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Dell venue 8. The Nokia was an impulse buy. I had a 920 for a while but switched to android. When I saw the new 6 inch I thought I'd give it another shot. Its improved a lot and the screen is really nice. Happy until my next impulse switch Sent from Windows Mail From: ILT (O) Sent: Saturday, 8 February 2014 1:53 PM To: ozDotNet Stephen, remind me: what is your 8” tablet? And why did you choose the 6” Lumia phone (1320), over say the 920/925 or the 1020? Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 2:09 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Personally, I don't care what's on my phone. Its all just a mirror of whats in the cloud anyway. I could destroy my phone (or lose it) and wouldn't lose anything except for the device itself. The whole thing about whats better is all well and good. I like there are multiple platforms, it keeps everyone trying. They all get better over time and everyone wins. Right now i'm 100% Microsoft devices (still have a couple of Android devices that are still current but hardly use them). That may well change in the future, I won't promise anything. Friend of mine spec'd up a fancy gaming laptop ($8000 worth) and I said, specs sound pretty good but if you spend the $8k now it will be worth $1k in 1 to 2 years. Which is exciting because it means in a couple of years the power of devices will be another leap on what they are. Exciting times. My favourite device is still my 8 tablet with windows 8.1 on it. So sweet being able to carry around a computer not much larger than my phone (remember I have a 6 phone lol) that can be plugged into screen and keyboard and function like a full PC. It makes me want to squeel with glee. :) On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: From the earlier link (about 1/3 of the way down) Notes Your phone will wait for a WiFi connection to automatically save backups. If you don't connect to WiFi for a week, any changes to your App list and settings will be saved using a mobile data connection. Backup saves the apps on your phone, but it doesn't save any data associated with the apps. Start will reset to its default set of pinned Tiles when you restore. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 4:18 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Looking further into the WP8 backup, this paints an even worse picture than I’d imagined: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php
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You must have the Lumia 1520 (better screen, SD card, more storage). What options did you add to the Dell Venue 8 – keyboard on the 64Gb, I guess – what else? _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2014 10:29 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Dell venue 8. The Nokia was an impulse buy. I had a 920 for a while but switched to android. When I saw the new 6 inch I thought I'd give it another shot. Its improved a lot and the screen is really nice. Happy until my next impulse switch Sent from Windows Mail From: ILT (O) mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com Sent: Saturday, 8 February 2014 1:53 PM To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Stephen, remind me: what is your 8” tablet? And why did you choose the 6” Lumia phone (1320), over say the 920/925 or the 1020? _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 2:09 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Personally, I don't care what's on my phone. Its all just a mirror of whats in the cloud anyway. I could destroy my phone (or lose it) and wouldn't lose anything except for the device itself. The whole thing about whats better is all well and good. I like there are multiple platforms, it keeps everyone trying. They all get better over time and everyone wins. Right now i'm 100% Microsoft devices (still have a couple of Android devices that are still current but hardly use them). That may well change in the future, I won't promise anything. Friend of mine spec'd up a fancy gaming laptop ($8000 worth) and I said, specs sound pretty good but if you spend the $8k now it will be worth $1k in 1 to 2 years. Which is exciting because it means in a couple of years the power of devices will be another leap on what they are. Exciting times. My favourite device is still my 8 tablet with windows 8.1 on it. So sweet being able to carry around a computer not much larger than my phone (remember I have a 6 phone lol) that can be plugged into screen and keyboard and function like a full PC. It makes me want to squeel with glee. :) On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: From the earlier link (about 1/3 of the way down) Notes * Your phone will wait for a WiFi connection to automatically save backups. If you don't connect to WiFi for a week, any changes to your App list and settings will be saved using a mobile data connection. * Backup saves the apps on your phone, but it doesn't save any data associated with the apps. * Start will reset to its default set of pinned Tiles when you restore. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 4:18 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Looking further into the WP8 backup, this paints an even worse picture than I’d imagined: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php
