Re: [NTG-context] disturbing the hyphenation mechanism

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Steffen Wolfrum
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 please have a look at the following – the wondering doesn't brake anymore
 thanks to the kern:


 \starttext
 \showframe

 \enableregime[utf]

 blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla blablabla
 „{\kern-0.025em}wondering

 \stoptext



 I have read an e-mail by Hans from 2003 when he said well, it's just like
 that.
 But time has passed.

 Is there a solution today in MkIV or even in MkII ?

You could give TeX hints where to break the line.

\starttext
\showframe

\enableregime[utf]

blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
blablabla „\kern-0.025em won\-de\-ring

blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
blablabla \penalty-500„\hskip-0.025em wondering

blablabla blablabla bla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
blablabla \penalty-500„\hskip-0.025em wondering

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

 Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight?

1. http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080812.135630.04ad74e5.en.html

2. From observation: see \showsetups output (right column)

This part of ConTeXt and/or the instructional resources somehow got so
polluted with
incorrect parameters and/or information, a *serious* cleanup would be
most welcome so
people don't waste their time figuring out which of the basic stuff
really works.

Does somebody have a comprehensive overview of the active \setuplayout
parameters and
their meaning, i.e. where the incorrect parameters and information
have been filtered out ?
That would be most helpful.

Thanks on beforehand.

Best,
Alan


On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Alan Stone wrote:

 Hi,

 Taking S6 = 600pt wide x 450pt heigh for example...

 \setuppapersize[S6][S6]

 \showframe
 \showsetups

 \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
  headerheight=15pt,
  footerheight=15pt,
  bottomheight=15pt,
  leftedgewidth=0pt,
  leftmarginwidth=0pt,
  rightmarginwidth=0pt,
  rightedgewidth=180pt]

 \starttext
 testing
 \stoptext

 How come the showframe and showsetups printouts
 don't correspond to the \setuplayout settings ?

 Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight?
 Perhaps you wanted

 \setuppapersize[S6][S6]

 \showframe
 \showsetups

 \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
   header=15pt,
   height=middle,
   footer=15pt,
   bottomspace=15pt,
   backspace=0pt,
   width=middle,
   cutspace=180pt]

 \starttext
 testing
 \stoptext

 Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 06:19:59AM -0400, Aditya Mahajan napisa#322;(a):
 Hi,
 
 After the discussions at Bohinj, I have created a new first page of the 
 wiki. I am tried to keep things short and to the point, rather than 
 complete. As a result a lot of links that were present in the original 
 main page are missing. This is the first step in the effort to clean up 
 and reorganize the wiki so that it is easier to browse. Comments are 
 welcome

Very nice work!  The new page is way better.  I guess the only thing I'm
missing is the link to The ConTeXt Way; maybe at the beginning of
Specific Subjects... (which, btw, I'd rename to Subjects Specific to
ConTeXt)?

 
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page_New
 
 If everyone agrees with the new design, I will replace the current main 
 page.
 
 Aditya

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[NTG-context] Feature request: \newitemize or something like this

[Marcin Borkowski]

Hi there!

I have a feature request (or a question how to do it;)) concerning
itemizations.  Currently, they are much like LaTeX (say, with the
enumitem package).  I think this is not the best idea.  I can hardly
imagine using more than two levels of itemize in my documents; on the
other hand, I like to introduce different kinds of itemize on the
_first_ level.  Imagine I'm typesetting a paper on mathematics (which
I'm doing all the time;)).  I want another kind of itemize for lists of:
* equivalent conditions (as in: the following are equivalent: ...);
* statements connected by an or clause (as in: at least one of these
  holds: ...;
* statements connected by an and clause (as in: assume that these
  conditions are satisfied: ...).

What I usually do (in LaTeX) is to define a few environments, like
equivenumerate, orenumerate, andenumerate etc., and make them use
(a), (b), ..., (i), (ii), ..., or (1), (2), ... respectively.  This way
I have a clear visual clue in my papers on what's going where, and on
the other hand, I separate content and presentation.

Would it be possible in ConTeXt?  If yes, how to do this?  Maybe it's
worth mentioning in the new manual?

(As usual, I'll try to post the answer on the wiki when I have some
spare time!)

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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: \newitemize or something like this

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Marcin Borkowski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there!

 I have a feature request (or a question how to do it;)) concerning
 itemizations.  Currently, they are much like LaTeX (say, with the
 enumitem package).  I think this is not the best idea.  I can hardly
 imagine using more than two levels of itemize in my documents; on the
 other hand, I like to introduce different kinds of itemize on the
 _first_ level.  Imagine I'm typesetting a paper on mathematics (which
 I'm doing all the time;)).  I want another kind of itemize for lists of:
 * equivalent conditions (as in: the following are equivalent: ...);
 * statements connected by an or clause (as in: at least one of these
  holds: ...;
 * statements connected by an and clause (as in: assume that these
  conditions are satisfied: ...).

 What I usually do (in LaTeX) is to define a few environments, like
 equivenumerate, orenumerate, andenumerate etc., and make them use
 (a), (b), ..., (i), (ii), ..., or (1), (2), ... respectively.  This way
 I have a clear visual clue in my papers on what's going where, and on
 the other hand, I separate content and presentation.

 Would it be possible in ConTeXt?  If yes, how to do this?  Maybe it's
 worth mentioning in the new manual?

 (As usual, I'll try to post the answer on the wiki when I have some
 spare time!)


Take a look at page 20.

http://wolfgang.schuster.googlepages.com/erlangen.pdf

Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] no star in itemize with luatex

[Mikael Persson]

Hello,

running the file

%%%
\starttext
\startitemize[3]
\item Hello world!
\stopitemize
\stoptext
%%%

in luatex, I did expect to get a star and then Hello world! However, I
got something like \perp instead of the star.

It works with pdftex. I also tried with some other fonts with same
failing result.

I run the latest minimal context and also tried this at the
contextgarden with the same result.

Any solutions around?

Best wishes, Mikael
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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Alan Stone]

It has a much better structure indeed.

Missing the wiki-only search feature though.

Placing the texshow-web and mail archive links in a more relevant
section, instead of hidden in the wiki's left column, would be welcome
- especially for newbies.

Also, when a newbie reads texshow-web (s)he doesn't have a clue what
that means. It's geek talk. Better say something like ConTeXt
commands directory or something else that's meaningful, relevant and
useful for them.

Samewise:

- live context
- download
- download area

All these don't mean a thing to somebody who sees this page for the first time.

Live ConTeXt ? What's that ? A live recording of a band named ConTeXt
? (joking ;O)

Download and download area? What's the difference ? As a newbie I
don't want to have waste my time and click on every link to find out
what's behind it. Tell me from the link itself what it means, what's
behind it so I can find what I'm looking for and get up to speed asap.

As for the logo...

Who cares ?

Logo's don't enable people to figure out how to use software and be
productive with it.

The proof is in the pudding, not in the logo.

Hope that helps.

Best,
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: \newitemize or something like this

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Aug 27, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 Take a look at page 20.

 http://wolfgang.schuster.googlepages.com/erlangen.pdf

 Wolfgang

Hey, that's an excellent presentation. When/where did you give it?

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: \newitemize or something like this

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Thomas A. Schmitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Aug 27, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

 Take a look at page 20.

 http://wolfgang.schuster.googlepages.com/erlangen.pdf

 Wolfgang

 Hey, that's an excellent presentation. When/where did you give it?

2. August in Erlangen (footer right margin ;-)

http://home.vr-web.de/was/stammtisch.html#bayerntreff

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] paragraphs in columns query

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Alan Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have set two paragraphs side by side using

 \defineparagraphs[TwoColumns]
 [n=2,tolerance=verytolerant,before={\blank},after={\blank}]
 \setupparagraphs[TwoColumns][distance=1pc]

 One of the columns is the length of the page. How do I prevent the two
 columns from starting a new page? Right now there is a large
 whitespace on the preceding page. (This problem has been raised
 before, but I have not yet found the answer.)

 Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Use tabulate.

\definetabulate[twocolumns][|p|p|]

\setuptabulate
  [twocolumns]
  [inner=\setquicktabulate\twocolumns,
   distance=1pc,
   split=yes]

\starttext

\input knuth

\starttwocolumns

\twocolumns

\dorecurse{3}{\input zapf\par}

\\

\dorecurse{4}{\input ward\par}

\\

\stoptwocolumns

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Feature request: \newitemize or something like this

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:12:16AM +0200, Wolfgang Schuster napisa#322;(a):
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Marcin Borkowski
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What I usually do (in LaTeX) is to define a few environments, like
  equivenumerate, orenumerate, andenumerate etc., and make them use
  (a), (b), ..., (i), (ii), ..., or (1), (2), ... respectively.  This way
  I have a clear visual clue in my papers on what's going where, and on
  the other hand, I separate content and presentation.
 
