Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kuro5hin pulled the libel, so is there any point in pursuing the origin? Pulled on blogspot, but as of now the kuro5hin link is still good. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/8/2/15233/84896 At bottom of article: While I don't see good cause to take down the article, I am glad to include Mr. deRaadt's response above. I trust that he will agree that everyone is better served by an open and equal forum for debate than by legal threats. --rusty -- KBK
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
On Sunday 05 August 2007, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes: This looks very much like something which was hosted at blogspot.com last week. Somebody on #OpenBSD found it, most people found it and found it for me again, just now: http://rolloffle.blogspot.com/. looks like pretty much the same text. Nice work Peter! At the moment, the blogspot page reads: SUNDAY, AUGUST 05, 2007 I have removed the most recent entry to this weblog on account of outrageous remarks made by Theo deRaadt in response to it and also due to a legal threat from AMD. Thank you for your attention. ABOUT ME NAT V. Hello! I'm you average HDL toolchain designer by day, and by night I like to follow happenings in the open source movement. Welcome to my Blog! The odd part is the K5 article (trollbait) is by David Marcus and the blog only has a single entry (since removed). Something smells very fishy... What bothers me most is Theo and the rest of the devs have to put up with this crap. -jcr
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At the moment, the blogspot page reads: SUNDAY, AUGUST 05, 2007 I have removed the most recent entry to this weblog on account of outrageous remarks made by Theo deRaadt in response to it and also due to a legal threat from AMD. Thank you for your attention. So AMD rattled their sabers and the troll shat itself. Well, at least that's possibly over then. I just don't get what it is makes some people do stupid stuff like this. Ow hell, nevermind. There's a fresh snapshot to be taken in :) - P -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
J.C. Roberts wrote: Nice work Peter! [snip] The odd part is the K5 article (trollbait) is by David Marcus and the blog only has a single entry (since removed). Something smells very fishy... OpenBSD will increasingly be on the radar and that means MS astroturfers, trolls, FUD and, when they think they can get away with it, libel. If OpenBSD is perceived as a big enough threat to either marketshare or mindshare, its minions will go after principals project leaders in the same way they went after the Commonwealth of Massachusetts' CIO Peter Quinn: http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=13460Page=1pagePos=8 What bothers me most is Theo and the rest of the devs have to put up with this crap. What bothers me is any *time* spent dealing with libel. -Lars
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
On 2007/08/06 12:43, Lars Noodin wrote: The odd part is the K5 article (trollbait) is by David Marcus and the blog only has a single entry (since removed). Something smells very fishy... ... What bothers me most is Theo and the rest of the devs have to put up with this crap. What bothers me is any *time* spent dealing with libel. Funny how this came around release-building time, too...
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD By David Marcus, 2007-08-05 03:41:29 Section: Technology, Topic: I formerly had a great deal of respect, bordering on admiration, for Theo deRaadt's refusals to compromise his open source principles, even in the face of stiff opposition. Although he has occasionally gone over-the-top, recommended some frankly very dubious changes to OpenBSD, and is regularly arrogant (which is even more annoying because he's so often right!), he's always remained consistent in his devotion to the cause of GNU/Free Software. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/8/2/15233/84896 WTF? Who wrote this shit? His proof of a substantial amount of monetary support is donations.html where AMD is listed. Oh and Intel is listed too, long way before AMD. And the second proof is some article on kerneltrap where I'm being quoted saying that I committed SMP support for amd64. Yes, we have received machines from AMD and we have received machines from Intel and HP and Digital. I have a really nice alpha I got from Digital and since Intel bought the processor manufacturing from Digital it means I got this huge, amazing machine from Intel. OMG INTEL OWNS MY ASS. The real question is who's paying that guy. I guess any corporate owned asshole can publish random slander on the internet and call it research. //art
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
Artur Grabowski wrote: The real question is who's paying that guy. I guess any corporate owned asshole can publish random slander on the internet and call it research. I doubt it's quite so complicated, his previous use of rolloffle.blogspot.com was to post Harry Potter book spoilers. Do a search for rolloffle. Or gnaa. Or James AC Joyce. At least when you get trolled it's by a professional...