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For a court case? I doubt an export tool would help you there. Generally you need tools that will image the entire device, plus supporting evidence that the tool doesn't alter anything in-situ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Preet Sangha Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 5:27 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Sigh. I dropped the Windows Phone 7 platform simply after being unable to back up/retrive offline - my SMSs, for a court case. Seems like nothing has changed in this area. Though I'm sure MS has wonderful reasons to choosing the design - frankly they don't make sense to me, and I'm past caring. On 7 February 2014 18:18, Nathan Chere nathan.ch...@saiglobal.commailto:nathan.ch...@saiglobal.com wrote: Looking further into the WP8 backup, this paints an even worse picture than I'd imagined: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 3:52 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... much hurt so defens wow Calm down cowboy. Sorry if that's how it sounded but it wasn't meant to come across as a rant directed towards you, so no need to get your knickers in a twist. I'm pretty sure I've already mentioned enough issues that it isn't a sample size of 1, and I both looked at your links and googled around related functionality to see what was possible. The best glimmer of hope I could find was this: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/225574-wow-look-view-text-message-backup-outlook.html which has subsequently been locked down by MS as well. There appears to be no way to access your messages once on Skydrive other than to restore directly to another Windows Phone 8 device. Yeah, combined with the points I already made, I think it's sufficiently demonstrates something about an entire platform. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 3:36 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... OK - you asked for backup/export, so I gave you some instructions on how to backup your text messages. Just because *I* don't know how to do this, don't care for this functionality, and can't be f*cked* looking this up for you, doesn't mean that the functionality doesn't exist. And then, based on a sample size of 1, you claim that this demonstrates something about an entire phone platform? Wow. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 3:22 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... That perfectly demonstrates how far backwards Windows Phone is compared to Windows Mobile and the pain-in-the-ass mentality of Win8/WP8-era MS. You still can't really export the messages. It's a black-box backup to Skydrive and a restore from Skydrive, ie your messages are still locked in. Is it really asking that much to be able to just export MY messages to something like CSV or XML and let me email it, upload to Dropbox, copy to my desktop etc? It's almost like DRM-by-stealth over your own content. Even as early as Windows Mobile 2003 you could sync your SMS messages with Outlook locally and do whatever you want with them from there. Windows Mobile 2003 did it better than Windows Phone 8! ARHRHHHRGHRRHIRGRGRHOGRGR /rant From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:40 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... For text messages, you can: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/230367-sms-backup.html http://www.windowsphone.com/en-au/how-to/wp8/basics/back-up-my-stuff The one main gripe I have is that you used to be able to start typing someone's name on the onscreen keyboard in WM6, and it would search both by number and contact name. That (still) doesn't work. I think a lot of basic functionality is there now - maybe more so with the Lumias than the other brands, as Nokia seemed to have invested fairly heavily. I like having a mapping app that can tell me if I'm speeding - iPhone doesn't have that inbuilt :) That said, whilst Microsoft's been backfilling the missing basic functionality, Android and IOS haven't been standing still. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:02 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet
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Well actually it was in preparation for one. And it wasn't a criminal case it was a civil case. The point being that I couldn't get my messages easily dumped out with out just taking heaps of screen shots. It was pain in the arse not the end of the world. If we needed to get to criminal case then the I'm sure the records could be obtained in some way fro the telco - but $$. On 8 February 2014 00:50, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: For a court case? I doubt an export tool would help you there. Generally you need tools that will image the entire device, plus supporting evidence that the tool doesn't alter anything in-situ *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Preet Sangha *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 5:27 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Sigh. I dropped the Windows Phone 7 platform simply after being unable to back up/retrive offline - my SMSs, for a court case. Seems like nothing has changed in this area. Though I'm sure MS has wonderful reasons to choosing the design - frankly they don't make sense to me, and I'm past caring. On 7 February 2014 18:18, Nathan Chere nathan.ch...@saiglobal.com wrote: Looking further into the WP8 backup, this paints an even worse picture than I'd imagined: *http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php* *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 3:52 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... much hurt so defens wow Calm down cowboy. Sorry if that's how it sounded but it wasn't meant to come across as a rant directed towards you, so no need to get your knickers in a twist. I'm pretty sure I've already mentioned enough issues that it isn't a sample size of 1, and I both looked at your links and googled around related functionality to see what was possible. The best glimmer of hope I could find was this: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/225574-wow-look-view-text-message-backup-outlook.html which has subsequently been locked down by MS as well. There appears to be no way to access your messages once on Skydrive other than to restore directly to another Windows Phone 8 device. Yeah, combined with the points I already made, I think it's sufficiently demonstrates something about an entire platform. