[osdcmy-public] Re: Join my network on LinkedIn
Emelia Yamson wrote: Thanks for your quick response. As part of a research to recommend a working open source university management system, we selected Mecca. I wanted to know what the process is so we start acquiring and if possible customize for some universities here. I would not mind sending some of my techs for training either. The emphasis is on my organization helping the Ghanaian universities to understand and acquire open source products that works. In view of this I need to know how we can get started on Mecca and what sort of costs are associated with it. Best regards Emelia Hi Emelia, I would recommend ADempiere instead. Please see www.adempiere.com. Mecca as it is does not have the robust community nor technical advancement that ADempiere enjoyed. Mecca has the functionality but it is arguable when we begin to look at any roadmap of future growth that requries the above stated. If you are speaking about a combined effort for Ghana at a national level i do not mind travelling at the invitation of any sponsor there to evangelise on a way forward to extend and build upon ADempiere for the university fraternity. In turn, with your country resources a joint effort with also some universities from our side can result in a self contribution to the ADempiere community and project. This can be a good way to brand Ghana and extend its influence over other neighbouring states that began to need guidance on using and extending open source. I cc to the adempiere project and local communities for their interest. Many regards red1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Dr. Mahathir's suggested foreword
I would really suggest that you let Tun Dr. Mahathir write in his own word, without any external influence on the choices of word. People can determine if the word is Tun Dr. Mahathir's own, or someone else, just by reading the way it was written. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:04 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Riz, Here it is again. Will handover the mock copy from Pearson to you come Monday. Please confirm back the tentative date for OSDC.my entourage to present to YAB Tun Dr. M. Cover front/back - http://www.adempiere.com/images/3/35/PearsonBookCover.jpg The about the author and contents list http://red1.org/aaa/OSSERP1_1.zip The first chapter is here http://red1.org/aaa/OSSERP1_2.zip Draft foreword for Tun Dr. Mahathir's office to peruse: When I was in the Malaysian government, sometime in the 90s, I have asked for a policy to look into the use of free and open source software because it is available and provide more freedom to modify it for our continous and growing usage. However I was made to understand that it is not that easy without considerable effort and investment from many parties such as institutions, academicians and enthusiasts. Within the government, Mampu was tasked to promote and propagate strategies among the government agencies to adopt it. There is need to not only master the software but also to convince the right parties to use it. The open source movement depends heavily on a wide community of enthusiasts and practitioners to support and strenghten it. After leaving the government, the idea of open source did not stop there. We do have our local but loose community of sorts. Working in concert with the ir global counterparts, they not only continue to preach and master it, but are willing to come together and share it. I was given the honour to officiate the Malaysian Open Source Developers Club (OSDC.my) at our first International Open Source Conference in Kuala Lumpuer recently. One of its members, namely the author of this book has for a number of years, succesfully led a global and local community of participants and users of diverse backgrounds and languages to improve further on what is called Open Source ERP. What is amazing is he does this online while staying within a farm somewhere in Malaysia. This is something that not only amazes others but may inspire many of us here to rethink that the odds from global giants may not be as formidable as they sound. A local university, is brave enough to introduce his works as a first ever Masters course when it is not yet available as such in the universtiies of Harvard and Oxford. What it takes is a right idea and a confidence to compete on an open and entirely new playing field. The success of our ordinary fellow countrymen can be our humble gift to the world, at least as ideas to further share and build upon. I hope this book helps to further the cause of the community and the needy humanity particularly of the 3rd world that cannot afford expensive foreign softwares. I wish them every success that they deserve. Dr. Mahathir Mohammad Awaiting your advice. (others may correct my facts, or tokok tambah :) ) red1 -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: OSDC to host SourceForge Mirror Site
