Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Andy Fiddaman]

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017, qutic development wrote:

; Hi Theo,
;
; that is a word!
;
; > I was hoping not to be the first, but I will attempt to lead by example. 
I'll pledge my time to do required security package publications on 014 and 
022. As security issues with packages in core arise, I will update the build 
system, re-roll the packages and publish them.
;
; There are a few security related releases since Dan left:
;
; - sudo
; - openssl (bugfix)
; - openjdk 7
; - bind 9
; - ldap
;
; As 014 and 022 have signed packages, nobody else than OmniTi can build 
packages for these, right?

I have added a pull request for the openssl update to omnios-build, just to
see if anyone was picking these up.

https://github.com/omniti-labs/omnios-build/pull/105

I've updated my local omnios r22 package mirror and updated our servers too
but I've obviously had to disable package signatures.

Seems we don't currently have a maintained package repository although
people (including me) have volunteered to maintain it.

Andy

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[Bryan Allen]

I'm happy to stick mailing lists under the same umbrella that the
illumos and SmartOS lists use.
Lists would be f...@lists.omnios.org, under Topicbox, with a searchable /
discoverable web archive like
https://illumos.topicbox.com[1]

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On Mon, May 15, 2017, at 17:09, Theo Schlossnagle wrote:
> Couldn't agree more about github; it's where community happens.
> If an org is started to manage assets, and it can likely pay for
> hosting out of its operating budget.> 
> On May 15, 2017 5:47 PM, "Tobias Oetiker"  wrote:
>> - On May 15, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Michael Rasmussen
>> m...@miras.org wrote:>> 
>>  > On Mon, 15 May 2017 22:46:10 +0200
>>  > Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
>>  >
>>  >> On Mon, 15 May 2017 07:37:35 +0200
>>  >> Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >> > To follow example I will commit myself to maintain the wiki and
>>  >> > any>>  >> > other web based infrastructure the project may need and 
>> choose
>>  >> > to have.>>  >> >
>>  >> I have found out that Omniti holds the domain name omnios.org.
>>  >> Will>>  >> Omniti consider handing over omnios.org to the community?
>>  >>
>>  > BTW. speaking of wiki, online infrastructure etc.
>>  > Any thoughts or wishes?
>>  > What about hosting? (the important parts are: wiki and/or web
>>  > site,>>  > mail list and/or forum, repository, bug tracker)
>>  > This also means deciding which software to use for the above.
>> 
>>  I would strongly urge to keep source, issues, pull requests, wiki on
>>  github.>> 
>>  it is perfectly integrated, works very well, and we have one less
>>  thing to worry about.>> 
>>  cheers
>>  tobi
>> 
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Theo Schlossnagle]

Couldn't agree more about github; it's where community happens.
If an org is started to manage assets, and it can likely pay for hosting
out of its operating budget.

On May 15, 2017 5:47 PM, "Tobias Oetiker"  wrote:

> - On May 15, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Michael Rasmussen m...@miras.org wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 15 May 2017 22:46:10 +0200
> > Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 15 May 2017 07:37:35 +0200
> >> Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> >>
> >> > To follow example I will commit myself to maintain the wiki and any
> >> > other web based infrastructure the project may need and choose to
> have.
> >> >
> >> I have found out that Omniti holds the domain name omnios.org. Will
> >> Omniti consider handing over omnios.org to the community?
> >>
> > BTW. speaking of wiki, online infrastructure etc.
> > Any thoughts or wishes?
> > What about hosting? (the important parts are: wiki and/or web site,
> > mail list and/or forum, repository, bug tracker)
> > This also means deciding which software to use for the above.
>
> I would strongly urge to keep source, issues, pull requests, wiki on
> github.
>
> it is perfectly integrated, works very well, and we have one less thing to
> worry about.
>
> cheers
> tobi
>
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Michael Rasmussen]

On Mon, 15 May 2017 23:38:20 +0200 (CEST)
Tobias Oetiker  wrote:

> - On May 15, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Michael Rasmussen m...@miras.org wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 15 May 2017 22:46:10 +0200
> > Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> >   
> >> On Mon, 15 May 2017 07:37:35 +0200
> >> Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> >>   
> >> > To follow example I will commit myself to maintain the wiki and any
> >> > other web based infrastructure the project may need and choose to have.
> >> > 
> >> I have found out that Omniti holds the domain name omnios.org. Will
> >> Omniti consider handing over omnios.org to the community?
> >>   
> > BTW. speaking of wiki, online infrastructure etc.
> > Any thoughts or wishes?
> > What about hosting? (the important parts are: wiki and/or web site,
> > mail list and/or forum, repository, bug tracker)
> > This also means deciding which software to use for the above.  
> 
> I would strongly urge to keep source, issues, pull requests, wiki on github.
> 
> it is perfectly integrated, works very well, and we have one less thing to 
> worry about.
> 
Assuming we go with github this leaves mail list and/or forum and wiki
and/or web site to be decided. This tightly coupled with the domain
name so this will have to wait for this decision.

