[nysbirds-l] FW: Livingston County Cinnamon Teal continues

[Kevin J. McGowan]

FYI

From: 'Wasilco, Mike R (DEC)' via Geneseebirds 
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Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Livingston County Cinnamon Teal continues

I don’t think I saw it reported on the statewide listserve yet that the male 
cinnamon teal first found last week is still present and has been a bit more 
cooperative since its rediscovery in the same location on Sunday.  The water 
levels in the fields along Groveland Flats Road (Rte 258) between SR 36 and SR 
63 are much lower than they were a week ago, and the birds are further 
concentrated by the current ice cover.  The cinnamon teal was present today at 
least until 130pm in the pocket of open water at the start of the taller corn 
stubble on the south side of the road just east of the westernmost bridge.  
There are hundreds of ducks massed in this opening and the edges of the ice so 
the bird moves in and out of view regularly.

Michael R. Wasilco
Regional Wildlife Manager, Division of Fish and Wildlife

New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
6274 E. Avon-Lima Rd., Avon, NY 14414
P: (585)226-5460 | F: (585) 226-6323 | 
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[nysbirds-l] FW: Livingston County Cinnamon Teal continues

[Kevin J. McGowan]

FYI

From: 'Wasilco, Mike R (DEC)' via Geneseebirds 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2022 2:35 PM
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Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Livingston County Cinnamon Teal continues

I don’t think I saw it reported on the statewide listserve yet that the male 
cinnamon teal first found last week is still present and has been a bit more 
cooperative since its rediscovery in the same location on Sunday.  The water 
levels in the fields along Groveland Flats Road (Rte 258) between SR 36 and SR 
63 are much lower than they were a week ago, and the birds are further 
concentrated by the current ice cover.  The cinnamon teal was present today at 
least until 130pm in the pocket of open water at the start of the taller corn 
stubble on the south side of the road just east of the westernmost bridge.  
There are hundreds of ducks massed in this opening and the edges of the ice so 
the bird moves in and out of view regularly.

Michael R. Wasilco
Regional Wildlife Manager, Division of Fish and Wildlife

New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
6274 E. Avon-Lima Rd., Avon, NY 14414
P: (585)226-5460 | F: (585) 226-6323 | 
mike.wasi...@dec.ny.gov

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Common Shelduck from Jamaica Bay several years ago

[Kevin J. McGowan]

That record does not come up on the NYSARC reports database page. 
https://nybirds.org/NYSARC/RecordsSummary.htm

I saw it 8 Sep 1995. I thought everyone agreed it was of captive origin, so 
perhaps no one submitted a NYSARC report?

Kevin


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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Common Shelduck from Jamaica Bay several years ago

Hi all.  Does anyone know if the Common Shelduck from Jamaica Bay was accepted 
or not?  It was seen in the early 2000's I think.  Just wondering.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Common Shelduck from Jamaica Bay several years ago

[Kevin J. McGowan]

That record does not come up on the NYSARC reports database page. 
https://nybirds.org/NYSARC/RecordsSummary.htm

I saw it 8 Sep 1995. I thought everyone agreed it was of captive origin, so 
perhaps no one submitted a NYSARC report?

Kevin


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From: bounce-126273346-85339...@list.cornell.edu 
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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 3:15 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Common Shelduck from Jamaica Bay several years ago

Hi all.  Does anyone know if the Common Shelduck from Jamaica Bay was accepted 
or not?  It was seen in the early 2000's I think.  Just wondering.

Andrew

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RE: [nysbirds-l] 2(!) Roseate Spoonbill - Nassau County 7/25 - GOOD or BAD?

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I don’t think the surge of juvenile Roseate Spoonbills hitting the NE has 
anything to do about habitat degradation in Florida. To the contrary, when 
large number of juvenile waders show up in the north, it usually means there 
has been a very good production year in the main part of the range and there 
are more young birds to wander to odd places.

I will be very interested to see if there are data on wading bird breeding in 
Florida this year. I predict that it was a good year for them.

Best,

Kevin

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Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 5:57 PM
To: Brendan Neil Fogarty ; NYSBIRDS-L 

Cc: 'Emily Peyton' ; 'Roger L Hammer' 

Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] 2(!) Roseate Spoonbill - Nassau County 7/25

I know it’s a thrill to see all of the spoonbills in these parts. But for the 
birds, it seems to be connected to habitat degradation ‘back home.’  Good news? 
Spoonbills may be more ready and able to move around and adapt than some other 
birds in response to stress conditions. Or so the writer below says.

Rick

https://flyinglessons.us/2019/06/13/spoonbills-flee-south-floridas-troubles-but-what-about-the-others/

From: 
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] 2(!) Roseate Spoonbill - Nassau County 7/25

Hi all,

Two troublesome spoonbills turned up today in Nassau. Check eBire for one seen 
by Russ and Lifang  in Cold Spring Harbor at the Saint John's Pond outflow. It 
was seen very briefly at 9:30 but not again since. Best vantage on the harbor 
is from the boat ramps and overlooks on the east side of the harbor in Suffolk 
County, the west side is the private Cold Spring Habor lab.

I am out with Stéphane Perrault and Tim Healy and we just came across another 
spoonbill on East Meadow Island just west of Masone Beach in Island Park. It is 
feeding along the south edge of the island near some egrets. Masone Beach would 
be a good vantage point but as I understand it, it is for people living in the 
Village of Island Park only, so I am not aware of any obvious access except by 
personal boat.

Our spoonbill is foraging now at 2:13 here (40.6105228, -73.6578647)

Best,
Brendan Fogarty
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RE: [nysbirds-l] 2(!) Roseate Spoonbill - Nassau County 7/25 - GOOD or BAD?

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I don’t think the surge of juvenile Roseate Spoonbills hitting the NE has 
anything to do about habitat degradation in Florida. To the contrary, when 
large number of juvenile waders show up in the north, it usually means there 
has been a very good production year in the main part of the range and there 
are more young birds to wander to odd places.

I will be very interested to see if there are data on wading bird breeding in 
Florida this year. I predict that it was a good year for them.

Best,

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY


From: bounce-125792554-85339...@list.cornell.edu 
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Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2021 5:57 PM
To: Brendan Neil Fogarty ; NYSBIRDS-L 

Cc: 'Emily Peyton' ; 'Roger L Hammer' 

Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] 2(!) Roseate Spoonbill - Nassau County 7/25

I know it’s a thrill to see all of the spoonbills in these parts. But for the 
birds, it seems to be connected to habitat degradation ‘back home.’  Good news? 
Spoonbills may be more ready and able to move around and adapt than some other 
birds in response to stress conditions. Or so the writer below says.

Rick

https://flyinglessons.us/2019/06/13/spoonbills-flee-south-floridas-troubles-but-what-about-the-others/

From: 
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mailto:bounce-125792445-3714...@list.cornell.edu>>
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To: NYSBIRDS-L mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>>
Subject: [nysbirds-l] 2(!) Roseate Spoonbill - Nassau County 7/25

Hi all,

Two troublesome spoonbills turned up today in Nassau. Check eBire for one seen 
by Russ and Lifang  in Cold Spring Harbor at the Saint John's Pond outflow. It 
was seen very briefly at 9:30 but not again since. Best vantage on the harbor 
is from the boat ramps and overlooks on the east side of the harbor in Suffolk 
County, the west side is the private Cold Spring Habor lab.

I am out with Stéphane Perrault and Tim Healy and we just came across another 
spoonbill on East Meadow Island just west of Masone Beach in Island Park. It is 
feeding along the south edge of the island near some egrets. Masone Beach would 
be a good vantage point but as I understand it, it is for people living in the 
Village of Island Park only, so I am not aware of any obvious access except by 
personal boat.

Our spoonbill is foraging now at 2:13 here (40.6105228, -73.6578647)

Best,
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Spoonbill Montezuma's Thruway Pool

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Timing of surge of spoonbills out of the south over the last month doesn’t fit 
with the storm.

Here are ebird reports for June:
https://ebird.org/map/rosspo1?neg=true=-100.76926532551144=31.833515337185677=-64.20676532551144=45.82328941682119=true=true=Z=on=6=6=cur=2021=2021

You can see a movement already.

Here are ebird reports for July:
https://ebird.org/map/rosspo1?neg=true=-130.14670673176144=23.68895634547458=-57.02170673176145=51.648127862764916=true=true=Z=on=7=7=cur=2021=2021

Look at that straight line of reports from Florida to New York! Amazing.

Pennsylvania had 4 spoonbills this week, 3 in one spot.

Was this just a really good year for spoonbill breeding in the southeast? And 
maybe for wading birds in general? The juvenile Yellow-crowned Night-Heron in 
Tompkins Co this month seems more than coincidental. Juvenile wading birds 
(egrets, herons, storks, etc) are known to wander widely in summer after they 
reach independence. I don’t know of any theories about what influences these 
movements. But, it is logical that the more young produced, perhaps above an 
average number (?), the more likely it would be for strays to end up in the 
north.

Amazing to have a juvenile Roseate Spoonbill at Montezuma NWR and Chenango 
River State Park in the same day! Both an hour from Ithaca. I was already 
committed to going south when the Montezuma report came in and didn’t have 
enough stamina to go see both.



Kevin

Kevin McGowan
Freeville

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Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 3:42 PM
To: Donna Lee Scott 
Cc: Dave K ; CAYUGABIRDS-L 

Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Spoonbill Montezuma's Thruway Pool

Wondering from our here in NM, diid these spoonbills get pushed to upstate by 
Elsa?

On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 11:42 AM Donna Lee Scott 
mailto:d...@cornell.edu>> wrote:
Still here by eagle sculpture.
Perched on big fallen tree. Easy to see.
Donna Scott
Lansing
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1 PM...feeding mid pool. Pond East of Eagle platform..has flown to 
Eaton Marsh and back again

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RE: [nysbirds-l] reported possible Anhinga in Verona

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Thanks. Joe Brin got Dennis Anderson to go out, and he confirmed it was a 
cormorant. :^(

Kevin

From: Judith Thurber 
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 3:40 PM
To: Kevin J. McGowan 
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] reported possible Anhinga in Verona

Brenda Best?  John Rogers?
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Kevin J. McGowan 
mailto:k...@cornell.edu>> wrote:

Got a message from a friend this morning:

"I received an email from a woman in Verona who insists she's observing an 
anhinga on the grounds of Turning Stone in Verona. She approached me in person 
a few weeks ago and I suggested it a cormorant and provided links to view. Last 
eve I received a message from her insisting it's still there. Do you know 
anyone who lives in that area who she could connect with to check it out? She's 
insistent."



Highly unlikely, of course, but birds do weird things. Anybody in that area who 
might check it out?



I missed an Anhinga in Ithaca 25 years ago, and am intrigued by the possibility 
of finally adding it to my NY list.



Kevin



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RE: [nysbirds-l] reported possible Anhinga in Verona

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Thanks. Joe Brin got Dennis Anderson to go out, and he confirmed it was a 
cormorant. :^(

Kevin

From: Judith Thurber 
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Brenda Best?  John Rogers?
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Kevin J. McGowan 
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Got a message from a friend this morning:

"I received an email from a woman in Verona who insists she's observing an 
anhinga on the grounds of Turning Stone in Verona. She approached me in person 
a few weeks ago and I suggested it a cormorant and provided links to view. Last 
eve I received a message from her insisting it's still there. Do you know 
anyone who lives in that area who she could connect with to check it out? She's 
insistent."



Highly unlikely, of course, but birds do weird things. Anybody in that area who 
might check it out?



I missed an Anhinga in Ithaca 25 years ago, and am intrigued by the possibility 
of finally adding it to my NY list.



Kevin



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[nysbirds-l] reported possible Anhinga in Verona

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Got a message from a friend this morning:

"I received an email from a woman in Verona who insists she's observing an 
anhinga on the grounds of Turning Stone in Verona. She approached me in person 
a few weeks ago and I suggested it a cormorant and provided links to view. Last 
eve I received a message from her insisting it's still there. Do you know 
anyone who lives in that area who she could connect with to check it out? She's 
insistent."



Highly unlikely, of course, but birds do weird things. Anybody in that area who 
might check it out?



I missed an Anhinga in Ithaca 25 years ago, and am intrigued by the possibility 
of finally adding it to my NY list.



Kevin



Kevin J. McGowan

Project Manager

Distance Learning in Bird Biology

Cornell Lab of Ornithology

159 Sapsucker Woods Road

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k...@cornell.edu<mailto:k...@cornell.edu<mailto:k...@cornell.edu%3cmailto:k...@cornell.edu>>

607-254-2452


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[nysbirds-l] reported possible Anhinga in Verona

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Got a message from a friend this morning:

"I received an email from a woman in Verona who insists she's observing an 
anhinga on the grounds of Turning Stone in Verona. She approached me in person 
a few weeks ago and I suggested it a cormorant and provided links to view. Last 
eve I received a message from her insisting it's still there. Do you know 
anyone who lives in that area who she could connect with to check it out? She's 
insistent."



Highly unlikely, of course, but birds do weird things. Anybody in that area who 
might check it out?



I missed an Anhinga in Ithaca 25 years ago, and am intrigued by the possibility 
of finally adding it to my NY list.



Kevin



Kevin J. McGowan

Project Manager

Distance Learning in Bird Biology

Cornell Lab of Ornithology

159 Sapsucker Woods Road

Ithaca, NY 14850

k...@cornell.edu<mailto:k...@cornell.edu<mailto:k...@cornell.edu%3cmailto:k...@cornell.edu>>

607-254-2452


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Re:[nysbirds-l] Yellow-Billed Magpie in Great Neck today

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Well, that's clearly a Yellow-billed Magpie. I'd say the chance of it being a 
wild vagrant is about zero. A nonmigratory species, separated by mountains and 
thousands of miles, turning up here is extremely unlikely.


JMHO


Kevin


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It would be extremely out of range if it was in fact a wild bird. The species 
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Re:[nysbirds-l] Yellow-Billed Magpie in Great Neck today

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Well, that's clearly a Yellow-billed Magpie. I'd say the chance of it being a 
wild vagrant is about zero. A nonmigratory species, separated by mountains and 
thousands of miles, turning up here is extremely unlikely.


JMHO


Kevin


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From: bounce-122962335-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:57 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Yellow-Billed Magpie in Great Neck today

My buddy, Dan Galimidi observed and photographed a yellow-billed magpie sitting 
on a telephone wire in Great Neck today between 3 and 4 PM.  A link to the 
photo posted to Facebook is here.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156079055974401=gm.281339845836710=3

It would be extremely out of range if it was in fact a wild bird. The species 
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Thanks!
Matt

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Dead crow in East Hampton ?

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Jane,

I’m glad you reached out. I hope you don’t get an outbreak of West Nile virus.

West Nile is hitting us again this summer in Ithaca. We’re pretty aggressive 
about testing any dead crows in the county, and the WNV positive crows are 
starting to pile up here. I hope it’s not as bad as last year, when it appears 
we lost half of our study population of American Crows.

Best,

Kevin


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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dead crow in East Hampton ?

Many thanks to all for your speedy answers. I spoke with the DEC office at 
Stony Brook and for now they don’t recommend any action or testing for only a 
few incidents, but if we see more they will want a report

Jane F. Ross, PhD
1112 Park Ave. New York, NY 10128
mobile:  917-992-6708






On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Joseph Bopp 
mailto:joseph.b...@nysed.gov>> wrote:
The best would be to call NY St. DEC Regional office in Stony Brook. If 
they feel it needs looking into, they would bring it to the wildlife pathology 
unit.I’m not sure what their phone number is or which number to call, but 
here is the website for the regional office.

https://www.dec.ny.gov/about/603.html<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dec.ny.gov%2Fabout%2F603.html=02%7C01%7C%7Ce55827bf3a614ce9dd4408d604642708%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636701225523570323=24XE6Bj09kQXi4SjkvYnfff0hgHbOBa9ZGkwSoEuXQ0%3D=0>

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Dead crow in East Hampton ?

An ailing crow has died in a friend’s  yard and I confess that I’m not sure 
what, if any, action should be  taken. If it suffered an illness (west Nile? )  
is it important to have it checked? It was one of 2 that seemed unwell this 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Dead crow in East Hampton ?

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Jane,

I’m glad you reached out. I hope you don’t get an outbreak of West Nile virus.

West Nile is hitting us again this summer in Ithaca. We’re pretty aggressive 
about testing any dead crows in the county, and the WNV positive crows are 
starting to pile up here. I hope it’s not as bad as last year, when it appears 
we lost half of our study population of American Crows.

Best,

Kevin


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From: bounce-122773183-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 On Behalf Of Jane Ross
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:12 PM
To: Joseph Bopp ; NYSBIRDS-L 

Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Dead crow in East Hampton ?

Many thanks to all for your speedy answers. I spoke with the DEC office at 
Stony Brook and for now they don’t recommend any action or testing for only a 
few incidents, but if we see more they will want a report

Jane F. Ross, PhD
1112 Park Ave. New York, NY 10128
mobile:  917-992-6708






On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Joseph Bopp 
mailto:joseph.b...@nysed.gov>> wrote:
The best would be to call NY St. DEC Regional office in Stony Brook. If 
they feel it needs looking into, they would bring it to the wildlife pathology 
unit.I’m not sure what their phone number is or which number to call, but 
here is the website for the regional office.

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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Dead crow in East Hampton ?

An ailing crow has died in a friend’s  yard and I confess that I’m not sure 
what, if any, action should be  taken. If it suffered an illness (west Nile? )  
is it important to have it checked? It was one of 2 that seemed unwell this 
morning. Not sure what became of the second one
Thanks for any advice,
Jane F. Ross, PhD
1112 Park Ave. New York, NY 10128
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[nysbirds-l] Fw: WESTERN Meadowlark - Armitage Road, Seneca County

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Within a few miles of Ruff and Reeve (Carncross Rd, Wayne Co) and American 
White Pelican (Montezuma NWR, Seneca Co).


I suspect this is of interest to the whole state-wide birding community.


I doubt I will get up to see them, but I wanted to get the word out.


Best,


Kevin


Kevin McGowan

Freeville



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Tessaglia-Hymes 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 5:39 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] WESTERN Meadowlark - Armitage Road, Seneca County

Just saw this come over my saved eBird alerts for Seneca County:

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44570322

Sincerely,
Chris T-H


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[nysbirds-l] Fw: WESTERN Meadowlark - Armitage Road, Seneca County

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Within a few miles of Ruff and Reeve (Carncross Rd, Wayne Co) and American 
White Pelican (Montezuma NWR, Seneca Co).


I suspect this is of interest to the whole state-wide birding community.


I doubt I will get up to see them, but I wanted to get the word out.


Best,


Kevin


Kevin McGowan

Freeville



From: bounce-122471416-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Christopher T. 
Tessaglia-Hymes 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 5:39 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] WESTERN Meadowlark - Armitage Road, Seneca County

Just saw this come over my saved eBird alerts for Seneca County:

https://ebird.org/view/checklist/S44570322

Sincerely,
Chris T-H


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Another Long Island Purple Gallinule (not chaseable)

[Kevin J. McGowan]

A Purple Gallinule was picked up a few weeks ago in Lowville, Lewis County, SE 
of Watertown. It responded well to rehab, and reportedly, is being driven to 
Florida for release.


Amazing.


Kevin


From: bounce-122284311-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Doug Gochfeld 

Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:56 PM
To: Shaibal Mitra
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Another Long Island Purple Gallinule (not chaseable)

There's an interesting paper dealing with just this effect here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289706654_Warmer_Summers_and_Drier_Winters_Correlate_with_More_Winter_Vagrant_Purple_Gallinules_Porphyrio_martinicus_in_the_North_Atlantic_Region
[https://i1.rgstatic.net/publication/289706654_Warmer_Summers_and_Drier_Winters_Correlate_with_More_Winter_Vagrant_Purple_Gallinules_Porphyrio_martinicus_in_the_North_Atlantic_Region/links/56953f8008ae3ad8e33d5b10/largepreview.png]

Warmer Summers and Drier Winters Correlate with More 
...
www.researchgate.net
Warmer Summers and Drier Winters Correlate with More Winter Vagrant Purple 
Gallinules ( Porphyrio martinicus ) in the North Atlantic Region



Good Birding and Vagrant Speculating!
-Doug Gochfeld



On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:52 AM Shaibal Mitra 
> wrote:
Wow, this is really amazing. The tight date range really looks like a discrete 
flight of some sort. If these were Summer Tanagers hitting those sites in mid 
April, we'd call it a slingshot. Is there any reason to think that southern 
populations of Purple Gallinule are undertaking long distance flights to the 
north in mid January?

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: 
bounce-122283698-11143...@list.cornell.edu
 
[bounce-122283698-11143...@list.cornell.edu]
 on behalf of Paul R Sweet [sw...@amnh.org]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Another Long Island Purple Gallinule (not chaseable)

A routine trip to collect salvaged birds from a Long Island rehabber yielded 
Long Island’s 3rd Purple Gallinule of the winter. This new specimen was picked 
up on 14 January in Rockville Centre and died 2 days later

As a reminder the other birds were 13 January Manorville, 16 January 
Southampton.

