Re: Perl's Sacrifice Stone
Andrew savige [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] khemir nadim wrote: I'd love to review the second module that is offered for sacrifice ;-) Anything to offer? How about Apache::MVC? It was posted for review on Simon's code review ladder mailing list in February but didn't get any response AFAICT. What has been harming this list, IMHO, is selfish people asking for their module to be reviewed -- and then disappearing without reviewing someone else's module in return. Maybe there should be a convention that you should first review someone else's before posting yours (?). This is a good idea but to do that you must have a list of modules to pick from and to have your module added to the llist you to have tested a module that should come from the list. :-) it's a good idea anyhow. About Apache::MVC, I'm unfortunately the wrong guy for that one. It would take me ages to get anything having something to do with web to work (yeah I'm that good). I'm more on system module side. But I'll find something to grind soon, promised. BTW, I think the code review ladder mailing list is exactly what you are looking for. Unless you are prepared to create an account and start by posting on PerlMonks Discussion seeking feedback re your Perl Sacrifice Stone idea, I don't think Perl Monks will work for you. There is nothing stopping you posting a review of your favourite module/s on Perl Monks -- doing that may give you more credibility at that site, so your ideas may then be better received. /-\ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
Re: Perl's Sacrifice Stone
Andrew savige [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] So far this node has been ignored and downvoted. I saw that, well that's life. I suggest you start by creating a perl monks account (rather than posting anonymously). Then hang around for a while to get a feel for how the place works. Not being active or registred doesn't mean I don't hang around. I rather dislike to register, I have memory holes and all my password are remmebered as 123TEST. If you want someone to review your module, it seems best to start by first reviewing someone else's module. I'd love to review the second module that is offered for sacrifice ;-) Anything to offer? Nadim.
Re: Perl's Sacrifice Stone
Randy W. Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, we have: 1) Simon's code review ladder: http://lists.netthink.co.uk/listinfo/code-review-ladder Seems rather dead to me. A very interresting link anyhow. Let's see if we can get more life there 2) Ask's CPAN Ratings: http://cpanratings.perl.org/ We had a long discussion about this. As long the rating are not more visible and people are not actively ask to rate, there will be no real effect which is a pity because it's also a very good idea. 3) Perl Monks' Reviews: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node=Reviews That did work so well. Maybe I should have done it in another way but I've done my best. I can't seriously review my own modules (remember it's the only vonlontary review module so far) or it will be no better than module authors that rate their own modules. Each has a slightly different focus, but there is some overlap. A part of me wonders if they should be at least loosely linked together instead of remaining 3 independant but related review tools for authors users; maybe one review site with two faces, one to help module users find modules and the other to help module authors improve their modules. Amen.
Re: Perl's Sacrifice Stone
khemir nadim wrote: I'd love to review the second module that is offered for sacrifice ;-) Anything to offer? How about Apache::MVC? It was posted for review on Simon's code review ladder mailing list in February but didn't get any response AFAICT. What has been harming this list, IMHO, is selfish people asking for their module to be reviewed -- and then disappearing without reviewing someone else's module in return. Maybe there should be a convention that you should first review someone else's before posting yours (?). BTW, I think the code review ladder mailing list is exactly what you are looking for. Unless you are prepared to create an account and start by posting on PerlMonks Discussion seeking feedback re your Perl Sacrifice Stone idea, I don't think Perl Monks will work for you. There is nothing stopping you posting a review of your favourite module/s on Perl Monks -- doing that may give you more credibility at that site, so your ideas may then be better received. /-\ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
Re: Perl's Sacrifice Stone
Randy W. Sims wrote: Hmm, we have: 1) Simon's code review ladder: http://lists.netthink.co.uk/listinfo/code-review-ladder 2) Ask's CPAN Ratings: http://cpanratings.perl.org/ 3) Perl Monks' Reviews: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node=Reviews Each has a slightly different focus, but there is some overlap. A part of me wonders if they should be at least loosely linked together instead of remaining 3 independant but related review tools for authors users; maybe one review site with two faces, one to help module users find modules and the other to help module authors improve their modules. I see 2) above as Amazon-style cheer-leading, and 3) above as more detailed and analytical. I prefer the latter. ;-) There is also gav's CPAN module review wiki at: http://cpan.thegav.com/ and Mark Fowler's lovely Advent Calendar at: http://www.perladvent.org/ I suppose all the above sites could do with more quality content. Bottom line: a quality review is unpaid work taking considerable time and effort; there will always be a shortage of them. Notice that Uri Guttman offers a commerical code review service. To improve your CPAN module code, it's often best to isolate small pieces of code from the module that you're unhappy with and post multiple small questions to Perl Monks; that is much more likely to elicit a response than posting a 500-line module for review. /-\ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
Re: Perl's Sacrifice Stone
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Andrew Savige wrote: I suppose all the above sites could do with more quality content. Bottom line: a quality review is unpaid work taking considerable time and effort; there will always be a shortage of them. Notice that Uri Guttman offers a commerical code review service. I've done that too. Doing a truly thorough review takes a fair amount of time. When I've been paid to do it I try to evaluate the code in a number of areas, include Perl-ishness (are they using Perl effectively), security flaws, robustness, correctness, efficiency, quality of comments, quality of docs (hah, they never exist!). I also make specific suggestions for improvements. For CPAN modules, you have to add in an evaluation of the API itself, from the standpoint of an API consumer. Needless to say, doing that for any non-trivial amount of code is a lot of work. I think part of the reason I haven't done this sort of stuff for CPAN modules is that it's just so much work. I've written some reviews on cpanratings of stuff I've used a fair amount, or stuff that is obviously horribly wrong, but that's about it. -dave /*=== House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com ===*/
Re: Perl's Sacrifice Stone
khemir nadim wrote: I started a vonlontary review on Perl Monks. I don't know if it's the best place but since they have reviews I thought it would be a good place to start with (and I couldn't think of a better place). It hasn't given any result so far :-) . If some of you would be nice enough to review the module I put there or put a module that they want to be reviewed, that might start things up. So far this node has been ignored and downvoted. I suggest you start by creating a perl monks account (rather than posting anonymously). Then hang around for a while to get a feel for how the place works. If you want someone to review your module, it seems best to start by first reviewing someone else's module. /-\ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
Re: Perl's Sacrifice Stone
khemir nadim wrote: Hi, I started a vonlontary review on Perl Monks. I don't know if it's the best place but since they have reviews I thought it would be a good place to start with (and I couldn't think of a better place). It hasn't given any result so far :-) . If some of you would be nice enough to review the module I put there or put a module that they want to be reviewed, that might start things up. Hmm, we have: 1) Simon's code review ladder: http://lists.netthink.co.uk/listinfo/code-review-ladder 2) Ask's CPAN Ratings: http://cpanratings.perl.org/ 3) Perl Monks' Reviews: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node=Reviews Each has a slightly different focus, but there is some overlap. A part of me wonders if they should be at least loosely linked together instead of remaining 3 independant but related review tools for authors users; maybe one review site with two faces, one to help module users find modules and the other to help module authors improve their modules. Randy.
RE: Perl's Sacrifice Stone
I started a vonlontary review on Perl Monks. I don't know if What is your URL? it's the best place but since they have reviews I thought it would be a good place to start with (and I couldn't think of a better place). It PerlMonks site is quite conservative, so they will probably not reorganize one of their sections. Rather they will convince you to live with elder system, and they're strong at that. Vadim.
