RE: clicking on KB links in windows update [OT]

[Ian Thomas]

Right-click

Regards, Ian
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Wallace Turner
Sent: Monday, 12 March 2018 12:46 PM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: clicking on KB links in windows update [OT]

is there some trick to clicking (or copying) these links or must i type it out 
...

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RE: Class diagrams and tools for communicating with clients

[Ian Thomas]

Perhaps consider Ink to Code ? It’s the converse of your approach, but may help 
with client understanding.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/with-ink-to-code-microsoft-is-turning-back-of-napkin-sketches-into-software/

It’s a Microsoft Garage project, from Microsoft Store, not available here yet? 
(I haven’t checked)

ILT
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of kirsten greed
Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2018 8:22 AM
To: ozDotNet 
Subject: Class diagrams and tools for communicating with clients

Hello all.
After revisiting "Domain Driven Design"
I want to try using class diagrams to communicate with my client.
However my classes are cluttered with internal properties that are not relevant 
to our conversations

I thought of trying interfaces for example


public interface ISnapInModel
{

IBlank Blank { get;  set;  }
}

public interface IBlank
  {
public int Height {get;set;}
public int Width {get;set;}
  }


However when I try to create a class diagram in VS2017 no association draws 
between the two interfaces.

Is there a better way?
Thank you

RE: Logo for Ozdotnet

[Ian Thomas]

#2 - I like the demarcation of the states. Also, it looks OK in monochrome.


Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Monday, 10 April 2017 3:59 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Logo for Ozdotnet


Hey all,



My daughter, Katie, has given me a few logo designs based on what I asked for.



Plan is to put this on the website/forum (if/when that goes up) and make 
stickers and tshirts available (probably RedBubble). Turn it into something 
people can promote and get a bit of new blood.


Feedback welcome.

cheers
Stephen
p.s. personally I like 06, but have asked if she could have white text with a 
black outline (to make it easier to read). Also liked the OZ characters being 
slightly larger.

RE: [OT] Deleting Facebook account

[Ian Thomas]

FB have a how-to –
Going to your FB and trying to delete stuff just reactivates it – I know, I 
tried that
https://www.facebook.com/help/224562897555674/

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2017 9:02 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: [OT] Deleting Facebook account

Folks, does anyone know if there is a way to force Facebook to delete my 
account that I closed two years ago? I ran a probe a couple of weeks ago by 
attempting to reset the password of my supposedly defunct account, but it 
sprang back to life and is attempting to invite me back. I have discovered that 
my account seems to have been frozen and the history of all my contacts is 
still there. I guess everything else is still there as well.

A week ago I posted a letter to Facebook HQ in Sydney and told them to 
permanently delete the account and all data. Nothing has happened and I presume 
they will just ignore me.

How can I escalate this? What legal rights do I have?

Greg K

RE: PowerShell help

[Ian Thomas]

Thanks Preet and Trevor, both work. Keep forgetting $, also “ and ‘ require a 
bit of getting used to. 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

 

PowerShell help

[Ian Thomas]

Just trying to set the initial folder as the my documents in a profile -
this fails

set-location [Environment]::GetFolderPath("MyDocuments") 

but in PS prompt,  [Environment]::GetFolderPath("MyDocuments") returns the
folder string correctly. 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

RE: [OT] WinHlp32.exe and .CHM help file format

[Ian Thomas]

Greg - Yes, you reinforce my impressions (online doco).

Actually, I had two superceded help formats mixed - winhlp32.exe is for the
older .HLP format.

I do see a number of authoring products that support .CHM (including
Microsoft, and Sandcastle) but some have alternative output in PDF.  

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Friday, 22 April 2016 7:59 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] WinHlp32.exe and .CHM help file format

 

The current trend is towards online doco only, I'm guessing mostly because
it's so easy to keep up to date.

 

The SQL Server team begrudgingly supplies offline doco but it's not a patch
(no pun intended) on the online versions. They use their HelpViewer 2
mostly. Nothing is really coming in CHM any more.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax


SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 10:33 PM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> 
Subject: [OT] WinHlp32.exe and .CHM help file format

 

I know that the .CHM file format has been deprecated / not recommended / not
supported for 5 or more years, but I found that there is an installer for
Windows 8/8.1 for its "reader", Winhlp32.exe - but not for Windows 10. 

MSDN Magazine abandoned the format in 2009 or 2010.

I don't know if anyone writes help documentation for their Windows
applications any more - unless it's PDF or some form of HTML.

What's the experience and recommendsations of you folks on the ozdotnet
list? 

There is a way to coerce the Windows 7 install package for Winhp32.exe to
work for an install on Windows 10 64-bit (which is quite clever), but I'm
intrigued to know if Microsoft has any replacement for its various
generations of help file formats. For a decade or more (15+ years perhaps)
it spawned an entire industry of third-party help authoring applications.,
including a couple of Australian ones

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

RE: Web API HelpPage

[Ian Thomas]

On a tangent, but might be of interest to some: DocPreview, in the VS Gallery – 
similar to Resharper's XML documentation preview (but free, though Resharper is 
not pricey of course and does much more).

http://bit.ly/1U4wbfn 

Developed by Oleg Shilo, relies on the source code (not the assemblies), 
supports C#/C++, in active development this month (v1.0.30). 

 

Related (sort of) is immoDoc.NET

https://github.com/marek-stoj/ImmDoc.NET 

which is (quoting) – 

a command-line utility for generating HTML documentation from a set of .NET 
assemblies and XML files created by the compiler. It's developed in C#.

• Simple

• Light-weight

• Blazingly fast 

  • 10-20 times faster than VsDocMan

  • 20-25 times faster than Sandcastle

• Supports .NET Framework 2.0 and above

• Can generate HTML and CHM documentation

• Uses Mono.Cecil

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

RE: Azure Table query "not null"

[Ian Thomas]

GregL, thanks for the broad-ranging comments.

It’s interesting that many of the discussions (Stackoverflow and elsewhere) get 
stuck on “to null or not to null”, or a black-and-white discussion about SQL vs 
NoSQL databases (with little differentiation between flavours of either). Some 
of them (again, interestingly) quote Date vs Codd – they’re probably the new 
graduates. 

There are lots of discussions about Null. A persuasive argument against is that 
the term means different things (or means nothing) to different languages used 
to query the data. 

I have had a quick read of the (Microsoft) online documentation about designing 
for Azure, including Azure Table Databases, and on the whole it seems sensible 
(after just an hour’s eyeballing). Your pointing out the physical storage for 
Azure SQL being SSDs is certainly a determining factor, and its cost would be 
reflected in the cost differentials for the various Azure SQL services I guess.

Not related, but have you heard that Facebook’s “cold storage” on Bluray is to 
be developed by Panasonic into a commercial system?  Currently 100Gb and 300Gb 
disks (Facebook), with 500Gb and 1Tb the aim for Panasonic’s commercial system. 
50% cheaper, 80% more energy-efficient than hard disks.

Regarding ATS for transactional data, I thought it was a facile statement from 
that contributor to the SO question I linked to (maybe reflecting his/her 
experience), but in that same thread/question the final/latest contribution 
(Ken Smith) was rather fiercely condemnatory of Microsoft for not making ATS a 
type of SQL database. That’s what the internet tosses up. I would have thought 
the “lack of progress” he decries is because ATS is designed for a purpose, and 
not beyond. 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Sunday, 6 March 2016 10:19 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: Azure Table query "not null"

 

Hi Ian,

 

It’s a tough question.

 

For me, the biggest issue is where the querying really will happen. If 100% of 
the querying will happen in the application, and every object will just be 
persisted to the table storage and rehydrated before querying, then a table 
might suit. That usually leads to very poorly performing applications though, 
depending upon what you need to achieve. I see this type of app regularly.

 

For example, if I have a stock system and I need to clear the “quantity at last 
stocktake” value for every stock item, I could rehydrate every single stock 
item back to some middle tier, change the value, and then write them all back. 
Might feel clean and pure to some, but will take forever. There’s a big 
difference when you just say to the DB: “make every value in that column NULL”.

 

It's also worth considering that when you store the attributes of an object in 
a table store (key value pair store), instead of reading/writing one row, 
suddenly you might be reading and writing dozens of rows (or table values) to 
get the same outcome.

 

Potential scale really isn’t an issue for most of these types of DBs now. The 
current limit is 500GB and that’s going to increase substantially as well.  
Most of the Azure SQL DB storage is now on SSDs internally and most of the 
“normal” storage accounts aren’t. There could be a substantial performance 
difference.

 

Transaction support is another big issue. I was fascinated to see the comment 
that decided that table storage is a good target for financial transactions. 
Glad he’s not architecting systems that I work on. Azure table storage has a 
basic transaction concept but it won’t for example, even deal with you deleting 
a row and putting another one back in. At least it didn’t last time I checked 
it out. It had very, very limited concepts of transactions.

 

Table storage is cheaper than DB storage. No argument. But that two are hardly 
comparable in any way. With table storage, it’s more like you’re building your 
own clumsy DB. Personally, I’d rather pay for one and use it. It also means you 
lose the ability to use all the related tooling, much of which can help a great 
deal. 

 

The way I see it is that for most organisations, the data is the most valuable 
thing they own. It usually outlives generations of applications and just gets 
slightly morphed into different shapes over time. In most organisations, it’s 
also accessed by a number of applications, not just one. Designing your data 
storage for the needs of one version of one app that you need today is a big 
call, and usually not a very clever one.

 

Would I use table storage for anything? Sure, I can think of scenarios where I 
might. But it wouldn’t involve financial transactions. And most of the cases 
where I might have used it, are more related to storing data that doesn’t fit 
neatly into a relational model. That means that it probably doesn’t

RE: [OT] Windows.old folder

[Ian Thomas]

Greg, when the 15-11-2015 Windows 10 update (which is sometimes likened to a .1 
update)occurred, all update records that you can see when back to zero so to 
speak. But it doesn’t create a Windows.old (or mine haven’t) – that is typical 
of an upgrade that can back off” to the previous installed version of Windows. 

Do you also have a folder $Windows.~WS  with something in it? That is a part / 
a remnant of a qualifying prior Windows version, having downloaded the stuff 
necessary for the initial Windows 10 install. 

Maybe the friend who did your initial hardware assembly and Windows 
installation had a prior booting Windows on the current boot drive? 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Sunday, 6 March 2016 7:10 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: [OT] Windows.old folder

 

Folks, probably a Friday topic, but FYI ... I was doing some Sunday evening 
backups and cleanups and I noticed a Windows.old folder taking about 20GB with 
~12 files in it! Now the weird thing is that I have no clear idea when or 
where this came from. I didn't run or accept any major upgrades, and my Win10 
C: drive was installed fresh a few weeks ago.

 

You may recall two Monday mornings ago I booted and received a weird (and 
scary) windows update style message about "your files are still where you left 
them" and all my customisations had been reversed. Someone in here suggested 
that I had been upgraded to Windows 10.1, which is possible, but I find no 
record in the update history. I can only guess that I did receive a gigantic OS 
upgrade without warning, creating the Windows.old folder. This does worry me, 
as I like to have control over major decisions like this, and I certainly did 
in older versions of Windows. Even iOS is more polite and helpful about 
performing vast upgrades.

 

You have to login as local Administrator, take ownership of the folder and 
propagate full control all the way down before you can delete it.

 

GK

RE: Azure Table query "not null"

[Ian Thomas]

I wondered about Azure SQL vs Azure Table Storage pros and cons, and to lessen 
my ignorance looked at a few Q at Stackoverflow. 

This part of a response (5 years to 2 years  old, so the balance may have 
changed considerably) is one person’s opinion, but I’d be interested in Greg 
Low‘s comments on it: 

 

 
<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4930368/when-should-i-use-sql-azure-and-when-should-i-use-table-storage>
 When should i use Sql Azure and when should I use table Storage?

this is an excellent question and one of the tougher and harder to reverse 
decisions that solution architects have to make when designing for Azure. 

There are mutliple dimensions to consider: On the negative side, SQL Azure is 
relatively expensive for gigabyte of storage, does not scale super well and is 
limited to 150gigs/database, however, and this is very important, there are no 
transaction fees against SQL azure and your developers already know how to code 
against it.

ATS is a different animal all together. Capeable of megascalability, it is dirt 
cheap to store, but gets expensive to frequently access. It also requires 
significant amount of CPU power from your nodes to manipulate. It baiscally 
forces your compute nodes to become mini-db servers as the delegation of all 
relational activity is turned over to them.

So, in my opinion, frequently accessed data that does not need huge scalability 
and is not super large in size should be destined for SQL Azure, otherwise 
Azure Table Services.

Your specific example, transactional data from financial transactions is a 
perfect place for ATS, while meta information (account profiles, names, 
addresses, etc.) Is perfect for SQL azure. 

 

All the other answers to the NULL question that I have seen (for table storage) 
have some sort of “clumsy” testing, along the lines that GK has used. There are 
several lnks (elsewhere on SO – see the side-panel links to other questions on 
null testing) some of which lead to Microsoft guides, which may be helpful. 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Thomas Koster
Sent: Sunday, 6 March 2016 5:27 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: Azure Table query "not null"

 

On 4 March 2016 at 18:03, Greg Keogh < <mailto:gfke...@gmail.com> 
gfke...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks, anyone using Azure Tables Storage in anger? I really like it, 

> simple and effective.

> 

> What is the query syntax equivalent of SQL "not null", that is, a row 

> has a named property? I have a table with tens of thousands of rows, 

> but only a small percentage contains a property value named 

> ErrorMessage, and I want to select them only. Going ErrorMessage neq 

> "" works but it's too ugly to believe there isn't a better way.

 

OData has a "null" literal, but I don't know if they have it in Azure Tables (I 
have not used it "in anger").

 

Have you considered including something in the RowKey so that you can 
distinguish these rows from the rest with a range query instead?

 

--

Thomas Koster

RE: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

[Ian Thomas]

Peter, it’s a process which is a part of the “Get Windows 10” application that 
should have appeared on your taskbar.

Check here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 

 

Also, I relocated Windows Easy Transfer from somewhere on my Windows 7 machine, 
which created the MIG file I mentioned. It does work on Windows 7 to Windows 
10, but WET will not transfer programs. I think I got simple instructions from 
one of the several websites, like tenforums. 

You can still run Windows Easy Transfer in Windows 10. All you have to do is to 
copy two directories from your Windows 7 (or Windows 8): 

   \Windows\system32\migration\  and \Windows\System32\migwiz\ 

 

to your destination system. Place them anywhere outside Windows hierarchy. Run 
migwiz\migwiz.exe

 

ZInstall is the commercial product. 

 

How to upgrade to Windows 10 without losing your programs and files

http://www.zinstall.com/how-to/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-without-losing-your-programs-and-files
 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Griffith
Sent: Friday, 4 March 2016 9:07 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

 

Ian

,   "It's best that you run the Microsoft utility that will scan your system 
(it takes time) and will tell you which installed programs won't be retained 
once you acquire and let Windows 10 do its upgrade. There is excellent 
information available - before you get to that decision, before you run the 
utility. It is very explicit."

 

Which utility did you use?

 

PG

 

On 3 March 2016 at 10:40, Ian Thomas <il.tho...@outlook.com 
<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Another Windows 10 upgrade I did was from Windows 8 / 8.1 desktop (fresh 
install, a while back, then the 8.1 “fix”) which was on a smallish SSD (120GB). 
I let the upgrade trickle down and having backed up docs and email stuff, did 
the windows 10 transition without any problems. 

The unrelated problem was Outlook update as mentioned before (Windows 7 
desktop) but it was less of a problem on this, my wife’s home computer. 

Also, I recently bought S/H an Asus Transformer touch tablet/laptop which had 
Windows 8 Home installed, and upgraded it to Windows 10 (Home). It’s a bit of a 
toy (can’t put a data SIM into it), but quite a usable Windows machine and a 
contrast to my wife’s iPad 2 which I hate with a vengeance. The problem with 
this older model Asus Transformer is Windows 10 Home, and it’s a 32-bit 
version. But the upgrade from W8.1 to W10 was seamless, done from a bootable 
USB made from an ISO file. Really simple. 

Actually, I quite like this little device though it’s heavy with its 
dock/keyboard, and I find its touch screen and touchpad quite OK with or 
without keyboard attached. $220 from an RMIT student, as-new condition and with 
Office 2013 H 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> ] 
On Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2016 10:53 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >
Subject: RE: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

 

We tried to upgrade 2 x E7440’s running Windows 8.1 to Windows 10. Both said 
the upgrades worked and both were unusable after the upgrade. I’m sure it was a 
screen driver related issue. However, installing fresh went smoothly. I would 
have thought that would be the same drivers. Can’t imagine going back now 
though, quite like Windows 10.

 

I do remember all the messaging around Windows 8 that said you just needed to 
keep working with it until you “got it”. That was nonsense. It simply wasn’t a 
good experience. It’s great to see that Microsoft “got it” with Windows 10.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 <tel:%2B61%20419201410>  
mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913>  fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Rhys Jones
Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2016 10:35 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >
Subject: Re: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

 

i've got a windows 10 laptop so I'm familiar with the desktop, it's the upgrade 
process that I'm worried about, from past experience it never goes well. 

 




 

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.

 

 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com 
<mailto:gfke...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hey guys
Anyone got any advice on upgrading windows 7 to windows 10?

 

Went through 

RE: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

[Ian Thomas]

Another Windows 10 upgrade I did was from Windows 8 / 8.1 desktop (fresh 
install, a while back, then the 8.1 “fix”) which was on a smallish SSD (120GB). 
I let the upgrade trickle down and having backed up docs and email stuff, did 
the windows 10 transition without any problems. 

The unrelated problem was Outlook update as mentioned before (Windows 7 
desktop) but it was less of a problem on this, my wife’s home computer. 

Also, I recently bought S/H an Asus Transformer touch tablet/laptop which had 
Windows 8 Home installed, and upgraded it to Windows 10 (Home). It’s a bit of a 
toy (can’t put a data SIM into it), but quite a usable Windows machine and a 
contrast to my wife’s iPad 2 which I hate with a vengeance. The problem with 
this older model Asus Transformer is Windows 10 Home, and it’s a 32-bit 
version. But the upgrade from W8.1 to W10 was seamless, done from a bootable 
USB made from an ISO file. Really simple. 

Actually, I quite like this little device though it’s heavy with its 
dock/keyboard, and I find its touch screen and touchpad quite OK with or 
without keyboard attached. $220 from an RMIT student, as-new condition and with 
Office 2013 H 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Low (??)
Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2016 10:53 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

 

We tried to upgrade 2 x E7440’s running Windows 8.1 to Windows 10. Both said 
the upgrades worked and both were unusable after the upgrade. I’m sure it was a 
screen driver related issue. However, installing fresh went smoothly. I would 
have thought that would be the same drivers. Can’t imagine going back now 
though, quite like Windows 10.

 

I do remember all the messaging around Windows 8 that said you just needed to 
keep working with it until you “got it”. That was nonsense. It simply wasn’t a 
good experience. It’s great to see that Microsoft “got it” with Windows 10.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  <http://www.sqldownunder.com/> www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Rhys Jones
Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2016 10:35 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >
Subject: Re: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

 

i've got a windows 10 laptop so I'm familiar with the desktop, it's the upgrade 
process that I'm worried about, from past experience it never goes well. 

 




 

Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes.

 

 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com 
<mailto:gfke...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hey guys
Anyone got any advice on upgrading windows 7 to windows 10?