I have a VM on DigitalOcean doing nothing else than act as backup MX
which I could throw in as hosting for this?


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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Tobias Oetiker]

- On May 15, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Michael Rasmussen m...@miras.org wrote:

> On Mon, 15 May 2017 22:46:10 +0200
> Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 15 May 2017 07:37:35 +0200
>> Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
>> 
>> > To follow example I will commit myself to maintain the wiki and any
>> > other web based infrastructure the project may need and choose to have.
>> >   
>> I have found out that Omniti holds the domain name omnios.org. Will
>> Omniti consider handing over omnios.org to the community?
>> 
> BTW. speaking of wiki, online infrastructure etc.
> Any thoughts or wishes?
> What about hosting? (the important parts are: wiki and/or web site,
> mail list and/or forum, repository, bug tracker)
> This also means deciding which software to use for the above.

I would strongly urge to keep source, issues, pull requests, wiki on github.

it is perfectly integrated, works very well, and we have one less thing to 
worry about.

cheers
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Michael Rasmussen]

On Mon, 15 May 2017 22:46:10 +0200
Michael Rasmussen  wrote:

> On Mon, 15 May 2017 07:37:35 +0200
> Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> 
> > To follow example I will commit myself to maintain the wiki and any
> > other web based infrastructure the project may need and choose to have.
> >   
> I have found out that Omniti holds the domain name omnios.org. Will
> Omniti consider handing over omnios.org to the community?
> 
BTW. speaking of wiki, online infrastructure etc.
Any thoughts or wishes?
What about hosting? (the important parts are: wiki and/or web site,
mail list and/or forum, repository, bug tracker)
This also means deciding which software to use for the above.

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Michael Rasmussen]

On Mon, 15 May 2017 17:08:18 -0400
Theo Schlossnagle  wrote:

> My understanding from Robert's email was that they'd hand over all that
> stuff.  But a "community" isn't a legal entity to which someone can hand
> something over.  I'm doing some research on governance models that would
> most-closely emulate community ownership.
> 
I think the most used way of handling something like this is either
creating a company or a trust fund which holds all trademarks, domain
names etc.

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Theo Schlossnagle]

My understanding from Robert's email was that they'd hand over all that
stuff.  But a "community" isn't a legal entity to which someone can hand
something over.  I'm doing some research on governance models that would
most-closely emulate community ownership.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Michael Rasmussen  wrote:

> On Mon, 15 May 2017 07:37:35 +0200
> Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
>
> > To follow example I will commit myself to maintain the wiki and any
> > other web based infrastructure the project may need and choose to have.
> >
> I have found out that Omniti holds the domain name omnios.org. Will
> Omniti consider handing over omnios.org to the community?
>
> --
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Dan McDonald]

> On May 15, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 07:37:35 +0200
> Michael Rasmussen  wrote:
> 
>> To follow example I will commit myself to maintain the wiki and any
>> other web based infrastructure the project may need and choose to have.
>> 
> I have found out that Omniti holds the domain name omnios.org. Will
> Omniti consider handing over omnios.org to the community?

I believe that IS part of the plan.  Robert T. can answer that with authority, 
however.

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Michael Rasmussen]

On Mon, 15 May 2017 07:37:35 +0200
Michael Rasmussen  wrote:

> To follow example I will commit myself to maintain the wiki and any
> other web based infrastructure the project may need and choose to have.
> 
I have found out that Omniti holds the domain name omnios.org. Will
Omniti consider handing over omnios.org to the community?

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Andries Annema]

It seems indeed you did shake things up a bit.

To give my two cents in this: I am happy to help! Although I am not a 
developer - sysadmin at most, and even that is not my *primary* everyday 
function - I am always eager to learn.


My current state/skills regarding OmniOS (since 2014):

* am running two LTS (r151014 for now) boxes at home,

* non-global zones (LX zones not yet),

* KVM,

* some bash scripting skills (not even close to being an ace though),

* have done some compiling and IPS packaging while hosting it on a 
personal repo (but compiling skills are still novice)


* was/am planning to start using some Illumos-distro (preferably OmniOS) 
at my boss' office - where I'm the sysadmin - but as a result of these 
late developments I am investigating alternatives (ZFS-on-Linux, Docker, 
...) as well.


