Re: [meteorite-list] 1000 kg of meteorites from Oman?
At 10:18 PM 5/20/2005, Darren Garrison wrote: 1000 kg? Can that number be right? 1000kg in total I think, not one stone. Dr Salim said the mining law issued by Royal Decree No. 27/2003 had prohibited the practice of all rock and mineral mining and exploratory activities and trading in the same without obtaining permissions from the Directorate-General of Minerals. - ONA So anyone have practice in meteorite hunting at night ? :)) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS
Mark B mentions: Once they approve it I think you can say its official. Hola Mark, A name is official when you are allowed to use it in a Meteoritical Society publication, right? I would suspect the only way the NomCom is going to give advance approval via magic emails, is if you promise you are working on a peer-reviewed paper for publication in a scientific journal especially MAPS, and need an approved name for your rock, and have the don to convince them. I heard through the grapevine, however, that those magic emails were also available to commercial dealers with no publications, one of the amounts of: an additional 5 grams or 5% type specimen contribution, or $500 to the endowment, as long as it isn't the smallest of the three. Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Quinn Canyon, Nevada Question
Servus List, I've a question concerning the Quinn Canyon-iron, the 1st meteorite of Nevada, found 1908. The Catalogue says, that it is possibly part of the Nevada meteor of 1894 (February 1, 22:00hrs). Has anybody closer informations whether this could be true? I recieved a little piece and I'm now thinking, whether it fits in my little collection of strictly observed falls or whether I should make a Nevada collector happy... Here is a picture of the main mass: http://www.geocities.com/bolidechaser/nvpod-archive/03-07-01.htm Looks not so bad, with it's fine regmaglyptes, does it? Thanks Buckleboo of course! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Quinn Canyon, Nevada Question
MarBucklebootin from Munich wrote: I've a question concerning the Quinn Canyon-iron, the 1st meteorite of Nevada, found 1908. The Catalogue says, that it is possibly part of the Nevada meteor of 1894 (February 1, 22:00hrs). Has anybody closer informations whether this could be true? This is consistend with what MetBase 7.1 [(c) J. Koblitz] states: A mass of 1450kg was found 90 miles E of Tonopah; it is possibly part of the Nevada meteor of February 1, 1894 (2200hrs), W.P.Jenney, Am. J. Sci., 1909, 28, p.431, M.H.Hey, Cat. Met., 1966, p.399. Description and analysis, O.C.Farrington, Field Mus. Nat. Hist. Geol. Ser., 1910, 3, (Publ. 145), p.165. Mentioned, F.C.Leonard, Pop. Astron., Northfield, Minnesota, 1944, 52, p.512, Contr. Soc. Res. Meteorites, 3, p.173 (M.A.9-301). Too weathered to be a recent fall, includes Tonopah, V.F.Buchwald, Handbook of Iron Meteorites, Univ. of California, 1975, p.1003, A.L.Graham et al., Cat. Met., 1985, p.295. Classification and analysis, 8.40% Ni, 20.9 ppm Ga, 41.5 ppm Ge, 0.58 ppm Ir, E.R.D.Scott et al., GCA, 1973, 37, p.1957. I recieved a little piece and I'm now thinking, whether it fits in my little collection of strictly observed falls or whether I should make a Nevada collector happy... Well, if strictly is a strong criterion here as opposed to possibly, then I would make a Nevada collector happy. :-) Best from Berlin, Alex __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS
Hello Doug and list, Doug guessed, I would suspect the only way the NomCom is going to give advance approval via magic emails...' I wouldn't say email is magic. People that submit information usually always know if what they submitted is approved or not before publication. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS
Hey Doug, I don't know what grapevine you've been smoking, but I highly doubt that the NomCom would accept bribes to get a meteorite deemed official. Besides, the only way to tell if it's official is by looking at the MetBull; as Jeff G. wrote, If it's not there, it's not an official name, period, no exceptions. He also said the following concerning provisional names: Also, the journals MAPS and GCA have a policy that should prevent publication of scientific reports on these specimens. I would defer to these statements by the then-acting Editor of the Meteoritical Bulletin, and discount what you heard through the grapevine. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola Mark, A name is official when you are allowed to use it in a Meteoritical Society publication, right? I would suspect the only way the NomCom is going to give advance approval via magic emails, is if you promise you are working on a peer-reviewed paper for publication in a scientific journal especially MAPS, and need an approved name for your rock, and have the don to convince them. I heard through the grapevine, however, that those magic emails were also available to commercial dealers with no publications, one of the amounts of: an additional 5 grams or 5% type specimen contribution, or $500 to the endowment, as long as it isn't the smallest of the three. Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fwd: RE: Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Released from Oman
Dear List-Members! As promised I´ve talked with my friend, who was part of the group arrested in Oman. I asked him to write something to seperate the facts from the rumours. Here it is Ingo --- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --- Von: Kasper von Wuthenau [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Released from Oman Datum: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:02:45 + To everybody who is interested in facts on the case in Oman spring 2005: As a member of the captured and accused meteoritehunting team I enclose the relevant passages of the omani final official report. This - and nothing else - are the facts. I dislike any suspicions and rumors lacking any proved background, specially in accusing the official omani- swiss cooperation having supported omani police with information leading to our arrest. Kasper von Wuthenau, Germany (...) Photocopies of some daily newspapers and Internet websites showed there was news about the falling of rare meteorites from Mars in the Wasta Region and that the Director of Mineral Excavation Department at the Ministry of Commerce and Industry has asserted that one of the rocks found is originating from Mars. (...) (...) First: The theft misdemeanour punishable under Article 279 of the Penal Code. Second: The misdemeanour of conducting exploration and excavation operations without licence, punishable under articles (3/2 10/1 21/A) of Law 27 of 2003 on mining. Third: The misdemeanour of using radio communications devices without licence, punishable under articles (9/1 30 54) of law 30 of 2002 on regulation of communications. (...) (...) It is decided: 1. The case is closed for immateriality. 2. The executive authority shall take necessary measures to expatriate the accused and list them as personae non-grata to enter the Sultanates territory. 3. Confiscation by the State of the seized effects. 4. A copy of the decision is to be handed over to those concerned. 21 Rabie Awwal 1426 30 April 2005 _ Die rote Karte für lästige E-Mails. MSN Hotmail mit Junk-Mail-Filter. http://www.msn.de/antispam/prevention/junkmailfilter Jetzt kostenlos anmelden! -- 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail +++ GMX - die erste Adresse für Mail, Message, More +++ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS
Hello, I guess I will clarify a little. If you really want to get technical. A meteorite is not official until the Bulletin goes from provisional to official. For our next batch that won't be until 4-5 months from now. (Its usually Aug. or Sept.) Now lets take the last meteorite me and Jerry have put the ringer, Kansas State University. I was e-mailed on February 3, by Rhrian Jones, who's job is the US part of the meteorites for the NomCom, that The meteorite Kansas State University has been voted on and accepted. So if you want we can add another term accepted, but I think most of us would be willing to say it is official. Or at least that it was no longer provisional. Look over Bob Vernish's articles in Meteorite Times the last couple months. These were about US meteorites that will be, and likely in his article, some that didnt make it into the bulletin. Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Was, AD - A FEW DANDYS, now Coyote Dry Lake Meteorites
Hello (again), I left out the word last on the Bob Vernish article comment. Look over Bob Vernish's articles in Meteorite Times the last couple months. These were about US meteorites that will be, and likely in his article, some that didnt make it into the bulletin I meant, in his LAST article, some that didn't make it into the bulletin. This brings up the question, in accordince with the newer meteorite rules on multiple meteorites getting the same name, why isn't there a Coyote Dry Lake meteorite referring to the original H5 S2 W3 stones in the provisional bulletin? I have a few of these, not for sale, that I imagine I will start using the name Coyote Dry Lake for my own records as that makes more sense then Nevada Puzzle Meteorite 1 and Nevada Puzzle Meteorite 2 as they currently filed in my records as. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS
Mark, Your concern about accepted vs. official has also been addressed by Jeff (am I the only one who saves his posts?). Here is the entire process as he has described it to us; your meteorite seems to have made it to stage 7 or 8 (still subject to revision and not official): 1) A new meteorite is characterized in the laboratory 2) The information is submitted to the Nomenclature Committee, usually to one of the Associate Editors (AEs), but sometimes directly to the Editor. 3) The AE acknowledges receipt of the information and tells you that all is in order. 4) The AE transfers the information to the Editor of the Bulletin. 5) The Editor assembles information on all meteorites sent in by the AEs and sends it to the entire NomCom for a vote. 6) The Editor receives the votes and decides if each meteorite has been approved. The appropriate AE is informed of the decision. 7) The AE tells you either (a) the name is approved or (b) the name did not pass. 8) For approved meteorites, the text or information you submitted is eventually edited for publication. You may get an advance copy of this text, but sometimes not. A provisional Bulletin may appear on the web. All text at this stage is subject to further revision. 9) The Bulletin is submitted to MAPS for publication. At this point, all entries are final and can be quoted directly, without qualification. MARK BOSTICK wrote: Hello, I guess I will clarify a little. If you really want to get technical. A meteorite is not official until the Bulletin goes from provisional to official. For our next batch that won't be until 4-5 months from now. (Its usually Aug. or Sept.) Now lets take the last meteorite me and Jerry have put the ringer, Kansas State University. I was e-mailed on February 3, by Rhrian Jones, who's job is the US part of the meteorites for the NomCom, that The meteorite Kansas State University has been voted on and accepted. So if you want we can add another term accepted, but I think most of us would be willing to say it is official. Or at least that it was no longer provisional. Look over Bob Vernish's articles in Meteorite Times the last couple months. These were about US meteorites that will be, and likely in his article, some that didnt make it into the bulletin. Clear Skies, Mark David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Franconia Iron Impact Crater Pic's
Hello List, Good morning, I just finished uploading some cool pictures to my webshots page. The Franconia irons, (most likely metal fragments from the H chondrite,) occasionally have impact craters on them. I have photographed them at 40X and 100X. There are pictures of a perfectly oriented BB with craters, views of micro flow lines, and 'crater fields' in miniature! See the last photo album on this page; http://community.webshots.com/user/microman108 Have a Meteoritic Day, Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Iron Impact Crater Pic's
Hello Bill, List, That is an excellent example of how these irons came to be. I've seen some individuals with big flat squares of iron sticking out. One of the stones I have is similar to the one you have but not as dramatic, the metal is not peeling off, it's flat on the broken surface and is about 1/4 inch x 1/8 inch and very thin. Regards, Larry -Original Message- From: Bill Southern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, 21 May 2005 07:09:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Iron Impact Crater Pic's Hello Larry and List, I also have quite a few irons from Franconia that show what appear to be impact craters in them. Here is a slice of the Franconia H5 actually showing one on the controversial irons that was in the process of separating from it's chondrite parent. Or at least this is how it looks to an amateur ;) At any rate these are very interesting photos... http://www.nuggetshooter.com/imagesMET/franshediron001.jpg http://www.nuggetshooter.com/imagesMET/franshediron002.jpg Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Franconia Iron Impact Crater Pic's Hello List, Good morning, I just finished uploading some cool pictures to my webshots page. The Franconia irons, (most likely metal fragments from the H chondrite,) occasionally have impact craters on them. I have photographed them at 40X and 100X. There are pictures of a perfectly oriented BB with craters, views of micro flow lines, and 'crater fields' in miniature! See the last photo album on this page; http://community.webshots.com/user/microman108 Have a Meteoritic Day, Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 2656
I just received a NICE little slice of NWA 2656 transitional Lodranite from Nels Oakes (thanks Nels!) and am looking for additional info on it. Does anyone have anything? Thanks in advance, David H. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Iron Impact Crater Pic's
Hi Larry, Bill and list, I have a 12.5 g slice with a Franconia iron on the side. It is about a 1/4 in. long. Hey, if there is anyone interested in buying it, maybe I will have another hupe sale, let me know. Here are some pics, I have not did any sanding on the slice yet. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1263.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1264.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier Hello Larry and List, I also have quite a few irons from Franconia that show what appear to be impact craters in them. Here is a slice of the Franconia H5 actually showing one on the controversial irons that was in the process of separating from it's chondrite parent. Or at least this is how it looks to an amateur ;) At any rate these are very interesting photos... http://www.nuggetshooter.com/imagesMET/franshediron001.jpg http://www.nuggetshooter.com/imagesMET/franshediron002.jpg Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS
Hola David,
Yes, I initially thought you were right, really. Smoking grapevines isn't
my thing so I wouldn't know about its effects; I was joking about the bribe
to science (though I think science can use all the bribes it can get and like
the idea) and what I perceive to be the grey area when a paper is accepted
for publication before it has an official published bulletin name for a
scientifically important meteorite that is handled on a case basis according
to the
author guidlines, which I saw as a reasonable exception. I suppose it is
conceivable that such a hypothetically important meteorite could appear in
print in MAPS before the Bulletin entry is formalized by publication.
