 
work of his life long companion. He had to. There was no other one who could 
have done it, except his close friend Karl Marx. But that one died before the 
General. Engels did a great work by completing the work. Without Engels' work 
we would not be able to read it. 

  If you want to enhance the role of Engels in this work, this is against 
Engels' own intention. Engels attributed the main role in this scientific work 
to his siamese twin (in political terms), Karl Marx. 

 Petty bourgeois intellectuals like to romanticize Marx and to demonize the 
other part of the unseparable political twins. Even if Marx treated them the 
same satirical way as Engels did. 

 And they also like to hide the revolutionary strategy the couple pursued in 
the 1848/49 revolution, calling for a revolutionary war against Czarist Russia 
to reconsitute Poland as an united and independent republic, this being the 
necessary precondition for the establishment of not only Germany, but also 
Hungary and Italy as independent republics (I am currently working to improve 
the presentation of Engels' articles about the July 1848 chatterbox on the 
annexation of the Prussian occupied parts of Poland to Germany in the 1848/49 
Nationalversammlung in the Frankfurt Paulskirche  
http://www.mlwerke.de/me/me05/me05_319.htm ). There you have more of the 
reasons why the petty bourgeois intellectuals hate Engels for the treatment is 
giving them in those articles. 

>> Regarding the law of the tendential fall of the rate of profit -- this is in 
>> part three 

>> (Chapters 13, 14, 15)

> This is actually Marx's third chapter of the 1864-65 Manuscript, as
> Heinrich notes.  Given that the whole discussion around FROP was
> precisely what gave rise to the contention about the sequence in
> which the manuscripts were written, I thank you for bringing things
> back full circle and acknowledging that the contentious passages in
> question were, indeed, written before Volume I.

 before Volume 1 was _published._

 And it is actually very plain and absolutely not hard to understand. Today's 
reality makes that easy. 

>> bourgeois and petty-bourgeois apologists of the capitalist rule. 
> Bro, do you actually use sentences like that in real life? 

 Me, your brother?  Oh no! I wave you a good bye with the words of the Erdgeist 
leaving Faust alone in his study: 
"Du gleichst dem Geist, dem Du begreifst, nicht mir!" 

 As to the real life, sure. I use it for all people like Professor Unsinn and 
you. And I don't hide behind some celestial disguise. 

 And, as far as what I am for is concerned, I am for having a good dinner 
tonight. 


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on Sonntag, 4. Oktober 2015 at 20:07, Angelus Novus via Marxism wrote:

> Why are people getting all worked up about the totally
> non-controversial statement that the manuscript that Engels used as
> the basis for Volume III (and which provides the textual passages
> for the material on FROP) is older than the manuscript for Vol. I
> and the manuscript used for Engels' edition of Volume II? 

  because you try to use this simple fact as a weapon against Marx' scientific 
and political legacy. 


 
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on Samstag, 3. Oktober 2015 at 13:07, Angelus Novus via Marxism wrote:

> Phillip Ferguson:

>> What's your source for this?

> MEGA and its editors. 

 Don't indicate a vague direction, but give a concrete source. A journal 
article, for example, or another publicly accessible document, with page number 
and all. 

  BTW, I am always amused by your username on Yahoo. Really funny. It reminds 
me of the banner I saw in one of the early "Blockupy" demonstrations in 
Frankfurt/Main with the text "For a revolutionary perspective!" (my translation 
from German). I did not bother to ask the carriers of that banner from whom 
they expect to be provided with such a perspective. 

  On the other hand, Ferguson writes his first name with just one "l". 

  Besides, I am for having good weather tomorrow. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Tariq Ali puts six-bedroom Highgate home on the market 20 years after snapping it up | Daily Mail Online

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on Freitag, 2. Oktober 2015 at 15:40, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Jack Barnes and Mary-Alice Waters must really be envious.

 Not to speak of Frederick Engels and his buddy Karl Marx. 

 
 
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Re: [Marxism] CPUSA 'Jewish Life' Magazine -- Help Needed

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on Freitag, 2. Oktober 2015 at 13:01, Paul Flewers via Marxism wrote:

> As part of this, I need to obtain a copy of article from the June 1956 issue 
> of
> the CPUSA journal Jewish Life to check the text in the Reasoner, no 1, against
> the original, as some of the text is garbled. The holdings in various 
> libraries
> in London do not have this issue, nor does the on-line archive of the journal 
> on
> the Jewish Currents website.

> Does anyone here know where I might be able to get this, either as a hard copy
> (xeroxed) or a scan (PDF)?

  Is that possibly this publication 

> Jewish life (New York, N.Y. : 1946)
>
> Frequency  Monthly
> Published
> New York, N.Y. : Morning Freiheit Association 1946-1957 
>
> Physical description
> 11 v. : ill. ; 29 cm.
> Notes
>
> Vol. 1, no. 1 (Nov. 1946)-v. 11, no. 12 (Oct. 1957)= -130.
> Published by: Morning Freiheit Association, Nov. 1946-July
> 1950; Morgen Freiheit, Inc., Aug. 1, 1950-July 1951; Progressive Jewish Life, 
> Inc., Aug. 1951-

  Held At "University College London" 
 http://copac.jisc.ac.uk/search?date=1956=Jewish%20life=15 
  and at the British Library:
 
http://copac.jisc.ac.uk/search?date=1956=Jewish%20life=British%20Library=25
 

  More search results on Great Britain (or the whole country Ukogbani): 
 
http://copac.jisc.ac.uk/search?date=1956=Jewish%20life=University%20College%20London=1
 


 
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Re: [Marxism] On the breakthrough of the Israeli-Russian military alliance

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on Mittwoch, 23. September 2015 at 20:33, Steven L. Robinson via Marxism wrote:

> http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/23-09-2015/132088-israel-0//

  May I remind the kind readership of this list that in the fall of 1947, the 
Soviet Union was next to the USofA the prime pusher for the partition of 
Palestine in the US General Assembly, thus giving political backing to the 
creation of the colonial settler state Israel with its racist foundation. 

