[Marxism-Thaxis] Obama says US may reach out to Taliban
What should we expect. He even reaches out to Republicans and keeps people like Gates around. He's a reacher! http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism-thaxis/2009-March/date.html http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism-thaxis/2009-March/024185.html CB: Iraq and Afghanistan are not identical in that the 9/11 attackers were based in the latter. Although Bush distorted and exaggerated the response in the response to Afghanistan, that aspect is not a nothing. Obama has expressed a sense that is a basis for paring down Bush's overreaction to that legitimate aspect. Not so simple. The 9/11 perps based on the evidence we have been allowed to see were based in US, Canada and Europe, and out of Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Also, the war on Iraq was sold in part on the idea that nudge nudge wink wink everybody, Saddam Hussein was so evil, he just had to have something to do with that horrible unprecedented huge evil 9/11 against the US, poor victims. More than newly advocating what 'the west' sees as oppressive social practices, the Taliban usually managed to assert power in Afghanistan and Pakistan by acting as 'enforcers' of already entrenched social practices. They didn't invent such a harsh version of sharia. But like many puritanical forms of a a relatively old religion, they are actually a rather new development. In this case 'Deobandi', from India. -- Japan Higher Education Outlook http://japanheo.blogspot.com/ We are Feral Cats http://wearechikineko.blogspot.com/ ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
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CB:If I was Obama , I'd say to the Taliban look bros, obviously, you are some bad motherfuckers because even Alexander couldn't conquer y'all, or was it that Alexander was the only one who conquered y'all. For a second there, I thought you were talking to some rap stars. This is another myth about 'Afghanistan'. The place has been overrun and conquered numerous times by various cultural groups--Persians, Indo-Persians, Turks, Mongols, etc. etc., and was itself a center of power for asserting control over what are now Pakistan and N. India. What isn't possible is controlling S. Pakistan without the Pashtun doing it (interestingly one of the myths the Pashtun hold about themselves is that they are a lost tribe of Israel that found Islam but whose leaders descend from Alexander's generals). It's about the same as the post-British Empire Muslim Indians trying to control the so-called 'frontiers' of Pakistan without the cooperation of Pashtun and Baluchis, except in the case of Afghanistan the Pashtun form the single largest minority. However, these areas of Pakistan are only 'frontier' in the sense of them being adjacent the borders. Historically speaking they are the center of political control in Afghanistan and what is now Pakistan. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Obama says US may reach out to Taliban
What isn't possible is controlling S. Pakistan without the Pashtun doing it (interestingly one of the myths the Pashtun hold about themselves is that they are a lost tribe of Israel that found Islam but whose leaders descend from Alexander's generals). OOPS. I meant S. Afghanistan! ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Obama says US may reach out to Taliban
you can't disrespect females like you are. You dig ? You are dumber than apes when it come to the girls. So why not drop the extraordinary anti-women total bullshit and peace out ? (means) = The problem with Afghanistan is the Women Factor and the treatment of women by one of the political factions in the country. ^ there is a profound issue of principle here concerning the status of women,and the principle is not Western decadence. Comment How does the Obama administration seeking a new alliance - to reform its relationship with the Taliban, change the status of women in Afghanistan? When their status is the direct expression of the rule of the Taliban? The name of this thread is Obama says US may reach out to Taliban - a political faction. The issue of this thread is the Taliban rather than the status of women in Afghanistan. If you were Obama, which you are not, you still could not do much about the status of women in Afghanistan because their status is governed by the Taliban and the Taliban as a political faction - institution, is the result of American policy shifts and supported by our bourgeoisie. Here is the problem: the crux missile liberals scream bloody murder about the treatment of women in Afghanistan and Iraq as the ideological reason for invasion of these countries by our government. Surely all communists understand this. Inasmuch as you have not written anything even remotely suggesting closing US basis in Afghanistan and withdrawing US military forces, I am assuming you support current American policy as Obama, in Afghanistan. Do you? On the contrary the issue of the status of women in Afghanistan - right now today, is in fact a question of Western decadence and the direct result of first the British Indian Empire in contest and conflict with the old Russian Empire and currently American imperial policy. How can this not be obvious? Are you not aware that the people who financially and militarily helped the Taliban into power live in our country and have government positions and was carrying out American imperialist policy? Perhaps, there is a misunderstanding of what drives American foreign policy, wherein one moment policy supports the Taliban, then overthrow the Taliban government, through invasion and now seeks