Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented vs Orientated

2016-05-09 Thread Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list
Rob, 

You bet "desalinization" would 
become one [a word], but the 
world has beaten you to it:

desalinization. (n.d.). The 
American HeritageR New 
Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, 
Third Edition. Retrieved May 09, 
2016 from Dictionary.com: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/desalinization

It's probably too late to stamp
it out...

Sterling
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A related faux pas: desalinization. No such word, but I bet it will become
one so as not to embarrass the media members who like to use it. ;-). --Rob

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My other favorite word that gets used by non-geologists: metamorphosized .
(Do you Brits use that one, by chance?)  I think it fits the rhythym better
in some songs and poems.

Cheers, Pete


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It certainly got everyone thinking ;-)


If you would like? for the sake of keeping the peace and despite the fact us
Brits widely use orientated I will use oriented.

Just to let you know in advance I use some really bizarre words and if it's
in the English dictionary (UK version) I will use it!

I won't shun you for your choice of words so please don't shun me :-) we are
all different.

Best wishes from across the pond

Xxx




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Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented vs Orientated

2016-05-09 Thread Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list
A related faux pas: desalinization. No such word, but I bet it will become one 
so as not to embarrass the media members who like to use it. ;-). --Rob

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My other favorite word that gets used by non-geologists: metamorphosized .  (Do 
you Brits use that one, by chance?)  I think it fits the rhythym better in some 
songs and poems.

Cheers, Pete


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It certainly got everyone thinking ;-)


If you would like? for the sake of keeping the peace and despite the fact us 
Brits widely use orientated I will use oriented.

Just to let you know in advance I use some really bizarre words and if it's in 
the English dictionary (UK version) I will use it!

I won't shun you for your choice of words so please don't shun me :-) we are 
all different.

Best wishes from across the pond

Xxx




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Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented vs Orientated

2016-05-09 Thread Pete Modreski via Meteorite-list
My other favorite word that gets used by non-geologists: metamorphosized .  (Do 
you Brits use that one, by chance?)  I think it fits the rhythym better in some 
songs and poems.


Cheers, Pete



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It certainly got everyone thinking ;-) 




If you would like? for the sake of keeping the peace and despite the fact us 
Brits widely use orientated I will use oriented.


Just to let you know in advance I use some really bizarre words and if it's in 
the English dictionary (UK version) I will use it! 


I won't shun you for your choice of words so please don't shun me :-) we are 
all different. 


Best wishes from across the pond 


Xxx







 


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[meteorite-list] Oriented vs Orientated

2016-05-09 Thread howardites via Meteorite-list
It certainly got everyone thinking ;-) 


If you would like? for the sake of keeping the peace and despite the fact us 
Brits widely use orientated I will use oriented.

Just to let you know in advance I use some really bizarre words and if it's in 
the English dictionary (UK version) I will use it! 

I won't shun you for your choice of words so please don't shun me :-) we are 
all different. 

Best wishes from across the pond 

Xxx



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[meteorite-list] Oriented vs. Orientated

2016-05-09 Thread howardites via Meteorite-list
There's no difference both words have the same meaning. 

In the USA you use oriented and in the UK orientated is widely used. 

It's just one of those words.

Some examples of different usage would be.

Boot (UK) and Trunk (USA) 
Rubbish (UK) Garbage (USA)
Trousers (UK) Pants (USA) 

I can give you a huge list of words like these but this is not an English 
lesson :-)

But I wouldn't consider anyone from a different country as being educationally 
impoverished if they used either or.

Best wishes 




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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-12 Thread batkol
i looked up the definitions of both words and oriented seems just a hair 
more appropriate than orientated for meteorites.  just an ex-english 
teacher's two cents.  take care   susan



   1.. Orient The countries of Asia, especially of eastern Asia.
   2..
 1.. The luster characteristic of a pearl of high quality.
 2.. A pearl having exceptional luster.
   3.. Archaic. The place on the horizon where the sun rises; the east.

 adj.
   1.. Having exceptional luster: orient gemstones.
   2.. Archaic. Eastern; oriental.
   3.. Archaic. Rising in the sky; ascending.

 v. or·i·ent·ed, or·i·ent·ing, or·i·ents (ôr-nt, r-)
 v. tr.
   1.. To locate or place in a particular relation to the points of the 
compass: orient the swimming pool north and south.

   2..
 1.. To locate or position so as to face the east.
 2.. To build (a church) with the nave laid out in an east-west 
direction and the main altar usually at the eastern end.
   3.. To align or position with respect to a point or system of 
reference: oriented the telescope toward the moon; oriented her interests 
toward health care.

   4.. To determine the bearings of.
   5.. To make familiar with or adjusted to facts, principles, or a 
situation.
   6.. To focus (the content of a story or film, for example) toward 
the concerns and interests of a specific group.


 v. intr.
   1.. To turn toward the east.
   2.. To become adjusted or aligned.