  Would it be possible in ConTeXt?  If yes, how to do this?  Maybe it's
  worth mentioning in the new manual?
 
 
 Take a look at page 20.
 
 http://wolfgang.schuster.googlepages.com/erlangen.pdf
 
 Wolfgang

Hey, that's just WOW!!!  It's a pity it's in German - I'll have to
recall what I learned about that language a looong time ago...

But thanks, thanks a million times!

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[NTG-context] Numbered bookmarks in PDF

[B. Tommy Jensen]

I am struggling a bit with numbered bookmarks in PDF files.

In LaTex, the HyperRef package supports the option bookmarksnumbered =  
true which
adds the chapter numbers to the bookmark list.

Does anybody know of a similar option in ConText? I have searched the  
\setupinteraction
documentation, but haven't been able to locate anything useful.

All hints are welcome!

Best regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

 but where is the original search buttom? I don't like the google
 special search here:(

I've removed it in favour of the google one. I thought two search
areas could be confusing.

What do the others think?


@Mojca: could you update the custom google search to the new logo?

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Re: [NTG-context] no star in itemize with luatex

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Mikael Persson wrote:

 Hello,

 running the file

 %%%
 \starttext
 \startitemize[3]
 \item Hello world!
 \stopitemize
 \stoptext
 %%%

 in luatex, I did expect to get a star and then Hello world! However, I
 got something like \perp instead of the star.

 It works with pdftex. I also tried with some other fonts with same
 failing result.

 I run the latest minimal context and also tried this at the
 contextgarden with the same result.

This is a bug in math-ini.lua Line 407 should read

 [0x22C6] = { mi, 0x3F }, -- star

mi instead of sy. Make this change are regenerate the formats.

 Any solutions around?

Hans, can you correct this in the core.

Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] no star in itemize with luatex

[Mikael Persson]

Thank you very much Aditya!

Best regards, Mikael

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Mikael Persson wrote:

 Hello,

 running the file

 %%%
 \starttext
 \startitemize[3]
 \item Hello world!
 \stopitemize
 \stoptext
 %%%

 in luatex, I did expect to get a star and then Hello world! However, I
 got something like \perp instead of the star.

 It works with pdftex. I also tried with some other fonts with same
 failing result.

 I run the latest minimal context and also tried this at the
 contextgarden with the same result.

 This is a bug in math-ini.lua Line 407 should read

 [0x22C6] = { mi, 0x3F }, -- star

 mi instead of sy. Make this change are regenerate the formats.

 Any solutions around?

 Hans, can you correct this in the core.

 Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

 Missing the wiki-only search feature though.

OK, you're number two. I'll think about it.

 Also, when a newbie reads texshow-web (s)he doesn't have a clue what
 that means.

Jano Kula suggested to rename it to reference or sth. like that.
I'll do so.

 - live context
 - download
 - download area

Could you suggest some other names? I always have a hard time thinking
of some.

 All these don't mean a thing to somebody who sees this page for the
 first time.

You're right.

 As for the logo...

 Who cares ?

 Logo's don't enable people to figure out how to use software and be
 productive with it.

 The proof is in the pudding, not in the logo.

Right, but presenting ConTeXt in a more professional way could be
worth an effort. A new logo is one step forward, even it will
disappear again in some day.

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[NTG-context] \placefigure not centering

[Marcin Borkowski]

Hey!

Seems I'm going to ask lots of questions here - I'm starting to _really_
use ConTeXt;).

Why this does not center the figure horizontally?  What should I do to
center it?

\placefigure{none}{
  \starttikzpicture[scale=0.3]
\draw (0,0) -- (5,0) -- (4.5,6) -- (1.5,6) -- cycle;
  \stoptikzpicture
}

I discovered that using combinations with 1*1 helps, but this is a
dirty trick;).  (Also, none as a label does not work with combinations
- is it a bug or a feature?)

Thanks in advance

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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:26:38AM +0200, Flavien Lambert napisa#322;(a):
 2008/8/27 Patrick Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
   - live context
   - download
   - download area
 
 
  Could you suggest some other names? I always have a hard time thinking
  of some.
 
 
 Hello guys, what about In-line ConTeXt for live context ?

Or maybe:

ConTeXt online

or

ConTeXt in your web browser?

Greets

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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Eric DÉTREZ]

Le 27 août 08 à 11:20, Marcin Borkowski a écrit :


 As you said: a professional-looking logo is a good thing.

 BTW: the current logo looks like this:

O
  C   N
E
  T   X
T

 I don't like the order;


I didn't like it neither

  what about
O
  C   N
T
  T   X
E
 ?

I rather suggest

   O
C   N
E
TT
X




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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Flavien Lambert]

2008/8/27 Patrick Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  - live context
  - download
  - download area


 Could you suggest some other names? I always have a hard time thinking
 of some.


Hello guys, what about In-line ConTeXt for live context ?

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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14:10AM +0200, Patrick Gundlach napisa#322;(a):
  As for the logo...
 
  Who cares ?
 
  Logo's don't enable people to figure out how to use software and be
  productive with it.
 
  The proof is in the pudding, not in the logo.
 
 Right, but presenting ConTeXt in a more professional way could be
 worth an effort. A new logo is one step forward, even it will
 disappear again in some day.

On my personal webpage, I'm using a small wiki engine called oddmuse.
It's maunal says in one place:
Logos and little icons (usually smilies) are eye candy and therefore of
utmost importance.

As you said: a professional-looking logo is a good thing.

BTW: the current logo looks like this:

O
  C   N
E
  T   X
T

I don't like the order; what about 
O   
  C   N 
T   
  T   X 
E
?

This way, we emphasize the TeX logo inside the ConTeXt one. 
  
 Patrick

Greets

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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

Eric DÉTREZ wrote:
 I rather suggest
 
O
 C   N
 E
 TT
 X

I just noticed that at some point, Patrick emailed me a
file that went like this:

 O
   C   N
   T   T
 EX

I'll try to mock something up using that layout,
it should work out pretty well

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Alan Stone]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Patrick Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Hi,

 Missing the wiki-only search feature though.

 OK, you're number two. I'll think about it.

Here's why Patrick: a wiki being a source of documentation, that's where I
look for next
when not finding something in the paper manuals and texshow. If I don't find
it there,
digging deeper through the mailing archive is useful. Having everything
mixed up through
one google search blurb is oftentimes confusing due to the lack of
structure.

 Also, when a newbie reads texshow-web (s)he doesn't have a clue what
 that means.

 Jano Kula suggested to rename it to reference or sth. like that.
 I'll do so.

Reference of what ?

 Could you suggest some other names? I always have a hard time thinking
 of some.

 - live context  - Try out ConTeXt online
 - download - Download the ConTeXt application
 - download area   -  Download examples, 3rd party modules, articles,
MyWay reports, ...

Some other ideas...

- A clearly visible (colored ?) banner or link on top of the main page
saying something like If you're new to ConTeXt, click here to get started
fast... which redirects to the main page Getting Started section might be
useful.

- http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals
The Minimals are an attempt to provide the same functionality as the current
Pragma's minimal ConTeXt distributions in the zip files. Etc...

This is quite confusing for a newbie: If I install the ConTeXt Minimals,
what will I be missing what's in the Pragma's minimal distribution ?

Better might be to say something like: In order to provide you the easiest
and most current ConTeXt installation and updates, the ConTeXt Minimals are
the recommended installation, or whatever else is currently most relevant.

Best,
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] disturbing the hyphenation mechanism

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Just .. in case of bad luck you'll get this:


\starttext
\showframe

\enableregime[utf]

blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
blablabla \penalty-500„\hskip-0.025em wondering

\stoptext


... the line breaks after the quote mark ;o(

No way to avoid this and yet keep the hyphenation?

Steffen



Am 27.08.2008 um 08:46 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

 On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Steffen Wolfrum
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 please have a look at the following – the wondering doesn't brake  
 anymore
 thanks to the kern:


 \starttext
 \showframe

 \enableregime[utf]

 blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla  
 blablabla
 „{\kern-0.025em}wondering

 \stoptext



 I have read an e-mail by Hans from 2003 when he said well, it's  
 just like
 that.
 But time has passed.

 Is there a solution today in MkIV or even in MkII ?

 You could give TeX hints where to break the line.

 \starttext
 \showframe

 \enableregime[utf]

 blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
 blablabla „\kern-0.025em won\-de\-ring

 blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
 blablabla \penalty-500„\hskip-0.025em wondering

 blablabla blablabla bla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
 blablabla \penalty-500„\hskip-0.025em wondering

 \stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Jörg Hagmann]

Another vote for keeping the original wiki search
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[NTG-context] Numbered bookmarks in PDF

[B. Tommy Jensen]

I am struggling a bit with numbered bookmarks in generated PDF files.

