RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[john.matteson]

I’m just up the street in Bethlehem. Since I’m a work from home person, I don’t 
have to drive anywhere. 

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Melvin Backus
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 2:11 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

Lawrenceville – In an area the size of Atlanta, what are the odds.  I might 
well be driving past you every day going to work. :)

 

 

 

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Erik Goldoff
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 1:39 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

I'm up in Gwinnett (Duluth), what part of town are you in ?

 

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com 
<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com> > wrote:

The offer’s good to you as well, or anyone else on the list for that matter. If 
you’re in or passing through, any excuse for a brew is a good excuse. :)  (As 
if there’s ever really a need for one)

 

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
] On Behalf Of Erik Goldoff
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:28 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

cool, another in the ATL :D

 

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com 
<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com> > wrote:

My condolences on your current position. I highly recommend you find other 
employment, unless of course you enjoy that level of abuse, in which case, 
you’ve obviously found exactly the right place.  I realized there are places 
that operate in the mode you’ve described. I’m also aware there are many more 
that do not. Usually the ones that do tend to have an extremely high turnover 
rate because of it.  Of course that’s all just my experience, your mileage may 
vary.  

 

Feel free stop by if you’re in the Atlanta area and we can have a brew and 
discuss the matter to no end if you like. :)

 

 

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
] On Behalf Of john.matte...@gmail.com <mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 11:18 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the 
building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment from 
management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is exactly 
what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that are half 
way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking up the phone 
on the drive home.

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of john.matte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond scum 
as far as management goes when things are going right. When the environment 
blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability and management is 
looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel the axe on their necks.

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Melvin Backus
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something like 
20 unfilled cybersecurity j

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[john.matteson]

You are very correct. They walked me out with two deputies as escort. And less 
than a year later, they were no more, gone the way of the dodo bird and Enron.

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:28 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

…and as long as you’ve planned for it, this is a good thing. You don’t have to 
work those two weeks!

 

Saves a lot of trouble in packing, too.

 

Seriously… if you are in that kind of nasty environment you should get out. It 
isn’t good for your health.

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of john.matte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 11:18 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the 
building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment from 
management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is exactly 
what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that are half 
way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking up the phone 
on the drive home.

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of john.matte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond scum 
as far as management goes when things are going right. When the environment 
blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability and management is 
looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel the axe on their necks.

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Melvin Backus
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something like 
20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2 
qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster than 
the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career ending 
event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably understand 
that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly heretofore unknown 
things.

 

How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.

 

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com 
<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> >
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have nothing to 
do with your own personal actions.

 

InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.




Regards,

 ASB 

 

 

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com> > wrote:

More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending event, 
even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit. 

 

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com 
<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com> > wrote:

Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. :)

 

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com 
<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> >
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

There are always more prob

Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

I think that really depends on your environment, your working relationship
with your boss, and how you give your notice.  I've quit some jobs
immediately, while others I have given 3-4 week notice to allow my employer
to find a suitable replacement.

Whichever way you choose to do it; you should be prepared for an immediate
lack of employment.  You should always be covering your own ass, and not
relying on the charity of those who are employing you.  No matter how nice
they are or seem to be, you are not their financial priority or
responsibility.

--
Espi


On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:18 AM, <john.matte...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the
> building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment
> from management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Kennedy, Jim
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is
> exactly what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that
> are half way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking
> up the phone on the drive home.
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *
> john.matte...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond
> scum as far as management goes when things are going right. When the
> environment blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability
> and management is looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel
> the axe on their necks.
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Melvin
> Backus
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something
> like 20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2
> qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster
> than the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career
> ending event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably
> understand that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly
> heretofore unknown things.
>
>
>
> How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Andrew S.
> Baker
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have
> nothing to do with your own personal actions.
>
>
>
> InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>  *ASB*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending
> event, even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com>
> wrote:
>
> Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. J
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Buff
> *Sent:* Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> There are always more problems:
>
> https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-
> how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> But wai

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Melvin Backus]

Lawrenceville – In an area the size of Atlanta, what are the odds.  I might 
well be driving past you every day going to work. J



--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Erik Goldoff
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 1:39 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

I'm up in Gwinnett (Duluth), what part of town are you in ?