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 3:36 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... OK - you asked for backup/export, so I gave you some instructions on how to *backup* your text messages. Just because **I** don't know how to do this, don't care for this functionality, and can't be f*cked* looking this up for you, doesn't mean that the functionality doesn't exist. And then, based on a sample size of 1, you claim that this demonstrates something about an entire phone platform? Wow. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 3:22 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... That perfectly demonstrates how far backwards Windows Phone is compared to Windows Mobile and the pain-in-the-ass mentality of Win8/WP8-era MS. You still can't really *export* the messages. It's a black-box backup to *Skydrive* and a restore from Skydrive, ie your messages are still locked in. Is it really asking that much to be able to just export *MY* messages to something like CSV or XML and let me email it, upload to Dropbox, copy to my desktop etc? It's almost like DRM-by-stealth over your own content. Even as early as Windows Mobile 2003 you could sync your SMS messages with Outlook locally and do whatever you want with them from there. *Windows Mobile 2003 did it better than Windows Phone 8! *ARHRHHHRGHRRHIRGRGRHOGRGR /rant *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 2:40 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... For text messages, you can: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/230367-sms-backup.html http://www.windowsphone.com/en-au/how-to/wp8/basics/back-up-my-stuff The one main gripe I have is that you used to be able to start typing someone's name on the onscreen keyboard in WM6, and it would search both by number and contact name. That (still) doesn't work. I think a lot of basic
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Stephen, remind me: what is your 8 tablet? And why did you choose the 6 Lumia phone (1320), over say the 920/925 or the 1020? _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 2:09 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Personally, I don't care what's on my phone. Its all just a mirror of whats in the cloud anyway. I could destroy my phone (or lose it) and wouldn't lose anything except for the device itself. The whole thing about whats better is all well and good. I like there are multiple platforms, it keeps everyone trying. They all get better over time and everyone wins. Right now i'm 100% Microsoft devices (still have a couple of Android devices that are still current but hardly use them). That may well change in the future, I won't promise anything. Friend of mine spec'd up a fancy gaming laptop ($8000 worth) and I said, specs sound pretty good but if you spend the $8k now it will be worth $1k in 1 to 2 years. Which is exciting because it means in a couple of years the power of devices will be another leap on what they are. Exciting times. My favourite device is still my 8 tablet with windows 8.1 on it. So sweet being able to carry around a computer not much larger than my phone (remember I have a 6 phone lol) that can be plugged into screen and keyboard and function like a full PC. It makes me want to squeel with glee. :) On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: From the earlier link (about 1/3 of the way down) Notes * Your phone will wait for a WiFi connection to automatically save backups. If you don't connect to WiFi for a week, any changes to your App list and settings will be saved using a mobile data connection. * Backup saves the apps on your phone, but it doesn't save any data associated with the apps. * Start will reset to its default set of pinned Tiles when you restore. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 4:18 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Looking further into the WP8 backup, this paints an even worse picture than I'd imagined: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_b ackup_.php
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Regardless of its technical merits, it’s destroyed a metric bucketload of shareholder value. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of ILT (O) Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2014 8:54 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... David, actually I don’t mind Bing. What aggravates you about it – browser and desktop? Google morphs every month or week which upsets my conventionalism, and I just can’t get the hang of Google browser on iPad (well, many things on that platform confuse me). Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:38 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.commailto:il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: As I read it, Nadella’s roles over the past few years have been achieving exactly that. To use the acronyms - PaaS, IaaS and SaaS. And Bing - but no one is perfect. David Connors da...@connors.commailto:da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