In LaTex, the HyperRef package supports the option bookmarksnumbered =  
true which
adds the chapter numbers to the bookmark list.

Does anybody know of a similar option in ConText? I have searched the
\setupinteraction documentation, but haven't been able to locate anything  
useful.

I have also tried the \bookmark command with reference to \headnumber, but  
macro
expansion does not take place.

All hints are welcome!

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Re: [NTG-context] no star in itemize with luatex

[Hans Hagen]

Mikael Persson wrote:
 Hello,
 
 running the file
 
 %%%
 \starttext
 \startitemize[3]
 \item Hello world!
 \stopitemize
 \stoptext
 %%%
 
 in luatex, I did expect to get a star and then Hello world! However, I
 got something like \perp instead of the star.
 
 It works with pdftex. I also tried with some other fonts with same
 failing result.
 
 I run the latest minimal context and also tried this at the
 contextgarden with the same result.
 
 Any solutions around?

in math-ini.lua, search for -- star and change the line into

 [0x22C6] = { mi, 0x3F }, -- star

you need to remake the format


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Re: [NTG-context] no star in itemize with luatex

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

 Any solutions around?
 
 Hans, can you correct this in the core.

sure, done already

(somehow your mail ends up ou tof order in my mailbox related to the 
question, some time issue?)

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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Patrick Gundlach wrote:
 Hi,

 but where is the original search buttom? I don't like the google
 special search here:(

I also agree that wiki search is missing, and I would put a search
button somewhere on the top.

 I've removed it in favour of the google one. I thought two search
 areas could be confusing.

 What do the others think?


 @Mojca: could you update the custom google search to the new logo?

Done, but please delete the gray line below the logo.

(slightly more than 12 hours since I finally came home, still didn't
catch for the lack of sleep :)

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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Alan Stone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Patrick Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Hi,

 Missing the wiki-only search feature though.

 OK, you're number two. I'll think about it.

 Here's why Patrick: a wiki being a source of documentation, that's where I
 look for next
 when not finding something in the paper manuals and texshow. If I don't find
 it there,
 digging deeper through the mailing archive is useful. Having everything
 mixed up through
 one google search blurb is oftentimes confusing due to the lack of
 structure.

You can choose to only search the wiki pages with google.

 - A clearly visible (colored ?) banner or link on top of the main page
 saying something like If you're new to ConTeXt, click here to get started
 fast... which redirects to the main page Getting Started section might be
 useful.

 - http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals
 The Minimals are an attempt to provide the same functionality as the current
 Pragma's minimal ConTeXt distributions in the zip files. Etc...

 This is quite confusing for a newbie: If I install the ConTeXt Minimals,
 what will I be missing what's in the Pragma's minimal distribution ?

Hans has updated the zips on Pragma recently, so I'm not so sure any
more what's still missing.

 Better might be to say something like: In order to provide you the easiest
 and most current ConTeXt installation and updates, the ConTeXt Minimals are
 the recommended installation, or whatever else is currently most relevant.

They still don't work quite the way I would like them to work.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight?
 Perhaps you wanted

 \setuppapersize[S6][S6]

 \showframe
 \showsetups

 \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
   header=15pt,
   height=middle,
   footer=15pt,
   bottomspace=15pt,
   backspace=0pt,
   width=middle,
   cutspace=180pt]

 \starttext
 testing
 \stoptext

 Aditya


Although this isn't what I want, you'll notice none of the \showsetups
output values correspond to the \setuplayout settings.

What's missing to make this work ?

Best,
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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Stone wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and bottomheight?
 Perhaps you wanted

 \setuppapersize[S6][S6]

 \showframe
 \showsetups

move the previous line


 \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
   header=15pt,
   height=middle,
   footer=15pt,
   bottomspace=15pt,
   backspace=0pt,
   width=middle,
   cutspace=180pt]

 \starttext

to here

 testing
 \stoptext

 Aditya

 
 Although this isn't what I want, you'll notice none of the \showsetups
 output values correspond to the \setuplayout settings.
 
 What's missing to make this work ?
 
 Best,
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Re: [NTG-context] paragraphs in columns query

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Bowen wrote:
 I have set two paragraphs side by side using
 
 \defineparagraphs[TwoColumns] 
 [n=2,tolerance=verytolerant,before={\blank},after={\blank}]
 \setupparagraphs[TwoColumns][distance=1pc]
 
 One of the columns is the length of the page. How do I prevent the two  
 columns from starting a new page? Right now there is a large  
 whitespace on the preceding page. (This problem has been raised  
 before, but I have not yet found the answer.)
 
 Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

use \starttabulate ... instead


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Re: [NTG-context] disturbing the hyphenation mechanism

[Hans Hagen]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Just .. in case of bad luck you'll get this:
 
 
 \starttext
 \showframe
 
 \enableregime[utf]
 
 blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
 blablabla \penalty-500„\hskip-0.025em wondering
 
 \stoptext
 
 
  the line breaks after the quote mark ;o(
 
 No way to avoid this and yet keep the hyphenation?

blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
blablabla \allowbreak„\kern-0.025em wondering

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Re: [NTG-context] disturbing the hyphenation mechanism

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Am 27.08.2008 um 13:25 schrieb Hans Hagen:

 Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Just .. in case of bad luck you'll get this:


 \starttext
 \showframe

 \enableregime[utf]

 blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
 blablabla \penalty-500„\hskip-0.025em wondering

 \stoptext


  the line breaks after the quote mark ;o(

 No way to avoid this and yet keep the hyphenation?

 blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
 blablabla \allowbreak„\kern-0.025em wondering


There is no hyphenation! See:

\starttext
\showframe

\enableregime[utf]

blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
blablabla \allowbreak„\kern-0.025em wondering

blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
blablabl \allowbreak„\kern-0.025em wondering

blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
blablab \allowbreak„\kern-0.025em wondering

blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
blabla \allowbreak„\kern-0.025em wondering

blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
blabl \allowbreak„\kern-0.025em wondering

\stoptext





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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Mojca Miklavec]

Another request: can the photo please go to blog rather than being on
the first page of the wiki? (It's been fun, but I feel that promoting
Union on the first page is not the best idea :)

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Re: [NTG-context] mswincontext.zip

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:27 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All,

 A bit frustrated as I cannot seem to get a mswincontext scite combination 
 going. I gave up on: http://pragma-ade.com/context/install/mswintex.zip. I 
 got absolutely nowhere with the installation and trying to connect scite.

 So, I just downloaded:  http://pragma-ade.com/context/install/mswincontext.zip

 After extracting to c:\context, I ran the file first-setup.bat, which 
 proceeded to install a lot of files. Was this a correct thing to do?

Where did you get the first-setup.bat from? I assume that it
downloaded a copy of what you already had to some other directory.
It's not needed, but we need to fix some things in first-setup.bat
(and rename it).

 Strange, as the distribution size was already huge. It would really help to 
 have a readme.txt in this distribution with installation directions.

 After first-setup was complete, I ran cscite.bat. Scite opened. Good! I 
 entered the usual test file:

 \starttext
 Hello, World!
 \stoptext

 And saved as test.tex.

 Then I tried Tools-Compile, which resulted in this error mesage:

 texmfstart concheck test.tex
 ruby: no such file to load--ubygems (LoadError)

Apparetly a problem with ruby. Try to follow Idris' advice.

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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

Going back to my example (see below)...

Same observations, same questions.

Alan

\setuppapersize[S6][S6]

\setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
headerheight=15pt,
footerheight=15pt,
bottomheight=15pt,
leftedgewidth=0pt,
leftmarginwidth=0pt,
rightmarginwidth=0pt,
rightedgewidth=180pt]

\showframe
\showsetups

\starttext
testing
\stoptext


On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alan Stone wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and
 bottomheight?
  Perhaps you wanted
 
  \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
 
  \showframe
  \showsetups

 move the previous line

 
  \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
header=15pt,
height=middle,
footer=15pt,
bottomspace=15pt,
backspace=0pt,
width=middle,
cutspace=180pt]
 
  \starttext

 to here

  testing
  \stoptext
 
  Aditya
 
 
  Although this isn't what I want, you'll notice none of the \showsetups
  output values correspond to the \setuplayout settings.
 
  What's missing to make this work ?
 
  Best,
  Alan

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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Stone wrote:
 Going back to my example (see below)...
 
 Same observations, same questions.
 