 

Went through the whole process two weekends ago, but on the desktop only with 
my developer's hat on (I have only used Win10 on a tablet for about 5 minutes). 
Some non-techie friends just look at it and go "it's sort of prettier isn't it, 
but where are my programs?" I explain the Start bar menu and tiles to them and 
off they go, and that's about it, they don't care about anything else.

 

As a power Win10 desktop user, I find Wi10 to be Win7 with more pretty clutter 
to get in the way of what you want to actually do. Internally they both feel 
about the same and all of my old apps installed and ran okay. But everything 
takes more clicks and more navigation to find and run quickly in Win10. I spent 
hours and hours stripping Win10 back to look and feel like Win7. And I must 
stress that I didn't do that out of spite, or because I resist change ... I did 
it because I had to! Win10 contains so much worthless garbage and clutter that 
I had to strip it out to keep my productivity up. All tiles, flat apps, 
superfluous icons, wallpaper, plug-ins, Cortana, etc ... all erased or hidden. 
I've pinned the dozen apps I use every day to the start bar and I'm back to 
working normally. So the big question is ... why did I do that? Why was it 
necessary? I'm not the only one. Somebody in the marketing and art departments 
that produce Win10 must be slightly askew to reality. Win10 feels a bit like an 
unfinished iMac.

 

So overall, I think you'll have little technical trouble going from 7 to 10, 
but as a power user I guess you'll spend a bit of time tweaking the desktop to 
your liking, as I did.

 

GK

 

RE: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

[Ian Thomas]

I have a different story than GK. 

I didn't upgrade my Windows 7 64-bit install, because I had (and still have,
on that hard disk) too many installed programs, and two users. 

It's best that you run the Microsoft utility that will scan your system (it
takes time) and will tell you which installed programs won't be retained
once you acquire and let Windows 10 do its upgrade. There is excellent
information available - before you get to that decision, before you run the
utility. It is very explicit. 

Your documents, and settings, will all be retained. Excluding the settings
for programs / program suites that you will have to re-install once W10 has
completely installed. 

You can also save a very large file (eg, 550Gb) which Windows Easy Transfer
creates (.MIG file). It's a part of the process.

Best to read about this - it was very clear to me how and why this was all
done, and how to follow the upgrade path. I did actually create a .MIG file
before deciding to dual-boot from the same hardware (except the small cost
of retaining the 2Tb drive that Windows 7 is booting from). It was an easy
decision to put an SSD into the hardware, and configure BIOS to default-boot
from it rather than the Windows 7 disk.

It's a good time to upgrade, since the "1511" major update to Windows 10
which is really Windows 10.1 was done in 15-11-2015. Downloading the latest
ISO from MSDN subscription was a better alternative than giving OK to the 2
or 3Gb of W10 upgrade stuff than my Windows 7 drive had accumulated. 

If you do decide to upgrade the disk where Windows 7 is installed (ie, to
try to retain everything that is installed there, including all programmes),
there is a paid alternative which I believe (convinced myself, by quizzing
the mob that produce it) which is simple and will retain 100% of your
installed programmes. It's well-regarded, has several pricing options
depending on whether you have a single machine or a number of them, if
re-installing is too big / too complicated. Essentially, it takes an image
of your disk and does a lot of work. Although only about $US100 for a single
process (not much more for several), I decided on the clean install, to a
new drive as described above. (there's probably an Enterprise solution
provided by Microsoft that does exactly that, but I'm guessing from some
TechNet emails I've seen)

I'm very impressed with Windows 10. 

I didn't like Windows 8 or 8.1, even with a 3rd-party Windows 7-type menu
system and despite my totally ignoring the second (touch) desktop and almost
every one of its "apps". The Windows 10 updates have been smooth, apart from
the Office team's really stuffing up some Outlook patches, which caused me -
and I would estimate many tens of thousands of others - to have to totally
re-install Outlook, and (if synchronizing with a Hotmail or Outlook.com
account) to have to download several Gb of emails etc etc. They have made a
few similar blues in the last 6 months - they should know better! 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Davy Jones
Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2016 10:01 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: [ot] upgrading to windows 10

 

Hey guys

Anyone got any advice on upgrading windows 7 to windows 10?

 

Thanks

Davy

 

Sent from my iPhone

RE: [OT] Windows 10 calculator

[Ian Thomas]

GK, not everyone has Mathematica (I used it years ago, different life) but the 
old Windows 7 calculator has some good features (apart from its familiarity) 
and someone has “ported” it to Windows 10 (here 
<http://winaero.com/download.php?view.1795>  – download; referenced here 
<http://www.intowindows.com/calculator-windows-10/>  in discussion / 
alternatives to the windows 10 calculator) – I haven’t tried that though.  

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 12:56 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows 10 calculator

 

Ah yes, a quick search shows a lot of angry discussion about Win10 calc. I just 
stumbled upon this new look by pure accident when I put the net use HRESULT 
code into it half an hour ago. I suppose the new calc feels nice on a tablet, 
but I wouldn't know as my screen just gets grease stains when I touch it. I'd 
never heard of Microsoft Mathematics before and I see there's an "old calc" for 
download, but I actually have Mathematica installed, so if I want to calculate 
a definite integral or get the square root of 2 to a million decimal places 
it's a better choice! -- GK

 

On 29 February 2016 at 12:36, Ian Thomas <il.tho...@outlook.com 
<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Greg, you’re not the first by a long shot to hate the Windows 10 calculator. 

Though it has right-click to copy or paste, it’s annoyed me for 6 months so 
like others I have replaced it for my use.  

One suggestion (here) 
<http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_apps-insider_other/windows-10-calculator-app-replace-by-microsoft/025783b7-8236-4963-86a7-692ab60a1115?auth=1>
  is a request for Microsoft to replace it with Microsoft Mathematics – there 
are nice images at that “Microsoft social” discussion page (also hate these 
acknowledgements to social media – “like”, “trending”, “social” - ugh. )

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

 

[OT] Windows 10 calculator

[Ian Thomas]

Greg, you're not the first by a long shot to hate the Windows 10 calculator.


Though it has right-click to copy or paste, it's annoyed me for 6 months so
like others I have replaced it for my use.  

One suggestion (here)
<http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_apps-insider_other
/windows-10-calculator-app-replace-by-microsoft/025783b7-8236-4963-86a7-692a
b60a1115?auth=1>  is a request for Microsoft to replace it with Microsoft
Mathematics - there are nice images at that "Microsoft social" discussion
page (also hate these acknowledgements to social media - "like", "trending",
"social" - ugh. )

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

RE: Microsoft acquires Xamarin

[Ian Thomas]

It’s those “more considered” comments to Guthrie’s blog that I think are worth 
looking at. I’m not sure if comments determine any actions, though. It’s 
probably direct contact with Microsoft people to discuss the short-comings and 
the wish-list that would be more productive – but as I wrote, I found some of 
the comments interesting. Not just the fact that MS had acquired Xamarin. 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, 26 February 2016 8:49 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: Microsoft acquires Xamarin

 

Oh yes, and if you read here:

 

https://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/welcoming-the-xamarin-team-to-microsoft

 

As they suggest, fix the pricing and fix the bugs - GK

 

On 25 February 2016 at 22:48, Ian Thomas <il.tho...@outlook.com 
<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Everyone will know this in 2 days of course, but Microsoft has finally bought 
Xamarin 
<https://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/welcoming-the-xamarin-team-to-microsoft> .

Just who (employees, developers) from the company will transition across to MS 
is not clear. 

There are some interesting comments to this post; not unexpectedly, reflecting 
(for one example) Greg Keogh’s reticence in adopting it at its cost for 
effective development by in dependent developers. And its efficacy. 

It’s not clear how it will be made available to the levels of Visual Studio 
licensing (cost), but it seems more than sensible to me to make it available at 
a modest subscription cost – perhaps not with Community Edition. 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

 

Microsoft acquires Xamarin

[Ian Thomas]

Everyone will know this in 2 days of course, but Microsoft has finally
bought Xamarin
<https://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/welcoming-the-xamarin-team-to-microsoft> .

Just who (employees, developers) from the company will transition across to
MS is not clear. 

There are some interesting comments to this post; not unexpectedly,
reflecting (for one example) Greg Keogh's reticence in adopting it at its
cost for effective development by in dependent developers. And its efficacy.


It's not clear how it will be made available to the levels of Visual Studio
licensing (cost), but it seems more than sensible to me to make it available
at a modest subscription cost - perhaps not with Community Edition. 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

[OT] Philips (Benq) 4K monitor

[Ian Thomas]

This may be of interest -

I was referred to this 4K monitor, 40"- 4K at 60Hz for $999.00 - I haven't
seen it in action but my referral is usually reliable.

http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10
<http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10=143
=7=239024> =143=7=239024 

 

It has remarkably good connectivity.

branded as Philips, made by BenQ - Philips has good warranty services here
I'm told

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

RE: [OT] New PC - Intel LGA 1151 Z170 socket boards

[Ian Thomas]

Ok, convinced myself that socket LGA 1151 Z170 chipset, ddr4 is probably what I 
want.  

Has anyone dealt with Supertech Computers (Brisbane, but online)? They build 
and deliver Australia-wide and have been around for a long time. 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2016 4:43 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] New PC - Intel LGA 2011-3 socket boards

 

I have this motherboard https://www.asus.com/au/Motherboards/RAMPAGE_V_EXTREME/

which uses LGA 2013-v3 socket. The main reason I went with this bad boy, was 
due to the memory configuration. DDR4, yes (not sure about DDR3, I don’t think 
it does either... just DDR4 looking at the specs). Not just that though, but 
you can put in 8 x DIMM which means you can have 64Gb of RAM. (which I do). 

 

Also has an on board M.2 Socket (not two unfortunately but I imagine 2016 
updated version will be better?)

I have 4 SSD’s in Raid 0 as my system drive which is almost as fast as my Raid 
0 M2 Pcie drive (two ssd cards on Pcie boards).

I couldn’t do 4 drives on the older IV extreme I had before this one.

 

Cheers

Stephen


From: Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2016 12:55 PM
To: 'ozDotNet' <mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> 
Subject: RE: [OT] New PC - Intel LGA 2011-3 socket boards

 

Nathan, you’re right the LGA 1151 boards for Skylake particularly its latest 
iteration Z170 is a better choice. And it shows how long ago I seriously looked 
at the DDR4 RAM prices. 

My research tells me that DDR4 doesn’t yet give much performance improvement 
(leave that aside), but it’s interesting that UniDIMM 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UniDIMM>  makes it possible to run either DDR3 
or DDR4 in the newer boards (ie, Skylake), not both at once.

There’s also an Asrock board that does both DDR3 and DDR4 (Asrock B150M 
Combo-G) which I wouldn’t buy – probably N/A here in Australia anyway. 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>  
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schultz
Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2016 2:29 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> >
Subject: Re: [OT] New PC - Intel LGA 2011-3 socket boards

 

I've been looking at refreshing my system as well. I'm not sure why you'd 
consider a Haswell system over SkyLake?

 

The price difference between something like an Intel i5-4590 (Haswell) and an 
Intel i5-6500 (Skylake) is ~$15.

And the price difference between 8GB of DDR3 (1600Mhz) and 8GB of DDR4 
(2133Mhz) is ~$20 (at least for Kingston).

 

I don't know where you're shopping to see three-fold price differences.

 

 

 

 

On 2 February 2016 at 19:51, Ian Thomas <il.tho...@outlook.com 
<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> > wrote:

I’m a bit ignorant of this, being a “slow adopter” – so would appreciate some 
opinions. 

 Apart from being ready for another self-build, a 15yo releative is keen to 
build himself a gaming PC that will last a few years [his choice of graphics 
card is based on the Nvidia GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 chipset, which is expensive: the 
Asus ASUS STRIX GeForce GTX 970, (Base: 1140MHz, Boost: 1279MHz), 4096MB 
(7010MHz) GDDR5, PCIE3.0, Dual DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort  i over $500 at a couple 
of places I’ve checked].

Someone was telling me that the LGA 2011-3 supports both DDR3 and DDR4 RAM, and 
there are some motherboards about that have slots for both types of memory. 

Is that right? 

The socket is used for the Intel Haswell-E and Haswell-EP CPUs. It was released 
in 2014 so now there should be some manufacturers supporting motherboard builds 
for people like me who would stuff it with DDR3 until the cost of DDR4 comes 
down by a factor of 3 or so ..

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

 

 

[OT] New PC - Intel LGA 2011-3 socket boards

[Ian Thomas]

I'm a bit ignorant of this, being a "slow adopter" - so would appreciate
some opinions. 

 Apart from being ready for another self-build, a 15yo releative is keen to
build himself a gaming PC that will last a few years [his choice of graphics
card is based on the Nvidia GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 chipset, which is expensive:
the Asus ASUS STRIX GeForce GTX 970, (Base: 1140MHz, Boost: 1279MHz), 4096MB
(7010MHz) GDDR5, PCIE3.0, Dual DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort  i over $500 at a
couple of places I've checked].

Someone was telling me that the LGA 2011-3 supports both DDR3 and DDR4 RAM,
and there are some motherboards about that have slots for both types of
memory. 

Is that right? 

The socket is used for the Intel Haswell-E and Haswell-EP CPUs. It was
released in 2014 so now there should be some manufacturers supporting
motherboard builds for people like me who would stuff it with DDR3 until the
cost of DDR4 comes down by a factor of 3 or so ..

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

RE: [OT] New PC no video

[Ian Thomas]

We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- GK

That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these new 
MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a useful 
fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a pattern of 
LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board).  

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

RE: [OT] New PC no video

[Ian Thomas]

Weird.

What CPU did you get? Is the RAM DDR3 or DDR4? Some boards can run both types.  

Asus mainboards boast of “audio aficionado” quality chips for sound/multimedia. 
My current years-old Asus board has HDMI and display port but I don’t make use 
of its better features. 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2016 6:04 PM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] New PC no video

 

My friend just rang to say he got the new box working, but in a way the 
confused and worried him. He also could get no video out of the motherboard, so 
in desperation he stuck a video card in, and it worked. Then in the BIOS screen 
he set it to use "onboard video" (which normally has to be the default), after 
which it works without the video card. So how stupid is that?! A perfect 
Catch-22 .. you can't configure the video to work until you get the video 
working. Sheesh! I'wondering if the ASRock board come out of the factory with 
the wrong settings -- GK

 

On 23 January 2016 at 17:43, Ian Thomas <il.tho...@outlook.com 
<mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> > wrote:

We couldn't even get the BIOS screen to show -- GK

That’s tell-tale for RAM not seated, and/or CPU. I’m not sure with these new 
MBs whether there is a connection to a speaker but it was used as a useful 
fault detection by a pattern of “beeps”. Your MB’s guide may show a pattern of 
LEDs for fault diagnosis (green/red lights on the board).  

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

 

RE: TraceSource and config

[Ian Thomas]

It has been in .NET since v2.0 and the docs for ,Net 4.5, 4.6 do give some 
configuration code that might be useful.

 

Since it has been around a while, and updated, I assume someone finds it 
useful. (I haven’t used it, instead using a crude write to text debug files)

 

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, 8 January 2016 9:35 AM
To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
Subject: Re: TraceSource and config

 

>From memory you use the Trace class directly

Trace.WriteLine("bla bla");

 

Nah, I don't think so, I'm using a "TraceSource" and all the samples I've seen 
make a static one, then write to it.

 

public static TraceSource ts = new TraceSource("MySource");

:

ts.TraceInformation("Hello world");

 

Greg

RE: Native DLL and Azure deploy

[Ian Thomas]

Easier as a 64-bit native DLL than as a 32-bit (as I recall from some time 
ago). This may have changed. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 2:39 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Native DLL and Azure deploy

 

Folks, we have an existing product which is currently deployed to hosted 
Win2008R2 servers and it's composed entirely of the following:

 

1.  A small NoSQL database.
2.  A branch of folders and files, possibly thousands of text files ranging 
in size from 1KB to 200KB. For ancient historical reasons these files are the 
"database" of the product and they can't sensibly be normalised into an RDB.
3.  A httpBasic service.
4.  A REST service.
5.  A native 64-bit DLL created by Borland XE C++ which is called via 
Interop from the two services.

My upcoming mission is prove this product can be deployed completely into the 
cloud (probably Azure because I have a developer account). Everything looks 
like a cinch to deploy to Azure because everything has a direct equivalent ... 
EXCEPT the native DLL. Does anyone know if this will present some Azure 
deployment problems because it's not a managed assembly? Security?

 

The native DLL will also have to read Blobs, so I'm hoping there is something 
in the Azure SDK to allow this.

 

Greg K

[OT] Windows Update wreaks havoc with Outlook

[Ian Thomas]

RANT - This really pissed me off. 

Desktop Outlook continually crashed yesterday/today, so after checking all the 
disk and system integrity things, running Scanpst on .pst and .ost files, etc I 
hid the files, started a new Outlook profile, and reconfigured (totally 
rebuilt) my mixed PST pop3, mapi, and IMAP email system that synchronizes 
desktop, laptop, tablet and phone via outlook.com (not Office 365).
Waiting for 6Gb of emails and attachments etc to fill up my new .ost, I decided 
to check who else in the interweb had a recent, similar problem.
Yes. KB3097877 of 10November is known to cause the continual crashing of all 
versions of Outlook. Workaround: disable download of images with emails. Fix: 
Uninstall the Windows Update (named), reboot and check for available Windows 
Updates (the faulty one has been replaced).
Thanks, Microsoft devs  
 

Ian Thomas
Sent from my Lumia 640 XL
Windows Phone

RE: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

[Ian Thomas]

My quick eval of the Lenovo models really attracts me to them.
But I am surprised that Yoga 2 and 3 both have only 8Gb max RAM, and the 3 has 
slower Core M processor and 2 hours less battery life than its predecessor.
Otherwise, both seem to be very nice tablet/PC with Win8.1 touch. Mini HDMI is 
a bonus, 3200x1800 is a nice resolution for 13.3 screen and only 1.19/1.36kg - 
impressive. The newer model has dual-band ac wireless, nicer than wireless n on 
the Yoga 2.
Prices I see are $1800 to $2300 depending on CPU and SSD.
My eyesight needs a 13 screen I reckon, so these Lenovo machines appeal over 
Surface Pro 3 - though more $ for Lenovos.
I seem to have a 4 year turnover, so these attract me now. Surface Pro 3 almost 
does...

Ian Thomas
Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8.1

From: Dave Walkermailto:rangitat...@gmail.com
Sent: ‎26/‎11/‎2014 18:14
To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Ultrabook for noob

Lenovo yoga 2 pro are awesome. Well worth checking out.
On 26 Nov 2014 19:50, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Stephen

 Thanks for the quick response. Actually a coworker suggested this list a
 while ago but I forgot all about it.

 Surface Pro 3 did have me interested at first but it is too small in my
 opinion and I prefer to just use the laptop and not have to hook up to an
 external monitor and keyboard and so on. Even a 13 has me concerned. I may
 go with 15.

 I've heard great things about the Macbook but the keyboard didn't feel
 right to me for Windows.

 I'll check out the XPS 15.

 Wow, 16Gb RAM? I didn't realise that was such an issue. 8Gb would be
 plenty for me I think but I guess going forward that will matter. How often
 do people change laptops? Is 3-4 years a stretch?

 Thanks
 Tom


 On 26 November 2014 at 17:02, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
 wrote:

 Welcome Tom!
 (OMG where did we get a new poster from?)