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Well the Nasdaq was down 0.5%, MS down 1.5%... It could have been a lot worse! [image: Inline image 2] [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 3] On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Regardless of its technical merits, it's destroyed a metric bucketload of shareholder value. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *ILT (O) *Sent:* Thursday, 6 February 2014 8:54 PM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... David, actually I don't mind Bing. What aggravates you about it - browser and desktop? Google morphs every month or week which upsets my conventionalism, and I just can't get the hang of Google browser on iPad (well, many things on that platform confuse me). -- Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors *Sent:* Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:38 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: As I read it, Nadella's roles over the past few years have been achieving exactly that. To use the acronyms - PaaS, IaaS and SaaS. And Bing - but no one is perfect. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors image.pngimage.pngimage.png
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:06 AM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: Its another VHS vs Beta. It doesn't matter who is best, the market decides ... It is going to be hard to win out against Android which has the double whammy of being both very good and very free. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
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Nah, it’s a Samsung Omnia 7, and that app doesn’t appear in the marketplace. But actually, I just found a pretty good google client, which has everything I need. Will give that a go. T. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 10:15 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... You can’t get Here Maps (previously Nokia Drive etc.) instead? That has options to use/avoid toll roads, defaults to Australian addresses etc. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 9:48 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... I have a problem with Bing Maps as well on my Windows Phone. Firstly, it doesn’t seem to recognise where I am. Even after locating me on the map, when I put a location in to get directions, it expects me to put in that I’m in Victoria, every time. If I don’t, it tries to find the location in the US, or doesn’t find the location at all. Secondly, when it does find a location, it always tries to get me to take toll ways. Even if it’s much longer than going another way, or another way is just as good, it will always try to get me to pay a toll. Ridiculous. Which leads me to Windows Phone. I am one of the suckers that has one. I like that it has upgraded to give me more items on my front screen, but it looks like industry has now standardised on iPhone and Android. Which means that due to lack of market penetration, most of the apps advertised are not on Windows Phone, or if they are, have lower functionality. The range of apps is so much better on Android and iPhone. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2014 10:24 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:53 PM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: David, actually I don’t mind Bing. What aggravates you about it – browser and desktop? Google morphs every month or week which upsets my conventionalism, and I just can’t get the hang of Google browser on iPad (well, many things on that platform confuse me). Bing's results are garbage. Today I needed to confirm a few points about the installation of a Zenmuse gimbal on a Phantom 2 quadcopter. The manual was a bit crap so I went to Google - got the answer and it was installed. Check out Bing's efforts at machine learning vs Google's. Google *knows* what a Zenmuse 3D-2D is and gives me nothing but content relating to that. Bing just does some juvenile keyword matching including offering me games and movies in 3D - one relevant result which is a question. Google is all answers. I go back to Bing from time to time to see if it has improved - but it is useless. Related searches ... Mahjong. WAT Googles: Bing It:
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The Omnia 7 was good when it came out (but, I agree the Maps app was useless outside of the US). Unfortunately WP7 devices are now the equivalent of a 2nd gen iPhone, due to the changes in architecture between WP7 and WP8, you miss out on a lot of functionality. Here Maps has offline maps, speed limits, routing options etc. – just like using a regular GPS device. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 10:35 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Nah, it’s a Samsung Omnia 7, and that app doesn’t appear in the marketplace. But actually, I just found a pretty good google client, which has everything I need. Will give that a go. T. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 10:15 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... You can’t get Here Maps (previously Nokia Drive etc.) instead? That has options to use/avoid toll roads, defaults to Australian addresses etc. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 9:48 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... I have a problem with Bing Maps as well on my Windows Phone. Firstly, it doesn’t seem to recognise where I am. Even after locating me on the map, when I put a location in to get directions, it expects me to put in that I’m in Victoria, every time. If I don’t, it tries to find the location in the US, or doesn’t find the location at all. Secondly, when it does find a location, it always tries to get me to take toll ways. Even if it’s much longer than going another way, or another way is just as good, it will always try to get me to pay a toll. Ridiculous. Which leads me to Windows Phone. I am one of the suckers that has one. I like that it has upgraded to give me more items on my front screen, but it looks like industry has now standardised on iPhone and Android. Which means that due to lack of market penetration, most of the apps advertised are not on Windows Phone, or if they are, have lower functionality. The range of apps is so much better on Android and iPhone. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2014 10:24 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:53 PM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.commailto:il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: David, actually I don’t mind Bing. What aggravates you about it – browser and desktop? Google morphs every month or week which upsets my conventionalism, and I just can’t get the hang of Google browser on iPad (well, many things on that platform confuse me). Bing's results are garbage. Today I needed to confirm a few points about the installation of a Zenmuse gimbal on a Phantom 2 quadcopter. The manual was a bit crap so I went to Google - got the answer and it was installed. Check out Bing's efforts at machine learning vs Google's. Google *knows* what a Zenmuse 3D-2D is and gives me nothing but content relating to that. Bing just does some juvenile keyword matching including offering me games and movies in 3D - one relevant result which is a question. Google is all answers. I go back to Bing from time to time to see if it has improved - but it is useless. Related searches ... Mahjong. WAT Googles: Bing It:
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I have the Nokia 1520 and its 6 screen is almost the size of a nexus 7. Love it, and it still fits in my pocket. The lack of apps (there is still a gap) isn't as bothersome as I thought. There is one app I use that doesn't have an official one (Harvest) which I just pin a shortcut to the website and their mobile website looks like a native app. Really well done and with a 4G connection you'd never know its a web app. Also am using Xbox music exclusively now. Was using Mog with the unlimited streaming on Telstra but now I just download what I want (64Gb sd card) at home. I also have my Nexus 5 sitting here not doing anything if I ever decide to switch back... not touched it since getting my Nokia. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: The Omnia 7 was good when it came out (but, I agree the Maps app was useless outside of the US). Unfortunately WP7 devices are now the equivalent of a 2nd gen iPhone, due to the changes in architecture between WP7 and WP8, you miss out on a lot of functionality. Here Maps has offline maps, speed limits, routing options etc. - just like using a regular GPS device. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 10:35 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Nah, it's a Samsung Omnia 7, and that app doesn't appear in the marketplace. But actually, I just found a pretty good google client, which has everything I need. Will give that a go. T. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 10:15 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... You can't get Here Maps (previously Nokia Drive etc.) instead? That has options to use/avoid toll roads, defaults to Australian addresses etc. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tony Wright *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 9:48 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... I have a problem with Bing Maps as well on my Windows Phone. Firstly, it doesn't seem to recognise where I am. Even after locating me on the map, when I put a location in to get directions, it expects me to put in that I'm in Victoria, every time. If I don't, it tries to find the location in the US, or doesn't find the location at all. Secondly, when it does find a location, it always tries to get me to take toll ways. Even if it's much longer than going another way, or another way is just as good, it will always try to get me to pay a toll. Ridiculous. Which leads me to Windows Phone. I am one of the suckers that has one. I like that it has upgraded to give me more items on my front screen, but it looks like industry has now standardised on iPhone and Android. Which means that due to lack of market penetration, most of the apps advertised are not on Windows Phone, or if they are, have lower functionality. The range of apps is so much better on Android and iPhone. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors *Sent:* Thursday, 6 February 2014 10:24 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:53 PM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: David, actually I don't mind Bing. What aggravates you about it - browser and desktop? Google morphs every month or week which upsets my conventionalism, and I just can't get the hang of Google browser on iPad (well, many things on that platform confuse me). Bing's results are garbage. Today I needed to confirm a few points about the installation of a Zenmuse gimbal on a Phantom 2 quadcopter. The manual was a bit crap so I went to Google - got the answer and it was installed. Check out Bing's efforts at machine learning vs Google's. Google *knows* what a Zenmuse 3D-2D is and gives me nothing but content relating to that. Bing just does some juvenile keyword matching including offering me games and movies in 3D - one relevant result which is a question. Google is all answers. I go back to Bing from time to time to see if it has improved - but it is useless. Related searches ... Mahjong. WAT Googles: Bing It:
