from:"Tom Rutter"

Re: Ozdotnet Ignite drinks?

2015-10-22 Thread Tom Rutter

Now you're just getting silly

On Friday, 23 October 2015, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com> wrote:

> Sure, and while they are at it they should give all delegates a Surface
> Book, 5 free t-shirts, and a hooker for the week.
>
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 at 11:28 Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> If Im paying 2000 for the event at the very least I'd expect an msdn sub
>> given to me
>>
>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','adotnetd...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> For 2k I could go live in Vietnam for several months
>>>
>>> On Friday, 23 October 2015, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyway $2k for an event? Give me a break
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad someone else feels that way. Back in the late 80s I worked for
>>>> a big company and was sent on week long junkets to conferences like this
>>>> (and loved it!). But now I work for myself, as attractive as this event is,
>>>> I'm more likely to buy a ticket for a trip into space with Richard Branson.
>>>> The cost will surely skew the demographics of the audience for such events
>>>> -- *GK*
>>>>
>>>

Re: [OT] WPF or Winforms?

2015-09-25 Thread Tom Rutter

I hope electron is not the direction we go

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Corneliu I. Tusnea <corne...@acorns.com.au>
wrote:

> Nope. They are dead. (As far as I'm concerned) unless you really really
> really really need to go down that crazy path.
>
> If you really really want a desktop app I'd look into
> http://electron.atom.io/ to run a cross-platform "desktop" app build with
> web technologies on top of Chrome.
> Atom editor is build like that. Visual Studio Code is build in a similar
> fashion but not on top of electron but pretty much identical process.
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone here still using winforms? Any reason to start new projects in
>> winforms over WPF? How far has WPF come in the last several years?
>>
>
>

[OT] WPF or Winforms?

2015-09-24 Thread Tom Rutter

Anyone here still using winforms? Any reason to start new projects in
winforms over WPF? How far has WPF come in the last several years?

Re: [OT] New laptop

2015-09-22 Thread Tom Rutter

Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always purchased
locally

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc) BUT
> stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when
> Microsoft first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all
> the correct tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..
>
>
>
> Here is a link to their US store:
> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would stop
> thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs
> available in Australia…
>
>
>
> Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their manufacturer?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Koster
> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>
>
>
> On 27 August 2015 at 19:28,  wrote:
>
> What’s peoples views on Lenovo ATM given there have been a few PR things
> happen in the last 12 months…? price v performance v reliability?
>
>
>
> Are you talking about Superfish?
>
>
>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/
>
>
>
> Consider how this could have happened and all the people who would have
> had to sign off on this. I'll let people make up their own minds about the
> competence and trustworthiness of Lenovo...
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thomas Koster
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Meski
>
>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>
>
> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>

Re: File upload component

2015-09-06 Thread Tom Rutter

Depends what you mean by best. Do you just need a simple file uploader?
Html5 ok? Fall back to flash? Drag and drop? Multi file upload? Progress
bar?

On Sunday, 6 September 2015, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> What's the best file upload component for an MVC5 app?
>
> Regards
>
> Greg
>
> Dr Greg Low
> SQL Down Under
> +61 419201410
> 1300SQLSQL (1300775775)
>

Re: [OT] New laptop

2015-08-27 Thread Tom Rutter

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:49 AM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 c# web dev mainly, 13-14 maybe 15, approx macbook pro weight.
 Considering macbook actually but no win key and higher price let me down


 Is the win key really a deal-breaker?   I don't find myself using it on a
 Windows machine.  OTOH, the 'feel' of MBP keyboards is a dealbreaker, if I
 use it all day I'm on a plug-in keyboard (and monitor (via thunderbolt))


 I actually use the win key a lot but can always remap the macbook keys I
guess. I guess I can adapt to any keyboard after a while




 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
 wrote:

 What are your requirements? Size? Weight? Workload?



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 August 2015 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 Tried out the surface and found it too small and awkward. Keyboard was a
 little annoying



 Cheers



 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've heard that the surface pro works really well with it.



 On 25 August 2015 at 22:01, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?



 Cheers









 --
 Meski

  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

 Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
 you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

Re: [OT] New laptop

2015-08-26 Thread Tom Rutter

c# web dev mainly, 13-14 maybe 15, approx macbook pro weight. Considering
macbook actually but no win key and higher price let me down

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

 What are your requirements? Size? Weight? Workload?



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 August 2015 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 Tried out the surface and found it too small and awkward. Keyboard was a
 little annoying



 Cheers



 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've heard that the surface pro works really well with it.



 On 25 August 2015 at 22:01, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?