 Having more than a few laptops (both past and present) I feel slightly
 qualified to reply. I've found Dell pretty good, but always get the longest
 warranty you can get your hands on. It's happened a couple of times where a
 laptop has needed parts/repairs and its been out of warranty. When that
 happens its usually better to upgrade than spend money on it.

 I'm currently running a Mac book Pro 13 (for iOS dev cross platform stuff
 with Xamarin), a Surface Pro 3 (for most dev) and an Asus gaming laptop
 (amazing machine but a bit too heavy to lug about. Awesome for gaming at a
 mates place, or when others bring their laptops and you want to be sociable
 in the same room).
 The only thing that stops me from saying get a surface pro 3, is the RAM
 limit of 8Gb. If it could have 16Gb it would be the way to go, hands down.
 The other two laptops both have 16Gb and its really the only thing that
 lets the Surface Pro 3 down (spec wise). That said its the most portable,
 and most adaptable (laptop or tablet mode) and even wins on battery life by
 a huge margin.

 That said, the real answer is it depends. You need to look at what you
 want it for and makes sure whatever you get fits that first. Oh, I had a
 Samsung Ultrabook (the QuadHD touch screen one) and was disappointed with
 the high DPI experience of Windows 8. Passed it to my daughter for Uni
 laptop and she loves it.
 I almost got the Dell XPS 15 (with the QuadHD touchscreen) but got the
 surface pro 3 instead. So far not regretted that decision but I daresay the
 Dell would have also been a good buy (without the tablet form tho)

 HTH

 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Tom P tompbi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi

 First time poster here so please take it easy on me.

 I've only ever had a desktop but looking to purchase my first laptop,
 ultrabook preferred. I've been looking at the Dells for warranty and
 support feedback I've received, XPS 13 sounds mainly. I wish to use it for
 development mainly with some minor travel. Can some of the wiser more
 experienced developers here share their thoughts and recommendations?

 Thanks
 Tom

HERE Maps

[Ian Thomas]

Has anyone used the HERE Maps APIs to examine point data and collections in the 
various Nokia/HERE Maps applications?
Nokia Lumia phones use Nokia's mapping (maps, drive+, etc) which is HERE -  and 
point locations can be stored as Favorites or in named Collections. I would 
like to list these collections, and some properties of their items (points, 
places). Since this information is automatically uploaded by the phone to 
http://here.maps/collections, it can be browsed to on a desktop OS (a Windows 
Phone is not required) but cannot be exported. Limited editing is possible.

I have looked at the REST 'Places' API, but this hasn't helped me much yet. Can 
someone suggest appropriate docs or links?

Ian Thomas
Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8

RE: [OT] Windows phone recommendation

[Ian Thomas]

I have a Nokia Lumia 920 - I would prefer one with an SD card, and the better 
camera that the 930 has. The 1520 appeals.

Ian Thomas
Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8

From: Craig van Nieuwkerkmailto:crai...@gmail.com
Sent: ‎4/‎07/‎2014 13:31
To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Windows phone recommendation

If you can wait for the Nokia 930 it is meant to be really really good.


On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here have a Windows phone they're happy with and can recommend?
 Had an iPhone so far but am handing it down to my nephew and might try
 something else. Don't want a fablet either :p

 Cheers

RE: [OT] MSDN subscription

[Ian Thomas]

If that's the way O365 works here, I won't bother looking at any of those 
options.

Ian Thomas
Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8

From: Stephen Pricemailto:step...@perthprojects.com
Sent: ‎30/‎05/‎2014 19:47
To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Re: [OT] MSDN subscription

I tried to activate Office365 with my msdn subscription (theres a link
there to do it).

Australia wasn't in the list of countries to choose from. :(

There was a sign in button which gives me this:

Sorry, that didn't workThis doesn't look like a valid user ID. Make sure
you typed the user ID assigned to you by your organization. It usually
looks like some...@example.com or some...@example.onmicrosoft.com.
Sign out
http://login.microsoftonline.com/logout.srf?ct=1401450248rver=6.4.6456.0lc=1033id=271346ru=https:%2F%2Fportal.microsoftonline.com%2FCommerce%2FCustomizeOrder.aspx%3FAction%3DBuyOffer%26Return%3DHome%26OfferId%3D7157-A040-4a9c-80BB-C36A5FAB2FEB%26dl%3DDEVELOPERPACK%26pc%3D6e2b5b6b-1eb3-474a-8693-28911ed9dbb2%26ali%3D1%26
CloseSupport Information
https://portal.microsoftonline.com/Commerce/CustomizeOrder.aspx?Action=BuyOfferReturn=HomeOfferId=7157-A040-4a9c-80BB-C36A5FAB2FEBdl=DEVELOPERPACKpc=6e2b5b6b-1eb3-474a-8693-28911ed9dbb2ali=1#
Correlation ID:
sea#b08c4e50-c54c-4813-845e-f9b984c781e5
Error code:
0


So I gave up. I did try contacting Microsoft and go exactly nowhere.

I wonder if this is because Telstra host Office365 in Australia? I tried
contacting them too and got the same nothing. I did go in circles a few
times and that didn't help either.

Anyway actually get anywhere with msdn and office365?


On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 7:14 PM, Bill Chesnut (BizTalkBill) 
b...@biztalkbill.com wrote:

  If you need only Visual Studio pro, get the Pro MSDN subscription



 From Microway:  Visual Studio 2013 Professional with 2 Years MSDN
 $1885  inc GST



 then for Office, there are several options:



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 Office 365 Personal - $9 per month for 1 user, includes Word, Excel,
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 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Bec Carter
 *Sent:* Friday, May 30, 2014 2:35 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* [OT] MSDN subscription



 Hi

 I haven't needed one before (work always gave me one) but where should I
 look to get an msdn subscription from? Cheapest obviously. Only need
 windows, full office and visual studio at this stage.



 Cheers

RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor

[Ian Thomas]

The dock for Surface 3 will drive your 4K screen, and there's a gigabit 
Ethernet dongle.
I'm impressed with reports on the pen / OneNote use (but  battery?)

Ian Thomas
Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8

From: Stephen Pricemailto:step...@perthprojects.com
Sent: ‎22/‎05/‎2014 0:37
To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor

h don't encourage me like that!! i'm showing amazing restraint.

except for the surface pro 3. sigh.


On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you need some enabling?

 You should buy one Stephen. Then tell the rest of us how it is for
 coding/etc.


 On 21 May 2014 18:38, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote:

 Yeah I've been looking at that monitor for a week now. Austin Computers
 has them in stock.

 http://www.austin.net.au/shop-categories/monitor/samsung-u28d590d-28-3840-x-2160-widescreen-le.html

 To be honest I'm not even sure why I don't have one now. Delaying the
 impulse buy as long as I can... :)


 On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.comwrote:

 Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are
 released?

 Look pretty awesome..
 http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN

RE: [OT] Laptop to replace macbook

[Ian Thomas]

Which model do you have, Les? I see price range up to $2900 (512Gb SSD).

Ian Thomas
Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8

From: Les Hughesmailto:l...@datarev.com.au
Sent: ‎15/‎05/‎2014 15:46
To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Re: [OT] Laptop to replace macbook

On 15/05/14 16:08, Nathan Chere wrote:

 Look into the 13.3” Asus Zenbook. I don’t generally like devices that
 try to hard to clone others but they do a far better Macbook Air than
 Apple does.

 


+ 1 for Zenbook.

Cheap, nice form factor, lightweight, overall very decent.

--
Les Hughes
l...@datarev.com.au

RE: [OT] TortoiseHG not under root error

[Ian Thomas]

Perhaps you have a file open in a viewer? This was a reported error in 2008 
(Sourceforge), no reported fix I could find.

Ian Thomas
Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Greg Keoghmailto:g...@mira.net
Sent: ‎6/‎03/‎2014 14:11
To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: [OT] TortoiseHG not under root error

If there are any experienced users of TortoiseHG here I'd like to ask them
if they know of this problem and a way to fix it:

Right-clicking a file in the TortoiseHG UI and selecting Add or Forget
popups a dialog telling me: *Filename* not under root *Folder*.

If I use the equivalent context menu from Windows Explorer the commands
work and refreshing the TortoiseHG UI shows me the changes. Web searches
produce no useful information on this problem. I have no idea what started
this, as I haven't run any upgrades or moved folders or done other
suspicious things, the problem just started one morning a couple of weeks
ago. It's driving me barking mad.

Greg K

RE: NBN Petition

[Ian Thomas]

For more information, better in my opinion than you will get in a newspaper, 
check Paul Budde's short report at
http://www.buddeblog.com.au/frompaulsdesk/analysis-of-nbn-2-0/

Ian Thomas
Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Tony Wrightmailto:tonyw...@gmail.com
Sent: ‎19/‎12/‎2013 8:43
To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: Re: NBN Petition

Looks like my brother's calculations have been confirmed independently.
See:
http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/the-1b-difference-between-labors-and-the-new-nbn-and-the-big-catch-20131219-hv659.html

The difference between the two NBNs is $1 billion and time.

So what they are saying is that because they can build it earlier, they are
happy to provide you all with a significantly inferior NBN with an
exceptionally bad upgrade path to save $1 billion in the cost of the build.
Because they can deliver earlier, they claim that they will make more
money, which might be true if more people accept their version of an
internet connection (I'm sceptical, and especially don't see any new
customers magically coming out of the HFC network that wouldn't have
otherwise got a connection anyway.)

To me, this is an absolutely outrageous waste of money. The Liberals have
validated the need for the NBN, and then have decided to spend almost as
much money on their ridiculously bad version of the NBN delivering much
slower speeds. This is not just incompetence. This is crooked.





On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote:

 Hah. My Telstra appointment for day was a fail. I was waiting on site,
 called them to see how long they would be and was told it was postponed
 till tomorrow. No call to let me know!

 They called me a min ago to confirm appointment for tomorrow (2 hrs after
 the window 8-12 of today) and when I asked him about it he just hung up!!
 Guess he figured I wouldn't spend the time on hold to complain.
 Posted on twitter instead.

 Think a phone company would teach their staff how to pick up the phone?
 On Dec 17, 2013 2:05 PM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote:

 Just a word of advice….I have been dealing with Opticomm for the last few
 weeks and wonder if they have any customer service at all?   Its like a
 black hole of requests..ask them a question and you will never get an
 answer….a nightmare of support?  This is what happens when a company
 becomes
 too large!



 Anthony

 Melbourne StuffUps…learn from others, share with others!

 http://www.meetup.com/Melbourne-Ideas-Incubator-Stuffups-Failed-Startups/



 
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 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 ]
 On Behalf Of Tony Wright
 Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2013 9:12 AM
 To: 'ozDotNet'
 Subject: RE: NBN Petition



 Oh, I wasn’t sure what the point of the iiNet invoice was.



 I was more interested in what you were claiming about HFC/cable.



 One issue I have with cable is that the most productive members of the
 community using the Internet, the IT sector, have gradually, over the
 years,
 relocated themselves into high speed internet areas. The only high speed
 internet for the last 20 years has really been cable. So you’ve now got
 the
 people who can be the most economically productive with the internet
 constrained because their internet isn’t going to change. They can no
 longer
 get access to 1Gbps connections. Let’s be frank – from the IT sector’s
 point
 of view, it’s all about how fast we can transfer files around, whether
 they
 are content files, web sites, applications, databases, virtual machines,
 videos, or desktop or server backups, it doesn’t really matter. We just
 want
 them sent, and sent fast, and currently the time taken to do this takes so
 long that we end up copying large files to usb drives and delivering them
 ourselves, if we can’t wait a week for them to transfer.



 Another issue I have with cable is that the highest number of connections
 off a single cable is 32. You share your internet with 32 other customers
 and if they are large consumers of bandwidth, too bad for you – the
 capacity
 is constrained for that 32, and if you don’t like it, nothing is going to
 change it, you’re stuck with it. The alternative, fibre, doesn’t have this
 issue, because fibre is aggregated at the ISP. If there is too much

VCB appears twice

[Ian Thomas]

I use very simple versioning via VCB, along with VisualSVN. But I have a
problem - somehow I have VCB - Versioning Controlled Build - appearing twice
in its separate menu. Should I uninstall and install again, with Visual
Studio 2010 running or not running? I will try the latter.

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

RE: WiX and VS2013 integration

[Ian Thomas]

P.P.S InstallAware looks interesting, but I can't find the free bit, and it
will take off on a tangent.

 

There is a download (full file, or Web Install download) for v17.06 and the
info at top of that page says that all license versions are included. The
Free version (for VS) would be included, I assume). Possibly best to do the
web install, and see if it allows you to just install the VS plug-in? 

Maybe its own installer will be a measure of its usefulness.

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

RE: WiX and VS2013 integration

[Ian Thomas]

Greg

I'm recording this for my own future use, really (a reminder, since I tend
to forget too much). 

At Bob Arnson's blog, you can see some discussion about how Votive /  Wix
versions use the Microsoft Managed Package Framework (MPF) and the serious
amount of work to be done by WiX once the latest version of MPF is released.
No timetable on that release. That post
http://www.joyofsetup.com/2013/09/30/wix-v3-8-todo-list-votive-2013/  is
in the context of what is needed to release a WiX specifically for VS2013. 

A short time later, he suggested
http://www.joyofsetup.com/2013/10/12/wix-v3-8-acceleration/  a more
expedient course, to get an earlier release of WiX toolkit for VS2013 (and
the WiX developers opted for that) - which is what was released a few days
ago. 

Some time ago, I used to follow developments in WiX via Chris Painter's
blog. But he's a professional installer, so there was not much of use to
mere amateurs wanting an easy intro to making installers that required WiX
with a range of custom actions, rather than the simpler setup projects in
Visual Studio. For me, a major advance was when CAs could be authored in
managed code, rather than requiring C++ (but that wouldn't be a problem for
you, given your experience). Since, the more fundamental things like
detecting Windows version, and .NET versions installed on a machine has
crept into MSI as well as WiX. So in some ways it's not so messy now. 

Despite the tutorials, I have always found it difficult to get my head
around how to even plan for a WiX installer project. But that was before WiX
3.x - so I should try again some day. I haven't downloaded v3.7 or v3.8 yet.


  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:03 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: WiX and VS2013 integration

 

Stephen, yes, I installed WiX 3.8 (21-Oct) with my fresh VS2013 and at a
glance it all looks and feels the same. I guess they just upgraded it to
work with VS2013 but I can't see any improvements or new features at all.
You just get a window full of XML and some prayers and off you go -- Greg

 

P.S. I was also reminded of what a stupid self-indulgent incredibly slow
counter-intuitive installer WiX has. It's not a good sign when an
installer's installer is bizarre.

 

P.P.S InstallAware looks interesting, but I can't find the free bit, and it
will take off on a tangent.

 

On 24 October 2013 18:08, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote:

Well, while on this topic, the good news is that I've managed to quite
easily get my work project working with VS2013. It doesn't like the work
proxy so updates and the new Sign In feature don't work. 

 

I did have to make a few changes to get my Wix project running. 

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19448343/how-to-enable-wix-project-in-vis
ual-studio-2013

 

Not yet noticed any new features other than a few more colours in the thing.
Folders are yellow in Solution Explorer. DotCover doesn't yet support this
version but everything else is very very similar to VS2012. And I can still
open/build/run the solution in VS2012 after migration. (it only ads a couple
of lines), so that means I can actually use it (without messing with the
rest of the team!)

 

I suppose I should actually test the output of my Wix installer project,
hey? Its only a small windows service installer so should be fine. :)

 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Greg

In the early days of WiX there were several UI projects (outside of the main
project), but I am not familiar with what has happened recently.

Have you had a look at Oleg Shilo's Wix# project?
http://www.csscript.net/WixSharp.html WixSharp uses C# scripting to
manage' the arcane WiX framework.  

However, it is way behind the WiX releases - it uses WiX v3.0.4318.0
binaries. Conceivably the functionality in that old version of WiX would be
sufficient for many purposes (but I have not tried); because it doesn't
integrate in Visual Studio it may be usable. Mike Smith (meski) may have
some thoughts on this. 

CS-Script targets .NET versions up to 4.5 and I think I'm correct in saying
that Oleg Shilo lives somewhere in eastern Australia. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:43 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: WiX and VS2013 integration

 

Bob Arnson's latest post
http://www.joyofsetup.com/2013/10/22/wix-v3-8-1021-0-completes-visual-studi
o-2013-support/  says it is complete as of now, and his short post has
links to the issues that have been fixed (none of those will add much to
your understanding) . 

 

WiX v3.8.1021.0 completes Visual Studio 2013 support 

22 October 2013 WiX

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet

RE: WiX and VS2013 integration

[Ian Thomas]

My favourite eccentric book of the past few years is Super Sad True Love
Story http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/27/books/27book.html  by Gary
Shteyngart. It’s uncomfortably predictive about not only the USA but our own
society and its obsessive use of “äppäräts” (read: mobile devices with very
extreme connectivity). When I see Gen-Y and younger obsessively absorbed in
their devices to the disregard of anything real and immediate, I’m reminded
of how the fictional characters consult their devices to determine the
f***ability index of the opposite sex, or determine whether they are LNWI
(lower net worth individuals). It’s an apocalyptic vision of the USA as
superpower, and predictive of the (Chinese) Yuan becoming the standard
currency. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Burstin
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 11:33 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: WiX and VS2013 integration

 

 

You can't judge a book by its cover, unless its a book about book covers? 

 

Since it's Friday, I have the book titled A Perfect Vacuum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Perfect_Vacuum  by Stanislaw Lem which is a
book of book reviews of non-existent books. Except the introduction, which
is a real critique of introductions to books of fake reviews.

 

 

Reminds me of If on a Winter's Night a Traveller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_on_a_winter's_night_a_traveler  - a book
about you trying to read the book If on a Winter's Night a Traveller -
which actually started out pretty well but wore thin very quickly. I didn't
finish it (although that is not what the book predicted!).

RE: WiX and VS2013 integration

[Ian Thomas]

Bob Arnson’s latest post 
http://www.joyofsetup.com/2013/10/22/wix-v3-8-1021-0-completes-visual-studio-2013-support/
  says it is complete as of now, and his short post has links to the issues 
that have been fixed (none of those will add much to your understanding) . 

 

WiX v3.8.1021.0 completes Visual Studio 2013 support 

22 October 2013 WiX

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:10 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: WiX and VS2013 integration

 

I finally found a link at 
http://www.joyofsetup.com/2013/09/13/getting-from-here-to-there-for-wix-v3-8/ 
which says that WiX 3.8 with VS2013 integration will be available by Halloween 
(luckily Australians know what Halloween means thanks to The Simpsons). However 
I can't find any other evidence that this might actually happen, getting clear 
announcements on WiX isn't easy. They seem a bit apologetic due to delays 
caused by end of year holidays and Thanksgiving, but since when did holidays 
stop a programmer? (I do my best coding on holidays!)

 

As suggested, I had a quick for other IDEs over WiX, but they seem commercial 
or lagging behind. In any case I don't want yet another IDE.

 

They claim V3.8 will have improved Votive 
http://wixtoolset.org/documentation/manual/v3/votive/ , which a search 
reveals to be the VS2013 integration (I think, even that's vague). In VS2012 
the integration of the project template, properties and build were very nice, 
however the only way to edit the wizard generated WiX source files was as plain 
xml. I wonder if there will be some kind of designer over the raw source, which 
is what WiX desperately needs. I know that creating a full designer experience 
over the complex WiX source files would be a huge job, but it's not beyond 
their developer community I would think.