  So, is there anything else not new? 
 
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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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10 of 71 Bodies identified

on Donnerstag, 3. September 2015 at 14:10, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote, 
replying to messages by Clay Claiborne: 

>>> We now know that the 71 dead bodies found in the back of a truck on a 
>>> road in Austria were refugees from Syria. They left Syria, not for 

>  Caution, man, with your usual haste to proclaim what you believe to know!

>  The Austrian police is just /assuming/ that those dead bodies were
> a group of Syrian refugees, because they found a Syrian travel document on 
> one of the corpses.

   The Austrian ministry for the interior informed on yesterday (Wednesday, 23 
September 2015, at 14h28) that they had identified 10 of the 71 bodies found as 
being _Iraqis._ 9 men and 1 woman. 

   
http://www.bmi.gv.at/cms/bmi/_news/bmi.aspx?id=4B327863766641506C41733D=0=1
 

   Artikel Nr: 12872 vom Mittwoch, 23. September 2015, 14:28 Uhr. 

   So far for Mr. Clay Claiborne's wisdom knowing all. 

 
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on Dienstag, 22. September 2015 at 16:10, Louis Proyect via Marxism quoted 
Lenin's 1915 letter to C.W. Fitzgerald, secretary of the "Socialist Propaganda 
League" 

> In our struggle for true internationalism & against “jingo-socialism” we
> always quote in our press the example of the opportunist leaders of the
> S.P. in America, who are in favor of restrictions of the immigration of
> Chinese and Japanese workers (especially after the Congress of 
> Stuttgart, 1907, & against the decisions of Stuttgart). We think that 
> one can not be internationalist & be at the same time in favor of such
> restrictions. And we assert that Socialists in America, especially 
> English Socialists, belonging to the ruling, and oppressing nation, who
> are not against any restrictions of immigration, against the possession
> of colonies (Hawaii) and for the entire freedom of colonies, that such
> Socialists are in reality jingoes.

> https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/nov/09.htm


  Thanks for telling us of this letter. This prompted me to bring the German 
translation online:
  http://www.mlwerke.de/le/le21/le21_430.htm 

  With some annotation by me and linking to the English original at the MIA 
(Lenin had written in english). 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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10 of 71 Bodies identified

on Donnerstag, 3. September 2015 at 14:10, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote, 
replying to messages by Clay Claiborne: 

>>> We now know that the 71 dead bodies found in the back of a truck on a 
>>> road in Austria were refugees from Syria. They left Syria, not for 

>  Caution, man, with your usual haste to proclaim what you believe to know!

>  The Austrian police is just /assuming/ that those dead bodies were
> a group of Syrian refugees, because they found a Syrian travel document on 
> one of the corpses.

  The Austrian ministry for the interior informed on yesterday (Wednesday, 23 
September 2015, at 14h28) that they had identified 10 of the 71 bodies found as 
being _Iraqis._ 9 men and 1 woman. The note by the ministry said that the 
relatives had been informed and that 4 bodies had already been conveyed to 
their home country. 

  
http://www.bmi.gv.at/cms/bmi/_news/bmi.aspx?id=4B327863766641506C41733D=0=1
 

  Artikel Nr: 12872 vom Mittwoch, 23. September 2015, 14:28 Uhr. 

  So far for Clay Claiborne's wisdom knowing all. 


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: The Cut | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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on Donnerstag, 17. September 2015 at 21:41, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Opening today at Lincoln Plaza in New York is “The Cut”, a film by 
> Turkish director Fatih Akin 

  Actually most people describe Fatih Akın as a _German_ film director and 
screenwriter and producer. 

  Fatih Akın was born and raised in Hamburg, Germany, from parents who had 
immigrated from Turkey. 

  Sure, "in Akin's cinema, the lives of German Turks are a recurring theme, 
such as their struggles and their confusion about two different cultures", as 
the en.Wikipedia article on Akın says. See 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatih_Akin 

  And he "has never denied his Turkish roots and even accepted the Cannes award 
in the name of Turkish cinema", but has got all his education including higher 
studies of cinema in Germany. 

   And, as far as I know, all his films were released first in Germany (except 
at festivals) before being shown in other countries. 


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Re: [Marxism] Syrian refugees, and the major culprit

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on Dienstag, 8. September 2015 at 03:04, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:

> Lüko Willms ends his message of this morning with the sentence,
> "That is the line to be followed: 'You created the crisis, you then
> should take in the refugees which you created'."
> Lüko and I agree on the need to demand that the US take in Syrian refugees.

  Not only to accept refugees in large numbers, but also stop fuelling the 
destructive civil war in Syria by their intervention. 

  Makeing clear that it is the US imperial monster which is keeping the 
destruction alive. That it is the US war against the peoples of this world 
which is the main source of IS's strength. Withdraw all US military to inside 
the US borders. That's the beginning of peace in this world. 

  And reminding the USA of its shameful refusal to accept Jewish refugees from 
the Nazi rule in Germany and Europe. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Australia will take Syrian refugees, by Christ

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on Dienstag, 8. September 2015 at 13:35, John Passant via Marxism wrote:

> Australia will take Syrian refugees, by Christ

> Germany will on current estimates take 800,000 refugees this year. 
> Germany and Australia are comparable rich countries. Germany has not 
> quite four times Australia's population. 

  and a huge territory, a whole continent which is only sparsely populated

> So why aren't we talking about Australia taking 200,000 refugees this year
> ? We used to take that if not more migrants. We could do it easily.