However,
the practice of opening the Bulletin in provisional form for public comment
would seem to be more like a wedding when the marrying facilitator has no
objections but still asks if anyone else has any objections, so that is why I
agreed with you, since there is never anything wrong with telling the truth
(The
name is approved provisionally for publication {in MB#}).
Mark, regarding my suspicion, which was more a opinion than a guess, it
certainly would be a magic email to short circuit the entire process and get
an
official name out of an email. That is why I called it a magic email. But it
seems we're now on the same page after messing with David, since you have
acknowledged the difference between the more ambiguously word approved vs
official...
Saludos, Doug
David clobbered me with a good natured personal attack for not recognizing
the gravity of the issue:
Hey Doug,
I don't know what grapevine you've been smoking,
but I highly doubt that the NomCom would accept
bribes to get a meteorite deemed official. Besides,
the only way to tell if it's official is by looking at the
MetBull; as Jeff G. wrote, If it's not there, it's not an
official name, period, no exceptions. He also said
the following concerning provisional names: Also,
the journals MAPS and GCA have a policy that
should prevent publication of scientific reports on
these specimens. I would defer to these statements
by the then-acting Editor of the Meteoritical Bulletin,
and discount what you heard through the grapevine.
Mark retorted on a serious note from his own recent experience with an email:
Hello Doug and list,
Doug guessed, I would suspect the only way the NomCom
is going to give advance approval via magic emails...'
I wouldn't say email is magic. People that submit
information usually always know if what they
submitted is approved or not before publication.
(Doug: Only at the point when the fat lady sings can we deal with the word
official, your word approved is slightly ambiguous, and we three happily
conclude that that ambiguity doesn't usually always usurp the Bulletin)
Doug butted in and attempted a joke that miserably failed since even David
didn't get it:
Hola Mark, A name is official when you are allowed to use it in a
Meteoritical Society publication, right? I would suspect the only way the
NomCom is
going to give advance approval via magic emails, is if you promise you
are
working on a peer-reviewed paper for publication in a scientific journal
especially MAPS, and need an approved name for your rock, and have the don
to
convince them. I heard through the grapevine, however, that those magic
emails were
also available to commercial dealers with no publications, one of the
amounts of: an additional 5 grams or 5% type specimen contribution, or
$500 to the
endowment, as long as it isn't the smallest of the three. Saludos, Doug
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[meteorite-list] 3 Day Meteorite Auctions
I find it a pain in the rear to wait for a 7 day auction to end. I know that sellers want to get plenty of exposure, but, it seems like there are a few initial bids and then the auction goes into a freeze until the last day of the auction. So, we just sit back and wait. The way I look at it auctions that are of shorter duration could possibly double a sellers sales in any time frame.Sure its more work. But, $10k/ month is better than $5k/ right? Just a suggestion to all of the larger ( volume ) dealers . Mike , Hupe , etc. Just a suggestion, Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING
Dear List; For the beginners of photographing meteorites and other rocks, minerals; there are some handy tips to get more response to your photos/adds to sell. 1.) throw away the blurry pictures. With digital photos so easy to delete and take another, why link to blurry pictures? 2.) a view of the overall size of the specimen is critical. a top or above angled view, with good lighting, and a scale such as a ruler, ones' thumb (which also helps with color scale, and trim your nails and wash hands before photographing), or other size defining characteristic is very important. Since Ssex sells cars and everything else, I have thought of getting a model with nicely done nails to hold a specimen for the camera. Close up of the hand only as we still want the focus to be on the rock specimen! 3. ) background area can help or detract from the specimen. I prefer a black soft cloth as a background so the viewer focuses on the specimen, not what is in the back ground. 4.) Get one good clear correctly lit close up of the specimen to show chondrules, visible iron specks, fusion crust...what ever is the best trait to show off in the picture. 5.) So, in the big picture: one good picture of overall size and shape of the specimen with a color and size scale and a darker less interesting back ground.A second picture of close up with good lighting and maybe a hand or scale/ruler to show good size and define colors. One can have more pictures of different angles, filters, etc. and even just one picture can represent a specimen many times. It is critical to delete the blurry pictures, to get some form of scale of the over all shape and size of the specimen. John G. has helped me to understand lighting in that many cameras do better with a partial cloudy day as direct sunlight gives to much light to the subject. Practice using the camera and teach it to be your friend, good pictures will sell items twice as fast as poor quality pictures. Hope this helps the amateur photographer. I am sure that many of you can add to this one. Dave Freeman eBay power seller mjwy IMCA # 3864 Rock Springs, WY __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug butted in and attempted a joke that miserably failed since even David didn't get it: Okay, this is true, but I do usually get your spoofs. I won't be fooled again. Sorry for the personal attack, which I based on my own recollections of the delusions I myself experienced from the Mexican flora. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 3 Day Meteorite Auctions
Dear Bob; Many times I get requests for the buy it now option and I put it in most of my auctions. Trouble is that most buyers want a hot deal and prefer to just bid and wait it out rather than pay a penny too much with the buy it now option. Another large mistake is that one should bid what they feel is the most they are willing to pay and expect that they may not win everything they want if cost is a consideration. There seems to always be someone willing to pay more.If an item doesn't sell with the three day auction, the seller is forced to relist and then the cost vs. profit is changed with a relisting fee. Oddly, and item that doesn't sell the first go round may have a battle of the bidders war on the second listing, go figure. When someone figures it all out they can write a book and sell it to the list. Best Saturday, Dave Freeman mjwy Bob Evans wrote: I find it a pain in the rear to wait for a 7 day auction to end. I know that sellers want to get plenty of exposure, but, it seems like there are a few initial bids and then the auction goes into a freeze until the last day of the auction. So, we just sit back and wait. The way I look at it auctions that are of shorter duration could possibly double a sellers sales in any time frame.Sure its more work. But, $10k/ month is better than $5k/ right? Just a suggestion to all of the larger ( volume ) dealers . Mike , Hupe , etc. Just a suggestion, Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING
