Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Dawn Hannay]

Thanks for this, Jim. My only quibble with what you’ve said is that the change 
was in requiring a permit year-round. Previously, birders could use the lots 
from mid-November through mid-March without needing a permit. No birds are 
nesting then, and one assumes that the nude beach is fairly empty. 略 I’ve 
rarely seen surfers or anglers out there in winter, and the lot has never been 
full. I understand the need to restrict the crowds during beach season, but the 
decision to exclude birders in February seems arbitrary, especially on 
non-holiday weekdays.
Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 10:21 PM, James Minor  wrote:
> 
> Apologies, I had tried to respond when this first came out but wound up only 
> replying to just Anne.
> 
> Some things to add - Beach 223 st. lot/aka Fisherman's lot, Yacht club, Riis 
> landing and the lot adjacent are permit only, all day. Only other restriction 
> in the rest of Jamaica Bay Gateway is the lot under the bridge on the Floyd 
> Bennett side.  And this is for Dawn to Dusk, otherwise need the permit.  Not 
> sure how bad enforcement is this time of year, but when I did a trash 
> collection run before the snow came at the yacht club and I did get checked 
> out.  Didn't speak to the individual but believe he was there account of a 
> resident calling it in.  They will sell permits sometime in the early Spring, 
> check the website or Facebook page.  Don't wait to get it, as they will shut 
> down when a certain amount are sold.   The last two years have been insane 
> for parking and I've lost track the amount of times I had to walk through 
> Breezy Point village to get to the dirt road.   The requirement for fishing 
> tackle, etc. is for the off-road permit, and that is to ensure have the 
> things needed to get on and off the beach, shovel, jack, toilet, etc.  There 
> has been intense pressure over the years to restrict access to some of these 
> areas by area residents and the compromise to allow anglers only, so it's not 
> just pressure from this fishing groups.
> 
> The issue that caused the change was on account of a huge surge of beach 
> goers that started during the pandemic.  I don't know what caused them to 
> seek out this area but from what I was told it was written up somewhere in 
> the magazines/internet and all of the available lots will fill up immediately 
> all over Ft. Tilden and Breezy as soon as it's warm up.  Another draw is a 
> unauthorized nude beach at Tilden.  A lot of birders used to have no problem 
> parking close  to the bird watching platform over Battery Harris in Ft. 
> Tilden, but since the pandemic the parking has been nuts all over Tilden, and 
> I find I usually have to park near the artist colony or rugby fields and cut 
> across the Nike Base area to get to the platform or the beach.  I have to 
> disagree about Beach 223 lot being empty, even after the close of Striped 
> Bass season (Dec 15), the lot is frequently full.  And a lot of it is folks 
> looking for Hedwig's relatives when reports are posted online this time of 
> year.   While I'm not there every day, I do rotate around the various spots 
> in J-Bay Gateway and can speak recently of how crowded B223 gets.
> 
> Except for one group way out east, I don't know of any fisherman group 
> looking to block others from accessing the beach, rather they just want the 
> rules enforced so there's a chance that there's parking when the beach season 
> starts.  This is NOT to block birders, stargazers, etc. but rather folks 
> looking to skirt getting on the beach at Riis, etc.  The biggest fishing 
> group at the moment is LIBBA (LI Beach Buggy Assoc) and they have worked with 
> stargazers, surfers, metal detectors and others who enjoy the beach to 
> protect access for everyone.  They only thing they're trying to stop is the 
> speeding, camping and partying that is an issue out east.  There is a few 
> small groups in the area that do work with Gateway as volunteers and have 
> some voice, but it's more about preserving access, and also cleaning up after 
> the season. While I don't speak for any of the groups, I would say work with 
> them and reach out to them, we share the same love of the area. When I meet 
> folks getting the permit or out on the beach, I ask what brings them to the 
> beach, and the vast majority are young adults just looking for the beach.  To 
> me, some are future birders or folks who will love one of the last open areas 
> in NYC.  Don't hesitate to get the permit, and then come during the beach 
> season, and you'll see how many "fishermen" are actually there.  And I'm not 
> a member of LIBBA or any of the fishing groups, I do belong to the South 
> Shore Audubon society (Nassau County).
> 
> It's a long walk from B223 to the jetty, and frequently the area from the lot 
> to the end of the dune line floods (just like the West End of Jones Beach) so 
> be ready for that.  Hope to see you on the beach!
> 
> Best regards - Jim 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Dawn Hannay]

Thanks for this, Jim. My only quibble with what you’ve said is that the change 
was in requiring a permit year-round. Previously, birders could use the lots 
from mid-November through mid-March without needing a permit. No birds are 
nesting then, and one assumes that the nude beach is fairly empty. 略 I’ve 
rarely seen surfers or anglers out there in winter, and the lot has never been 
full. I understand the need to restrict the crowds during beach season, but the 
decision to exclude birders in February seems arbitrary, especially on 
non-holiday weekdays.
Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 10:21 PM, James Minor  wrote:
> 
> Apologies, I had tried to respond when this first came out but wound up only 
> replying to just Anne.
> 
> Some things to add - Beach 223 st. lot/aka Fisherman's lot, Yacht club, Riis 
> landing and the lot adjacent are permit only, all day. Only other restriction 
> in the rest of Jamaica Bay Gateway is the lot under the bridge on the Floyd 
> Bennett side.  And this is for Dawn to Dusk, otherwise need the permit.  Not 
> sure how bad enforcement is this time of year, but when I did a trash 
> collection run before the snow came at the yacht club and I did get checked 
> out.  Didn't speak to the individual but believe he was there account of a 
> resident calling it in.  They will sell permits sometime in the early Spring, 
> check the website or Facebook page.  Don't wait to get it, as they will shut 
> down when a certain amount are sold.   The last two years have been insane 
> for parking and I've lost track the amount of times I had to walk through 
> Breezy Point village to get to the dirt road.   The requirement for fishing 
> tackle, etc. is for the off-road permit, and that is to ensure have the 
> things needed to get on and off the beach, shovel, jack, toilet, etc.  There 
> has been intense pressure over the years to restrict access to some of these 
> areas by area residents and the compromise to allow anglers only, so it's not 
> just pressure from this fishing groups.
> 
> The issue that caused the change was on account of a huge surge of beach 
> goers that started during the pandemic.  I don't know what caused them to 
> seek out this area but from what I was told it was written up somewhere in 
> the magazines/internet and all of the available lots will fill up immediately 
> all over Ft. Tilden and Breezy as soon as it's warm up.  Another draw is a 
> unauthorized nude beach at Tilden.  A lot of birders used to have no problem 
> parking close  to the bird watching platform over Battery Harris in Ft. 
> Tilden, but since the pandemic the parking has been nuts all over Tilden, and 
> I find I usually have to park near the artist colony or rugby fields and cut 
> across the Nike Base area to get to the platform or the beach.  I have to 
> disagree about Beach 223 lot being empty, even after the close of Striped 
> Bass season (Dec 15), the lot is frequently full.  And a lot of it is folks 
> looking for Hedwig's relatives when reports are posted online this time of 
> year.   While I'm not there every day, I do rotate around the various spots 
> in J-Bay Gateway and can speak recently of how crowded B223 gets.
> 
> Except for one group way out east, I don't know of any fisherman group 
> looking to block others from accessing the beach, rather they just want the 
> rules enforced so there's a chance that there's parking when the beach season 
> starts.  This is NOT to block birders, stargazers, etc. but rather folks 
> looking to skirt getting on the beach at Riis, etc.  The biggest fishing 
> group at the moment is LIBBA (LI Beach Buggy Assoc) and they have worked with 
> stargazers, surfers, metal detectors and others who enjoy the beach to 
> protect access for everyone.  They only thing they're trying to stop is the 
> speeding, camping and partying that is an issue out east.  There is a few 
> small groups in the area that do work with Gateway as volunteers and have 
> some voice, but it's more about preserving access, and also cleaning up after 
> the season. While I don't speak for any of the groups, I would say work with 
> them and reach out to them, we share the same love of the area. When I meet 
> folks getting the permit or out on the beach, I ask what brings them to the 
> beach, and the vast majority are young adults just looking for the beach.  To 
> me, some are future birders or folks who will love one of the last open areas 
> in NYC.  Don't hesitate to get the permit, and then come during the beach 
> season, and you'll see how many "fishermen" are actually there.  And I'm not 
> a member of LIBBA or any of the fishing groups, I do belong to the South 
> Shore Audubon society (Nassau County).
> 
> It's a long walk from B223 to the jetty, and frequently the area from the lot 
> to the end of the dune line floods (just like the West End of Jones Beach) so 
> be ready for that.  Hope to see you on the beach!
> 
> Best regards - Jim 

[nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[James Minor]

Apologies, I had tried to respond when this first came out but wound up 
only replying to just Anne.


Some things to add - Beach 223 st. lot/aka Fisherman's lot, Yacht club, 
Riis landing and the lot adjacent are permit only, all day. Only other 
restriction in the rest of Jamaica Bay Gateway is the lot under the 
bridge on the Floyd Bennett side.  And this is for Dawn to Dusk, 
otherwise need the permit.  Not sure how bad enforcement is this time of 
year, but when I did a trash collection run before the snow came at the 
yacht club and I did get checked out.  Didn't speak to the individual 
but believe he was there account of a resident calling it in.  They will 
sell permits sometime in the early Spring, check the website or Facebook 
page.  Don't wait to get it, as they will shut down when a certain 
amount are sold.   The last two years have been insane for parking and 
I've lost track the amount of times I had to walk through Breezy Point 
village to get to the dirt road.   The requirement for fishing tackle, 
etc. is for the off-road permit, and that is to ensure have the things 
needed to get on and off the beach, shovel, jack, toilet, etc.  There 
has been intense pressure over the years to restrict access to some of 
these areas by area residents and the compromise to allow anglers only, 
so it's not just pressure from this fishing groups.


The issue that caused the change was on account of a huge surge of beach 
goers that started during the pandemic.  I don't know what caused them 
to seek out this area but from what I was told it was written up 
somewhere in the magazines/internet and all of the available lots will 
fill up immediately all over Ft. Tilden and Breezy as soon as it's warm 
up.  Another draw is a unauthorized nude beach at Tilden.  A lot of 
birders used to have no problem parking close  to the bird watching 
platform over Battery Harris in Ft. Tilden, but since the pandemic the 
parking has been nuts all over Tilden, and I find I usually have to park 
near the artist colony or rugby fields and cut across the Nike Base area 
to get to the platform or the beach.  I have to disagree about Beach 223 
lot being empty, even after the close of Striped Bass season (Dec 15), 
the lot is frequently full.  And a lot of it is folks looking for 
Hedwig's relatives when reports are posted online this time of year.   
While I'm not there every day, I do rotate around the various spots in 
J-Bay Gateway and can speak recently of how crowded B223 gets.


Except for one group way out east, I don't know of any fisherman group 
looking to block others from accessing the beach, rather they just want 
the rules enforced so there's a chance that there's parking when the 
beach season starts.  This is NOT to block birders, stargazers, etc. but 
rather folks looking to skirt getting on the beach at Riis, etc.  The 
biggest fishing group at the moment is LIBBA (LI Beach Buggy Assoc) and 
they have worked with stargazers, surfers, metal detectors and others 
who enjoy the beach to protect access for everyone.  They only thing 
they're trying to stop is the speeding, camping and partying that is an 
issue out east.  There is a few small groups in the area that do work 
with Gateway as volunteers and have some voice, but it's more about 
preserving access, and also cleaning up after the season. While I don't 
speak for any of the groups, I would say work with them and reach out to 
them, we share the same love of the area. When I meet folks getting the 
permit or out on the beach, I ask what brings them to the beach, and the 
vast majority are young adults just looking for the beach.  To me, some 
are future birders or folks who will love one of the last open areas in 
NYC.  Don't hesitate to get the permit, and then come during the beach 
season, and you'll see how many "fishermen" are actually there.  And I'm 
not a member of LIBBA or any of the fishing groups, I do belong to the 
South Shore Audubon society (Nassau County).


It's a long walk from B223 to the jetty, and frequently the area from 
the lot to the end of the dune line floods (just like the West End of 
Jones Beach) so be ready for that.  Hope to see you on the beach!


Best regards - Jim Minor


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[nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[James Minor]

Apologies, I had tried to respond when this first came out but wound up 
only replying to just Anne.


Some things to add - Beach 223 st. lot/aka Fisherman's lot, Yacht club, 
Riis landing and the lot adjacent are permit only, all day. Only other 
restriction in the rest of Jamaica Bay Gateway is the lot under the 
bridge on the Floyd Bennett side.  And this is for Dawn to Dusk, 
otherwise need the permit.  Not sure how bad enforcement is this time of 
year, but when I did a trash collection run before the snow came at the 
yacht club and I did get checked out.  Didn't speak to the individual 
but believe he was there account of a resident calling it in.  They will 
sell permits sometime in the early Spring, check the website or Facebook 
page.  Don't wait to get it, as they will shut down when a certain 
amount are sold.   The last two years have been insane for parking and 
I've lost track the amount of times I had to walk through Breezy Point 
village to get to the dirt road.   The requirement for fishing tackle, 
etc. is for the off-road permit, and that is to ensure have the things 
needed to get on and off the beach, shovel, jack, toilet, etc.  There 
has been intense pressure over the years to restrict access to some of 
these areas by area residents and the compromise to allow anglers only, 
so it's not just pressure from this fishing groups.


The issue that caused the change was on account of a huge surge of beach 
goers that started during the pandemic.  I don't know what caused them 
to seek out this area but from what I was told it was written up 
somewhere in the magazines/internet and all of the available lots will 
fill up immediately all over Ft. Tilden and Breezy as soon as it's warm 
up.  Another draw is a unauthorized nude beach at Tilden.  A lot of 
birders used to have no problem parking close  to the bird watching 
platform over Battery Harris in Ft. Tilden, but since the pandemic the 
parking has been nuts all over Tilden, and I find I usually have to park 
near the artist colony or rugby fields and cut across the Nike Base area 
to get to the platform or the beach.  I have to disagree about Beach 223 
lot being empty, even after the close of Striped Bass season (Dec 15), 
the lot is frequently full.  And a lot of it is folks looking for 
Hedwig's relatives when reports are posted online this time of year.   
While I'm not there every day, I do rotate around the various spots in 
J-Bay Gateway and can speak recently of how crowded B223 gets.