 Cheers

Re: [OT] New laptop

2015-08-26 Thread Tom Rutter

If u dont mind me asking where did you buy it from?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
wrote:

 HP x360, Spectre that is.
 On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 5:33 pm, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
 wrote:

 I recently got a HP x360 (the pro version).
 512gb ssd. 8gb ram, qhd touch screen. What I like about it is that it's a
 laptop first that can flip around into tablet. Compared to surface pro
 which is tablet first that can be used like a laptop. Subtle but important
 difference (for me).
 Also it's mistaken for a MacBook because of its aluminium build. Great
 battery but not the 12.5 hrs they claim on their advertising. (It never
 is!)
 Really happy with it. Only thing I'd change would be dark keys not
 silver. If you put backlight on keys during the day you can't see the
 letters. My only complaint. Oh more ram as an option but 8gb is highest
 they go which is enough but always love more
 On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 2:45 pm, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 c# web dev mainly, 13-14 maybe 15, approx macbook pro weight.
 Considering macbook actually but no win key and higher price let me down


 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
 wrote:

 What are your requirements? Size? Weight? Workload?



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 August 2015 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 Tried out the surface and found it too small and awkward. Keyboard was
 a little annoying



 Cheers



 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've heard that the surface pro works really well with it.



 On 25 August 2015 at 22:01, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?



 Cheers

Re: [OT] New laptop

2015-08-26 Thread Tom Rutter

I can't see the top model anywhere but HP site. Also found a discount code
so can get 15% off making the $2400 one down to $2040

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
wrote:

 Harvey Norman. I had an old Samsung that died 2 1/2 years after I bought
 it and I had their new for old warranty. I don't usually get the in store
 warranties but for some reason I had. I basically got in store credit for
 an equivalent spec'd machine. I added some extra ($500) to bring the specs
 up the the top model and was kind of impressed with that warranty so got it
 again on the new one. (this time around it's not for equivalent spec, its
 the original purchase price as store credit which is better because the
 specs get better over time but the price seems to stay constant).
 I think JB-HiFi also have that laptop but the QHD screen version might be
 exclusive to Harvey Norman (or it was at the time?)

 On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 at 07:24 Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 If u dont mind me asking where did you buy it from?


 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
  wrote:

 HP x360, Spectre that is.
 On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 5:33 pm, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
 wrote:

 I recently got a HP x360 (the pro version).
 512gb ssd. 8gb ram, qhd touch screen. What I like about it is that it's
 a laptop first that can flip around into tablet. Compared to surface pro
 which is tablet first that can be used like a laptop. Subtle but important
 difference (for me).
 Also it's mistaken for a MacBook because of its aluminium build. Great
 battery but not the 12.5 hrs they claim on their advertising. (It never
 is!)
 Really happy with it. Only thing I'd change would be dark keys not
 silver. If you put backlight on keys during the day you can't see the
 letters. My only complaint. Oh more ram as an option but 8gb is highest
 they go which is enough but always love more
 On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 at 2:45 pm, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 c# web dev mainly, 13-14 maybe 15, approx macbook pro weight.
 Considering macbook actually but no win key and higher price let me down


 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
 wrote:

 What are your requirements? Size? Weight? Workload?



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 August 2015 10:06 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop



 Tried out the surface and found it too small and awkward. Keyboard
 was a little annoying



 Cheers



 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've heard that the surface pro works really well with it.



 On 25 August 2015 at 22:01, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?



 Cheers

[OT] New laptop

2015-08-25 Thread Tom Rutter

Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?

Cheers

Re: [OT] New laptop

2015-08-25 Thread Tom Rutter

Tried out the surface and found it too small and awkward. Keyboard was a
little annoying

Cheers

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've heard that the surface pro works really well with it.

 On 25 August 2015 at 22:01, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here got a new win 10 laptop lately? Recommendations?

 Cheers

Re: Last words on AngularJS

2015-08-24 Thread Tom Rutter

Yeh but is it the best use of time to have the same dev do it all? We have
dedicated front end people here that knock amazing stuff up in a day that
would take me at least a week and even then my stuff wouldn't be even
remotely as well structured as theirs. It's the old jack of all trades
master of none argument. Whatever happened to separation of concerns?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
wrote:

 Yeah, I've heard it said that .Net (ie Microsoft) had for a long time
 tried to shield you from having to learn Javascript. Webforms and Asp.Net
 protects you from having to learn all that horrible web stuff. MCV took a
 step to get you closer to the browser, and I think it's a good thing.
 So given everything is moving towards the Web (for now) and away from the
 desktop it's something (for good or bad) that you need to learn. I love
 working with Javascript and have not mastered it. I can find my way
 eventually.
 I love the learning part of development and often find how things don't
 work how you expect to be frustrating. Unfortunately its usually due to a
 lack of proper understanding that makes it not work how you expect.
 Anyway, once you do figure something out that's where you get
 satisfaction. But yeah, totally get why if feels like a dogs breakfast
 along the way. Probably because it is!
 Its like finding out the aircraft you are flying in is held together by
 gaffa tape and coathangers! (most of the web is!)


 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:28 AM, Bec C bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote:

 IMO most .net devs won't really be happy doing any JS, via a library or
 not. We just want to do the .net code and leave the front end to someone
 else. Just like the Silverlight evangelists promised. Don't see that
 happening though. Everyone seems to want a full stack developer now...and
 I'm struggling.