Hi Dave and list, One problem I have is the darn flash! I get everything set up just right, take the picture and all I get is a big glare where the flash hit. Of coarse the obvious solution is to turn off the flash, but then the pics are to dark. So, get some other light source, the sun maybe, well then your fighting trying to get the right angles, then I get shadows, and the light shining on the screen so you can't see if your focused or not. I probably take 20 pics to get one or two good ones, then back out to try again. I have actually given up on taking pics of some specimens after 40 or more tries, just can't seem to get it. Any suggestions? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Dear List; For the beginners of photographing meteorites and other rocks, minerals; there are some handy tips to get more response to your photos/adds to sell. 1.) throw away the blurry pictures. With digital photos so easy to delete and take another, why link to blurry pictures? 2.) a view of the overall size of the specimen is critical. a top or above angled view, with good lighting, and a scale such as a ruler, ones' thumb (which also helps with color scale, and trim your nails and wash hands before photographing), or other size defining characteristic is very important. Since Ssex sells cars and everything else, I have thought of getting a model with nicely done nails to hold a specimen for the camera. Close up of the hand only as we still want the focus to be on the rock specimen! 3. ) background area can help or detract from the specimen. I prefer a black soft cloth as a background so the viewer focuses on the specimen, not what is in the back ground. 4.) Get one good clear correctly lit close up of the specimen to show chondrules, visible iron specks, fusion crust...what ever is the best trait to show off in the picture. 5.) So, in the big picture: one good picture of overall size and shape of the specimen with a color and size scale and a darker less interesting back ground.A second picture of close up with good lighting and maybe a hand or scale/ruler to show good size and define colors. One can have more pictures of different angles, filters, etc. and even just one picture can represent a specimen many times. It is critical to delete the blurry pictures, to get some form of scale of the over all shape and size of the specimen. John G. has helped me to understand lighting in that many cameras do better with a partial cloudy day as direct sunlight gives to much light to the subject. Practice using the camera and teach it to be your friend, good pictures will sell items twice as fast as poor quality pictures. Hope this helps the amateur photographer. I am sure that many of you can add to this one. Dave Freeman eBay power seller mjwy IMCA # 3864 Rock Springs, WY -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS
Hello Doug and list, Yes, we appear to be on the same page. Although, as I noted, no one is using Grossmans stage table, which appears to be pretty new and is not posted anywhere on the Met. Soc. Website. Nor has it been sent to its members. Grossman also announced he was stepping down several months ago, although it is obvious he is still involved. (Hi Jeff:^) And I have also purchased and traded for a lot of meteorites. Yet, no one has ever told me a stage number on a meteorite and I have not seen anyone sell a meteorite as an approved name meteorite. We as a group have been using classified meteorite and official meteorite for the most part. But I do agree and like the stage table. I am not sure having the three of us on the same page means. I would also say, when you add a bunch of adjectives to your e-mails and throw in jokes, that it makes it hard to read what you are really saying. Like in your last e-mail you added, which appears to be to me, ...your word approved is slightly ambiguous... If we agree with Jeff's table, then it is Jeff's word, and on the example I gave, (KSU) Rhrian Jones used the word approved first. That was likely one of your jokes, but when you add the adjectives a peson doesn't really know how to take the meaning. Then again slightly ambiguous is almost an oxymoron. On another comment I have seen you make several times publicly, which you have a little here, is towards the line that dealers are not giving with science. That people have problems getting 20 grams or 20%. I have never seen this to be true. Dealers and collectors understand this is a give take relationship and almost all people give more then required. Plus there are not many of us who have not donated meteorites and the like. Some of us have donated quite a lot. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING
Tom- I'd suggest making a light stand. Very simple and cheap- just a couple of gooseneck lamps on either side of a 24 square board. This will let you light your sample from the sides and eliminate problems with glare and reflections. You might want to add a little frame overhead that will let you attach the camera so you don't have to hold it. I've shot hundreds of digital meteorite images at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science with just such a setup. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Hi Dave and list, One problem I have is the darn flash! I get everything set up just right, take the picture and all I get is a big glare where the flash hit. Of coarse the obvious solution is to turn off the flash, but then the pics are to dark. So, get some other light source, the sun maybe, well then your fighting trying to get the right angles, then I get shadows, and the light shining on the screen so you can't see if your focused or not. I probably take 20 pics to get one or two good ones, then back out to try again. I have actually given up on taking pics of some specimens after 40 or more tries, just can't seem to get it. Any suggestions? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS
Hi All, Mark Bostick wrote: Although, as I noted, no one is using Grossman's stage table, which appears to be pretty new and is not posted anywhere on the Met. Soc. Website. Nor has it been sent to its members. Grossman also announced he was stepping down several months ago, although it is obvious he is still involved. (Hi Jeff:^) Jeff informed the List about those steps on March 3, 2005 in order to make it clearer to some List Members who already had different points of view about official names of meteorite, and when it should be considered as official. Those stages do not appear anywhere else as far as I know and I guess they were just described for the first time. Here is the full text of Jeff Grossman's e-mail about one of Matteo's meteorites, kind regards, Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) Jeff Grossman wrote on March 3, 2005: You don't understand what I'm saying. Maybe others also don't fully understand the system either. Let me explain the way it is supposed to work. 1) A new meteorite is characterized in the laboratory 2) The information is submitted to the Nomenclature Committee, usually to one of the Associate Editors (AEs), but sometimes directly to the Editor. 3) The AE acknowledges receipt of the information and tells you that all is in order. 4) The AE transfers the information to the Editor of the Bulletin. 5) The Editor assembles information on all meteorites sent in by the AEs and sends it to the entire NomCom for a vote. 6) The Editor receives the votes and decides if each meteorite has been approved. The appropriate AE is informed of the decision. 7) The AE tells you either (a) the name is approved or (b) the name did not pass. 8) For approved meteorites, the text or information you submitted is eventually edited for publication. You may get an advance copy of this text, but sometimes not. A provisional Bulletin may appear on the web. All text at this stage is subject to further revision. 