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Melvin Backus 
<melvin.bac...@byers.com<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com>> wrote:
The offer’s good to you as well, or anyone else on the list for that matter. If 
you’re in or passing through, any excuse for a brew is a good excuse. ☺  (As if 
there’s ever really a need for one)

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] 
On Behalf Of Erik Goldoff
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:28 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

cool, another in the ATL :D

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Melvin Backus 
<melvin.bac...@byers.com<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com>> wrote:
My condolences on your current position. I highly recommend you find other 
employment, unless of course you enjoy that level of abuse, in which case, 
you’ve obviously found exactly the right place.  I realized there are places 
that operate in the mode you’ve described. I’m also aware there are many more 
that do not. Usually the ones that do tend to have an extremely high turnover 
rate because of it.  Of course that’s all just my experience, your mileage may 
vary.

Feel free stop by if you’re in the Atlanta area and we can have a brew and 
discuss the matter to no end if you like. ☺


--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] 
On Behalf Of john.matte...@gmail.com<mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 11:18 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the 
building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment from 
management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is exactly 
what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that are half 
way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking up the phone 
on the drive home.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of 
john.matte...@gmail.com<mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond scum 
as far as management goes when things are going right. When the environment 
blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability and management is 
looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel the axe on their necks.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Melvin Backus
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something like 
20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2 
qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster than 
the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career ending 
event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably understand 
that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly heretofore unknown 
things.

How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don

Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Erik Goldoff]

I'm up in Gwinnett (Duluth), what part of town are you in ?

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com>
wrote:

> The offer’s good to you as well, or anyone else on the list for that
> matter. If you’re in or passing through, any excuse for a brew is a good
> excuse. J  (As if there’s ever really a need for one)
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Erik Goldoff
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 12:28 PM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> cool, another in the ATL :D
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com>
> wrote:
>
> My condolences on your current position. I highly recommend you find other
> employment, unless of course you enjoy that level of abuse, in which case,
> you’ve obviously found exactly the right place.  I realized there are
> places that operate in the mode you’ve described. I’m also aware there are
> many more that do not. Usually the ones that do tend to have an extremely
> high turnover rate because of it.  Of course that’s all just my experience,
> your mileage may vary.
>
>
>
> Feel free stop by if you’re in the Atlanta area and we can have a brew and
> discuss the matter to no end if you like. J
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *john.matte...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 11:18 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the
> building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment
> from management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Kennedy,
> Jim
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is
> exactly what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that
> are half way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking
> up the phone on the drive home.
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *
> john.matte...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond
> scum as far as management goes when things are going right. When the
> environment blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability
> and management is looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel
> the axe on their necks.
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Melvin
> Backus
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something
> like 20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2
> qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster
> than the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career
> ending event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably
> understand that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly
> heretofore unknown things.
>
>
>
> How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Andrew S.
> Baker
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> Sur

Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[D R]

What? You were given 10 minutes?

They were pretty lax, if you ask me.

I saw one guy give his 2 week notice and then he was walked directly out
from his manager's office to the door. There was no '10 minutes'. More like
10 seconds.

Daniel

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com>
wrote:

> The offer’s good to you as well, or anyone else on the list for that
> matter. If you’re in or passing through, any excuse for a brew is a good
> excuse. J  (As if there’s ever really a need for one)
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Erik Goldoff
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 12:28 PM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> cool, another in the ATL :D
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com>
> wrote:
>
> My condolences on your current position. I highly recommend you find other
> employment, unless of course you enjoy that level of abuse, in which case,
> you’ve obviously found exactly the right place.  I realized there are
> places that operate in the mode you’ve described. I’m also aware there are
> many more that do not. Usually the ones that do tend to have an extremely
> high turnover rate because of it.  Of course that’s all just my experience,
> your mileage may vary.
>
>
>
> Feel free stop by if you’re in the Atlanta area and we can have a brew and
> discuss the matter to no end if you like. J
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *john.matte...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 11:18 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the
> building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment
> from management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Kennedy,
> Jim
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is
> exactly what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that
> are half way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking
> up the phone on the drive home.
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *
> john.matte...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond
> scum as far as management goes when things are going right. When the
> environment blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability
> and management is looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel
> the axe on their necks.
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Melvin
> Backus
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something
> like 20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2
> qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster
> than the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career
> ending event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably
> understand that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly
> heretofore unknown things.
>
>
>
> How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Andrew S.