 On Tuesday, 25 August 2015, Paul Glavich subscripti...@theglavs.com
 wrote:

 Greg and others,



 One of Javascript’s strength is also it’s weakness. You can do literally
 anything with it. It is one of the most flexible and adaptable languages
 there is. This (IMHO) is one of the reasons it is popular. With that, many
 people twist and change it to what they think is best, and there are plenty
 of differing opinions, so here we are.



 As industry experts/veterans, it is always a challenge to look at the
 good parts of a framework/approach and:

 a)  Accept the bad bits and use it

 b)  Accept only the good bits and augment so that the bad bits are
 mitigated

 c)   Watch and provide input to try and steer
 communities/frameworks/languages in the desired direction

 d)  Do it all using the basic accepted tools currently available.
 This means things like just plain js/ jQuery/ES6(maybe using things like
 babel) etc.



 It is all in flux right now hence my call to wait it out for a bit
 (which libraries gain community momentum). To expect a strict guidance on
 how to do things in a particular framework for a large application is
 always going to be contentious in our field because of the “it depends”
 clause. There is no one way. The fact that you have had to research
 something quite a bit should at the very last have helped you form a much
 leaner and clearer picture of what you want, which can feed into the
 constant decision process as well as design.



 It is not easy but do not get too hung up on getting the perfect way via
 a particular tool (analysis paralysis). Pick the best possible that you
 think applies to you, weigh the risks and commit.  The rest you can tailor
 to what you want. Final note: On a current project we are using Angular,
 however there are legacy elements still working fine but using
 prototype.js. Point being, at the end of the day, if you are just using
 plan old JS (whether via a particular library) it will continue to work for
 a long long time.



 -  Glav



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Halid
 *Sent:* Monday, 24 August 2015 9:23 PM
 *To:* 'ozDotNet' ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* RE: Last words on AngularJS



 In the world according to Github Javascript is now the number 1 popular
 programming language used in their repositories. Might be due to all the
 Javascript frameworks out thereJ.

 It is also interesting to see the climb of Java from 7th to 2nd over
 the last 7 years.



 https://github.com/blog/2047-language-trends-on-github







 *Regards*



 *Adrian Halid*



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
 mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Keogh
 *Sent:* Monday, 24 August 2015 6:26 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: Last words on AngularJS



 Paul, most of what you said actually supports my anguish over the
 lottery of kits, tools, packages and standards (ha!) and fads in the
 JavaScript ecosystem.



 Over the last week or more since I expressed my dismay, I've been
 reading more and

Re: MVC Redirect and Async Operations

2015-08-02 Thread Tom Rutter

How did you end up doing it Greg?

On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) g...@greglow.com wrote:

 And implemented and working like a charm. Thanks all.



 Regards,



 Greg



 Dr Greg Low



 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
 fax

 SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com



 *From:* Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)
 *Sent:* Saturday, 1 August 2015 6:26 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* RE: MVC Redirect and Async Operations



 Thanks guys. Makes sense.



 Regards,



 Greg



 Dr Greg Low



 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
 fax

 SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [
 mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Corneliu I. Tusnea
 *Sent:* Saturday, 1 August 2015 6:13 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
 *Subject:* Re: MVC Redirect and Async Operations



 Task(()= { ... do stuff }).Start()





 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) g...@greglow.com
 wrote:

 One for the MVC brains trust if I can:



 I want to add some basic link redirection and logging to a test MVC site.
 So, for example, if I have a calls like:



 http://www.mytestsite.com/links/10123

 http://www.mytestsite.com/links/10939



 I want to redirect the caller to some other URL associated with each link
 number. All easy enough.



 However, I also want to log details to my database about that
 call/redirection and that’s where the issue arises.



 · I don’t want the redirection to wait synchronously for the DB
 call to complete.

 · If the logging didn’t work, I still want the redirection to
 occur.



 I’m presuming that as soon as I return a Response.Redirect or
 Response.RedirectToAction, etc, etc. that I can’t then execute code
 afterwards in the same call. I’ve wondered about starting an async DB
 operation and just not waiting for it to complete.



 Any suggestions on how best to achieve that outcome? Is some sort of
 ActionFilter a better option?



 Thanks in advance,



 Regards,



 Greg



 Dr Greg Low



 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
 fax

 SQL Down Under | Web: *www.sqldownunder.com http://www.sqldownunder.com*

Re: Amusing story

2015-07-02 Thread Tom Rutter

Reminds me of a time I worked for a big phone company and someone (note i
don't say accidentally or by mistake here) sent the client evidence of them
being ripped off

On Thursday, 2 July 2015, David Richards ausdot...@davidsuniverse.com
wrote:

 Spam aside (innuendo not intended), that's a pretty big mistake to be
 sending the wrong data.  People get fired for that sort of thing.  I'd also
 be a bit worried about privacy and security with them.

 This is why I check what I'm sending several times... and who I'm sending
 to.

 David

 If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!
  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama

 On 2 July 2015 at 14:54, Grant Maw grant@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','grant@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Guys

 Not really a .net specific post, but I thought I'd share anyway.

 I'm working on a database at the moment that is used to record heart
 rates and other biometric data in high intensity exercise scenarios.