9) The Bulletin is submitted to MAPS for publication. At this point, all entries are final and can be quoted directly, without qualification. Your meteorites are at step (4). They have not been approved OR sent out for a vote. The AE has simply accepted your submission and sent it to the Editor. Therefore, you cannot say that the text you quote is approved by the NomCom, nor can you say it will appear in the Bulletin. That depends on passing step (7). All you can say is that your text has been submitted to the Bulletin. Jeff - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS Hello Doug and list, Yes, we appear to be on the same page. Although, as I noted, no one is using Grossman's stage table, which appears to be pretty new and is not posted anywhere on the Met. Soc. Website. Nor has it been sent to its members. Grossman also announced he was stepping down several months ago, although it is obvious he is still involved. (Hi Jeff:^) And I have also purchased and traded for a lot of meteorites. Yet, no one has ever told me a stage number on a meteorite and I have not seen anyone sell a meteorite as an approved name meteorite. We as a group have been using classified meteorite and official meteorite for the most part. But I do agree and like the stage table. I am not sure having the three of us on the same page means. I would also say, when you add a bunch of adjectives to your e-mails and throw in jokes, that it makes it hard to read what you are really saying. Like in your last e-mail you added, which appears to be to me, ...your word approved is slightly ambiguous... If we agree with Jeff's table, then it is Jeff's word, and on the example I gave, (KSU) Rhrian Jones used the word approved first. That was likely one of your jokes, but when you add the adjectives a peson doesn't really know how to take the meaning. Then again slightly ambiguous is almost an oxymoron. On another comment I have seen you make several times publicly, which you have a little here, is towards the line that dealers are not giving with science. That people have problems getting 20 grams or 20%. I have never seen this to be true. Dealers and collectors understand this is a give take relationship and almost all people give more then required. Plus there are not many of us who have not donated meteorites and the like. Some of us have donated quite a lot. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] 3 Day Meteorite Auctions
Dave wrote; Trouble is that most buyers want a hot deal and prefer to just bid and wait it out rather than pay a penny too much with the buy it now option. That is true! I have actually had a few auctions that had someone bid on them and not use the buy it now, and when the auction ended, it went for more than the buy it know was in the beginning. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 3 Day Meteorite Auctions Dear Bob; Many times I get requests for the buy it now option and I put it in most of my auctions. Trouble is that most buyers want a hot deal and prefer to just bid and wait it out rather than pay a penny too much with the buy it now option. Another large mistake is that one should bid what they feel is the most they are willing to pay and expect that they may not win everything they want if cost is a consideration. There seems to always be someone willing to pay more.If an item doesn't sell with the three day auction, the seller is forced to relist and then the cost vs. profit is changed with a relisting fee. Oddly, and item that doesn't sell the first go round may have a battle of the bidders war on the second listing, go figure. When someone figures it all out they can write a book and sell it to the list. Best Saturday, Dave Freeman mjwy Bob Evans wrote: I find it a pain in the rear to wait for a 7 day auction to end. I know that sellers want to get plenty of exposure, but, it seems like there are a few initial bids and then the auction goes into a freeze until the last day of the auction. So, we just sit back and wait. The way I look at it auctions that are of shorter duration could possibly double a sellers sales in any time frame.Sure its more work. But, $10k/ month is better than $5k/ right? Just a suggestion to all of the larger ( volume ) dealers . Mike , Hupe , etc. Just a suggestion, Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Pictures 101
Dear Tom, List; Here we go.Get a dark (black felt) non reflective cloth square maybe a couple of feet in diameter...black or dark old wool blanket, worn old sheet, old sweatshirt.Set up your card table or picnic table out of doors where you have plenty of room and light. Get your chair and set it at the table. One end of the table put your cloth back drop. Set a rock on it so the wind doesn't blow it away. On the other end of the table place your yellow ruler, tiny plastic stand or something to set your slice up against. If you have a small tripod for your camera get it out. If you don't have the little $5 walmart tripod, find a 3 square box to use to steady your camera on. Get an old flower pot to put under the back side of the drop cloth so you have a back drop wall to shoot against. ** If you are photographing other than meteorites, also get a dry wipe cloth and a bowl of water as showing agates wet and dry is a good idea to show colors wet, and fractures when dry.*** Best light is indirect sunlight that comes from a high thin cloud cover. Second best is a white sheet propped up over your table so the direct sun is slightly filtered-thinned out some. Direct sunlight is ok if the sun is at a lower angle as around 5 pm (but watch for a yellow cast that is bad). Inspect your specimen and evaluate for the best angle and direction to show overall shape. Set your slice of ...mmm...oh what the heck, set your franconia on the plastic stand, or prop it up against the black cloth that is held up by hidden flower pot. Be ware of the the shadow caused by the camera and adjust to the side where there is no shadow on the specimen. Get your ruler or scale right up next to the specimen. A classic coin will work and is usually handy. I like turn of the century coins for that classic interest. Remember to get one picture of your thumb holding the specimen in at least one picture if it is important. Use the steady of the tripod or small box to be sure there is no camera movement when the camera goes off. These tips will help you get much better pictures with out even fussing with the zillion settings on your camera. On to the camera. Natural light is best. One can get insomnia trying to figure out what to do with light bulbs of different types. That is for the advanced among us which does not include me. Lumens are a type of vegetable if you ask me. I set my nikon on close up and on cloudy setting (or sunny if it is bright out, experiment here). There is a light adjustment to over expose a click or under expose a click (or a total of five if I wish to go that far.) I prefer never to use flash on my close ups as it is very unpredictable at best and worst is an over flash white out. No flash. Always be sure of looking though the LED monitor if you have one as the tiny plastic view finder will not properly show you what the lens sees at less than 2 feet. Center the specimen as close as you can to get the most of your specimen (and thumb or scale) in the picture. Most cameras will focus in the 2-4 range now days. Center specimen, scale in picture check, no shadow on specimen or scale check, light is right and the LED monitor view looks nice check, steady camera on the support box or tripod check, click the shutter button gently check.View the picture and shoot about 20 more from different angles and vary space an inch or more in and out. Go to computer and load in the pictures to desktop. View all pictures and delete any with blur, any with shadows gone, non attractive angles also go. You should have 2 or maybe a lucky 5 pictures to choose from if you have followed the suggested steps. Over all composition, angle of pictures of the specimen, and the lightingwow, pick one or two and they should be a great deal more attractive and representative of the great specimen you are attempting to capture. As with all things in life, read the camera directions when totally confused on the settings. And, take plenty of pictures. With digitalis being able to click click click ...do just that. Practice make perfect. Now spring is here, practice your macro skills on flower blossoms and you will be amazed at the cameras skill IF you watch your skill with the camera. Hope this helps the amateur. Please add to this if I have not discovered some other tricks. Dave F. Tom Knudson wrote: Hi Dave and list, One problem I have is the darn flash! I get everything set up just right, take the picture and all I get is a big glare where the flash hit. Of coarse the obvious solution is to turn off the flash, but then the pics are to dark. So, get some other light source, the sun maybe, well then your fighting trying to get the right angles, then I get shadows, and the light shining on the screen so you can't see if your focused or not. I probably take 20 pics to get one or two good ones, then back out to try again. I have
[meteorite-list] sanding vs. not sanding?