 Alan
 
 \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
 
 \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
 headerheight=15pt,
 footerheight=15pt,
 bottomheight=15pt,

top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended

 leftedgewidth=0pt,
 leftmarginwidth=0pt,
 rightmarginwidth=0pt,
 rightedgewidth=180pt]
 
 \showframe
 \showsetups
 
 \starttext
 testing
 \stoptext
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Alan Stone wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and
 bottomheight?
 Perhaps you wanted

 \setuppapersize[S6][S6]

 \showframe
 \showsetups
 move the previous line

 \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
   header=15pt,
   height=middle,
   footer=15pt,
   bottomspace=15pt,
   backspace=0pt,
   width=middle,
   cutspace=180pt]

 \starttext
 to here

 testing
 \stoptext

 Aditya

 Although this isn't what I want, you'll notice none of the \showsetups
 output values correspond to the \setuplayout settings.

 What's missing to make this work ?

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Re: [NTG-context] disturbing the hyphenation mechanism

[Taco Hoekwater]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
 Just .. in case of bad luck you'll get this:
 
 
 \starttext
 \showframe
 
 \enableregime[utf]
 
 blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
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Re: [NTG-context] mswincontext.zip

[Hans Hagen]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All,
 
 A bit frustrated as I cannot seem to get a mswincontext scite combination 
 going. I gave up on: http://pragma-ade.com/context/install/mswintex.zip. I 
 got absolutely nowhere with the installation and trying to connect scite.

mswintex is just a zipped minimal

 So, I just downloaded:  http://pragma-ade.com/context/install/mswincontext.zip

that one has also scite, perl and ruby + some more

 After extracting to c:\context, I ran the file first-setup.bat, which 
 proceeded to install a lot of files. Was this a correct thing to do? Strange, 
 as the distribution size was already huge. It would really help to have a 
 readme.txt in this distribution with installation directions.

 After first-setup was complete, I ran cscite.bat. Scite opened. Good! I 
 entered the usual test file:
 
 \starttext
 Hello, World!
 \stoptext
 
 And saved as test.tex.

one option is to let setuptex be executed when you open a cmd prompt and 
then start scite from that (it's what i do here, since i do much on the 
console)

then scite knows in which env it lives

 Then I tried Tools-Compile, which resulted in this error mesage:
 
 texmfstart concheck test.tex
 ruby: no such file to load--ubygems (LoadError)

might be some conflict between the ruby in the zip and the installed 
one; this gems stuff overloads the 'require' function in an incompatible 
way (as idris suggested, get rid of gems)

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Taco Hoekwater]

Alan Stone wrote:
 Going back to my example (see below)...
 
 Same observations, same questions.

The names and values reported by showsetups are not 1-to-1 to
the arguments of \setuplayout. If you want to know what you
can use in \setuplayout, use any of the manuals, or texshow:

   http://texshow.contextgarden.net/command/detail/221

That said, it is a little confusing that the table from
\showsetups doesn't match up ...

Taco
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[NTG-context] ConTeXt an excursion — now in the CTK library

[Matija Šuklje]

Hullo,

I'm happy to announce that I took a printed copy of ConTeXt an excursion to 
the CTK [Central Technical Library] library in Ljubljana, Slovenia.

The librarian was at first shocked that someone donated a book to them, but 
then handled the case pretty well. It turned out she was quite familiar with 
LaTeX already and all its faults, so she found interest in reading the given 
book right after she processes it and adds it to the shelf.

I hope the book catches on in the library and ConTeXt gains a bit of 
recognition that way as well...


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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

That said, it is a little confusing that the table from
\showsetups doesn't match up ...

A little ???

Alan

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alan Stone wrote:
  Going back to my example (see below)...
 
  Same observations, same questions.

 The names and values reported by showsetups are not 1-to-1 to
 the arguments of \setuplayout. If you want to know what you
 can use in \setuplayout, use any of the manuals, or texshow:

   http://texshow.contextgarden.net/command/detail/221

 That said, it is a little confusing that the table from
 \showsetups doesn't match up ...

 Taco

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Re: [NTG-context] mswincontext.zip

[David Arnold]

Hans, Idris,

The only thing I know about Ruby is you used to install it in Windows  
so that Context thru Miktex would work. So, how do I get rid of the  
gems?

D.

On Aug 27, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All,

 A bit frustrated as I cannot seem to get a mswincontext scite  
 combination going. I gave up on: http://pragma-ade.com/context/ 
 install/mswintex.zip. I got absolutely nowhere with the  
 installation and trying to connect scite.

 mswintex is just a zipped minimal

 So, I just downloaded:  http://pragma-ade.com/context/install/ 
 mswincontext.zip

 that one has also scite, perl and ruby + some more

 After extracting to c:\context, I ran the file first-setup.bat,  
 which proceeded to install a lot of files. Was this a correct  
 thing to do? Strange, as the distribution size was already huge.  
 It would really help to have a readme.txt in this distribution  
 with installation directions.

 After first-setup was complete, I ran cscite.bat. Scite opened.  
 Good! I entered the usual test file:

 \starttext
 Hello, World!
 \stoptext

 And saved as test.tex.

 one option is to let setuptex be executed when you open a cmd  
 prompt and
 then start scite from that (it's what i do here, since i do much on  
 the
 console)

 then scite knows in which env it lives

 Then I tried Tools-Compile, which resulted in this error mesage:

 texmfstart concheck test.tex
 ruby: no such file to load--ubygems (LoadError)

 might be some conflict between the ruby in the zip and the installed
 one; this gems stuff overloads the 'require' function in an  
 incompatible
 way (as idris suggested, get rid of gems)

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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Stone wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Alan Stone wrote:
 Going back to my example (see below)...

 Same observations, same questions.

 Alan

 \setuppapersize[S6][S6]

 \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
 headerheight=15pt,
 footerheight=15pt,
 bottomheight=15pt,
 top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended
 
 
 Thanks Hans.
 
 - \showsetups output contains a lot of junk, a thorough cleaning would be
 utmost welcome

well, one can roll out his/her own -)

 - \showframe doesn't draw topspace and bottomspace
 
 - which \setuplayout parameters enable a space/blank area between
 the left/right page border and the left/right of leftedge/rightedge ?

leftedgedistance (which defaults to edgedistance)

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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alan Stone wrote:
  Going back to my example (see below)...
 
  Same observations, same questions.
 
  Alan
 
  \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
 
  \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
  headerheight=15pt,
  footerheight=15pt,
  bottomheight=15pt,

 top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended


Thanks Hans.

- \showsetups output contains a lot of junk, a thorough cleaning would be
utmost welcome

- \showframe doesn't draw topspace and bottomspace

- which \setuplayout parameters enable a space/blank area between
the left/right page border and the left/right of leftedge/rightedge ?

Alan


  leftedgewidth=0pt,
  leftmarginwidth=0pt,
  rightmarginwidth=0pt,
  rightedgewidth=180pt]
 
  \showframe
  \showsetups
 
  \starttext
  testing
  \stoptext
 
 
  On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Alan Stone wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  Where did you see topheight, headerheight, footerheight, and
  bottomheight?
  Perhaps you wanted
 
  \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
 
  \showframe
  \showsetups
  move the previous line
 
  \setuplayout[topspace=15pt,
header=15pt,
height=middle,
footer=15pt,
bottomspace=15pt,
backspace=0pt,
width=middle,
cutspace=180pt]
 
  \starttext
  to here
 
  testing
  \stoptext
 
  Aditya
 
  Although this isn't what I want, you'll notice none of the \showsetups
  output values correspond to the \setuplayout settings.
 
  What's missing to make this work ?
 
  Best,
  Alan

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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alan Stone wrote:
  On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Alan Stone wrote:
  Going back to my example (see below)...
 
  Same observations, same questions.
 
  Alan
 
  \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
 
  \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
  headerheight=15pt,
  footerheight=15pt,
  bottomheight=15pt,
  top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended
 
 
  Thanks Hans.
 
  - \showsetups output contains a lot of junk, a thorough cleaning would be
  utmost welcome

 well, one can roll out his/her own -)


I guess as long as one knows to what each parameter corresponds.  ;O)

Nevertheless, please say more about that.


  - which \setuplayout parameters enable a space/blank area between
  the left/right page border and the left/right of leftedge/rightedge ?

  - \showframe doesn't draw topspace and bottomspace

 leftedgedistance (which defaults to edgedistance)


left/rightedgedistance is documented elsewhere as being between
left/rightedge and left/rightmargin.

CanItBeAnyMoreConfusingText ?