 We're working with an offshore company, creating what is essentially a
 copy of part of their existing database, with modifications to suit our
 particular requirements. The guy at the other end said he would give me a
 database diagram together with a dump of the relevant data into Excel so
 that I could see how it all hangs together.

 First off, he tried to shoehorn the data from about 20 different SQL
 tables into a single spreadsheet. Not a workbook with multiple sheets, a
 single sheet.

 I could probably live with that, except he grabbed the wrong data before
 he sent it to me. Instead of heart rate and respiratory data, I got a set
 of tables that provided links to porn sites and sex videos, handbag sales,
 pharmaceuticals, products made from Canadian geese, hair loss tonics,
 gambling sites, horse racing, Viagra and Cialis, and a variety of other
 things.

 It was clearly a data set that is used as the basis for a spam sending
 application. Talk about busted!

 I should be pissed off with them for wasting my time, but I'm laughing
 too hard. Needless to say I'll not be taking anything they say seriously
 from now on!

 Cheers

 Grant

Re: MEF - Microsoft Extension Framework. Opinions requested.

2015-05-27 Thread Tom Rutter

Hey Davy
Never used MEF but I've come across similar people and the norm for us now
is to get the person pushing for something to create a sample and show the
rest of the team the benefits. Sometimes (rarely) we all learn something
good but most of the time the dev gives up hahaha

All the best

On Wednesday, 27 May 2015, David Rhys Jones djones...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

  I recently joined a new team and one of the Developpers is one of those
 guys that likes to complicate things for the hell of it.

 The current technology he is trying to push is  MEF (Extension Framework)
 with every web page / section in a new plugin.

 Can I have some opinions on what it's really like to use MEF.

 Thanks
 Davy

 *Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes*.

Re: Peer-to-Peer

2015-04-27 Thread Tom Rutter

Yep usually a service is the answer. Hard to tell though without knowing
Greg's whole picture

On Monday, 27 April 2015, David Rhys Jones djones...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've looked at them before, expecting exactly the same thing as you Greg.

 As far as I can tell, it still needs a central server to store the names.
 So the point of all that horrible complexity escapes me.

 I ended up scrapping everything that I had done with the p2p classes, and
 wrote a small web service to cache the names.
 My clients look for the web service in the local Ip address range and
 connect to it. The actual p2p code that I wrote to do the communication
 between processes was also scrapped and written as a web service that
 stores messages and routes when the requesting client asks for information.
 I'm still experimenting with it, at the moment I've got 4 raspberry pi's,
 4x Windows PC and an old linux machine processing messages.



 *Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes*.


 On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','g...@mira.net'); wrote:

 I may be a bit slow this afternoon but what do you have (what sort of
 clients and environment) and what do you want to do (have them chat?)?


 I read a few pages of the P2P chapter and I realise that my original
 question is a bit wonky. The P2P classes do not provide a means of
 communication per se, they seem to be mostly related to registration and
 discovery, which is done through a Windows service. Peer apps register
 themselves with an ID, a port and a naming convention, then they can
 discover each other, but after that the ball is in your court.

 It looks like the P2P classes just help all the peers find each other,
 then it's up to you to use the port and ID you find to start communicating
 in an appropriate manner, whatever you choose that to be.

 So it doesn't really work the way I naively expected, and may not be
 appropriate for my simple needs of everyone broadcasting to everyone else
 (a kind of chat I guess!).

 However, I have more reading to go and if I find anything startling I'll
 let you know.

 *Greg K*

Re: Peer-to-Peer

2015-04-27 Thread Tom Rutter

I may be a bit slow this afternoon but what do you have (what sort of
clients and environment) and what do you want to do (have them chat?)?

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Folks, I'm just wondering if anyone here has used P2P Networking. Chapter
 45 of the old book Professional C# 4 and .NET 4
 http://www.wrox.com/WileyCDA/WroxTitle/Professional-C-4-0-and-NET-4.productCd-0470502258.html
 devotes 17 pages to the subject, but I won't have time to read it until
 bedtime tonight.

 Why I ask is ... I'm looking for a painless way of getting multiple
 components of an app suite to freely broadcast messages amongst themselves.
 I've used UDP for this before, but it has size limits and you have to deal
 with low level things like multiple MAC address and so forth.

 At a glance, P2P looks promising for free broadcasting, but it seems to
 require configuration of the environment for discovery and resolution.
 Perhaps there are other techniques I'm not aware of.

 *Greg K*

Re: Push to web clients

2015-04-07 Thread Tom Rutter

Not sure about the server side 2012 requirements but signalr drops to
polling iframes etc if websockets are not available I think.