Sourceforge code hosting tidak berfungsi sebegini. SVN/Git hosting berada dalam master server. Yang ada kat mirror hanyalah downloadable software sahaja (source dalam bentuk tar.gz, binary dalam bentuk exe) Untuk commit SVN/Git mesti commit ke master server. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: sangat setuju... sebab nak svn ke sourceforge lembab gila. dari putrajaya campus network (pcn) almost impossible - php files, bukan besar pun. dan syarat paling penting ialah bila commit to the local mirror, this gets replicated to all other sourceforge mirrors in the world. saya dah on the verge to move our subversion ke google code - sebab distributed servers gives stable web services. ultimate aim is to include our software in the ubuntu and fedora and centos packages. rm30 million is just enough to produce 100 world class developers over 5 years. kalau setakat rm10 million sure fail, dan kalau rm20 million only if we are very very very lucky dapat the right people first time (5% probability). but if you want a world class centre then rm30 million is the minimum that is required. reference case study : gsk global it hub in pj total investment value rm70 million “We recognise where Glaxo’s business is growing rapidly,” Louv said, adding that the company had so far invested over RM11mil in the new centre and employed 130 people. He said it planned to invest another RM60mil in the centre over the next two years. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Mohd Fadzil Md Arap fad...@gmail.com wrote: Yes .. setuju-ed :) From community to community. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Dear guys/chix/mix Whether we like it or not, the path to world dominance has to pass thru some giants. Either you take it from Google's ass or MS armpit, or strike out with a friendly repository. Thus we have to have the mirror for ourselves. It is also part of the govt MCMC plan to reduce traffic outflow. So Baim and me here in the room next to the pantry of the building across MDec has decided to go ahead and propose a RM30m masterplan under OSDC.my to get that. WDYT? - what do you think? Setuju/No Setuju red1 -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Dr. Mahathir's suggested foreword
If that is the case, then you could provide Tun with relevant facts in sheet(s) of paper, eg. MAMPU create OSCC to promote Open Source to government, Tun launching OSDC.my, etc. Let the word flow from his own writing. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:52 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Riz adviced today to me, as an act of courtesy and respect, to offer our own points for Tun to ponder. I agree, as for any statesman, he refers to advice and then decides on it. Tun may take advice based on his own well honed judgement. But to offer him a blank sheet is to assume he does not interact on information and people. Like in the IMF case, he didn't go into a cave and wait for some genie. He actively asked around and refers to local and overseas experts. His legacy is not that he knows more than us. His legacy is that he sees who is smart, refers to, then in finality, manages the call. darXness darXness wrote: yeah. i agree.maybe he already wrote the text.who know?btw,i really want to see his own text.mybe we can take some note from that.just my 2 cents. I would really suggest that you let Tun Dr. Mahathir write in his own word, without any external influence on the choices of word. People can determine if the word is Tun Dr. Mahathir's own, or someone else, just by reading the way it was written. -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Dr. Mahathir's suggested foreword
Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote: If that is the case, then you could provide Tun with relevant facts in sheet(s) of paper, eg. MAMPU create OSCC to promote Open Source to government, Tun launching OSDC.my, etc. Let the word flow from his own writing. good idea.. but i do not have the facts.. that is the reason i wrote here to you all. Got it? :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Dr. Mahathir's suggested foreword
Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote: If that is the case, then you could provide Tun with relevant facts in sheet(s) of paper, eg. MAMPU create OSCC to promote Open Source to government, Tun launching OSDC.my, etc. Let the word flow from his own writing. To avoid confusion, here are the remarks in my caveats again: -- Draft foreword for Tun Dr. Mahathir's office to peruse: ... (suggested music piece) Awaiting your advice. (others may correct my facts, or tokok tambah :) ) --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: OSDC to host SourceForge Mirror Site
I propose, in tandem with a code repository (BTW, a github clone is in my opinion way better than SF. I have seen some pretty nasty SVN merge problems ) a Google AppEngine like cloud computing facility free for opensource project from OSDC.my members (basic package) and payable for anyone else. Azrul On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: sangat setuju... sebab nak svn ke sourceforge lembab gila. dari putrajaya campus network (pcn) almost impossible - php files, bukan besar pun. dan syarat paling penting ialah bila commit to the local mirror, this gets replicated to all other sourceforge mirrors in the world. saya dah on the verge to move our subversion ke google code - sebab distributed servers gives stable web services. ultimate aim is to include our software in the ubuntu and fedora and centos packages. rm30 million is just enough to produce 100 world class developers over 5 years. kalau setakat rm10 million sure fail, dan kalau rm20 million only if we are very very very lucky dapat the right people first time (5% probability). but if you want a world class centre then rm30 million is the minimum that is required. reference case study : gsk global it hub in pj total investment value rm70 million “We recognise where Glaxo’s business is growing rapidly,” Louv said, adding that the company had so far invested over RM11mil in the new centre and employed 130 people. He said it planned to invest another RM60mil in the centre over the next two years. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Mohd Fadzil Md Arap fad...@gmail.comwrote: Yes .. setuju-ed :) From community to community. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Dear guys/chix/mix Whether we like it or not, the path to world dominance has to pass thru some giants. Either you take it from Google's ass or MS armpit, or strike out with a friendly repository. Thus we have to have the mirror for ourselves. It is also part of the govt MCMC plan to reduce traffic outflow. So Baim and me here in the room next to the pantry of the building across MDec has decided to go ahead and propose a RM30m masterplan under OSDC.my to get that. WDYT? - what do you think? Setuju/No Setuju red1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: OSDC to host SourceForge Mirror Site
Azrul Hasni MADISA wrote: I propose, in tandem with a code repository (BTW, a github clone is in my opinion way better than SF. I have seen some pretty nasty SVN merge problems ) a Google AppEngine like cloud computing facility free for opensource project from OSDC.my members (basic package) and payable for anyone else. Azrul i seen GIT mode in SF.. but lack the skill to set it up. No time too. If anyone already knows how and can do it and teach our community that be great. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Dr. Mahathir's suggested foreword
I have a booklet that have small history of Open Source in Malaysia. I will bring it to FOSS.my tomorrow. Going forward, we should start documenting Open Source history in Malaysia, where/how/who it started, and where it goes after that. We should and must learn from history to stop repeating the same mistake again and again. But if there is no history to learn from because we are not documenting it, so how? On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:17 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote: If that is the case, then you could provide Tun with relevant facts in sheet(s) of paper, eg. MAMPU create OSCC to promote Open Source to government, Tun launching OSDC.my, etc. Let the word flow from his own writing. good idea.. but i do not have the facts.. that is the reason i wrote here to you all. Got it? :) -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Dr. Mahathir's suggested foreword
Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote: I have a booklet that have small history of Open Source in Malaysia. I will bring it to FOSS.my tomorrow. Going forward, we should start documenting Open Source history in Malaysia, where/how/who it started, and where it goes after that. We should and must learn from history to stop repeating the same mistake again and again. But if there is no history to learn from because we are not documenting it, so how? Please get me on my mobile once u there. We got to meet and i really appreciate such booklet u have. tel 017-8869378 (sms also can) what time u be there? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Wakil OSDC untuk MyGOSSCon 24 WebDev Contest
Berita agak sedih untuk Team OSDC.my... Tahniah kepada KRIMnet kerana berjaya masuk ke contest tu. Semoga berjaya. -- Forwarded message -- From: P.P.Foong fo...@oscc.org.my Date: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM Subject: Your team is in the 2nd chance list to the 24-Hour OSS WebDev Contest 2009 To: rizal...@gmail.com Dear Sir, You have a great team, but just that we found other teams slightly on top of you. Your team is now in a 2nd chance list. In case any of the short-listed teams are kicked out, you might gain the opportunity to be in! You can visit to http://mygosscon.oscc.org.my/2009/24h-oss-webdev-contest/ for latest information, and to find out who are the teams that beaten you up. Please get prepared. There might still be chance for us to call you anytime to join the contest. Remember, you are not so far away from the short-listed. Meanwhile, we strongly encourage you to register and participate in the premier MyGOSSCON 2009 conference, if you have not done so. Check out the agenda for the interesting speakers and topics. Good luck! Regards, P.P.Foong --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: OSDC to host SourceForge Mirror Site
thanks guys for the info. kami budak baru belajar. if sf restricts commit hanya kepada master server - saya cadangkan kita tak perlu buang masa dgn sourceforge mirror. kita buat sendiri a distributed code hosting macam cadangan azrul. one of my team says his previous employer spent rm3 million to setup and operate 6 servers across the world. On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:55 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Azrul Hasni MADISA wrote: I propose, in tandem with a code repository (BTW, a github clone is in my opinion way better than SF. I have seen some pretty nasty SVN merge problems ) a Google AppEngine like cloud computing facility free for opensource project from OSDC.my members (basic package) and payable for anyone else. Azrul i seen GIT mode in SF.. but lack the skill to set it up. No time too. If anyone already knows how and can do it and teach our community that be great. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: OSDC to host SourceForge Mirror Site
Why waste any money at all? There are providers out there which provide spectacular service like GitHub and BitBucket. And with distributed source control like git, you continue to commit locally until a time you have a decent connection to push to remote. So having local servers are a moot point. Kamal On 24-Oct-2009, at 7:18 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: thanks guys for the info. kami budak baru belajar. if sf restricts commit hanya kepada master server - saya cadangkan kita tak perlu buang masa dgn sourceforge mirror. kita buat sendiri a distributed code hosting macam cadangan azrul. one of my team says his previous employer spent rm3 million to setup and operate 6 servers across the world. On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:55 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Azrul Hasni MADISA wrote: I propose, in tandem with a code repository (BTW, a github clone is in my opinion way better than SF. I have seen some pretty nasty SVN merge problems ) a Google AppEngine like cloud computing facility free for opensource project from OSDC.my members (basic package) and payable for anyone else. Azrul i seen GIT mode in SF.. but lack the skill to set it up. No time too. If anyone already knows how and can do it and teach our community that be great. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: OSDC to host SourceForge Mirror Site