  A nation of immigrants claims that immigration is a danger... ridiculous! 

> http://enpassant.com.au/2015/09/08/australia-will-take-syrian-refugees-by-christ/



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Re: [Marxism] Syrian refugees, and the major culprit

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on Mittwoch, 9. September 2015 at 19:06, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:

> We find common ground in raising the demand that the US take in
> more Syrian refugees.  I take note that some groups that share your
> view of the conflict in Syria have not raised that demand, as far as
> I know, judging from their websites.

  They obviously do not share my views, otherwise they would hammer the empire 
to open the door to refugees from the empire's crimes. 

  Anyway, I can't believe that the WWP and its splinters have much in common 
with my politics. Strange that you can't see this. 


 
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on Mittwoch, 9. September 2015 at 13:57, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Laziness, confusion and opportunism 

  good description of the source of that gobbledegook text


 
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on Sonntag, 6. September 2015 at 23:30, Ken Hiebert posted an article by a 
Harsha Walia

of which I want to turn your attention to these words: 

> This week newspapers are also filled with headlines of Harper and
> European leaders saying that further military action in Syria is
> necessary to resolve the crisis. (Here Sozan Savelaghi’s response to
> this on CTV National News Channel: http://on.fb.me/1NWtrNV) This
> makes me so angry and I have a lot of rage. Rage because further
> militarization will not bring liberation and exclusionary border policies 
> kill.


 
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Re: [Marxism] Abusing the Syrian refugees another time - and simpletons clinging to their ideological schemas

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on Montag, 7. September 2015 at 03:26, Michael Karadjis via Marxism wrote:

> MK: Precisely, official opinions. Like this one:
> Editorial of the New York Times on April 2, 2015: “the reality is that
> Mr. Assad has become a necessary, if still unpalatable, potential ally
> in combating the Islamic State” 
> (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/opinion/the-crimes-of-terrorists.html?_r=0)

  this is just a repetition of what they said about the "unnatural alliance" of 
the western imperialst powers with the Soviet Union (USSR) after German 
imperialism launched the invasion of the USSR on June 21, 1941, in order to 
away what he called "Englands continental sword" (Englands Festlandsdegen) 
(difficult to find the exact source of that quote, because the Web search 
machines turn up dozens of occurences from the May 2010 examination question of 
the IB Diploma Programme )(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IB_Diploma_Programme): 
"An unnatural alliance that was bound to fall apart after the defeat of the 
common enemy". 

  But look up Churchills June 22, 1941 speech here: 
> http://www.winstonchurchill.org/resources/speeches/1941-1945-war-leader/the-fourth-climacteric
>  

  a quote: 

> The Nazi régime is indistinguishable from the worst features of
> Communism. It is devoid of all theme and principle except appetite
> and racial domination. It excels all forms of human wickedness in
> the efficiency of its cruelty and ferocious aggression. No one has
> been a more consistent opponent of Communism than I have for the
> last twenty-five years. I will unsay no word that I have spoken
> about it. But all this fades away before the spectacle which is now
> unfolding. The past with its crimes, its follies and its tragedies, 
> flashes away.

  and further down:

> But now I have to declare the decision of His Majesty's Government
> - and I feel sure it is a decision in which the great Dominions
> will, in due course, concur - for we must speak out now at once,
> without a day's delay. I have to make the declaration, but can you
> doubt what our policy will be? We have but one aim and one single,
> irrevocable purpose. We are resolved to destroy Hitler and every
> vestige of the Nazi r?gime. From this nothing will turn us -
> nothing. We will never parley, we will never negotiate with Hitler
> or any of his gang. We shall fight him by land, we shall fight him
> by sea, we shall fight him in the air, until with God's help we have
> rid the earth of his shadow and liberated its peoples from his yoke.
> Any man or state who fights on against Nazidom will have our aid. 
  

  The Syrian Baath regime acted as subcontractor in the US-American world wide 
network of torture centers. 

  But neither the White House nor Wall Street accepted Syria as their people -- 
and grabbed the first occasion to declare the necessitey of overthrowing by 
force the legal government of Syria. 

  But the "Islamic State" is -- in their eyes -- even worse. The IS is 
beginning to dismantle the colonial balkanization of the Arab East imposed by 
the European winners of the First World War, and that is a crime, just as the 
USA considered it a crime that neither Japan nor the USA conquered China at the 
end of WW2, but the Chinese themselves. That was not intended. It took another 
occasion to form an "unnatural alliance" with Mao's "Red China" against the 
Vietnamese national liberation and later the demise of the Pol Pot regime in 
Kambodia. 

  People who can't see the tactical pragmatism of imperialism appear as 
pathetic simpletons, who have made up a rigid ideology (i.e. false 
consciousnous) to justify their support for US imperialism by coloring the 
imperialist scheme of one day as "liberation" and "revolution". That is the 
fate of people who have given up thinking by themselves and getting their 
"line" from the Corporate News Networks and Faux News. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Syrian refugees, and the major culprit

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on Sonntag, 6. September 2015 at 21:21, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:

> Lüko Willms said:
>   You looked up US-american organizations. They would perhaps react
> to the refugees dying at the US-border against Mexico, but why
> should they take a position on a European issue, the huge wave of
> refugees fleeing the Third World countries in Africa and Asia? 