* willing to do some testing too - not too much on my production 
machines though, but I can setup some physical or virtual test environment.


* oh, and have been using Linux (Ubuntu, CentOS, OpenSUSE) since 2011.

I sincerely hope we can keep this thing going.

Regards,

Andries

On 2017-05-15 11:36, Michael Mounteney wrote:

It seems my rather pessimistic assessment has started something going.
We have several volunteers making offers of various skills and I'm
happy to join them.  My skills are:

* Programming in C, C++, Java, Bash but not PHP.

* Home-user level sysadmin (configure dovecot, DHCP, NAT, KVM etc.
   without necessarily fully understanding what I'm doing).

* Testing, provided failure won't destroy data or cause other
   non-recoverable errors.

We still need a leader/coordinator.  Theo, would Robert allow you to do
that in company time?  He did say "while some of our staff may continue
contributing" which kind of implies that he might.  That would really
help, because it's quite obvious to me that unless a serious company
stands behind OmniOS, the big guns that are prepared to pay $10ks a
year for maintenance will go elsewhere.

The next step is the establishment of some sort of foundation or
committee to coordinate the efforts of the volunteers.

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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Krzysztof Grzempa]

I work as a devops, having  various scripting languages skills (python php
javascript), basics im c++ (learningowej proces)and 10+ years expierience
with Linux. Then i discovered solaris 8,9,10,11 and it suprised me with old
features which Linux was just starting.
Anyway, i have no expierience on packaging nor developing system itself but
im willing to Learn and help.
Thats for my statement...
Now, i belive we should make decisions on directions
- release model
- disscused mariage with OI
- governance of the project
- structure and roles in project

Etc

Regards
W dniu pon., 15.05.2017 o 08:48 Tobi Oetiker  napisał(a):

> I will also be glad to help with packaging.
>
> O+P is already running a repo on pkg.oetiker.ch but we have not widely
> publicized it.
>
> My main use of omnios is as a server for kvm an lxzones, so I would also
> be willing to help with porting updates from joyent unfortunately I have no
> experience with this at
> all.
>
> Tobias Oetiker
> t...@oetiker.ch
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>
> On 15 May 2017, at 01:10, Theo Schlossnagle <
> theo.schlossna...@circonus.com> wrote:
>
> I have to chime in. Communities aren't built on money; they are built on
> time. I think there has been an unhealthy focus on how much money people
> are willing to pledge without considering who would even be willing to
> accept that money for their time. Those willing might not require payment
> at all.
>
> Communities are built on collective need and contributed time. It comes
> down to volunteering. I have yet to see anyone pledge time to do work, and
> from my perspective that is what is truly needed here.
>
> I was hoping not to be the first, but I will attempt to lead by example.
> I'll pledge my time to do required security package publications on 014 and
> 022. As security issues with packages in core arise, I will update the
> build system, re-roll the packages and publish them.
>
> If this will be successful, other people will need to commit to do the
> work and we will democratize the access to make that work possible.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Theo
>
>
> On May 14, 2017 3:41 PM, "Michael Mounteney" 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 May 2017 17:33:56 +0200
>> Krzysztof Grzempa  wrote:
>>
>> > So, where are we at the moment? Any conclusions? Decisions? Plans?
>>
>> TBH it's not looking good.
>>
>> https://gitter.im/PostOmniOS/Lobby has reached no firm conclusion.  We
>> certainly are well-short of a group of qualified and committed people
>> who could take-on management of OmniOS.
>>
>> The funding poll at
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IyAI950a-JkPgRRLSezZm9-Rt8HkfO_nIkubd_m8d_0/edit
>> is short by an order of magnitude of what it needs to set-up commercial
>> OmniOS support.  Even the promises amount to less than a serious salary.
>>
>> I hate to be negative but somebody has to say it and we have to decide
>> how to move on.
>>
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[Tobi Oetiker]

I will also be glad to help with packaging. 

O+P is already running a repo on pkg.oetiker.ch but we have not widely 
publicized it.

My main use of omnios is as a server for kvm an lxzones, so I would also be 
willing to help with porting updates from joyent unfortunately I have no 
experience with this at
all.