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Maybe things have changed but circa the last Windows Phones I had (HTC Trophy and HTC 7): on the strength of apps it wasn't even in the race with Apple or Google, absolutely no phones had anywhere near the after-market accessory support (both diversity and availability) of iPhones/iPads or the bigger Android devices (especially the main Galaxy models), and it had all the walled garden shortcomings of iOS like limited customisability, requiring bulky iTunes/Zune crapware to make a computer even see the phone, no alternative app store options or ability to install your own local software (at least not without a paid 'developer' account), and inability to do relatively basic things like browse the file system from a PC to copy files to/from. My single biggest frustration being that I want to be able to use it as a PHONE was that the rebranding from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone meant neutering or outright losing PHONE-related functionality like contact sync, backup/restore SMS messages, call log export and call blacklists for ignoring withheld/private numbers. Many of these things were non-issues in Windows Mobile 6 and prior which I was a big fan of, and the walled garden bullshit means apps for this kind of functionality can't be ported to Windows Phone even if the developers wanted to. The main draw-card of Windows Phone development for me (XNA) was left in various states of crap like 'update coming soon' and incompatibility with current Visual Studio versions before dropping support entirely. In short, as much as I really wanted to like Windows Phone, they did anything I could possibly think of to do wrong from both a consumer and developer standpoint. Is my understanding of Windows Phone horribly out of date, or (as I suspect looking at the arrogance and near-complete lack of acknowledgement of feedback and popular opinion with Windows 8) has little of the above rant changed from the early WP7 days? Are you able to do something as simple as backup/export your SMS messages with Windows Phone yet (something MS were promising since the Mango announcement by which point I had bought a Galaxy and haven't had any reason to look back)? Is it worth a grumpy cat like myself giving the Lumia-era phones a try or am I just going to be left even more jaded and cynical? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 11:28 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... I have the Nokia 1520 and its 6 screen is almost the size of a nexus 7. Love it, and it still fits in my pocket. The lack of apps (there is still a gap) isn't as bothersome as I thought. There is one app I use that doesn't have an official one (Harvest) which I just pin a shortcut to the website and their mobile website looks like a native app. Really well done and with a 4G connection you'd never know its a web app. Also am using Xbox music exclusively now. Was using Mog with the unlimited streaming on Telstra but now I just download what I want (64Gb sd card) at home. I also have my Nexus 5 sitting here not doing anything if I ever decide to switch back... not touched it since getting my Nokia. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: The Omnia 7 was good when it came out (but, I agree the Maps app was useless outside of the US). Unfortunately WP7 devices are now the equivalent of a 2nd gen iPhone, due to the changes in architecture between WP7 and WP8, you miss out on a lot of functionality. Here Maps has offline maps, speed limits, routing options etc. - just like using a regular GPS device. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 10:35 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Nah, it's a Samsung Omnia 7, and that app doesn't appear in the marketplace. But actually, I just found a pretty good google client, which has everything I need. Will give that a go. T. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 10:15 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... You can't get Here Maps (previously Nokia Drive etc.) instead? That has options to use/avoid toll roads, defaults to Australian addresses etc. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 9:48 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... I have a problem with Bing Maps as well on my Windows Phone. Firstly, it doesn't seem to recognise where I am. Even after locating me on the map
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For text messages, you can: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/230367-sms-backup.html http://www.windowsphone.com/en-au/how-to/wp8/basics/back-up-my-stuff The one main gripe I have is that you used to be able to start typing someone's name on the onscreen keyboard in WM6, and it would search both by number and contact name. That (still) doesn't work. I think a lot of basic functionality is there now - maybe more so with the Lumias than the other brands, as Nokia seemed to have invested fairly heavily. I like having a mapping app that can tell me if I'm speeding - iPhone doesn't have that inbuilt :) That said, whilst Microsoft's been backfilling the missing basic functionality, Android and IOS haven't been standing still. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:02 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Are you able to do something as simple as backup/export your SMS messages with Windows Phone yet (something MS were promising since the Mango announcement by which point I had bought a Galaxy and haven't had any reason to look back)? Is it worth a grumpy cat like myself giving the Lumia-era phones a try or am I just going to be left even more jaded and cynical?