> Ken Hiebert replies:
> They could be demanding that the US accept more refugees. 
> According to the article below,  "The U.S. has admitted roughly
> 1,500 Syrian refugees since 2011 and says that it will resettle no
> more than 8,000 by the end of 2016. "

> http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/09/04/major-culprit-creating-crisis-us-rebuked-failing-refugees

  Good article! Let me repeat its headline: 
"As Major Culprit in Creating Crisis, US Rebuked for Failing Refugees"

  and in the text: 

> Now, many are also looking across the Atlantic to the United
> States, where observers say key responsibility for the crisis
> lies—not only because the country is lagging in its humanitarian
> response, but also because its war policies lie at the root of the ongoing 
> displacement.
>
> "Iraqis, Syrians, Palestinians, and Libyans are not running away
> from their homes because of a natural disaster," Raed Jarrar, expert
> on Middle East politics and government relations manager for the
> American Friends Service Committee, told Common Dreams. "The U.S.
> should see this crisis as partially caused by its own actions in the region."

  That is the line to be followed: "You created the crisis, you then should 
take in the refugees which you created". 
 


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on Montag, 7. September 2015 at 08:51, Stuart Munckton via Marxism wrote:

> http://links.org.au/node/4573

  "Links" is not correct writing "This piece was first published on Jean-Luc 
Melenchon's blog" - it may well have been translater from the French 
translation, but Oskar Lafontaine is writing in German and his article was 
first published in the daily paper "Junge Welt" at
> https://www.jungewelt.de/2015/08-22/001.php 

  As to the contents -- my good old friend Oskar is and remains a 
social-democrat and he can't think outside of a bourgeois perspective. Its 
boring. 
  

 
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[Marxism] Misleading propaganda about "no fly zone" (was: This is what it’s come to: Letting Syria die watching Syrians drown)

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on Freitag, 4. September 2015 at 10:01, Michael Karadjis via Marxism wrote:

> A US imposed no-fly zone that instead targets the warplanes in the sky

The right wing propaganda for a more vigorous imperialist aggression to put a 
subservient regime in place in Damascus does of course lie about the so called 
"no fly zone". 

No, a "no fly zone" does not really involve "targetting warplances in the sky", 
but heavy bombing of the ground. 

It means not only destroying airports, but first and foremost destroying all 
air defenses of the country of which the imperialist aggressor wants to take 
control of, and this needs massive bombing. 

> Oh no! Imperialist intervention!

> The irony being that the US is vigorously opposed to any no-fly zone! 

One of your leaders, Ms. Hillary Clinton, had made clear when she was the US 
foreign minister, that bombing Syria is a not so easy as assinating some people 
in Asia or Africa by teleguided killing machines -- among several reasons -- 
the Syrian government has an effective air defense. While the Ghaddafi regime 
of Libya had given up their air defense on demand of the imperialist powers for 
being accepted as a good friend of imperialism. Libya has suffered 
corresondingly. Syria on the other hand could at least avoid such terror 
bombing as Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya suffered. And Vietnam, and Laos, and 
Korea, and and and 

> and saves lives of civilians? 

The 10 year "no fly zone" war with "sanctions" against Iraq has killed 500'000 
Iraqi children. Another of your leaders, Ms. Madeleine Albright, who was US 
foreign minister back than, thought that this was worth it. 

No, imposing this so sweet sounding "no fly zone" is as murderous as any other 
imperialist aggression. It just saves some lives of the aggressor's canon 
fudder, who kill in Asia and return daily home from "work" to their family home 
in, say, Kansas. 

As a side note, there is another big error in the post by Mr. Karadjis:

> So you want to oppose imperialist intervention - good, so when do you 
> think it began? As myself, Louis, Clay and others have shown 
> [...] in 2012. 

 Far off the mark. The imperialist intervention began in at least 1914. 

 And has never stopped since. 


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On Samstag, 5. September 2015 at 15:31, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:

> I did a quick survey of groups that I identify as favourable to the
> Syrian government.  I wanted to see how they are responding to the current 
> refugee crisis..
> I did not see any response.

  You looked up US-american organizations. They would perhaps react to the 
refugees dying at the US-border against Mexico, but why should they take a 
position on a European issue, the huge wave of refugees fleeing the Third World 
countries in Africa and Asia? 



 
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Re: [Marxism] Syrian refugees, and the human wave breaking down all barriers, showing the power of a mass movement

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on Samstag, 5. September 2015 at 18:01, Louis Proyect via Marxism speculated:

> It is important to understand that the latest wave of refugees are from
> the middle class as opposed to those who ended up in Turkey or Lebanon
> since it takes substantial sums to pay for a trip on a boat, even as it
> entails terrible risks. 

  Have you asked any of them? 

  It is rater correct to assume that they came right of the refugee camps in 
Turkey, seeing a chance to get out of harms way and to a safe place, since they 
saw the success of other refugees trying the long sea route from Libya to 
Lampedusa. And worried by the change in policy by the Turkish government to 
actively intervene in the Syrian civil war (and against the Turkish und Syrian 
Kurds at the same time). But this is also just speculation. 

  Fact is that, while in the current wave of refugees trying to reach Germany 
those from Syria seem to be a majority, but there are also lots of other 
countries, namely Iraq and Afghanistan. All from countries which had been 
militarily attacked by US imperialism. 

  And a central observation has to be stressed, namely that this mass movement 
had overcome the border police of Makedonia, Hungary, Austria and Germany, just 
by their sheer numers. They have proven the power of the mass movement. 

  And they have show that and how the masses put forward their own leaders, 
those who took the initiative to walk from Budapest to the Austrian border, 
having been abused by the treachery of the right-wing hungarian government. 

  Those Syrians who took the lead chose not to take part in the Syrian civil 
war for a government acceptable to imperialism, but showed themselves capable 
of leading mass movement. 