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
Artur Grabowski wrote: ... The real question is who's paying that guy. I guess any corporate owned asshole can publish random slander on the internet and call it research. Who gains? The pattern is so old it's been codified as cui prodest scelus is fecit, or a more modern variant follow the money Who has to gain, politically or economically, by placement of surveillance technology like Active Managment (AMT) in each CPU? http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/1032.htm Gates and Rumsfeld top my list of baddies. There are also Erik Prince (Blackwater) or Thomas Swidarski (Diebold)+ Antonio Mugica(SmartMatic)+ other into voting fraud, or really any number of 'security' or intelligence contracting firms now contracting for the US. Kuro5hin pulled the libel, so is there any point in pursuing the origin? If so, then what is the specific goal of such a time consuming pursuit that makes it more important than coding/testing/writing documentation and training materials? -Lars PS. To go on a tangent it's an interesting observation that several have referred to the libel as slander. The former is written, the latter is spoken. I guess it explains how we think about e-mail as a form of communication and that it acts, in some contexts, as a surrogate for speech to the point that it is perceived as speech. However, I suspect that the Kuro5hin drivel counts as libel and not slander, regardless. (IANAL)
Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD By David Marcus, 2007-08-05 03:41:29 Section: Technology, Topic: I formerly had a great deal of respect, bordering on admiration, for Theo deRaadt's refusals to compromise his open source principles, even in the face of stiff opposition. Although he has occasionally gone over-the-top, recommended some frankly very dubious changes to OpenBSD, and is regularly arrogant (which is even more annoying because he's so often right!), he's always remained consistent in his devotion to the cause of GNU/Free Software. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/8/2/15233/84896
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD By David Marcus, 2007-08-05 03:41:29 Section: Technology, Topic: I formerly had a great deal of respect, bordering on admiration, for Theo deRaadt's refusals to compromise his open source principles, even in the face of stiff opposition. Although he has occasionally gone over-the-top, recommended some frankly very dubious changes to OpenBSD, and is regularly arrogant (which is even more annoying because he's so often right!), he's always remained consistent in his devotion to the cause of GNU/Free Software. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/8/2/15233/84896 Too bad the author of that article is totally lying. Neither I or the project have no donation relationship with AMD. The only donations the project ever got from AMD were three prototype AMD64 machines. Two were given to us before the AMD64 had even shipped to the public, so that they could benefit from us running on AMD64 cpus. They were desktop machines with Athlon HX processors at 1.6GHz. One is in Sweden, the other in Calgary. One nice thing about those machines is that the BIOS does no self tests, and therefore boots really really fast. The third machine was a quad-cpu Opteron machine the size of a fridge, but that was quite a bit later, and it was surplus to us. I think these were called Melody machines, or a name similar to that. I am sure that we've had more hardware donations from Intel. I am also sure we've had WAY MORE donations from VIA/Centaur, even yet. I'd love to know that there have been more donations from AMD. If there had been, perhaps we could spend them on a hackathon in the future. It's amazing how people these days can just invent commentary out of their ass, and have thousands of people read it and change their bias. It's slander, that's exactly what it is, and I ask that the editors take that article down and force some sort of apologize for it.
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
Hi there, What a crappy article. Whoever gives a sh*t about what that guy wrote, I don't know. But that's just me. For example, notice how he starts the article. The first paragraph is supposed to sound like a compliment but in fact it's an insult. regards, Tobias W. On Aug 5, 2007, at 10:50 PM, chefren wrote: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD By David Marcus, 2007-08-05 03:41:29 Section: Technology, Topic: I formerly had a great deal of respect, bordering on admiration, for Theo deRaadt's refusals to compromise his open source principles, even in the face of stiff opposition. Although he has occasionally gone over-the-top, recommended some frankly very dubious changes to OpenBSD, and is regularly arrogant (which is even more annoying because he's so often right!), he's always remained consistent in his devotion to the cause of GNU/Free Software. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/8/2/15233/84896
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I formerly had a great deal of respect, bordering on admiration, for This looks very much like something which was hosted at blogspot.com last week. Somebody on #OpenBSD found it, most people found it ridiculous. For some odd reason I have not been able to dig up the exact reference, so it's possible it was removed from blogspot. I'd be surprised if the fact content in this is above 'barely measurable'. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
On 8/5/07, Tobias Weisserth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, What a crappy article. Whoever gives a sh*t about what that guy wrote, I don't know. Well, there's also the fact that Theo lost part of the $2mil grant from Darpa because of his outspoken opinions. If US$2mil wasn't enough to buy Theo's vote for the war, I have to wonder how much AMD gave OpenBSD to be able to buy Theo's note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe that's why AMD's stock went down so much :) -- This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation.