On Wednesday, 8 April 2015, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 Folks, our ASP.NET app can submit a job to the server for processing
 which can take up to a minute or so. We've been looking at ways the client
 can see progress on the server-side: * AJAX script could poll at
 intervals by calling a web service method * A kit like SignalR could push
 notifications to the client. SignalR is of course the most elegant and
 attractive option, but HERE
 http://www.asp.net/signalr/overview/getting-started/supported-platforms
 I see this note about using WebSockets as the preferred transport:

 *... Note that for SignalR to use WebSockets, Windows Server 2012 or
 Windows 8 is required (WebSocket can be used on Windows Azure Web Sites, as
 long as the site's .NET framework version is set to 4.5, and Web Sockets is
 enabled in the site's Configuration page).*

 We don't have a 2012 server or Win8 dev machine at the moment. Using Azure
 is a future possibility but we'd have to investigate how to deploy a
 Kentico http://www.kentico.com/ site to Azure. So there are many
 irritating overlapping issues to get SignalR working.

 Any general comments on this web server push idea this would be welcome.

 *Greg K*

Re: Push to web clients

2015-04-07 Thread Tom Rutter

Don't even get me started on javascript. I feel just as dirty using
javascript as I did with silverlight version 1. God save us

On Wednesday, 8 April 2015, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 SignalR will still work without WebSockets, it will fall back to long
 polling I believe.


 I created the demo app that broadcasts a fake stock ticker. I ran it
 locally on my Win7 dev machine, then I deployed it to Azure. Fiddler
 traffic shows that messages are very similar for each scenario and I can
 see signalr in the messages as well as longPolling. I expected to see
 different sorts of traffic because it thought it would fallback on my local
 machine, however they both look roughly the same. Oh well, at least I have
 proof it works in some mystical way.

 The code and scripts that make the demo work are obtuse, cryptic, verbose
 and fragile, and you'd have to take a bit of time to study how it works and
 get a comfortable feel for it. This confirms my distaste for writing
 anything with JavaScript involved ... it's the joke of the century. Once
 day when I'm an old head-in-a-jar and someone has finally made the web
 function properly, we'll look back and laugh and say I can't believe we
 made that junk work!.

 *Greg K*

Re: [OT] Data Retention Bill

2015-03-26 Thread Tom Rutter

I don't know about at least it was nice to see Libs and Labs finally
cooperate on something, anything. That's like Hitler and Stalin agreeing
on something.

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

 So the bill has passed, opposed by everyone but the two major parties. Oh
 well, it's not all bad, as at least it was nice to see Libs and Labs
 finally cooperate on something, anything, and I'm sure they know what's
 best for us! Now, I don't want my metadata, or anything tracked by the
 government, and perhaps there are others in here who feel the same way.
 Senator Ian McDonald said that if you have nothing to hide then you having
 nothing to worry about, but I would urge him to go to Brandis' bookshelves
 and look for a book on the 20th history of Europe to see if that changes
 his mind.

 There are many overlapping questions here ... Exactly what is being
 stored? Who stores the metadata where? How is the data protected? Who can
 access it? How much will it cost the end users?

 I learned in a radio interview this week that metadata for offshore
 webmail accounts like Gmail and Hotmail cannot be retained by Australian
 ISPs (I hope this is true). I presume that Australian officials will have
 to jump through unchanged hoops to request information about such accounts
 and activity, and I hope these hoops are reasonably narrow.

 I'm not sure if they're planning to retain web browsing data, does anyone
 know? If so, rumours have it that using a foreign VPN is the easiest way
 around this. If so again, is it not too much of a burden to setup and run?

 I reckon it would be cheaper if the Australian government just paid for a
 live data fed from Facebook and Google, as they already know more about us
 than the NSA.

 TGIF, Greg

Re: Azure and security trust

2015-02-25 Thread Tom Rutter

+1 for Greg.

This reminds me of a time we pranked the *head security guy* at a company I
worked for and easily convinced him to give us some private details like
his home address, car rego and so on.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Greg Low (博士低格雷格) g...@greglow.com wrote:

I do find it amusing when I hear these stories though, where companies
think the data is safer or more secure or more private on premises than
somewhere like Azure.

On their worst day the Azure guys will do a better job of this stuff than
any company I’ve walked in to, and I’ve been to a lot. I see what people do
in the real world and it isn’t pretty.

But even in terms of intrusion, does anyone really think the company that
they work for will do a better job of detecting intrusion than one of these
datacentres?

Or alternately, they are assuming that their own datacentres will be more
bullet-proof when it comes to intruders. Lots of luck with that.

In the future, I suspect that the tables will turn completely. The
required standards for privacy and security will likely be raised
significantly, and these datacentres will be the first places to meet the
requirements.

Regards,

Greg

Dr Greg Low

1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
fax

SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com

*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Tobin
*Sent:* Wednesday, 25 February 2015 4:30 PM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Azure and security trust

One alternative that I haven't looked into much at all, so take this with
a grain of salt - is to have anything identifying on a local network,
firewalled, and accessible via a site-to-site VPN connection to an Azure
hosted server. Like I said, I haven't looked at what an implementation
would take, but if you could create a firewalled, safe, tunnel to your data
hosted on prem, and other data in the cloud - then it's an option?

http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/documentation/articles/virtual-networks-create-site-to-site-cross-premises-connectivity/

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote:

Folks, I have a demo SQL database in Azure and it's working nicely, but
now we have to consider how to get it into production use. My demo DB
doesn't contain any real names and addresses, but the live DB will have
information about hospital patients, and you can imagine how confidential
that is! I'm told they will demand the DB be stored on hospital managed
servers, which is a damn nuisance in reality as I'm sure many of you know
how tedious it can be trying to break through walls of bureaucracy around
IT departments in places like hospitals and the government.