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Re: [NTG-context] Some layout questions

[Taco Hoekwater]

Ulrich Dirr wrote:
 
 After defining a typescript (see comlete example attached) I want to use
 protrusion and expansion (I've followed the description in
 co-typography.pdf):
 
 \definetypeface[kievit][rm][sans][kievit][default][features=hz]
 \definetypeface[kievit][ss][sans][kievit][default][features=hz]
 \definetypeface[kievit][tt][mono][modern][default][rscale=1.12]
 \definetypeface[kievit][mm][math][iwona] [default][rscale=1.02]
 
 \usetypescript[kievit]
 \setupbodyfont[kievit,ss,10pt]
 \definefontfeature[default][default]
   [protrusion=pure,expansion=quality,mode=node,script=latn]

This line should read:

   \definefontfeature[hz][default]
 [prot

Afaics, everything else looks ok.

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: [NTG-context] paragraphs in columns query

[Alan Bowen]

Thanks, Hans. I have now tried

... preliminary text 
\starttabulate[|p|p|]
\NC
long paragraph A
\NC
long paragraph B
\NC\NR
\stoptabulate

on my setup (ConTeXt 2008.08.04 MK II) and on the wiki (ConTeXt  
2008.08.27 MK II).

On the wiki:
the  tabulated paragraphs do not follow upon the preliminary text  
immediately on the same page but start on their own page.

On my setup:
the  tabulated paragraphs do not follow upon the preliminary text  
immediately on the same page but start on their own page after some 22  
blank pages! (If I run ConTeXt again this number increases.) The  
entire document should be 6 pages long.

I am trying to update any version of ConTeXt---updates after  
2008.08.04 will not compile for some reason (I get format mismatch  
errors). So for now, if I could get this to work on the wiki that  
would be progress of sorts.

Alan

On Aug 27, 2008, at 07;33,00 , Hans Hagen wrote:

 Alan Bowen wrote:
 I have set two paragraphs side by side using

 \defineparagraphs[TwoColumns]
 [n=2,tolerance=verytolerant,before={\blank},after={\blank}]
 \setupparagraphs[TwoColumns][distance=1pc]

 One of the columns is the length of the page. How do I prevent the  
 two
 columns from starting a new page? Right now there is a large
 whitespace on the preceding page. (This problem has been raised
 before, but I have not yet found the answer.)

 Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

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[NTG-context] mswintex.zip versus mswincontext.zip

[David Arnold]

Hans et al,

For our students, I need to have Miktex and at least one of these  
distributions (mswintex.zip or mswincontext.zip) coexisting side by  
side.

I've got Miktex installed and working with the Texniccener IDE for  
student use.

Now, I need to get context and metapost working properly (no longer  
any mptopdf in the Miktex distro). Students don't deal well with DOS  
boxes and terminals at first (they can grow into them), so what I  
need is a scite icon on the desktop, that when clicked, will open and  
work (for context and metapost).

I had already loaded mswintex.zip on each machine in our lab, run  
first-setup.bat. I also installed Scite by downloading from the  
scintilla site. I finally figured out that you need to import context  
in the Globals, though (the http://pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/ 
mscite-p.pdf said it should work in user as well, which I could not  
get to work.

So, as I understand it now, the difference is the mswincontext.zip  
comes with perl and ruby, but we already have perl and ruby  
installed. If I get rid of the gems (how?) then I should be able to  
make progress?

What I need is students to have both scite and texniccenter running  
at the same time. What are my best options?

Thanks.

D.
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt an excursion — now in the CTK library

[Arthur Reutenauer]

It turned out she was quite familiar with 
 LaTeX already and all its faults, so she found interest in reading the given 
 book right after she processes it and adds it to the shelf.

  Fantastic!  I wonder if it was the same librarian who turn me down
yesterday when I showed up at 3:01 PM to return some books Mojca had
borrowed ;-)

 I hope the book catches on in the library and ConTeXt gains a bit of 
 recognition that way as well...

  Sure, let's hope so.  Having a printed book in a library is a great
way of attracting a different type of users.

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Re: [NTG-context] Numbered bookmarks in PDF

[Taco Hoekwater]

B. Tommy Jensen wrote:
 I am struggling a bit with numbered bookmarks in generated PDF files.
 
 In LaTex, the HyperRef package supports the option bookmarksnumbered =  
 true which
 adds the chapter numbers to the bookmark list.
 
 Does anybody know of a similar option in ConText? I have searched the
 \setupinteraction documentation, but haven't been able to locate anything  
 useful.

There is no core support for this (yet?)

 I have also tried the \bookmark command with reference to \headnumber, but  
 macro
 expansion does not take place.
 
 All hints are welcome!

(guessing)

   \expanded{\bookmark{\headnumber\space text}

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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Stone wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Alan Stone wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alan Stone wrote:
 Going back to my example (see below)...

 Same observations, same questions.

 Alan

 \setuppapersize[S6][S6]

 \setuplayout[topheight=15pt,
 headerheight=15pt,
 footerheight=15pt,
 bottomheight=15pt,
 top,header,footer,bottom etc no height/width appended

 Thanks Hans.

 - \showsetups output contains a lot of junk, a thorough cleaning would be
 utmost welcome
 well, one can roll out his/her own -)
 
 
 I guess as long as one knows to what each parameter corresponds.  ;O)
 
 Nevertheless, please say more about that.
 
 
 - which \setuplayout parameters enable a space/blank area between
 the left/right page border and the left/right of leftedge/rightedge ?
 - \showframe doesn't draw topspace and bottomspace
 leftedgedistance (which defaults to edgedistance)
 
 
 left/rightedgedistance is documented elsewhere as being between
 left/rightedge and left/rightmargin.

indeed, you have to see these dimensions outwards (so, margindistance, 
margin, edgedistance, edge ... these extend into the backspace or 
cutspace depending on left/right)

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Re: [NTG-context] A small bug in context/tex/setuptex

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You need to use $BASH_SOURCE instead.

I have always been using
source /path/to/tex/setuptex /path/to/tex

Thanks a lot for the pointer to solution. Arthur has just fixed it.
Please try if it works better now.

Mojca

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 OWNPATH does not work properly because $0 does not do what you think
 when a file is sourced. See:
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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Taco Hoekwater]

Alan Stone wrote:
 
 CanItBeAnyMoreConfusingText ?

 From left to right, you have:

   (left)edge
   (left)edgedistance
   (left)margin
   (left)margindistance
   width
   (right)margindistance
   (right)margin
   (right)edgedistance
   (right)edge

The location of all this on the paper is defined by backspace, which
gives the distance between the appropriate (left or right) edge of the
text width and the physical paper edge.

Similar logic applies in the vertical direction. \showlayout will
give the current values and keys (put it after \starttext, it generates 
four pages of typeset information).  I am somewhat confused myself as to
why this is generally considered to  be so confusing.

In vertical mode, it goes like this

top
topdistance
header
headerdistance
textheight
footerdistance
footer
bottomdistance
bottom

height sets up the dimension that controls the inner five areas
(header ... footer). topspace is the distance between the vertical
top edge of the paper and the top of header.

You can put \showlayout after \starttext. It will generate four pages
of settings (because of double-sided ness).

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] 'See also' entries in register

[Duncan Hothersall]

No response to this - can I ask, is this a case of a bug in a mkII 
feature that is replaced in mkIV so isn't worth fixing? Understandable 
if so, just wanted to check...

Duncan

I wrote:

 \starttext
 I wish I was going to the ConTeXt\index{ConTeXt} meeting this year to 
 enjoy all the fun\seeindex{ConTeXt}{also fun}.
 \placeindex
 \stoptext

 I get output like this:

 -- 
 I wish I was going to the ConTeXt meeting this year to enjoy all the fun.

 c
 ConTeXt
see also fun 1
 -- 

 But I want this:

 --I wish I was going to the ConTeXt meeting this year to enjoy all the 
 fun.

 c
 ConTeXt 1
see also fun
 -- 


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Re: [NTG-context] mswincontext.zip

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Hi David,

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:33:22 -0600, David Arnold  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The only thing I know about Ruby is you used to install it in Windows
 so that Context thru Miktex would work. So, how do I get rid of the
 gems?

 From memory:

1. Uninstall Ruby completely;

2. Reinstall and choose custom install if that is available;

3. Uncheck the RubyGems option;

That's it!

setuptex.bat and the scripts that depend on it (like cscite.bat and my  
npp.bat) should work now.

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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

Thanks Taco.

I am somewhat confused myself as to why this is generally considered to  be
so confusing.

What's most confusing are the:

- wiki layout explanation at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout
- \showsetups output
- excursion manual, table 33.2 page 74
- main manual page 24
- \setuplayout texshow page

each one listing the same thing similarly or differently using either
arguments, parameters
and/or variables, the latter of which for the most have nothing to do with
the \setuplayout
arguments ( or are these parameters, or variables ? )

Best,
Alan

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Taco Hoekwater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alan Stone wrote:
 
  CanItBeAnyMoreConfusingText ?