Details will be submitted to NYSARC

Paul Sweet
Collection Manager
Department of Ornithology
American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West at 79th Street
New York, NY 10024

Tel: 212 769 5780
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Another Long Island Purple Gallinule (not chaseable)

[Kevin J. McGowan]

A Purple Gallinule was picked up a few weeks ago in Lowville, Lewis County, SE 
of Watertown. It responded well to rehab, and reportedly, is being driven to 
Florida for release.


Amazing.


Kevin


From: bounce-122284311-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Doug Gochfeld 

Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 6:56 PM
To: Shaibal Mitra
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Another Long Island Purple Gallinule (not chaseable)

There's an interesting paper dealing with just this effect here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289706654_Warmer_Summers_and_Drier_Winters_Correlate_with_More_Winter_Vagrant_Purple_Gallinules_Porphyrio_martinicus_in_the_North_Atlantic_Region
[https://i1.rgstatic.net/publication/289706654_Warmer_Summers_and_Drier_Winters_Correlate_with_More_Winter_Vagrant_Purple_Gallinules_Porphyrio_martinicus_in_the_North_Atlantic_Region/links/56953f8008ae3ad8e33d5b10/largepreview.png]

Warmer Summers and Drier Winters Correlate with More 
...
www.researchgate.net
Warmer Summers and Drier Winters Correlate with More Winter Vagrant Purple 
Gallinules ( Porphyrio martinicus ) in the North Atlantic Region



Good Birding and Vagrant Speculating!
-Doug Gochfeld



On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:52 AM Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>> wrote:
Wow, this is really amazing. The tight date range really looks like a discrete 
flight of some sort. If these were Summer Tanagers hitting those sites in mid 
April, we'd call it a slingshot. Is there any reason to think that southern 
populations of Purple Gallinule are undertaking long distance flights to the 
north in mid January?

Shai Mitra
Bay Shore

From: 
bounce-122283698-11143...@list.cornell.edu
 
[bounce-122283698-11143...@list.cornell.edu]
 on behalf of Paul R Sweet [sw...@amnh.org]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:27 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Another Long Island Purple Gallinule (not chaseable)

A routine trip to collect salvaged birds from a Long Island rehabber yielded 
Long Island’s 3rd Purple Gallinule of the winter. This new specimen was picked 
up on 14 January in Rockville Centre and died 2 days later

As a reminder the other birds were 13 January Manorville, 16 January 
Southampton.

Details will be submitted to NYSARC

Paul Sweet
Collection Manager
Department of Ornithology
American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West at 79th Street
New York, NY 10024

Tel: 212 769 5780
Cell: 718 757 5941

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Re:[nysbirds-l] The delicate politics of chasing owls.

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I agree with the logic of this article, and have made the same argument for 
years. Owls are not particularly vulnerable to disturbance, and they are 
spectacular ambassadors to non-birders. Do you know how many Northern Saw-whet 
and Boreal owls exist in the world, and how few ever encounter people (other 
than, perhaps, over-exuberant banders ;^))? One in a publicly-available spot 
can generate so much goodwill that, as an educator, I would argue to disturb 
its sleep a few times so that people can experience it.


It's boils down to the old saw: people only protect what they love, and they 
don't love anything they don't know. And, I would add that the best way to 
learn to love owls is to actually see one face-to-face in the wild.


But, from my experience on this issue, people seem to have become almost as 
religious in their views as the cats-as-predators one. I am happy to see a 
logical, not emotional public piece about it, nonetheless.


That's my humble opinion, and I don't expect everyone to agree. Just saying...

Kevin

From: bounce-122210006-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Meena Madhav Haribal 

Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 8:50 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; geneseebirds-googlegr...@geneseo.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] The delicate politics of chasing owls.


Interesting article.


Some of you may not have seen it!


The delicate politics of chasing owls.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/opinion/sunday/owl-watching.html

[https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/01/14/sunday-review/14COMET-slide-JG9V/14COMET-slide-JG9V-facebookJumbo-v2.jpg]

The Delicate Politics of Chasing Owls - The New York 
Times
www.nytimes.com
ANNAPOLIS, Md. — Owls tend to be secretive. While there are a few American 
species that enjoy the daylight hours, most are nocturnal and spend their days 
...





Meena Haribal
Ithaca NY 14850
42.429007,-76.47111

http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/
Ithaca area moths: https://plus.google.com/118047473426099383469/posts
Dragonfly book sample pages:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ngrZelDNo5QnFDMl9BdVNlLXc






From: bounce-122209710-9347...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of & [NYSBIRDS] digest 

Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 12:06 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: nysbirds-l digest: January 20, 2018

NYSBIRDS-L Digest for Saturday, January 20, 2018.

1. eBird.org: Recent Additions to County Checklists
2. Eastern Long Island Update
3. NYC Audubon Lecture, Wed, Jan 24

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Subject: eBird.org: Recent Additions to County Checklists
From: Ben Cacace 
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 05:31:28 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

When working on the NYS eBird Hotspots wiki I'll compare the previous bar
chart list of species with the current one picking up any additions or
deletions. By going to each county's 'Overview' page you can determine the
date the species was added by county. Some are from newly submitted
checklists from many months / years ago.

It isn't possible to spot these additions from old checklists. On the
'Overview' page you can sort on 'First Seen' but if the species wasn't
added recently it won't appear at the top of the list.

For each county on the NYS eBird Hotspots site click the 'Overview' link on
the 'Explore a Location' line:
— http://ebirding-nys.wikispaces.com/Birding+in+New+York

Since last update: 8 days

Green represents a New York State first.

*Chautauqua County: *
Inca Dove (8-Dec-2017)

*Seneca County: *
Barnacle Goose (26-Nov-1987)

--
Ben Cacace
Manhattan, NYC
Wiki for NYS eBird Hotspots

Facebook Discussion for NYS eBird Hotspots: Q & A


--

Subject: Eastern Long Island Update
From: Gail Benson 
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 13:26:30 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

The Pink-footed Goose continues at Deep Hollow Ranch (Montauk).  Off
Montauk Point we saw 38 Razorbills as part of our morning watch.  Two
Tundra Swans flew off Hook Pond (East Hampton) early.

GB, TWB, AG, BM

--

Subject: NYC Audubon Lecture, Wed, Jan 24
From: Lynne Hertzog 
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:05:54 +
X-Message-Number: 3

THE NATURE SPECTACLES OF NEW JERSEY


*By Joanna BurgerWednesday, January 24, 7pm*

*Reidy Hall at the Unitarian Church of All Souls, located on Lexington
Avenue between 79th and 80th streets in Manhattan*

Re:[nysbirds-l] The delicate politics of chasing owls.

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I agree with the logic of this article, and have made the same argument for 
years. Owls are not particularly vulnerable to disturbance, and they are 
spectacular ambassadors to non-birders. Do you know how many Northern Saw-whet 
and Boreal owls exist in the world, and how few ever encounter people (other 
than, perhaps, over-exuberant banders ;^))? One in a publicly-available spot 
can generate so much goodwill that, as an educator, I would argue to disturb 
its sleep a few times so that people can experience it.


It's boils down to the old saw: people only protect what they love, and they 
don't love anything they don't know. And, I would add that the best way to 
learn to love owls is to actually see one face-to-face in the wild.


But, from my experience on this issue, people seem to have become almost as 
religious in their views as the cats-as-predators one. I am happy to see a 
logical, not emotional public piece about it, nonetheless.


That's my humble opinion, and I don't expect everyone to agree. Just saying...

Kevin

From: bounce-122210006-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Meena Madhav Haribal 

Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 8:50 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; geneseebirds-googlegr...@geneseo.edu
Subject: [nysbirds-l] The delicate politics of chasing owls.


Interesting article.


Some of you may not have seen it!


The delicate politics of chasing owls.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/opinion/sunday/owl-watching.html

[https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/01/14/sunday-review/14COMET-slide-JG9V/14COMET-slide-JG9V-facebookJumbo-v2.jpg]

The Delicate Politics of Chasing Owls - The New York 
Times
www.nytimes.com
ANNAPOLIS, Md. — Owls tend to be secretive. While there are a few American 
species that enjoy the daylight hours, most are nocturnal and spend their days 
...





Meena Haribal
Ithaca NY 14850
42.429007,-76.47111

http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/
Ithaca area moths: https://plus.google.com/118047473426099383469/posts
Dragonfly book sample pages:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1ngrZelDNo5QnFDMl9BdVNlLXc






From: bounce-122209710-9347...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of & [NYSBIRDS] digest 

Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 12:06 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: nysbirds-l digest: January 20, 2018

NYSBIRDS-L Digest for Saturday, January 20, 2018.

1. eBird.org: Recent Additions to County Checklists
2. Eastern Long Island Update
3. NYC Audubon Lecture, Wed, Jan 24

--

Subject: eBird.org: Recent Additions to County Checklists
From: Ben Cacace 
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 05:31:28 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

When working on the NYS eBird Hotspots wiki I'll compare the previous bar
chart list of species with the current one picking up any additions or
deletions. By going to each county's 'Overview' page you can determine the
date the species was added by county. Some are from newly submitted
checklists from many months / years ago.

It isn't possible to spot these additions from old checklists. On the
'Overview' page you can sort on 'First Seen' but if the species wasn't
added recently it won't appear at the top of the list.

For each county on the NYS eBird Hotspots site click the 'Overview' link on
the 'Explore a Location' line:
— http://ebirding-nys.wikispaces.com/Birding+in+New+York

Since last update: 8 days

Green represents a New York State first.

*Chautauqua County: *
Inca Dove (8-Dec-2017)

*Seneca County: *
Barnacle Goose (26-Nov-1987)

--
Ben Cacace
Manhattan, NYC
Wiki for NYS eBird Hotspots

Facebook Discussion for NYS eBird Hotspots: Q & A


--

Subject: Eastern Long Island Update
From: Gail Benson 
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 13:26:30 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

The Pink-footed Goose continues at Deep Hollow Ranch (Montauk).  Off
Montauk Point we saw 38 Razorbills as part of our morning watch.  Two
Tundra Swans flew off Hook Pond (East Hampton) early.

GB, TWB, AG, BM

--

Subject: NYC Audubon Lecture, Wed, Jan 24
From: Lynne Hertzog 
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:05:54 +
X-Message-Number: 3

THE NATURE SPECTACLES OF NEW JERSEY


*By Joanna BurgerWednesday, January 24, 7pm*

*Reidy Hall at the Unitarian Church of All Souls, located on Lexington
Avenue between 79th and 80th streets in Manhattan*

*Rutgers professor and scientist Joanna Burger is a behavioral ecologist
whose primary interests are in the* *adaptive significance of social
behavior in vertebrates, ecological risk, and 

[nysbirds-l] Ithaca rarities

[Kevin J. McGowan]

With all the trivial downstate chatter on this listserv, I sometimes forget 
that people might actually want to hear about state-level rare birds in our 
area. We have a few at the moment.


Best current bird in Ithaca is a male TUFTED DUCK hanging in the huge (>10,000, 
probably near 20,000) flock of ducks (mostly Redheads) in the very SW corner of 
Cayuga Lake. It is difficult to look at this flock, but views can be had from 
Rt 89 just outside the Ithaca city limits. (Look for the first and only parking 
area on the west side of the road.) Even if you don't find the Tufted Duck, 
this duck flock is an amazing sight.


Also in the area is a family group of Black Vultures (2 adults, 2 juveniles) 
that are consistently, but not constantly, hanging out at the state 
pheasant-raising facility on Game Farm Road, just east of Ithaca and SW of 
Varna.


We had a good Christmas Bird Count on the 1st, with a record-setting 102 
species. Pretty impressive, I have to say for an inland count! Tufted Duck, 
Black Vulture, and Eurasian Goldfinch were all new species for the count. We 
also had record numbers of multiple duck species. Still no sign of the northern 
finches yet, despite the abundance of cones on all the conifers.


Good birds for inland New York included Surf Scoter, White-winged Scoter, 
Long-tailed Duck, Northern Pintail, Green-winged Teal, American Wigeon, 
Gadwall, Red-throated Loon, Peregrine Falcon, Savannah Sparrow.


Good birding and happy new year!


Kevin


Happy new year!


Kevin


Kevin J. McGowan, Ph.D.
Project Manager
Distance Learning in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
k...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452

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[nysbirds-l] Ithaca rarities

[Kevin J. McGowan]

With all the trivial downstate chatter on this listserv, I sometimes forget 
that people might actually want to hear about state-level rare birds in our 
area. We have a few at the moment.


Best current bird in Ithaca is a male TUFTED DUCK hanging in the huge (>10,000, 
probably near 20,000) flock of ducks (mostly Redheads) in the very SW corner of 
Cayuga Lake. It is difficult to look at this flock, but views can be had from 
Rt 89 just outside the Ithaca city limits. (Look for the first and only parking 
area on the west side of the road.) Even if you don't find the Tufted Duck, 
this duck flock is an amazing sight.


Also in the area is a family group of Black Vultures (2 adults, 2 juveniles) 
that are consistently, but not constantly, hanging out at the state 
pheasant-raising facility on Game Farm Road, just east of Ithaca and SW of 
Varna.


We had a good Christmas Bird Count on the 1st, with a record-setting 102 
species. Pretty impressive, I have to say for an inland count! Tufted Duck, 
Black Vulture, and Eurasian Goldfinch were all new species for the count. We 
also had record numbers of multiple duck species. Still no sign of the northern 
finches yet, despite the abundance of cones on all the conifers.


Good birds for inland New York included Surf Scoter, White-winged Scoter, 
Long-tailed Duck, Northern Pintail, Green-winged Teal, American Wigeon, 
Gadwall, Red-throated Loon, Peregrine Falcon, Savannah Sparrow.


Good birding and happy new year!


Kevin


Happy new year!


Kevin


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RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Other points to look at on this bird are the dark legs (MacGillivray's are 
pale), and the undertail coverts that barely extend past the folded wings 
(longer in MacGillivray's). MacGillivray's also has a pale base to the lower 
mandible and a slightly down-curved bill. This bird has an all-dark, very 
straight bill. The slope of the forehead differs between the two species, too, 
with MacGillivray's having a more sloping profile.

Just looking at the books, one would never expect to confuse these two species. 
It just goes to show that you often can't rely on the big fieldmarks; you need 
to look at the small ones too.

Kevin


-Original Message-
From: bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:25 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Bob and all,

Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:

https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge

What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of shape, 
the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned than for 
MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions of perfect 
semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the upper arc in 
particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with the thicker, 
blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 

Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in which 
extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the identity of an 
individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a struggle that 
underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear eye-ringed and bright 
yellow below.

Best,
Shai

From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon


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RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Other points to look at on this bird are the dark legs (MacGillivray's are 
pale), and the undertail coverts that barely extend past the folded wings 
(longer in MacGillivray's). MacGillivray's also has a pale base to the lower 
mandible and a slightly down-curved bill. This bird has an all-dark, very 
straight bill. The slope of the forehead differs between the two species, too, 
with MacGillivray's having a more sloping profile.

Just looking at the books, one would never expect to confuse these two species. 
It just goes to show that you often can't rely on the big fieldmarks; you need 
to look at the small ones too.

Kevin


-Original Message-
From: bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122145491-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 7:25 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Bob and all,

Orange-crowned Warbler does show white eye arcs:

https://flic.kr/p/21mj9ge

What looks odd on the Queens bird is the degree of contrast between them and 
the adjacent feathers. I would even go further and say that in terms of shape, 
the Queens bird's eye arcs are a much better fit for Orange-crowned than for 
MacGillivray's. In Orange-crowned, the eye arcs look like portions of perfect 
semicircles, with small gaps fore and aft. In MacGillivray's, the upper arc in 
particular is shorter and straighter, which in combination with the thicker, 
blacker pre-ocular, gives the impression of a stern countenance. 

Longtime participants in bird ID debates will recall several instances in which 
extremely experienced people have debated and not agreed on the identity of an 
individual Oreothlypis, as Orange-crowned vs. Nashville, a struggle that 
underscores the degree to which Orange-crowned can appear eye-ringed and bright 
yellow below.

Best,
Shai

From: Robert Paxton [r...@columbia.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:11 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; Shaibal Mitra
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] OCWA or MGWA

Hi Shai et al.,
   No one seems to be commenting on the bright white semi-circles above and 
below the eye. I have never seen this feature on an Orange-crowned Warbler.
  Bob Paxfon


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Keep the conversation going with eBird. As an ornithologist, I'm interested in 
tracking the ups and downs of potential newly established species. As a lister, 
I'm interested in keeping my list clean and comparable for ABA rankings. I 
don't work with eBird, but be assured that the guys that do are both 
ornithologists and listers, too. I have no doubt that they will address this 
issue in the future. They're not technocrats who want to tell birders what to 
do, they're our people.


Kevin


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k...@cornell.edu
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From: bounce-12212-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
<bounce-12212-3714...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Michael Schrimpf 
<michael.schri...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 4:02 PM
To: brian.whip...@gmail.com
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L; eBirds NYC
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Hi all,

Just to add a bit more context:

There have been many in-depth discussions on this topic among the eBird 
reviewers, and the folks at Cornell acknowledge that this is an issue they wish 
to tackle soon. In one of his recent responses to our reviewer listserv, 
Marshall Iliff indicated that addressing this is a priority for them, so I 
imagine we should have additional tools soon (perhaps in the next year), 
presumably impacting what shows up in the public output, and likely including 
some user-options for what to count and what not to count on our own personal 
lists.

The current recommendation is to report any live, wild birds, including 
introduced birds (see the bottom of this help page):
http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/973921-what-data-are-appropriate-
What Data are Appropriate? | 
eBird<http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/973921-what-data-are-appropriate->
help.ebird.org
This feature describes the kinds of data appropriate for eBird, provides some 
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In many places some of those introduced birds will become 'invalidated' by the 
reviewers, meaning they won't show up in public output (but will still show up 
on your lists), while other established species will show up on public maps. 
The important thing is that regardless of review status, those records are 
still in the database, and if/when they become important to monitor the 
community will still have access to those records. Some of that process may 
change once eBird Central invents new tools to deal with the data.

Many (but not all) exotics are also 'domestic' types, by which eBird means 
"distinctly-plumaged domesticated varieties that may be free-flying". Locally 
this includes things like Budgerigar, 'Swedish' Mallards, etc. There are 
normally separate taxonomic categories for those birds with the words (Domestic 
type) in parenthesis. These should only be used for birds that are identifiable 
as a domestic variety. These domestic varieties currently don't show up on 
lists. More info on that category can be found on this help page:
http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/1006825-the-ebird-taxonomy?b_id=1928
The eBird Taxonomy | 
eBird<http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/1006825-the-ebird-taxonomy?b_id=1928>
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Updated 15 Aug 2017 -- eBird Taxonomy v2017. The eBird Taxonomy is a 
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On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:16 PM, 
<brian.whip...@gmail.com<mailto:brian.whip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The umpteen responses I’ve gotten to the contrary are why I hedged my sureness.

Does anyone know the proper protocol for entering escapees on checklists 
(benefitting science) without having them inaccurately show up on lifelists 
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Also, I know some of my Central Park checklists include Budgies, but there’s no 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Keep the conversation going with eBird. As an ornithologist, I'm interested in 
tracking the ups and downs of potential newly established species. As a lister, 
I'm interested in keeping my list clean and comparable for ABA rankings. I 
don't work with eBird, but be assured that the guys that do are both 
ornithologists and listers, too. I have no doubt that they will address this 
issue in the future. They're not technocrats who want to tell birders what to 
do, they're our people.


Kevin


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Distance Learning in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
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k...@cornell.edu
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From: bounce-12212-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Michael Schrimpf 

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 4:02 PM
To: brian.whip...@gmail.com
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L; eBirds NYC
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Governors Island: European Goldfinch Flock (18-Dec)

Hi all,

Just to add a bit more context:

There have been many in-depth discussions on this topic among the eBird 
reviewers, and the folks at Cornell acknowledge that this is an issue they wish 
to tackle soon. In one of his recent responses to our reviewer listserv, 
Marshall Iliff indicated that addressing this is a priority for them, so I 
imagine we should have additional tools soon (perhaps in the next year), 
presumably impacting what shows up in the public output, and likely including 
some user-options for what to count and what not to count on our own personal 
lists.

The current recommendation is to report any live, wild birds, including 
introduced birds (see the bottom of this help page):
http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/973921-what-data-are-appropriate-
What Data are Appropriate? | 
eBird<http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/973921-what-data-are-appropriate->
help.ebird.org
This feature describes the kinds of data appropriate for eBird, provides some 
tips for data entry, and warns about the problems associated with certain kinds 
of ...