This opens up the whole issues of trust and the cloud. Since the Snowden
revelations, I don't know how anyone with confidential data can trust cloud
storage. Even I don't trust it and all of my backups in Rackspace and Azure
blobs are pkzipc AES encrypted. So how on earth could a hospital be
convinced that cloud store is an attractive option?

I just remembered that Amazon has a special area that is certified secure
so they can get government contracts. I haven't seen anything like that in
Azure. Despite that, it doesn't make me feel much better, as we now know
the NSA was intercepting hardware and bugging it, and coercing huge telcos
to put splitters in the backbones, and using secret FISA orders to threaten
other even huger companies to secretly hand over their records. So who the
hell can trust anyone in the cloud?!

Is anyone dealing in this sort of cloud/trust business at the moment?
What's the state of play? is there any hope? Am I just paranoid? (who's
monitoring this email?)

*Greg K*

Re: Opinions sought on Xamarin

2014-10-23 Thread Tom Rutter

+1 for big leaning curve. Played around with it a bit few years ago then
didn't touch it til a few months ago and I was lost like never before. That
said, the Xamarin people have added so much to it now so stability is
probably much better now

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote:


 ... but that said, Xamarin is pretty heavy weight, it's s big learning
 curve.. if you want something lightweight and 'pretty' good you should try
 out Ionic...




 On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Michael Ridland rid...@gmail.com wrote:


 Go Xamarin it's the best! (Opinion may be bias www.michaelridland.com)

 Traditional Xamarin (Native API) as the platform is awesome and solid and
 fast, the IDE and some of the tools around it can be a bit buggy.
 Xamarin.Forms is pretty early, and can be frustrating but I have build some
 XPlat app pretty rapidly with it.

 Actually I'm doing a 'Introduction to Xamarin' at SydMobile in a few
 weeks, you should come along I'd love to answer any questions you have.
 http://www.meetup.com/SydMobile/

 Below is a unpublished blog post on why you should use Xamarin...

 *Should I use Xamarin for Mobile Development? YES you should!*

 In my opinion you'd be insane if you didn't use Xamarin for mobile
 development. Many people don't know what they're missing out on by not
 using Xamarin so I'm going to highlight some reasons I think people
 should be using Xamarin.
 1) It's Native but with 80%+ code share?

 So for those that aren't aware of Xamarin or how it works, Xamarin allows
 you to develop apps for iOS, Android and Mac from a single code base. When
 I say this I don't mean in a webview or customised API, it actually usesthe
 Native APIs. So when developing you use UITableView which is the same
 API that a native developer would be using.
 2) C# and F# are Modern languages

 C# might not be the hipster language of the year it is a continually
 evolving language with solid features like type interference, dynamic
 types,  language integrated query (LINQ), async/await and first class
 functions. C# is designed for developing large robust applications.

 And for the functional types there's F#, which from what I've been told
 it's like scala but faster and better thought out.

 I'd argue they're better languages than java, javascript and
 objective-c... and seeing that they're currently the only languages with
 built in async you could say their even better than swift...
 3) async/await

 .. 'wait but javascript is all async' i hear you say...  C#/F#
 async/await is different to what people normally think async is. C#/F#
 async/await tackles the callback hell problems in rich clients, anyone who
 works with rich clients will know of these problems. This is a problem
 that's attempted to be solved with promises and generators but neither are
 at the level of async/await.

 Here's a little before/after sample:

 *Before:*

 doAsync1(function () {

   doAsync2(function () {

  doAsync3(function () {

 doAsync4(function () {
   })
  })
})
 })

 *After:*

 await doAsync1()
 await doAsync2()
 await doAsync3()
 await doAsync4()
 4) Watches, Google Glass wearables and the future of devices.

 In case you haven't noticed the future isn't just mobiles it's wearables,
 devices and IOT. Xamarin has same day support for all these platforms
 including android wear, google glass, Amazon TV and more. As I've said
 beforeXamarin uses the Native APIs and compiles down to native so using
 Xamarin you're in the perfect position develop all modern platforms.
 5) It's ready now!

 All the time I hear people say 'html is a fast moving target' or 'it will
 get there eventually'. Xamarin is here now, it's Native and it's cross
 platform. Why wait to have a great app when you can have it now and as a
 bonus know that your application is future proof for future devices.
 6) It's fast and stable

 From personal experience the Xamarin traditional (Xamarin.iOS and 
 Xamarin.Android)
 platform is solid, fast and stable. You'd be hard pressed to find a problem
 with the core parts of the platform, any app bugs will probably be your own
 bugs.
 7) Documentation

 The documentation for Xamarin is solid, it's generally better than the
 Apple and Android documentation.
 8) Xamarin.Forms

 So how about 100% codeshare and still be Native? Xamarin.Forms allows
 you to program against a single API and have that single API mapped to
 native controls on each platform. Hanselman describes it well, 'Write Once
 Run Everywhere AND Be Native'.