--
 [Middle English, from Old French, from Latin orins, orient-, rising 
sun, east, from present participle of orr, to arise, be born. See er-1 in 
Indo-European Roots.]


[Download Now or Buy the Book]
 Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 
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 Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.


Main Entry: oriented
Function: adjective
: having psychological orientation the patient was alert and oriented


 Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, 
Inc.



oriented

adj : adjusted or located in relation to surroundings or circumstances; 
sometimes used in combination; the house had its large windows oriented 
toward the ocean view; helping freshmen become oriented to college life; 
the book is value-oriented throughout [syn: orientated] [ant: unoriented]






o·ri·en·tate( P )  Pronunciation Key  (ôr-n-tt, -n-, r-)
v. o·ri·en·tat·ed, o·ri·en·tat·ing, o·ri·en·tates
v. tr.
 To orient: He... stood for a moment, orientating himself exactly in the 
light of his knowledge (John le Carré).


v. intr.
 To face or turn to the east.





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11/11/2005 11:07:49 PM Mexico Standard Time, ncaliva escribe:


Hi everyone I'm new but have been watching for a month or so. Which way is
right for meteorites oriented or orientated?

Hola NCALIVA, Welcome to the crowd!

We actually had some posts about this in the past - you can search the
archives to see them accessed from the meteoritecentral.com page, or 
better  yet a

site search on google for the word orientated meteorite.

There was no firm conclusion the way I remember, though there were some
strong opinions that thought orientated was a bastardization of the word
orientation, and that oriented was proper.  Why make words longer than you 
have
too...unless you have a special rational.  So oriented would be the  first 
choice.

At least that was the majority opinion.  Hope that  helps!
Saludos, Doug

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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-12 Thread David Weir

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Why make words longer than you have too...


To funny.
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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-12 Thread Kevin Forbes



My two bob's worth.
Use what is correct in your own nation or culture or the way that you have 
been instructed in
language. The rest of us will understand what may seem confusing on its own 
from the the context
that it is used in. I use colour and not color, I use Aluminium and not 
Aluminum, I use
orientated and not oriented. If you feel uneasy about a word, choose 
another, such as, aligned,
instead. Some would have the entire language become phonetic or SMS'ed. Some 
people are not
native speakers of English but do a lot better at English, than I would in 
their language. As

long as the message gets across and you do the best that you can.
I would probably use the word 'nacre' to describe the lustre of a pearl, 
'orient' is a new one

on me.
See, I am still learning, as, no doubt we all are. I love this list for 
that.

A quote that I proudly invented, I think.
Woe, shall be I the day that I stop learning, for that shall also be the 
day that I die.

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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-12 Thread Neil Caliva
Thanks for all the replies, I think Jonathan Gore post's were the most 
explanatory of why it's a matter of choice.


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[meteorite-list] Oriented vs orientated with regard to meteorites

2005-11-12 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello List,

Originally, orientated was only used to indicate that something inside a 
meteorite
was arranged or aligned in a certain way: a preferred direction in a crystal 
lattice,
in the matrix of a chondrite or in the matrix of an iron meteorite, etc.

Examples:

Borkut (L5) - elliptical chondrules are orientated.

Canyon City (IIIAB) - The individual 50-100 µ wide alpha-grains of the fields 
are differently
orientated, as is evidenced by the various orientations of the 
epsilon-structure in them.

DaG 995 (AEUC) - plagioclase contains small crystallographically orientated 
inclusions
of augite, pigeonite and silica.

A. Fujimura et al. (1983) Preferred orientation of phyllosilicate (001) in 
matrix of Murchison
meteorite and possible mechanisms of generating the orientated texture in 
chondrites
(Earth Plan.Sci.Lett. 66, 25-32).


But over time, especially since the 1980s,  orientated  also came to be used 
to
denote flight-oriented. Examples:


El Carmen (H6) - A single, orientated mass weighing 629 g was found.

Lone Tree (H4) - An orientated, weathered mass of 20.676 kg was ploughed up.

Mount Margaret (L5) - A single, flight orientated stone was found.

Summerfield (L5) - A single orientated stone of 6.2 kg was found.

Waka (H6) - A single, orientated mass weighing 11.875 kg was found.


Cheers,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-11 Thread Neil Caliva
Hi everyone I'm new but have been watching for a month or so. Which way is 
right for meteorites oriented or orientated?


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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-11 Thread MexicoDoug
11/11/2005 11:07:49 PM Mexico Standard Time, ncaliva escribe:


Hi everyone I'm new but have been watching for a month or so. Which way is  
right for meteorites oriented or orientated?
 
Hola NCALIVA, Welcome to the crowd!
 