  From left to right, you have:

   (left)edge
   (left)edgedistance
   (left)margin
   (left)margindistance
   width
   (right)margindistance
   (right)margin
   (right)edgedistance
   (right)edge

 The location of all this on the paper is defined by backspace, which
 gives the distance between the appropriate (left or right) edge of the
 text width and the physical paper edge.

 Similar logic applies in the vertical direction. \showlayout will
 give the current values and keys (put it after \starttext, it generates
 four pages of typeset information).  I am somewhat confused myself as to
 why this is generally considered to  be so confusing.

 In vertical mode, it goes like this

top
topdistance
header
headerdistance
textheight
footerdistance
footer
bottomdistance
bottom

 height sets up the dimension that controls the inner five areas
 (header ... footer). topspace is the distance between the vertical
 top edge of the paper and the top of header.

 You can put \showlayout after \starttext. It will generate four pages
 of settings (because of double-sided ness).

 Best wishes,
 Taco

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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Alan Stone]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 indeed, you have to see these dimensions outwards (so, margindistance,
 margin, edgedistance, edge ... these extend into the backspace or
 cutspace depending on left/right)


Ahaa. I'm beginning to understand.

Meanwhile found the underneath document, which seems to be the most
corresponding
( though incomplete compared to pg 24 of the main manual )

Shows a page layout in half size
http://levana.de/context/layout/testlay.pdf

Thanks all,
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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,


 Meanwhile found the underneath document, which seems to be the most
 corresponding
 ( though incomplete compared to pg 24 of the main manual )

 Shows a page layout in half size
 http://levana.de/context/layout/testlay.pdf

made with

http://modules.contextgarden.net/t-layout

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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Mohamed Bana]

Aditya Mahajan adityam at umich.edu writes:

 
 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page_New
 
 If everyone agrees with the new design, I will replace the current main 
 page.
 
 Aditya
 

Hi,

I like it.

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Re: [NTG-context] Fwd: disturbing the hyphenation mechanism

[Steffen Wolfrum]

yep, thanks friends!


Am 27.08.2008 um 15:12 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Wolfgang Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [NTG-context] disturbing the hyphenation mechanism
 To: Steffen Wolfrum [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Steffen Wolfrum
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just .. in case of bad luck you'll get this:


 \starttext
 \showframe

 \enableregime[utf]

 blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
 blablabla \penalty-500„\hskip-0.025em wondering

 \stoptext


 ... the line breaks after the quote mark ;o(

 No way to avoid this and yet keep the hyphenation?

 \starttext
 \showframe

 \enableregime[utf]

 blablabla blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blabla
 blablabla „\penalty\plustenthousand\hskip-0.025em wondering

 blablabla l blablablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla blablabla  
 blabla
 blablabla „\penalty\plustenthousand\hskip-0.025em wondering

 \stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] mswintex.zip versus mswincontext.zip

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,

Don't know whether it is already answered or not, but if you have to run
scite.bat from mswincontext folder, not first-setup.bat. It should work out
of the box. First of all, build format files (Oprtions or Tools menu, don't
remember exactly), and then press F7 each time you compile a document.

Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

 Missing the wiki-only search feature though.

 OK, you're number two. I'll think about it.

 Here's why Patrick: a wiki being a source of documentation, that's where I
 look for next
 when not finding something in the paper manuals and texshow. If I don't find
 it there,
 digging deeper through the mailing archive is useful. Having everything
 mixed up through
 one google search blurb is oftentimes confusing due to the lack of
 structure.

But the wiki search really sucks. Search for example for 'my Way': no
matches found.

I'd like to have a solution where we only have one search box (google)
which only searches the wiki by default. @Mojca: can this be done?

 Also, when a newbie reads texshow-web (s)he doesn't have a clue what
 that means.

 Jano Kula suggested to rename it to reference or sth. like that.
 I'll do so.

 Reference of what ?

of all commands. It is better then texshow(-web). Other suggestions?

 - live context  - Try out ConTeXt online
 - download - Download the ConTeXt application
 - download area   -  Download examples, 3rd party modules, articles,
 MyWay reports, ...

Way too long to fit into the left box!

 Some other ideas...

 - A clearly visible (colored ?) banner or link on top of the main page
 saying something like If you're new to ConTeXt, click here to get started
 fast... which redirects to the main page Getting Started section might be
 useful.

See Aditya's suggestion. Would this be OK?

 - http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals
 The Minimals are an attempt to provide the same functionality as the current
 Pragma's minimal ConTeXt distributions in the zip files. Etc...

They will be renamed to either distribution or official
distribution and the only supported way of installing context.

 This is quite confusing for a newbie: If I install the ConTeXt Minimals,
 what will I be missing what's in the Pragma's minimal distribution
 ?

This is absolutely true. Because of this we will remove the part
minimals from the name.

Thanks a lot for your suggestions!


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Re: [NTG-context] Still confused about \setuplayout

[Taco Hoekwater]

Alan Stone wrote:
 - \showsetups output
 The \setuplayout parameters are in column one, the query-ing macros
 are in column four. These are correct.
 
 
 Good to finally know what corresponds to what. It might be useful to put
 a label mentioning these at the top of both columns.
 
 What do you mean by query-ing macros Taco ?

You can do e.g.

   \externalfigure[cow][width=\textwidth]

where \textwidth resolves to the current value of 'textwidth', etc.

The commands allow you to query values, while \setuplayout sets values.

Best wishes,
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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Alan Stone]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Patrick Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Reference of what ?

 of all commands. It is better then texshow(-web). Other suggestions?


Then commands reference, instead of reference.

 - live context  - Try out ConTeXt online
  - download - Download the ConTeXt application
  - download area   -  Download examples, 3rd party modules, articles,
  MyWay reports, ...

 Way too long to fit into the left box!


Make the box wider and/or spread the text over more than one line.

If impossible, wiki also sucks regarding this feature.  ;O)

  Some other ideas...
 
  - A clearly visible (colored ?) banner or link on top of the main page
  saying something like If you're new to ConTeXt, click here to get
 started
  fast... which redirects to the main page Getting Started section might
 be
  useful.

 See Aditya's suggestion. Would this be OK?


The only way to know is to test it and observe whether newbies ask questions
or complain,
then adapt if required.

Best,
Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Numbered bookmarks in PDF

[Hans Hagen]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
 B. Tommy Jensen wrote:
 I am struggling a bit with numbered bookmarks in generated PDF files.

 In LaTex, the HyperRef package supports the option bookmarksnumbered =  
 true which
 adds the chapter numbers to the bookmark list.

 Does anybody know of a similar option in ConText? I have searched the
 \setupinteraction documentation, but haven't been able to locate anything  
 useful.
 
 There is no core support for this (yet?)
 
 I have also tried the \bookmark command with reference to \headnumber, but  
 macro
 expansion does not take place.

 All hints are welcome!
 
 (guessing)
 
\expanded{\bookmark{\headnumber\space text}

since bookmarks do use lists the info is there but mkii bookmarks are 
not going to be extended; you have to wait for the mkiv overhaul

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] 'See also' entries in register

[Hans Hagen]

Duncan Hothersall wrote:
 No response to this - can I ask, is this a case of a bug in a mkII 
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 if so, just wanted to check...

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[NTG-context] context meeting

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

I really enjoyed myself at last weeks's meeting. Mojca and friends have 
done a great job. In addition to a filled up program we had a wonderful 
day going around Slovenia (incredibly silent outside the facilities and 
a sky full of stars, something impossible in nl), terrific bonfires, 
texies walking on ropes between trees, the highest density of laptops 
per tex conference, one of the most relaxed tex conference 
wrapups/endings ever, and ... there are already suggestions floating 
around for up to three locations for context meetings after next year 
(2009 will most likely be in delft, nl).

During the conference a few things came up that are worth noticing

- the minimals are a hit, they work, are used and we have installers for 
each platform; there are ideas on how to improve things further.

- it will be possible to update upcoming tex lives with the minimals 
(norbert implemented the infrastructure for this and the minimal 
maintainers will set up a package generator); this means that we have 
nicely isolated distributions (reference implementations) as well as 
perfect integration in the mainstream distribution

- the wiki will get an upgrade;some ideas already get implemented but 
more will happen

- there are interesting and ambitious ideas with regards to math (and 
related fonts), so you can expect something in that area the upcoming years

- there is a set if tutorials by willi and aditya that was tried out 
during this conference and which will be perfected so that in the future 
we have a nice beginners package (although some topics went beyond the 
beginners level   and are of use for more experienced users as well); 
other presentations given can be turned into tutorials as well (like 
those on making presentations)

- those present were either already using mkiv or were willing to change 
from mkii to mkiv soon; as a consequence the group agreed on a 
functional freeze for mkii (apart from bug fixes and simple extensions); 
   this will make development easier

I probably forget a few things so others might correct me ...