 It's still early days for the product but the top component developers
 like Telerik and DevExpress are already developing components for Xamarin
 .Forms.
 9) It's the best of all worlds (Hybrid and Native)

 If you've taken a look at my Xamarin mashup blog
 http://www.michaelridland.com/mobile/asp-net-mvc-xamarin-mashups/ you'd
 already know that the possibilities with Xamarin are vast, you can
 essential create your own Cordova and

Re: [OT] Mini portable desktop

2014-10-17 Thread Tom Rutter

Nah one that I can take to work and back

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

  You want a small desktop device – one for home and one for work?



 Gigabyte Brix, Intel NUC, Apple Mac Mini all spring to mind.



 Cheers

 Ken



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Friday, 17 October 2014 4:36 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* [OT] Mini portable desktop



 Hey all

 Following on from the post regarding running windows on a mac I'm now
 considering just getting a mini desktop (the mini-er the better) for myself
 given I have a monitor at both work and home and don't really use it
 anywhere else. The smaller the better and don't need any super powers, 4gig
 ram is plenty for what i do but would like ssd.  Any recommendations?

Re: [OT] Mini portable desktop

2014-10-17 Thread Tom Rutter

Yeah good idea for the extra power supply. Just considering my options atm.
Wife was after the macbook and I was after a windows laptop but can't
afford both so thought this might be an option to cut costs a bit

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

  Most of these small devices will have a power brick etc, so not that
 portable…might be portable if you get a spare power supply for both home
 and work.



 Why not a laptop?



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Friday, 17 October 2014 5:02 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: [OT] Mini portable desktop



 Nah one that I can take to work and back



 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
 wrote:

  You want a small desktop device – one for home and one for work?



 Gigabyte Brix, Intel NUC, Apple Mac Mini all spring to mind.



 Cheers

 Ken



 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Friday, 17 October 2014 4:36 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* [OT] Mini portable desktop



 Hey all

 Following on from the post regarding running windows on a mac I'm now
 considering just getting a mini desktop (the mini-er the better) for myself
 given I have a monitor at both work and home and don't really use it
 anywhere else. The smaller the better and don't need any super powers, 4gig
 ram is plenty for what i do but would like ssd.  Any recommendations?

[OT] Mini portable desktop

2014-10-16 Thread Tom Rutter

Hey all
Following on from the post regarding running windows on a mac I'm now
considering just getting a mini desktop (the mini-er the better) for myself
given I have a monitor at both work and home and don't really use it
anywhere else. The smaller the better and don't need any super powers, 4gig
ram is plenty for what i do but would like ssd.  Any recommendations?

Re: [OT] Windows on Macbook

2014-10-14 Thread Tom Rutter

MS should have done that instead of making the Surface :p

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
wrote:

 Man, if Apple one day released a Mac laptop with a Windows keyboard they'd
 make a killing. But that'd be like admitting their OS is crap and they
 would never give up control over the software side of things. But
 seriously. Imagine a Win Book Pro. I'd so buy one and put windows on it.
 Not having a Del key drives me spare. Its one key for gods sake. Why do I
 miss it so much?


 +61 (0) 428 028 599
 step...@lythixdesigns.com
 @lythixdesigns | @lyynx
 www.lythixdesigns.com
 www.linkedin.com/in/lyynx

 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I've been running windows on macs since vista .. Even at Microsoft I had
 an iMac and MacBook Pro  and have never had issues with the setup except
 sometimes boot camp and sound drivers can be hit n miss around release time
 ..

 Performance wise I run parallels/win8 daily and it has no issues with
 Visual Studio/Blend either .. Well none for me anyway

 On Monday, 13 October 2014, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey all
 Anybody here have a macbook running windows? Thinking of going down this
 path coz I can't decide on any other laptop/ultrabook



 --
 ---
 Regards,
 Scott Barnes
 http://www.riagenic.com

[OT] Windows on Macbook

2014-10-13 Thread Tom Rutter

Hey all
Anybody here have a macbook running windows? Thinking of going down this
path coz I can't decide on any other laptop/ultrabook

[OT] Windows phone recommendation

2014-07-03 Thread Tom Rutter

Anyone here have a Windows phone they're happy with and can recommend?
Had an iPhone so far but am handing it down to my nephew and might try
something else. Don't want a fablet either :p

Cheers

Re: [OT] Surface Pro for a bit of coding?

2013-08-01 Thread Tom Rutter

Yup he'll just use it with external stuff at home and as a tablet
elsewhere. More expensive than I assumed. $1024 for 128gb pro and only $100
less for 64gb.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Corneliu I. Tusnea
corne...@acorns.com.auwrote:

 Tom,

 I researched this a bit and seems to be a very viable option:

 http://www.wintellect.com/blogs/jrobbins/visual-studio-and-the-surface-pro-great-news-and-not-so-great-news
 http://mobile.dzone.com/articles/my-surface-pro-review

 Apparently you should really use a good keyboard of the Type Cover.