In many places some of those introduced birds will become 'invalidated' by the 
reviewers, meaning they won't show up in public output (but will still show up 
on your lists), while other established species will show up on public maps. 
The important thing is that regardless of review status, those records are 
still in the database, and if/when they become important to monitor the 
community will still have access to those records. Some of that process may 
change once eBird Central invents new tools to deal with the data.

Many (but not all) exotics are also 'domestic' types, by which eBird means 
"distinctly-plumaged domesticated varieties that may be free-flying". Locally 
this includes things like Budgerigar, 'Swedish' Mallards, etc. There are 
normally separate taxonomic categories for those birds with the words (Domestic 
type) in parenthesis. These should only be used for birds that are identifiable 
as a domestic variety. These domestic varieties currently don't show up on 
lists. More info on that category can be found on this help page:
http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/1006825-the-ebird-taxonomy?b_id=1928
The eBird Taxonomy | 
eBird<http://help.ebird.org/customer/en/portal/articles/1006825-the-ebird-taxonomy?b_id=1928>
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Updated 15 Aug 2017 -- eBird Taxonomy v2017. The eBird Taxonomy is a 
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Michael Schrimpf
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On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:16 PM, 
mailto:brian.whip...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The umpteen responses I’ve gotten to the contrary are why I hedged my sureness.

Does anyone know the proper protocol for entering escapees on checklists 
(benefitting science) without having them inaccurately show up on lifelists 
(benefitting type-A listers)?

Also, I know some of my Central Park checklists include Budgies, but there’s no 
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RE:[nysbirds-l] Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Undoubtedly a winter non-breeder group. I remember less than a decade ago my 
first encounter in the state with such a group in eastern Cortland County. I 
realized that there were now enough ravens breeding in New York that the 
juveniles could find each other. Looks like that might be true in your area now.

Kevin McGowan
Ithaca

-Original Message-
From: bounce-122096022-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122096022-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 2:43 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI

Watching a Prothonotary Warbler flying around me in low, repeated zig-zags over 
open ground on 1 December wasn't the most unusual thing I saw this morning at 
the Suffolk County Farm in Yaphank, Suffolk County, Long Island.

Pat had seen a couple of Common Ravens before I arrived and wanted me to see 
them. "There's a raven," she said, "with those crows." Raising our binoculars, 
we came to the same shocking realization simultaneously: "They're ALL ravens!"

A flock of more than 30 Common Ravens rose above the treeline to the south of 
property; I counted 23 at one point, and Pat counted 30 at another, but there 
were clearly more based on the way that portions of the flock dipped in and out 
of sight. One of my photos shows at least 21 in the frame. The group gradually 
dispersed westward and southward, but ten or more were still visible at times 
over the next hour or so, including when Derek Rogers stopped by to see if I 
was ok.

Prior to this I wasn't aware that Common Ravens occurred in flocks larger than 
a family group, even in places where they are common (except maybe along salmon 
runs in Alaska), and I would have thought that 30 was about right for the total 
population on all of Long Island.

Perhaps there is an overnight roost there or nearby, to be worked out.

The statuses of Long Island Corvus have changed beyond recognition. Whereas we 
used to have Twa Corbies, with brachrhynchos vastly outnumbering ossifragus, 
now there are Trois--and nowadays a count of 30 American Crows would be quite 
notable anywhere on western LI.

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RE:[nysbirds-l] Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Undoubtedly a winter non-breeder group. I remember less than a decade ago my 
first encounter in the state with such a group in eastern Cortland County. I 
realized that there were now enough ravens breeding in New York that the 
juveniles could find each other. Looks like that might be true in your area now.

Kevin McGowan
Ithaca

-Original Message-
From: bounce-122096022-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-122096022-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 2:43 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Astonishing High Count for Common Raven, Suffolk Co., LI

Watching a Prothonotary Warbler flying around me in low, repeated zig-zags over 
open ground on 1 December wasn't the most unusual thing I saw this morning at 
the Suffolk County Farm in Yaphank, Suffolk County, Long Island.

Pat had seen a couple of Common Ravens before I arrived and wanted me to see 
them. "There's a raven," she said, "with those crows." Raising our binoculars, 
we came to the same shocking realization simultaneously: "They're ALL ravens!"

A flock of more than 30 Common Ravens rose above the treeline to the south of 
property; I counted 23 at one point, and Pat counted 30 at another, but there 
were clearly more based on the way that portions of the flock dipped in and out 
of sight. One of my photos shows at least 21 in the frame. The group gradually 
dispersed westward and southward, but ten or more were still visible at times 
over the next hour or so, including when Derek Rogers stopped by to see if I 
was ok.

Prior to this I wasn't aware that Common Ravens occurred in flocks larger than 
a family group, even in places where they are common (except maybe along salmon 
runs in Alaska), and I would have thought that 30 was about right for the total 
population on all of Long Island.

Perhaps there is an overnight roost there or nearby, to be worked out.

The statuses of Long Island Corvus have changed beyond recognition. Whereas we 
used to have Twa Corbies, with brachrhynchos vastly outnumbering ossifragus, 
now there are Trois--and nowadays a count of 30 American Crows would be quite 
notable anywhere on western LI.

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[nysbirds-l] Fw: ibis on Armitage rd, Wayne Co

[Kevin J. McGowan]

From: bounce-122019816-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
<bounce-122019816-3493...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Kevin J. McGowan 
<k...@cornell.edu>
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 5:54 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] ibis on Armitage rd, Wayne Co


This afternoon, Laura Stenzler and Ton Schat directed attention to a dark ibis 
they found north of Armitage Rd, west of rt 38 north of Monezuma. I was birding 
nearby, and headed right over. I found the bird, but unfortunately the rain 
started in earnest right then, and the lighting was poor. Also the bird was 
very actively foraging in the far north end of the east-most section of flooded 
farm fields and did not give good looks.


White-faced and Glossy ibis are about equally likely to occur here. The bird 
looked like a non-breeding-plumaged adult, with no white on the face to help 
with ID (broad white in White-faced, thin white stripes in Glossy). It was way 
too far away, and the light was way too dim for me to be able to see if there 
was any red in the face or not. I could not tell which species it was.


Unless someone else gets better looks or better photos, I have to put it down 
as "Plegadis sp." or "Glossy/White-faced Ibis."


Kevin


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[nysbirds-l] Fw: ibis on Armitage rd, Wayne Co

[Kevin J. McGowan]

From: bounce-122019816-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
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Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 5:54 PM
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] ibis on Armitage rd, Wayne Co


This afternoon, Laura Stenzler and Ton Schat directed attention to a dark ibis 
they found north of Armitage Rd, west of rt 38 north of Monezuma. I was birding 
nearby, and headed right over. I found the bird, but unfortunately the rain 
started in earnest right then, and the lighting was poor. Also the bird was 
very actively foraging in the far north end of the east-most section of flooded 
farm fields and did not give good looks.


White-faced and Glossy ibis are about equally likely to occur here. The bird 
looked like a non-breeding-plumaged adult, with no white on the face to help 
with ID (broad white in White-faced, thin white stripes in Glossy). It was way 
too far away, and the light was way too dim for me to be able to see if there 
was any red in the face or not. I could not tell which species it was.


Unless someone else gets better looks or better photos, I have to put it down 
as "Plegadis sp." or "Glossy/White-faced Ibis."


Kevin


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[nysbirds-l] Male Ruff at Montezuma NWR

[Kevin J. McGowan]

A transitional male RUFF was spotted by Dave Nutter last night along the 
Wildlife Drive of Montezuma NWR in Seneca County, just at dusk. Searches 
throughout the morning today were unsuccessful, but the bird was finally 
refound at the difficult-to-access Kipp Island Fields section of the refuge 
this afternoon.


You can search the eBird hotspot tool for Kipp Island Fields, which is about 
the only place you will find it mapped. It is an area adjacent to, and just 
south of Interstate 90 (the Thruway), just west of where State Rt 90 crosses 
I-90. This is east of the main refuge. There is a parking area outside the 
elbow of a 90-degree bend that SR90 makes to parallel the interstate for a bit. 
I looked unsuccessfully from the parking area today, and I am not sure how 
people are accessing the bird right now, but is currently being viewed. Bad 
views, I am told. But bad looks at such a cool bird are probably worth the 
effort.


Best,


Kevin


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[nysbirds-l] Male Ruff at Montezuma NWR

[Kevin J. McGowan]

A transitional male RUFF was spotted by Dave Nutter last night along the 
Wildlife Drive of Montezuma NWR in Seneca County, just at dusk. Searches 
throughout the morning today were unsuccessful, but the bird was finally 
refound at the difficult-to-access Kipp Island Fields section of the refuge 
this afternoon.


You can search the eBird hotspot tool for Kipp Island Fields, which is about 
the only place you will find it mapped. It is an area adjacent to, and just 
south of Interstate 90 (the Thruway), just west of where State Rt 90 crosses 
I-90. This is east of the main refuge. There is a parking area outside the 
elbow of a 90-degree bend that SR90 makes to parallel the interstate for a bit. 
I looked unsuccessfully from the parking area today, and I am not sure how 
people are accessing the bird right now, but is currently being viewed. Bad 
views, I am told. But bad looks at such a cool bird are probably worth the 
effort.


Best,


Kevin


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Black-headed - Ring-billed Gull hybrid at Goat Island

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Wow. What an odd bird. And what on earth is it doing with a hood at this time 
of year?


We had an experience with a bird of the same presumed parental origin in 
Sullivan County 15 years ago, but it didn't look much like this one. 
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/woodburne_gull.htm


Very cool.


Kevin



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Distance Learning in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
k...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452



From: bounce-121321009-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
<bounce-121321009-3714...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Willie D'Anna 
<dannapot...@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: 'Geneseebirds'; geneseebird...@geneseo.edu; 'David Suggs'; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Black-headed - Ring-billed Gull hybrid at Goat Island


For the second straight day, a very rare BLACK-HEADED GULL – RING-BILLED GULL 
hybrid was seen at Goat Island on the Niagara River. The bird was found 
yesterday by Derek Lovitch from Maine and another birder but tentatively 
identified as a Laughing Gull – Ring-billed Gull hybrid. Both of these hybrid 
forms have been recorded before. Derek told Chris Kundl about the bird and 
Chris was able to obtain photographs yesterday and today. It was Chris who 
initially and correctly, I believe, identified the bird as a Black-headed X 
Ring-billed.



Although most birders will not chase a hybrid, you are unlikely to see this 
form ever again, as it is extremely rare. Yesterday, the bird was in the 
parking lot on the upriver (east) end of the island. This is the end away from 
the falls. Today, it was in the shallows just off of Goat Island, on the rock 
shelf above Three Sisters islands – the usual place where the gulls roost. It 
was very close to shore today and although Chris was able to show me the bird 
today, I was not prepared to photograph it, as this was just an impromptu stop. 
The bird is in alternate plumage with a hood that is not solidly black. The 
bill is orangy-red with a black band. The legs are dull orange. The primaries 
and primary coverts show a weak representation of the typical white wedge on 
the upperwing that is seen on Bonaparte’s and Black-headed Gulls. However, 
there were also some black marks in the white. The undersides of the primaries 
are not dusky, as on a Black-headed Gull. The folded wingtips look similar to 
those of the Ring-billed Gulls – black with white apical spots on each primary. 
The structure of this bird seems closer to a Ring-billed Gull than a 
Black-headed Gull to me, though slightly smaller and smaller-billed. Note that 
this bird frequently buried itself among the many Ring-billed Gulls here and 
could be very hard to pick out, despite it’s obvious hood. It was the only 
hooded gull at Goat Island.



Photos of this bird can be seen in Chris’s eBird checklist, here: 
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S35078460



There are still lots of other less common gulls around Goat Island, especially 
Lesser Black-backed and Iceland Gulls, with a few Thayer’s Gulls as well.



Good birding!

Willie

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My photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/107683885@N07/


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Black-headed - Ring-billed Gull hybrid at Goat Island

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Wow. What an odd bird. And what on earth is it doing with a hood at this time 
of year?


We had an experience with a bird of the same presumed parental origin in 
Sullivan County 15 years ago, but it didn't look much like this one. 
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/woodburne_gull.htm


Very cool.


Kevin



Kevin J. McGowan
Project Manager
Distance Learning in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
k...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452



From: bounce-121321009-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Willie D'Anna 

Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: 'Geneseebirds'; geneseebird...@geneseo.edu; 'David Suggs'; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Black-headed - Ring-billed Gull hybrid at Goat Island


For the second straight day, a very rare BLACK-HEADED GULL – RING-BILLED GULL 
hybrid was seen at Goat Island on the Niagara River. The bird was found 
yesterday by Derek Lovitch from Maine and another birder but tentatively 
identified as a Laughing Gull – Ring-billed Gull hybrid. Both of these hybrid 
forms have been recorded before. Derek told Chris Kundl about the bird and 
Chris was able to obtain photographs yesterday and today. It was Chris who 
initially and correctly, I believe, identified the bird as a Black-headed X 
Ring-billed.



Although most birders will not chase a hybrid, you are unlikely to see this 
form ever again, as it is extremely rare. Yesterday, the bird was in the 
parking lot on the upriver (east) end of the island. This is the end away from 
the falls. Today, it was in the shallows just off of Goat Island, on the rock 
shelf above Three Sisters islands – the usual place where the gulls roost. It 
was very close to shore today and although Chris was able to show me the bird 
today, I was not prepared to photograph it, as this was just an impromptu stop. 
The bird is in alternate plumage with a hood that is not solidly black. The 
bill is orangy-red with a black band. The legs are dull orange. The primaries 
and primary coverts show a weak representation of the typical white wedge on 
the upperwing that is seen on Bonaparte’s and Black-headed Gulls. However, 
there were also some black marks in the white. The undersides of the primaries 
are not dusky, as on a Black-headed Gull. The folded wingtips look similar to 
those of the Ring-billed Gulls – black with white apical spots on each primary. 
The structure of this bird seems closer to a Ring-billed Gull than a 
Black-headed Gull to me, though slightly smaller and smaller-billed. Note that 
this bird frequently buried itself among the many Ring-billed Gulls here and 
could be very hard to pick out, despite it’s obvious hood. It was the only 
hooded gull at Goat Island.



Photos of this bird can be seen in Chris’s eBird checklist, here: 
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S35078460



There are still lots of other less common gulls around Goat Island, especially 
Lesser Black-backed and Iceland Gulls, with a few Thayer’s Gulls as well.



Good birding!

Willie

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Wilson, NY

dannapotterATroadrunner.com

My photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/107683885@N07/


[https://farm1.staticflickr.com/613/32691740236_1a5d42c9da_q.jpg] 
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[nysbirds-l] NYSBIRDS-L; WAS Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

[Kevin J. McGowan]

NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu was originally created 
for reports of rarities and discussions of birds that would be of statewide 
interest (hence the “s” in the name after NY, New York State birds). Upstate 
birders have always used it that way. I would post about Cave Swallows, but 
never about Purple Martins there. Cayugabirds was founded at the same time (by 
the same people), and its purpose was for discussion of birds of a regional 
interest only. Purple Martins would be an appropriate topic for Cayugabirds. 
The other upstate regional lists were gradually created for the same purpose. 
GenesseeBirds was not supposed to replace the statewide list, but to supplement 
it.

For the first few years, that’s how the lists functioned. When we saw a state 
rarity, it got posted to BOTH the local and state lists. Unfortunately, the 
mission for NYSbirds crept over the years, and came to be used extensively by 
NYC birders to list mundane things. As a consequence, many upstate birders 
unsubscribed rather than read dozens and dozens of messages of no interest. As 
a consequence, they don’t think to post to it, either. And that’s a shame.

Can’t someone down there start a regional listserv for the NYC area and give 
NYSbirds back to the state? ;^)

Best,

Kevin McGowan
Ithaca

From: bounce-121020508-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121020508-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Larry 
Trachtenberg
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:44 PM
To: David Klauber ; Paul R Sweet 
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: RE: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher


If I may.  I do not use and anticipate never using any of Facebook (or its 
myriad bird groups), Twitter, bird text alert systems, 
ebirds...@yahoogroups.com; #birdcp on 
Twitter, the “various WhatsAp” bird sites referenced, or any of the seemingly 
endless selective groups that report birds to their members.  To quote WC 
Fields "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member” (not to say 
any of these clubs or whatever they may be would have me.).
I also was unaware that the NYSbird site was intended for rarities only.  As 
far as I understood; rather not only is there a NYS list-serve (which as with 
Andrew, is the only place I use other than when I get around occasionally to 
post to ebird), there are also seven others for various listserv regions around 
the state which you see if you go to the ABA site http://birding.aba.org 
(NY-Cayuga; NY-Genesee; NY-Hudson-Mohawk; NY-Northern; NY-Oneida; NY-Orange and 
NY-Chautauqua).  As David points out likely those came about because the main 
NYS listserv is dominated by downstate sightings often, like mine, mundane.  
Thus, the NY listserv sites are far different than those in NJ for example 
which has only two; a statewide place to post and a clearly identified NJ-RBA 
(but I do not know how carefully that is monitored).
In NY, every Saturday Gail Benson posts on the State NYSbird cite the weekly 
Rare Bird Alert for the five boroughs and Long Island and what it says is 
Westchester, although absent say a Virginia’s Warbler, Westchester seems to be 
reported infrequently.  That posting gives two ways to report a rare bird (as 
opposed a general post to the NYS listserv of more routine sightings that some 
may find interesting and some may not which is how I viewed the general 
listserv).  Per Gail’s regular Saturday posts for actual rare bird sightings in 
the indicated area(s) they should either be called in to a Hotline: New York 
City Area Rare Bird Alert:  Number: (212) 979-3070; or emailed to 
nysar...@nybirds.org (and if documentation is 
requested there is a link to an on-line form).  That, of course, begs the 
question as to whether if someone calls in a rare bird, will it show up on any 
list serve prior to Gail’s post on Saturday (assuming indeed the sighting is 
valid, or whatever criteria may be used).  Thus, if a Monday sighting was not 
posted until Saturday and the bird is gone, the twitchers would no longer be 
able to twitch (even if he/she were willing to drive out on the execrable LIE 
to get to wherever such rare bird may be on Long Island).
Personally, I post fairly regularly from my patch at Croton Point Park, a park 
which I know is visited by many birders.  Most of my posts tend to the mundane 
although some have reported an occasional rarity (e.g. cattle egret, American 
avocet, boat tailed grackle).  My CPP posts occasionally lead to direct off 
line email communication sometimes with comments of appreciation and/or 
requests for further info, and sometimes less so, shall we say, but I never 
thought nysbirds-l@cornell.edu was limited to 
only sightings of rarities, because, well it clearly has not been used that 
way.  It is also clear that NYS listserv is not universally used 

[nysbirds-l] NYSBIRDS-L; WAS Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

[Kevin J. McGowan]

NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu was originally created 
for reports of rarities and discussions of birds that would be of statewide 
interest (hence the “s” in the name after NY, New York State birds). Upstate 
birders have always used it that way. I would post about Cave Swallows, but 
never about Purple Martins there. Cayugabirds was founded at the same time (by 
the same people), and its purpose was for discussion of birds of a regional 
interest only. Purple Martins would be an appropriate topic for Cayugabirds. 
The other upstate regional lists were gradually created for the same purpose. 
GenesseeBirds was not supposed to replace the statewide list, but to supplement 
it.

For the first few years, that’s how the lists functioned. When we saw a state 
rarity, it got posted to BOTH the local and state lists. Unfortunately, the 
mission for NYSbirds crept over the years, and came to be used extensively by 
NYC birders to list mundane things. As a consequence, many upstate birders 
unsubscribed rather than read dozens and dozens of messages of no interest. As 
a consequence, they don’t think to post to it, either. And that’s a shame.