 
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on Sonntag, 6. September 2015 at 15:17, Michael Karadjis via Marxism wrote:

> including a lot of Alawites who see the futility of dying for the regime:

  or for any of the other groups jockeying for the position of the quisling of 
the "International Community" or for the totalitarian Islamic State which at 
least is in a fundamental opposition to imperialism and the balkanization of 
Arabia by the European colonialists. 


 
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[Marxism] Abusing the Syrian refugees another time

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on Samstag, 5. September 2015 at 15:37, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:

> It's worth noting, it's not always clear exactly what or whom the refugees
> are fleeing. Many of the Syrian refugees I spoke with in Egypt and Lebanon
> blamed ISIS and the Nusra Front rather than the regime, although that was
> not necessarily a prevailing view. In any case I don't know why you would
> expect any of these groups to issue statements, but they easily could by
> doing what they always do and blaming the resistance.

 The refugies from Syria have been abused by the warring parties in Syria, by 
Turkey, by Greece (under the famous "left" Syriza government!), by Macedonia, 
by Hungary, by Austria and are being abused again by the German authorities, 
who will quickly show them the right place in some refugee retainment center, 
despite the posturing they display today in face of the unbeateable human wave 
streaming up the Balkan from the Aegean islands off the Turkish coast. 

  And thy are abused again by the right wing of the imperialist war mongers who 
use them as pawn for their war drive, to call for increasing the US aggression 
against Syria by indiscriminate bombings. 

 
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[Marxism] FSA Cheerleaders: Jacobin is Baathist Propaganda (was: Fwd: Greece in Chaos; KKE to Fix Everything ) Worker's Spatula

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on Samstag, 5. September 2015 at 04:44, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote
under the subject "Fwd: Greece in Chaos; KKE to Fix Everything | Worker's 
Spatula":

> full: 
> https://workersspatula.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/greece-in-chaos-kke-to-fix-everything/

  There is another piece from the same paper pertinent to this list#s 
discussions: 

> NEW YORK CITY – FSA-worshipping Trotskyists are expressing outrage
> on Facebook and reportedly readying an adorable petition against
> Jacobin for publishing a summary piece about Syria entitled “the War on 
> Syria” by one Patrick Higgins.

 read in full at 

 
https://workersspatula.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/fsa-cheerleaders-jacobin-is-baathist-propaganda/
  


> “Who’s Patrick Higgins? More like Assadrick Baathiggins, am I right?” 
> read another deeply informed comment, posted by one Janet Smith, 
> a young activist affiliated with “Solidarity” in Los Angeles.



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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Maysaloon - ميسلون: Can the last person out of Syria please turn off the lights?

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on Freitag, 4. September 2015 at 20:19, Louis Proyect via Marxism quoted:

> The refugee problem is mainly a Syrian refugee problem, 

  No, this is a superficial view based on the most recent wave of thousands of 
refugees coming from Turkey via the Greek islands off the Turkish coast and 
using the Balkan route via Macedonia, Serbia, and Hungary to come to central 
Europe, mostly aiming for Germany. There also refugees from Afghanistan, but 
they are not so prominent in this wave. 

  In the older refugee routes in the central Mediterranean sea, there are also 
many people from Syria, but a larger part from Eritrea, Somalia and other 
places. And people from central and western Africa; those being most prominent 
in the far west, trying to cross the separation wall surrounding the Spanish 
enclaves on the northern Maroccan coast. 

  And then thouse how come from north of the mediteranean sea, those from 
Albania, Kosovo, and other parts of former Jugoslavia. 


 
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on Freitag, 4. September 2015 at 01:21, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> I don't think there has been a real 
> theoretical breakthrough in coming to grips with what the Taliban, ISIS,
> et al represent.

  because people are being deluded by the rethoric which these groups display 
instead of looking into the essence. 

  In the current incarnations of such type of movements they only see that they 
cloth them in religious (islamic) formula, and that prevents them from seeing 
the fundamental common ground with the Pol Potist "Khmer Rouge", the "Sendero 
Luminoso" and other movements borrowing their words from stalinism. 

  The common ground is the idea that all problems of society are being solved 
by enforcing a strong ideological homogeneity of society, in beliefs and way of 
life, while pouting a sense of a victim of prosecution by powerful outside 
forces. 

  There are common characteristics with religious communities like the North 
American Amish (or Pennsylvania Dutch), except the use of violence. 

 
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on Freitag, 4. September 2015 at 01:06, A.R. G via Marxism wrote:

> Does it make sense to call ISIS "fascist"?

  Think about all the other ideologues of that kind - the Khmer Rouge, Sendero 
Luminoso, Bakunin... 

  They share the totalitarian concept of ideologic homogeneity of the 
population, which is being enforced, if needed, by brutal repression. 

  But the hallmark of fascism is the mobilisation of the disappointed petty 
bourgeoisie, turning their frustration away from the ruling class against the 
working class in order to destry the working class organizations and atomize 
the class. That is different. 


 
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[Marxism] Corporate media calling for deepening the war against Syria (was: This is what it’s come to: Letting Syria die watching Syrians drown)

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on Donnerstag, 3. September 2015 at 16:47, Michael Karadjis via Marxism wrote:

>  The one thing the democratic 
> opposition wanted from the world was a no-fly zone and air-patrolled 
> humanitarian corridors. Even that was too much to ask. There is no going
> home now.

> And so I have to say to them, this is the reality, this is the
> result of all your anti-war activism, and now the people are drowning in
> the sea.”

  Another House Nigger found to bolster the war drive. 

  The problem for the corporate media is not the war, but that the war is not 
intense enough. They want a direct armed intervention by the USofA and other 
colonialists to take over the country. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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on Samstag, 29. August 2015 at 08:38, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:

>   Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's
> holocaust?