 

Greg K

RE: WiX and VS2013 integration

[Ian Thomas]

Greg

In the early days of WiX there were several UI projects (outside of the main 
project), but I am not familiar with what has happened recently.

Have you had a look at Oleg Shilo’s Wix# project?  
http://www.csscript.net/WixSharp.html WixSharp uses C# scripting to manage’ 
the arcane WiX framework.  

However, it is way behind the WiX releases – it uses WiX v3.0.4318.0 binaries. 
Conceivably the functionality in that old version of WiX would be sufficient 
for many purposes (but I have not tried); because it doesn’t integrate in 
Visual Studio it may be usable. Mike Smith (meski) may have some thoughts on 
this. 

CS-Script targets .NET versions up to 4.5 and I think I’m correct in saying 
that Oleg Shilo lives somewhere in eastern Australia. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:43 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: WiX and VS2013 integration

 

Bob Arnson’s latest post 
http://www.joyofsetup.com/2013/10/22/wix-v3-8-1021-0-completes-visual-studio-2013-support/
  says it is complete as of now, and his short post has links to the issues 
that have been fixed (none of those will add much to your understanding) . 

 

WiX v3.8.1021.0 completes Visual Studio 2013 support 

22 October 2013 WiX

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:10 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: WiX and VS2013 integration

 

I finally found a link at 
http://www.joyofsetup.com/2013/09/13/getting-from-here-to-there-for-wix-v3-8/ 
which says that WiX 3.8 with VS2013 integration will be available by Halloween 
(luckily Australians know what Halloween means thanks to The Simpsons). However 
I can't find any other evidence that this might actually happen, getting clear 
announcements on WiX isn't easy. They seem a bit apologetic due to delays 
caused by end of year holidays and Thanksgiving, but since when did holidays 
stop a programmer? (I do my best coding on holidays!)

 

As suggested, I had a quick for other IDEs over WiX, but they seem commercial 
or lagging behind. In any case I don't want yet another IDE.

 

They claim V3.8 will have improved Votive 
http://wixtoolset.org/documentation/manual/v3/votive/ , which a search 
reveals to be the VS2013 integration (I think, even that's vague). In VS2012 
the integration of the project template, properties and build were very nice, 
however the only way to edit the wizard generated WiX source files was as plain 
xml. I wonder if there will be some kind of designer over the raw source, which 
is what WiX desperately needs. I know that creating a full designer experience 
over the complex WiX source files would be a huge job, but it's not beyond 
their developer community I would think.

 

Greg K

RE: Visual Studio 2013 and setup projects

[Ian Thomas]

There are certainly a lot of rude comments about Flexera and Microsoft's
disregard for developers requiring install software. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:41 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Visual Studio 2013 and setup projects

 

Anything beyond that, like getting it to install dependencies, or even
getting support you'll either be scraping together some coin to pay to
Flexera for a real version or migrating to Wix.

 

Judging by the What's new in VS2013
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2013/08/15/what-s-new-in-visua
l-studio-2013-and-installshield-limited-edition.aspx  page it looks like
it's going from under-featured to slightly less so. I'm not going to bother
installing it, unless I'm bored -- Greg

RE: Visual Studio 2013 and setup projects

[Ian Thomas]

Stephen – funny how some people can’t tell when you’re joking. (Katherine?)

 

Perhaps the demise of .NET is as wrong as the common rumour mill predicting
the sinking fortunes of Microsoft? 

 

The Business Insider website report borrows from another (Longboard) which
predicted
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/presentation-why-teslas-the-next-apple-20
13-4#forget-the-bears--tesla-will-be-trading-at-200share-in-5-years-1
earlier this year that Tesla - the electric vehicle manufacturer ’s  stock
price would reach $200 (it was then around $US55, now
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TSLA  $US170) and that it would become
“the new Apple”. Longboard was not so far off – and the stock reached
$US194, rising from $US27 in 12 months.

 

ASSET MANAGER: In Five Years Microsoft Will Be The Market's Most Valuable
Company

[link
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/longboard-microsoft-slide-deck-2013-10 ]

 

Microsoft makes quite a bit of money each quarter. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:42 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Visual Studio 2013 and setup projects

 

I was joking. Or was I? How fast did Silverlight shrivel up and die? You
could almost wonder if it was murdered, rather than died. Dying, one could
argue is the slow natural decay of something. Murder is sudden and
pre-planned. 

Sorry it's not even Friday yet and I did not use a smiley. 

 

Regarding installers, considering most .Net apps can be deployed via xcopy,
why is it so hard to create an installer project, I wonder? 

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Katherine Moss katherine.m...@gordon.edu
wrote:

Okay, two things.  How can .NET be dead if we still have ASP.net web sites
being built daily?  And secondly, you’re grandly missing something.  You
forget that WiX is open source, and that there are nice editors for it right
there on CodePlex and source forge.  Try WixEdit or ISWiX.  They don’t have
all of the eatures, though both are open source, so all of the developers
here could take time to less-complicate things a bit in their spare time if
they felt like it.  I’d definitely do it if I had more time and if my
development in C# and others was stronger.  

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 8:34 AM


To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Visual Studio 2013 and setup projects

 

It's simple. .Net is dead. 

 

Long live the web!

 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

There are certainly a lot of rude comments about Flexera and Microsoft’s
disregard for developers requiring install software. 

 

Indeed! I found a fair swag of angry comments from irritable and frustrated
people and journals during searches later in the day. I ran haphazard
searches for various relevant keywords and it's quite clear that something
went weirdly askew with setup projects after VS2010. You just can't get a
straight answer anywhere about why things changed in the way they did, or
where things are going. Even the official pronouncements are all shallow
and evasive. I'm an MSDN subscriber who tries to keep up with tech gossip in
my spare time, and even I didn't realise the vdproj was dropped last year
and here I am wondering where the hell it's all going now, and no one seems
to know.

 

I even tried to find a clear description of the features (or limitations) of
InstallShield Limited Edition without luck. All you can find in searches are
pages of marketing bullshït telling you why you should upgrade to
Professional, Ultimate or Cosmic editions.

 

I'll ask in the Wix forum what the truth is about VS2013 integration with
their releases and let you know if I find anything useful.

 

Greg K

 

 

RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

[Ian Thomas]

Mark - I think Explorer is slightly different* than what we can do in .NET
with purely managed code, but what you have described is corroborated by
what I noticed a few days ago (posted here): the deleted files cannot be
seen as a standard user, but on logging on as a user with full
administration rights you will see the files in the Recycle Bin (those files
that have been deleted previously from C:\ root, as a standard user). Which
user's Recycle Bins are visible to Admin? 

I believe that Vista and later will have this behaviour. 

* maybe not - Windows Shell is supposed to run as standard user, too. 

And I also believe that you should be able to get the same result by using
either the .NET code I posted, or by using Windows Explorer. 

The only remedy I can see (to my problem, which is to be able to delete and
to perhaps recover, files that reside in the root directory) would be to
elevate permissions temporarily for the delete operation; or perhaps for my
purposes,  just to remove the files to the  user's VirtualStore folder, from
where it could be reclaimed if necessary. 

In this blog post
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/archive/b/developers/archive/2009/08/04/us
er-account-control-data-redirection.aspx  (no diagrams, but see a link
within the blog to a longer MSDN article) there are Steps to Determine the
Most Appropriate Solution. At test #2, I did not see the test file from C:\
root appearing in VirtualStore, but actually in the Recycle Bin - so I
judged that article interesting but not applicable - and moved on to
investigating whether it would be worth the trouble to elevate permissions
(itself an interesting exercise). 

Elevating permission or impersonating admin user is probably not necessary
for my purpose, though. 

However, I'm puzzled by some common commercial software that will allow
writing to user's desktop and any sub-folders (as expected), but will not
allow the same user to write to (save files to) sub-folders under C:\ root
though those sub-folders can be written to by other programs (eg, anything I
write myself, or Explorer etc). 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Hurd
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:33 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

 

I spent five minutes confirming what happens in Vista if a normal user
attempts to delete a file in C:\ that they've been given permission to write
to. (I didn't want to adjust C:\'s rights to actually allow them to add and
delete files themselves.)

 

It does require elevation (of course) and I then couldn't see the file in
the Recycle Bin. (I attempted to open Explorer as Administrator to confirm
if I could see it then, but I don't think I really succeeded.)

 

However it was returned when I used Explorer's Undo feature, so it was
stored somewhere :-)

 

-- 
Regards,
Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.) 

RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

[Ian Thomas]

Ken - No, the user doesn't have permission. As described by me in one or
other post, it is necessary to go through the UAC business. That souldn't
affect anything. 

I'm not sure about the inability to restore the file might dictate whether
the file goes into the recycle bin or not - why would that be so? And can
it be averted? 

 

But - relating to the SHFileOperation test code in C#, not the use of
Microsoft.VisualBasic assembly in either Vb.NET and C#, because I have tried
both ways - I have just this minute found at SO
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2342628/deleting-file-to-recycle-bin-on-
windows-x64-in-c-sharp/2342776#2342776  that for 64-bit Windows 7, it is
necessary to omit the Pack=1 in this struct - 

 [StructLayout(LayoutKind.Sequential, CharSet = CharSet.Auto, Pack = 1)]

- else it fails. I'm on Win7, 64-bit but compiling for x86 but I am not sure
if that would avert the problem that is described at StackOverflow. That
article at SO is not really helpful to me, as it doesn't tell if any
respondents are deleting from the root directory. 

It's rather confusing to me. 

 

Also, (off track) I can't see the need for FileSystemProxy class when there
is a FileSystem class (both in Microsoft.VisualBasic) - but I will chase
that up another day. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 1:25 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

 

Does the user actually have permission to restore the item to the root of
c:\?

 

I tested on my Win8 machine, and the user is prompted with a UAC prompt.
Maybe the inability to restore the file might dictate whether the file goes
into the recycle bin or not?

 

Cheers

Ken 

 

RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

[Ian Thomas]

Maybe as Ken Schaefer suggested, my problem does directly relate to the
inability to restore the file after being deleted from the root directory,
by a standard user (one the user doesn't have UAC permission there). 

It is necessary for me to go through the UAC business, both as standard user
employing the File Explorer to delete my test file C:\test.txt, and in any
of my code tests to do the same. 

So, as Ken suggested, that might dictate whether the file goes into the
recycle bin or not. 

 

OK - taking just 2 minutes, switching user to Admin and deleting a file
C:\test.txt still raises the UAC dialogue, but no password is required; and
looking in the Recycle Bin, I see multiple test.txt files that have been put
there over the past few hours = whenever I have tackled this little issue. 

As a standard user, those files were/are invisible to me. 

So - is the solution to my little dilemma to elevate the UAC rights just for
the case where files reside in such a location? Is that the only solution?  

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:25 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

 

Ken - No, the user doesn't have permission. As described by me in one or
other post, it is necessary to go through the UAC business. That souldn't
affect anything. 

I'm not sure about the inability to restore the file might dictate whether
the file goes into the recycle bin or not - why would that be so? And can
it be averted? 

Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

[Ian Thomas]

This is situation is for a standard user on Windows 7. There is no such
problem on pre-Vista Windows versions - and I assume the Windows 8 behaviour
is similar to that on Windows 7.

I want to use the Microsoft.VisualBasic assembly's FileSystem.Delete method
universally, but can't work out how to get around the problem that the
RecycleOption.SendToRecycleBin parameter is overridden once permission is
given by the user to delete the file, when that file is in a restricted
location like the root directory. 

 

My.Computer.FileSystem.DeleteFile(TestFilePath,

  FileIO.UIOption.AllDialogs,

  FileIO.RecycleOption.SendToRecycleBin,

  FileIO.UICancelOption.ThrowException)

If TestFilePath is C:\test.file then the usual security dialog occurs, and
on continuing  giving permission the file is deleted - but permanently. 

On the otherhand, in a location like the user's desktop
 (Environment.GetFolderPath(Environment.SpecialFolder.Desktop) 
\Test.txt)

it does get deleted to the recycle bin. 

How can I have the files always go to the recycle bin (assuming the user
gives permission, as required)? 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

[Ian Thomas]

David

Re FileIOPermissions - yes, I quickly realised that it is not relevant. 

On FileSystem.DeleteFile, I think the appearance of the documentation for
different .NET versions led me to think there was change. I don't see
difference in behaviour for 3.5/4.0/4.5. 

All of the above is not really helpful to me - it doesn't allow me to
progress (well, it does mean that I don't go off on a tangent).

But I am still unable to remedy my problem. Do you have an answer, and
explanation? 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 3:06 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

 

FileIOPermission has nothing to do with the problem you are hitting; it
refers to CAS-permissions which is a .NET only concept, and is used in
partial trust environments such as Hosted ASP.NET.

 

There have been zero changes in this area for .NET 4.5, are you saying you
are seeing a behavior change? These APIs delegate onto the underlying shell
implementation; so most the behavior here would be inherited from the OS
itself.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:31 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

 

Greg

I will read your link, but just now I saw at the base of the
FileSystem.Delete info, a link to the FileIOPermission Class. First, I need
to unravel the digfferences between .NET 4.5 and all the earlier releases; I
can see major changes. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:25 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

 

Ian, years ago I remember seeing a QA about how to NOT send things into the
recycle bin, and I vaguely recall it required a Win32 API call probably in
shell32. If you can find that call and reverse the flag it might do what you
want.

 

Wait, it might be
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb762164(v=vs.85).as
px, but I'm not certain.

 

Greg

 

On 17 October 2013 20:16, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

This is situation is for a standard user on Windows 7. There is no such
problem on pre-Vista Windows versions - and I assume the Windows 8 behaviour
is similar to that on Windows 7.

I want to use the Microsoft.VisualBasic assembly's FileSystem.Delete method
universally, but can't work out how to get around the problem that the
RecycleOption.SendToRecycleBin parameter is overridden once permission is
given by the user to delete the file, when that file is in a restricted
location like the root directory. 

 

My.Computer.FileSystem.DeleteFile(TestFilePath,

  FileIO.UIOption.AllDialogs,

  FileIO.RecycleOption.SendToRecycleBin,

  FileIO.UICancelOption.ThrowException)

If TestFilePath is C:\test.file then the usual security dialog occurs, and
on continuing  giving permission the file is deleted - but permanently. 

On the otherhand, in a location like the user's desktop
 (Environment.GetFolderPath(Environment.SpecialFolder.Desktop) 
\Test.txt)

it does get deleted to the recycle bin. 

How can I have the files always go to the recycle bin (assuming the user
gives permission, as required)? 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

[Ian Thomas]

Greg

SHFileOperation has a lot of detail (I had a brief look yesterday, your
link). I was looking for a pure .NET method, rather than interop - but will
go with what is needed of course. 

There is a CodeProject tip
http://www.codeproject.com/Tips/462878/How-to-Delete-a-File-or-Folder-to-Re
cyclebin  that may be helpful, though at the end of it he gives esentially
the same code (using the Microsoft.VisualBasic namespace) that I had in my
original post!

 

Comments to that article put a lot of doubt in my mind - the MSDN
documentation on the FOF_ALLOWUNDO constant in particular. 

 

Code straight from that article - 

 

[StructLayout(LayoutKind.Sequential, CharSet = CharSet.Auto, Pack = 1)]

public struct SHFILEOPSTRUCT

{

public IntPtr hwnd;

[MarshalAs(UnmanagedType.U4)]

public int wFunc;

public string pFrom;

public string pTo;

public short fFlags;

[MarshalAs(UnmanagedType.Bool)]

public bool fAnyOperationsAborted;

public IntPtr hNameMappings;

public string lpszProgressTitle;

}

 

[DllImport(shell32.dll, CharSet = CharSet.Auto)]

public static extern int SHFileOperation(ref SHFILEOPSTRUCT FileOp);

 

public const int FO_DELETE = 3;

public const int FOF_ALLOWUNDO = 0x40;

public const int FOF_NOCONFIRMATION = 0x10;

 

Then

 

var shf = new SHFILEOPSTRUCT();

shf.wFunc = FO_DELETE;   //Delete the files specified in
pFrom.

shf.fFlags = FOF_ALLOWUNDO;  //Preserve undo information, if
possible. 

shf.pFrom = @c:\myfile.txt + '\0' + '\0';  //File / Folder to delete

SHFileOperation(ref shf);

 

Doesn't work for me (deletes file after permssion granted; file not seen in
Recycle bin) - so, no furher progressed. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 7:51 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

 

Ian, I saw some people interop calling the SHFileOperation function with a
SHFILEOPTSTRUCT argument. They weren't doing what you are, but this function
seems to give you total control over what happens. Maybe the fine print on
the function and struct and all the weird flag bits might explain the
behaviour you're seeing -- Greg

 

On 18 October 2013 10:14, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

David

Re FileIOPermissions - yes, I quickly realised that it is not relevant. 

On FileSystem.DeleteFile, I think the appearance of the documentation for
different .NET versions led me to think there was change. I don't see
difference in behaviour for 3.5/4.0/4.5. 

All of the above is not really helpful to me - it doesn't allow me to
progress (well, it does mean that I don't go off on a tangent).

But I am still unable to remedy my problem. Do you have an answer, and
explanation? 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 3:06 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

 

FileIOPermission has nothing to do with the problem you are hitting; it
refers to CAS-permissions which is a .NET only concept, and is used in
partial trust environments such as Hosted ASP.NET.

 

There have been zero changes in this area for .NET 4.5, are you saying you
are seeing a behavior change? These APIs delegate onto the underlying shell
implementation; so most the behavior here would be inherited from the OS
itself.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 5:31 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

 

Greg

I will read your link, but just now I saw at the base of the
FileSystem.Delete info, a link to the FileIOPermission Class. First, I need
to unravel the digfferences between .NET 4.5 and all the earlier releases; I
can see major changes. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:25 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Problem with FileSystem.DeleteFile method in root directory

 

Ian, years ago I remember seeing a QA about how to NOT send things into the
recycle bin, and I vaguely recall it required a Win32 API call probably in
shell32. If you can find that call and reverse the flag it might do what you
want.

 

Wait, it might be
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb762164(v=vs.85).as
px, but I'm not certain.

 

Greg

 

On 17 October 2013 20:16, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

This is situation is for a standard user on Windows 7. There is no such
problem on pre-Vista Windows versions - and I assume the Windows 8 behaviour
is similar

OAIC releases privacy guide for mobile app developers

[Ian Thomas]

This may be useful for some people - 

The Office of the Australian Information Commissioner (OACI) has unveiled a
guide designed to help mobile app developers embed better privacy practices
into their products. 

The guide, Mobile privacy: A better practice guide for mobile app
developers, recommends that developers use short privacy notices rather than
lengthy policies which are hard to read on a small screen.

more

Link
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/print/527806/oaic_releases_privacy_
guide_mobile_app_developers/  to a Computer World news item

Link
http://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/privacy-resources/privacy-guides/guide-for-m
obile-app-developers  to the report / guidelines from OAIC

 

Whether the guide itself is just common sense, or has some pearls of wisdom
for us, the issue of privacy for mobile apps is certain to be of greater
concern in future. Even now, the OACI's survey found that 6 in 10
Australians chose not to use certain smartphone apps because of concerns
about the way their personal information would be used.

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

RE: OAIC releases privacy guide for mobile app developers

[Ian Thomas]

People say one thing, but do another. I was suspicious of the great caution
and sensibility of these sample respondents! 