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Melvin Backus]

The offer’s good to you as well, or anyone else on the list for that matter. If 
you’re in or passing through, any excuse for a brew is a good excuse. J  (As if 
there’s ever really a need for one)

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Erik Goldoff
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:28 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

cool, another in the ATL :D

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Melvin Backus 
<melvin.bac...@byers.com<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com>> wrote:
My condolences on your current position. I highly recommend you find other 
employment, unless of course you enjoy that level of abuse, in which case, 
you’ve obviously found exactly the right place.  I realized there are places 
that operate in the mode you’ve described. I’m also aware there are many more 
that do not. Usually the ones that do tend to have an extremely high turnover 
rate because of it.  Of course that’s all just my experience, your mileage may 
vary.

Feel free stop by if you’re in the Atlanta area and we can have a brew and 
discuss the matter to no end if you like. ☺


--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] 
On Behalf Of john.matte...@gmail.com<mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 11:18 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the 
building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment from 
management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is exactly 
what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that are half 
way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking up the phone 
on the drive home.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of 
john.matte...@gmail.com<mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond scum 
as far as management goes when things are going right. When the environment 
blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability and management is 
looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel the axe on their necks.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Melvin Backus
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something like 
20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2 
qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster than 
the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career ending 
event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably understand 
that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly heretofore unknown 
things.

How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have nothing to 
do with your own personal actions.

InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.


Regards,

 ASB



On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link 
<jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending event, 
even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit.

On 

Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Erik Goldoff]

cool, another in the ATL :D

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com>
wrote:

> My condolences on your current position. I highly recommend you find other
> employment, unless of course you enjoy that level of abuse, in which case,
> you’ve obviously found exactly the right place.  I realized there are
> places that operate in the mode you’ve described. I’m also aware there are
> many more that do not. Usually the ones that do tend to have an extremely
> high turnover rate because of it.  Of course that’s all just my
> experience, your mileage may vary.
>
>
>
> Feel free stop by if you’re in the Atlanta area and we can have a brew and
> discuss the matter to no end if you like. J
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *john.matte...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 11:18 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the
> building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment
> from management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Kennedy,
> Jim
> *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is
> exactly what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that
> are half way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking
> up the phone on the drive home.
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *
> john.matte...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond
> scum as far as management goes when things are going right. When the
> environment blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability
> and management is looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel
> the axe on their necks.
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Melvin
> Backus
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
> *To:* ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something
> like 20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2
> qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster
> than the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career
> ending event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably
> understand that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly
> heretofore unknown things.
>
>
>
> How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
> myitforum.com <listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] *On Behalf Of *Andrew S.
> Baker
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have
> nothing to do with your own personal actions.
>
>
>
> InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>  *ASB*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending
> event, even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com>
> wrote:
>
> Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. J
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Michael B. Smith]

…and as long as you’ve planned for it, this is a good thing. You don’t have to 
work those two weeks!

Saves a lot of trouble in packing, too.

Seriously… if you are in that kind of nasty environment you should get out. It 
isn’t good for your health.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of john.matte...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 11:18 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the 
building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment from 
management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is exactly 
what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that are half 
way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking up the phone 
on the drive home.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of 
john.matte...@gmail.com<mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond scum 
as far as management goes when things are going right. When the environment 
blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability and management is 
looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel the axe on their necks.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Melvin Backus
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something like 
20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2 
qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster than 
the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career ending 
event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably understand 
that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly heretofore unknown 
things.

How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have nothing to 
do with your own personal actions.

InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.


Regards,

 ASB



On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link 
<jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending event, 
even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus 
<melvin.bac...@byers.com<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com>> wrote:
Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. ☺

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] 
On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

There are always more problems:

https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
<asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
But wait!   There's more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ


​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​


Regards,

 ASB


On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff 
<kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of the 

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Melvin Backus]

My condolences on your current position. I highly recommend you find other 
employment, unless of course you enjoy that level of abuse, in which case, 
you’ve obviously found exactly the right place.  I realized there are places 
that operate in the mode you’ve described. I’m also aware there are many more 
that do not. Usually the ones that do tend to have an extremely high turnover 
rate because of it.  Of course that’s all just my experience, your mileage may 
vary.