To spend 30 mil, question is how much the outflow that we really have for Sourceforce from local net. That the first million we need to spend. To know about it. :) We dont want mirror sourceforge will make Malaysia Internet line overflow with International traffic. Another problem to think about. Mirror OSCC already over utilize bandwidth for Mirror. Ubuntu and Fedora are the main culprit. Download from outsite Malaysia more than local traffic. Let propose different way. 30 mil to create one central cloud service for Malaysia OSS community to work with and link together. Move Adempire in the cloud and create training env around it for this community to learn to used SVN GIT Track and contribute. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Dear guys/chix/mix Whether we like it or not, the path to world dominance has to pass thru some giants. Either you take it from Google's ass or MS armpit, or strike out with a friendly repository. Thus we have to have the mirror for ourselves. It is also part of the govt MCMC plan to reduce traffic outflow. So Baim and me here in the room next to the pantry of the building across MDec has decided to go ahead and propose a RM30m masterplan under OSDC.my to get that. WDYT? - what do you think? Setuju/No Setuju red1 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Wakil OSDC untuk MyGOSSCon 24 WebDev Contest
sarcasm Saya agak kagum, bagaimana pihak oscc boleh memilih yang terbaik dengan hanya melihat kepada nama mereka /sarcasm Ahmad Amran Kapi Art In Software Sdn Bhd Suite 2.5 Inkubator K-Ekonomi 75450 Ayer Keroh Melaka. 06-2322464 / 013-6102545 http://www.aist.com.my On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: bagi pihak krimnet - berbanyak terima kasih kerana support bagi pihak osdc.my - kita cuba lagi next competition, tapi lain kali pakai lah nama osdc.my On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:46 AM, darXness darXness darxl...@gmail.com wrote: huhuhu...mmg agak sdey la...xpe.next time ade lgi.kite cube lagi.. to krimnet,chaiyokl!!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Wakil OSDC untuk MyGOSSCon 24 WebDev Contest
Rizal and team confirm nak masuk ker? On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari rizal...@gmail.com wrote: Berita agak sedih untuk Team OSDC.my... Tahniah kepada KRIMnet kerana berjaya masuk ke contest tu. Semoga berjaya. -- Forwarded message -- From: P.P.Foong fo...@oscc.org.my Date: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM Subject: Your team is in the 2nd chance list to the 24-Hour OSS WebDev Contest 2009 To: rizal...@gmail.com Dear Sir, You have a great team, but just that we found other teams slightly on top of you. Your team is now in a 2nd chance list. In case any of the short-listed teams are kicked out, you might gain the opportunity to be in! You can visit to http://mygosscon.oscc.org.my/2009/24h-oss-webdev-contest/ for latest information, and to find out who are the teams that beaten you up. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Wakil OSDC untuk MyGOSSCon 24 WebDev Contest
Hmm nanti aku tanya. Dah tak dalam team OSCC jadi lambat sikit maklum... On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Ahmad Amran Kapi r0k...@gmail.com wrote: Haris, Kalau ikutkan, semua yang daftar nak masuk. Kenapa restrict 8 ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: OSDC to host SourceForge Mirror Site
Im more incline to agree with having central cloud service. On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: local traffic. Let propose different way. 30 mil to create one central cloud service for Malaysia OSS community to work with and link together. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Wakil OSDC untuk MyGOSSCon 24 WebDev Contest
Haris, Kalau ikutkan, semua yang daftar nak masuk. Kenapa restrict 8 ? Ahmad Amran Kapi Art In Software Sdn Bhd Suite 2.5 Inkubator K-Ekonomi 75450 Ayer Keroh Melaka. 06-2322464 / 013-6102545 http://www.aist.com.my On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Rizal and team confirm nak masuk ker? On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Mohd Rizal Mohd Shahari rizal...@gmail.com wrote: Berita agak sedih untuk Team OSDC.my... Tahniah kepada KRIMnet kerana berjaya masuk ke contest tu. Semoga berjaya. -- Forwarded message -- From: P.P.Foong fo...@oscc.org.my Date: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:37 PM Subject: Your team is in the 2nd chance list to the 24-Hour OSS WebDev Contest 2009 To: rizal...@gmail.com Dear Sir, You have a great team, but just that we found other teams slightly on top of you. Your team is now in a 2nd chance list. In case any of the short-listed teams are kicked out, you might gain the opportunity to be in! You can visit to http://mygosscon.oscc.org.my/2009/24h-oss-webdev-contest/ for latest information, and to find out who are the teams that beaten you up. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Dr. Mahathir's suggested foreword