We actually had some posts about this in the past - you can search the  
archives to see them accessed from the meteoritecentral.com page, or better  
yet a 
site search on google for the word orientated meteorite.
 
There was no firm conclusion the way I remember, though there were some  
strong opinions that thought orientated was a bastardization of the word  
orientation, and that oriented was proper.  Why make words longer than you  
have 
too...unless you have a special rational.  So oriented would be the  first 
choice.  
At least that was the majority opinion.  Hope that  helps!
Saludos, Doug
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-11 Thread Jonathan Gore

Neil Caliva wrote:
Hi everyone I'm new but have been watching for a month or so. Which way 
is right for meteorites oriented or orientated?


We've discussed this before. Either way is fine, it's like color vs colour:

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ori1.htm
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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-11 Thread Norm Lehrman
Neil,

In the USA, it's oriented.  

Cheers,
Norm
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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-11 Thread Thomas Uza
Both are acceptable and interchangeable when referring
to meteorites at least.

Thomas


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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-11 Thread Thomas Uza
There's no right or wrong here. As Norm pointed out,
oriented is the best choice in the states. If I
remember correctly, as Doug pointed out, orientated
was an unacceptable word years ago which has now
gained acceptance. I remember using the word
orientated in high school and being severely
chastised. It was a good while back.

Thomas


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 In the USA, it's oriented.  
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-11 Thread Jonathan Gore

**Oriented is prevalent in technical use**, and in the US.

Source: http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutgrammar/oriented

Thomas Uza wrote:

There's no right or wrong here. As Norm pointed out,
oriented is the best choice in the states. If I
remember correctly, as Doug pointed out, orientated
was an unacceptable word years ago which has now
gained acceptance. I remember using the word
orientated in high school and being severely
chastised. It was a good while back.

Thomas


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Neil,

In the USA, it's oriented.  


Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] oriented vs orientated

2005-11-11 Thread Pete Pete

Fashizzle, mah nizzle!

(Don't get me going about how the news media and Hollywood seem to have a 
mission to make any new grunt become a new word)




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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:44:19 -0800 (PST)

There's no right or wrong here. As Norm pointed out,
oriented is the best choice in the states. If I
remember correctly, as Doug pointed out, orientated
was an unacceptable word years ago which has now
gained acceptance. I remember using the word
orientated in high school and being severely
chastised. It was a good while back.

Thomas


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 Neil,

 In the USA, it's oriented.

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[meteorite-list] Oriented vs orientated

2004-12-06 Thread Robert Woolard
Hello List,

  Thanks for all the replies. I think I may have the
answer. I think it depends on whether or not you are
using the word as an adjective, noun, or verb. See
these examples:

  1. It is an oriented meteorite.
  2. It exhibits orientation.
  3. As it was falling, one side was orientated toward
 the ground.

  So, in most cases that we would see here on the list
or on eBay describing a meteorite with obvious front
and back sides, it seems the correct term would be
oriented, as it would most likely be being used as an
adjective.

  Robert Woolard

  

  




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[meteorite-list] Oriented vs orientated

2004-12-06 Thread bernd . pauli
 Thanks for all the replies. I think I may have the answer.
 I think it depends on whether or not you are using the
 word as an adjective, noun, or verb.

Hello Robert and List,

Here are some further examples from my databases:

1) Borkut: Elliptical chondrules are orientated (Catalogue of Meteorites)

2) Canyon City: The individual 50-100 µ wide alpha-grains of the fields
   are differently orientated  ... - BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of
   Iron Meteorites, Volume 2, pp. 380-381)

3) DaG 995: plagioclase contains small crystallographically orientated
   inclusions of augite (Met.Bull. 87, 2003 July, p. A194)

4) El Carmen: A single, orientated mass weighing 629 g was found ...
   (Meteoritics, 1988, 23, p.171)

5) Lone Tree: An orientated, ... mass of 20.676 kg was ploughed up
   (Catalogue of Meteorites)

6) Mount Margaret: A single, flight orientated stone was found ...
   (Catalogue of Meteorites)

7) A. Fujimura, M. Kato et al. (1983) Preferred orientation of phyllosilicate
   (001) in matrix of Murchison meteorite and possible mechanisms of
   generating the orientated texture in chondrites.
   (Earth Planet. Sci. Lett. 66, 25-32)

8) Summerfield: A single orientated stone of 6.2 kg was found ...
   (Catalogue of Meteorites)

9) Waka: A single, orientated mass weighing 11.875 kg was found ...
   (Met.Bull. 66, Jun 1988, Meteoritics 23-2, 1988, p.173).


Best wishes,

Bernd

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AW: [meteorite-list] Oriented vs orientated

2004-12-06 Thread Jörn Koblitz
A google search yielded roughly 15 times as many hits for oriented 
(24.900.000) than for orientated (1.480.000). Both are adjectives according 
to my online dictionary. 