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> On 15 May 2017, at 01:10, Theo Schlossnagle  
> wrote:
> 
> I have to chime in. Communities aren't built on money; they are built on 
> time. I think there has been an unhealthy focus on how much money people are 
> willing to pledge without considering who would even be willing to accept 
> that money for their time. Those willing might not require payment at all. 
> 
> Communities are built on collective need and contributed time. It comes down 
> to volunteering. I have yet to see anyone pledge time to do work, and from my 
> perspective that is what is truly needed here. 
> 
> I was hoping not to be the first, but I will attempt to lead by example. I'll 
> pledge my time to do required security package publications on 014 and 022. 
> As security issues with packages in core arise, I will update the build 
> system, re-roll the packages and publish them.
> 
> If this will be successful, other people will need to commit to do the work 
> and we will democratize the access to make that work possible.
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Theo
> 
> 
>> On May 14, 2017 3:41 PM, "Michael Mounteney"  wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 May 2017 17:33:56 +0200
>> Krzysztof Grzempa  wrote:
>> 
>> > So, where are we at the moment? Any conclusions? Decisions? Plans?
>> 
>> TBH it's not looking good.
>> 
>> https://gitter.im/PostOmniOS/Lobby has reached no firm conclusion.  We
>> certainly are well-short of a group of qualified and committed people
>> who could take-on management of OmniOS.
>> 
>> The funding poll at
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IyAI950a-JkPgRRLSezZm9-Rt8HkfO_nIkubd_m8d_0/edit
>> is short by an order of magnitude of what it needs to set-up commercial
>> OmniOS support.  Even the promises amount to less than a serious salary.
>> 
>> I hate to be negative but somebody has to say it and we have to decide
>> how to move on.
>> 
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[Jim Klimov]

On May 12, 2017 6:07:01 PM GMT+03:00, Dan McDonald  wrote:
>Dear OmniOS Community,
>
>For the past 3+ years, it has been my pleasure and honor to be "OmniOS
>Engineering" at OmniTI. I hope I made OmniOS a nice platform to use for
>solving problems, whether they be Home-Data-Center, service-hosting
>box, network filer, or other uses.
>
>As you saw, OmniTI is turning over OmniOS completely to the community. 
>The decision-making was sensible for OmniTI, and I understand it
>completely. With r151022, OmniOS should be at a nice long-term state
>(022 was always intended to be LTS).
>
>I will be around OmniTI for another week (though on Friday the 19th my
>availability will be spotty).  During this next week, I encourage
>people to start upgrading or installing r151022 on their environments. 
>I already have updated it on my own HDC, and it seems to be performing
>as it has previously.  
>
>Thank you again, OmniOS community, for making these past three years as
>rewarding as I'd hoped they'd be when I joined OmniTI. And as for
>OmniTI, if you need web or database consulting, please keep them in
>mind. Still a fan, even though I'm no longer with them.
>
>Dan McDonald -- OmniOS Engineering
>
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Oh, bummer... I hope you'd be around for the community effort too every now and 
then. ;) Thanks for keeping that ship afloat!

Jim
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Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

[Andries Annema]

Dan,

What Linda says, times two!
*making a deep bow*

You really did a marvelous job. I sincerely hope that we, as a community,
can and will keep the ball rolling and make it even better ;-)
That said, it would be awesome if you are willing to contribute in the
future still, albeit at a lower frequency and intensity, obviously.

Thanks a lot and all the best of luck with your new challenges in life!

Cheers,
Andries


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Linda Kateley
Sent: vrijdag 12 mei 2017 17:36
To: omnios-discuss@lists.omniti.com
Subject: Re: [OmniOS-discuss] To the OmniOS Community

Outstanding job Dan!


On 5/12/17 10:07 AM, Dan McDonald wrote:
> Dear OmniOS Community,
>
> For the past 3+ years, it has been my pleasure and honor to be "OmniOS
Engineering" at OmniTI. I hope I made OmniOS a nice platform to use for
solving problems, whether they be Home-Data-Center, service-hosting box,
network filer, or other uses.
>
> As you saw, OmniTI is turning over OmniOS completely to the community.
The decision-making was sensible for OmniTI, and I understand it completely.
With r151022, OmniOS should be at a nice long-term state (022 was always
intended to be LTS).
>
> I will be around OmniTI for another week (though on Friday the 19th my
availability will be spotty).  During this next week, I encourage people to
start upgrading or installing r151022 on their environments.  I already have
updated it on my own HDC, and it seems to be performing as it has
previously.
>
> Thank you again, OmniOS community, for making these past three years as
rewarding as I'd hoped they'd be when I joined OmniTI. And as for OmniTI, if
you need web or database consulting, please keep them in mind. Still a fan,
even though I'm no longer with them.
>
> Dan McDonald -- OmniOS Engineering
>
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