Fully agreed. We have a lot of ducmentation reside in OSCC. Hmm. Need permission from MAMPU can we publish part of it as open public record. The blur timeline is before 2004. The history is only from mouth to mouth gossip by senior OSS. Need proper fact and figure. On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan sharuzza...@gmail.com wrote: I have a booklet that have small history of Open Source in Malaysia. I will bring it to FOSS.my tomorrow. Going forward, we should start documenting Open Source history in Malaysia, where/how/who it started, and where it goes after that. We should and must learn from history to stop repeating the same mistake again and again. But if there is no history to learn from because we are not documenting it, so how? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: OSDC to host SourceForge Mirror Site
Reasons? So it will be noted by agency planning this. Public opinions are highly value in this list. On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:52 AM, E A Faisal eafai...@gmail.com wrote: Im more incline to agree with having central cloud service. On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: local traffic. Let propose different way. 30 mil to create one central cloud service for Malaysia OSS community to work with and link together. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Thomas Reiter from Germany
Hi Tom, Its freezing already? Wow i envy you. :) Ok, i and azrul will digest your context for flex. I am still looking at making a big integration effort nevertheless with Pentaho or Spagobi that can give beyond the analytics u need. If we can add in flex, and stand one notch higher. The big news now, if you follow our forums, is that we re getting MySQL onto ADempiere! Now, if you wana come over, make it December 14-16 during www.iiwas.org where i may be launching my book http://www.adempiere.com/images/3/35/PearsonBookCover.jpg got some nice inside legend http://www.adempiere.com/index.php/Image:Bookcoverppl.gif We be launching it with ex PM, Dr. Mahathir and key govt figures. Now that is one place i want you to look smart and sharp :) cos i be intoducing u around and you can do your 'selling' to those big guns. Some of them hold decisive positions. May fund you and me from one stop if we are lucky. Well... we cna just plan. Will keep u posted on the book launch planning so you can synch your trip with it. I cc the local community to catch in some of this buzz. red1 Thomas Reiter wrote: Hi Redhuan, Apologies for slow follow-up, but am badly tied up with my business over here. Hope to meet with Thomas Kreser within the next ten days or so re your Dummies proposition. Once I get an idea where to look for what kind of bracket, I can calculate the potential market size and then we put something in writing that could launch a fund raising exercise. Thomas didn't have time to meet during an exhibition in Munich this week, which was the most pathetic thing I've seen since Microsoft launched Windows ME; a complete and total loss of time. A tradeshow at its height in the early 2000s, during the dot-com craze, and which is now in a state of agony. Nonetheless, there was an ERP vendor (Alphaplan) with a fairly large booth, selling their goods at some Euro 1.500 per user (they were not exactly busy though). There were more document management vendors, one of which reacted almost angrily when being asked about open source competition (Alfresco), which indicates that they're having a some problem with this competition. Anyway, for my project, I hope to have specs ready by end of next week at the latest. As for budget, I don't want to spend more than €1.500 for the demo version, since it's such a long shot. Just spoke to a retired banker who used to fund a project in a similar sphere and although he encouraged me, since outsourcing has great promise, he told me that I should not expect German customers to sign up for this kind of service anytime soon. So my key objective is to get anything at all working for US - UK - Scandinavian markets and then just go on the road to try and sell the idea. The interface I've customized with A. standard components is still kind if unwieldy, but if the dashboard looks fine, it will be OK, so I believe. For that purpose I would need an Adempiere installation