Hi List, a few list members have told me they like their meteorite slices left unsanded. I have noticed on some meteorites that you can see a lot more detail on an unsanded surface. Is value affected if you sand or not? What about saw marks, I don't like them, but I don't want to sand them off and lose the detail.? Here is a great example from the same meteorite! What do you think? Sanded http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1126.jpg not sanded; http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN1125.jpg Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list]Seeking Jerry Armstrong
Greetings, Is anyone on the list aware of what has become of Jerry Armstrong, the famous painter of solar system events and resident of Winston, GA? I have tried to reach him via phone and email for several weeks now with no success and am growing concerned. I thought he might be on a trip, but he would have returned by now. Does anyone know any more than I do about his whereabouts? RSVP Thanks, Michael -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Classification of NWA 1877?
Hi, all! Can anyone give me the classification for NWA 1877? It was found too late to be included in both Grady's Catalogue (5th ed.) online Catalogue, as well as A to Z (2nd ed.). Thanks! Ken Saichek __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Classification of NWA 1877?
Wow, that was fast! Thanks, John! Thanks as well for the link to the Met. Bulletin database, for which I've searched in vain. Best, Ken Saichek -Original Message- From: Arizona Skies Meteorites [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Classification of NWA 1877? Hi Ken...It was classified as an olivine-rich diogenite. You can read more about it here: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=17510 Cheers -John --- KENNETH I. SAICHEK, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all! Can anyone give me the classification for NWA 1877? It was found too late to be included in both Grady's Catalogue (5th ed.) online Catalogue, as well as A to Z (2nd ed.). Thanks! Ken Saichek __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING
I have thought of getting a model with nicely done nails I remember Rob Elliott made a meteorite calendar but the model there hadn't only nails... - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Dear List; For the beginners of photographing meteorites and other rocks, minerals; there are some handy tips to get more response to your photos/adds to sell. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING
Excellent Advice Dave! Jerry - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Dear List; For the beginners of photographing meteorites and other rocks, minerals; there are some handy tips to get more response to your photos/adds to sell. 1.) throw away the blurry pictures. With digital photos so easy to delete and take another, why link to blurry pictures? 2.) a view of the overall size of the specimen is critical. a top or above angled view, with good lighting, and a scale such as a ruler, ones' thumb (which also helps with color scale, and trim your nails and wash hands before photographing), or other size defining characteristic is very important. Since Ssex sells cars and everything else, I have thought of getting a model with nicely done nails to hold a specimen for the camera. Close up of the hand only as we still want the focus to be on the rock specimen! 3. ) background area can help or detract from the specimen. I prefer a black soft cloth as a background so the viewer focuses on the specimen, not what is in the back ground. 4.) Get one good clear correctly lit close up of the specimen to show chondrules, visible iron specks, fusion crust...what ever is the best trait to show off in the picture. 5.) So, in the big picture: one good picture of overall size and shape of the specimen with a color and size scale and a darker less interesting back ground.A second picture of close up with good lighting and maybe a hand or scale/ruler to show good size and define colors. One can have more pictures of different angles, filters, etc. and even just one picture can represent a specimen many times. It is critical to delete the blurry pictures, to get some form of scale of the over all shape and size of the specimen. John G. has helped me to understand lighting in that many cameras do better with a partial cloudy day as direct sunlight gives to much light to the subject. Practice using the camera and teach it to be your friend, good pictures will sell items twice as fast as poor quality pictures. Hope this helps the amateur photographer. I am sure that many of you can add to this one. Dave Freeman eBay power seller mjwy IMCA # 3864 Rock Springs, WY __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING
Super idea Chris, with a backdrop as described by Dave F. and the delete button operable, you're 9/10 of the way to excellent photos. Jerry[I even received a compliment from Bob Haag on a meteorite-wrong photo I shared with him!] - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Tom- I'd suggest making a light stand. Very simple and cheap- just a couple of gooseneck lamps on either side of a 24 square board. This will let you light your sample from the sides and eliminate problems with glare and reflections. You might want to add a little frame overhead that will let you attach the camera so you don't have to hold it. I've shot hundreds of digital meteorite images at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science with just such a setup. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Hi Dave and list, One problem I have is the darn flash! I get everything set up just right, take the picture and all I get is a big glare where the flash hit. Of coarse the obvious solution is to turn off the flash, but then the pics are to dark. So, get some other light source, the sun maybe, well then your fighting trying to get the right angles, then I get shadows, and the light shining on the screen so you can't see if your focused or not. I probably take 20 pics to get one or two good ones, then back out to try again. I have actually given up on taking pics of some specimens after 40 or more tries, just can't seem to get it. Any suggestions? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 3 Day Meteorite Auctions
GO FIGURE!!! Jerry - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 3 Day Meteorite Auctions Dave wrote; Trouble is that most buyers want a hot deal and prefer to just bid and wait it out rather than pay a penny too much with the buy it now option. That is true! I have actually had a few auctions that had someone bid on them and not use the buy it now, and when the auction ended, it went for more than the buy it know was in the beginning. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 3 Day Meteorite Auctions Dear Bob; Many times I get requests for the buy it now option and I put it in most of my auctions. Trouble is that most buyers want a hot deal and prefer to just bid and wait it out rather than pay a penny too much with the buy it now option. Another large mistake is that one should bid what they feel is the most they are willing to pay and expect that they may not win everything they want if cost is a consideration. There seems to always be someone willing to pay more.If an item doesn't sell with the three day auction, the seller is forced to relist and then the cost vs. profit is changed with a relisting fee. Oddly, and item that doesn't sell the first go round may have a battle of the bidders war on the second listing, go figure. When someone figures it all out they can write a book and sell it to the list. Best Saturday, Dave Freeman mjwy Bob Evans wrote: I find it a pain in the rear to wait for a 7 day auction to end. I know that sellers want to get plenty of exposure, but, it seems like there are a few initial bids and then the auction goes into a freeze until the last day of the auction. So, we just sit back and wait. The way I look at it auctions that are of shorter duration could possibly double a sellers sales in any time frame.Sure its more work. But, $10k/ month is better than $5k/ right? Just a suggestion to all of the larger ( volume ) dealers . Mike , Hupe , etc. Just a suggestion, Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Pictures 101