Can’t someone down there start a regional listserv for the NYC area and give 
NYSbirds back to the state? ;^)

Best,

Kevin McGowan
Ithaca

From: bounce-121020508-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121020508-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Larry 
Trachtenberg
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:44 PM
To: David Klauber ; Paul R Sweet 
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L 
Subject: RE: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher


If I may.  I do not use and anticipate never using any of Facebook (or its 
myriad bird groups), Twitter, bird text alert systems, 
ebirds...@yahoogroups.com; #birdcp on 
Twitter, the “various WhatsAp” bird sites referenced, or any of the seemingly 
endless selective groups that report birds to their members.  To quote WC 
Fields "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member” (not to say 
any of these clubs or whatever they may be would have me.).
I also was unaware that the NYSbird site was intended for rarities only.  As 
far as I understood; rather not only is there a NYS list-serve (which as with 
Andrew, is the only place I use other than when I get around occasionally to 
post to ebird), there are also seven others for various listserv regions around 
the state which you see if you go to the ABA site http://birding.aba.org 
(NY-Cayuga; NY-Genesee; NY-Hudson-Mohawk; NY-Northern; NY-Oneida; NY-Orange and 
NY-Chautauqua).  As David points out likely those came about because the main 
NYS listserv is dominated by downstate sightings often, like mine, mundane.  
Thus, the NY listserv sites are far different than those in NJ for example 
which has only two; a statewide place to post and a clearly identified NJ-RBA 
(but I do not know how carefully that is monitored).
In NY, every Saturday Gail Benson posts on the State NYSbird cite the weekly 
Rare Bird Alert for the five boroughs and Long Island and what it says is 
Westchester, although absent say a Virginia’s Warbler, Westchester seems to be 
reported infrequently.  That posting gives two ways to report a rare bird (as 
opposed a general post to the NYS listserv of more routine sightings that some 
may find interesting and some may not which is how I viewed the general 
listserv).  Per Gail’s regular Saturday posts for actual rare bird sightings in 
the indicated area(s) they should either be called in to a Hotline: New York 
City Area Rare Bird Alert:  Number: (212) 979-3070; or emailed to 
nysar...@nybirds.org (and if documentation is 
requested there is a link to an on-line form).  That, of course, begs the 
question as to whether if someone calls in a rare bird, will it show up on any 
list serve prior to Gail’s post on Saturday (assuming indeed the sighting is 
valid, or whatever criteria may be used).  Thus, if a Monday sighting was not 
posted until Saturday and the bird is gone, the twitchers would no longer be 
able to twitch (even if he/she were willing to drive out on the execrable LIE 
to get to wherever such rare bird may be on Long Island).
Personally, I post fairly regularly from my patch at Croton Point Park, a park 
which I know is visited by many birders.  Most of my posts tend to the mundane 
although some have reported an occasional rarity (e.g. cattle egret, American 
avocet, boat tailed grackle).  My CPP posts occasionally lead to direct off 
line email communication sometimes with comments of appreciation and/or 
requests for further info, and sometimes less so, shall we say, but I never 
thought nysbirds-l@cornell.edu was limited to 
only sightings of rarities, because, well it clearly has not been used that 
way.  It is also clear that NYS listserv is not universally used by those in 
Westchester to post rarities when they do show up – at 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Central Park, NYC: Leucistic Hermit Thrush

[Kevin J. McGowan]

This topic is confused and confusing, with no clear consensus of terminology. 
The Birding article was good, but I do not completely agree with its 
conclusions. One problem is that we're dealing with two completely different 
problems here: the description of what a bird looks like, and the genetic and 
physiological mechanisms that might be producing that appearance.


Leucism does have a technical definition involving the development and 
migration of melanocytes during embryonic development. Who cares about that? It 
results in a bird with scattered pure white feathers That appearance can also 
be achieved by an older bird experiencing the death of melanocytes in places 
(just like the hairs in my beard).


Again, who cares? The birds look piebald, and might be described as "pied," 
meaning patched dark and white. The beautiful Hermit Thrush that started the 
conversation, however, is a nice example of "diluted" coloration. Again, the 
physiological mechanisms that can result in this physical example or 
"phenotyte" are varied.


If you're describing such a bird for other birders, do you want to indicate 
what it looks like, or pretend that you have some knowledge about the 
physiology of the origin of its appearance? If the latter, I'd suggest you 
settle down and wait for a lot more research to be conducted. If the former, I 
would recommend using terms like "pied," "dilute plumage," and 
"pigment-challenged."


Best,


Kevin


Kevin J. McGowan,
Ithaca, NY 14850
k...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452



From: bounce-120416032-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
<bounce-120416032-3714...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Anders Peltomaa 
<anders.pelto...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 7:23 PM
To: Peter Post
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Central Park, NYC: Leucistic Hermit Thrush

Thanks Peter,
I have since learnt from others on Facebook better.

Michael Retter replied on Facebook, where I shared it to ABA's page. He said 
that he like to call birds like this Hermit Thrush, "hypomelanistic" and then 
followed up with another comment.

--- quote ---

There is a great article in Birding (39.5: 38) about pigment abnormalities in 
birds. It's from that article that I first learned of the terms 
"hypomelanistic", "amelanastic", and "hypermelanistic". Two key passages:

"Melanins are the most prevalent pigments in birds. They produce almost all of 
the black, brown, gray, rufous, and buff shades and patterns, and they come in 
two general types--eumelanins and phaeomelanins... Eumelanins are more common 
and predominate in black and brown feathers, whereas phaeomelanins are less 
common and predominate in chestnut and rufous feathers...The relative 
proportion of these two pigment types, therefore, determines most colors...the 
ruddy throat of a Barn Swallow owes its color mainly to phaeomelanins."

"The history of the term leucism is ... convoluted and controversial. It was 
first applied exclusively to the particular condition that results in all-white 
plumage or pelage and normally pigmented eyes and skin (Rensch 1925). Several 
decades later it was used for the abnormal condition that results in the 
dilution of plumage pigments (Harrison 1964). And more recently it has been 
applied to everything from an entirely white plumage to a single white feather 
(Buckley 1982). Harrison's usage appears to be the most widely recognized today 
[2007], but many still favor Buckley's definition. No matter which definition 
you prefer, however, the term leucism falls short in its usefulness for 
classifying color abnormalities in birds because it does not account for loss 
of pigment in unfeathered areas [such as in this Hermit Thrush's bill]."

---unquote---

Very interesting and certainly the best bird I have seen for a while. One of 
those birds that sticks with you and becomes real learning moments.

Anders Peltomaa


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:52 PM, <pwp...@nyc.rr.com<mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com>> 
wrote:
A very interesting and unusual looking bird. However, I would not call this 
leucistic as there are no areas that show a complete lack of pigment. This is 
clearly what is technically known as a dilution. It is caused by one or a 
number of genes that deposit melanin in a lower than normal concentration.

Peter Post


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Anders Peltomaa 
<anders.pelto...@gmail.com<mailto:anders.pelto...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Yesterday, I and many other birders saw this exceptional Hermit thrush in 
Central Park. None in my group had ever seen anything like it, and some in the 
group have 50+ years of birding experience so calling it exceptional is not an 
exaggeration.

Photo by visiting French birder Hubert Pottiau.
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010342935903>

http

Re: [nysbirds-l] Central Park, NYC: Leucistic Hermit Thrush

[Kevin J. McGowan]

This topic is confused and confusing, with no clear consensus of terminology. 
The Birding article was good, but I do not completely agree with its 
conclusions. One problem is that we're dealing with two completely different 
problems here: the description of what a bird looks like, and the genetic and 
physiological mechanisms that might be producing that appearance.


Leucism does have a technical definition involving the development and 
migration of melanocytes during embryonic development. Who cares about that? It 
results in a bird with scattered pure white feathers That appearance can also 
be achieved by an older bird experiencing the death of melanocytes in places 
(just like the hairs in my beard).


Again, who cares? The birds look piebald, and might be described as "pied," 
meaning patched dark and white. The beautiful Hermit Thrush that started the 
conversation, however, is a nice example of "diluted" coloration. Again, the 
physiological mechanisms that can result in this physical example or 
"phenotyte" are varied.


If you're describing such a bird for other birders, do you want to indicate 
what it looks like, or pretend that you have some knowledge about the 
physiology of the origin of its appearance? If the latter, I'd suggest you 
settle down and wait for a lot more research to be conducted. If the former, I 
would recommend using terms like "pied," "dilute plumage," and 
"pigment-challenged."


Best,


Kevin


Kevin J. McGowan,
Ithaca, NY 14850
k...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452



From: bounce-120416032-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Anders Peltomaa 

Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 7:23 PM
To: Peter Post
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Central Park, NYC: Leucistic Hermit Thrush

Thanks Peter,
I have since learnt from others on Facebook better.

Michael Retter replied on Facebook, where I shared it to ABA's page. He said 
that he like to call birds like this Hermit Thrush, "hypomelanistic" and then 
followed up with another comment.

--- quote ---

There is a great article in Birding (39.5: 38) about pigment abnormalities in 
birds. It's from that article that I first learned of the terms 
"hypomelanistic", "amelanastic", and "hypermelanistic". Two key passages:

"Melanins are the most prevalent pigments in birds. They produce almost all of 
the black, brown, gray, rufous, and buff shades and patterns, and they come in 
two general types--eumelanins and phaeomelanins... Eumelanins are more common 
and predominate in black and brown feathers, whereas phaeomelanins are less 
common and predominate in chestnut and rufous feathers...The relative 
proportion of these two pigment types, therefore, determines most colors...the 
ruddy throat of a Barn Swallow owes its color mainly to phaeomelanins."

"The history of the term leucism is ... convoluted and controversial. It was 
first applied exclusively to the particular condition that results in all-white 
plumage or pelage and normally pigmented eyes and skin (Rensch 1925). Several 
decades later it was used for the abnormal condition that results in the 
dilution of plumage pigments (Harrison 1964). And more recently it has been 
applied to everything from an entirely white plumage to a single white feather 
(Buckley 1982). Harrison's usage appears to be the most widely recognized today 
[2007], but many still favor Buckley's definition. No matter which definition 
you prefer, however, the term leucism falls short in its usefulness for 
classifying color abnormalities in birds because it does not account for loss 
of pigment in unfeathered areas [such as in this Hermit Thrush's bill]."

---unquote---

Very interesting and certainly the best bird I have seen for a while. One of 
those birds that sticks with you and becomes real learning moments.

Anders Peltomaa


On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 5:52 PM, mailto:pwp...@nyc.rr.com>> 
wrote:
A very interesting and unusual looking bird. However, I would not call this 
leucistic as there are no areas that show a complete lack of pigment. This is 
clearly what is technically known as a dilution. It is caused by one or a 
number of genes that deposit melanin in a lower than normal concentration.

Peter Post


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Anders Peltomaa 
mailto:anders.pelto...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Yesterday, I and many other birders saw this exceptional Hermit thrush in 
Central Park. None in my group had ever seen anything like it, and some in the 
group have 50+ years of birding experience so calling it exceptional is not an 
exaggeration.

Photo by visiting French birder Hubert Pottiau.
<https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010342935903>

https://flic.kr/p/GsFaeD

good birding,

Anders Peltomaa
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Lake-watching in Wilson, Niagara County

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Nice list, Willie.  I know that Fish Crow is becoming more of a real 
possibility in your neck of the woods these days, but I thought I'd mention 
that our local population of American Crows has just started incubating this 
week. When they do, the females make their irregular, very Fish Crow-like 
begging calls from the nests. April, when the breeding female calls, and 
June/July when fledglings are begging, are the two times of the year to use 
greatest caution in identifying Fish Crows by voice.


Best,


Kevin


Kevin J. McGowan

Ithaca, NY


From: bounce-120328018-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
<bounce-120328018-3714...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Willie D'Anna and 
Betsy Potter <dannapot...@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 5:17 PM
To: geneseebird...@geneseo.edu; NYSBIRDS-L; 'David Suggs'
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Lake-watching in Wilson, Niagara County


I watched the lake from the end of Rt 425 in Wilson this morning. There was a 
very nice waterbird flight. I recorded 43 species plus one unidentified 
shorebird species. Highlights were:

1 Tundra Swan

4 Surf Scoters

1 adult male Black Scoter

861 Long-tailed Ducks

552 Red-breasted Mergansers

12 other species of ducks

345 Red-throated Loons

54 Common Loons

17 Horned Grebes

7 Red-necked Grebes

4 Double-crested Cormorants

141 Bonaparte's Gulls



I also had what was likely a Fish Crow calling but I wanted it a little closer 
to be certain. Very unusual was a beaver swimming in the lake, a rather rare 
sighting in the county. My checklist is here:

http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S28675025



When I got home, there were two Turkey Vultures posing for photos at the end of 
our driveway and a PINE WARBLER was singing in the yard. Betsy had a FOX 
SPARROW earlier. Photos of the beaver and the Vultures can be seen on my Flickr 
site:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/107683885@N07/



Good birding!

Willie

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Lake-watching in Wilson, Niagara County

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Nice list, Willie.  I know that Fish Crow is becoming more of a real 
possibility in your neck of the woods these days, but I thought I'd mention 
that our local population of American Crows has just started incubating this 
week. When they do, the females make their irregular, very Fish Crow-like 
begging calls from the nests. April, when the breeding female calls, and 
June/July when fledglings are begging, are the two times of the year to use 
greatest caution in identifying Fish Crows by voice.


Best,


Kevin


Kevin J. McGowan

Ithaca, NY


From: bounce-120328018-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Willie D'Anna and 
Betsy Potter 
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 5:17 PM
To: geneseebird...@geneseo.edu; NYSBIRDS-L; 'David Suggs'
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Lake-watching in Wilson, Niagara County


I watched the lake from the end of Rt 425 in Wilson this morning. There was a 
very nice waterbird flight. I recorded 43 species plus one unidentified 
shorebird species. Highlights were:

1 Tundra Swan

4 Surf Scoters

1 adult male Black Scoter

861 Long-tailed Ducks

552 Red-breasted Mergansers

12 other species of ducks

345 Red-throated Loons

54 Common Loons

17 Horned Grebes

7 Red-necked Grebes

4 Double-crested Cormorants

141 Bonaparte's Gulls



I also had what was likely a Fish Crow calling but I wanted it a little closer 
to be certain. Very unusual was a beaver swimming in the lake, a rather rare 
sighting in the county. My checklist is here:

http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S28675025



When I got home, there were two Turkey Vultures posing for photos at the end of 
our driveway and a PINE WARBLER was singing in the yard. Betsy had a FOX 
SPARROW earlier. Photos of the beaver and the Vultures can be seen on my Flickr 
site:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/107683885@N07/



Good birding!

Willie

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Betsy Potter

Wilson, NY

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RE: [nysbirds-l] (No sighting) Dead Razorbill at Battery Park, Manhattan

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Always good for a skeleton!

From: bounce-120172425-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-120172425-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Paul R Sweet
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:50 PM
To: Kai
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] (No sighting) Dead Razorbill at Battery Park, 
Manhattan

Probably not worth salvaging but a good record for NY county?

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10023 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Feb 16, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Kai 
> wrote:
 In case it is of scientific interest to anyone on here, there was a dead 
Razorbill immediately off the southeast corner of the Battery Park promenade in 
Manhattan at about 4:20 PM today, being picked at by a gang of GBBGs.

Kai Sheffield
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RE: [nysbirds-l] (No sighting) Dead Razorbill at Battery Park, Manhattan

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Always good for a skeleton!

From: bounce-120172425-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-120172425-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Paul R Sweet
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:50 PM
To: Kai
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] (No sighting) Dead Razorbill at Battery Park, 
Manhattan

Probably not worth salvaging but a good record for NY county?

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10023 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Feb 16, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Kai 
mailto:kai_sheffi...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
 In case it is of scientific interest to anyone on here, there was a dead 
Razorbill immediately off the southeast corner of the Battery Park promenade in 
Manhattan at about 4:20 PM today, being picked at by a gang of GBBGs.

Kai Sheffield
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RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] [ebirdsnyc] Potential (Probable?) Brewer's Sparrow in Flushing Meadows Corona Park

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I have depressingly little experience with Brewer’s Sparrow over the last 
couple of decades, but doesn’t the bright gray, unstreaked nape rule that 
species out and clinch Clay-colored Sparrow?


Kevin

From: bounce-120005161-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-120005161-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Corey Finger
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 5:45 PM
To: Rick
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L; Nyc ebirds
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] [ebirdsnyc] Potential (Probable?) Brewer's Sparrow in 
Flushing Meadows Corona Park

Original shot is here:

http://1birds.com/good-birds-on-the-queens-county-christmas-bird-count.htm

Will add the others as quickly as I can get them on the site.

Corey

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Rick 
mailto:rc...@nyc.rr.com>> wrote:
Hi, those Luddites among us who don’t use Facebook can’t access this posting 
(at least I can’t). Any chance of a posting to a publicly accessible site?

Thanks,
Rick

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Of Corey Finger 1birdsblog...@gmail.com 
[ebirdsnyc]
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 5:02 PM
To: New York mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>>; Nyc 
ebirds mailto:ebirds...@yahoogroups.com>>
Subject: [ebirdsnyc] Potential (Probable?) Brewer's Sparrow in Flushing Meadows 
Corona Park


The Clay-colored Sparrow found by Cesar Castillo during the Queens County CBC 
yesterday might actually be a Brewer's Sparrow.

When I got home from seeing the bird this morning I posted an image on 
Facebook. This afternoon, a very short time ago, I got texts from Tom Johnson 
and Doug Gochfeld asking for more photos as they think it's a possible Brewer's 
Sparrow. I've since added more photos to the original image on Facebook. Photos 
can be seen on the New York Birders Facebook page here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NYBirders/

In the field the bird did seem a bit pale but I never would have thought to 
check if it was a Brewer's Sparrow or not. I chalked the paleness up to my 
rarely seeing Clay-colored Sparrows and not being as familiar with them as I 
could be.

For those who want to go after this bird, the pin on this map is the location 
of the "Meditation Garden," a pine grove that serves as ground zero for the 
junco flock with which this sparrow, the Lark Sparrow, and the Pine Warblers 
travel, though the flock does range widely:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir//40.743895,-73.840194/@40.7438245,-73.8398589,350m/data=!3m1!1e3

Easiest car access is from College Point Blvd and closest legal parking is 
under the Van Wyck, a bit north of where you enter from College Point Blvd.

Hopefully, this is a Brewer's Sparrow.

Good Birding,
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RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] [ebirdsnyc] Potential (Probable?) Brewer's Sparrow in Flushing Meadows Corona Park

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I have depressingly little experience with Brewer’s Sparrow over the last 
couple of decades, but doesn’t the bright gray, unstreaked nape rule that 
species out and clinch Clay-colored Sparrow?


Kevin

From: bounce-120005161-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-120005161-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Corey Finger
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 5:45 PM
To: Rick
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L; Nyc ebirds
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] [ebirdsnyc] Potential (Probable?) Brewer's Sparrow in 
Flushing Meadows Corona Park

Original shot is here:

http://1birds.com/good-birds-on-the-queens-county-christmas-bird-count.htm

Will add the others as quickly as I can get them on the site.

Corey

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Rick 
> wrote:
Hi, those Luddites among us who don’t use Facebook can’t access this posting 
(at least I can’t). Any chance of a posting to a publicly accessible site?

Thanks,
Rick

From: ebirds...@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:ebirds...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Corey Finger 1birdsblog...@gmail.com 
[ebirdsnyc]
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 5:02 PM
To: New York >; Nyc 
ebirds >
Subject: [ebirdsnyc] Potential (Probable?) Brewer's Sparrow in Flushing Meadows 
Corona Park


The Clay-colored Sparrow found by Cesar Castillo during the Queens County CBC 
yesterday might actually be a Brewer's Sparrow.

When I got home from seeing the bird this morning I posted an image on 
Facebook. This afternoon, a very short time ago, I got texts from Tom Johnson 
and Doug Gochfeld asking for more photos as they think it's a possible Brewer's 
Sparrow. I've since added more photos to the original image on Facebook. Photos 
can be seen on the New York Birders Facebook page here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NYBirders/

In the field the bird did seem a bit pale but I never would have thought to 
check if it was a Brewer's Sparrow or not. I chalked the paleness up to my 
rarely seeing Clay-colored Sparrows and not being as familiar with them as I 
could be.

For those who want to go after this bird, the pin on this map is the location 
of the "Meditation Garden," a pine grove that serves as ground zero for the 
junco flock with which this sparrow, the Lark Sparrow, and the Pine Warblers 
travel, though the flock does range widely:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir//40.743895,-73.840194/@40.7438245,-73.8398589,350m/data=!3m1!1e3

Easiest car access is from College Point Blvd and closest legal parking is 
under the Van Wyck, a bit north of where you enter from College Point Blvd.

Hopefully, this is a Brewer's Sparrow.

Good Birding,
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Unknown mammal - escaped illegal pet @ Jamaica Bay East Pond Trail

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Wild. Not what I expected either, but a straight-forward ID. The prehensile 
tail rules out olingos. Bananas in a hav-a-heart or some other live trap works; 
I've helped catch them in Panama. Interesting creatures. I knew someone who had 
one. They eat mostly fruit and nectar, but they're still carnivores that have 
big canine teeth and can bite.

Kevin

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East Pond Trail

Baited Tommahawk traps would be appropriate, set in the trees. 
http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=tags.view=Raccoons aI suspect 
Gateway have some of these for trapping Racoons, Cats etc at the Plover sites.

From: Thomas Rhindress mailto:trhindre...@gmail.com>>
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Agree, It is a kinkajou - Potos flavus - native to Central America and northern 
South America.  Member of the raccoon familyProcyonidae. Also illegal to keep 
in NYC according to the ASPCA website.  Who would one contact to attempt a 
capture?
Tom Rhindress - Yorktown Heights, NY
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[nysbirds-l] FW: [cayugabirds-l] Tufted Duck in Ithaca today

[Kevin J. McGowan]

The male TUFTED DUCK has just been reported off the SW corner of Cayuga Lake in 
Ithaca, probably visible from state route 89.