 They are rather 71 of thousands of victims of the border regime of Fortress 
Europe, just like the deaths at the wall which the USA had built on its border 
to Mexico (or rather what is left of Mexico after having conquered at least 
half of Mexico'*s territory). 

 They are the victims of imperialist war against and interventions in the 
countries of the Third World to bring them back under governments which are 
subservient to imperialism. 

  But why did they not bomb Syria "back into the stone age", as your masters 
wanted to do with Vietnam, or at least as much as they bombed Libya, Mali, 
Afghanistan and Iraq? Ms. Clinton explained while she was the US foreign 
minister: for one, Syria under the Baath regime had not, as Libya under 
Ghaddafi, handed their air defense to the imperialist aggressor, secondly 
because the Russians have a military base in Syria, and because Syria is so 
central to the Mashraq (the Arab East) and especially the Fertile Crescent, 
that an armed intervention risks to blow up the whole colonial balkanization of 
Arabia. But they fueled the civil war destroying Syria by giving hope to the 
various contenders for power over Syria to be legitimized and recognized by 
"the international community" (led by the USA) as the new ruler of the country. 
But this civil war also brought the "Islamic State" to power, whose power comes 
from the US war which is felt as a war against Islam. And the IS wiping out the 
border between the Eastern and Western branch of the Fertile Crescent, imposed 
by the European victors of WW1. 

 Yes, all Corporate News Networks and Faux News outlets will clap you on the 
shoulder for your valient action ot deflect criticism away  from the real 
culprits and onto the countries of the Third World themselves. Go on, and 
you'll get the order of services to the empire. 

 And coming back to your baiting, you are of course in full agreement with the 
imperialist rulers of Europe and the rest of the world, that the governments of 
the Third World countries are to blame for each and every wrong on this planet 
(and, of course, the Russians, always the Russians), that's why they make war 
 
> 

>> We now know that the 71 dead bodies found in the back of a truck on a 
>> road in Austria were refugees from Syria. They left Syria, not for 

 Caution, man, with your usual haste to proclaim what you believe to know! 

 The Austrian police is just /assuming/ that those dead bodies were a group of 
Syrian refugees, because they found a Syrian travel document on one of the 
corpses. 



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Re: [Marxism] Who has the US bombed for in Syria?

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on Dienstag, 1. September 2015 at 09:08, Michael Karadjis via Marxism wrote:

> Some may take issue with the message from the facts I present below. 

 which are -- in so far as they are actual facts -- irrelevant for an answer to 
the question in the Subject line. 

 The USofA bombs only and exclusively for its own national interest, the 
national interest of the most brutal and powerful empire humanity has ever 
seen. 
 
 This "national interest" which manifested itself in the genocidal war against 
the North American natives and the conquest of half of Mexico, in the chattel 
slavery imposed on Africans brought to America in chains, on the continuing "Go 
West" by conquering various Spanish colonies in the Pacific, most prominently 
the Philippines, and in the Caribbean, namely Puerto Rico and -- partially Cuba 
-- and taking hold of Hawaii, of intervening in the interimperialist war of 
1914-18 and in the Soviet Union to destroy the socialist revolution there, 
finally the 2nd inter-imperialist world war which ended offically 70 years ago. 

  A "national interest" which aims at domininating world production and 
marketing of commodities, sources of raw materials and international waterways. 
Which is being promoted by military bases around the world and fleets of 
warships with aircraft carriers in all seven seas. The "invisible hand" of the 
market also needs the iron fist of the military, and there is no McDonalds 
without McDonnell-Douglas (who coined that phrase?). 

  A "national interest" which sees itself threatened by the economic rise not 
only of imperialist competitors, but also of the country which was the main 
prize the USA waged the war for 70 years ago, namely China. 

  While the "national interest" is either the interest of the ruling class or 
of the class striving to become the ruling one, one has to admit that the 
"national interest" of the USA is only the interest of the US capitalist class. 
The working class of the USA has not yet risen to organize itself into a 
separate political party. The national interest of the US working class is to 
dismantle the US system of world domination, and the world is waiting for the 
awakening of that class. It would also end the US intervention in the Syrian 
civil war. 



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Re: [Marxism] Are 71 Syrian refugees found dead in Austria part of Assad's holocaust?

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on Donnerstag, 3. September 2015 at 15:56, Michael Karadjis via Marxism wrote:

> And many of that same school now say, as usual in complete agreement 
> with the imperialists, that hundreds of thousands are not being bombed
> into the Mediterranean Sea by Assad, but rather are fleeing "war,", or
> ISIS, or "western intervention. Wow. 

  Millions of Syrians are fleeing the war, because they see the civil war 
destroying Syria making their life there unbearable. 

  And because they do not want to be part of that war. That's why they try to 
get out of harms way. 

  The countries of the aggressor seem to be the best place to find rest, 
because in war by proxy and teleguided from "home" is the calm spot like the 
eye of the storm. 

  You and all the other talking heads on the Corporate News Networks do, of 
course, deny the responsibility of the imperialist war against the Third World. 
You want the aggression to deepen with bombings by the B52 and other means of 
terrorism. You all want the Syrian government to be overturned by force and the 
country put under a subservient government. But when young people heed your 
call and actually go to Syria to join the fight, then they are demonized as 
"terrorists" and put in jail on their return. 

 
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on Freitag, 28. August 2015 at 19:22, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

 Last night I told Gibney in the QA that Rod was a comrade and that all
 the crap that Jobs did, depicted in full detail in the film, Rod had the
 highest regard for him.

  Somewhere in the second part of that sentence some word is missing to make it 
understandable. 