Except for one group way out east, I don't know of any fisherman group 
looking to block others from accessing the beach, rather they just want 
the rules enforced so there's a chance that there's parking when the 
beach season starts.  This is NOT to block birders, stargazers, etc. but 
rather folks looking to skirt getting on the beach at Riis, etc.  The 
biggest fishing group at the moment is LIBBA (LI Beach Buggy Assoc) and 
they have worked with stargazers, surfers, metal detectors and others 
who enjoy the beach to protect access for everyone.  They only thing 
they're trying to stop is the speeding, camping and partying that is an 
issue out east.  There is a few small groups in the area that do work 
with Gateway as volunteers and have some voice, but it's more about 
preserving access, and also cleaning up after the season. While I don't 
speak for any of the groups, I would say work with them and reach out to 
them, we share the same love of the area. When I meet folks getting the 
permit or out on the beach, I ask what brings them to the beach, and the 
vast majority are young adults just looking for the beach.  To me, some 
are future birders or folks who will love one of the last open areas in 
NYC.  Don't hesitate to get the permit, and then come during the beach 
season, and you'll see how many "fishermen" are actually there.  And I'm 
not a member of LIBBA or any of the fishing groups, I do belong to the 
South Shore Audubon society (Nassau County).


It's a long walk from B223 to the jetty, and frequently the area from 
the lot to the end of the dune line floods (just like the West End of 
Jones Beach) so be ready for that.  Hope to see you on the beach!


Best regards - Jim Minor


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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Dawn Hannay]

Jack, it’s a special fishing access permit issued by Gateway National 
Recreation Area that’s required. 
Dawn



Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:22 PM, Jack Rothman  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what kind of fishing permit is needed for the area you are 
> discussing. I purchased a NYS Resident Fishing Permit for $5, senior rate. It 
> is good for a year. I purchased it online last May and printed it out at 
> home. It came with a parking permit. 
> The process was quite simple. It was purchased from NYSDEC. I also purchased 
> a NYC Water Supply Lands Access Permit from NYCDEP.
> 
> Jack Rothman
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>> 
>> We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the 
>> permit parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I 
>> have been told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our 
>> supportive organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I 
>> live in Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street 
>> with all the traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new 
>> permit process. I am glad the issue is being brought to a head.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:
>>> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?
>>> 
>>> Ardith
>>> NYC
>>> www.ardithbondi.com
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
 I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
 willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they 
 will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts 
 February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are 
 existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with 
 a valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. 
 Dawn
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  
>> wrote:
>> 
> 
> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have 
> general public using limited parking
> 
> Jennifer
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg 
>>  wrote:
>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be 
>> accessible to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I 
>> bike there sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I 
>> know some birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write 
>> to Gateway management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's 
>> absurd that people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than 
>> people who watch (birds).
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
>>> 
>>> L. Trachtenberg 
>>> Ossining NY 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  
> wrote:
> 
 
 Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and 
 you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting 
 this unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed 
 this season. It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, 
 part of Fort Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know 
 about it from the organizations representing us. I know. It is not 
 right. It is also about money. The fishermen they say are complaining 
 they have no parking space. From my experience that is not true. There 
 are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot.
 
 Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if 
 another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the 
 second driver gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The 
 rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick up the original 
 driver., complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take 
 turns.
 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  
> wrote:
> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the 
>> permit you can be towed. 
>> Bob O’Neill 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  
>>> wrote:
>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>> 
>>> Sent 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Dawn Hannay]

Jack, it’s a special fishing access permit issued by Gateway National 
Recreation Area that’s required. 
Dawn



Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:22 PM, Jack Rothman  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what kind of fishing permit is needed for the area you are 
> discussing. I purchased a NYS Resident Fishing Permit for $5, senior rate. It 
> is good for a year. I purchased it online last May and printed it out at 
> home. It came with a parking permit. 
> The process was quite simple. It was purchased from NYSDEC. I also purchased 
> a NYC Water Supply Lands Access Permit from NYCDEP.
> 
> Jack Rothman
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>> 
>> We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the 
>> permit parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I 
>> have been told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our 
>> supportive organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I 
>> live in Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street 
>> with all the traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new 
>> permit process. I am glad the issue is being brought to a head.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:
>>> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?
>>> 
>>> Ardith
>>> NYC
>>> www.ardithbondi.com
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
 I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
 willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they 
 will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts 
 February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are 
 existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with 
 a valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. 
 Dawn
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  
>> wrote:
>> 
> 
> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have 
> general public using limited parking
> 
> Jennifer
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg 
>>  wrote:
>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be 
>> accessible to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I 
>> bike there sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I 
>> know some birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write 
>> to Gateway management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's 
>> absurd that people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than 
>> people who watch (birds).
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
>>> 
>>> L. Trachtenberg 
>>> Ossining NY 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  
> wrote:
> 
 
 Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and 
 you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting 
 this unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed 
 this season. It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, 
 part of Fort Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know 
 about it from the organizations representing us. I know. It is not 
 right. It is also about money. The fishermen they say are complaining 
 they have no parking space. From my experience that is not true. There 
 are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot.
 
 Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if 
 another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the 
 second driver gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The 
 rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick up the original 
 driver., complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take 
 turns.
 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  
> wrote:
> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the 
>> permit you can be towed. 
>> Bob O’Neill 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  
>>> wrote:
>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>> 
>>> Sent 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 That is for state parks. Breezy is a federal park.
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 09:22:53 PM EST, Jack Rothman 
 wrote:  
 
 I don’t know what kind of fishing permit is needed for the area you are 
discussing. I purchased a NYS Resident Fishing Permit for $5, senior rate. It 
is good for a year. I purchased it online last May and printed it out at home. 
It came with a parking permit. The process was quite simple. It was purchased 
from NYSDEC. I also purchased a NYC Water Supply Lands Access Permit from 
NYCDEP.
Jack Rothman



On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I am 
glad the issue is being brought to a head.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:

But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?

ArdithNYCwww.ardithbondi.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:



I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they will 
start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts February 1. 
The only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 2021 permit 
holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid permit, which is 
not available for purchase at this time. Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:



I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders permit, 
perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general public 
using limited parking
Jennifer
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
wrote:

This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 That is for state parks. Breezy is a federal park.
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 09:22:53 PM EST, Jack Rothman 
 wrote:  
 
 I don’t know what kind of fishing permit is needed for the area you are 
discussing. I purchased a NYS Resident Fishing Permit for $5, senior rate. It 
is good for a year. I purchased it online last May and printed it out at home. 
It came with a parking permit. The process was quite simple. It was purchased 
from NYSDEC. I also purchased a NYC Water Supply Lands Access Permit from 
NYCDEP.
Jack Rothman



On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I am 
glad the issue is being brought to a head.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:

But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?

ArdithNYCwww.ardithbondi.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:



I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they will 
start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts February 1. 
The only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 2021 permit 
holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid permit, which is 
not available for purchase at this time. Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:



I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders permit, 
perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general public 
using limited parking
Jennifer
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
wrote:

This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 From what I've been told, in order to buy the fishing parking permit you 
actually have to show up at the Ryan Visitor Center at Floyd Bennett Field 
carrying a fishing rod. I don't know if that really is required, but people I 
know who have the permit say they did that.I wonder how it'd go over if we 
showed up carrying a bucket of fish?
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 08:46:42 PM EST, Anne Lazarus 
 wrote:  
 
 We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I am 
glad the issue is being brought to a head.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:

But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?