Nevertheless, the actual guide (on privacy notices for mobile applications -
apps) is worth the read, I think. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Preet Sangha
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 11:45 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: OAIC releases privacy guide for mobile app developers

 

Doh. I did indeed :-)

 

On 1 October 2013 16:39, ben.robb...@jlta.com.au wrote:

I believe you misread this. The quote below was with respect to deciding
whether or not to install an app, not whether or not they had a mobile
phone.

 

.6 in 10 Australians chose not to use certain smartphone apps because.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Preet Sangha
Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2013 11:34 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: OAIC releases privacy guide for mobile app developers

 

6/10? I'd love to see the sample set.  I suspect if you had truly general
sample set it would more likely be that they didn't have a smartphone
because:

 

a. They cost lots

b. They don't need them

 

(however true or untrue those ideas may be)

 

On 1 October 2013 15:02, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

This may be useful for some people - 

The Office of the Australian Information Commissioner (OACI) has unveiled a
guide designed to help mobile app developers embed better privacy practices
into their products. 

The guide, Mobile privacy: A better practice guide for mobile app
developers, recommends that developers use short privacy notices rather than
lengthy policies which are hard to read on a small screen.

more

Link
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/print/527806/oaic_releases_privacy_
guide_mobile_app_developers/  to a Computer World news item

Link
http://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy/privacy-resources/privacy-guides/guide-for-m
obile-app-developers  to the report / guidelines from OAIC

 

Whether the guide itself is just common sense, or has some pearls of wisdom
for us, the issue of privacy for mobile apps is certain to be of greater
concern in future. Even now, the OACI's survey found that 6 in 10
Australians chose not to use certain smartphone apps because of concerns
about the way their personal information would be used.

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia





 

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RE: Mark II

[Ian Thomas]

Nathan Chere: On a related note, I’ve been focusing on getting up to date again 
with web UI and  funnily enough IE seems to support standards better than 
Chrome without requiring vendor-specific prefixes. Plus the developer tools are 
surprisingly good.

 

Wot I sed

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nathan Chere
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:06 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Mark II

 

“they can’t even get IE to conform to the HTML standard..when I develop web 
apps….IE is always where the problems occur”

 

On a related note, I’ve been focusing on getting up to date again with web UI 
and  funnily enough IE seems to support standards better than Chrome without 
requiring vendor-specific prefixes. Plus the developer tools are surprisingly 
good.

 

Haters gonna hate and all that, but it looks like they’re finally getting IE 
right.

 

RE: Mark II

[Ian Thomas]

That’s the usual cynical review, but it did add a few things I didn’t know 
about the docking station, the ability to run 2 screens, extra USB ports (on 
the Pro2, one of them is USB 1.0 – really?), and the Power Cover is also usable 
on the Surface Mark I.

 

The review leaves out extra RAM, card slot, cameras, size of the SSD, and some 
other minor details, in favour of emphasising that the Windows Store lags far 
behind the Apple and Google counterparts, with only 100K apps. Do a need a 
choice of a million or more?  I reckon if I could get 50 good applications I 
would be quite happy. 

 

Also, iirc one was to be 5-point touch, the other 10-point; one has USB 2.0 the 
other USB 3.0 – I guess I need to search for some more complete information. 
Isn’t there a mini DisplayPort or HDMI? 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:29 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Mark II

 

But will it be any better?

 

http://www.gizmag.com/microsoft-surface-2-announcement/29147/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers
 
http://www.gizmag.com/microsoft-surface-2-announcement/29147/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribersutm_campaign=f7e5da2030-UA-2235360-4utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_65b67362bd-f7e5da2030-90318010
 
utm_campaign=f7e5da2030-UA-2235360-4utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_65b67362bd-f7e5da2030-90318010

 

SSDD


 

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RE: Mark II

[Ian Thomas]

Anthony, I may be misinformed but I thought the problem with IE9,10,11 as a 
browser was more that it/they do conform with HTML standards – and most 
websites do not. 

Maybe Chrome is more conformant, but (my reading: please disillusion me if it 
is wrong)  IE is probably better than all the other browsers available on all 
platforms. 

 

That’s a side issue, of course. Microsoft marketing is a mystery to me, so I 
won’t comment. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:41 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Mark II

 

I wonder who is doing all the research for the Surface Pro Marketing… a giant 
that can’t find its home any more!   I believe Microsoft needs to something 
quickly if it wants to stay a giant player ..except for business, devs etc no 
needs to buy  MS software anymore..everything is going web and Microsoft 
appears to be very bad in this area..they can’t even get IE to conform to the 
HTML standard..when I develop web apps….IE is always where the problems occur.

 

Initially MS ensured their IE had different HTML features so that we all 
developed to IE(as was normal) but now this has  ‘back fired’ on them!

 

Anthony

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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nathan Chere
Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013 3:23 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Mark II

 

… except that their phone/tablet strategy and all the failings that go with 
their metro/Windows Store/whatever-they-decide-to-call-it-tomorrow vision are 
leaking fail all over the desktop, and the “free 8.1 update” (ie Windows 8 SP1, 
except they can’t call a spade a spade after making such a big deal about no 
more service packs) has done near enough to nothing to alleviate it.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013 3:16 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Mark II

 

The issue I have with that position is that the Surface Pro isn’t limited to 
the Windows Store, and since there are plenty of non-store apps (e.g. Office) 
that can be run on a Surface Pro, the proposition is more than just Windows 
Store.

 

Surface RT, on the other hand…

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nathan Chere
Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013 2:40 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Mark II

 

The crux of what I’m talking about boils down to Windows Store, so both.

 

From:  mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ 
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013 2:37 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Mark II

 

Are you talking about the Surface RT? Or the Surface Pro? They’re two different 
products.

 

Cheers
Ken

 

From:  mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ 
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Nathan Chere
Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013 2:34 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Mark II

 

I reckon Microsoft would be happy if they could get 50 good applications too.

 

Even then, it’s not enough to have “good” apps. They need exclusive apps… and 
really, if you have an idea even remotely worth doing something with, why in 
your right mind would you choose Windows Store of all places to make it 
exclusive to?

 

… which ultimately means apps aren’t enough. The platform is a failure. With 
the Surface they chose to consolidate Windows (desktop) and Windows Mobile 
while ignoring virtually all of the key strengths of the products they were 
bastardising (especially with RT). They’ve limited their niche to the kind of 
people who want to do more than they can with the currently popular idea of a 
‘tablet’ but don’t want the power and versatility of a full-blown laptop. 

 

Had they gone down the road of Windows Mobile 7 with an optional but default 
app store instead of the almost complete re-imagining which was Windows

RE: [OT]Virtual File

[Ian Thomas]

Today's newsletter from Red Gate Software (Simple Talk, Reflector
Newsletter) has a useful compilation of information for ASP.NET including 

Free eBook: 25 Secrets for Faster ASP.NET Applications

Attribute Routing in Web API v2

ASP.NET MVC Routing - What Intercepting File Requests Teaches Us About
Routing

(more)

read it online http://www.simple-talk.com/newsletter/v.aspx?n=950  

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 10:55 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: [OT]Virtual File

 

Is it possible to redirect a webservice.asmx file to another location

 

I have a iphone app that point to http://www.hello.com/webservice.asmx   but
it should be pointing to http://ws.hello.com/webservice.asmx  is this
possible without need to update the iphone application?

 

Anthony

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RE: Expression Web

[Ian Thomas]

Ok, I have now installed VS2012 Update 3 and the various extensions, NuGet
packages. (I still prefer VS2010, obviously)

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 1:58 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Expression Web

 

VS 2012 Update 2 adds RTM support for WPF + SL.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:42 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Expression Web

 

I've not heard anything that indicates yes, the true marker for this will be
Nov when VS2013 RTW's (if that date is even still current) if after that its
not released then doubtful it will leave that state.




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Is the Blend jumble still in a state of flux? At this page
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/expression  the following points to a link
that is not available today - 

 

Additionally a Preview version of Blend for Visual Studio 2012
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=261803  that supports Silverlight
and WPF editing, as well as SketchFlow is available.

 

I know the Preview has been available for 9 or 10 months. Is it about to be
released at MSDN? 


  _  


Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

RE: Expression Web

[Ian Thomas]

Is the Blend jumble still in a state of flux? At this page
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/expression  the following points to a link
that is not available today - 

 

Additionally a Preview version of Blend for Visual Studio 2012
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=261803  that supports Silverlight
and WPF editing, as well as SketchFlow is available.

 

I know the Preview has been available for 9 or 10 months. Is it about to be
released at MSDN? 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

[OT] Surface Pro 2

[Ian Thomas]

Surface Pro 2 ready to go with an adjustable kickstand and improved battery
life

Basically the original Surface Pro is an ultrabook with optional keyboard.
Now it's getting more RAM, and the (Intel) Haswell chips, so performance and
battery life should be greatly improved. The Verge
http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/4/4694838/surface-pro-2-adjustable-kickstand
-haswell-better-battery-life 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

RE: [OT] Surface Pro 2

[Ian Thomas]

Yes, it does seem a Surface-killer - more options (storage, RAM), enough
ports. We await pricing. 

I was impressed by recently-announced Lenovo T440 and T240 series
ultrabooks. 2 batteries, up to 17 hours - a sensible counter to tablets. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 3:23 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: [OT] Surface Pro 2 

 

There's also this just-announced competitor from Sony:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/04/sony-vaio-tap-11-hands-on/

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2013 5:14 PM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: [OT] Surface Pro 2 

 

Surface Pro 2 ready to go with an adjustable kickstand and improved battery
life

Basically the original Surface Pro is an ultrabook with optional keyboard.
Now it's getting more RAM, and the (Intel) Haswell chips, so performance and
battery life should be greatly improved. The Verge
http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/4/4694838/surface-pro-2-adjustable-kickstand
-haswell-better-battery-life 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

[OT] Coalition to filter internet, smartphones

[Ian Thomas]

Coalition to filter internet, smartphones

http://cdn.i.haymarket.net.au/Utils/ImageResizer.ashx?n=http%3a%2f%2fi.hayma
rket.net.au%2ffeatures%2fry-crozier.jpgh=40w=40c=1

By  http://www.itnews.com.au/Author/149259,ry-crozier.aspx Ry Crozier on
Sep 5, 2013 4:30 PM (2 hours ago) 

 

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/355885,coalition-to-filter-internet-smartphone
s.aspx 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

image001.jpg

RE: [OT] Coalition to filter internet, smartphones

[Ian Thomas]

Turnbull no retracts that [one
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-05/no-internet-filter-says-turnbull/4939
156  of many links]


Malcolm Turnbull says Coalition will not introduce internet filter


Updated 20 minutes ago

 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-09/government-abandons-plans-for-interne
t-filter/4362354 Related Story: Government abandons plans for internet
filter

 http://maps.google.com/?q=-26.000,134.500(Australia)z=5 Map: Australia 

The Coalition is backtracking after it earlier released a document that
suggested it would enforce an opt-out internet filter if it won the
election.

The document said a Coalition government would force mobile phone operators
and internet service providers (ISPs) to install filtering services to block
adult content.

However, the Opposition's communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull has
since released a statement saying that the policy document was poorly
worded.

The Coalition has never supported mandatory internet filtering. Indeed, we
have a long record of opposing it, the statement said.

The policy which was issued today was poorly worded and incorrectly
indicated that the Coalition supported an opt out system of internet
filtering for both mobile and fixed line services. That is not our policy
and never has been.

Yeh..

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 5:23 PM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: [OT] Coalition to filter internet, smartphones

 

Coalition to filter internet, smartphones

http://cdn.i.haymarket.net.au/Utils/ImageResizer.ashx?n=http%3a%2f%2fi.hayma
rket.net.au%2ffeatures%2fry-crozier.jpgh=40w=40c=1

By  http://www.itnews.com.au/Author/149259,ry-crozier.aspx Ry Crozier on
Sep 5, 2013 4:30 PM (2 hours ago) 

 

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/355885,coalition-to-filter-internet-smartphone
s.aspx 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

image001.jpg

RE: [OT] NBN revisited

[Ian Thomas]

I can point you to “case histories” (not provided by NBNCo) where Sydney 
businesses have moved to the country, in the last 18 months, where fibre trunk 
was available and they could spur off that to run their businesses. When you 
compare quality of life, travel time, available staff then (for those 
businesses) it made sense, and they’re doing very nicely. 

Not exactly chicken / egg – a little bit of lateral thinking added. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:27 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited

 

On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.com wrote:

And that’s the real issue. If it’s all about just providing some level of 
service to people that have no real options today, they we need to just say 
that, accept that it’s a nation-building public service for the bush and be 
prepared to wear really major costs in providing it.

 

But I keep seeing adverts (that I presume I’m paying for), that tell me how 
important it is for letting businesses be competitive, and how businesses are 
needing higher and higher speeds. Almost none of the businesses that they are 
describing are in such areas. They are in areas with some existing coverage or 
they wouldn’t exist.

 

Chicken, meet egg.

Egg, meet chicken.

 

(my tangential way of saying they can't exist before the infrastructure exists, 
and trying for a CBA omits that)

 

When I do work from home, I'm able to hit the data rate I've got easily  - I 
could use more.  And that's the fastest VDSL2 that's available.

 

From that BT post - yes, they don't get that the world is no longer 
asymmetric, if it ever was. 

 

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 tel:%281300%20775%20775 ) office | +61 419201410 
tel:%2B61%20419201410  mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913  
fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:28 PM


To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] NBN revisited

 

Isn't that really the point of the NBN?  To try to make internet access more 
available?  I have no problem with people in the middle of nowhere getting it 
first because they have few options.  I might complain about being stuck with 
optus but I still get 20Mb/s down and I think 0.25 up.  I know people in outer 
suburbs that just can't get it at all.  I'm not talking rural.  Sure it means I 
don't get my FTTH in the foreseeable future but it is the fair option.

 

The fibre part of this whole argument is, strictly speaking, secondary.  Making 
internet access available to all for a reasonable cost is more important.  On 
that note, charging $5000 to get that access isn't really the same thing.  For 
many, you may as well say they can't have it.




David

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes 
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

 

On 4 September 2013 15:13, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.com wrote:

But what’s the alternative Bill? Wait for the NBN? 

 

We’re not even on the “we’ll think about starting within 3 years” map. And all 
they keep doing with the current targets is downgrading them. So what chance do 
we have of seeing it in anything like a reasonable timeframe?

 

I’m in an area where they’d make a lot of money by rolling it out. So by their 
logic, we can’t have it. If, however, I lived out the back of Ballarat, no 
problems.

 

As I said, conceptually I love the idea. I just can’t see it actually being 
delivered.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775 tel:%281300%20775%20775 ) office | +61 419201410 
tel:%2B61%20419201410  mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913  
fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2013 3:06 PM


To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] NBN revisited

 

I wouldn’t count on that running that smoothly. It will take time to get that 
many “fridges” installed everywhere: thinking it can all be done in three years 
sounds incredibly hopeful to me. But even once that is done, then the fibre has 
to be physically installed down the road/streets. If that is done on an ad-hoc, 
one house here, one house there, not only is it terribly unproductive, but you 
can expect a whole lot of council backlash against the interruption to 
pedestrian and vehicle traffic etc, etc. Seriously, you should try to get 
Telstra to run you some cable today and see what the costs are and how long it 
takes: 

 

Only $5K from the exchange to your house: dreaming ;)

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun

RE: [OT] Nokia sells smartphone business to Microsoft

[Ian Thomas]

Yes, I think it has the potential to be a good deal for all concerned (though 
some Finnish IT journalists have a contrary view, and appear a little bitter 
and twisted – eg, this one 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/terokuittinen/2013/09/02/nokia-sells-handset-business-to-microsoft-at-a-shockingly-low-price/
  from Forbes magazine). 

With that arrangement in the wind, don’t you think it would have been a great 
opportunity to give a Nokia Lumia 920 for all Australian TechEd participants? 
(cheap, at $350 from Kogan and others)

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of osjasonrobe...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 4:23 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Nokia sells smartphone business to Microsoft

 

It’s pretty amazing that 32,000 people will transfer from Nokia to Microsoft... 
Could be a great cross-pollination of ideas, marketing skills, etc.

 

Wonder whether there will just be Microsoft Phone or whether they’ll keep (or 
be allowed to keep) the Lumia brand?

 

Jason Roberts
Journeyman Software Developer

Twitter: @robertsjason
Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com
Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts

 

From: Scott Barnes
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎3‎ ‎September‎ ‎2013 ‎3‎:‎14‎ ‎PM
To: ozDotNet

 

Jaded? i'm more of that kid who finishes his meal and thinks damn it.. i'm 
still hungry... might go ask for some more..

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lEDDsBKSxU

 

Stephen you're just one of those kids at the table that's going he should be 
grateful for this dang gruel... gruel be fine food damnz it be is.. 

 

That or that old woman yelling you boy, back to your place :)




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote:

No, I said it. You added your own meaning. :)

On 03/09/2013 2:02 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

You say that like it's a bad thing.

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote:

You sir, are burnt and jaded. Damaged even. 

 

:)

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote:

bwhahahah .. that ..nicely done...

 

Now lets set our watches for:

 

- Elop to make his move to CEO`ness

- Nokia Global marketing team (who have actual marketing talent) to be shut 
down and replaced by Barney  Friends style marketing ..

- New Lumia Microsoft Windows Professional 920.1 Release to Everyone but 
developers...

 

:D

 




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Announced yesterday. It will be all over the Australian ICT press in a couple 
of days L

 


  _  


Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 





 

-- 
Meski


  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

 

RE: NBN runs past my home - will Abbott charge me $4000 to connect it?

[Ian Thomas]

mike smith
But you are in the current FTTH rollout area, from what you say.  Budde sounds 
like he's spreading some FUD to make some quick connections...

 

His - Paul Budde’s - expression may be clumsy (he’s Dutch) but I don’t think 
it’s at all ambiguous, nor is it FUD, and he’s not involved with “making quick 
connections”.. 

Simply: Yes, I am in the current rollout, in fact on the footpath at my front 
gate is a refurbished Telstra pit with fibre running through it. 

I take Paul Budde’s response to mean that the Coalition would not (have the 
audacity to require NBNCo) charge me a connection fee, even if I delayed my NBN 
connection request to an RSP until 01/2014. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

[OT] Nokia sells smartphone business to Microsoft

[Ian Thomas]

Announced yesterday. It will be all over the Australian ICT press in a
couple of days L

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

RE: [OT] Nokia sells smartphone business to Microsoft

[Ian Thomas]

http://press.nokia.com/2013/09/03/nokia-to-sell-devices-services-business-to-microsoft-in-eur-5-44-billion-all-cash-transaction/
 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 12:35 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Nokia sells smartphone business to Microsoft

 

Color me confused, I thought MS owned Nokia

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Announced yesterday. It will be all over the Australian ICT press in a couple 
of days L

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia





 

-- 
Meski


  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: Developer keyboard revisted

[Ian Thomas]

That BT keyboard looks useful, for connectivity to other devices than a
Windows laptop/desktop. Having the USB is a bonus. But at ca $200 and
weighing well over 1kg it's a bit heavy for me.

My requirements for a keyboard are modest, but I have found the Logitech
Cordless Internet Pro (a bit old) has a nasty fault, which is that the
keytop markings are wearing off! I have lost the A, S is disappearing, . Not
what I expected from Logitech. 

As I said, it is a bit old and Logitech has a nicer tiny USB wireless dongle
now (as does Microsoft). I like the Logitech wireless doodad that works with
multiple Logitech devices.