May be one hint: I found orientated only used in the sense of being focused 
(e.g. market-orientated, customer-orientated, also, market-oriented, 
customer-oriented), but I could not find orientated in the sense of something 
being physically aligned (e.g. there is a term grain-oriented electrical 
sheet, but not grain-orientated electrical sheet).

I have the impressed that both terms are correct, but that orientated simply 
isn't used very often.

Jörn


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  Thanks for all the replies. I think I may have the answer.
  I think it depends on whether or not you are using the
  word as an adjective, noun, or verb.
 
 Hello Robert and List,
 
 Here are some further examples from my databases:
 
 1) Borkut: Elliptical chondrules are orientated (Catalogue 
 of Meteorites)
 
 2) Canyon City: The individual 50-100 µ wide alpha-grains of 
 the fields
are differently orientated  ... - BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of
Iron Meteorites, Volume 2, pp. 380-381)
 
 3) DaG 995: plagioclase contains small crystallographically 
 orientated
inclusions of augite (Met.Bull. 87, 2003 July, p. A194)
 
 4) El Carmen: A single, orientated mass weighing 629 g was found ...
(Meteoritics, 1988, 23, p.171)
 
 5) Lone Tree: An orientated, ... mass of 20.676 kg was ploughed up
(Catalogue of Meteorites)
 
 6) Mount Margaret: A single, flight orientated stone was found ...
(Catalogue of Meteorites)
 
 7) A. Fujimura, M. Kato et al. (1983) Preferred orientation 
 of phyllosilicate
(001) in matrix of Murchison meteorite and possible mechanisms of
generating the orientated texture in chondrites.
(Earth Planet. Sci. Lett. 66, 25-32)
 
 8) Summerfield: A single orientated stone of 6.2 kg was found ...
(Catalogue of Meteorites)
 
 9) Waka: A single, orientated mass weighing 11.875 kg was found ...
(Met.Bull. 66, Jun 1988, Meteoritics 23-2, 1988, p.173).
 
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Bernd
 
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Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Oriented vs orientated

2004-12-06 Thread joseph_town
So would the opposite be occidented or occidentated?

Bill


 -- Original message --
From: Jörn Koblitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A google search yielded roughly 15 times as many hits for oriented 
 (24.900.000) than for orientated (1.480.000). Both are adjectives according 
 to 
 my online dictionary. 
 
 May be one hint: I found orientated only used in the sense of being 
 focused 
 (e.g. market-orientated, customer-orientated, also, market-oriented, 
 customer-oriented), but I could not find orientated in the sense of 
 something 
 being physically aligned (e.g. there is a term grain-oriented electrical 
 sheet, but not grain-orientated electrical sheet).
 
 I have the impressed that both terms are correct, but that orientated 
 simply 
 isn't used very often.
 
 Jörn
 
 
  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Betreff: [meteorite-list] Oriented vs orientated
  
  
   Thanks for all the replies. I think I may have the answer.
   I think it depends on whether or not you are using the
   word as an adjective, noun, or verb.
  
  Hello Robert and List,
  
  Here are some further examples from my databases:
  
  1) Borkut: Elliptical chondrules are orientated (Catalogue 
  of Meteorites)
  
  2) Canyon City: The individual 50-100 µ wide alpha-grains of 
  the fields
 are differently orientated  ... - BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Handbook of
 Iron Meteorites, Volume 2, pp. 380-381)
  
  3) DaG 995: plagioclase contains small crystallographically 
  orientated
 inclusions of augite (Met.Bull. 87, 2003 July, p. A194)
  
  4) El Carmen: A single, orientated mass weighing 629 g was found ...
 (Meteoritics, 1988, 23, p.171)
  
  5) Lone Tree: An orientated, ... mass of 20.676 kg was ploughed up
 (Catalogue of Meteorites)
  
  6) Mount Margaret: A single, flight orientated stone was found ...
 (Catalogue of Meteorites)
  
  7) A. Fujimura, M. Kato et al. (1983) Preferred orientation 
  of phyllosilicate
 (001) in matrix of Murchison meteorite and possible mechanisms of
 generating the orientated texture in chondrites.
 (Earth Planet. Sci. Lett. 66, 25-32)
  
  8) Summerfield: A single orientated stone of 6.2 kg was found ...
 (Catalogue of Meteorites)
  
  9) Waka: A single, orientated mass weighing 11.875 kg was found ...
 (Met.Bull. 66, Jun 1988, Meteoritics 23-2, 1988, p.173).
  
  
  Best wishes,
  
  Bernd
  
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Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Oriented vs orientated

2004-12-06 Thread Jonathan Gore
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So would the opposite be occidented or occidentated?
It seems to me that the antonym is unoriented for oriented *and* 
orientated, since I can't find unorientated in any dictionary.

Clear skies,
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