ArdithNYCwww.ardithbondi.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:



I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they will 
start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts February 1. 
The only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 2021 permit 
holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid permit, which is 
not available for purchase at this time. Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:



I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders permit, 
perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general public 
using limited parking
Jennifer
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
wrote:

This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> 
> --
> 

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 From what I've been told, in order to buy the fishing parking permit you 
actually have to show up at the Ryan Visitor Center at Floyd Bennett Field 
carrying a fishing rod. I don't know if that really is required, but people I 
know who have the permit say they did that.I wonder how it'd go over if we 
showed up carrying a bucket of fish?
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 08:46:42 PM EST, Anne Lazarus 
 wrote:  
 
 We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I am 
glad the issue is being brought to a head.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:

But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?

ArdithNYCwww.ardithbondi.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:



I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they will 
start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts February 1. 
The only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 2021 permit 
holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid permit, which is 
not available for purchase at this time. Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:



I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders permit, 
perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general public 
using limited parking
Jennifer
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
wrote:

This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> 
> --
> 

--

NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Jack Rothman]

I don’t know what kind of fishing permit is needed for the area you are 
discussing. I purchased a NYS Resident Fishing Permit for $5, senior rate. It 
is good for a year. I purchased it online last May and printed it out at home. 
It came with a parking permit. 
The process was quite simple. It was purchased from NYSDEC. I also purchased a 
NYC Water Supply Lands Access Permit from NYCDEP.

Jack Rothman


> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
> 
> We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
> parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
> told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
> organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
> Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
> traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I 
> am glad the issue is being brought to a head.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  > wrote:
> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?
> 
> Ardith
> NYC
> www.ardithbondi.com 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay > > wrote:
>> 
>> I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
>> willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they 
>> will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts 
>> February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are 
>> existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a 
>> valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. 
>> Dawn
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
>>> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have 
>>> general public using limited parking
>>> 
>>> Jennifer
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg >> > wrote:
>>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible 
>>> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there 
>>> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some 
>>> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway 
>>> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that 
>>> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch 
>>> (birds).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar >> > wrote:
>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
>>> 
>>> L. Trachtenberg 
>>> Ossining NY 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
 need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this 
 unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. 
 It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort 
 Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the 
 organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about 
 money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space. 
 From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots. 
 I was planning to go, but we cannot.
 
 Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
 driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver 
 gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to 
 the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, 
 but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
 
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro >>> > wrote:
 Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit 
> you can be towed. 
> Bob O’Neill 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  > wrote:
> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy 
> > Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Jack Rothman]

I don’t know what kind of fishing permit is needed for the area you are 
discussing. I purchased a NYS Resident Fishing Permit for $5, senior rate. It 
is good for a year. I purchased it online last May and printed it out at home. 
It came with a parking permit. 
The process was quite simple. It was purchased from NYSDEC. I also purchased a 
NYC Water Supply Lands Access Permit from NYCDEP.

Jack Rothman


> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
> 
> We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
> parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
> told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
> organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
> Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
> traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I 
> am glad the issue is being brought to a head.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  > wrote:
> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?
> 
> Ardith
> NYC
> www.ardithbondi.com 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay > > wrote:
>> 
>> I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
>> willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they 
>> will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts 
>> February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are 
>> existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a 
>> valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. 
>> Dawn
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
>>> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have 
>>> general public using limited parking
>>> 
>>> Jennifer
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg >> > wrote:
>>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible 
>>> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there 
>>> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some 
>>> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway 
>>> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that 
>>> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch 
>>> (birds).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar >> > wrote:
>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
>>> 
>>> L. Trachtenberg 
>>> Ossining NY 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus >>> > wrote:
 
 
 Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
 need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this 
 unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. 
 It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort 
 Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the 
 organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about 
 money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space. 
 From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots. 
 I was planning to go, but we cannot.
 
 Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
 driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver 
 gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to 
 the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, 
 but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
 
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro >>> > wrote:
 Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit 
> you can be towed. 
> Bob O’Neill 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  > wrote:
> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy 
> > Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Anne Lazarus]

I agree.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree that we should support the organizations to get things changed. The 
> fact remains that this is a National Recreation Area run by the National Park 
> Service and it’s supposed to be accessible to the public, not just to one 
> interest group. 
> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the 
>> permit parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I 
>> have been told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our 
>> supportive organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I 
>> live in Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street 
>> with all the traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new 
>> permit process. I am glad the issue is being brought to a head.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:
>>> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?
>>> 
>>> Ardith
>>> NYC
>>> www.ardithbondi.com
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
 I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
 willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they 
 will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts 
 February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are 
 existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with 
 a valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. 
 Dawn
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  
>> wrote:
>> 
> 
> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have 
> general public using limited parking
> 
> Jennifer
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg 
>>  wrote:
>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be 
>> accessible to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I 
>> bike there sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I 
>> know some birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write 
>> to Gateway management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's 
>> absurd that people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than 
>> people who watch (birds).
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
>>> 
>>> L. Trachtenberg 
>>> Ossining NY 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  
> wrote:
> 
 
 Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and 
 you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting 
 this unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed 
 this season. It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, 
 part of Fort Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know 
 about it from the organizations representing us. I know. It is not 
 right. It is also about money. The fishermen they say are complaining 
 they have no parking space. From my experience that is not true. There 
 are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot.
 
 Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if 
 another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the 
 second driver gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The 
 rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick up the original 
 driver., complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take 
 turns.
 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  
> wrote:
> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the 
>> permit you can be towed. 
>> Bob O’Neill 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  
>>> wrote:
>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at 
>>> > Breezy Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Anne Lazarus]

I agree.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
> 
> 
> I agree that we should support the organizations to get things changed. The 
> fact remains that this is a National Recreation Area run by the National Park 
> Service and it’s supposed to be accessible to the public, not just to one 
> interest group. 
> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the 
>> permit parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I 
>> have been told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our 
>> supportive organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I 
>> live in Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street 
>> with all the traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new 
>> permit process. I am glad the issue is being brought to a head.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:
>>> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?
>>> 
>>> Ardith
>>> NYC
>>> www.ardithbondi.com
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
 I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
 willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they 
 will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts 
 February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are 
 existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with 
 a valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. 
 Dawn
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  
>> wrote:
>> 
> 
> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have 
> general public using limited parking
> 
> Jennifer
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg 
>>  wrote:
>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be 
>> accessible to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I 
>> bike there sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I 
>> know some birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write 
>> to Gateway management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's 
>> absurd that people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than 
>> people who watch (birds).
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
>>> 
>>> L. Trachtenberg 
>>> Ossining NY 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  
> wrote:
> 
 
 Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and 
 you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting 
 this unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed 
 this season. It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, 
 part of Fort Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know 
 about it from the organizations representing us. I know. It is not 
 right. It is also about money. The fishermen they say are complaining 
 they have no parking space. From my experience that is not true. There 
 are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot.
 
 Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if 
 another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the 
 second driver gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The 
 rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick up the original 
 driver., complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take 
 turns.
 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  
> wrote:
> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the 
>> permit you can be towed. 
>> Bob O’Neill 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  
>>> wrote:
>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at 
>>> > Breezy Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Deborah Shapiro]

I agree that we should support the organizations to get things changed. The 
fact remains that this is a National Recreation Area run by the National Park 
Service and it’s supposed to be accessible to the public, not just to one 
interest group. 