Another of my keyboards is a cheapie Microsoft Wireless 800 (but its
Function keys are poorly located, too close to other keys), and like the
Logitech it comes with a wireless mouse. 

My major objection to the Logitech wireless mouse is that it eats up
batteries (the keyboard doesn't), and it doesn't have an on/off switch.

The Microsoft mouse (bought as a pair with the MS keyboard) does have a
switch, and that is what I will be looking for when buying another wireless
mouse/keyboard (there is no real need to have it on KB in my experiences so
far). 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Nathan Chere
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 8:41 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Developer keyboard revisted

 

Following on from the post about the Atwood-driven keyboard, I just found
one which I'll be buying once it's released (I don't do pre-orders with
unproven vendors):

http://kbtalkingusa.com/full-specifications-and-features/

I said the biggest thing I wanted was wireless, but this is even better.
Proper Bluetooth AND still fall back to USB if desired/needed. I've never
bothered with Bluetooth keyboards because they're usually half-baked pieces
of crap with dodgy non-standard key layouts, but this would make using a
keyboard with a tablet less of a token novelty.

In short:

CODE keyboard:

+ Backlight
+ Various dipswitch options
+ Tenkeyless option
- Only Cherry clear switches

KBTalking Pro:

+ Choice of popular Cherry keyswitches
+ Both Bluetooth and USB supported
+ Pair with multiple devices (including phones and tablets), not just one PC
+ Better hotkey functionality

Given that the first two of the CODE keyboard advantages are of questionable
practicality, the KBTalking Pro is an easy winner for my money.

 

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RE: Visual Studio forgets opened files

[Ian Thomas]

Greg, that's a long and confusing thread - things that work seem to be at
the very end of it. Interesting that it applies to VS2010 (your problem with
VS2012). 

Did you mean this: 

I have found that I can export my current settings, then reset all settings,
then import selected settings, but exclude the window layouts (General
Settings  Window Layouts) and it works. If it works, it's much less
disruptive than resetting all your settings. Tuesday, September 06, 2011
2:19 AM MichaelCsikos

Or the simpler

the only thing that worked for me, and which is pretty simple is:

open the cmd.exe

type devenv /resetsettings

it will restart visual studio and my files were saved again afterwards

Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:31 AM Electrocution

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 4:42 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Visual Studio forgets opened files

 

Just a quick follow-up on this problem from last week. After bumbling around
in web searches I eventually came upon THIS
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/vstudio/en-US/dfe4100a-6228-46ab-89
f3-5c3c05ab5098/visual-studio-2010-ultimate-doesnt-remember-previously-opene
d-files . I exported by settings, reset them, then imported all settings
except Windows Layouts and it's looking okay. I suspected something like
this would solve the problem, but I couldn't face hours of experiments to
try the various combinations. Luckily someone did it first. I'm actually
sceptical that omitting the Windows Layouts was critical to the fix, as
perhaps the reset step simply fixed things, but I can't waste time trying to
find the exact fix steps.

 

Also, months ago I had changed VS2012 settings Environment  Import and
Export Settings  Automatically save my settings to this file ... to point
to a file on a network shared drive letter which was regularly backed up.
After running the reset steps above and running VS2012 as Admin I was
getting a file access error because the network shared letter was unknown to
admin. I changed it to \\unc file:///\\unc  format and fixed the problem,
but it's weird I never saw that error in previous months.

 

Greg K

RE: Visual Studio 2012 diseased

[Ian Thomas]

I've heard (~ a year ago?) that trial versions of Resharper when uninstalled
can cause the intellisense in VS to stop working - but my online search for
this problem, just now, didn't discover if that is fact or fiction, or which
versions of VS and Resharper were supposed to be implicated. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:15 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Visual Studio 2012 diseased

 

Tony, I often have VS2012s open, but never the same solution or projects. I
thought the current state of a solution and projects was held in the suo
files, but deleting them didn't help -- Greg

 

On 21 August 2013 16:38, Tony Wright tonyw...@gmail.com wrote:

Did you open more than one instance of VS?

 

Visual Studio suffers from the lost tuple problem - that is, Open VS, Open a
Solution, Open a second VS, Open a second Solution, Close second VS, close
first VS. Then reopen VS. I'm betting you won't see any reference to the
second solution. That's because first VS overwrote the data for second VS
when it exited. (Well, this used to be the case, not sure now though.)

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013 3:51 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Visual Studio 2012 diseased

 

Folks, sometime in the last two weeks my VS2012 has become diseased with the
following symptoms: (1) It sometimes forgets which files were open when I
reopen a solution (2) Intellisense suddenly stops.

 

I just can't find a pattern to any of this so far. I deleted suo files,
looked for access denied errors, even reset VS2012, but nothing changes. All
I can do is restart VS2012 and manually reopen all the files I was working
on. It's driving me barking mad. Has anyone encountered this?

 

Greg K

 

Programmatically set default program for file type

[Ian Thomas]

I would like to set the default program that runs a particular file type in
code (in my application, to set VLC Media Player for .MP4 files). As far as
I know there aren't .NET classes for file associations - so is it via
registry keys that I do this? 

Prior to coding I have tested my Windows 7 desktop as a Standard User, with
the control panel applets (Default Progams - first 2 options)



But my changes don't stick as Standard User (OK as Admin); it reverts to
WMP as the default for .MP4 files. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

image001.png

RE: Programmatically set default program for file type

[Ian Thomas]

Greg

There's something that was loaded up to Channel9 in 2006 (here
http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Sandbox/249856-System-File-Association ),
and also some 2009 code, corrected in comments up to 2012,  to manipulate
the registry (here
http://mel-green.com/2009/04/c-set-file-type-association/ ) - which I will
test out. I probably need to run up a VM to test it else I will risk
stuffing up this particular desktop's file associations. And I want to be
able to reverse them, of course. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 5:29 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Programmatically set default program for file type

 

Hi Ian, when I started using Vista I noticed the file association tab has
vanished, so as a weekend exercise I wrote a WinForms app that lists and
assigns associations by setting registry values and pulling icons out of PE
resources with the API. I just had a look at the huge morass of code and I
can't decipher the tiny internal bit that does the actual work. The number
of reg keys to tweak is quite small. If you get stuck, let me know and I'll
have a fresh look in the morning. The app couldn't make changes unless it
was running elevated, and I had some code in there to check for that and
graciously degrade -- Greg

 

On 21 August 2013 18:59, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

I would like to set the default program that runs a particular file type in
code (in my application, to set VLC Media Player for .MP4 files). As far as
I know there aren't .NET classes for file associations - so is it via
registry keys that I do this? 

Prior to coding I have tested my Windows 7 desktop as a Standard User, with
the control panel applets (Default Progams - first 2 options)

But my changes don't stick as Standard User (OK as Admin); it reverts to
WMP as the default for .MP4 files. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

RE: [OT] mSATA SDDs

[Ian Thomas]

You have the GB-XM14-1037 model, with Celeron CPU? I like the gigabit
Ethernet and WiFi. Are you running Windows Media Centre for Windows 7? 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:12 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] mSATA SDDs

 

I got one of these little bad boys for my Gigabyte Brix recently. 

 

http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/list.aspx?s=47
http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/list.aspx?s=47ck=104 ck=104

 

No fans, small, fast. Its advertised as DIY as you have to buy the RAM and
mSata separate. Makes for an AWESOME media center pc. Mine went from the
size of a Desktop HIFI looking component case (with fans) to a tiny little
box that's smaller than my hand and silent. 

 

Love technology. 

 

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Something only for those willing to get intimate with their computer
hardware: Samsung PM841 SSDs (128Mb - 256Mb - 512Mb) - note these are mSATA
(see below)

Link
http://www.ramcity.com.au/upgrade/data-storage/internal-solid-state-drives/
samsung-pm841/79997   = RAMCity - I have had very good experiences with
them, for my occasional need for RAM of various types; otherwise, I have no
connection with the company. 

I'm informed that these are normally supplied to OEM customers like Dell,
Toshiba, SONY, and HP. 

http://www.ramcity.com.au/assets/full/MZMTD512HAGL-0.jpg

What is an mSATA solid state drive you ask? Well, it has the same (but
smaller) internals as a normal SSD, only without the external casing. At a
mere 6 grams, and just 5cm long, 3cm wide, and only 4mm high, it's an
incredibly light weight and durable high-speed storage solution. It fits in
many current model Ultrabooks, slim notebooks, and motherboards with an
mSATA slot (or you can convert it to standard SATA with a
http://sendy.ramcity.com.au/sendy/l/mdfD892S191fZVsF763kXNx8BQ/qxMDwfMpwnX7
OH77XPEujQ/FO2q4AqSgX1xMvZiZ3ldlQ SATA-mSATA adapter).

The Samsung PM841 has the smallest z-height we've ever seen, and so far we
know it fits perfectly in Sony Z7 series notebooks, Samsung NP9 (Series 9)
notebooks, HP 9000 series notebooks, Lenovo W530, Toshiba Z800/Z900 series
notebooks, Fujitsu Stylistic Q700 series notebooks, and many others.

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

image001.jpg

[OT] mSATA SDDs

[Ian Thomas]

Something only for those willing to get intimate with their computer
hardware: Samsung PM841 SSDs (128Mb - 256Mb - 512Mb) - note these are mSATA
(see below)

Link
http://www.ramcity.com.au/upgrade/data-storage/internal-solid-state-drives/
samsung-pm841/79997   = RAMCity - I have had very good experiences with
them, for my occasional need for RAM of various types; otherwise, I have no
connection with the company. 

I'm informed that these are normally supplied to OEM customers like Dell,
Toshiba, SONY, and HP. 

http://www.ramcity.com.au/assets/full/MZMTD512HAGL-0.jpg

What is an mSATA solid state drive you ask? Well, it has the same (but
smaller) internals as a normal SSD, only without the external casing. At a
mere 6 grams, and just 5cm long, 3cm wide, and only 4mm high, it's an
incredibly light weight and durable high-speed storage solution. It fits in
many current model Ultrabooks, slim notebooks, and motherboards with an
mSATA slot (or you can convert it to standard SATA with a
http://sendy.ramcity.com.au/sendy/l/mdfD892S191fZVsF763kXNx8BQ/qxMDwfMpwnX7
OH77XPEujQ/FO2q4AqSgX1xMvZiZ3ldlQ SATA-mSATA adapter).

The Samsung PM841 has the smallest z-height we've ever seen, and so far we
know it fits perfectly in Sony Z7 series notebooks, Samsung NP9 (Series 9)
notebooks, HP 9000 series notebooks, Lenovo W530, Toshiba Z800/Z900 series
notebooks, Fujitsu Stylistic Q700 series notebooks, and many others.

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

image003.jpg

RE: [OT] mSATA SDDs

[Ian Thomas]

Those sizes should be Gb of course – not Mb L

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of osjasonrobe...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:12 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] mSATA SDDs

 

Cool thanks for that info Ian, I was thinking of replacing my main SSD in my 
Lenovo X220T this year, I think it also supports a secondary SSD (perhaps 
mSATA).

 

I guess I could always just buy a shiny new ultrabook instead 

 

Jason Roberts
Journeyman Software Developer

Twitter: @robertsjason
Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com
Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts

 

From: Ian Thomas
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎20‎ ‎August‎ ‎2013 ‎11‎:‎59‎ ‎AM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com

 

Something only for those willing to get intimate with their computer hardware: 
Samsung PM841 SSDs (128Mb – 256Mb - 512Mb) – note these are mSATA (see below)

Link 
http://www.ramcity.com.au/upgrade/data-storage/internal-solid-state-drives/samsung-pm841/79997
   = RAMCity – I have had very good experiences with them, for my occasional 
need for RAM of various types; otherwise, I have no connection with the 
company. 

I’m informed that these are normally supplied to OEM customers like Dell, 
Toshiba, SONY, and HP. 

http://www.ramcity.com.au/assets/full/MZMTD512HAGL-0.jpg

What is an mSATA solid state drive you ask? Well, it has the same (but smaller) 
internals as a normal SSD, only without the external casing. At a mere 6 grams, 
and just 5cm long, 3cm wide, and only 4mm high, it's an incredibly light weight 
and durable high-speed storage solution. It fits in many current model 
Ultrabooks, slim notebooks, and motherboards with an mSATA slot (or you can 
convert it to standard SATA with a  
http://sendy.ramcity.com.au/sendy/l/mdfD892S191fZVsF763kXNx8BQ/qxMDwfMpwnX7OH77XPEujQ/FO2q4AqSgX1xMvZiZ3ldlQ
 SATA-mSATA adapter).

The Samsung PM841 has the smallest z-height we've ever seen, and so far we know 
it fits perfectly in Sony Z7 series notebooks, Samsung NP9 (Series 9) 
notebooks, HP 9000 series notebooks, Lenovo W530, Toshiba Z800/Z900 series 
notebooks, Fujitsu Stylistic Q700 series notebooks, and many others.

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

image001.jpg

RE: Livefan F2 - Windows 8 Tablet?

[Ian Thomas]

I was interested in this, because of the 3G - having a popup from the
Russian Federation puts me off, though! 

(the new Nexus 7 is probably just as attractive?)

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Corneliu I. Tusnea
Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013 1:29 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Livefan F2 - Windows 8 Tablet?

 

Hi,

 

Anyone tried one of these Chinese W8 tables: Livefan F2?

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/EMS-Shipping-wifi-3G-Windows-8-ATom-N2600-dua
l-core-1-6GHz-2G-RAM-32G-SSD/575960908.html

 

Core i5, 4Gb RAM, 128Gb SSD, 3G? $999?

It's not Surface but has 3G. 

 

Thoughts?

Corneliu

RE: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

[Ian Thomas]

Perhaps it’s LinkedIn that is the spammer? I get a bit of LinkedIn email – not 
as bad as Facebook, though. 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Monday, 29 July 2013 9:55 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

 

You guys don't see the sheer insane volume of spam that mailman eats before 
getting to these lists. Sometimes it is several times the actual mail volume. 

 

I live in perpetual fear of the day spambots have gmail accounts and actually 
sign up to lists properly. 


This is a new one though. 




David Connors
 mailto:da...@connors.com da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors
Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors

 

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Corneliu I. Tusnea corne...@acorns.com.au 
wrote:

Isn't this funny? :) Who will accept his request on our behalf?

 

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Tejas Goradia byteb...@gmail.com wrote:






 




 

 



 

 



 



 

From Tejas Goradia 


 

Microsoft Businesss Intelligence Consultant at DWS

Melbourne Area, Australia


 




 


 


 


 


 



 

ozDotNet,

I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

- Tejas 


 



 





 





 

 



 
https://www.linkedin.com/e/-cinknh-hjorbuah-6y/isd/15335023803/p4Grcq37/?hs=falsetok=0dfuKa-0h5IlQ1
 Confirm that you know Tejas 


 

 


 

 



 


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© 2012, LinkedIn Corporation. 2029 Stierlin Ct. Mountain View, CA 94043, USA


 

 

 

RE: Deflate Zip library care

[Ian Thomas]

David

Yes. 

I thought that I had read somewhere in the ICT press that Microsoft as a
whole (not just the .NET team/groups) was moving towards more so-called
out-of-band releases. 

For .Net, 4.5.1 came soon after 4.5 - sure, you're not the .NET team but as
I understand it, Silverlight 4 supported some compression formats; .NET 4.5
added compatibility with ZIP compression - appreciated by many; shouldn't
Silverlight add the same capability in a 5.x point-release? 

I see on the Silverlight 'social' forums and on SO, complaints about SL4
applications not being upgradeable to SL5 (they break). 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 9:15 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Deflate Zip library care

 

Not sure I understand reference to 4.5.1, explain?

 

Are you asking if we can do an out of band release for Zip for Silverlight? 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 3:46 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Deflate Zip library care

 

Time for an out-of-band release? .NET 4.5.1 was one such - you missed that? 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 3:33 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Deflate Zip library care

 

That's my team. J Unfortunately, while we have deflate/gzip
(uncompress-only) support for Silverlight for HTTP responses, we didn't add
ZIP compression support for Silverlight.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:37 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Deflate Zip library care

 

Saw this in my twitter feed today, not sure if it's related but it's not too
long to read and may be useful.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2013/07/17/httpclient-2-2-is-now-stab
le.aspx

In the summary it mentions partial support for Silverlight and a rabbit hole
link if you want to go down it.

Greg

 

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

Are you sending these files over HTTP? Doesn't HTTP provide the ability to
compress files between server and client?

 

I had a quick look at some pages and docs on this. It seems to be dependent
on the IIS version, having the compression module installed and the client
side being compression-compatible browsers. I don't know how all this
affects a WCF service and SL client. I'd have to do lots more research to
see if the burden of doing compression could safely and completely moved to
the environment. Id' be interested to hear anyone's experience with this --
Greg

 

RE: Surface RT Prices Slashed $349

[Ian Thomas]

Maybe a review of what WinRT is could help? This
http://www.infragistics.com/community/blogs/nick-landry/archive/2012/06/19/
developing-apps-for-microsoft-surface-windows-8-windows-rt-and-windows-phone
.aspx  is from Infragistics, a bit old, but still valid I think: 

Also see this
http://www.winsupersite.com/blog/supersite-blog-39/windows8/winrt-replacing
-win32-140605  and this
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br230302(v=vs.110).asp
x#convert . 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Arjang Assadi
Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2013 5:13 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Surface RT Prices Slashed $349

 

http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2013/07/16/microsoft-cuts-surface-p
rices.aspx

 

Is it me that found the price was reasonable to begin with but deployment of
non-App Store Apps was the pain?

 

Are people developing and deploying their own custom (NON-APP STORE) apps to
RT with ease? If yes, then can anyone enlighten me regarding the process to
use? (With VS 2012 Professional)

 

 

Thank you

 

 

RE: Deflate Zip library care

[Ian Thomas]

Time for an out-of-band release? .NET 4.5.1 was one such - you missed that? 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 3:33 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Deflate Zip library care

 

That's my team. J Unfortunately, while we have deflate/gzip
(uncompress-only) support for Silverlight for HTTP responses, we didn't add
ZIP compression support for Silverlight.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:37 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Deflate Zip library care

 

Saw this in my twitter feed today, not sure if it's related but it's not too
long to read and may be useful.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2013/07/17/httpclient-2-2-is-now-stab
le.aspx

In the summary it mentions partial support for Silverlight and a rabbit hole
link if you want to go down it.

Greg

 

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

Are you sending these files over HTTP? Doesn't HTTP provide the ability to
compress files between server and client?

 

I had a quick look at some pages and docs on this. It seems to be dependent
on the IIS version, having the compression module installed and the client
side being compression-compatible browsers. I don't know how all this
affects a WCF service and SL client. I'd have to do lots more research to
see if the burden of doing compression could safely and completely moved to
the environment. Id' be interested to hear anyone's experience with this --
Greg

 

RE: [OT] RSS feed formatting

[Ian Thomas]

This is rather interesting, actually – as this post describes
http://nfriedly.com/techblog/2009/06/how-to-use-xslt-to-style-an-rss-feed/
, only Chrome doesn’t muck about with how xml-stylesheets are used by the
browser, in RSS feeds (any of the dialects of RSS or Atom ? maybe the
article is a little dated). 

 

For Internet Explorer, its default behaviour with RSS feeds can be turned
off – 

Internet Explorer

IE requires that the user specifically choose to disable their
take-liberties-with-rss “feature”. I would point out that this really isn’t
good enough because 99% of users will never get that far, but sadly, it’s
the closest thing to getting it right out of any browser on the market!
(Aside from Google Chrome.)