with menu according to my needs and, most importantly, a dashboard that could at least in part show the potential of such application. As for technologiy, I've looked up a number of sites and I believe Adobe Flex is still the best out there (see sample on http://examples.adobe.com/flex3/devnet/dashboard/main.html). If you think we could get something like this (linked to A.) going, let's go and try. Glad to offer to the community, hopefully anyone could use. If you think it makes sense, I'll hop over to KL for a few days or so to talk all through. This whole thing has become important to me, although I'm getting less than stellar comments. I don't want to let it go before some 100 potential clients have told me no use. That's it for now from rainy and freezy Germany and I remain, Kind regards Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Thank You Web Team
Thank you. Web Team Nuhaa (the lead), Ejat (The admin), Rizal (teknikal) and Nasrul (pembakar semangat) and anyone that saya terlupa ???. New look for OSDC.my. Most of them busy with daily jobs but thank you for spending time updating OSDC.my website. Thanks to CIAST for providing the web service Azrul and for the JomSocial. (Next update the sponsor page) http://www.osdc.my/community --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Seketariat ADempiere Melawat Dr. Mahathir
Saya rasa ada baiknya wakil setiap kmuniti datang bersama-sama berjumpa Tun demi kepentingan Open Source di Malaysia. - Original Message - From: Mohd Rizal Haji Atan tilm...@gmail.com To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 11:59:47 AM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: [osdcmy-public] Re: Seketariat ADempiere Melawat Dr. Mahathir Cik Yun, tempah tiket 1 :-) mana nak jumap cik yun nie? 2009/10/23 Mohd Syukor Abdul msyu...@searcct.gov.my Count me in too. I love to meet Tun since 1996. :) - Original Message - From: Mohd Yusnizam Mohamad myusni...@opensource.org.my To: osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:47:27 AM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong Kong / Urumqi Subject: [osdcmy-public] Re: Seketariat ADempiere Melawat Dr. Mahathir kalau selepas 21 Nov/ weekend/ cuti sekolah saya boleh join rombongan tersebut. add mohd yusnizam aka jengc0il 2009/10/23 Najah khairunna...@gmail.com Noted. Currently on the list :- 1. Red1 - Kuang Sifu Master 2. Miss Yun 3. Shukri - Pingu Masuk Kampung 4. Wariola - Model versi 10.03.02 5. Black - The Blurry Knight 6. Syazwan - The Reporter 7. DarXness - The Malam 8. Puan Norhija Jaffar - Pearson 9. Raja Iskandar Shah - Raja Krim 10. Mohd Taufiq Ismail 11. Nazaitul Shima 12. Muhammad Fazli Samat 13. Nurhakimah Kamil 14. Shahida Baizura 15. Syed Mohd Fadhil 16. Mohd Rizal Haji Atan Setakat ni tiket masih lagi harga murah.. start esok harga double.. :p On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Muhd Syazwan Md Khusaini jipangmenje...@gmail.com wrote: nak check-in untuk team HackerMY TV dulu.. saya dan darxness :) On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:40 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Mohd Rizal Haji Atan wrote: Can i follow, bukan mudah nak dapat jumpa Tun :-) boleh... tak mahal... ambik tiket cepat-cepat dari Cik Yun.. last minute kan naik harga macam AirAsia pulak. :) -- Khairunnajah Abd Kadir SAHABAT Excellent Sdn Bhd i-SAHABAT Sdn Bhd SAHABAT Education and Training Institute Koperasi Usahawan Intelektual Siswazah Malaysia Berhad – KOPSIS Tel : 013-683 8980 │ Fax: 03-7956 3030 │ URL: www.sahabat.org 'Partner in The Learning Process...' --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Seketariat ADempiere Melawat Dr. Mahathir
Jika pertemuan ini berjaya menjemput Tun untuk perasmian buku ini kita usahakan semua komuniti dapat berjumpa Tun pada hari perasmian buku Tun. 2009/10/24 Mohd Syukor Abdul msyu...@searcct.gov.my: Saya rasa ada baiknya wakil setiap kmuniti datang bersama-sama berjumpa Tun demi kepentingan Open Source di Malaysia. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: untangle
Saya cadangkan kita besarkan lagi scope kepada komuniti OSS dalam Keselamatan Komputer. (OSS Computer Security Team) Saya sudah bualkan dengan rakan-rakan Gcert, Cybersecurity dan FreeBSD team. Nak join kita buat first meetup. 2009/10/24 Mohd Syukor Abdul msyu...@searcct.gov.my: Salam 1Malaysia sahabat2 OSS sekelian, Untangle ada web filter yang boleh filter social networking. Saya pun guna OpenDNS sebagai DNS server sahaja tapi tak pakai pun filetring yang OpenDNS. Tapi tu la kalau enabled semua features Untangle berat jugak. Saya rasa elok kita buat komuniti Untangle kat Malaysia secara rasmi dan berkongsi pengalaman masing2 dan knowledge. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: OSDC to host SourceForge Mirror Site