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
> 
> 
> We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
> parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
> told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
> organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
> Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
> traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I 
> am glad the issue is being brought to a head.
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:
>> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?
>> 
>> Ardith
>> NYC
>> www.ardithbondi.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
 
>>> I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
>>> willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they 
>>> will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts 
>>> February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are 
>>> existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a 
>>> valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. 
>>> Dawn
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  
> wrote:
> 
 
 I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
 permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have 
 general public using limited parking
 
 Jennifer
 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg 
>  wrote:
> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible 
> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there 
> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some 
> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway 
> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that 
> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch 
> (birds).
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
>> 
>> L. Trachtenberg 
>> Ossining NY 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and 
>>> you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting 
>>> this unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this 
>>> season. It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part 
>>> of Fort Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about 
>>> it from the organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It 
>>> is also about money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have 
>>> no parking space. From my experience that is not true. There are always 
>>> lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>>> 
>>> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if 
>>> another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the 
>>> second driver gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The 
>>> rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick up the original 
>>> driver., complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
>>> 
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  
 wrote:
 Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  
>> wrote:
>> 
> 
> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the 
> permit you can be towed. 
> Bob O’Neill 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  
>> wrote:
>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at 
>> > Breezy Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was 
>> > legal in winter, but I seem to remember some change in that 
>> > policy. 
>> > Thank you,
>> > Dawn Hannay
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > --
>> > 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Deborah Shapiro]

I agree that we should support the organizations to get things changed. The 
fact remains that this is a National Recreation Area run by the National Park 
Service and it’s supposed to be accessible to the public, not just to one 
interest group. 

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
> 
> 
> We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the permit 
> parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I have been 
> told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our supportive 
> organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I live in 
> Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street with all the 
> traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new permit process. I 
> am glad the issue is being brought to a head.
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:
>> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?
>> 
>> Ardith
>> NYC
>> www.ardithbondi.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
 
>>> I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
>>> willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they 
>>> will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts 
>>> February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are 
>>> existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a 
>>> valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. 
>>> Dawn
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  
> wrote:
> 
 
 I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
 permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have 
 general public using limited parking
 
 Jennifer
 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg 
>  wrote:
> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible 
> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there 
> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some 
> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway 
> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that 
> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch 
> (birds).
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
>> 
>> L. Trachtenberg 
>> Ossining NY 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and 
>>> you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting 
>>> this unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this 
>>> season. It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part 
>>> of Fort Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about 
>>> it from the organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It 
>>> is also about money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have 
>>> no parking space. From my experience that is not true. There are always 
>>> lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>>> 
>>> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if 
>>> another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the 
>>> second driver gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The 
>>> rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick up the original 
>>> driver., complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
>>> 
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  
 wrote:
 Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  
>> wrote:
>> 
> 
> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the 
> permit you can be towed. 
> Bob O’Neill 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  
>> wrote:
>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at 
>> > Breezy Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was 
>> > legal in winter, but I seem to remember some change in that 
>> > policy. 
>> > Thank you,
>> > Dawn Hannay
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > --
>> > 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Anne Lazarus]

We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the
permit parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I
have been told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our
supportive organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I
live in Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street
with all the traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new
permit process. I am glad the issue is being brought to a head.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:

> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?
>
> Ardith
> NYC
> www.ardithbondi.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>
> I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m
> willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they
> will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts
> February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are
> existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a
> valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time.
> Dawn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders
> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have
> general public using limited parking
>
> Jennifer
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg 
> wrote:
>
>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible
>> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there
>> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some
>> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway
>> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that
>> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch
>> (birds).
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>>
>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my
>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).
>>>
>>> L. Trachtenberg
>>> Ossining NY
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and
>>> you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this
>>> unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season.
>>> It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort
>>> Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the
>>> organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about
>>> money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space.
>>> From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots.
>>> I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>>>
>>> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if
>>> another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second
>>> driver gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go
>>> back to the main area, and then later pick up the original driver.,
>>> complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

 On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill 
 wrote:

 
 Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the
 permit you can be towed.
 Bob O’Neill
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus 
 wrote:

> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
> > Thank you,
> > Dawn Hannay
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > --
> >
> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> >
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> >
> > ARCHIVES:
> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> >
> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> >
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> >
>
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>
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> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Anne Lazarus]

We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the
permit parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit,  so I
have been told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our
supportive organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I
live in Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street
with all the traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new
permit process. I am glad the issue is being brought to a head.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi  wrote:

> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?
>
> Ardith
> NYC
> www.ardithbondi.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>
> I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m
> willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they
> will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts
> February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are
> existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a
> valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time.
> Dawn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders
> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have
> general public using limited parking
>
> Jennifer
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg 
> wrote:
>
>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible
>> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there
>> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some
>> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway
>> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that
>> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch
>> (birds).
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>>
>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my
>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).
>>>
>>> L. Trachtenberg
>>> Ossining NY
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and
>>> you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this
>>> unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season.
>>> It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort
>>> Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the
>>> organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about
>>> money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space.
>>> From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots.
>>> I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>>>
>>> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if
>>> another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second
>>> driver gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go
>>> back to the main area, and then later pick up the original driver.,
>>> complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

 On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill 
 wrote:

 
 Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the
 permit you can be towed.
 Bob O’Neill
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus 
 wrote:

> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
> > Thank you,
> > Dawn Hannay
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > --
> >
> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> >
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> >
> > ARCHIVES:
> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> >
> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> >
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>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Ardith Bondi]

But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?

Ardith
NYC
www.ardithbondi.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
> willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they 
> will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts 
> February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 
> 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid 
> permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. 
> Dawn
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
>> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general 
>> public using limited parking
>> 
>> Jennifer
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible 
>>> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there 
>>> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some 
>>> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway 
>>> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that 
>>> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch 
>>> (birds).
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
 Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
 guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
 
 L. Trachtenberg 
 Ossining NY 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and 
> you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this 
> unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this 
> season. It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of 
> Fort Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it 
> from the organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is 
> also about money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no 
> parking space. From my experience that is not true. There are always lots 
> of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot.
> 
> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
> driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver 
> gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back 
> to the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., 
> complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the 
>>> permit you can be towed. 
>>> Bob O’Neill 
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  
 wrote:
 I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
 > 
 > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy 
 > Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in 
 > winter, but I seem to remember some change in that policy. 
 > Thank you,
 > Dawn Hannay
 > 
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > --
 > 
 > NYSbirds-L List Info:
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
 > 
 > ARCHIVES:
 > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
 > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
 > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
 > 
 > Please submit your observations to eBird:
 > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
 > 
 > --
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Ardith Bondi]

But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders?

Ardith
NYC
www.ardithbondi.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m 
> willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they 
> will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts 
> February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 
> 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid 
> permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. 
> Dawn
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
>> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general 
>> public using limited parking
>> 
>> Jennifer
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
>>> wrote:
>>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible 
>>> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there 
>>> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some 
>>> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway 
>>> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that 
>>> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch 
>>> (birds).
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
 Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
 guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
 
 L. Trachtenberg 
 Ossining NY 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and 
> you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this 
> unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this 
> season. It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of 
> Fort Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it 
> from the organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is 
> also about money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no 
> parking space. From my experience that is not true. There are always lots 
> of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot.
> 
> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
> driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver 
> gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back 
> to the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., 
> complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the 
>>> permit you can be towed. 
>>> Bob O’Neill 
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  
 wrote:
 I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
 > 
 > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy 
 > Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in 
 > winter, but I seem to remember some change in that policy. 
 > Thank you,
 > Dawn Hannay
 > 
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > --
 > 
 > NYSbirds-L List Info:
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
 > 
 > ARCHIVES:
 > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
 > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
 > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
 > 
 > Please submit your observations to eBird:
 > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
 > 
 > --
 > 
 
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 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
 
 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Dawn Hannay]

I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m willing 
to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they will start 
selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts February 1. The 
only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 2021 permit 
holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid permit, which is 
not available for purchase at this time. 
Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general 
> public using limited parking
> 
> Jennifer
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
>> wrote:
>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
>> all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there 
>> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some 
>> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway 
>> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that 
>> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch 
>> (birds).
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
>>> 
>>> L. Trachtenberg 
>>> Ossining NY 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
> 
 
 Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
 need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this 
 unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. 
 It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort 
 Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the 
 organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about 
 money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space. 
 From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots. 
 I was planning to go, but we cannot.
 
 Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
 driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver 
 gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to 
 the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, 
 but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the 
>> permit you can be towed. 
>> Bob O’Neill 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  
>>> wrote:
>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy 
>>> > Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in 
>>> > winter, but I seem to remember some change in that policy. 
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Dawn Hannay
>>> > 
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> > --
>>> > 
>>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>>> > 
>>> > ARCHIVES:
>>> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
>>> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
>>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>>> > 
>>> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
>>> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
>>> > 
>>> > --
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>>> 
>>> ARCHIVES:
>>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
>>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
>>> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>>> 
>>> Please submit your observations to eBird:
>>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
>>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Dawn Hannay]

I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m willing 
to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they will start 
selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts February 1. The 
only people who can park legally in the meantime are existing 2021 permit 
holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with a valid permit, which is 
not available for purchase at this time. 
Dawn

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders 
> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have general 
> public using limited parking
> 
> Jennifer
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg  
>> wrote:
>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
>> all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there 
>> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some 
>> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway 
>> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that 
>> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch 
>> (birds).
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my 
>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
>>> 
>>> L. Trachtenberg 
>>> Ossining NY 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
> 
 
 Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
 need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this 
 unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. 
 It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort 
 Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the 
 organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about 
 money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space. 
 From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots. 
 I was planning to go, but we cannot.
 
 Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
 driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver 
 gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to 
 the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, 
 but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
 
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the 
>> permit you can be towed. 
>> Bob O’Neill 
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  
>>> wrote:
>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy 
>>> > Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in 
>>> > winter, but I seem to remember some change in that policy. 
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Dawn Hannay
>>> > 
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> > --
>>> > 
>>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>>> > 
>>> > ARCHIVES:
>>> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
>>> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
>>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>>> > 
>>> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
>>> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
>>> > 
>>> > --
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>>> 
>>> ARCHIVES:
>>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
>>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
>>> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>>> 
>>> Please submit your observations to eBird:
>>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Anne Lazarus]

Where do you park the bike? Would it be illegal for it to be in the parking
lot?

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 7:19 PM  wrote:

> The federal government repeatedly has cut budgets for park and recreation
> areas over the past 20 years. At this point our tax dollars actually do not
> cover even a bare bones budges for these areas and fees for parking and
> other services are an increasingly important part of their budgets.
> Perhaps a "Friends of Gateway National Recreation Area" could be formed by
> birders or a local bird club and used to raise funds, which would make
> birders part of the financial picture without placing a burden on those who
> have less money to pay for a permit or a Lyft ride?
>
> On 2/3/2022 7:08 PM, Adelia Honeywood wrote:
>
> When I went recently we parked at Fort Tilden and then took a Lyft over to
> the Fisherman's Lot at Breezy. You can also take the Q35 bus until just
> over the Marine Pkwy Bridge and take an Uber or Lyft from there.
>
> I agree with Stanley though that a national park is supposed to be
> accessible to all - or at least to a wider pool of stakeholders. The NPS in
> recent years has been very public campaigning to attract greater diversity
> in visitors. Having an area that is accessible to nobody but a gated
> community and a few permit holders is not in keeping with their stated
> values regarding a public resource (which all of our tax dollars pay for).
> Reaching out to the Congressional reps and the Parks Service itself to
> point this out couldn't hurt and may attract attention.
>
> (And I realize in saying this, that it will still only be most easily
> accessible to drivers, which is a bigger issue...)
>
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 06:12:09 PM EST, Stanley Greenberg
>   wrote:
>
>
> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible
> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there
> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some
> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway
> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that
> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch
> (birds).
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>
> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my
> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).
>
> L. Trachtenberg
> Ossining NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>
> 
> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you
> need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this
> unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season.
> It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort
> Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the
> organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about
> money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space.
> From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots.
> I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>
> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another
> driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver
> gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to
> the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated,
> but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
>
> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:
>
> 
> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit
> you can be towed.
> Bob O’Neill
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>
> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
> > Thank you,
> > Dawn Hannay
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Anne Lazarus]

Where do you park the bike? Would it be illegal for it to be in the parking
lot?

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 7:19 PM  wrote:

> The federal government repeatedly has cut budgets for park and recreation
> areas over the past 20 years. At this point our tax dollars actually do not
> cover even a bare bones budges for these areas and fees for parking and
> other services are an increasingly important part of their budgets.
> Perhaps a "Friends of Gateway National Recreation Area" could be formed by
> birders or a local bird club and used to raise funds, which would make
> birders part of the financial picture without placing a burden on those who
> have less money to pay for a permit or a Lyft ride?
>
> On 2/3/2022 7:08 PM, Adelia Honeywood wrote:
>
> When I went recently we parked at Fort Tilden and then took a Lyft over to
> the Fisherman's Lot at Breezy. You can also take the Q35 bus until just
> over the Marine Pkwy Bridge and take an Uber or Lyft from there.
>
> I agree with Stanley though that a national park is supposed to be
> accessible to all - or at least to a wider pool of stakeholders. The NPS in
> recent years has been very public campaigning to attract greater diversity
> in visitors. Having an area that is accessible to nobody but a gated
> community and a few permit holders is not in keeping with their stated
> values regarding a public resource (which all of our tax dollars pay for).
> Reaching out to the Congressional reps and the Parks Service itself to
> point this out couldn't hurt and may attract attention.
>
> (And I realize in saying this, that it will still only be most easily
> accessible to drivers, which is a bigger issue...)
>
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 06:12:09 PM EST, Stanley Greenberg
>   wrote:
>
>
> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible
> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there
> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some
> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway
> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that
> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch
> (birds).
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>
> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my
> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).
>
> L. Trachtenberg
> Ossining NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>
> 
> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you
> need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this
> unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season.
> It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort
> Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the
> organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about
> money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space.
> From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots.
> I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>
> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another
> driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver
> gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to
> the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated,
> but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
>
> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:
>
> 
> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit
> you can be towed.
> Bob O’Neill
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>
> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
> > Thank you,
> > Dawn Hannay
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > --
> >
> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> >
> > ARCHIVES:
> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> >
> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> >
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> >
>
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> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>
> 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[tess]

The federal government repeatedly has cut budgets for park and 
recreation areas over the past 20 years. At this point our tax dollars 
actually do not cover even a bare bones budges for these areas and fees 
for parking and other services are an increasingly important part of 
their budgets.  Perhaps a "Friends of Gateway National Recreation Area" 
could be formed by birders or a local bird club and used to raise funds, 
which would make birders part of the financial picture without placing a 
burden on those who have less money to pay for a permit or a Lyft ride?