Here’s how:

1. Click on the Tools menu,

2. Click on the Internet Options sub-menu,

3. Click on the Content tab,

4. Click on the Settings button of the Feed section to bring up Feed
Settings dialog box,

5. Un-check the Turn On Feed Reading View option.

6. Click OK all the way to close all opened dialog boxes.

7. Restart Internet Explorer

All of which is at a tangent to my original purpose. 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 10:21 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] RSS feed formatting

 

Yes, that is the difference:  originally, I saved the file-as-rendered (ie,
what I saw in the IE10 browser when it displays an RSS feed document,
prettified) – which is an XML file, but without the line pointing to the
RSSPretty.xslt file (different, I assume, for other RSS feeds - eg from
Sourceforge or wherever). Saving the ‘View Source’ representation from IE10
gives me the original RSS document with the online link to the XSLT it
needs. 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 9:39 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting

 

Wow, that sucks.  Surely its not the responsibility of the browser to modify
the source.  It's not really saving the source then, its more like
exporting the content.  Actually, now that I think of it.  Did you save
the source (ie view source then save) or save the page (ie from the rendered
page)?  Perhaps that's the difference.




David

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes 
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

 

On 17 July 2013 09:34, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Mark, certainly IE imposes its will upon the file representations.
With IE (v10), saving the RSS to disk as XML seems to remove the line that
defines the link to the transform (XSLT) file, whereas View Source reveals
that line. I guess there are pros and cons in those differences. I don't
have other browsers on this laptop so didn't try opera/firefox/chrome.
Thanks for the elucidation - I can progress from here (MicrosoftAtWork was
just put forward as an example).


Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]

On Behalf Of Mark Hurd
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 11:01 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting

That seems to be an artifact of IE's processing of RSS. The URL of the
subscribed page (as seen in the Properties of the page) is:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/community/rss.xml
which is what the shortened url http://aka.ms/AtHomeRSS expands to.

On 16 July 2013 22:20, Mark Hurd markeh...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, I see now, once you actually subscribe there's no xsl.

 On 16 July 2013 22:08, Mark Hurd markeh...@gmail.com wrote:
 When I view source of http://aka.ms/AtHomeRSS the second line is:
 ?xml-stylesheet type='text/xsl' href='RssPretty.xslt'
 version='1.0'?

 On 16 July 2013 18:31, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Sorry, I can’t see any explicit XSLT file referenced in the RSS
 (View Source, in Internet Explorer) – and I would have thought that
 saving the XML file itself and then opening that in IE, then either
 (if explicitly named) the browser would locate the XSLT, or ( as you
 suggested) “ If it's not specified or if the file is missing, IE
 will just use a default one which is the XML view you saw.” – but not
true.



 So, I’m still in ignorance.



 Ian Thomas

 Victoria Park, Western Australia



 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of David Richards
 Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 10:49 AM


 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting



 Its referenced in the file.  Just look at the source, you'll see it
 at the top of the file.  If it's not specified or if the file is
 missing, IE will just use a default one which is the XML view you saw.


 David

 If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes  will fall
 like a house of cards

RE: Deflate Zip library care

[Ian Thomas]

Why not use .NET 4.5?  (not 4.0)

Or does this introduce a lot of recompiles, in other parts of the
application suite you're working on? 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 11:45 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Deflate Zip library care

 

I ran into some zip/deflate trouble tonight you should be aware of.

 

RE: [OT] RSS feed formatting

[Ian Thomas]

Sorry, I can’t see any explicit XSLT file referenced in the RSS (View
Source, in Internet Explorer) – and I would have thought that saving the XML
file itself and then opening that in IE, then either (if explicitly named)
the browser would locate the XSLT, or ( as you suggested) “ If it's not
specified or if the file is missing, IE will just use a default one which is
the XML view you saw.” – but not true. 

 

So, I’m still in ignorance. 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 10:49 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting

 

Its referenced in the file.  Just look at the source, you'll see it at the
top of the file.  If it's not specified or if the file is missing, IE will
just use a default one which is the XML view you saw.




David

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes 
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

 

On 16 July 2013 10:01, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

I did assume there was an XSLT file behind, but I don’t think it is
referenced – or is it – in the XML itself? Is it always, or is there a
default name for the transformation file? 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 9:03 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting

 

You're not saving the CSS.  In the example you gave, try grabbing the CSS
file as well:

 

http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/community/RssPretty.xslt

 




David

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes 
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

 

On 16 July 2013 08:54, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

This is a naïve question, maybe someone can explain.

If I browse to an RSS feed (eg, Microsoft at Work
http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/community/rss.xml ) the browser formats it
consistently. Yet, saving the XML file itself and then later opening the
saved-to-disk file in the same browser (eg, IE10) the display is the
standard XML syntax-highlighted view for any XML file. 

What is happening? 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

 

RE: [OT] RSS feed formatting

[Ian Thomas]

Mark, certainly IE imposes its will upon the file representations.
With IE (v10), saving the RSS to disk as XML seems to remove the line that
defines the link to the transform (XSLT) file, whereas View Source reveals
that line. I guess there are pros and cons in those differences. I don't
have other browsers on this laptop so didn't try opera/firefox/chrome.
Thanks for the elucidation - I can progress from here (MicrosoftAtWork was
just put forward as an example). 

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Hurd
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 11:01 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting

That seems to be an artifact of IE's processing of RSS. The URL of the
subscribed page (as seen in the Properties of the page) is:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/community/rss.xml
which is what the shortened url http://aka.ms/AtHomeRSS expands to.

On 16 July 2013 22:20, Mark Hurd markeh...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, I see now, once you actually subscribe there's no xsl.

 On 16 July 2013 22:08, Mark Hurd markeh...@gmail.com wrote:
 When I view source of http://aka.ms/AtHomeRSS the second line is:
 ?xml-stylesheet type='text/xsl' href='RssPretty.xslt' 
 version='1.0'?

 On 16 July 2013 18:31, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Sorry, I can’t see any explicit XSLT file referenced in the RSS 
 (View Source, in Internet Explorer) – and I would have thought that 
 saving the XML file itself and then opening that in IE, then either 
 (if explicitly named) the browser would locate the XSLT, or ( as you 
 suggested) “ If it's not specified or if the file is missing, IE 
 will just use a default one which is the XML view you saw.” – but not
true.



 So, I’m still in ignorance.



 Ian Thomas

 Victoria Park, Western Australia



 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of David Richards
 Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 10:49 AM


 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting



 Its referenced in the file.  Just look at the source, you'll see it 
 at the top of the file.  If it's not specified or if the file is 
 missing, IE will just use a default one which is the XML view you saw.


 David

 If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes  will fall 
 like a house of cards... checkmate!
  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama



 On 16 July 2013 10:01, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 I did assume there was an XSLT file behind, but I don’t think it is 
 referenced – or is it – in the XML itself? Is it always, or is there 
 a default name for the transformation file?





 Ian Thomas

 Victoria Park, Western Australia



 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of David Richards
 Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 9:03 AM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting



 You're not saving the CSS.  In the example you gave, try grabbing 
 the CSS file as well:



 http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/community/RssPretty.xslt




 David

 If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes  will fall 
 like a house of cards... checkmate!
  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama



 On 16 July 2013 08:54, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 This is a naïve question, maybe someone can explain.

 If I browse to an RSS feed (eg, Microsoft at Work) the browser 
 formats it consistently. Yet, saving the XML file itself and then 
 later opening the saved-to-disk file in the same browser (eg, IE10) 
 the display is the standard XML syntax-highlighted view for any XML
file.

 What is happening?



 Ian Thomas

 Victoria Park, Western Australia









 --
 Regards,
 Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)



 --
 Regards,
 Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)



--
Regards,
Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)

RE: [OT] RSS feed formatting

[Ian Thomas]

Yes, that is the difference:  originally, I saved the file-as-rendered (ie,
what I saw in the IE10 browser when it displays an RSS feed document,
prettified) – which is an XML file, but without the line pointing to the
RSSPretty.xslt file (different, I assume, for other RSS feeds - eg from
Sourceforge or wherever). Saving the ‘View Source’ representation from IE10
gives me the original RSS document with the online link to the XSLT it
needs. 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2013 9:39 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting

 

Wow, that sucks.  Surely its not the responsibility of the browser to modify
the source.  It's not really saving the source then, its more like
exporting the content.  Actually, now that I think of it.  Did you save
the source (ie view source then save) or save the page (ie from the rendered
page)?  Perhaps that's the difference.




David

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes 
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

 

On 17 July 2013 09:34, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Mark, certainly IE imposes its will upon the file representations.
With IE (v10), saving the RSS to disk as XML seems to remove the line that
defines the link to the transform (XSLT) file, whereas View Source reveals
that line. I guess there are pros and cons in those differences. I don't
have other browsers on this laptop so didn't try opera/firefox/chrome.
Thanks for the elucidation - I can progress from here (MicrosoftAtWork was
just put forward as an example).


Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]

On Behalf Of Mark Hurd
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 11:01 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting

That seems to be an artifact of IE's processing of RSS. The URL of the
subscribed page (as seen in the Properties of the page) is:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/community/rss.xml
which is what the shortened url http://aka.ms/AtHomeRSS expands to.

On 16 July 2013 22:20, Mark Hurd markeh...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, I see now, once you actually subscribe there's no xsl.

 On 16 July 2013 22:08, Mark Hurd markeh...@gmail.com wrote:
 When I view source of http://aka.ms/AtHomeRSS the second line is:
 ?xml-stylesheet type='text/xsl' href='RssPretty.xslt'
 version='1.0'?

 On 16 July 2013 18:31, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Sorry, I can’t see any explicit XSLT file referenced in the RSS
 (View Source, in Internet Explorer) – and I would have thought that
 saving the XML file itself and then opening that in IE, then either
 (if explicitly named) the browser would locate the XSLT, or ( as you
 suggested) “ If it's not specified or if the file is missing, IE
 will just use a default one which is the XML view you saw.” – but not
true.



 So, I’m still in ignorance.



 Ian Thomas

 Victoria Park, Western Australia



 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of David Richards
 Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 10:49 AM


 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting



 Its referenced in the file.  Just look at the source, you'll see it
 at the top of the file.  If it's not specified or if the file is
 missing, IE will just use a default one which is the XML view you saw.


 David

 If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes  will fall
 like a house of cards... checkmate!
  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama



 On 16 July 2013 10:01, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 I did assume there was an XSLT file behind, but I don’t think it is
 referenced – or is it – in the XML itself? Is it always, or is there
 a default name for the transformation file?





 Ian Thomas

 Victoria Park, Western Australia



 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of David Richards
 Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 9:03 AM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting



 You're not saving the CSS.  In the example you gave, try grabbing
 the CSS file as well:



 http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/community/RssPretty.xslt




 David

 If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes  will fall
 like a house of cards... checkmate!
  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama



 On 16 July 2013 08:54, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 This is a naïve question, maybe someone can explain.

 If I browse to an RSS feed (eg, Microsoft at Work) the browser
 formats it consistently. Yet, saving the XML file itself and then
 later opening the saved-to-disk file in the same browser (eg, IE10)
 the display is the standard XML syntax-highlighted view for any XML
file.

 What is happening?



 Ian Thomas

 Victoria Park, Western Australia









 --
 Regards,
 Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.)



 --
 Regards

[OT] RSS feed formatting

[Ian Thomas]

This is a naïve question, maybe someone can explain.

If I browse to an RSS feed (eg, Microsoft at Work
http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/community/rss.xml ) the browser formats it
consistently. Yet, saving the XML file itself and then later opening the
saved-to-disk file in the same browser (eg, IE10) the display is the
standard XML syntax-highlighted view for any XML file. 

What is happening? 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

RE: [OT] RSS feed formatting

[Ian Thomas]

I did assume there was an XSLT file behind, but I don’t think it is
referenced – or is it – in the XML itself? Is it always, or is there a
default name for the transformation file? 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Richards
Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2013 9:03 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] RSS feed formatting

 

You're not saving the CSS.  In the example you gave, try grabbing the CSS
file as well:

 

http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/community/RssPretty.xslt

 




David

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes 
 will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
 -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

 

On 16 July 2013 08:54, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

This is a naïve question, maybe someone can explain.

If I browse to an RSS feed (eg, Microsoft at Work
http://www.microsoft.com/atwork/community/rss.xml ) the browser formats it
consistently. Yet, saving the XML file itself and then later opening the
saved-to-disk file in the same browser (eg, IE10) the display is the
standard XML syntax-highlighted view for any XML file. 

What is happening? 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

RE: [OT] My computer history page

[Ian Thomas]

My first owned computer (apart from programmable HP calculators) was an
Exidy Sorcerer Z80 with 48K of RAM - we expanded it to 56K. It had a word
processor cartridge plug-in that was (like all these cartridges, including
BASIC) 8K. The only original physical storage was a 'stringy floppy'. Later,
a local (Melbourne) group manufactured an interface for 8 and 5 floppy
disks (DigiTrio - one of the business owners was/is Devin Trussell). 

 

K = kilo not mega

 

I still have 4 of these machines. I would like to give a couple away (not
the highly-modidifed ones, as one day I will fire it up again - though a
few years ago I found an emulator that runs in Windows, or was it DOS?, and
I could run PacMan on that).

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Evrat
Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013 7:35 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: [OT] My computer history page

 

 

Greg, we seem to be of the same vintage - Class of 74. Fresh publications of
'Chambers 7 figure log tables' could still be purchased in 1975 when, along
with a slide rule, I was required to have them for first year engineering.
Log Tables / Slide Rule, same principle - who'd have thought you could
multiply numbers by adding their logs and looking up the reverse log. In
mid-1974 I may have been one of the first in Australia to have a HP21
calculator. It began the love affair nearly all engineers have with Reverse
Polish Notation (not sure if still the case today). 1975 was also the year
of the PDP-8 and punch card machines (Fortran  Basic) for me and then some
main frame I only ever saw once because you had to deliver up a stack of
pencil-mark cards for overnight processing only to get reams of large
multi-fold paper the next day to say there was an error in line 276 (a
crash). You could always resubmit the next night to find the error in line
305. Imagine today if you had to wait overnight for each error !!  There was
also an electric adding machine in my life a little at that time. It would
clunk and churn for a minute or two to add numbers by spinning internal
wheels after pushing the hundred or two mechanical buttons on the front. The
PC and DOS came later. Did anyone ever use the DOS PDQ library for the US?
PDQ for Pretty Damn Quick. It was for QuickBasic (probably only engineering
types - not programmers who I believe went to COBOL like you). Enjoyed your
computer history page ..

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2013 9:13 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] My computer history page

 

You lived in luxury !! - I had to endure Chambers 7 figure log tables

 

Holey schmoley, I never knew that 7 figure tables existed. I ran a search
and came up with a picture here:

 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chambers-Seven-Figure-Mathematical-Tables-Trigonomet
rical/dp/B00200WFG0

 

It's not just a thin booklet, it's a hardcover book. I imagine these were
expensive and only used for real science. The one in the link is going for 5
quid, so maybe I'll buy it. It's from 1948, which makes sense in comparison
to the timeline of the computer.

 

Greg

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6489 - Release Date: 07/13/13

RE: Version increment - VCB-like addin?

[Ian Thomas]

Piers

I've always been turned off using TeamCity because of reported problems of
TeamCity with SVN and VisualSVN (I use a licensed copy of VisualSVN with
TortoiseSVN on desktop). 

 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Piers Williams
Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013 4:17 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Version increment - VCB-like addin?

 

I'd just use the build number management that your CI server (eg TeamCity)
gives you. That way you can always go back to the build logs if something
looks odd.

On 3 Jul 2013 13:42, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

I have been using Versioning Controlled Build (VCB v3.x) from a CodeProject
article for some time, with VS2010 and earlier. Do others have preferences
for other simple  build version increment / control addins? 

 

Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

 

 

RE: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

[Ian Thomas]

Using InfoPath is not necessarily the ideal solution, however. 

As I understand the OP's description of the task or project, the on-the-road
people may not have a functional internet connection always, and the
licensing of InfoPath is such that the InfoPath Filler cannot be separated
from a fully-licensed Microsoft Office Professional license. 

However, if the HQ is using SharePoint and the internet connection is good,
InfoPath would be part of a good solution. 

If there is no internet connection (ie, clients fill in forms on the laptop,
unconnected), then InfoPath would be OK if each road-warrior has Office
Pro on the laptop.  Otherwise, designing an InfoPath Filler form is not an
option. 

I'm not familiar enough with SharePoint and InfoPath to know how other
InfoPath forms would be client-available in the circumstances that Greg H
described. 

I do know, however, that the Adobe designer for PDF forms (LiveCycle) is a
bit of a bastard, but Adobe Reader (PDF reader application aka Acrobat
Reader) is free and can fill in those forms created with LiveCycle Designer
(as can many other free or cheap PDF readers). 

Microsoft's InfoPath Filler is not free. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Katherine Moss
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:20 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

 

Acceptable, and not to mention, accessible.  You never know whether the
folks you are working with use screen readers and forms in word and as PDFs
via scanning are completely inaccessible.  Not recommended if you have
screen reading and text-to-speech software among those in your environment.


 

From:  mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 9:38 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

 

That's a good suggestion, Katherine. InfoPath would be quite acceptable -
perhaps best choice if Greg H must also handle the data, after the clients /
form-fillers have completed the forms. The XML data format is intrinsic to
InfoPath. PDF Forms also export (the filled data) as XML. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From:  mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Moss
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 10:19 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

 

Don't forget Microsoft InfoPath, guys.  InfoPath has some hot .net extension
features from what I have read on it.  

 

From:  mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of
mailto:ifum...@gmail.com ifum...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 2:12 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

 

Omnipage has an api that could achieve some of this I think

 

From:  mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
[ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Harris
Sent: Monday, 24 June 2013 10:21 AM
To:  mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

 

Hi Everybody

 

I have a client that needs a simple tick the boxes data entry system.

This is to be used by their client's who may or may not know how to navigate
web applications and will be of a wide age, educational and ethnicity range.

This will often be used on the road with poor access to the internet and
general support.

Expected volume is 30 questionnaires with up to 30 questions on each, all of
which must be processed with less than 30 minutes human processing time per
day.

I was thinking of printing a questionnaire page for each of them and then
getting a data entry person to enter the results.

But, I also want to be able scan the pages, because it is being used on the
road, I don't think that it is realistic for the client to take a scanner
with him, I was thinking he could just use a camera and take a photo of the
completed questionnaire.

The photo would be scanned for a QR code to identify the document and also
scan the rest of the document for ticks in boxes, all of which will be in
fixed locations on the page.

 

Questions:

1. Has anyone done anything like this?

2. Do you have any suggestion on how to best implement it and how to avoid
problems ?

4. Do you know of any good .NET libraries that could help me?

 

Many thanks

Greg Harris

RE: Tablets - WinRT and Android

[Ian Thomas]

I’m not sure that I would buy a Surface RT even at 60% off its AU price, though 
– over a Nexus 7 32Gb 3G. I would like 3G or LTE available (built-in or 
pluggable). Maybe that’s the next Surface WinRT model, if Microsoft persists 
with hardware production? 

Android for desktop has been debated for a while, but from HP is a surprise. 
“Slate 21” – bigger than a roofing tile. 

I missed the Acer N3-220 announcement, but the tablet-laptop hybrids as this 
article calls them, from Asus and Samsung, have been manifest for some time. 