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OK - you asked for backup/export, so I gave you some instructions on how to backup your text messages. Just because *I* don't know how to do this, don't care for this functionality, and can't be f*cked* looking this up for you, doesn't mean that the functionality doesn't exist. And then, based on a sample size of 1, you claim that this demonstrates something about an entire phone platform? Wow. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 3:22 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... That perfectly demonstrates how far backwards Windows Phone is compared to Windows Mobile and the pain-in-the-ass mentality of Win8/WP8-era MS. You still can't really export the messages. It's a black-box backup to Skydrive and a restore from Skydrive, ie your messages are still locked in. Is it really asking that much to be able to just export MY messages to something like CSV or XML and let me email it, upload to Dropbox, copy to my desktop etc? It's almost like DRM-by-stealth over your own content. Even as early as Windows Mobile 2003 you could sync your SMS messages with Outlook locally and do whatever you want with them from there. Windows Mobile 2003 did it better than Windows Phone 8! ARHRHHHRGHRRHIRGRGRHOGRGR /rant From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:40 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... For text messages, you can: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/230367-sms-backup.html http://www.windowsphone.com/en-au/how-to/wp8/basics/back-up-my-stuff The one main gripe I have is that you used to be able to start typing someone's name on the onscreen keyboard in WM6, and it would search both by number and contact name. That (still) doesn't work. I think a lot of basic functionality is there now - maybe more so with the Lumias than the other brands, as Nokia seemed to have invested fairly heavily. I like having a mapping app that can tell me if I'm speeding - iPhone doesn't have that inbuilt :) That said, whilst Microsoft's been backfilling the missing basic functionality, Android and IOS haven't been standing still. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:02 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Are you able to do something as simple as backup/export your SMS messages with Windows Phone yet (something MS were promising since the Mango announcement by which point I had bought a Galaxy and haven't had any reason to look back)? Is it worth a grumpy cat like myself giving the Lumia-era phones a try or am I just going to be left even more jaded and cynical? Click herehttps://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.comhttp://www.websense.com/
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Agreed..i did find Windows Mobile a lot more flexible and fun to program. Anthony Salerno | Consultant | SmallBiz Australia Software Developers | Mobile | Tablet | Software | Web | eCommerce | IT Support Phone : +613 8400 4191 Email : 2Anthony (at) smallbiz.com.au Postal : Po Box 135, Lower Plenty 3093 ABN : 16 079 706 737 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 3:22 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... That perfectly demonstrates how far backwards Windows Phone is compared to Windows Mobile and the pain-in-the-ass mentality of Win8/WP8-era MS. You still can't really export the messages. It's a black-box backup to Skydrive and a restore from Skydrive, ie your messages are still locked in. Is it really asking that much to be able to just export MY messages to something like CSV or XML and let me email it, upload to Dropbox, copy to my desktop etc? It's almost like DRM-by-stealth over your own content. Even as early as Windows Mobile 2003 you could sync your SMS messages with Outlook locally and do whatever you want with them from there. Windows Mobile 2003 did it better than Windows Phone 8! ARHRHHHRGHRRHIRGRGRHOGRGR /rant From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:40 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... For text messages, you can: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/230367-sms-backup.html http://www.windowsphone.com/en-au/how-to/wp8/basics/back-up-my-stuff The one main gripe I have is that you used to be able to start typing someone's name on the onscreen keyboard in WM6, and it would search both by number and contact name. That (still) doesn't work. I think a lot of basic functionality is there now - maybe more so with the Lumias than the other brands, as Nokia seemed to have invested fairly heavily. I like having a mapping app that can tell me if I'm speeding - iPhone doesn't have that inbuilt J That said, whilst Microsoft's been backfilling the missing basic functionality, Android and IOS haven't been standing still. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:02 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Are you able to do something as simple as backup/export your SMS messages with Windows Phone yet (something MS were promising since the Mango announcement by which point I had bought a Galaxy and haven't had any reason to look back)? Is it worth a grumpy cat like myself giving the Lumia-era phones a try or am I just going to be left even more jaded and cynical? Click here https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. http://www.websense.com/ www.websense.com