 
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on Mittwoch, 26. August 2015 at 02:20, Anthony Brain via Marxism gave a link to 
his latest Wordpress-blog article, which contained e.g. this:

  75 Billion Pounds were wasted in the stock market crash in the
 City of London during August 24th 2015. Additionally I have heard
 two days ago that the American Stock Market has lost 5 Trillion
 Dollars. All that money being wasted which could be used for
 productive investments for human need. 

 actually no, the drop in stock exchange values only showed that this was 
fictitious capital, which could not be realized when their owners tried to 
transform it in real values. These stock market values are product of 
speculation, not real production of value, even if this fictitious capital is 
being used to appropriate real values produced the world around in the process 
of a redivision of the surplus value. 

 Only human labor produces new value. 

 And human labor is the prime force which is needed for productive 
investmensts, not money. 

 That is why I have always said in regard to the crisis in Greece, that the 
first task is not to get the creditors to renounce of parts of their debt 
claims, but to mobilise the huge number of unemployed people in the country 
(with an unemployed rate of 25%) for a public works programm. Only the real 
mobilisation of human beings taking their fate in their working hands can be 
the basis for a renegotiation of the foreign debt of Greece. 

 Further down he wrote:

 Revolutionary upheavals could become more frequent in the next
 period. Key to Trotskyist strategy is utilise the examples of
 workers’ states of what is possible.

  I don't think that this would help. More important is the practial experience 
of the working class people in the capitalist countries with their own force of 
the big numbers and own productive role, gaining confidence in their own 
strength instead of this destitute thinking that it is always outside forces we 
have to expect help from. 

  

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Re: [Marxism] Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria

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on Mittwoch, 26. August 2015 at 18:39, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote:

 I wonder if Iran has accepted any refugees. 

  There are just three other Arab states bordering on Syria: Lebanon, Jordan, 
and Iraq. 

  Lebanon has millions of refugees from the Syrian civil war, and Jordan also 
lots of them, but in a very controlled and limited way. 

  Iraq is certainly not a safe place to find a refuge in. And there is no way 
to get to Iran other than passing thru Iraq. 

  No, Syrian refugees are going to Europe, to the very countries who fuel the 
Syrian civil war by demanding the violent overturn of the Syrian govenment, and 
which erect barbed wire fences to stop the hundreds of thousends of refugees 
trying to find a safe place in the center of the storm. 

  Lots of red herrings about Arab countries in numbers --- three. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Assad worst than ISIS: Another 50 civilians murdered in Douma today

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on Sonntag, 23. August 2015 at 04:26, A.R. G via Marxism wrote, querying Clay 
Claiborne

 Wait, are you saying that the US should impose a no-fly zone?

  Yes, Mr. Claiborne is a 100% supporter of US imperialism

  Have the rebel groups called for such a measure to be taken by the United 
 States?

  Yes, they called on the enemy to intervene in Syria as in Iraq and 
Afghanistan and Libya by massive bombardements. 

  They are following the tradition of Arab elites to call on the enemies of 
the Arab nation to help one of the cliques aiming to be imperialisms stooges to 
take the absolute power and eliminate all competitors. Just as in 1914-19 
looking to British imperalism, and since 1940 to US imperialism. 

  They act against the interests of the Arab and other oppressed nations, which 
is to unite against US imperialism, the enemigo de la humanidad, the enemy 
of hunankind as the Sandinista hymn so aptly called it. 

  There is no other way. 
 
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Re: [Marxism] Bild.de: The truth about Assad's war on Syria

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On Samstag, 22. August 2015 at 04:18, Clay Claiborne via Marxism wrote:

   Bild.de: The truth about Assad's war on Syria

  The BILD tabloid is to newspapers what Faux News is to TV news reporting: 

  BILD (also better called BLÖD-Zeitung) can be relied on falsifying each and 
everything. 

  
 http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2015/08/bildde-truth-about-assads-war-on-syria.html

 *ASSAD is worst than ISIS*

 This is one of those rare times when I see a piece on Syria that I 
 think so important that I reprint it here at Linux Beach. Please visit 
 the original location here 
 http://www.bild.de/storytelling/topics/syrien/chemical-weapons-torture-mass-killings-the-thruth-about-assad-42183052.bild.html#
  
 to view the videos.

   That's the stinking well of foul propaganda where the partisans of the US 
worldwide war drive sip their truths from. 

   Quite telling. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Trotsky’s Istanbul house for sale - LOCAL

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on Sonntag, 2. August 2015 at 01:15, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

 Let's do a Kickstarter on this.

 http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Default.aspx?pageID=238nID=86234NewsCatID=341


  In this piece from Hürriyet the house looks good, but already the images 
accompanying this article by the Guardian 
 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/08/leon-trotsky-turkish-island-hideaway-property-sale
  
show a little more of the reality. 

  I just saw a news item on Al Jazeera (english) with some footage from the 
interior ... showing that the house is a ruin, and a restauration would not be 
enough to save the building, but a complete reconstruction. 

 
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Lüko Willms
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Re: [Marxism] Guardian: Greek crisis: Syriza rebels break away to form Popular Unity party

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on Freitag, 21. August 2015 at 14:15, Shalva Eliava via Marxism wrote:

 It's hard for me to convey in words the level of disappointment,
 frustration, and befuddlement I feel about Tsipras, et al...

  It's time to sober up after months long delirium of broad left electoral 
cretinism. 

  There is no way around mobilizing the working people as self-acting agents of 
their fate, with the perspective ot taking power out of the hands of the ruling 
class and the various burocratic castes supporing the class rule (e.g. the 
officer caste of the military and the clergy of the Orthodox Church). 