On 2/3/2022 7:08 PM, Adelia Honeywood wrote:
> When I went recently we parked at Fort Tilden and then took a Lyft 
> over to the Fisherman's Lot at Breezy. You can also take the Q35 bus 
> until just over the Marine Pkwy Bridge and take an Uber or Lyft from 
> there.
>
> I agree with Stanley though that a national park is supposed to be 
> accessible to all - or at least to a wider pool of stakeholders. The 
> NPS in recent years has been very public campaigning to attract 
> greater diversity in visitors. Having an area that is accessible to 
> nobody but a gated community and a few permit holders is not in 
> keeping with their stated values regarding a public resource (which 
> all of our tax dollars pay for). Reaching out to the Congressional 
> reps and the Parks Service itself to point this out couldn't hurt and 
> may attract attention.
>
> (And I realize in saying this, that it will still only be most easily 
> accessible to drivers, which is a bigger issue...)
>
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 06:12:09 PM EST, Stanley Greenberg 
>  wrote:
>
>
> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be 
> accessible to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. 
> I bike there sometimes but I realize that's not an option for 
> everyone. I know some birding groups are working on this but it never 
> hurts to write to Gateway management and the local Congressperson, 
> Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are given a 
> higher priority than people who watch (birds).
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>
> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks
> and my guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).
>
> L. Trachtenberg
> Ossining NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this
>> year, and you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups
>> are fighting this unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule
>> can be changed this season. It also applies to the fisherman`s
>> lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there is any
>> action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations
>> representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money.
>> The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking
>> space. From my experience that is not true. There are always lots
>> of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>>
>> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if
>> another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and
>> the second driver gives the first driver a little time on the
>> beach. The rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick
>> up the original driver., complicated, but possible, Bird
>> different areas and take turns.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit.
>>> Without the permit you can be towed.
>>> Bob O’Neill
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for
>>> parking at Breezy Point? We used to park at the
>>> fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to
>>> remember some change in that policy.
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Dawn Hannay
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>>> 
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>>> 
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[tess]

The federal government repeatedly has cut budgets for park and 
recreation areas over the past 20 years. At this point our tax dollars 
actually do not cover even a bare bones budges for these areas and fees 
for parking and other services are an increasingly important part of 
their budgets.  Perhaps a "Friends of Gateway National Recreation Area" 
could be formed by birders or a local bird club and used to raise funds, 
which would make birders part of the financial picture without placing a 
burden on those who have less money to pay for a permit or a Lyft ride?

On 2/3/2022 7:08 PM, Adelia Honeywood wrote:
> When I went recently we parked at Fort Tilden and then took a Lyft 
> over to the Fisherman's Lot at Breezy. You can also take the Q35 bus 
> until just over the Marine Pkwy Bridge and take an Uber or Lyft from 
> there.
>
> I agree with Stanley though that a national park is supposed to be 
> accessible to all - or at least to a wider pool of stakeholders. The 
> NPS in recent years has been very public campaigning to attract 
> greater diversity in visitors. Having an area that is accessible to 
> nobody but a gated community and a few permit holders is not in 
> keeping with their stated values regarding a public resource (which 
> all of our tax dollars pay for). Reaching out to the Congressional 
> reps and the Parks Service itself to point this out couldn't hurt and 
> may attract attention.
>
> (And I realize in saying this, that it will still only be most easily 
> accessible to drivers, which is a bigger issue...)
>
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 06:12:09 PM EST, Stanley Greenberg 
>  wrote:
>
>
> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be 
> accessible to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. 
> I bike there sometimes but I realize that's not an option for 
> everyone. I know some birding groups are working on this but it never 
> hurts to write to Gateway management and the local Congressperson, 
> Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are given a 
> higher priority than people who watch (birds).
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>
> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks
> and my guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).
>
> L. Trachtenberg
> Ossining NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this
>> year, and you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups
>> are fighting this unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule
>> can be changed this season. It also applies to the fisherman`s
>> lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there is any
>> action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations
>> representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money.
>> The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking
>> space. From my experience that is not true. There are always lots
>> of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>>
>> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if
>> another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and
>> the second driver gives the first driver a little time on the
>> beach. The rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick
>> up the original driver., complicated, but possible, Bird
>> different areas and take turns.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit.
>>> Without the permit you can be towed.
>>> Bob O’Neill
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for
>>> parking at Breezy Point? We used to park at the
>>> fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to
>>> remember some change in that policy.
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Dawn Hannay
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>>> 
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>>> 
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 When I went recently we parked at Fort Tilden and then took a Lyft over to the 
Fisherman's Lot at Breezy. You can also take the Q35 bus until just over the 
Marine Pkwy Bridge and take an Uber or Lyft from there.
I agree with Stanley though that a national park is supposed to be accessible 
to all - or at least to a wider pool of stakeholders. The NPS in recent years 
has been very public campaigning to attract greater diversity in visitors. 
Having an area that is accessible to nobody but a gated community and a few 
permit holders is not in keeping with their stated values regarding a public 
resource (which all of our tax dollars pay for). Reaching out to the 
Congressional reps and the Parks Service itself to point this out couldn't hurt 
and may attract attention. 
(And I realize in saying this, that it will still only be most easily 
accessible to drivers, which is a bigger issue...)
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 06:12:09 PM EST, Stanley Greenberg 
 wrote:  
 
 This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
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> 
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> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
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> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Adelia Honeywood]

 When I went recently we parked at Fort Tilden and then took a Lyft over to the 
Fisherman's Lot at Breezy. You can also take the Q35 bus until just over the 
Marine Pkwy Bridge and take an Uber or Lyft from there.
I agree with Stanley though that a national park is supposed to be accessible 
to all - or at least to a wider pool of stakeholders. The NPS in recent years 
has been very public campaigning to attract greater diversity in visitors. 
Having an area that is accessible to nobody but a gated community and a few 
permit holders is not in keeping with their stated values regarding a public 
resource (which all of our tax dollars pay for). Reaching out to the 
Congressional reps and the Parks Service itself to point this out couldn't hurt 
and may attract attention. 
(And I realize in saying this, that it will still only be most easily 
accessible to drivers, which is a bigger issue...)
On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 06:12:09 PM EST, Stanley Greenberg 
 wrote:  
 
 This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible to 
all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there sometimes 
but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some birding groups are 
working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway management and the local 
Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are 
given a higher priority than people who watch (birds).

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  
L. Trachtenberg Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:



Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there 
is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The fishermen 
they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my experience that is 
not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we 
cannot.
Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver gives 
the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to the main 
area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but possible, 
Bird different areas and take turns.
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:



Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
can be towed. Bob O’Neill 
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Jennifer Wilson-Pines]

I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders
permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have
general public using limited parking

Jennifer

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg 
wrote:

> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible
> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there
> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some
> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway
> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that
> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch
> (birds).
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>
>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my
>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).
>>
>> L. Trachtenberg
>> Ossining NY
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and
>> you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this
>> unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season.
>> It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort
>> Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the
>> organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about
>> money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space.
>> From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots.
>> I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>>
>> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another
>> driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver
>> gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to
>> the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated,
>> but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
>>
>>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the
>>> permit you can be towed.
>>> Bob O’Neill
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
 >
 > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
 Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
 but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
 > Thank you,
 > Dawn Hannay
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
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 > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Jennifer Wilson-Pines]

I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders
permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have
general public using limited parking

Jennifer

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg 
wrote:

> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible
> to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there
> sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some
> birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway
> management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that
> people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch
> (birds).
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:
>
>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my
>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).
>>
>> L. Trachtenberg
>> Ossining NY
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and
>> you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this
>> unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season.
>> It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort
>> Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the
>> organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about
>> money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space.
>> From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots.
>> I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>>
>> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another
>> driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver
>> gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to
>> the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated,
>> but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
>>
>>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the
>>> permit you can be towed.
>>> Bob O’Neill
>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
 >
 > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
 Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
 but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
 > Thank you,
 > Dawn Hannay
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
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 >
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Stanley Greenberg]

This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible
to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there
sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some
birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway
management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that
people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch
(birds).