Kevin

Kevin McGowan
Ithaca, NY

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The male TUFTED DUCK is sleeping in a small scaup flock just offshore from Hog 
Hole now.
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[nysbirds-l] FW: [cayugabirds-l] Tufted Duck in Ithaca today

[Kevin J. McGowan]

The male TUFTED DUCK has just been reported off the SW corner of Cayuga Lake in 
Ithaca, probably visible from state route 89.

Kevin

Kevin McGowan
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The male TUFTED DUCK is sleeping in a small scaup flock just offshore from Hog 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [OneidaBirds] Tufted Duck, Hog Hole, ITHACA

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Rich, thanks for posting to NYS-Birds. This is certainly a bird of state-wide 
interest.

An adult male TUFTED DUCK was seen in Ithaca today (found by Dave Nutter), 
mixed in with the enormous numbers of Redhead ducks now at the very south end 
of Cayuga Lake in Tompkins Co.  The bird was seen off and on in late afternoon 
from the northwest-most point of the trails at Alan Tremain State Marine Park, 
as well as the limited overlook of the lake on Rt 89 that goes up the west side 
of Cayuga Lake.

I personally did not see the tuft, but the position of black and white was 
diagnostic: pure white sides outlined with a black rear, a black back, and 
black head-and-neck. It spent some time sleeping, some time diving, and all the 
time bouncing up and down, in and out of the waves, and always peeking in and 
out behind Redheads.

The Redhead numbers off Ithaca today were impressive. I estimated 25,000 at one 
point. They were broken into a dozen or so tightly-packed groups, with 
individuals constantly flying and moving. Mixed in with the Redheads were much 
smaller numbers of Canvasback, Greater and Lesser scaup, Common Mergansers 
(more than I’ve seen before, at about 450 or more), and a few individuals of 
Mallard, Ring-necked Duck, and Ruddy Duck. I’m sure there were more individuals 
of other species that I failed to find amongst the impressive swarm of Redheads.

Finding the Tufted Duck tomorrow is going to be a challenge, as it was 
difficult to keep track of it in the Redhead flock when we knew more or less 
where it was.  But, the flocks have been here a week or so, and I see no reason 
that this bird shouldn’t stay around.

Kevin

Kevin McGowan
Ithaca
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Forward from Ithaca:

(I don't know where the "Hell Hole " is)

Rich Guthrie

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Dave Nutter just called to say he has a male TUFTED DUCK in the duck flock off 
Hog Hole.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [OneidaBirds] Tufted Duck, Hog Hole, ITHACA

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Rich, thanks for posting to NYS-Birds. This is certainly a bird of state-wide 
interest.

An adult male TUFTED DUCK was seen in Ithaca today (found by Dave Nutter), 
mixed in with the enormous numbers of Redhead ducks now at the very south end 
of Cayuga Lake in Tompkins Co.  The bird was seen off and on in late afternoon 
from the northwest-most point of the trails at Alan Tremain State Marine Park, 
as well as the limited overlook of the lake on Rt 89 that goes up the west side 
of Cayuga Lake.

I personally did not see the tuft, but the position of black and white was 
diagnostic: pure white sides outlined with a black rear, a black back, and 
black head-and-neck. It spent some time sleeping, some time diving, and all the 
time bouncing up and down, in and out of the waves, and always peeking in and 
out behind Redheads.

The Redhead numbers off Ithaca today were impressive. I estimated 25,000 at one 
point. They were broken into a dozen or so tightly-packed groups, with 
individuals constantly flying and moving. Mixed in with the Redheads were much 
smaller numbers of Canvasback, Greater and Lesser scaup, Common Mergansers 
(more than I’ve seen before, at about 450 or more), and a few individuals of 
Mallard, Ring-necked Duck, and Ruddy Duck. I’m sure there were more individuals 
of other species that I failed to find amongst the impressive swarm of Redheads.

Finding the Tufted Duck tomorrow is going to be a challenge, as it was 
difficult to keep track of it in the Redhead flock when we knew more or less 
where it was.  But, the flocks have been here a week or so, and I see no reason 
that this bird shouldn’t stay around.

Kevin

Kevin McGowan
Ithaca
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [OneidaBirds] Tufted Duck, Hog Hole

Forward from Ithaca:

(I don't know where the Hell Hole  is)

Rich Guthrie

Sent from my iPhone

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Dave Nutter just called to say he has a male TUFTED DUCK in the duck flock off 
Hog Hole.

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[nysbirds-l] enough avocets?

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Can the City folks calm down the avocet chatter? I don't think these posts are 
of much interest to most people on this STATEWIDE listserv.

Not trying to be mean, just tired of deleting NYC-only messages on my phone.

Keep birding,

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[nysbirds-l] enough avocets?

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Can the City folks calm down the avocet chatter? I don't think these posts are 
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Not trying to be mean, just tired of deleting NYC-only messages on my phone.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Yellow Hairy Woodpecker Pair Sparkill NY

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Looks like the result of a wet night in a nest hole in a black walnut.  This 
kind of staining is probably acquired from the environment and not genetic.

Kevin



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Male and Female Hairy Woodpeckers. Seen at backyard suit feeder Sparkill NY. 
May 15-21, 2014. The pair take turns feeding from the suit feeder in the 
morning and early afternoon. Both the male and the female are yellow in color. 
You can see photos of them here:

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Yellow Hairy Woodpecker Pair Sparkill NY

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Looks like the result of a wet night in a nest hole in a black walnut.  This 
kind of staining is probably acquired from the environment and not genetic.

Kevin



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morning and early afternoon. Both the male and the female are yellow in color. 
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[nysbirds-l] NEW webinars! The Uncommon Crow: the Hidden Life of a Familiar Bird

[Kevin J. McGowan]

A lot of New Yorkers have shown interest in my talks about crows, so I thought 
I would share these new webinars I will be presenting in the next couple of 
weeks.

Best,

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [SINaturaList] Hooded Crow in NJ

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Well, aside from the crow appearing entirely black, the belly and throat 
feathers are the wrong shape.  Hooded Crow has lanceolate (pointed) throat and 
body feathers, while they are rounded on an American Crow, like this bird.

Kevin



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From: bounce-69380502-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-69380502-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Phil Jeffrey
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:08 PM
To: Jean Loscalzo
Cc: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [SINaturaList] Hooded Crow in NJ

It's probably not a Hooded Crow - see:
http://www.howardsview.com/HoodedCrowOct21st_12/HoodedCrowBrigOct21st_12.html
where it's now tagged as a leucistic American Crow, which seems the more 
appropriate ID in light of the photos on that page (the ones on the lower part 
of the page are from the actual Hooded Crow, on LBI last year).

Phil Jeffrey
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jean Loscalzo 
mailto:dm5...@aol.com>> wrote:
As noted, this was forwarded to the SI list from NJ and might be of interest to 
some in NY.

Jean Loscalzo


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Subject: [SINaturaList] Hooded Crow in NJ

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Date:Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:37:34 -0400
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Subject: Hooded Crow, Atlantic County

Most likely the same Hooded Crow from NY --> LBI this past year, Howard Eskin 
reports that a Hooded Crow is presently along Jen's trail at Forsythe NWR.

Good birding,

Sam

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [SINaturaList] Hooded Crow in NJ

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Well, aside from the crow appearing entirely black, the belly and throat 
feathers are the wrong shape.  Hooded Crow has lanceolate (pointed) throat and 
body feathers, while they are rounded on an American Crow, like this bird.

Kevin



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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Fwd: [SINaturaList] Hooded Crow in NJ

It's probably not a Hooded Crow - see:
http://www.howardsview.com/HoodedCrowOct21st_12/HoodedCrowBrigOct21st_12.html
where it's now tagged as a leucistic American Crow, which seems the more 
appropriate ID in light of the photos on that page (the ones on the lower part 
of the page are from the actual Hooded Crow, on LBI last year).

Phil Jeffrey
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Jean Loscalzo 
dm5...@aol.commailto:dm5...@aol.com wrote:
As noted, this was forwarded to the SI list from NJ and might be of interest to 
some in NY.

Jean Loscalzo


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Most likely the same Hooded Crow from NY -- LBI this past year, Howard Eskin 
reports that a Hooded Crow is presently along Jen's trail at Forsythe NWR.

Good birding,

Sam

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RE: [nysbirds-l] common raven - east patchogue

[Kevin J. McGowan]

No, that's not a Common Raven; it's an American Crow (an adult, probably male). 
 The square tail, relatively thin bill, and smooth, short throat feathers are 
all wrong for raven, but just right for crow.  A raven should have a tail that 
is longer in the middle than the sides, a very deep bill, and long throat 
feathers.  Compare the image at 
https://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/Summer2012Birds#5758416976127251634.

I admit that the bill of your bird is large, which is why I am guessing it is a 
male crow.  The bill is big, yes, but not raven-big.

I have been following the reports of ravens on Long Island with interest.  They 
were missing from there during the 2000 Breeding Bird Atlas, but I suspected 
their return was likely.  Please keep posting about sightings and nests!


Best,

Kevin



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I saw/photographed what I believe to be a Common Raven which was outside my 
house on the powerline.  It was not in the company of any other corvids and 
appeared quite large (double the size of the Grackles that were in the yard).  
I've posted a photo on my blog - feel free to confirm or correct me - thanks.

http://birdsoflongisland.blogspot.com/2012/10/common-raven.html

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RE: [nysbirds-l] common raven - east patchogue

[Kevin J. McGowan]

No, that's not a Common Raven; it's an American Crow (an adult, probably male). 
 The square tail, relatively thin bill, and smooth, short throat feathers are 
all wrong for raven, but just right for crow.  A raven should have a tail that 
is longer in the middle than the sides, a very deep bill, and long throat 
feathers.  Compare the image at 
https://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/Summer2012Birds#5758416976127251634.

I admit that the bill of your bird is large, which is why I am guessing it is a 
male crow.  The bill is big, yes, but not raven-big.

I have been following the reports of ravens on Long Island with interest.  They 
were missing from there during the 2000 Breeding Bird Atlas, but I suspected 
their return was likely.  Please keep posting about sightings and nests!


Best,

Kevin



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Subject: [nysbirds-l] common raven - east patchogue

I saw/photographed what I believe to be a Common Raven which was outside my 
house on the powerline.  It was not in the company of any other corvids and 
appeared quite large (double the size of the Grackles that were in the yard).  
I've posted a photo on my blog - feel free to confirm or correct me - thanks.

http://birdsoflongisland.blogspot.com/2012/10/common-raven.html

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RE: Update RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss SLATY-BACKED GULL - Cohoes/Waterford

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Thanks, Will, those are helpful.

>From the additional photos I see a dirty back of the neck that is very 
>suggestive of Slaty-back, as well as a sense of the smaller size and maybe 
>lighter back.  But, the bill shape, the extent of the white edging of the 
>tertials and scapulars, and the leg color are all wrong.

Kevin

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Subject: RE: Update RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss SLATY-BACKED GULL - 
Cohoes/Waterford



I've coped the other 3 photographs that were taken by John Hershey and posted 
on HM Birds.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danikabelle/8055096162/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danikabelle/8055096343/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danikabelle/8055096603/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danikabelle/8054880897/in/photostream

These are all the known photographs at the moment.

Will Raup

Albany, NY




> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:09:55 -0400
> Subject: Re: Update RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss 
> SLATY-BACKED GULL - Cohoes/Waterford
> From: oceanwander...@gmail.com
> To: nysbird...@list.cornell.edu
>
> Echoing the points made by Kevin, I assume we are discussing the 
> subadult bird on the right?
>
> My immediate impression is of a Great Black-backed Gull (charcoal 
> rather than bluish tone of mantle, rather flat head shape, square 
> proportions of body, limited white tertial crescent, dull leg color
> etc) but of course would like to see additional images and hear from 
> the observers as to what focused their attention. The size difference 
> mentioned earlier isn't especially obvious in this picture and one has 
> to remember that male and female gulls differ in size, this being most 
> noticeable in the large species.
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> New York City
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RE: Update RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss SLATY-BACKED GULL - Cohoes/Waterford

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Thanks, Will, for doing that.

Are there notes and comments from observers?  Also, do more photos exist?  
Impressions of leg color would be most helpful.

Identifying a bird from a single photograph is perilous, but here are my 
impressions.

At first glance Slaty-backed Gull seems a reasonable suspicion.  The dirty 
markings on the head and neck, apparent darkish around the eye, and overall 
head and body shape are ok for that.  But, on closer look the steep gonydial 
angle and large, blob-ended bill, together with apparent pale leg color and 
dark upper back matching the nearby gull argue for 3rd year Great Black-backed 
Gull.  At least in this photo the white edging of the tertials is not wide 
enough to suggest Slaty-back, but just right for Great Black-backed Gull.

I look forward to seeing more images.

Best,

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY
From: bounce-68812603-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-68812603-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Will Raup
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Subject: RE: Update RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss SLATY-BACKED GULL - 
Cohoes/Waterford

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danikabelle/8054880897/in/photostream

I copied the photo to flickr.  The photo was taken by John Hershey.

Will Raup
Albany, NY


From: guthr...@gmail.com<mailto:guthr...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 17:32:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Update RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss SLATY-BACKED GULL - 
Cohoes/Waterford
To: gael...@capital.net<mailto:gael...@capital.net>; 
birdingd...@gmail.com<mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com>; 
nysbird...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:nysbird...@list.cornell.edu>

I believe you have to be a member of the HM Birds yahoo group to view the 
pictures.

Cheers,
Andy Guthrie
Hamlin, NY
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Richard Guthrie 
mailto:gael...@capital.net>> wrote:
OK - sorry folks.

Apparently the URL for the gull pictures was way too long to easily access.

Here is a re-do of it in "Tiny URL":

http://tinyurl.com/8jvuspo

Try that. I did and it works.

Have fun.

Rich Guthrie

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Subject: Update RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss SLATY-BACKED GULL -
Cohoes/Waterford

Review of photos lead some to believe the bird in question was actually a
3rd yr. Great Black-backed Gull. The observers state that there appeared to
be a noticeable and distinctive size difference. The bird was said to be
comparable to Herring Gull in size. There are no pictures of the bird in
flight.

Pictures are at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hmbirds/photos/album/77752785/pic/296175519/vi
ew?picmode=large=tn=ordinal=321=asc

The location is at the Cohoes Flats - a section of the Mohawk River that
separates Albany and Saratoga Counties. Access is tricky, but there are two
public viewing areas overlooking the hydro-electric dam and downstream
flats. If anyone is interested, I can provide access details.

Thoughts?

Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore
The Greene County
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Subject: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss SLATY-BACKED GULL -
Cohoes/Waterford

FYI...

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Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:59 AM
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Poss SLATY-BACKED GULL - Cohoes/Waterford
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Bill Lee, and his Thursday group, has what they believe to be a
SLATY-BACKED GULL (an Asian species - which has been recorded a few times
in New York State) on the dam at Cohoes/Waterford.

** **

Latest word at 10:55 AM Oct. 4th is that it has just left, flying north up
the Mohawk River in the direction of the Colonie landfill.

** **

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RE: Update RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss SLATY-BACKED GULL - Cohoes/Waterford

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Thanks, Will, those are helpful.

From the additional photos I see a dirty back of the neck that is very 
suggestive of Slaty-back, as well as a sense of the smaller size and maybe 
lighter back.  But, the bill shape, the extent of the white edging of the 
tertials and scapulars, and the leg color are all wrong.

Kevin

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Subject: RE: Update RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss SLATY-BACKED GULL - 
Cohoes/Waterford



I've coped the other 3 photographs that were taken by John Hershey and posted 
on HM Birds.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danikabelle/8055096162/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danikabelle/8055096343/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danikabelle/8055096603/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/danikabelle/8054880897/in/photostream

These are all the known photographs at the moment.

Will Raup

Albany, NY




 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:09:55 -0400
 Subject: Re: Update RE: [ebirdsnyc] Fwd: [nysbirds-l] Poss 
 SLATY-BACKED GULL - Cohoes/Waterford
 From: oceanwander...@gmail.com
 To: nysbird...@list.cornell.edu

 Echoing the points made by Kevin, I assume we are discussing the 
 subadult bird on the right?

 My immediate impression is of a Great Black-backed Gull (charcoal 
 rather than bluish tone of mantle, rather flat head shape, square 
 proportions of body, limited white tertial crescent, dull leg color
 etc) but of course would like to see additional images and hear from 
 the observers as to what focused their attention. The size difference 
 mentioned earlier isn't especially obvious in this picture and one has 
 to remember that male and female gulls differ in size, this being most 
 noticeable in the large species.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Photos of the Bell's Vireo

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Thanks for posting the photos.

Has anyone heard this bird call?  Those photos look more like a juvenile 
White-eyed Vireo than a Bell's to me.  I have never seen a Bell's Vireo with 
that bold a white stripe above the eye, or so much of an eyering going behind 
the eye.  Bell's face always strikes me as really dull (like a Warbling Vireo) 
with only a thin dark line through the eye to break it up.  This guy has 
spectacles, a white throat, and a dark cheek, with only a hint of a dark line 
behind the eye in one photo and not in the others.

Kevin



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Not the best shots - a fast-moving skulker - but hopefully enough for record 
purposes.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/collerton/


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RE: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's unusual peep ...

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Interesting bird, and it's obvious why Spoon-billed Sandpiper comes to mind.  
But, to me it looks more like a Semipalmated Sandpiper with an aberrant bill.  
It's not a spoon-billed shape, with an expansion near the tip.  Instead it's 
expanded about mid-bill and roughly triangular.

More photos, please.

Kevin



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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's unusual peep ...

Here are Anthony's pictures, reposted.

https://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/LongIslandPeep#5785205025016779426

https://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/LongIslandPeep#5785205023764052450

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's unusual peep ...

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Interesting bird, and it's obvious why Spoon-billed Sandpiper comes to mind.  
But, to me it looks more like a Semipalmated Sandpiper with an aberrant bill.  
It's not a spoon-billed shape, with an expansion near the tip.  Instead it's 
expanded about mid-bill and roughly triangular.

More photos, please.

Kevin



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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Long Island's unusual peep ...

Here are Anthony's pictures, reposted.

https://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/LongIslandPeep#5785205025016779426

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Successful Raven Fledge in Bronx

[Kevin J. McGowan]

No, Common Ravens have never been recorded having helpers.  Pairs are intensely 
territorial and their offspring leave in their first summer.

American Crows are odd in being cooperative breeders.  None of the other crows 
or raven are, except for a few populations of the Carrion Crow (in Spain).  
Many of the New World jays are cooperative breeders, as are some of the Asian 
green and blue "magpies" (but not THE magpie).

Kevin



From: Richard Guthrie [mailto:gael...@capital.net]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 5:44 AM
To: Kevin J. McGowan; 'Jack Rothman'; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Successful Raven Fledge in Bronx

Good Morning;
As with other corvids, do ravens sometimes find extended family (or outsiders?) 
joining a nesting pair to "help" during the fledgling nest stages?
If so, the third bird may be a visiting "parent".
Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore,
The Greening County
New York
gael...@capital.net<mailto:gael...@capital.net>

From: 
bounce-51391037-8863...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-51391037-8863...@list.cornell.edu>
 [mailto:bounce-51391037-8863...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin J. McGowan
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:11 PM
To: Jack Rothman; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Successful Raven Fledge in Bronx

Very cool observations.  But, the timing doesn't sound quite right.  Richard 
wrote that he thought the nest was compete around 24 February.  If we assume 
that the clutch was being laid then, an incubation start on 28 Feb is 
reasonable, and pretty close to the very few New York raven pairs for which 
I've seen data.  An incubation period of about 19 days would put hatch at 18 
March, and chicks should be 38 days old today.  That's about a week shy of a 
normal fledging, and about a month or two before a fledgling would look like a 
raven or be able to fly overhead.  They should be awkward and have tails only 
half-grown at this point.

Did the third raven have a full tail?  IF so, I wonder if it was another adult 
checking out the pair.

Keep watching!

Best,

Kevin

From: 
bounce-51385047-3714...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-51385047-3714...@list.cornell.edu>
 
[mailto:bounce-51385047-3714...@list.cornell.edu]<mailto:[mailto:bounce-51385047-3714...@list.cornell.edu]>
 On Behalf Of Jack Rothman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:52 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Successful Raven Fledge in Bronx

I went over to check on the raven's nest discovered by Richard Aracil today at 
4PM today and first saw no activity at the nest. I scanned the surrounding 
areas looking for the birds after standing around craning my neck, watching the 
enclosure that houses the water tank, for close to an hour.
When I looked up again, I saw three ravens fly over the building that houses 
the nest.  I was not able to get a photo but I definitely saw 3 ravens.  I 
tried to locate the birds but they probably landed on one of the areas on the 
building that was not visible. The buildings in Coop City are quite high and 
the angle from the ground to the top are sharp, so visibility on the top is 
difficult.
I believe this fledge is a record for the Bronx. The building is located at 120 
Elgar Place, building 34
Jack Rothman
Bronx, NY
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Successful Raven Fledge in Bronx

[Kevin J. McGowan]

No, Common Ravens have never been recorded having helpers.  Pairs are intensely 
territorial and their offspring leave in their first summer.