Coming back to Windows and WinRT on ARM – to me, it seems like a really good 
platform with heaps of potential – especially for Windows developers. 

It might be that realising this potential depends on reduced pricing – not just 
to educational institutions. That would require concessions from Microsoft for 
the OS licensing. I’m ignorant of those numbers, but my guess would be that the 
manufacturers already pay quite a small amount. And the secure boot ROM could 
not cost them more than a few dollars. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:49 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Tablets - WinRT and Android

 

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Mike – no comment possible, I guess? HP’s Android-based desktop –

http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/print/465705/hp_shows_off_21-inch_all-in-one_desktop_installed_android/

 

Wow... of all the Microsoft partners to release something like that. I saw MS 
are going to do Surface RT @ 60% discount to education to counter the iPad.

 

We sure do live in interesting times. It has been a couple of decades since the 
industry saw shifts of this magnitude. 

 

David.  

 

 

RE: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

[Ian Thomas]

That's a good suggestion, Katherine. InfoPath would be quite acceptable -
perhaps best choice if Greg H must also handle the data, after the clients /
form-fillers have completed the forms. The XML data format is intrinsic to
InfoPath. PDF Forms also export (the filled data) as XML. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Katherine Moss
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 10:19 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

 

Don't forget Microsoft InfoPath, guys.  InfoPath has some hot .net extension
features from what I have read on it.  

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of ifum...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 2:12 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

 

Omnipage has an api that could achieve some of this I think

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Harris
Sent: Monday, 24 June 2013 10:21 AM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

 

Hi Everybody

 

I have a client that needs a simple tick the boxes data entry system.

This is to be used by their client's who may or may not know how to navigate
web applications and will be of a wide age, educational and ethnicity range.

This will often be used on the road with poor access to the internet and
general support.

Expected volume is 30 questionnaires with up to 30 questions on each, all of
which must be processed with less than 30 minutes human processing time per
day.

I was thinking of printing a questionnaire page for each of them and then
getting a data entry person to enter the results.

But, I also want to be able scan the pages, because it is being used on the
road, I don't think that it is realistic for the client to take a scanner
with him, I was thinking he could just use a camera and take a photo of the
completed questionnaire.

The photo would be scanned for a QR code to identify the document and also
scan the rest of the document for ticks in boxes, all of which will be in
fixed locations on the page.

 

Questions:

1. Has anyone done anything like this?

2. Do you have any suggestion on how to best implement it and how to avoid
problems ?

4. Do you know of any good .NET libraries that could help me?

 

Many thanks

Greg Harris

RE: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

[Ian Thomas]

Not the sort of .NET coding suggestion that you expected, I know - BUT - 

Personally, I would do it with a PDF fillable form - it would meet all the
requirements, and the data itself can be exported from each person's filled
form, back at base or HQ. I'm not sure if there are .NET PDF libraries that
cover that, though. 

Many government departments use them. In fact, I have helped complete two of
them from AusIndustry in the past couple of weeks (grant applications). 

PDF forms have the ability to data check, etc - they have a lot of features
designed for the use case you have described. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Harris
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 8:21 AM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: A simple tick the boxes data entry system

 

Hi Everybody

 

I have a client that needs a simple tick the boxes data entry system.

This is to be used by their client's who may or may not know how to navigate
web applications and will be of a wide age, educational and ethnicity range.

This will often be used on the road with poor access to the internet and
general support.

Expected volume is 30 questionnaires with up to 30 questions on each, all of
which must be processed with less than 30 minutes human processing time per
day.

I was thinking of printing a questionnaire page for each of them and then
getting a data entry person to enter the results.

But, I also want to be able scan the pages, because it is being used on the
road, I don't think that it is realistic for the client to take a scanner
with him, I was thinking he could just use a camera and take a photo of the
completed questionnaire.

The photo would be scanned for a QR code to identify the document and also
scan the rest of the document for ticks in boxes, all of which will be in
fixed locations on the page.

 

Questions:

1. Has anyone done anything like this?

2. Do you have any suggestion on how to best implement it and how to avoid
problems ?

4. Do you know of any good .NET libraries that could help me?

 

Many thanks

Greg Harris

RE: Tablets - WinRT and Android

[Ian Thomas]

ARM has had secure boot (ROM), and experience with Windows since Windows 
Embedded CE6.0 – maybe adding the extra ROM does add an incremental cost to a 
tablet on the same ARM A9 multicore that HP uses in its Slate 7 tablets. But 
$900 for the Intel-based Hewlett-Packard equivalent tablet with Windows 8 seems 
a little high (Intel Atom ? 2-core processor). 

Let’s leave aside Hewlett-Packard’s business decisions. It was just an idle 
thought of mine that they didn’t produce a WinRT version of Slate 7. 

If one dislikes Windows OS on tablets – or maybe is “going off” the Windows 
platform altogether (? Scott Barnes), then there’s no discussion to be had. 

But getting back to WinRT vs Android for tablets. 

Windows 8 phone OS appears to run comfortably on 1Gb RAM with single-core 
processors (eg, Nokia Lumia 920/925 – Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 processor which 
uses the ARM v7 instruction set, and has a decent GPU), so I can’t see that 
Windows RT tablets should be dismissed. 

Of course they’re not going to run Intel-based software but my understanding 
(simple reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRT ) is that a .NET runtime 
similar to Silverlight runs on WinRT and application development should not be 
a whole new world. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Tablets - WinRT and Android

 

WinRT requires SecureBoot (so UEFI) and whole disk encryption, and probably a 
bunch of other things, so generic ARM hardware may not suffice.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013 3:03 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: Tablets - WinRT and Android

 

(tangential to VS2012 hacks)

Yes, that was my thought – the Slate 7 hardware has ARM processor, and the 
WinRT would be a good fit. Then HP would have directly competing Android vs 
Windows tablets.  

The US prices on (Android) Slate 7 are under $200. But the Nexus 7 is a 
better-configured tablet ($+) – 3G/HSPA+ ($AU350 or so).  

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 12:36 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Just Pro, AFAIK.  You'd think that the hardware for Android would be a good 
match for RT, though?

 

Query for Microsoft:  is RT available as a piece of software, or only sold with 
hardware?

 

Mike

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Yes, I was going to raise that with you off-list Mike. The ones I know of are 
the (Android) Slate 7 range and the ElitePad 800 and 900 (Win8 and Win8Pro) – 
quite a different price bracket, though. I didn’t know there was a Windows8 
Slate (WinRT ?). 

 

 

RE: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

[Ian Thomas]

Agreed, Stephen – not spam, definitely informative – and in my opinion, 
helpful. 

Perhaps it is the right thing / fashionable to preface it with a pseudo-xml 
token shameless plug/ and it would be all OK. 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:53 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] My New Pluralsight Course

 

Pretty sure one email doesn't classify as spamming. Personally, I think if 
someone in our community produces anything they are proud of and want to share 
with us, they should be encouraged. If said emails were to become a regular 
thing then you could politely ask them to stop (off list preferably). 

 

Since you are in the business of begging, could you please make yourself a 
cardboard sign or something so we can all give you free stuff as we pass you in 
the street. 

 

 

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Wallace Turner wallace.tur...@gmail.com 
wrote:

since you are in the business of spamming the list could you provide a free 
copy of your content please?

 

On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:11 AM, jasi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi all,

 

My new Pluralsight course has just been released “Automated Testing: End to End”

 

 http://bit.ly/pstesting http://bit.ly/pstesting

 

We shouldn't live in fear of our code. Long-term customer satisfaction, 
product agility, and developer happiness are crucial. A quality suite of 
automated tests helps achieve this. This practical course covers how and what 
to test at the unit, integration, and functional UI levels; and how to bring 
them all together with continuous integration build server.

 

Hope wherever you are in Oz you’re having a great morning 

 

Cheers

Jason

 

Sent from Windows Mail

 

 

 

RE: VS2012 hacks

[Ian Thomas]

It’s Greek to me J - but was Scott subconsciously associating designs 
(skeumorphs) with stock keeping units (SKUs)?

But aren’t all Apple designs perfect? I have to smile at the grudging praise of 
Microsoft Surface (the hardware) by the Apple fanbois. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:33 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Nice quote.  Google says it's skeuomorphism though.  (what kind of language 
puts euo in that order???)

 

Mike

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote:

iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a 
bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing 
lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your 
digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the 
mullet Steve would have wanted.




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't get Apple design.  How could the designers of OSX have come up with a 
dog like iOS?

 

Mike

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote:

VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :)

 

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013

 




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great 
influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. 

I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of the 
behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my 
productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour 
of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon 
OK). 

There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one of 
the other hacks that I listed. 

NiceVS

http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6
 

I hate to have to do these things. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM


To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours 
and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. 
We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my 
experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and 
run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been 
quite startling. Why is this happening?

 

Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change 
where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, 
etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better 
with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first 
preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there 
some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do 
they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they 
put through the usability testing?

 

And then there's Windows 8 ...

 

Greg

 





 

-- 
Meski


  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

 





 

-- 
Meski


  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: VS2012 hacks

[Ian Thomas]

Yes, I was going to raise that with you off-list Mike. The ones I know of are 
the (Android) Slate 7 range and the ElitePad 800 and 900 (Win8 and Win8Pro) – 
quite a different price bracket, though. I didn’t know there was a Windows8 
Slate (WinRT ?). 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 12:13 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

*I* have to smile at HP releasing Slate with either Android or Windows8  on it. 
 

 

(disclaimer, yes, I work for HP, and this isn't an official HP opinion, but a 
personal one)

 

Mike

 

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

It’s Greek to me J - but was Scott subconsciously associating designs 
(skeumorphs) with stock keeping units (SKUs)?

But aren’t all Apple designs perfect? I have to smile at the grudging praise of 
Microsoft Surface (the hardware) by the Apple fanbois. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:33 AM


To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Nice quote.  Google says it's skeuomorphism though.  (what kind of language 
puts euo in that order???)

 

Mike

On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote:

iOS7 is what happeneded the night of Steve Jobs funeral as they all sat in a 
bar listening to Whitesnake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJk0HW_hJw) doing 
lines of cocaine and suddenly reliving your 80's and after then upgrading your 
digital skuemorphism to the next circle of design hell ... 80's iOS ..it's the 
mullet Steve would have wanted.




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't get Apple design.  How could the designers of OSX have come up with a 
dog like iOS?

 

Mike

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote:

VS2012 design could have been worse.. Apple could have designed it :)

 

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/780667831.jpg?1371031013

 




---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

 

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Greg, Greg – I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted great 
influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. 

I can’t stand Office 2013 – I appreciate some features, but find some of the 
behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my 
productivity). I don’t think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in favour 
of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the ribbon 
OK). 

There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted – NiceVS. It overlaps with one of 
the other hacks that I listed. 

NiceVS

http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d12b8a6
 

I hate to have to do these things. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM


To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old colours 
and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally do that. 
We all expect complaints when new versions of products are released, but in my 
experience the noise quickly drops away and people just accept the changes and 
run with them. However, the amount of stubborn resistance recently has been 
quite startling. Why is this happening?

 

Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style change 
where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour, fewer lines, 
etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and brain work better 
with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far (remember the first 
preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a charcoal etching?). Is there 
some department or research within Microsoft that is driving this trend? Do 
they explain their reasoning? Where did they recruit the drugged gibbons they 
put through the usability testing?

 

And then there's Windows 8 ...

 

Greg

 





 

-- 
Meski


  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

 





 

-- 
Meski


  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills





 

-- 
Meski


  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going

RE: VS2012 hacks

[Ian Thomas]

More

 

Visual Studio Icon Patcher

http://vsip.codeplex.com/ 

 

Visual Studio 2012 Color Theme Editor

http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/366ad100-0003-4c9a-81a8-337d4e
7ace05 

 

Visual Studio 2012 Color Theme Editor  (Channel9 video)

http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Visual-Studio-Toolbox/Visual-Studio-2012-Colo
r-Theme-Editor

 

VSCommands for Visual Studio 2012

http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a83505c6-77b3-44a6-b53b-73d77c
ba84c8 

 

How To Prevent Visual Studio 2012 ALL CAPS Menus! 

http://www.richard-banks.org/2012/06/how-to-prevent-visual-studio-2012-all.h
tml 

 

(it would be nice to be able revert Office2013 themes to something
attractive - instead., I have reverted it totally to Office2010)

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:52 PM
To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
Subject: VS2012 hacks

 

I'm discovering some hints on getting VS2012 to look half-decent again -
starting with getting rid of the ALL CAPS menu headings

 

How To Prevent Visual Studio 2012 ALL CAPS Menus!

http://www.richard-banks.org/2012/06/how-to-prevent-visual-studio-2012-all.h
tml 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

RE: VS2012 hacks

[Ian Thomas]

Greg, Greg - I put it down to the UIX guru / fiend that obviously exerted
great influence over the PMs and higher-ups in Microsoft. 

I can't stand Office 2013 - I appreciate some features, but find some of the
behaviours and the UI itself just counter-productive (ie, anti my
productivity). I don't think I am resistant to change. I removed it, in
favour of Office 2010 (incidentally, I never used Office2007 and took to the
ribbon OK). 

There is another VS2012 hack that I omitted - NiceVS. It overlaps with one
of the other hacks that I listed. 

NiceVS

http://visualstudiogallery.msdn.microsoft.com/a36021f0-770a-4258-854e-724e9d
12b8a6 

I hate to have to do these things. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Greg Keogh
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:30 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: VS2012 hacks

 

Ian (et al), I have also taken a lot of steps recently to restore old
colours and behaviour to recent Microsoft product releases. I don't normally
do that. We all expect complaints when new versions of products are
released, but in my experience the noise quickly drops away and people just
accept the changes and run with them. However, the amount of stubborn
resistance recently has been quite startling. Why is this happening?

 

Microsoft is dragging us all along with it on some sort of global style
change where there is less chrome, fewer borders, less saturated colour,
fewer lines, etc. Now I can honestly understand this because the eye and
brain work better with less clutter, but it all seems to have gone too far
(remember the first preview of Visual Studio 2012 that looked like a
charcoal etching?). Is there some department or research within Microsoft
that is driving this trend? Do they explain their reasoning? Where did they
recruit the drugged gibbons they put through the usability testing?

 

And then there's Windows 8 ...

 

Greg

RE: .Net based Email Newsletter

[Ian Thomas]

If MailChimp isn’t what you’re after, then how about SmartSerialMail 
http://www.jam-software.com/smartserialmail/  – by the same group that 
developed/markets a useful utility called TreeSize. 

 

It’s not .NET-based (it’s a stand-alone utility), but might be able to do what 
you want. You would need the Enterprise Edition ($US140) to handle bounces, 
etc, and to connect to your own SQL database. 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Iain Carlin
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:41 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: .Net based Email Newsletter

 

Thanks for the input.

Both MailChimp and Campaign monitor look good in terms of 
functionalitybutI'm not sure that our business is going to be happy to 
hand over 5,000 or so 'customer' email addresses to a 3rd party, no matter how 
secure they claim to be.

I'm definitely not looking to build, so is there an equivalent, self-hosted, 
off-the-shelf product that anyone has experience with?

[Note I used 'CRM' in quotes because it's not really a CRM, it's a Student 
Information System that just happens to also contain a bunch of email addresses 
for people that we regularly send email to].

On 13 June 2013 12:52, Andrew Coates (DPE AUSTRALIA) 
andrew.coa...@microsoft.com wrote:

+ 1 for buy over build

 

Have a look at  http://www.campaignmonitor.com/ Campaign Monitor too.

 

Cheers

 

Andrew Coates, ME, MCPD, MCSD MCTS, Developer Evangelist, Microsoft, 1 Epping 
Road, NORTH RYDE NSW 2113
Ph: +61 (2) 9870 2719 tel:%2B61%20%282%29%209870%202719  ∙ Mob +61 (416) 134 
993 tel:%2B61%20%28416%29%20134%20993  ∙ Fax: +61 (2) 9870 2400 
tel:%2B61%20%282%29%209870%202400  ∙  http://blogs.msdn.com/acoat 
http://blogs.msdn.com/acoat

Sent from the  http://office.com/preview new Office

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom
Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013 1:06 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: .Net based Email Newsletter

 

Agreed. Mailchimp seems to be the most common one that I receive mail from, and 
from reading it’s info, it looks well managed.

 

Regards,

 

Greg

 

Dr Greg Low

 

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 tel:%2B61%20419201410  
mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 tel:%2B61%203%208676%204913  fax 

SQL Down Under | Web:  http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Corneliu I. Tusnea
Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013 12:59 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: .Net based Email Newsletter

 

Why build? Why not use a proper newsletter system? MailChimp or any of the 
other million existing ones?

They are very good.

They can also give you some deliverability and open rate reports which can tell 
you if your newsletter have any value or they are simply money spend delivering 
noise.

They can also handle all the spam, take care of reputation and handle the 
unsubscribe process.

And I think it's cheaper to use such a service than spend days/weeks/months to 
build it :)

 

My 2 cents.

 

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:10 AM, ifum...@gmail.com wrote:

We used telerik editor to achieve this...and you could use something like 
mailbee to do the bulk email

 

Anthony

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Iain Carlin
Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013 10:02 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: .Net based Email Newsletter

 

G'day all,

We're looking for a solution to create a HTML newsletter with images and text 
that can be bulk emailed via SMTP to a list sourced from our 'CRM'.

We'd prefer something .Net based as that fits with everything else we have.

Has anyone got any recommendations?

Cheers,

Iain

 

 

VS2012 hacks

[Ian Thomas]

I'm discovering some hints on getting VS2012 to look half-decent again -
starting with getting rid of the ALL CAPS menu headings

 

How To Prevent Visual Studio 2012 ALL CAPS Menus!

http://www.richard-banks.org/2012/06/how-to-prevent-visual-studio-2012-all.h
tml 

 

  _  

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

RE: regex - how to remove questionmark

[Ian Thomas]

Hi Sam - yes, the \\ was my mis-remembering (I tried one \ which of course
is no good).  And the .Escape() method also escaped me. 

I had another regex difficulty (I'm hopelessly slow working out these), to
remove the extra zero from every matching line in a subrip (.SRT subtitle)
file - 

In the following,  the ,7600  should be ,760  and the ,5200 should be ,520
(etc) 

 

0

00:00:01,7600 -- 00:00:05,5200

For many, the 1950s were the

golden age of British motoring.

 

1

00:00:05,7200 -- 00:00:10,8400

Back then, driving was leisurely,

liberating and fun.

 

2

Being impatient, I used strings methods. I'm sure regex is at least 10 times
more concise, but it would have taken me a couple of hours to work out the
syntax! 



Ian Thomas

Victoria Park, Western Australia

 

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Sam Lai
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 12:10 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: regex - how to remove questionmark

 

You might have forgotten to add an @ in front of the string to

preserve the escape for the regexp engine. Alternatively, you could

use two slashes instead to escape the escape character so it reaches

the regexp engine.

 

string exp1 = @\?;

 

or

 

string exp2 = \\?;

 

On 6 June 2013 21:07, Ian Thomas  mailto:il.tho...@iinet.net.au
il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Yes, string.replace is good enough - there wouldn't be much processing

 penalty in what I'm doing.

 

 It's just annoying that I can't remember (or even find) how to do this in

 regex - I thought just escaping \ the ? would be the way.

 

 

 

 

 

 Ian Thomas

 Victoria Park, Western Australia