 I'm thinking of buying one as well but not right now



 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone here had any bad experience running VS on a Surface Pro? My son
 has been dabbling with code for a while and now wants to get more into VS.
 He wants a Surface but needs a new desktop at home so I was thinking of
 killing two birds with one stone. Already have the external monitor and co.

Re: [OT] Notebook

2013-07-24 Thread Tom Rutter

Any cons you've noticed for the XPS 13? The reviews indicate flaky wifi and
poor battery life.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote:

Wow, you could buy just about anything and you'll have a major upgrade if
you are going from an 7 year old laptop.

I recently got a Dell XPS 13 ultrabook for about $1400 (added in the
essential 3 year warranty thing or it would have been less than that).
Light, good CPU, SSD, and 8Gb ram. 13 inch screen but mini display out can
plug into any screen with a displayport for kickarse resolutions. (will
drive your 2560x1440 screens, thats what I've tested it on anyway).

My dev laptop (when not working on client hardware) is a gaming laptop.

http://www.tech4u.com.au/asus-g75vw-t1443h-173-i7-3630qm-16gb-1tb-windows-8-p359995.html

Its a G75VW. Wow the price has come down heaps now there is a newer
model...

http://www.tech4u.com.au/asus-g750jx-t4134h-173-i7-windows-8-gaming-notebook--p383552.html

4.8Kg is the only downside. :)
Best laptop I've owned in years... really happy with it. Damnit, now i'm
drooling over the new updated model. *shakes fist*

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

My notebook of almost 7 years has died a tragic death. RIP.
What's the go on notebooks these days? I used to just go straight to Dell
and choose something but haven't looked for years so don't want to go down
the wrong path if things have changed.

Don't need anything crazy- 4GB ram was fine but I hear 8GB is the norm
now, solid state I guess as I've never had one of those, windows os
obviously- win8? not sure never used it, and of course visual studio- i
currently use a single instance of 2010 running at any time but I guess I
may upgrade to the latest version whatever that is or just use the free
express versions I need. :-)

Any recommendations? Price willing to spend? $1200?

Cheers

Re: Winforms\WIndows Service

2013-07-22 Thread Tom Rutter

Does it need to run even when no user is logged in?
If not, then you could just create a gui app as required and add it to the
Windows startup list. Much cleaner and using the features already built
into Windows.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:43 PM, ifum...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have gui that provides extra functionality when required but  installed
 as service so a reboot doesn’t affect operation.

 ** **

 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
 *Sent:* Monday, 22 July 2013 3:26 PM

 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: Winforms\WIndows Service

 ** **

 Yeh I maintained an app back in the day that did this for debugging
 purposes. Just had 2 code paths. Don't really need it though. I can't think
 of a reason you would need this off the top of my head.

 On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:13 AM, ifum...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found some code a while back that allowed me to have an application that
 could run as a service or a  winform interface…anyone done this before?***
 *

  

  

 Anthony

  

  

 ** **

Re: Winforms\WIndows Service

2013-07-21 Thread Tom Rutter

Yeh I maintained an app back in the day that did this for debugging
purposes. Just had 2 code paths. Don't really need it though. I can't think
of a reason you would need this off the top of my head.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:13 AM, ifum...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found some code a while back that allowed me to have an application that
 could run as a service or a  winform interface…anyone done this before?***
 *

 ** **

 ** **

 Anthony

 ** **

 ** **

Re: [OT] Notebook

2013-07-14 Thread Tom Rutter

Anyone bought from www.affordablelaptops.com.au before?

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Tom Rutter therut...@gmail.com wrote:

 My notebook of almost 7 years has died a tragic death. RIP.
 What's the go on notebooks these days? I used to just go straight to Dell
 and choose something but haven't looked for years so don't want to go down
 the wrong path if things have changed.

 Don't need anything crazy- 4GB ram was fine but I hear 8GB is the norm
 now, solid state I guess as I've never had one of those, windows os
 obviously- win8? not sure never used it, and of course visual studio- i
 currently use a single instance of 2010 running at any time but I guess I
 may upgrade to the latest version whatever that is or just use the free
 express versions I need. :-)

 Any recommendations? Price willing to spend? $1200?

 Cheers

[OT] Notebook

2013-07-12 Thread Tom Rutter

My notebook of almost 7 years has died a tragic death. RIP.
What's the go on notebooks these days? I used to just go straight to Dell
and choose something but haven't looked for years so don't want to go down
the wrong path if things have changed.

Don't need anything crazy- 4GB ram was fine but I hear 8GB is the norm now,
solid state I guess as I've never had one of those, windows os obviously-
win8? not sure never used it, and of course visual studio- i currently use
a single instance of 2010 running at any time but I guess I may upgrade to
the latest version whatever that is or just use the free express versions I
need. :-)

Any recommendations? Price willing to spend? $1200?

Cheers

Re: [OT] Notebook

2013-07-12 Thread Tom Rutter

Thanks Stephen. Will have a look at the xps. Any other trustworthy sites
besides those for buying? There's so many