Feel free stop by if you’re in the Atlanta area and we can have a brew and 
discuss the matter to no end if you like. J


--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of john.matte...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 11:18 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the 
building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment from 
management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is exactly 
what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that are half 
way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking up the phone 
on the drive home.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of 
john.matte...@gmail.com<mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond scum 
as far as management goes when things are going right. When the environment 
blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability and management is 
looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel the axe on their necks.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Melvin Backus
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something like 
20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2 
qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster than 
the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career ending 
event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably understand 
that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly heretofore unknown 
things.

How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have nothing to 
do with your own personal actions.

InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.


Regards,

 ASB



On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link 
<jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending event, 
even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus 
<melvin.bac...@byers.com<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com>> wrote:
Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. ☺

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] 
On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

There are always more problems:

https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[john.matteson]

And ten minutes after you’ve given your notice, you’re marched out of the 
building by two security goons, or the local constabulary with the comment from 
management, “We’ll pack your things and ship them to you.”

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 8:56 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is exactly 
what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that are half 
way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking up the phone 
on the drive home.

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of john.matte...@gmail.com 
<mailto:john.matte...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond scum 
as far as management goes when things are going right. When the environment 
blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability and management is 
looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel the axe on their necks.

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Melvin Backus
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> 
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something like 
20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2 
qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster than 
the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career ending 
event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably understand 
that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly heretofore unknown 
things.

 

How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.

 

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com 
<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> >
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have nothing to 
do with your own personal actions.

 

InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.




Regards,

 ASB 

 

 

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com> > wrote:

More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending event, 
even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit. 

 

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com 
<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com> > wrote:

Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. :)

 

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com 
<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> >
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

There are always more problems:

https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg

 

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com 
<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com> > wrote:

But wait!   There's more...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ

 

 

​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​




Regards,

 ASB 

 

 

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of the 
management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at least 
shouldn't, affect system performance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware

That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to power, 
even though putatively "off", the management engine is available. That is, if 
it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME is usually not 
active in consumer-grade computers.

But, 

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Kennedy, Jim]

It matters to management when you give your 2 week notice, which is exactly 
what I would do if they treated me as you described. Any of us that are half 
way decent can find a new better higher paying gig just by picking up the phone 
on the drive home.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of john.matte...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:23 AM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond scum 
as far as management goes when things are going right. When the environment 
blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability and management is 
looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel the axe on their necks.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Melvin Backus
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something like 
20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2 
qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster than 
the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career ending 
event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably understand 
that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly heretofore unknown 
things.

How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have nothing to 
do with your own personal actions.

InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.


Regards,

 ASB



On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link 
<jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending event, 
even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus 
<melvin.bac...@byers.com<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com>> wrote:
Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. ☺

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] 
On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

There are always more problems:

https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
<asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
But wait!   There's more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ


​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​


Regards,

 ASB


On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff 
<kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of the 
management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at least 
shouldn't, affect system performance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware
That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to power, 
even though putatively "off", the management engine is available. That is, if 
it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME is usually not 
active in consumer-grade computers.
But, if it's present and turned on, then it's pretty risky:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/
But there's some hope, of a sort - Google is on the case:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-management-engine-intel,35876.html
Kurt

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
<asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
No wonder our machines don't seem as fast as we think they *could* be... 
They're busy running more stuff than we thought:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/

The security implications are also pretty staggering...

Regards,

 ASB




[Image removed by sender.]

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[john.matteson]

Since when does that matter to management? We’re all barely evolved pond scum 
as far as management goes when things are going right. When the environment 
blows up due to a zero day, or an undiscovered vulnerability and management is 
looking for retribution, IT people are the first to feel the axe on their necks.

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Melvin Backus
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 1:01 PM
To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something like 
20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2 
qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster than 
the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career ending 
event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably understand 
that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly heretofore unknown 
things.

 

How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.

 

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com 
<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> >
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have nothing to 
do with your own personal actions.

 

InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.




Regards,

 ASB 

 

 

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com 
<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com> > wrote:

More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending event, 
even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit. 

 

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com 
<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com> > wrote:

Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. :)

 

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>  
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com <mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com 
<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com> >
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

 

There are always more problems:

https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg

 

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com 
<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com> > wrote:

But wait!   There's more...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ

 

 

​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​




Regards,

 ASB 

 

 

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of the 
management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at least 
shouldn't, affect system performance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware

That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to power, 
even though putatively "off", the management engine is available. That is, if 
it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME is usually not 
active in consumer-grade computers.