realignment with the Taliban. Perhaps there is a need to more thoughtfully think out this penning away over the status of women in Afghanistan as the sharpest ideological hypocrisy of the bourgeoisie. What seems to be wrong is mistaking the Taliban for Afghanistan. CB: Iraq and Afghanistan are not identical in that the 9/11 attackers were based in the latter. Although Bush distorted and exaggerated the response in the response to Afghanistan, that aspect is not a nothing. Obama has expressed a sense that is a basis for paring down Bush's overreaction to that legitimate aspect. Reply It is agreed that Iraq and Afghanistan are not identical. The comment above are disturbing. Me think the destruction of Iraq was distorted and exaggerated and invading Afghanistan was nothing less than imperialist intrusion. It would seem you do in fact support the invasion of Afghanistan, but favor a paring down under the Obama administration, as the voice of American communists. And the voice of this Marxist list serv, rather than the voice calling for withdrawal of all American troops and the closing of American military bases - a goal of an important segment of the anti-war movement in our country. Me think that a paring down of US military troops anywhere on earth, is best driven by the voice in our domestic politics as the unconditional demand for the removal of our troops from specific countries. Perhaps I have again misunderstood your meaning . . . again. Obama has expressed a sense that is a basis for paring down Bush's overreaction to that legitimate aspect. Is that legitimate aspect the invasion of Afghanistan? Trying to view the world through Obama eyes, rather than communist morality and vision is fraught with danger and in the end drives one into the camp of the imperialist bourgeoisie. Tragic. WL. **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Obama says US may reach out to Taliban
Obama Says US May Reach Out to Taliban http://news.aol.com/article/obama-afghanistan-taliban/373693 CB:If I was Obama , I'd say to the Taliban look bros, obviously, you are some bad motherfuckers because even Alexander couldn't conquer y'all, or was it that Alexander was the only one who conquered y'all. Whatever. But look , don't you realize that chimpanzees have more sense than you do in that they know that you can't disrespect females like you are. You dig ? You are dumber than apes when it come to the girls. So why not drop the extraordinary anti-women total bullshit and peace out ? Comment If I was Obama . . . . because even Alexander couldn't conquer y'all, or was it that Alexander was the only one who conquered y'all. Whatever. (means) = Since American imperialism and the militarized state cannot conquer the people of Afghanistan, the state department wants a policy shift to begin negotiations with the fascist cleric the intelligence agencies of the US installed decades ago. you can't disrespect females like you are. You dig ? You are dumber than apes when it come to the girls. So why not drop the extraordinary anti-women total bullshit and peace out ? (means) = The problem with Afghanistan is the Women Factor and the treatment of women by one of the political factions in the country. What is wrong with such analysis, is the failure to take into account and ascend to the level of the domestic peace movement, which demands the withdrawal of the American military machine from Iraq and Afghanistan. * CB: Yes they can. A communist polarity is premature and sectarian right now. We need a popular front, all peoples front. Reply (http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm) A communist polarity was defined as uniting anyone and everyone around an economic program of survival. This program - platform, can be summed up as the only way to provide people socially necessary means of life, who have little or no money, is for the government to provide them these things. This platform is the peoples program and the people are wage earners or proletarians. How and why is it premature to fight for what people are already fighting for? People are being evicted and walking away from high mortgages and homelessness is growing. Fighting for shelter is not premature. Advocacy for expansion of section 8 and food stamps for the entire working class is not premature. Advocacy for health care for all Americans are not premature. If I was Obama . . . is probably the worse way possible to approach the practical and theoretical question of the meaning of a Popular Front in America. In fact what is a Popular Front in practice? A Popular Front is a concept of organizations on the left preserving their political independence and working towards a goal. What is the goal of the Popular Front in which you speak? Truly sad . . . such is the result of race theory and seeking unity of the working class on the basis of uniting people around a concept of skin color, rather than economic facts of life. WL. **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Obama says US may reach out to Taliban
Obama Says US May Reach Out to Taliban http://news.aol.com/article/obama-afghanistan-taliban/373693 CB:If I was Obama , I'd say to the Taliban look bros, obviously, you are some bad motherfuckers because even Alexander couldn't conquer y'all, or was it that Alexander was the only one who conquered y'all. Whatever. But look , don't you realize that chimpanzees have more sense than you do in that they know that you can't disrespect females like you are. You dig ? You are dumber than apes when it come to the girls. So why not drop the extraordinary anti-women total bullshit and peace out ? ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