American Crows are odd in being cooperative breeders.  None of the other crows 
or raven are, except for a few populations of the Carrion Crow (in Spain).  
Many of the New World jays are cooperative breeders, as are some of the Asian 
green and blue magpies (but not THE magpie).

Kevin



From: Richard Guthrie [mailto:gael...@capital.net]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 5:44 AM
To: Kevin J. McGowan; 'Jack Rothman'; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Successful Raven Fledge in Bronx

Good Morning;
As with other corvids, do ravens sometimes find extended family (or outsiders?) 
joining a nesting pair to help during the fledgling nest stages?
If so, the third bird may be a visiting parent.
Rich Guthrie
New Baltimore,
The Greening County
New York
gael...@capital.netmailto:gael...@capital.net

From: 
bounce-51391037-8863...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-51391037-8863...@list.cornell.edu
 [mailto:bounce-51391037-8863...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin J. McGowan
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 6:11 PM
To: Jack Rothman; NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Successful Raven Fledge in Bronx

Very cool observations.  But, the timing doesn't sound quite right.  Richard 
wrote that he thought the nest was compete around 24 February.  If we assume 
that the clutch was being laid then, an incubation start on 28 Feb is 
reasonable, and pretty close to the very few New York raven pairs for which 
I've seen data.  An incubation period of about 19 days would put hatch at 18 
March, and chicks should be 38 days old today.  That's about a week shy of a 
normal fledging, and about a month or two before a fledgling would look like a 
raven or be able to fly overhead.  They should be awkward and have tails only 
half-grown at this point.

Did the third raven have a full tail?  IF so, I wonder if it was another adult 
checking out the pair.

Keep watching!

Best,

Kevin

From: 
bounce-51385047-3714...@list.cornell.edumailto:bounce-51385047-3714...@list.cornell.edu
 
[mailto:bounce-51385047-3714...@list.cornell.edu]mailto:[mailto:bounce-51385047-3714...@list.cornell.edu]
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Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:52 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Successful Raven Fledge in Bronx

I went over to check on the raven's nest discovered by Richard Aracil today at 
4PM today and first saw no activity at the nest. I scanned the surrounding 
areas looking for the birds after standing around craning my neck, watching the 
enclosure that houses the water tank, for close to an hour.
When I looked up again, I saw three ravens fly over the building that houses 
the nest.  I was not able to get a photo but I definitely saw 3 ravens.  I 
tried to locate the birds but they probably landed on one of the areas on the 
building that was not visible. The buildings in Coop City are quite high and 
the angle from the ground to the top are sharp, so visibility on the top is 
difficult.
I believe this fledge is a record for the Bronx. The building is located at 120 
Elgar Place, building 34
Jack Rothman
Bronx, NY
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Successful Raven Fledge in Bronx

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Very cool observations.  But, the timing doesn't sound quite right.  Richard 
wrote that he thought the nest was compete around 24 February.  If we assume 
that the clutch was being laid then, an incubation start on 28 Feb is 
reasonable, and pretty close to the very few New York raven pairs for which 
I've seen data.  An incubation period of about 19 days would put hatch at 18 
March, and chicks should be 38 days old today.  That's about a week shy of a 
normal fledging, and about a month or two before a fledgling would look like a 
raven or be able to fly overhead.  They should be awkward and have tails only 
half-grown at this point.

Did the third raven have a full tail?  IF so, I wonder if it was another adult 
checking out the pair.

Keep watching!

Best,

Kevin

From: bounce-51385047-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-51385047-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Jack Rothman
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 5:52 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Successful Raven Fledge in Bronx

I went over to check on the raven's nest discovered by Richard Aracil today at 
4PM today and first saw no activity at the nest. I scanned the surrounding 
areas looking for the birds after standing around craning my neck, watching the 
enclosure that houses the water tank, for close to an hour.
When I looked up again, I saw three ravens fly over the building that houses 
the nest.  I was not able to get a photo but I definitely saw 3 ravens.  I 
tried to locate the birds but they probably landed on one of the areas on the 
building that was not visible. The buildings in Coop City are quite high and 
the angle from the ground to the top are sharp, so visibility on the top is 
difficult.
I believe this fledge is a record for the Bronx. The building is located at 120 
Elgar Place, building 34
Jack Rothman
Bronx, NY
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[nysbirds-l] FW: [cayugabirds-l] Crow Presentation tomorrow (Saturday) Location Change

[Kevin J. McGowan]

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[mailto:bounce-40024493-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of John and Sue 
Gregoire
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:47 PM
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Crow Presentation tomorrow (Saturday) Location Change

Due to a scheduling conflict, Kevin's crow program will be at the Montour Falls 
library tomorow. That building is next door (east) of the former location. 
Starts at
1 PM. For those coming from Ithaca, be sure to visit the falls to the west of 
Main St.

John
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[nysbirds-l] FW: [cayugabirds-l] Crow Presentation tomorrow (Saturday) Location Change

[Kevin J. McGowan]

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[mailto:bounce-40024493-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of John and Sue 
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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:47 PM
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Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Crow Presentation tomorrow (Saturday) Location Change

Due to a scheduling conflict, Kevin's crow program will be at the Montour Falls 
library tomorow. That building is next door (east) of the former location. 
Starts at
1 PM. For those coming from Ithaca, be sure to visit the falls to the west of 
Main St.

John
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[nysbirds-l] Crow appreciation in Montour Falls

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I take no stand on the crow shoot in Schuyler County this coming weekend, but I 
will be giving a talk about how cool crows are at 1:00 PM Saturday, 11 Feb 
2012, at the Old Havana Courthouse Theater, 408 West Main Street, Montour 
Falls, NY.  (In the top of the County Courthouse.)  The talk is free and open 
to the public.

Several of my crow research collaborators and I will be there to talk crows, 
show photos and videos, and pass out crow trading cards.  We will have 
chocolate, too.

Come on over and see the crow show.

Kevin



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[Kevin J. McGowan]

I take no stand on the crow shoot in Schuyler County this coming weekend, but I 
will be giving a talk about how cool crows are at 1:00 PM Saturday, 11 Feb 
2012, at the Old Havana Courthouse Theater, 408 West Main Street, Montour 
Falls, NY.  (In the top of the County Courthouse.)  The talk is free and open 
to the public.

Several of my crow research collaborators and I will be there to talk crows, 
show photos and videos, and pass out crow trading cards.  We will have 
chocolate, too.

Come on over and see the crow show.

Kevin



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RE: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Seriously?  Get a grip people.  Someone already mentioned how owls bring out 
the worst in people, and I agree.  The topic always sets off a flurry of 
sanctimonious posts from people trying to tell everyone else what to do.

Mention was already made of joggers and dog walkers flushing the owls in the 
same place.  I'd rather have a herd of photographers present than one dog 
running off leash or a family of picnickers with a little kid who likes to 
chase gulls.  

It's not like these owls are coming to some pristine wilderness, they're coming 
where people live and there is nothing to be done about that.  Walking in a 
closed area or trespassing?  Wrong, wrong, wrong.  But being the only person 
avoiding approaching an owl in a public space is kind of silly.

Bottom line - have respect, for the birds, for the law, and for other people 
who might have different desires than you.

And let me suggest that getting more public to see Snowy Owls this winter 
(preferably in a spotting scope of a friendly birder) is a huge potential 
educational opportunity.  Global warming?  Why should I care?  Oh, you mean 
those owls might be hurt?  Boom, personal connection.  Just a thought.

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY
k...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452


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[mailto:bounce-39537336-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Osterlund
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

Fred speaks well, and, indeed, we need to gather all these thoughts,  
and, if nothing else, state clearly and succinctly what the problem  
is.  To contribute to this, thinking there might be significant legal  
aspects to consider, I've placed inquiry with NYSDEC, thinking them  
the most likely authority on such subjects.  I'll post further of  
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Seriously?  Get a grip people.  Someone already mentioned how owls bring out 
the worst in people, and I agree.  The topic always sets off a flurry of 
sanctimonious posts from people trying to tell everyone else what to do.

Mention was already made of joggers and dog walkers flushing the owls in the 
same place.  I'd rather have a herd of photographers present than one dog 
running off leash or a family of picnickers with a little kid who likes to 
chase gulls.  

It's not like these owls are coming to some pristine wilderness, they're coming 
where people live and there is nothing to be done about that.  Walking in a 
closed area or trespassing?  Wrong, wrong, wrong.  But being the only person 
avoiding approaching an owl in a public space is kind of silly.

Bottom line - have respect, for the birds, for the law, and for other people 
who might have different desires than you.

And let me suggest that getting more public to see Snowy Owls this winter 
(preferably in a spotting scope of a friendly birder) is a huge potential 
educational opportunity.  Global warming?  Why should I care?  Oh, you mean 
those owls might be hurt?  Boom, personal connection.  Just a thought.

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY
k...@cornell.edu
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[mailto:bounce-39537336-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Osterlund
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:58 PM
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Fred speaks well, and, indeed, we need to gather all these thoughts,  
and, if nothing else, state clearly and succinctly what the problem  
is.  To contribute to this, thinking there might be significant legal  
aspects to consider, I've placed inquiry with NYSDEC, thinking them  
the most likely authority on such subjects.  I'll post further of  
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Black-headed Gull in Setauket

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Good call, Shai.  I'd say that's a hybrid.  It looks very, very similar to a 
bird we photographed in 2002 in Woodburne, NY.  Take a look at that bird at 
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/woodburne_gull.htm.

Note especially how large the head of the Woodburne and Setauket birds are 
relative to real Black-headed Gulls.

Kevin




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[mailto:bounce-38260864-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:35 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Black-headed Gull in Setauket

This is an interesting looking bird. The head pattern and the white spots on 
the tips of the primaries make me wonder whether it might be a Black-headed x 
Ring-billed Gull hybrid. Are there any photos of the spread wings?

Best,
Shai Mitra, Bay Shore

From: bounce-38260591-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-38260591-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Sara Burch 
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 6:21 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Black-headed Gull in Setauket

During a bird walk at the Setauket Mill Pond today at 11am, we discovered a 
winter-plumage BLACK-HEADED GULL among a small group of Ring Billed Gulls on 
the main pond south of the old mill. Also present were a large number of 
American Wigeons, Gadwalls, and some Ring-necked Ducks. The Pied-billed Grebe 
that was seen on last month's walk was still around as well.

A couple of pictures of the gull are here:
http://flic.kr/p/aE68No

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Black-headed Gull in Setauket

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Good call, Shai.  I'd say that's a hybrid.  It looks very, very similar to a 
bird we photographed in 2002 in Woodburne, NY.  Take a look at that bird at 
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/woodburne_gull.htm.

Note especially how large the head of the Woodburne and Setauket birds are 
relative to real Black-headed Gulls.

Kevin




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From: bounce-38260864-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-38260864-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:35 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Black-headed Gull in Setauket

This is an interesting looking bird. The head pattern and the white spots on 
the tips of the primaries make me wonder whether it might be a Black-headed x 
Ring-billed Gull hybrid. Are there any photos of the spread wings?

Best,
Shai Mitra, Bay Shore

From: bounce-38260591-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-38260591-3714...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Sara Burch 
[s...@burch.cc]
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 6:21 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Black-headed Gull in Setauket

During a bird walk at the Setauket Mill Pond today at 11am, we discovered a 
winter-plumage BLACK-HEADED GULL among a small group of Ring Billed Gulls on 
the main pond south of the old mill. Also present were a large number of 
American Wigeons, Gadwalls, and some Ring-necked Ducks. The Pied-billed Grebe 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay 8/12 feat. Sandhill Crane

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Thanks for sharing your photos.  Your bird looks to be a LITTLE BLUE HERON.  
Here is a photo of a flying crane for comparison -- 
http://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/ChurchillManitobaJune2009Part1#5351019512762747554.
 They differ markedly in shape, as well as some other key characteristics.

Notice that your bird has a longer and pointier bill that is distinctly 
two-toned; a crane's bill would be thicker at the base, blunter on the tip, and 
all one color.  Your bird has a flatter head without a dark cap; a crane's head 
is always slightly bulbous at the back because the head feathers are short and 
do not sleek together the way a heron's do.  Your photos show a longer more 
serpentine neck with a distinct heron-kink in the middle. That is a clincher 
because nothing else has quite the same thing. Herons show it when they fly 
with their necks outstretched, but nothing else does. Notice also that your 
bird has a smaller and more compact body, especially where it tapers off at the 
legs instead of remaining rather blocky.  Young cranes are rather orangey-tan, 
not the deep wine color of your bird, and their underparts are not the same 
color as the head.

All in all, this adds up to a Little Blue Heron flying with its neck straight 
out.  It does look very Reddish Egret-like, but the bluish base of the bill and 
the head and body being the same color rule that out.

Best,

Kevin


Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY 14850


-Original Message-
From: bounce-37906946-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-37906946-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Walter
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay 8/12 feat. Sandhill Crane

I added a different shot, one that's more poorly lit, but maybe better for
shape and jizz. I also redid the entire page on a different computer.
Hopefully that solves the problem some people have been having.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: bounce-37906894-8873...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-37906894-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Walter
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:17 PM
To: 'nysbirds-l'
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay 8/12 feat. Sandhill Crane

A few people have commented that it looks like a Reddish Egret (which
wouldn't be too shabby either). Interestingly, that was the initial
impression when I showed the picture in the camera. But then the thinking
came around to Sandhill Crane. The depiction in the National Geographic
Guide of the immature is a bird with a tawny head and neck. The picture of a
juvenile in the Master Guide shows a bird that is tawny overall. The upper
parts seem maybe darker than they should be, but it could be in a
transitional plumage (takes 2 1/2 years to reach adult plumage). The dark
tip to the bill could be real or not. The bird is way out and the photo
cropped quite a bit, so it might be losing light on the tip of the bill
(which is faced away from the sun). The one thing this picture doesn't show
is what I initially saw at a better angle -- which is a very big bird flying
with outstretched neck.

Steve
 

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From: bounce-37906817-8873...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-37906817-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Walter
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:01 PM
To: 'nysbirds-l'
Cc: 'Nyc ebirds'
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay 8/12 feat. Sandhill Crane

It was a day of mixed feelings at Jamaica Bay, seeing some good birds and
bugs, birding with good company, but seeing some disheartening things.

To start, I set out for the south end of the East Pond a bit before 7 A.M.
Just after getting onto Cross Bay Blvd., I spotted an immature SANDHILL
CRANE flying westward over the boulevard at a distance to the south. I got
off a couple of pictures, then ran back to the parking lot to alert Andrew
Baksh and Seth Ausebel, who were a bit behind me. Not possessing Brett
Gardner speed, I didn't get there fast enough to get them on the bird. (We
later debated whether I was obligated to run faster or it was their job to
look up in the right place). The crane had turned northward and (from the
parking lot) appeared to be heading for a landing around the West Pond. We
were not able to find it.

The three of us, joined by Bob Kurtz, then worked the south end and up the
east side of the East Pond. If you understand that you're going to get wet,
you can make it a good distance past the raunt. A problem not always
mentioned is that with little shoreline, you can't avoid disturbing all the
birds along the way. Be that as it may, we eventually found both HUDSONIAN
GODWITS and 1 MARBLED GODWIT spending their morning on the west side of the
pond, a good distance north of the raunt. No White Ibis to be seen. Both
Marbled Godwits were later found at low tide on the bay, north of the dike.

In the afternoon, we gave the north end a shot. Here you will have your feet
in water the whole way and the only shorebirds are ones with long legs. One

RE: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay 8/12 feat. Sandhill Crane

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Thanks for sharing your photos.  Your bird looks to be a LITTLE BLUE HERON.  
Here is a photo of a flying crane for comparison -- 
http://picasaweb.google.com/37855303614931880/ChurchillManitobaJune2009Part1#5351019512762747554.
 They differ markedly in shape, as well as some other key characteristics.

Notice that your bird has a longer and pointier bill that is distinctly 
two-toned; a crane's bill would be thicker at the base, blunter on the tip, and 
all one color.  Your bird has a flatter head without a dark cap; a crane's head 
is always slightly bulbous at the back because the head feathers are short and 
do not sleek together the way a heron's do.  Your photos show a longer more 
serpentine neck with a distinct heron-kink in the middle. That is a clincher 
because nothing else has quite the same thing. Herons show it when they fly 
with their necks outstretched, but nothing else does. Notice also that your 
bird has a smaller and more compact body, especially where it tapers off at the 
legs instead of remaining rather blocky.  Young cranes are rather orangey-tan, 
not the deep wine color of your bird, and their underparts are not the same 
color as the head.

All in all, this adds up to a Little Blue Heron flying with its neck straight 
out.  It does look very Reddish Egret-like, but the bluish base of the bill and 
the head and body being the same color rule that out.

Best,

Kevin


Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY 14850


-Original Message-
From: bounce-37906946-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-37906946-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Walter
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:28 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay 8/12 feat. Sandhill Crane

I added a different shot, one that's more poorly lit, but maybe better for
shape and jizz. I also redid the entire page on a different computer.
Hopefully that solves the problem some people have been having.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: bounce-37906894-8873...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-37906894-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Walter
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:17 PM
To: 'nysbirds-l'
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay 8/12 feat. Sandhill Crane

A few people have commented that it looks like a Reddish Egret (which
wouldn't be too shabby either). Interestingly, that was the initial
impression when I showed the picture in the camera. But then the thinking
came around to Sandhill Crane. The depiction in the National Geographic
Guide of the immature is a bird with a tawny head and neck. The picture of a
juvenile in the Master Guide shows a bird that is tawny overall. The upper
parts seem maybe darker than they should be, but it could be in a
transitional plumage (takes 2 1/2 years to reach adult plumage). The dark
tip to the bill could be real or not. The bird is way out and the photo
cropped quite a bit, so it might be losing light on the tip of the bill
(which is faced away from the sun). The one thing this picture doesn't show
is what I initially saw at a better angle -- which is a very big bird flying
with outstretched neck.

Steve
 

-Original Message-
From: bounce-37906817-8873...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-37906817-8873...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Walter
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:01 PM
To: 'nysbirds-l'
Cc: 'Nyc ebirds'
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Jamaica Bay 8/12 feat. Sandhill Crane

It was a day of mixed feelings at Jamaica Bay, seeing some good birds and
bugs, birding with good company, but seeing some disheartening things.

To start, I set out for the south end of the East Pond a bit before 7 A.M.
Just after getting onto Cross Bay Blvd., I spotted an immature SANDHILL
CRANE flying westward over the boulevard at a distance to the south. I got
off a couple of pictures, then ran back to the parking lot to alert Andrew
Baksh and Seth Ausebel, who were a bit behind me. Not possessing Brett
Gardner speed, I didn't get there fast enough to get them on the bird. (We
later debated whether I was obligated to run faster or it was their job to
look up in the right place). The crane had turned northward and (from the
parking lot) appeared to be heading for a landing around the West Pond. We
were not able to find it.

The three of us, joined by Bob Kurtz, then worked the south end and up the
east side of the East Pond. If you understand that you're going to get wet,
you can make it a good distance past the raunt. A problem not always
mentioned is that with little shoreline, you can't avoid disturbing all the
birds along the way. Be that as it may, we eventually found both HUDSONIAN
GODWITS and 1 MARBLED GODWIT spending their morning on the west side of the
pond, a good distance north of the raunt. No White Ibis to be seen. Both
Marbled Godwits were later found at low tide on the bay, north of the dike.

In the afternoon, we gave the north end a shot. Here you will have your feet
in water the whole way and the only shorebirds are ones with long legs. One

[nysbirds-l] Pine Siskin on Yellow Barn Rd, Dryden

[Kevin J. McGowan]

As I was preparing to leave for work this morning I glanced out at my feeder 
and was surprised to find a PINE SISKIN with a batch of American Goldfinches.

Yellow Barn Road is west of the village of Dryden in Tompkins Co.

Kevin





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[nysbirds-l] Pine Siskin on Yellow Barn Rd, Dryden

[Kevin J. McGowan]

As I was preparing to leave for work this morning I glanced out at my feeder 
and was surprised to find a PINE SISKIN with a batch of American Goldfinches.

Yellow Barn Road is west of the village of Dryden in Tompkins Co.

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[nysbirds-l] Around the lake - Prothonotary breeding probable

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I went around the lake today and saw many of the same birds Dave Nutter just 
posted.  I have a few observations to add.