thanks kamal. git looks very promising. in the case of krimnet, currently we have development spread over 5 locations (1 in terengganu, 1 in cyberjaya, 1 in sri kembangan, 2 in putrajaya). with sf the connection memang teruk. will test out git on github and google code and launchpad. kalau sempat, saya akan cuba blog about it. untuk penerangan ringkas mengenai git : http://www.notgeeklycorrect.com/english/2008/10/01/nbgit-the-git-plugin-for-netbeans/ On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Kamal Fariz kamal.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Why waste any money at all? There are providers out there which provide spectacular service like GitHub and BitBucket. And with distributed source control like git, you continue to commit locally until a time you have a decent connection to push to remote. So having local servers are a moot point. Kamal On 24-Oct-2009, at 7:18 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah rajaiskand...@gmail.com wrote: thanks guys for the info. kami budak baru belajar. if sf restricts commit hanya kepada master server - saya cadangkan kita tak perlu buang masa dgn sourceforge mirror. kita buat sendiri a distributed code hosting macam cadangan azrul. one of my team says his previous employer spent rm3 million to setup and operate 6 servers across the world. On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:55 AM, red1 r...@red1.orgr...@red1.orgwrote: Azrul Hasni MADISA wrote: I propose, in tandem with a code repository (BTW, a github clone is in my opinion way better than SF. I have seen some pretty nasty SVN merge problems ) a Google AppEngine like cloud computing facility free for opensource project from OSDC.my members (basic package) and payable for anyone else. Azrul i seen GIT mode in SF.. but lack the skill to set it up. No time too. If anyone already knows how and can do it and teach our community that be great. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Seketariat ADempiere Melawat Dr. Mahathir
Noted. Currently on the list :- 1. Red1 - Kuang Sifu Master 2. Miss Yun 3. Shukri - Pingu Masuk Kampung 4. Wariola - Model versi 10.03.02 5. Black - The Blurry Knight 6. Syazwan - The Reporter 7. DarXness - The Malam 8. Puan Norhija Jaffar - Pearson 9. Raja Iskandar Shah - Raja Krim 10. Mohd Taufiq Ismail 11. Nazaitul Shima 12. Muhammad Fazli Samat 13. Nurhakimah Kamil 14. Shahida Baizura 15. Syed Mohd Fadhil 16. Mohd Rizal Haji Atan 17. mohd yusnizam aka jengc0il (if after 21 Nov/ weekend/ cuti sekolah) 18. Mohd Fadzil Md Arap 19. Mohd Syukor Abdul Cik Yun, tempah tiket 1 :-) mana nak jumap cik yun nie? En Rizal.. Bole collect tiket di bangi dgn bayaran RM200..hehehe... On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Jika pertemuan ini berjaya menjemput Tun untuk perasmian buku ini kita usahakan semua komuniti dapat berjumpa Tun pada hari perasmian buku Tun. 2009/10/24 Mohd Syukor Abdul msyu...@searcct.gov.my: Saya rasa ada baiknya wakil setiap kmuniti datang bersama-sama berjumpa Tun demi kepentingan Open Source di Malaysia. -- Khairunnajah Abd Kadir SAHABAT Excellent Sdn Bhd i-SAHABAT Sdn Bhd SAHABAT Education and Training Institute Koperasi Usahawan Intelektual Siswazah Malaysia Berhad – KOPSIS Tel : 013-683 8980 │ Fax: 03-7956 3030 │ URL: www.sahabat.org 'Partner in The Learning Process...' --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Thank You Web Team
tukang test x der mention pun.. ramai tester2 ni... 24 jam x hari2 sampai website ni up.. (test x sampai seminit pung) muahahahaha ... To follow the path, look to the master, follow the master, walk with the master, see through the master, become the master. Selasih Net Enterprise we never sleep, we just park our head Sent from Shah Alam, Malaysia On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. Web Team Nuhaa (the lead), Ejat (The admin), Rizal (teknikal) and Nasrul (pembakar semangat) and anyone that saya terlupa ???. New look for OSDC.my. Most of them busy with daily jobs but thank you for spending time updating OSDC.my website. Thanks to CIAST for providing the web service Azrul and for the JomSocial. (Next update the sponsor page) http://www.osdc.my/community --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