This one gets printed and saved for reference! - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 2:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Pictures 101 Dear Tom, List; Here we go.Get a dark (black felt) non reflective cloth square maybe a couple of feet in diameter...black or dark old wool blanket, worn old sheet, old sweatshirt.Set up your card table or picnic table out of doors where you have plenty of room and light. Get your chair and set it at the table. One end of the table put your cloth back drop. Set a rock on it so the wind doesn't blow it away. On the other end of the table place your yellow ruler, tiny plastic stand or something to set your slice up against. If you have a small tripod for your camera get it out. If you don't have the little $5 walmart tripod, find a 3 square box to use to steady your camera on. Get an old flower pot to put under the back side of the drop cloth so you have a back drop wall to shoot against. ** If you are photographing other than meteorites, also get a dry wipe cloth and a bowl of water as showing agates wet and dry is a good idea to show colors wet, and fractures when dry.*** Best light is indirect sunlight that comes from a high thin cloud cover. Second best is a white sheet propped up over your table so the direct sun is slightly filtered-thinned out some. Direct sunlight is ok if the sun is at a lower angle as around 5 pm (but watch for a yellow cast that is bad). Inspect your specimen and evaluate for the best angle and direction to show overall shape. Set your slice of ...mmm...oh what the heck, set your franconia on the plastic stand, or prop it up against the black cloth that is held up by hidden flower pot. Be ware of the the shadow caused by the camera and adjust to the side where there is no shadow on the specimen. Get your ruler or scale right up next to the specimen. A classic coin will work and is usually handy. I like turn of the century coins for that classic interest. Remember to get one picture of your thumb holding the specimen in at least one picture if it is important. Use the steady of the tripod or small box to be sure there is no camera movement when the camera goes off. These tips will help you get much better pictures with out even fussing with the zillion settings on your camera. On to the camera. Natural light is best. One can get insomnia trying to figure out what to do with light bulbs of different types. That is for the advanced among us which does not include me. Lumens are a type of vegetable if you ask me. I set my nikon on close up and on cloudy setting (or sunny if it is bright out, experiment here). There is a light adjustment to over expose a click or under expose a click (or a total of five if I wish to go that far.) I prefer never to use flash on my close ups as it is very unpredictable at best and worst is an over flash white out. No flash. Always be sure of looking though the LED monitor if you have one as the tiny plastic view finder will not properly show you what the lens sees at less than 2 feet. Center the specimen as close as you can to get the most of your specimen (and thumb or scale) in the picture. Most cameras will focus in the 2-4 range now days. Center specimen, scale in picture check, no shadow on specimen or scale check, light is right and the LED monitor view looks nice check, steady camera on the support box or tripod check, click the shutter button gently check.View the picture and shoot about 20 more from different angles and vary space an inch or more in and out. Go to computer and load in the pictures to desktop. View all pictures and delete any with blur, any with shadows gone, non attractive angles also go. You should have 2 or maybe a lucky 5 pictures to choose from if you have followed the suggested steps. Over all composition, angle of pictures of the specimen, and the lightingwow, pick one or two and they should be a great deal more attractive and representative of the great specimen you are attempting to capture.As with all things in life, read the camera directions when totally confused on the settings. And, take plenty of pictures. With digitalis being able to click click click ...do just that. Practice make perfect. Now spring is here, practice your macro skills on flower blossoms and you will be amazed at the cameras skill IF you watch your skill with the camera. Hope this helps the amateur. Please add to this if I have not discovered some other tricks. Dave F. Tom Knudson wrote: Hi Dave and list, One problem I have is the darn flash! I get everything set up just right, take the picture and all I get is a big glare where the flash hit. Of coarse the obvious solution is to turn off the flash, but then the pics are
Re: [meteorite-list] 3 Day eBay Auctions
Hi, Selling, not meteorites but guitars, on eBay, I find that three day eBay auctions in general are losers. Far fewer people view them (says my counter). The items bring lower prices, and frequently fail to meet the reserve. I have had to list things over, which almost never happens with 7-day auctions. Of course, perhaps guitars are too different from meteorites for comparisons, but I think sales are sales, whatever the item. Moreover, the prime time to sell anything on eBay is Sunday afternoon and evening, with more bidders and higher final prices. This because there are more people at home and able to get to their computers on Sunday afternoon and evening, between two pm and eight pm, than at any other time in the week. Saturday is second best to Sunday, and on a weekday, the seven pm to nine pm time slot is most active. Of course, one must allow for a few hours variance in the time zone of US buyers, and the point about European buyers is well taken. The bidding delay in longer auctions is because of the prevalence of sniping, of course, but sniping is a big part of the eBay sport! With an atomic clock for reference, I can usually manage to hit the 2 to 5 second-before-auction-close slot reliably. That quiet time is all the snipers hunkered down in the grass around the waterhole, waiting to pounce on the thirsty warthog. I have seen items that sit with NO bids for seven days get hit with 5 or more bids in that last 30 seconds. I would never bid on an unbid item I intend to snipe on, because that would alert other snipers (who all foolishly hope to be the only sniper) that there are other snipers in the grass with them, which would encourage them to snipe higher. The point of sniping is to prevent another bidder from responding to your bid. Some snipers are not determined to have the item at any cost, but only hope for a bargain -- they snipe at just above the last bid. The snipers who are determined to have the item at any cost will snipe at two or three times the last bid but hope they don't have to go that high! The last thing you want is to bid and have someone answer your bid and have to bid higher, and so on... It is not uncommon at live auctions to watch two fools contending with each other drive the price of some trivial item to the skies as they glare at each other and bid and outbid... It's not pretty. Buying, like all economic activities, is an art form. Sterling K. Webb -- Dave Schultz wrote: Sorry Bob. I usually run my auctions for 7 days, from Sat. to Sat. or Sun. to Sun. on the reasoning that it is hard for me to sometimes start them during the week due to working schedules. I also like to run them then, because it gives our European collector friends a better chance at bidding on something during a better time frame. I also try to list them in the afternoon here, so that they are still able to bid at a reasonable hour over there, and not just place a bid before going to sleep, hoping that they have a winning bid! Dave I find it a pain in the rear to wait for a 7 day auction to end. I know that sellers want to get plenty of exposure, but, it seems like there are a few initial bids and then the auction goes into a freeze until the last day of the auction. So, we just sit back and wait. The way I look at it auctions that are of shorter duration could possibly double a sellers sales in any time frame.Sure its more work. But, $10k/ month is better than $5k/ right? Just a suggestion to all of the larger ( volume ) dealers . Mike , Hupe , etc. Just a suggestion, Bob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Check out these chondrules