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
On 5-Aug-07, at 4:50 PM, chefren wrote: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD By David Marcus, 2007-08-05 03:41:29 Section: Technology, Topic: I formerly had a great deal of respect, bordering on admiration, for Theo deRaadt's refusals to compromise his open source principles, even in the face of stiff opposition. Although he has occasionally gone over-the-top, recommended some frankly very dubious changes to OpenBSD, and is regularly arrogant (which is even more annoying because he's so often right!), he's always remained consistent in his devotion to the cause of GNU/Free Software. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/8/2/15233/84896 Oh yeah, because if there's anything Theo's proven during the lifespan of OpenBSD, surely it's that he's available to the highest bidder and he's willing to say or not say anything to keep the money coming. That was an amusing Sunday afternoon diversion but, all-in-all, I'd rather have my 10 minutes back.
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes: This looks very much like something which was hosted at blogspot.com last week. Somebody on #OpenBSD found it, most people found it and found it for me again, just now: http://rolloffle.blogspot.com/. looks like pretty much the same text. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
Thanks for your comments. I have added your response to the story. --R On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 15:06 -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD By David Marcus, 2007-08-05 03:41:29 Section: Technology, Topic: I formerly had a great deal of respect, bordering on admiration, for Theo deRaadt's refusals to compromise his open source principles, even in the face of stiff opposition. Although he has occasionally gone over-the-top, recommended some frankly very dubious changes to OpenBSD, and is regularly arrogant (which is even more annoying because he's so often right!), he's always remained consistent in his devotion to the cause of GNU/Free Software. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/8/2/15233/84896 Too bad the author of that article is totally lying. Neither I or the project have no donation relationship with AMD. The only donations the project ever got from AMD were three prototype AMD64 machines. Two were given to us before the AMD64 had even shipped to the public, so that they could benefit from us running on AMD64 cpus. They were desktop machines with Athlon HX processors at 1.6GHz. One is in Sweden, the other in Calgary. One nice thing about those machines is that the BIOS does no self tests, and therefore boots really really fast. The third machine was a quad-cpu Opteron machine the size of a fridge, but that was quite a bit later, and it was surplus to us. I think these were called Melody machines, or a name similar to that. I am sure that we've had more hardware donations from Intel. I am also sure we've had WAY MORE donations from VIA/Centaur, even yet. I'd love to know that there have been more donations from AMD. If there had been, perhaps we could spend them on a hackathon in the future. It's amazing how people these days can just invent commentary out of their ass, and have thousands of people read it and change their bias. It's slander, that's exactly what it is, and I ask that the editors take that article down and force some sort of apologize for it.
Re: Kuro5hin: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD
Theo de Raadt wrote: OpenBSD Founder Theo deRaadt Has Conflict of Interest With AMD By David Marcus, 2007-08-05 03:41:29 Section: Technology, Topic: snip slander, nyah http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/8/2/15233/84896 Too bad the author of that article is totally lying. Neither I or the project have no donation relationship with AMD. The only donations the project ever got from AMD were three prototype AMD64 machines. ... It's amazing how people these days can just invent commentary out of their ass, and have thousands of people read it and change their bias. It's slander, that's exactly what it is, and I ask that the editors take that article down and force some sort of apologize for it. it's so amazing that it makes you ask the question: who funds the person who authored it? i could name a few guesses based on the who benefits? question here but would rather not... ;). speculate amongst yourselves. i felt the earlier story about linus was overtly dismissive of the issues raised. it tastes like shillery.