But, if it's present and turned on, then it's pretty risky:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/

But there's some hope, of a sort - Google is on the case:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-management-engine-intel,35876.html

Kurt

 

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com 
<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com> > wrote:

No wonder our machines don't seem as fast as we think they *could* be... 
They're busy running more stuff than we thought:

 

http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/

 

The security implications are also pretty staggering...

Regards,

 ASB 

 

 

 

 

  
<https://my-email-signature.link/signature.gif?u=162639=13791714=7975870bc76bdc7c79b2d58cdfb91e073b6d44ef6b8306b92a5cf8598e0753bb>
 

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Melvin Backus]

And if the current stats are even close to accurate there are something like 
20 unfilled cybersecurity jobs at the moment with only about 2 
qualified people to fill them, and the unfilled numbers are growing faster than 
the qualified people.  That would lead me to think that the ‘career ending 
event’ would actually be a gateway to a new job where they probably understand 
that you can’t possibly catch everything, particularly heretofore unknown 
things.

How’s that saying go?  You can’t know what you don’t know.

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 11:43 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have nothing to 
do with your own personal actions.

InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.


Regards,

 ASB



On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link 
<jonathan.l...@gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending event, 
even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus 
<melvin.bac...@byers.com<mailto:melvin.bac...@byers.com>> wrote:
Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. ☺

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com>] 
On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

There are always more problems:

https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
<asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
But wait!   There's more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ


​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​


Regards,

 ASB


On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff 
<kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of the 
management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at least 
shouldn't, affect system performance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware
That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to power, 
even though putatively "off", the management engine is available. That is, if 
it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME is usually not 
active in consumer-grade computers.
But, if it's present and turned on, then it's pretty risky:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/
But there's some hope, of a sort - Google is on the case:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-management-engine-intel,35876.html
Kurt

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
<asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
No wonder our machines don't seem as fast as we think they *could* be... 
They're busy running more stuff than we thought:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/

The security implications are also pretty staggering...

Regards,

 ASB




[https://my-email-signature.link/signature.gif?u=162639=13791714=7975870bc76bdc7c79b2d58cdfb91e073b6d44ef6b8306b92a5cf8598e0753bb]

Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Andrew S. Baker]

Sure, but there are lots of ways to lose jobs -- many of which have nothing
to do with your own personal actions.

InfoSec currently lends itself more to employment than unemployment.

Regards,

 *ASB*



On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending
> event, even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit.
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. J
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>>
>>
>>
>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsadmin@lists.
>> myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Buff
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
>> *To:* ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>>
>>
>>
>> There are always more problems:
>>
>> https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-
>> how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> But wait!   There's more...
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  *ASB*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of
>> the management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at
>> least shouldn't, affect system performance.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware
>>
>> That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to
>> power, even though putatively "off", the management engine is available.
>> That is, if it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME
>> is usually not active in consumer-grade computers.
>>
>> But, if it's present and turned on, then it's pretty risky:
>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_
>> closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/
>>
>> But there's some hope, of a sort - Google is on the case:
>> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-
>> management-engine-intel,35876.html
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> No wonder our machines don't seem as fast as we think they *could* be...
>>They're busy running more stuff than we thought:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-
>> operating-system/
>>
>>
>>
>> The security implications are also pretty staggering...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  *ASB*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Jonathan Link]

More like job insecurity. Missing an exploit might be a career ending
event, even if it is heretofore an unknown exploit.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:54 AM Melvin Backus <melvin.bac...@byers.com>
wrote:

> Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. J
>
>
>
> --
> There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
>  those who understand binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:
> listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Buff
> *Sent:* Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
> *To:* ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU
>
>
>
> There are always more problems:
>
>
> https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> But wait!   There's more...
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ
>
>
>
>
>
> ​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​
>
>
> Regards,
>
>  *ASB*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of the
> management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at least
> shouldn't, affect system performance.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware
>
> That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to
> power, even though putatively "off", the management engine is available.
> That is, if it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME
> is usually not active in consumer-grade computers.
>
> But, if it's present and turned on, then it's pretty risky:
>
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/
>
> But there's some hope, of a sort - Google is on the case:
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-management-engine-intel,35876.html
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker <asbz...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> No wonder our machines don't seem as fast as we think they *could* be...
>They're busy running more stuff than we thought:
>
>
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/
>
>
>
> The security implications are also pretty staggering...
>
> Regards,
>
>  *ASB*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Melvin Backus]