I had nothing at Myers Point, but had a GRASSHOPPER SPARROW on Long Point Rd, 
and one RED-HEADED WOODPECKER just south of Aurora.  At East Road/Towpath I had 
75 Lesser Yellowlegs, and 3 peeps.  One larger peep was a WHITE-RUMPED 
SANDPIPER, and I think the other two were Semipalmated Sandpipers.  At one 
point one to two hundred ducks took to the air and circled around before 
landing.  Most were Mallards and Green-winged Teal, but I was a little 
surprised to see a pair of Gadwall, a pair of American Wigeon, and two pairs of 
Northern Shovelers in the flock.

At Armitage Road I had a singing CERULEAN WARBLER (one also around the 
buildings at Montezuma).  One PROTHONOTARY WARBLER sang on and off north of the 
road.  I finally got a look and saw a drab Prothonotary with food in its bill 
just as another sang to my right and very close by. Both male and female in 
view at once!  Both birds went at separate times to the same spot near the 
ground and behind a tree trunk, and I conclude they were feeding a fledgling.  
I managed only poor photos of the Prothonotaries, but did get both male and 
female carrying food.  (See 
http://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/Birds2011# for the photos, along 
with a number of other birds from today.)

A trip through the Empire Farm Days did not turn up the hoped-for Upland 
Sandpiper, but did provide numbers of Horned Larks, Eastern Meadowlarks, 
Savannah Sparrows, and lots and lots of European Starlings.  I had been warned 
when I phoned for permission that they were cutting hay and I was likely to be 
disappointed.  But, my first VESPER SPARROW of the year at the corner of 
Cosad/Seybolt roads helped me over the disappointment.

Kevin


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[nysbirds-l] Around the lake - Prothonotary breeding probable

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I went around the lake today and saw many of the same birds Dave Nutter just 
posted.  I have a few observations to add.

I had nothing at Myers Point, but had a GRASSHOPPER SPARROW on Long Point Rd, 
and one RED-HEADED WOODPECKER just south of Aurora.  At East Road/Towpath I had 
75 Lesser Yellowlegs, and 3 peeps.  One larger peep was a WHITE-RUMPED 
SANDPIPER, and I think the other two were Semipalmated Sandpipers.  At one 
point one to two hundred ducks took to the air and circled around before 
landing.  Most were Mallards and Green-winged Teal, but I was a little 
surprised to see a pair of Gadwall, a pair of American Wigeon, and two pairs of 
Northern Shovelers in the flock.

At Armitage Road I had a singing CERULEAN WARBLER (one also around the 
buildings at Montezuma).  One PROTHONOTARY WARBLER sang on and off north of the 
road.  I finally got a look and saw a drab Prothonotary with food in its bill 
just as another sang to my right and very close by. Both male and female in 
view at once!  Both birds went at separate times to the same spot near the 
ground and behind a tree trunk, and I conclude they were feeding a fledgling.  
I managed only poor photos of the Prothonotaries, but did get both male and 
female carrying food.  (See 
http://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/Birds2011# for the photos, along 
with a number of other birds from today.)

A trip through the Empire Farm Days did not turn up the hoped-for Upland 
Sandpiper, but did provide numbers of Horned Larks, Eastern Meadowlarks, 
Savannah Sparrows, and lots and lots of European Starlings.  I had been warned 
when I phoned for permission that they were cutting hay and I was likely to be 
disappointed.  But, my first VESPER SPARROW of the year at the corner of 
Cosad/Seybolt roads helped me over the disappointment.

Kevin


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[nysbirds-l] Eurasian Jackdaws in America

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Back in 1994 I was asked about the status of jackdaws in North America by a 
friend at the British Trust for Ornithology. He was writing a species account 
for some book that I forget what it was.  I did a bit of digging and sent the 
following in a letter on 1 June 1994 (2 years pre-email for me).  I don't know 
if he used the material or not.

Kevin

Cornell Lab of Ornithology
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***

The first Jackdaw reported in North America was in December 1962 or early 1963 
in Fort Myers, Florida, and was regarded as an escaped cage bird (Stevenson, H. 
M. 1963. Florida Region. Audubon Field Notes 17: 319-323.) The first accepted 
natural occurrences were in the early 1980's on islands off the coast of the 
northern Atlantic states and provinces. The first was a bird found on Nantucket 
Island, Massachusetts in November 1982 (Forster, R. A. 1983. Northeastern 
maritime region. American Birds 37: 157). A number of Jackdaws (at least 9) 
turned up in the spring and summer of 1984 in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, 
Miquelon Island (French Overseas Department), and Nova Scotia. A good case was 
made for natural vagrancy: appropriate weather conditions, at the peak of 
spring migration in Western Europe, following a heavy fall irruption (Smith, P. 
W. 1985. Jackdaws reach the New World. American Birds 39: 255-258). Only those 
Jackdaws in Massachusetts and Miquelon were seen for extended periods of time, 
and I will discuss them below. With two other exceptions (explained below), 
only scattered sightings were reported subsequent to this influx of birds. 
Single Jackdaws were reported from a small island off the coast of Maine (11 
June 1985); Cape Sable, Nova Scotia (March through May 1986); and Connecticut 
(16 February to 13 March 1988). One individual was seen in Halifax, Nova Scotia 
December 1984 through March 1985. Another individual with a malformed beak was 
seen there November 1988 through March (?) 1989, and again in November 1989 
through March 1990.

A large number of Jackdaws (52) were found November 1984 in Quebec Province at 
the port city of Port-Cartier on the north shore of the Gulf of St. Lawrence 
(Yank, R. & Y. Aubry. 1985. Quebec Region. American Birds 39: 148-150). 
Subsequent information indicated that the birds had arrived on board a French 
freighter that had picked the birds up lost at sea off southern England (Yank, 
R., Y. Aubry, & M. Gosselin. 1987. Quebec Region. American Birds 41: 61-63). 
According to Yank & Aubry (1985) someone in the Quebec Fish and Game Department 
decided that the Jackdaws had been ship transported and were "an unwelcome 
addition" to the local avifauna, and therefore instituted an eradication 
program. By late March 1985, most of the birds had been shot or poisoned (Yank 
& Aubry 1985). I can find no subsequent reports of Jackdaws from Quebec.

The single bird on Nantucket remained in the area for over a year, and was 
joined by a second in July 1984 (Tingley, S. I. 1984. Northeastern maritime 
region. American Birds 38: 999) . Two birds were there over the following 
winter, but only one was present the next spring. The last sighting reported 
was 8 December 1986 (Nikula, B. 1987. Northeastern maritime region. American 
Birds 41: 256). No attempts at breeding were reported.

Three Jackdaws were on the Islands of St. Pierre-Miquelon, possessions of 
France off the coast of Newfoundland, in March 1984 (Nikula, B. 1984. 
Northeastern maritime region. American Birds 38: 886). A fourth bird was found 
18 July 1984. One pair "occupied a fairly small territory for almost three 
months" in 1985, but no breeding was discovered; a third bird "seemed to be 
paired with a[n American] Crow" (R. Etcheberry in Tingley, S. I. 1985. 
Northeastern maritime region. American Birds 39: 888). The pair disappeared in 
July 1985, and the third bird was seen until August 1985. Two were sighted 
again on 18 April 1986. A single Jackdaw was reported 27 June 1991, and it was 
seen until 28 September 1991.

A pair of Jackdaws turned up far inland at Lewisburg, Pennsylvania in mid-March 
1985. The two lived in a maximum security prison, and apparently nested there 
several times. Fledglings were seen on several occasions, but no birds other 
than the pair were seen repeatedly. One of the pair apparently died in 1991, 
and the other disappeared some time in 1992. 

I can find no reports of Jackdaws in North America since 1992. I have heard of 
no other organized efforts to control their spread other than the Quebec one, 
but I'm not sure how well they would have been publicized. It would appear that 
Jackdaws established themselves nowhere, and the immigrants gradually died out. 
The only known breeding attempts were by the pair in Pennsylvania, and they did 
not seem very successful. It appears that the existence of Jackdaws in North 
America was just a brief, exciting thing. I, unfortunately, never got 

RE: [nysbirds-l] Hooded Crow - way off topic, but funny

[Kevin J. McGowan]

It runs in the family.  
http://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/CrowBehavior#5490829932431659490

Kevin

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[mailto:bounce-37733395-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Zablocky
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:02 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; eBirds
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Hooded Crow - way off topic, but funny

I came across this photo while searching for images of Hooded Crows. I wonder 
if alcoholism is a trait common to most individuals of this species?

http://www.birdphoto.fi/uutiset/C4_%20MVaresvuo_HoodedCrow.jpg



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RE: [nysbirds-l] Hooded Crow - Great Kills Park, Staten Island 6/20

[Kevin J. McGowan]

This is a very interesting bird.  I too suspected House Crow (also black and 
silver and much more likely to hang out on ships), but this is indeed a Hooded 
Crow.

It is a yearling (hatched 2010) and appears to be proceeding along the normal 
American Crow molt schedule (just starting to lose inner primary, secondary, 
and a number of greater coverts; same as lots of American Crows right now).

I do not see any sign of abnormal feather wear.  Everything looks like a normal 
yearling crow.

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY 14850

From: bounce-37731909-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-37731909-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Rawshanks
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:50 PM
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Subject: [nysbirds-l] Hooded Crow - Great Kills Park, Staten Island 6/20

A Hooded Crow was seen and photographed by Seth Wollney (and later myself) 
yesterday (6/20) at the Crookes Point "fisherman's" parking lot at Great Kills 
Park on Staten Island. The bird was present until sundown yesterday, but has 
not been relocated as of this morning. Supposedly, the bird had been present 
for at least a few days prior and had been seen by some of the locals. There 
has been some discussion about the origin of the bird and whether or not it may 
constitute a legitimate wild individual or an escape.  If anyone on this list 
could share some insight on the status of this bird in captivity, it would be 
helpful.  Dick Veit and Shai Mitra have been contacted, and we are currently 
waiting for their input. I will post the pictures to the Staten Island 
Naturalist website later today (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sinaturalist). If 
anyone goes for the bird, be aware that Crooke's Point allows parking by permit 
only. You can park at the last paved lot and walk down the gravel road towards 
the "fisherman's" lot.

Thanks.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Hooded Crow - Great Kills Park, Staten Island 6/20

[Kevin J. McGowan]

This is a very interesting bird.  I too suspected House Crow (also black and 
silver and much more likely to hang out on ships), but this is indeed a Hooded 
Crow.

It is a yearling (hatched 2010) and appears to be proceeding along the normal 
American Crow molt schedule (just starting to lose inner primary, secondary, 
and a number of greater coverts; same as lots of American Crows right now).

I do not see any sign of abnormal feather wear.  Everything looks like a normal 
yearling crow.

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY 14850

From: bounce-37731909-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-37731909-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Rawshanks
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:50 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Hooded Crow - Great Kills Park, Staten Island 6/20

A Hooded Crow was seen and photographed by Seth Wollney (and later myself) 
yesterday (6/20) at the Crookes Point fisherman's parking lot at Great Kills 
Park on Staten Island. The bird was present until sundown yesterday, but has 
not been relocated as of this morning. Supposedly, the bird had been present 
for at least a few days prior and had been seen by some of the locals. There 
has been some discussion about the origin of the bird and whether or not it may 
constitute a legitimate wild individual or an escape.  If anyone on this list 
could share some insight on the status of this bird in captivity, it would be 
helpful.  Dick Veit and Shai Mitra have been contacted, and we are currently 
waiting for their input. I will post the pictures to the Staten Island 
Naturalist website later today (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sinaturalist). If 
anyone goes for the bird, be aware that Crooke's Point allows parking by permit 
only. You can park at the last paved lot and walk down the gravel road towards 
the fisherman's lot.

Thanks.

-Mike Shanley

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Hooded Crow - way off topic, but funny

[Kevin J. McGowan]

It runs in the family.  
http://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/CrowBehavior#5490829932431659490

Kevin

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[mailto:bounce-37733395-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Zablocky
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:02 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L; eBirds
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Hooded Crow - way off topic, but funny

I came across this photo while searching for images of Hooded Crows. I wonder 
if alcoholism is a trait common to most individuals of this species?

http://www.birdphoto.fi/uutiset/C4_%20MVaresvuo_HoodedCrow.jpg



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RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] hummer at feeder - and basic manners

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Good thinking, but why not look at the more recent data from the 2nd atlas?  Go 
to http://www.dec.ny.gov/cfmx/extapps/bba/ for the online maps, or buy the book 
(I get no royalties!).  ;^)

Really, though, the question to ask yourself about any posting to NYSbirds-L 
is, "is this report of interest to people throughout New York STATE?"  If not, 
use some other, regional list.  STATE rarities, odd out-of-range sightings, 
unusual dates, new range expansions, regional specialties of interest to 
travelers, and the like are useful to this list.  Common backyard birds, even 
in the NYC region, are not.

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY
k...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452


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[mailto:bounce-35909794-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Zygala and 
Lucinda Shastid
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Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] hummer at feeder - and basic manners

I noticed that in Mr. Kedenburg's posting that he stated, "There 
are many breeding RT Hummingbirds throughout the State of N
and New England," so he seems to feel that Mr. Block's posting is 
boring, irrelevant, or worse.  So, I decided to look at the 1988 
"Atlas of Breeding Birds in New York State" for information. 
Both the maps and the text state that Ruby-Throated Hummingbird 
occurs almost exclusively in the northern part of Westchester 
County.  Therefore, evidence of possible breeding in Bronxville 
(southern Westchester County) is somewhat unusual.  The atlas 
also shows the Mr. Kedenburg's flat statement is incorrect.

The real problem seems to be the tone of Mr. Kedenburg's posting. 
  To my eye it is most certainly rude, and somewhat 
condescending.  I don't see why anyone on this list needs to be 
subjected to this kind of postig.

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RE: Re:[nysbirds-l] hummer at feeder - and basic manners

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Good thinking, but why not look at the more recent data from the 2nd atlas?  Go 
to http://www.dec.ny.gov/cfmx/extapps/bba/ for the online maps, or buy the book 
(I get no royalties!).  ;^)

Really, though, the question to ask yourself about any posting to NYSbirds-L 
is, is this report of interest to people throughout New York STATE?  If not, 
use some other, regional list.  STATE rarities, odd out-of-range sightings, 
unusual dates, new range expansions, regional specialties of interest to 
travelers, and the like are useful to this list.  Common backyard birds, even 
in the NYC region, are not.

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY
k...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452


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[mailto:bounce-35909794-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Zygala and 
Lucinda Shastid
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 6:57 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Subject: Re:[nysbirds-l] hummer at feeder - and basic manners

I noticed that in Mr. Kedenburg's posting that he stated, There 
are many breeding RT Hummingbirds throughout the State of N
and New England, so he seems to feel that Mr. Block's posting is 
boring, irrelevant, or worse.  So, I decided to look at the 1988 
Atlas of Breeding Birds in New York State for information. 
Both the maps and the text state that Ruby-Throated Hummingbird 
occurs almost exclusively in the northern part of Westchester 
County.  Therefore, evidence of possible breeding in Bronxville 
(southern Westchester County) is somewhat unusual.  The atlas 
also shows the Mr. Kedenburg's flat statement is incorrect.

The real problem seems to be the tone of Mr. Kedenburg's posting. 
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Thayer's/Kumlien's thingy photos & video

[Kevin J. McGowan]

For those interested in arcane gull things, check out the research photos of 
Thayer's Gull wings generously supplied at my request a number of years ago by 
Dennis Paulson at the U of PS Slater Museum: 
http://www2.ups.edu/biology/museum/gullwings4.

Kevin


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Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Thayer's/Kumlien's thingy photos & video

...
For those interested in following the details, a good place to start
is this comparison of the wings from the University of Puget Sound
museum. Upper: adult Thayer's, Jan; Lower: adult Herring Gull (note:
this is a 'western' American Herring), Dec.; both from Washington
State.

http://www2.ups.edu/biology/museum/THGU-HEGUwing1.jpg
http://www2.ups.edu/biology/museum/THGU-HEGUwing2.jpg

Remember these are just single wings and do not address the issue of
individual variation - a thorny issue that often confounds the
identification of large gulls.

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RE: [nysbirds-l] Thayer's/Kumlien's thingy photos video

[Kevin J. McGowan]

For those interested in arcane gull things, check out the research photos of 
Thayer's Gull wings generously supplied at my request a number of years ago by 
Dennis Paulson at the U of PS Slater Museum: 
http://www2.ups.edu/biology/museum/gullwings4.

Kevin


Kevin J. McGowan
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607-254-2452


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[mailto:bounce-9095404-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Angus Wilson
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:19 PM
To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Thayer's/Kumlien's thingy photos  video

...
For those interested in following the details, a good place to start
is this comparison of the wings from the University of Puget Sound
museum. Upper: adult Thayer's, Jan; Lower: adult Herring Gull (note:
this is a 'western' American Herring), Dec.; both from Washington
State.

http://www2.ups.edu/biology/museum/THGU-HEGUwing1.jpg
http://www2.ups.edu/biology/museum/THGU-HEGUwing2.jpg

Remember these are just single wings and do not address the issue of
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[cayugabirds-l] Ring-necked Duck X Greater Scaup hybrid at Stewart Park, Ithaca

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I have put a photo of the hybrid duck Jay found this morning at 
https://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/Birds2011#5583354667553091330.

The photo shows the bird in close comparison with a male Ring-necked Duck.  The 
fainter, but present, ring on the bill and white shoulder mark, nearly tufted 
head, and darkish back all shout Ring-necked Duck as one parent.  But the paler 
back, greenish cast to head, expanded tip to bill, and prominent cheeks are 
Greater Scaup characteristics.  An interesting bird.

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY
k...@cornell.edu<mailto:k...@cornell.edu>
607-254-2452


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[cayugabirds-l] Ring-necked Duck X Greater Scaup hybrid at Stewart Park, Ithaca

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I have put a photo of the hybrid duck Jay found this morning at 
https://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/Birds2011#5583354667553091330.

The photo shows the bird in close comparison with a male Ring-necked Duck.  The 
fainter, but present, ring on the bill and white shoulder mark, nearly tufted 
head, and darkish back all shout Ring-necked Duck as one parent.  But the paler 
back, greenish cast to head, expanded tip to bill, and prominent cheeks are 
Greater Scaup characteristics.  An interesting bird.

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan
Ithaca, NY
k...@cornell.edumailto:k...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452


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RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

[Kevin J. McGowan]

What a great goose weekend!  Wish I could have been there.

Just for the record, on 13 November 2010 I had a blue phase Ross's x Snow 
hybrid at Knox-Marcellus marsh at Montezuma NWR, along with a white hybrid.  
The bird had the Ross's's blue phase coloring, quite different from the "Blue" 
Snows present.  Although the overall look was the same, it did not have the 
clear, straight rear beak edge that your bird has that indicates a pure(ish?) 
Ross's Goose.  Unfortunately, I got no photographs of my bird.  Congratulations 
on a great sighting with good documentation.

I feel the need to comment on Shawn's statement about the records of high 
counts in the state.  While eBird is a great tool and one of the first places I 
look for these kinds of data, it does not have anywhere near all of the 
historical data yet, and many (most?) of the listed "high counts" are nothing 
of the kind.  A quick perusal of Bull 1974 or Levine 1998 shows published 
maximum counts far surpassing many of those listed on that eBird page.  Lots 
are an order of magnitude or more higher.

I do not want to take anything away from eBird.  It is, perhaps, the best tool 
we could hope for to keep track of New York bird data and points toward a 
bright future.  But, to rely on it alone at this point is to neglect a great, 
nearly 200-year-old, history of bird study in New York.  There were some big 
changes in bird populations in the 19th and 20th centuries, and many New 
Yorkers were there to document them.  It would be very poor scholarship indeed 
to ignore those contributions.  Although none are available online yet, New 
York has more than the average number of books on the birds of the state: DeKay 
1844, Eaton 1910-1914, Bull 1974, Anderle and Carroll 1988, Levine 1998, and 
McGowan and Corwin 2008.  All are recommended references for people interested 
in birds of New York.

NYSARC is a splendid resource, and happily all of the reports are available at 
http://nybirds.org/NYSARC/NYSARCActions.html.  The committee does a good job of 
keeping track of listed species, and when push comes to shove, its reports are 
the only rigorously reviewed and official record of rare birds in the state.  
But, it does not track anything except review species, and a number of birds 
such as Ross's Goose have dropped off the list because of their increased 
frequency of occurrence in the state.  Then we have to rely on published 
reports in The Kingbird, which fortunately also has a good web presence with a 
searchable archive of all issues at http://nybirds.org/KBsearch.htm.  Not 
reported, not reviewed? Why should anyone believe them?

I look forward to John's compilation of reports of Ross's Geese.  The species 
was first officially recorded in New York in 1983 (my first was in 1991).  
Since then it has been reported nearly annually, with numbers increasing along 
with increased Snow and Ross's goose populations breeding in the Arctic.  Five 
in one flock doesn't surprise me in the least.  I expect more in the future, 
and will be watching for them.