Have a look at these nice chondrules: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6534410818rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 Thanks, Bob Evans __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Pictures 101
Thanks Ann, Into this mental grist mill it goes and Thanks Tom and Dave for starting this thread. Jerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: THE ART OF PHOTOGRAPHING Pictures 101 In a message dated 5/21/2005 12:40:37 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here we go.Get a dark (black felt) non reflective cloth square maybe a couple of feet in diameter...black or dark old wool blanket, worn old sheet, old sweatshirt.Set up your card table or picnic table out of doors where you have plenty of room and light. Get your chair and set it at the table. One end of the table put your cloth back drop. Set a rock on it so the wind doesn't blow it away. On the other end of the table place your yellow ruler, tiny plastic stand or something to set snip A couple comments. I take all my pictures inside, on a corner of my desk, with a flash balanced by a couple desk lamps. Waiting for the weather to be just right is too time-consuming and unreliable. And I never use a black background, it just drowns out the specimens. I found some file folders in a very soft, neutral shade of gray and I find that it does not distort the color of whatever pieces you put on it, being a green Tatahouine, a very dark Kainsaz or a yellow Libyan glass. Then I down-load the pictures in Macromedia-Fireworks where I can trim the picture, adjust the size and resolution, without touching the color balance. I want my pictures to give a true image of the specimens, not improve them. And I do use a Nikon CoolPix 950. Older, but reliable. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: Asteroidal and Lunar Materials
Hi, A while back there was a mini-thread about the cost of returning lunar materials to Earth and the effect of economies of scale on that cost. These cost concerns are similar to a much more analyzed topic: returning asteroidal materials to Earth. See John Lewis' book Mining The Sky. Even so, to date these discussions have been about materials that could be obtained on Earth (except for Helium-3). The chief point to remember about economies is that they change when the material commodity is both required and can not be obtained elsewhere. Here's an example: Imagine you want to build a bridge out of iron across a 100 foot chasm. The simplest way is to take a 100 foot long slab of iron (or steel), twenty feet wide and 10 feet thick, and flop it down. Inelegant, but a solution. More elegant is to take a very thin slab of iron and attach a variety of iron trusses underneath it, designed to support the stresses of the bridge. You use much less iron and get a bridge just as strong or stronger. A more elegant solution. Even more elegant is build the above example of a bridge very lightly indeed and support it with iron cables from towers. Now we're up to Golden Gate elegant, less material, more strength, all gotten by subdividing the structural shape into smaller and smaller internally braced voids. In older aircraft and race car design, we can see engineers drilling rows of big holes in beams and such like to create a more favorable strength/weight ratio. You engineers out there know all about this, of course. The next logical step would be to carry the principle down to the micro scale, where what appear to be solid structural members are themselves smaller and smaller internally braced voids. But both micro- and nano- fabrication is too fantastically expensive to contemplate. Hey, where do the asteroids (and the Moon) come into this?! Here it is. You've got all this iron (or natural stainless steel) in free orbit, zero gee, or at least, micro-gee. Melt it in a cylindrical electric induction furnace and eject it through a special nozzle at one end. (The furnace is electric because the sunshine is free and in constant supply.) The exit nozzle's walls have a multitude of injectors that inject a whoppingly large number of bubbles of nitrogen gas into the molten steel as it emerges. The injector banks are computer controlled for rate, pressure, pulsation pattern, and so forth. As the molten asteroidal steel foam exits the furnace into vacuum, it expands from the internal expansion of the nitrogen bubbles that have been injected into it. The desired goal is to regulate the process so that the final product contains a very large number of small voids which butt up to each other forming regular and irregular polyhedra with thin steel walls separating them. The result is a material with a density about 1/3rd that of water, twenty times lighter than a piece of steel the same size and shape, a structural strength greater than the best aircraft grade aluminum, and a strength / weight ratio that is an engineer's dream! Because it's fabricated in zero-gee, it can be produced in virtually any shape without distortion and made in gigantic sizes limited only by the capacity of the furnace producing it. (You want an I-beam how many miles long?) If any of you out there are engineers, your mouths should be already watering. If not, you're no engineer, at least not one in the mold of Isabard Kingdom Brunel. Do you want to build a bridge across the 29-mile Straight of Gibraltar? No problem. Do you want to build a skyscraper five miles high? No problem. Do you want to build a Tokyo-sized city that will float on the sea? No problem. Do you want to build a...? You get the idea. From fabrication in zero-gee, the huge pieces of Foam Steel will be spun sprayed with an ablative polymer and gently de-orbited into the central Pacific Ocean, after which they will be recovered, transported to the work site, cleaned of polymer, and put in use. Why the Pacific? Well, you know, there are always these silly folks who get unreasonably nervous about mile long pieces of steel falling out of the sky too near them; it's just good public relations to use the middle of the Pacific. Remember, Foam Steel will float! In fact, the density of Foam Steel could be only about twice that of Balsa wood! Foam Steel will float only 1/3rd submerged. No problem. Hello, Hawaii! The First Iron Age is over. The Second Iron Age is about to begin. Here is the miracle material of which the future will be built, and it must come from space because that is the only place where it can be made, so the raw material is most economically obtained from asteroids (or the Moon). It would make no economic sense to boost Earth steel into orbit to be re-fabricated as Foam Steel! It is conceivable that the demand for Foam Steel could become so great that one might foresee
[meteorite-list] 3,700 (1.46 tons of) meteorites from Oman
In 1000 kg of meteorites from Oman?, at: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2005-May/174081.html , Darren Garrison wrote: 1000 kg? Can that number be right? http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=15610pn=local 1,000kg of meteoric rocks collected from Dhofar and Wusta regions MUSCAT The geological activities carried out by the Directorate-General of Minerals at the Commerce and Industry Ministry to preserve meteorites have resulted in collecting 1,000kg of meteoric rocks in Dhofar governorate and the Wusta region. Go look at the below article, which I noted in: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2005-May/173997.html Omans lunar meteorite sparks exciting cosmic secrets By Conrad Prabhu, 17th August 2004, Oman Observer http://www.newsbriefsoman.info/features/lunar_meteorite.htm In this article, it stated: SaU 169 was one of an estimated 3,700 meteorites discovered during a series of joint field search campaigns undertaken between January 2001 and January 2003, says the Omani geologist. We invested a total of 339 man-days in the search, which yielded some 1,334 kg of meteorites, which may have come from an original 150-200 individual falls. Meteorites commonly break up in the atmosphere into many smaller fragments. According to this article, they collected 1,334 kg (2935 pounds, 1.46 tons) of meteorites. Go see Kilogram Pound Conversion Engine at: http://www.escapeartist.com/Conversions/Kilograms_Pounds.html Yours, Paul Baton Rouge, LA __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