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] paragraphs in columns query

[Alan Bowen]

Hans—

Here is the text that produces the problem on the wiki (pdfTeX/MKII  
option).


\starttext
adeo aberratum est, ut C. Caesar pontifex maximus suo III et M.\  
Aemilii Lepidi consulatu, quo retro delictum corrigeret, duos menses  
intercalarios dierum LXVII in mensem Novembrem et Decembrem  
interponeret, cum iam mense Februario dies III et XX intercalasset,  
faceretque eum annum dierum XLV, simul providens in futurum, ne  
iterum erraretur: nam intercalario mense sublato annum civilem ad  
solis cursum formavit. Itaque diebus CCCLV addidit decem, quos per  
septem menses, qui dies undetricenos habebant, ita discriberet, ut  
Januario et Sextili et Decembri bini accederent, ceteris singuli;  
eosque dies extremis partibus mensium adposuit, ne scilicet religiones  
sui cuiusque mensis a loco summoverentur. Quapropter nunc cum in  
septem mensibus dies singuli et triceni sint, quattuor tamen illi ita  
primitus instituti eo dinoscuntur, quod nonas habent septimanas,  
ceteri tres omnes alii reliqui quintanas.~[{\em De die nat}.\ 20.8||10]

\starttabulate[|p|p|]
\NC
\noindent Things had deviated so much that Gaius Caesar, as \hbox{\em  
pontifex} {\em maximus} in his third consulship and that of M.\  
Aemilius Lepi\-dus, in order to correct the past mistake, inserted  
between the months of November and December two intercalary months of  
67 days, since he had already intercalated 23 days in the month of  
February, and made that a year of 445 days, at the same time taking  
care that the mistake would not be repeated in future; for with the  
intercalary month done away with, he shaped the civil year to the  
course of the sun. And so to the 355 days he added 10, which he  
distributed through the seven months which had 29 days as follows: two  
days were added to January, Sextilis, and December, and one to the  
others; and he placed these days at the ends of the months, evidently  
so that the religious ceremonies of each month might not be moved from  
their place. Therefore now, although there are 31 days in seven  
months, nevertheless four are distinguished by this feature of the  
original tradition, that they have the Nones on the seventh day, while  
the other three remaining ones have them on the fifth.

\NC
\noindent Things got so bad that Julius Caesar, when he was {\em  
pontifex max\-imus}, during his third consulship, which he shared with  
M.\ Aemilius Lepidus, in order to correct the accumlated errors, had  
to insert two intercalary months with a total of 67 days between  
November and December, even though he had already made the usual  
addition of 23 days in February, adding up to a total of 445 days for  
that year. At the same time he made sure that the problem would not  
return in the future, for he removed the additional month from the  
calendar and made the civil year conform to the course of the sun. He  
added 10 days to the old 355, dividing them up among the seven months  
that had 29 days. January, Sextilis [August], and December got two,  
the others (April, June, September, November) got one. He added these  
days at the end of each month, so that the religious festivals would  
not be moved from their usual places in the month. That is why to this  
day we have seven months with 31 days, but we can recognize the four  
which were set up in the ancient system by the fact they have the  
Nones on the seventh day, but the other three long months and all the  
short months have them on the fifth. [Parker, 47]	

\NC\NR
\stoptabulate

Of late my own approach to translation has been consciously to seek to  
replicate the sentence structures of the original Latin or Greek,  
however long or compressed or contorted they may seem to our English  
eyes. The often awkward structures of the original are a window into  
the minds and mental processes of the ancient (and let us not forget,  
foreign) writers. Thucydides and Tacitus, for instance, are not  
particularly easy \quote{reads} in the original, and I personally  
prefer to allow modern readers to gain a sense of the sometimes  
difficult structures that they use but which most modern translations  
attempt to smooth out into something more accessible to our ways of  
thinking and reading. The more we read like them, I tell myself, the  
more we may think like them and so ultimately appreciate how they saw  
the world around them. In a world where most of our students in  
Classics are devoid of Latin and Greek, exposure to the ancient modes  
of thought and expression increases in importance.


\stoptext

You will see that the columns “play nice” with text that follows, but  
not with text that precedes.


Alan
On Aug 27, 2008, at 13;06,01 , Hans Hagen wrote:


Alan Bowen wrote:

Thanks, Hans. I have now tried

 preliminary text 
\starttabulate[|p|p|]
\NC
long paragraph A
\NC
long paragraph B
\NC\NR
\stoptabulate

on my setup (ConTeXt 2008.08.04 MK II) and on the wiki (ConTeXt
2008.08.27 MK II).

Re: [NTG-context] \placefigure not centering

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14:26AM +0200, Marcin Borkowski napisa#322;(a):
 Why this does not center the figure horizontally?  What should I do to
 center it?
 
 \placefigure{none}{
   \starttikzpicture[scale=0.3]
 \draw (0,0) -- (5,0) -- (4.5,6) -- (1.5,6) -- cycle;
   \stoptikzpicture
 }
 
 I discovered that using combinations with 1*1 helps, but this is a
 dirty trick;).  (Also, none as a label does not work with combinations
 - is it a bug or a feature?)

OK, so I'm answering myself.  The problem is (I guess so at least) that
the second parameter somehow gets typeset as a paragraph - that is,
with full paragraph's width (=width of the whole column).  Since nothing
is said about centering, it is flush left.  This helps:

\placefigure{none}{\hbox{
  \starttikzpicture[scale=0.5]
\draw (0,0) -- (5,0) -- (4.5,6) -- (1.5,6) -- cycle;
  \stoptikzpicture
}}

Maybe it's not very clean, but it seems to work.  If anyone has a
cleaner (more ConTeXt-way-ish solution), I'd be thankful for a hint.

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[NTG-context] Bug in \startitemize?

[Marcin Borkowski]

Hi!

And again, I have a problem with itemizations.  This won't work:

\startitemize
\item aaa
\item bbb
  \startitemize[packed,joinedup]
  \item xxx
  \item yyy
  \item zzz
  \stopitemize
\item ccc
\stopitemize

More precisely, the joinedup option does not work in the inner
itemization.  Replacing [packed,joinedup] with
[packed,joinedup,columns,two] helps - but I don't want two columns...

And another problem, connected with this one: is there a joineddown
option, symmetrical to joinedup?

Thanks in advance

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[NTG-context] Some Progress on Installing mswincontext.zip

[David Arnold]

All,

As Idris and Hans expected, Ruby was the culprit. I had installed  
Ruby before downloading mswincontext.zip, as that was what I used to  
do in the old days with a Miktex installation.


After following exactly these directions:  http:// 
blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/173018


Scite now works on context documents.

I tried to add metapost.properties to the global with import  
metapost. I can Build a file, but the Go command does not work  
because I don't have gv installed. So I opened metapost.properties  
and tried changing the gv command to gsview32 (and even tried c: 
\Program Files\ghostgum\gsview\gsview32.exe), but neither worked.


Any suggestions how I can get the go command to work?

Secondly, what would I do to compile a metapost file in scite  
directly into PDF? I am aware of context way with processMPbuffer and  
other assorted tricks, and I am aware of mptopdf, but what I am  
looking for is to configure Scite to compile the metapost file and  
open it in acrobat reader.


Here is the test file I am trying to compile.

beginfig(1);

numeric u; 10u=4in;
drawdblarrow (-5u,0)--(5u,0);
drawdblarrow (0,-5u)--(0,5u);

endfig;

end.

David Arnold
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Mathematics Department
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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2008-08-27 um 11:26 schrieb Flavien Lambert:

  - live context
  - download
  - download area


 Could you suggest some other names? I always have a hard time thinking
 of some.

 Hello guys, what about In-line ConTeXt for live context ?


I'd stay with Live ConTeXt (or ConTeXt live) - the live idiom is  
very common, e.g. for Linux CDs.
Maybe a newbie expects a CD for trying, but it says try me.


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Re: [NTG-context] Reorganization of the main page

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2008-08-27 um 10:48 schrieb Patrick Gundlach:

 but where is the original search buttom? I don't like the google
 special search here:(

 I've removed it in favour of the google one. I thought two search
 areas could be confusing.

 What do the others think?

Mostly I only want to search the wiki and not everything about ConTeXt.


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[NTG-context] Problem with MkIV and tikz

[Marcin Borkowski]

Hi,

I've got yet another problem with ConTeXt...  I was using MkII and
\usemodule[tikz].  Everything went smoothly until I tried MkIV; it can't
find the tikz module.

