[NTG-context] Re: Optical scaling in Latin Modern
On Tue, 2023-08-15 at 18:22 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 8/15/2023 5:33 PM, Hamid,Idris wrote:
>
>
> > so [\s!designsize=\s!auto] means there is no explicit call to
lmroman8-regular etc.? Interesting..
>
>
> check the lfg file ...
On that note, there seems to be an inconsistency in the design size
selection:
\setupbodyfont[modern-designsize,12pt]
\starttext
This text is typeset in LMRoman12.\par
{\tfa This text should be typeset in LMRoman12 but LMRoman10
is being used instead.}
\stoptext
If I understand the font selection algorithm well, the font that will
be picked is the first font whose associated size is greater than or
equal to the requested size. If there is no such font the default is
used instead.
So, since in lm.lfg LMRoman12 is associated to 12pt, any text in a
higher size will be typeset using the default LMRoman10.
I understand that the default font should remain what it is since it
used when design sizes are disabled (using the typescript ‘modern’ and
not ‘modern-designsize’).
So, LMRoman12 should probably be associated to the biggest possible
value rather than 12pt (16383pt?).
Does that make sense?
Thanks,
Vincent
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[NTG-context] Re: Optical scaling in Latin Modern
Ah, the goodies files.. Got it and thanks for the clarifications. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 On Aug 15, 2023, 10:22 AM -0600, Hans Hagen , wrote: ** Caution: EXTERNAL Sender ** On 8/15/2023 5:33 PM, Hamid,Idris wrote: so [\s!designsize=\s!auto] means there is no explicit call to lmroman8-regular etc.? Interesting.. check the lfg file ... ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Optical scaling in Latin Modern
On 8/15/2023 5:33 PM, Hamid,Idris wrote: so [\s!designsize=\s!auto] means there is no explicit call to lmroman8-regular etc.? Interesting.. check the lfg file ... Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Optical scaling in Latin Modern
On Aug 15, 2023, 8:56 AM -0600, Hans Hagen , wrote:
> afaik mkiv always had modern as default an dnot the designsize
> typescript (after all, we only have math 10pt)
From font-pre.mkiv:
%D By default we load the Computer Modern Roman fonts (but
%D not yet at this moment) and activate the 12pt roman
%D bodyfont.
-)
> well, in type-imp-latinmodern.mkiv i can find 'designsize' ... you're
> not relying on some gpt driven search machine are you?
No just the search files feature in Notepad++ -)
Ok, looking at type-imp-latinmodern.mkiv, under latin-modern-designsize, I see
references to design weights and styles but not to optical sizes. So no
lmroman5-regular, lmroman6-regular... lmroman17-regular. There is only
reference to lmroman10, which is why my initial search came up with no results.
Ah, the abstraction happens here I think:
\definetypeface [\typescriptone] [\s!rm] [\s!serif] [latin-modern-designsize]
[\s!default] [\s!designsize=\s!auto]
so [\s!designsize=\s!auto] means there is no explicit call to lmroman8-regular
etc.? Interesting..
Ok, let's try it:
===
\setupbodyfont[modern-designsize]
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
Test {\tfa Test} {\tfb Test} {\tfc Test} {\tfd Test} {\tfx Test} {\tfxx Test}
\stopTEXpage
===
Now we get
===
mkiv lua stats > loaded fonts: 4 files: latinmodern-math.otf,
lmroman10-regular.otf, lmroman12-regular.otf, lmroman8-regular.otf
===
So three optical sizes are implemented. But there should be more, e.g., \tfd
should use lmroman17-regular etc.
>>> (likely we will go for \enableexperiments[fonts.compact] anyway which is
>>> also more efficient)
>>Ok, that would be very helpful; many thanks.
> it might process your arabic a bit faster
Ah, great. Am looking forward to learning how to
\enableexperiments[fonts.compact] etc. once it's implemented.
Best wishes
Idris
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Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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[NTG-context] Re: Optical scaling in Latin Modern
On 8/15/2023 4:35 PM, Hamid,Idris wrote: But for sure ConTeXt used to load lmroman12-regular (or the computer-modern 12 pt) by default. So things have changed.. afaik mkiv always had modern as default an dnot the designsize typescript (after all, we only have math 10pt) well you can load the design size typescript Ok, where is that design size typescript? A search for, e.g., lmroman8-regular etc. in texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv yields no results, so it must be defined at some higher level of abstraction.. well, in type-imp-latinmodern.mkiv i can find 'designsize' ... you're not relying on some gpt driven search machine are you? (likely we will go for \enableexperiments[fonts.compact] anyway which is also more efficient) Ok, that would be very helpful; many thanks. it might process your arabic a bit faster Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Optical scaling in Latin Modern
On Aug 15, 2023, 8:09 AM -0600, Hans Hagen , wrote: > yes, but there are also typescript that define the sizes (made more > sense on low res printers) .. the current defaults have been so for many > years (so the fact that you didn't notice ...) Maybe I forgot about it.. I seem to remember a very long time ago some experiments with typescripts for computer-modern opticals, before latin modern became default (it's all foggy now..) But for sure ConTeXt used to load lmroman12-regular (or the computer-modern 12 pt) by default. So things have changed.. > well you can load the design size typescript Ok, where is that design size typescript? A search for, e.g., lmroman8-regular etc. in texmf-context/tex/context/base/mkiv yields no results, so it must be defined at some higher level of abstraction.. > (likely we will go for \enableexperiments[fonts.compact] anyway which is > also more efficient) Ok, that would be very helpful; many thanks. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Re: Optical scaling in Latin Modern
On 8/15/2023 3:56 PM, Hamid,Idris wrote:
Dear gang,
It seems that ConTeXt does not currently implement optical scaling for Latin
Modern -- at least not by default. For example:
===
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
Test {\tfa Test} {\tfb Test} {\tfc Test} {\tfd Test} {\tfx Test} {\tfxx Test}
\stopTEXpage
===
In the log we have
===
mkiv lua stats > loaded fonts: 2 files: latinmodern-math.otf,
lmroman10-regular.otf
===
Is this behavior intentional? The needed sizes are certainly available
(/texmf/fonts/data/gust/lm).
yes, but there are also typescript that define the sizes (made more
sense on low res printers) .. the current defaults have been so for many
years (so the fact that you didn't notice ...)
these sizes are mostly for math and we have a 10pt lm math with built in
scritp and scriptscript
This issue came up while trying to test/implement something else. Although
Computer Modern / Latin Modern is perhaps hardly popular for contemporary
publication work, a full implementation of the full palette of optical sizes is
still useful as a benchmark, etc.
well you can load the design size typescript
(likely we will go for \enableexperiments[fonts.compact] anyway which is
also more efficient)
Hans
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