Best,

Kevin

From: bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shawn Billerman
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 4:04 PM
To: vanh...@citlink.net; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

Hi John,

I thought I'd chime in on this discussion.  On October 24, 2008, Tom Johnson 
and I had 9 Ross's Geese on the Main Pool on the Wildlife Drive of Montezuma 
National Wildlife Refuge.

This data, and high count data for all other species recorded in the state can 
be found in eBird.  For NY, this data can be seen here:

http://ebird.org/ebird/sightings?locInfo.regionType=subnational1=high_count=1900=true=2011=US-NY

High count data can also be found for individual counties, hotspots, or 
Important Bird Areas.

While some historical data may be missing and not yet entered, high count data 
(especially for NY) is very complete and up-to-date.

It is difficult to tell, but I do believe that this is likely the first record 
of a Blue Ross' Goose for NY.  It's a spectacular find, and has been nicely 
documented.

Good Birding,

Shawn Billerman
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, 
mailto:vanh...@citlink.net>> wrote:
A quick search of the Kingbird Archives turned up several records of two Ross's 
Geese, one record of three RG, and a record of (5) five Ross's Geese present at 
the Savannah Mucklands 11/18/06.  All other records I found indicate a single 
bird.  If I didn't miss records, this is only the second time that (5) birds 
have been present in New York.  I also looked for records of Blue-phase Ross's 
Geese and found none.  John Haas

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3) 

RE: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

[Kevin J. McGowan]

What a great goose weekend!  Wish I could have been there.

Just for the record, on 13 November 2010 I had a blue phase Ross's x Snow 
hybrid at Knox-Marcellus marsh at Montezuma NWR, along with a white hybrid.  
The bird had the Ross's's blue phase coloring, quite different from the Blue 
Snows present.  Although the overall look was the same, it did not have the 
clear, straight rear beak edge that your bird has that indicates a pure(ish?) 
Ross's Goose.  Unfortunately, I got no photographs of my bird.  Congratulations 
on a great sighting with good documentation.

I feel the need to comment on Shawn's statement about the records of high 
counts in the state.  While eBird is a great tool and one of the first places I 
look for these kinds of data, it does not have anywhere near all of the 
historical data yet, and many (most?) of the listed high counts are nothing 
of the kind.  A quick perusal of Bull 1974 or Levine 1998 shows published 
maximum counts far surpassing many of those listed on that eBird page.  Lots 
are an order of magnitude or more higher.

I do not want to take anything away from eBird.  It is, perhaps, the best tool 
we could hope for to keep track of New York bird data and points toward a 
bright future.  But, to rely on it alone at this point is to neglect a great, 
nearly 200-year-old, history of bird study in New York.  There were some big 
changes in bird populations in the 19th and 20th centuries, and many New 
Yorkers were there to document them.  It would be very poor scholarship indeed 
to ignore those contributions.  Although none are available online yet, New 
York has more than the average number of books on the birds of the state: DeKay 
1844, Eaton 1910-1914, Bull 1974, Anderle and Carroll 1988, Levine 1998, and 
McGowan and Corwin 2008.  All are recommended references for people interested 
in birds of New York.

NYSARC is a splendid resource, and happily all of the reports are available at 
http://nybirds.org/NYSARC/NYSARCActions.html.  The committee does a good job of 
keeping track of listed species, and when push comes to shove, its reports are 
the only rigorously reviewed and official record of rare birds in the state.  
But, it does not track anything except review species, and a number of birds 
such as Ross's Goose have dropped off the list because of their increased 
frequency of occurrence in the state.  Then we have to rely on published 
reports in The Kingbird, which fortunately also has a good web presence with a 
searchable archive of all issues at http://nybirds.org/KBsearch.htm.  Not 
reported, not reviewed? Why should anyone believe them?

I look forward to John's compilation of reports of Ross's Geese.  The species 
was first officially recorded in New York in 1983 (my first was in 1991).  
Since then it has been reported nearly annually, with numbers increasing along 
with increased Snow and Ross's goose populations breeding in the Arctic.  Five 
in one flock doesn't surprise me in the least.  I expect more in the future, 
and will be watching for them.

Best,

Kevin

From: bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-8873543-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Shawn Billerman
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 4:04 PM
To: vanh...@citlink.net; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Ross's Geese

Hi John,

I thought I'd chime in on this discussion.  On October 24, 2008, Tom Johnson 
and I had 9 Ross's Geese on the Main Pool on the Wildlife Drive of Montezuma 
National Wildlife Refuge.

This data, and high count data for all other species recorded in the state can 
be found in eBird.  For NY, this data can be seen here:

http://ebird.org/ebird/sightings?locInfo.regionType=subnational1listType=high_countbeginYear=1900continuous=trueendYear=2011locInfo.regionCode=US-NY

High count data can also be found for individual counties, hotspots, or 
Important Bird Areas.

While some historical data may be missing and not yet entered, high count data 
(especially for NY) is very complete and up-to-date.

It is difficult to tell, but I do believe that this is likely the first record 
of a Blue Ross' Goose for NY.  It's a spectacular find, and has been nicely 
documented.

Good Birding,

Shawn Billerman
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, 
vanh...@citlink.netmailto:vanh...@citlink.net wrote:
A quick search of the Kingbird Archives turned up several records of two Ross's 
Geese, one record of three RG, and a record of (5) five Ross's Geese present at 
the Savannah Mucklands 11/18/06.  All other records I found indicate a single 
bird.  If I didn't miss records, this is only the second time that (5) birds 
have been present in New York.  I also looked for records of Blue-phase Ross's 
Geese and found none.  John Haas

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RE:[cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] NYS Birding Checklists

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Corey,

Thank you for sharing your compilation.  I will be saving a copy.

I highly recommend looking at The Second Atlas of Breeding Birds in New York 
State for more information and more references.  The book took a very 
historical theme, and you can find many interesting citations.  A quick flip 
through the Literature Cited found the following important references that are 
not in your list.  A number of more modern references are also missing.

DeKay, J. E. (alternatively spelled De Kay or Dekay) 1844. Zoology of New York, 
or the New York fauna. Part 2: birds. Carroll and Cook, Albany, NY.[

Eaton, E. H. 1953. Birds of New York 1910 to 1930. Kingbird 3:52-55.

Mearns, E. A. 1879. A list of the birds of the Hudson Highlands, with 
annotations. Bulletin of the Essex Institute 11:193-196.

Merriam, C. H. 1881. Preliminary list of birds ascertained to occur in the 
Adirondack region, northeastern New York. Bulletin of the Nuttall 
Ornithological Club 6:225-235.

Rathbun, F. R. 1879. A revised list of birds of central New York. Daily 
Advertiser and Weekly Journal Printing House, Auburn, NY.

Reed, H. D., and A. H. Wright. 1909. The vertebrates of the Cayuga Lake Basin, 
N.Y. Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society 48:370-459.

Best,

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan, Ph.D.
Instructor
Home Study Course in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
hst...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452

From: bounce-7856447-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-7856447-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Corey Finger
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:12 AM
To: New York
Subject: [nysbirds-l] NYS Birding Checklists

Thanks to everyone who shared info and knowledge about old checklists from 
around New York State.  There are lots!

First, having a reference librarian respond is helpful, as Donna Schulman let 
me know about a tool to find some lists (I will include her information about 
that below my signature).  Thanks to Andy Guthrie (who also pointed out that 
many of the older works are available for free online as google books), Joseph 
Dicostanzo (who provided a ton of info), Jerry Lazarczyk, Harry Maas, Bill 
Purcell, Brett Ewald, and Sally Svenson for responding with information about 
checklists from around New York State.  Below are all of the checklists about 
which I was informed.  Sorry about the different formats but I largely 
cut-and-pasted and edited directly from other folks' emails.  Please note that 
the geographical areas I divided the lists into are pretty rough...

WESTERN NEW YORK
Birds of Western New York by Ernest Short from 1893. He lived in Chili, NY (a 
suburb of Rochester), and the checklist was printed by A. M. Eddy in Albion, 
NY. It is a 13 page checklist.

A Popular Account of the Bird life of the Finger Lakes Section of New York, 
with Main Reference to the Summer Season by C. J. Spiker (1935, Roosevelt 
Wildlife Bulletin Volume 6, Number 3)

The Birds of Livingston County , New York by K. Fox (1998, Proceedings of the 
Rochester Academy of Science, vol. 18, no. 4)

Studies of breeding birds in the Allegany State Park by A. A. Saunders (1938, 
New York State Museum bulletin, no. 318)

Birds of the Niagara Frontier Region: An Annotated Checklist by C. S. Beardslee 
and H. D. Mitchell (1965, Buffalo Society of Natural Sciences)

CENTRAL NEW YORK
Annotated list of the birds of Oneida County, N.Y., and of the west Canada 
Creek Valley by Egbert Bagg, published in Utica, NY, by the Press of T.J. 
Griffiths, 1912

The Birds of Central New York Marshes by A. A. Saunders (1926, Roosevelt 
Wildlife Bulletin Volume 3, Number 3)

Ornithology of the Oneida Lake Region: with reference to the late spring and 
summer seasons by D. Stoner (1932, Roosevelt Wild Life Annuals, volume 2, nos. 
3 and 4, New York State College of Forestry at Syracuse University)

ADIRONDACKS / NORTHERN NY
Summer Birds of the Adirondacks in Franklin County, N.Y., from 1877, by 
Roosevelt and Minot.

Birdlife of the Adirondack Park by B. Beehler (1978, Adirondack Mountain Club)

The Summer Birds of the Northern Adirondack Mountains by A. A. Saunders (1929, 
Roosevelt Wildlife Bulletin Volume 5, Number 3)

Birds of Essex County, New York by G. Carleton (1999, High Peaks Audubon 
Society)

Birds of Clinton County, Second Edition by C. W. Mitchell and W. E. Krueger 
(1997, High Peaks Audubon Society)

There was a list put together by resident/members of the "Trudeau Bird Club" at 
the Trudeau tuberculosis sanitarium in Saranac Lake, reprinted from the October 
1904 issue of Outdoor Life.  It recorded local arrival dates of 163 birds. It 
is on file as a pamphlet in the Adirondack Room at the Saranac Lake Library: 
T867b pam.

MOUNTAIN REGIONS
Notes on Some Birds of the Adirondack and Catskill Mountains, New York by K. C. 
Parkes (1954, Annals of the Carnegie Museum )

CATSKILLS
A Review of the Summer Birds of a Part of the Catskill Mountains, with 
Prefatory Remarks on the Faunal 

RE:[cayugabirds-l] [nysbirds-l] NYS Birding Checklists

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Corey,

Thank you for sharing your compilation.  I will be saving a copy.

I highly recommend looking at The Second Atlas of Breeding Birds in New York 
State for more information and more references.  The book took a very 
historical theme, and you can find many interesting citations.  A quick flip 
through the Literature Cited found the following important references that are 
not in your list.  A number of more modern references are also missing.

DeKay, J. E. (alternatively spelled De Kay or Dekay) 1844. Zoology of New York, 
or the New York fauna. Part 2: birds. Carroll and Cook, Albany, NY.[

Eaton, E. H. 1953. Birds of New York 1910 to 1930. Kingbird 3:52-55.

Mearns, E. A. 1879. A list of the birds of the Hudson Highlands, with 
annotations. Bulletin of the Essex Institute 11:193-196.

Merriam, C. H. 1881. Preliminary list of birds ascertained to occur in the 
Adirondack region, northeastern New York. Bulletin of the Nuttall 
Ornithological Club 6:225-235.

Rathbun, F. R. 1879. A revised list of birds of central New York. Daily 
Advertiser and Weekly Journal Printing House, Auburn, NY.

Reed, H. D., and A. H. Wright. 1909. The vertebrates of the Cayuga Lake Basin, 
N.Y. Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society 48:370-459.

Best,

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan, Ph.D.
Instructor
Home Study Course in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
hst...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452

From: bounce-7856447-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-7856447-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Corey Finger
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:12 AM
To: New York
Subject: [nysbirds-l] NYS Birding Checklists

Thanks to everyone who shared info and knowledge about old checklists from 
around New York State.  There are lots!

First, having a reference librarian respond is helpful, as Donna Schulman let 
me know about a tool to find some lists (I will include her information about 
that below my signature).  Thanks to Andy Guthrie (who also pointed out that 
many of the older works are available for free online as google books), Joseph 
Dicostanzo (who provided a ton of info), Jerry Lazarczyk, Harry Maas, Bill 
Purcell, Brett Ewald, and Sally Svenson for responding with information about 
checklists from around New York State.  Below are all of the checklists about 
which I was informed.  Sorry about the different formats but I largely 
cut-and-pasted and edited directly from other folks' emails.  Please note that 
the geographical areas I divided the lists into are pretty rough...

WESTERN NEW YORK
Birds of Western New York by Ernest Short from 1893. He lived in Chili, NY (a 
suburb of Rochester), and the checklist was printed by A. M. Eddy in Albion, 
NY. It is a 13 page checklist.

A Popular Account of the Bird life of the Finger Lakes Section of New York, 
with Main Reference to the Summer Season by C. J. Spiker (1935, Roosevelt 
Wildlife Bulletin Volume 6, Number 3)

The Birds of Livingston County , New York by K. Fox (1998, Proceedings of the 
Rochester Academy of Science, vol. 18, no. 4)

Studies of breeding birds in the Allegany State Park by A. A. Saunders (1938, 
New York State Museum bulletin, no. 318)

Birds of the Niagara Frontier Region: An Annotated Checklist by C. S. Beardslee 
and H. D. Mitchell (1965, Buffalo Society of Natural Sciences)

CENTRAL NEW YORK
Annotated list of the birds of Oneida County, N.Y., and of the west Canada 
Creek Valley by Egbert Bagg, published in Utica, NY, by the Press of T.J. 
Griffiths, 1912

The Birds of Central New York Marshes by A. A. Saunders (1926, Roosevelt 
Wildlife Bulletin Volume 3, Number 3)

Ornithology of the Oneida Lake Region: with reference to the late spring and 
summer seasons by D. Stoner (1932, Roosevelt Wild Life Annuals, volume 2, nos. 
3 and 4, New York State College of Forestry at Syracuse University)

ADIRONDACKS / NORTHERN NY
Summer Birds of the Adirondacks in Franklin County, N.Y., from 1877, by 
Roosevelt and Minot.

Birdlife of the Adirondack Park by B. Beehler (1978, Adirondack Mountain Club)

The Summer Birds of the Northern Adirondack Mountains by A. A. Saunders (1929, 
Roosevelt Wildlife Bulletin Volume 5, Number 3)

Birds of Essex County, New York by G. Carleton (1999, High Peaks Audubon 
Society)

Birds of Clinton County, Second Edition by C. W. Mitchell and W. E. Krueger 
(1997, High Peaks Audubon Society)

There was a list put together by resident/members of the Trudeau Bird Club at 
the Trudeau tuberculosis sanitarium in Saranac Lake, reprinted from the October 
1904 issue of Outdoor Life.  It recorded local arrival dates of 163 birds. It 
is on file as a pamphlet in the Adirondack Room at the Saranac Lake Library: 
T867b pam.

MOUNTAIN REGIONS
Notes on Some Birds of the Adirondack and Catskill Mountains, New York by K. C. 
Parkes (1954, Annals of the Carnegie Museum )

CATSKILLS
A Review of the Summer Birds of a Part of the Catskill Mountains, with 
Prefatory Remarks on the Faunal and Floral

RE: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Sure, and the correct ID has been found because the specimen still existed to 
be examined.  Check out 
http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Wilson/v065n01/p0046-p0047.pdf for two such 
stories from the same flock of birds.

But, these two shrike species are so different when put side-by-side that I 
don't think there is a single specimen of any doubt in the Cornell collection.

Kevin J. McGowan, Ph.D.
Instructor
Home Study Course in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
hst...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452

From: Grover, Bob [mailto:rgro...@gpinet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:34 AM
To: Kevin J. McGowan; Hugh McGuinness; Shaibal Mitra
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

I know I risk excoriation here, but has a museum study skin never been 
misidentified?
Bob Grover

From: bounce-7483823-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-7483823-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin J. McGowan
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:33 AM
To: Hugh McGuinness; Shaibal Mitra
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

Funny, but I was going to ask about this shrike yesterday to see if anyone had 
taken a long hard look at it.  I saw another photo and I just can't make it 
into a Northern Shrike.

I have put some photos of a specimen from the Cornell Museum of Vertebrates 
that might be of interest at
http://picasaweb.google.com/KevinJ.McGowan/SpecimenExamples

It is a hatch year female taken in Mecox, Suffolk Co. on 26 November 1946.  It 
shows neat light barring across the chest, a gray unbarred back, and a pale 
patch at the base of the bill.  Several individuals in the collection looked 
similar.  The Jones Beach individual looks very similar to my eyes, except that 
it doesn't have the retained juvenal wing coverts, but that molt can be 
variable among individuals.

Shai's real Northern Shrike photo shows very substantial contrast in shape, 
bill shape, mask size, coloring, and markings.  I was not able to find a single 
specimen of Northern Shrike in the Cornell collection that even remotely looked 
odd or like the Jones Beach bird.  Not to say that the collection encompasses 
the entire variation, but they all looked pretty much alike.

Interesting bird.  Here's hoping it really is a young Loggerhead; the 
population could use it!

Keivn

Kevin J. McGowan, Ph.D.
Instructor
Home Study Course in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
hst...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452

From: bounce-7483490-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-7483490-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Hugh McGuinness
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:43 AM
To: Shaibal Mitra
Cc: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu)
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

Just to add some other images, here are some photos of Loggerhead Shrike photo 
showing vermiculations

http://www.beachhunter.net/blog/2008/04/wherefore-art-thou-loggerhead.html

http://sdakotabirds.com/species/loggerhead_shrike_info.htm


And here is Kevin McGowan's pretty excellent review of the two species using 
specimens.

http://www.birds.cornell.edu/crows/loggerhd.htm

Hugh
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Shaibal Mitra 
mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>> wrote:
I forgot to include links to photos.

Here are a few of my own, with a couple of Northern Shrike shots for comparison:

http://picasaweb.google.com/tixbirdz/LongIslandMiscellany2010#<http://picasaweb.google.com/tixbirdz/LongIslandMiscellany2010>

Here are some from John Gluth:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgluth_brb/sets/72157625379326695/with/5212944549/


From: 
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[bounce-7483412-3714...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-7483412-3714...@list.cornell.edu>]
 On Behalf Of Shaibal Mitra 
[shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu<mailto:shaibal.mi...@csi.cuny.edu>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:16 AM
To: NYSBIRDS (NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu<mailto:NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu>)
Subject: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

A shrike present at Jones Beach West End, Nassau County, LI has been identified 
by many as a Northern Shrike, but a considerable amount of back-channel 
discussion has questioned whether it might actually be a Loggerhead.

When I finally saw this bird well this past weekend I was already aware of the 
debates surrounding its identity, so I made an effort to evaluate  the various 
characters that have been proposed in support of each species. As might be 
suspected multiple features have been proposed to support each view, so the 
question is how to evaluate the relative reliability of each character.

To me, the bird appeared relatively small and quick (vs. the large and lanky 
impression usually imparted by Northern Shrike), with a r

RE: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Angus,

To me your bird looks like a Northern.  The mask is barely deeper than the eye 
and trails down toward the nape.  The color of the head is pale, not dark like 
most Loggerheads (very noticeable in the drawers).  And the bill appears longer 
and straighter.

Cheers,

Kevin

Kevin J. McGowan, Ph.D.
Instructor
Home Study Course in Bird Biology
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
159 Sapsucker Woods Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
hst...@cornell.edu
607-254-2452

From: Angus Wilson [mailto:oceanwander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:37 AM
To: NYSBIRDS-L
Cc: Shaibal Mitra; Burke, Tom; Hugh McGuinness; Christopher Wood; Andy Guthrie; 
Kevin J. McGowan
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Identity of Jones Beach Shrike

It seems appropriate to throw one more bird into the discussion mix; a shrike 
that I found on 31 Oct 2010 in the Theodore Roosevelt County Park in Montauk 
(Suffolk Co.), a few hundred yards from a Brewer's Blackbird. If I recall 
correctly, this was shortly after the discovery of the Jones Beach shrike, and 
perhaps the only other shrike seen on Long Island during the fall/winter season 
(so far). Unfortunately the Montauk bird did not linger beyond the one day. It 
also gave the impression of being small and was harassed relentlessly by a pair 
of Northern Mockingbirds, making photography difficult. I still have to sit 
down and look carefully at it relative to the Northern/Loggerhead discussion, 
but thought other independent opinions would be helpful. Here is a link to the 
best photos I obtained.

http://picasaweb.google.com/oceanwanderers/SouthForkLongIslandNY?authkey=Gv1sRgCOa3ua3EuLjJ3wE#<http://picasaweb.google.com/oceanwanderers/SouthForkLongIslandNY?authkey=Gv1sRgCOa3ua3EuLjJ3wE>

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New York City & The Springs, NY, USA
http://birdingtotheend.blogspot.com/

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