  The way forward is not putting pressure on the powers that be to demand them 
to change their minds, but to mobilize our own forces by actually changing the 
world. 

  As I had already written on this mailing list, that one of the first tasks of 
a workers and farmers government would have to use the state power for a 
program of public works putting the 25% unemployed to work for infrastructure 
works which increase the general productivity of the nation. Giving gifts to 
able people sitting at home does not secure the basis for change. 

  It is more important to know and say it loud and open what we are for, than 
to know what we are against. NO and OXI are not the flags to march under. 

 
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Re: [Marxism] Can somebody translate into English a debate which looks likely had occured on Russian TV?

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on Freitag, 14. August 2015 at 21:31, Anthony Brain via Marxism wrote:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zqTCLvayrc

  The only thing I can say on this that its from a series of Documentary 
Films by Vremya, the main evening newscast program by Channel Russia:  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vremya 

  The format of a discussion of a moderator with two experts in the studio 
with phone in from the public lets think that it is at least somewhat 
controversial, maybe even leaning towards defending stalinism. But my Russian 
is by far too weak for discerning what the different people do say. 

  Another publication prompted by the 70th anniversary of the assination of 
Trotsky. There will be more on all media. 


 
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Once more on IT and a return to the drachma | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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on Dienstag, 18. August 2015 at 19:27, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

 has an unrealistic take on the amount of work it would take to modify 
 Greek computer systems to handle a return to the drachma.

  Reading your article leaves me open mouthed unable to understand the problem 
which you seem trying to solve. I can't see one. 

  One would simply declare all bank accounts to be in the New Drachma instead 
of Euro, and that's it. Either 1:1 or at a given exchange rate. 
  
  Just as it happened in the other direction, when the national currencies 
where converted by a given exchange rate (fixed a few years before) to Euro. In 
the German case, the exchange rate was fixed to 1.95583 DEM/EUR. And the 
account was changed from being made out in DEM to made out in EUR. The GDR 
people had two changes in one decade, first from DDR-Mark to DEM, then from DEM 
to EUR. Cash was changed by the banks in the given exchange rate. 

  What the fuck are you fantasizing about? 

  The only problem is to have the neccesary amoung of coins and bills in the 
new currency, and producing that takes time. 


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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Once more on IT and a return to the drachma | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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on Dienstag, 18. August 2015 at 23:07, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

 I have written 3 articles now on IT issues relating to the Grexit.

  which I have not read because first Grexit doesnt interest me, and secondly 
because I can't see any IT issue with that catastrophy for the Greek workers, 
and thirdly because I do not break my head to solve political problems for the 
bourgeoisie. 
 
 It is a bit hard to explain the issues to non-IT people but basically they 
 involve understanding that 
 mainframe systems are written in COBOL, 

  some, and large parts of it, but the banks are working hard to change that. 

 a language that is not easy to modify even when you have defined the 
 requirements. 

  depends on how good or badly written the program is. COBOL has been my 
specialty as application programmer, and I had written a handbook for my 
colleagues at that mainframe computer company on how to write COBOL programs 
compatible to all three operating systems and very different hardware 
architectures. I have made it a rule that no GOTO may be written without the 
corresponding COME FROM. 

 In essence, converting existing banking systems to the drachma is like 
 finding a 
 needle in a haystack. Whenever a program refers to some currency amount
 that is being used as a limit (such as checking to make sure that an 
 account has a certain amount to make it eligible for free checking), you
 have to make sure that it is adjusted for the drachma. 

  For the number cruncher, it is irrelevant if the account is denominated in 
EUR or GRN (for Greek New Drachma). 
  
 The program code might look like this:

if account_total  1000
 perform free_checking_rtn 

  for one, I don't know in how far such primitive payment system as checks are 
still being used in Greece, but I know from news reports that many of the old 
age pensioners do not have bank accounts at all, but rely completely on cash. 

  Here in Germany, payment by check is completely irrelevant. I have not filled 
out a single check form for at least a decade, maybe even more. Most payments, 
if not in cash, are done by direct transfer from account to account, or direct 
debit, or card payments with either direct debit or credit cards. 

 That piece of code assumes that you are talking about 1000 euros but if
 you switch to a drachma, it would have to be modified to reflect a 
 different amount such as 1.

  As said: 

  For the number cruncher, it is irrelevant if the account is denominated in 
EUR or GRN (for Greek New Drachma). 

  And: Greece joined the Euro only in 2001, two years later than the official 
start. The fixed exchange rate was 340.750 GRD (Greek Drachma) for 1 Euro, so 
the financial systems had been capable to deal with not simply one digit more, 
but 2 digits more than in Euro. 

  And please consider that the biggest industry in Greece is shipping, and 
the shippers are accustomed to work in USD anyway, and to convert USD to GRD, 
and USD to EUR. 

  A New Drachma (in my abreviation GRN) would not have to calculate such an odd 
exchange rate, but could start with a 1:1 relation to the Euro, before the GRN 
falls into the abyss of a 100:1 exchange rate of GRN/EUR. These odd exchange 
rates had been necessary because 19 countries had to synchronise their 
currencies to a common one. A country leaving the Eurozone for a solitary 
existence could easily start with a 1:1 conversion, and then let the new 
currency float against EUR, USD, GBP etc. 

  When the Greek bankers and businesses have managed the transistion from GRD 
to EUR by 340.750:1, then they should be able to cope with a 1:1 change from 
EUR to GRN. And especially I can't understand why this which doctor Varofakis 
thinks that the devaluation of the Greek currency needs a new payment system. 

  But, as I said, Grexit is something which I rather want to avoid, and I am 
not interested in preparing it. 
 

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