What I did was:

1. I installed the ConTeXt minimals.
2. I downloaded pgf from sourceforge and unpacked it somewhere in the
   context tree.
3. I ran texhash so that the file database got rebuilt.
4. For MkII, this was enough.
5. But then, I wanted to use an earlier advice on fonts in MkIV and
   switched to platino (=pagella).
6. Although pagella works fine, ConTeXt no longer finds the tikz module.

Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong?

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Re: [NTG-context] Problem with MkIV and tikz

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 09:27:36PM +0200, Marcin Borkowski napisa#322;(a):
 Hi,
 
 I've got yet another problem with ConTeXt...  I was using MkII and
 \usemodule[tikz].  Everything went smoothly until I tried MkIV; it can't
 find the tikz module.
 
 What I did was:
 
 1. I installed the ConTeXt minimals.
 2. I downloaded pgf from sourceforge and unpacked it somewhere in the
context tree.
 3. I ran texhash so that the file database got rebuilt.
 4. For MkII, this was enough.
 5. But then, I wanted to use an earlier advice on fonts in MkIV and
switched to platino (=pagella).
 6. Although pagella works fine, ConTeXt no longer finds the tikz module.
 
 Does anyone have any idea what I am doing wrong?

So sorry...  I found it.  Obviously, I didn't do luatools --generate.

BTW: can a link to the wiki page on Mark_IV be added to the new main
page?

Greets

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Re: [NTG-context] \placefigure not centering

[Hans Hagen]

Marcin Borkowski wrote:
 Dnia Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14:26AM +0200, Marcin Borkowski napisa#322;(a):
 Why this does not center the figure horizontally?  What should I do to
 center it?

 \placefigure{none}{
   \starttikzpicture[scale=0.3]
 \draw (0,0) -- (5,0) -- (4.5,6) -- (1.5,6) -- cycle;
   \stoptikzpicture
 }

 I discovered that using combinations with 1*1 helps, but this is a
 dirty trick;).  (Also, none as a label does not work with combinations
 - is it a bug or a feature?)
 
 OK, so I'm answering myself.  The problem is (I guess so at least) that
 the second parameter somehow gets typeset as a paragraph - that is,
 with full paragraph's width (=width of the whole column).  Since nothing
 is said about centering, it is flush left.  This helps:
 
 \placefigure{none}{\hbox{
   \starttikzpicture[scale=0.5]
 \draw (0,0) -- (5,0) -- (4.5,6) -- (1.5,6) -- cycle;
   \stoptikzpicture
 }}
 
 Maybe it's not very clean, but it seems to work.  If anyone has a
 cleaner (more ConTeXt-way-ish solution), I'd be thankful for a hint.

often

  \placefigure{none}{\dontleavehmode
\starttikzpicture[scale=0.5]
  \draw (0,0) -- (5,0) -- (4.5,6) -- (1.5,6) -- cycle;
\stoptikzpicture
  }

works as well; the second ars to placefigure goes into a vbox

Hans


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[NTG-context] setting mode in ctx-file

[Peter Münster]

Hello,

How can I set a mode in a ctx-file? I would like to pass such a file to
context --ctx=file ...

If further modes are passed with --mode=..., these modes should not replace
the mode in the ctx-file, but should be added.

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[NTG-context] problem with setupexternalfigures

[Peter Münster]

Hello,

In the following example, the image is always taken from d1:

% engine=luatex
\setupexternalfigures[directory=d1]
\setupexternalfigures[directory={d2,\currentvalue}] % does not seem to work
\starttext
\externalfigure[image]
\stoptext

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[NTG-context] Problems with itemization, continued

[Marcin Borkowski]

Hi, it's me again...

I managed to finish my first serious ConTeXt project (in fact, it was
a two-page math test for my wife, who teaches maths;)).

But I encountered quite a few problems with itemizations.  To sum it up,
I've prepared a minimal sample file illustrating them.  Here it is:

= cut here =
\def\testitemize#1#2#3{{\bf #1}\par
\startitemize #2
\item plplplpl
\item plplplpl
  \startitemize #3
  \item plplplpl
  \item plplplpl
  \item plplplpl
  \item plplplpl
  \item plplplpl
  \stopitemize
\item plplplpl
\stopitemize
{\bf Blah, blah.}
\page}

\starttext

\testitemize{Default values.  Works fine.}
{}{}

\testitemize{Different numbering.  Results in overfull hboxes---???}
{}{[a][left=(,right=),stopper=]}

\testitemize{Outer one packed.  Inner one gets also packed---is this
ok???}
{[packed]}{}

\testitemize{Inner one packed.  Works fine.}
{}{[packed]}

\testitemize{Both packed.  Works fine.}
{[packed]}{[packed]}

\testitemize{Inner one joinedup.  Works as packed---???}
{}{[joinedup]}

\testitemize{Inner one packed and joinedup.  Works as packed---???}
{}{[packed,joinedup]}

\testitemize{Outer one joinedup.  Does this imply packed?}
{[joinedup]}{}

\testitemize{Inner one twocolumn.  Why is this packed, too?}
{}{[columns]}

\testitemize{Inner one 2-col and joinedup.  What about the space
  {\em after} the inner one?}
{}{[joinedup,columns]}

\testitemize{Outer one twocolumn.  packed implied???}
{[columns]}{}

\testitemize{Outer one 2-col. and joinedup.  packed implied (?), apart
  from that fine.}
{[joinedup,columns]}{}

\stoptext
= cut here =

Most cases are wrong (or at least strange)---each page with at least one
question mark is something I can't understand.

Which ones are bugs and which ones are features?  What to do to overcome
these problems?

Also, I've noticed that the [intro] option does not _prohibit_ page
break---is that ok?  The manual (or wiki, I can't remember) says it
_discourages_ it---but shouldn't it prohibit it completely?

And one more: what is the difference between \page[yes] and
\page[makeup]?  I didn't notice any.

Hope you don't get fed up with me, folks...  I promise to put some
answers on the wiki soon (during the next few days).  Maybe I'll even
post a complete working file as a sample...  I hope that all my
questions (and your answers;)) will lead to a better typesetting tool...

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[NTG-context] passing dimensions to metapost

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

Hi all,

cleaning up the code in my module, I run into a very interesting  
problem. I want to pass a user-defined value to Metapost. Until now,  
the value scale had to be numeric, and I used it like this:

draw fullcircle scaled \MPvar{scale}mm

and Metapost was happy, and I was too. Now Aditya made the reasonable  
suggestion that users should be allowed to input any dimension and not  
be restricted to mm. Easy enough. However, I also want a fallback  
just in case they input a number, in that case, I want to fall back to  
mm as a default. So I tried (after Taco's excellent explanation on the  
wiki):

\expandafter\processaction\expandafter[\CVERscale]%
  [\v!unknown={\doifdimensionelse%
{\CVERscale}%
{\setupMPvariables[CircleSomething][scale=\CVERscale]}%
{\doifnumberelse%
{\CVERscale}%
{\newdimen\CIscale \global\CIscale=\CVERscale mm  
{\setupMPvariables[CircleSomething][scale=\the\CIscale]}}%
{\setupMPvariables[CircleSomething][scale=10mm\relax]%
   \message{Please give a proper value for the scale 
argument!,
   \v!default={\setupMPvariables[CircleSomething][scale=10mm 
\relax]}]


So what I want: first check if \CVERscale is a dimension; if it is,  
assign it to the scale parameter. If it isn't, check if it is a  
number; if this is the case, append the unit mm to it and put it  
into a dimension register. If it isn't a number either, make the value  
sufficiently absurd for the user to realize and write a message to the  
terminal. This is all fine and dandy and works, sort of: it works  
perfectly with dimensions, but when I try with a number as input, it  
doesn't fall back to the unit mm, but to pt, AFAICS. That's nice  
too, but I have no clue why, and I would prefer mm. If it helps, I can  
try to give you a minimal test file tomorrow, but maybe somebody spots  
what I'm doing wrong? (I tried both with mkii and mkiv, and always get  
the same result.)

All best

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] mswincontext.zip

[geoff . moyle]

I found all my gems problems were coming from an environment variable which
pointed to rubygems. After I deleted it all the probs went away. You will
nedd to search using set as I have forgotten the variable

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Idris Samawi Hamid
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Hi David,

 On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:33:22 -0600, David Arnold
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The only thing I know about Ruby is you used to install it in Windows
  so that Context thru Miktex would work. So, how do I get rid of the
  gems?

  From memory:

 1. Uninstall Ruby completely;

 2. Reinstall and choose custom install if that is available;

 3. Uncheck the RubyGems option;

 That's it!

 setuptex.bat and the scripts that depend on it (like cscite.bat and my
 npp.bat) should work now.

 Best wishes
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