Some call them opportunities, we in IT call them job security. J

--
There are 10 kinds of people in the world...
 those who understand binary and those who don't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

There are always more problems:

https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
<asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
But wait!   There's more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ


​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​


Regards,

 ASB


On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff 
<kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of the 
management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at least 
shouldn't, affect system performance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware
That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to power, 
even though putatively "off", the management engine is available. That is, if 
it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME is usually not 
active in consumer-grade computers.
But, if it's present and turned on, then it's pretty risky:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/
But there's some hope, of a sort - Google is on the case:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-management-engine-intel,35876.html
Kurt

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
<asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
No wonder our machines don't seem as fast as we think they *could* be... 
They're busy running more stuff than we thought:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/

The security implications are also pretty staggering...

Regards,

 ASB

RE: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[David McSpadden]

Stop you guys are scary the children!
It’s enough that the NSA is leaking data and blaming it on Virus scanning 
software companies.
Now you guys have the all seeing eye putting backdoor code in every processor 
in all things on the interwebs.
How are we supposed to sleep at night??
;-)


From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 11:34 AM
To: ntsysadm <ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

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There are always more problems:

https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
<asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
But wait!   There's more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ


​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​


Regards,

 ASB


On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff 
<kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of the 
management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at least 
shouldn't, affect system performance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware
That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to power, 
even though putatively "off", the management engine is available. That is, if 
it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME is usually not 
active in consumer-grade computers.
But, if it's present and turned on, then it's pretty risky:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/
But there's some hope, of a sort - Google is on the case:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-management-engine-intel,35876.html
Kurt

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
<asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
No wonder our machines don't seem as fast as we think they *could* be... 
They're busy running more stuff than we thought:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/

The security implications are also pretty staggering...

Regards,

 ASB



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Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Kurt Buff]

There are always more problems:

https://www.thezdi.com/blog/2017/10/04/vmware-escapology-how-to-houdini-the-hypervisor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRemWLNBSZg

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> But wait!   There's more...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ
>
>
> ​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​
>
> Regards,
>
>  *ASB*
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
>> The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of
>> the management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at
>> least shouldn't, affect system performance.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware
>>
>> That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to
>> power, even though putatively "off", the management engine is available.
>> That is, if it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME
>> is usually not active in consumer-grade computers.
>>
>> But, if it's present and turned on, then it's pretty risky:
>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_clos
>> er_closer_listen_dump_ime/
>>
>> But there's some hope, of a sort - Google is on the case:
>> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-manag
>> ement-engine-intel,35876.html
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No wonder our machines don't seem as fast as we think they *could*
>>> be... They're busy running more stuff than we thought:
>>>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-ope
>>> rating-system/
>>>
>>> The security implications are also pretty staggering...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>  *ASB*
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Andrew S. Baker]

But wait!   There's more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrksBdWcZgQ


​(I see your "solution" and raise you two more problems)​

Regards,

 *ASB*


On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of the
> management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at least
> shouldn't, affect system performance.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware
>
> That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to
> power, even though putatively "off", the management engine is available.
> That is, if it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME
> is usually not active in consumer-grade computers.
>
> But, if it's present and turned on, then it's pretty risky:
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_
> closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/
>
> But there's some hope, of a sort - Google is on the case:
> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-
> management-engine-intel,35876.html
>
> Kurt
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
> wrote:
>
>> No wonder our machines don't seem as fast as we think they *could* be...
>>They're busy running more stuff than we thought:
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-ope
>> rating-system/
>>
>> The security implications are also pretty staggering...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  *ASB*
>>
>>
>

Re: [NTSysADM] OS in the CPU

[Kurt Buff]

The OS in question (minix), isn't in the main CPU - it's in the CPU of the
management engine, which is completely separate, and doesn't, or at least
shouldn't, affect system performance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology#Hardware

That actually makes it worse, since as long as the machine is connect to
power, even though putatively "off", the management engine is available.
That is, if it's been configured. This is an enterprise feature, so the ME
is usually not active in consumer-grade computers.

But, if it's present and turned on, then it's pretty risky:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/chipzilla_come_closer_closer_listen_dump_ime/

But there's some hope, of a sort - Google is on the case:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-removing-minix-management-engine-intel,35876.html

Kurt

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> No wonder our machines don't seem as fast as we think they *could* be...
>They're busy running more stuff than we thought:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/
>
> The security implications are also pretty staggering...
>
> Regards,
>
>  *ASB*
>
>