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my
> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).
>
> L. Trachtenberg
> Ossining NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>
> 
> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you
> need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this
> unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season.
> It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort
> Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the
> organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about
> money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space.
> From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots.
> I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>
> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another
> driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver
> gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to
> the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated,
> but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
>
>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit
>> you can be towed.
>> Bob O’Neill
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
>>> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
>>> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Dawn Hannay
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>>> >
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>>> >
>>> > ARCHIVES:
>>> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
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>>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>>> >
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Stanley Greenberg]

This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be accessible
to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I bike there
sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I know some
birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write to Gateway
management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that
people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than people who watch
(birds).


On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar  wrote:

> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my
> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).
>
> L. Trachtenberg
> Ossining NY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>
> 
> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you
> need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this
> unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season.
> It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort
> Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the
> organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about
> money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space.
> From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots.
> I was planning to go, but we cannot.
>
> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another
> driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver
> gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to
> the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated,
> but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
>
>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit
>> you can be towed.
>> Bob O’Neill
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
>>> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
>>> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Dawn Hannay
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>>> >
>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>>> >
>>> > ARCHIVES:
>>> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
>>> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
>>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>>> >
>>> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Trachlar]

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  

L. Trachtenberg 
Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
> 
> 
> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
> need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
> regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
> applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If 
> there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
> representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The 
> fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my 
> experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was 
> planning to go, but we cannot.
> 
> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
> driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver 
> gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to 
> the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but 
> possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit 
>>> you can be towed. 
>>> Bob O’Neill 
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:
 I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
 > 
 > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy 
 > Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, 
 > but I seem to remember some change in that policy. 
 > Thank you,
 > Dawn Hannay
 > 
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > --
 > 
 > NYSbirds-L List Info:
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
 > 
 > ARCHIVES:
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 > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
 > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Trachlar]

Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my guess 
is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily).  

L. Trachtenberg 
Ossining NY 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus  wrote:
> 
> 
> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you 
> need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this unjust 
> regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season. It also 
> applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If 
> there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations 
> representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. The 
> fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space. From my 
> experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots. I was 
> planning to go, but we cannot.
> 
> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another 
> driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver 
> gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to 
> the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated, but 
> possible, Bird different areas and take turns.
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:
>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>> 
 On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit 
>>> you can be towed. 
>>> Bob O’Neill 
 On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:
 I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
 > 
 > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy 
 > Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, 
 > but I seem to remember some change in that policy. 
 > Thank you,
 > Dawn Hannay
 > 
 > Sent from my iPhone
 > --
 > 
 > NYSbirds-L List Info:
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
 > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
 > 
 > ARCHIVES:
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 > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
 > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
 > 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Anne Lazarus]

Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this
unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season.
It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort
Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the
organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about
money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space.
>From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots.
I was planning to go, but we cannot.

Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver
gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to
the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated,
but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:
>
> 
> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit
> you can be towed.
> Bob O’Neill
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>
>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>> >
>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
>> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
>> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
>> > Thank you,
>> > Dawn Hannay
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > --
>> >
>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
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>> >
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>> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
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>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Anne Lazarus]

Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and you
need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting this
unjust regulation.  Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed this season.
It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, part of Fort
Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know about it from the
organizations representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about
money. The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking space.
>From my experience that is not true. There are always lots of empty spots.
I was planning to go, but we cannot.

Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if another
driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the second driver
gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The rest can go back to
the main area, and then later pick up the original driver., complicated,
but possible, Bird different areas and take turns.

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro  wrote:

> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?
>
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:
>
> 
> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit
> you can be towed.
> Bob O’Neill
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>
>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>> >
>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
>> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
>> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
>> > Thank you,
>> > Dawn Hannay
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > --
>> >
>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
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>> >
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>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Deborah Shapiro]

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:
> 
> 
> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
> can be towed. 
> Bob O’Neill 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? 
>> > We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I 
>> > seem to remember some change in that policy. 
>> > Thank you,
>> > Dawn Hannay
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > --
>> > 
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>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
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>> > 
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>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>> > 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Deborah Shapiro]

Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags?

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill  wrote:
> 
> 
> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit you 
> can be towed. 
> Bob O’Neill 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? 
>> > We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I 
>> > seem to remember some change in that policy. 
>> > Thank you,
>> > Dawn Hannay
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > --
>> > 
>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
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>> > 
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>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>> > 
>> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
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>> 
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Jennifer Wilson-Pines]

Photos of sign at Breezy recently posted on another list- permit not
required in winter (until March)

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:04 PM Robert O'Neill  wrote:

> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit
> you can be towed.
> Bob O’Neill
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>
>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>> >
>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
>> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
>> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
>> > Thank you,
>> > Dawn Hannay
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > --
>> >
>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>> >
>> > ARCHIVES:
>> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
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>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>> >
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>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Jennifer Wilson-Pines]

Photos of sign at Breezy recently posted on another list- permit not
required in winter (until March)

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:04 PM Robert O'Neill  wrote:

> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit
> you can be towed.
> Bob O’Neill
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:
>
>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
>> >
>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
>> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
>> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
>> > Thank you,
>> > Dawn Hannay
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > --
>> >
>> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>> >
>> > ARCHIVES:
>> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
>> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>> >
>> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
>> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
>> >
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>> >
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Robert O'Neill]

Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit
you can be towed.
Bob O’Neill
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
> > Thank you,
> > Dawn Hannay
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > --
> >
> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> >
> > ARCHIVES:
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> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> >
> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
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> >
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>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Robert O'Neill]

Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the permit
you can be towed.
Bob O’Neill
On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus  wrote:

> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy
> Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter,
> but I seem to remember some change in that policy.
> > Thank you,
> > Dawn Hannay
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > --
> >
> > NYSbirds-L List Info:
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> >
> > ARCHIVES:
> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> >
> > Please submit your observations to eBird:
> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> >
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>
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> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
>
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
>
> --
>
>

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NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Anne Lazarus]

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> 
> --
> 

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NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Anne Lazarus]

I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
> used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
> remember some change in that policy. 
> Thank you,
> Dawn Hannay
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> --
> 
> NYSbirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01
> 
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
> 
> --
> 

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NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

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[nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Dawn Hannay]

Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
remember some change in that policy. 
Thank you,
Dawn Hannay

Sent from my iPhone
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NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

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[nysbirds-l] Question re parking at Breezy Point, Queens

[Dawn Hannay]

Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at Breezy Point? We 
used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was legal in winter, but I seem to 
remember some change in that policy. 
Thank you,
Dawn Hannay

Sent from my iPhone
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NYSbirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

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