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much hurt so defens wow Calm down cowboy. Sorry if that's how it sounded but it wasn't meant to come across as a rant directed towards you, so no need to get your knickers in a twist. I'm pretty sure I've already mentioned enough issues that it isn't a sample size of 1, and I both looked at your links and googled around related functionality to see what was possible. The best glimmer of hope I could find was this: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/225574-wow-look-view-text-message-backup-outlook.html which has subsequently been locked down by MS as well. There appears to be no way to access your messages once on Skydrive other than to restore directly to another Windows Phone 8 device. Yeah, combined with the points I already made, I think it's sufficiently demonstrates something about an entire platform. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 3:36 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... OK - you asked for backup/export, so I gave you some instructions on how to backup your text messages. Just because *I* don't know how to do this, don't care for this functionality, and can't be f*cked* looking this up for you, doesn't mean that the functionality doesn't exist. And then, based on a sample size of 1, you claim that this demonstrates something about an entire phone platform? Wow. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 3:22 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... That perfectly demonstrates how far backwards Windows Phone is compared to Windows Mobile and the pain-in-the-ass mentality of Win8/WP8-era MS. You still can't really export the messages. It's a black-box backup to Skydrive and a restore from Skydrive, ie your messages are still locked in. Is it really asking that much to be able to just export MY messages to something like CSV or XML and let me email it, upload to Dropbox, copy to my desktop etc? It's almost like DRM-by-stealth over your own content. Even as early as Windows Mobile 2003 you could sync your SMS messages with Outlook locally and do whatever you want with them from there. Windows Mobile 2003 did it better than Windows Phone 8! ARHRHHHRGHRRHIRGRGRHOGRGR /rant From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:40 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... For text messages, you can: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/230367-sms-backup.html http://www.windowsphone.com/en-au/how-to/wp8/basics/back-up-my-stuff The one main gripe I have is that you used to be able to start typing someone's name on the onscreen keyboard in WM6, and it would search both by number and contact name. That (still) doesn't work. I think a lot of basic functionality is there now - maybe more so with the Lumias than the other brands, as Nokia seemed to have invested fairly heavily. I like having a mapping app that can tell me if I'm speeding - iPhone doesn't have that inbuilt :) That said, whilst Microsoft's been backfilling the missing basic functionality, Android and IOS haven't been standing still. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:02 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Are you able to do something as simple as backup/export your SMS messages with Windows Phone yet (something MS were promising since the Mango announcement by which point I had bought a Galaxy and haven't had any reason to look back)? Is it worth a grumpy cat like myself giving the Lumia-era phones a try or am I just going to be left even more jaded and cynical? Click herehttps://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.comhttp://www.websense.com/
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Looking further into the WP8 backup, this paints an even worse picture than I'd imagined: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 3:52 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... much hurt so defens wow Calm down cowboy. Sorry if that's how it sounded but it wasn't meant to come across as a rant directed towards you, so no need to get your knickers in a twist. I'm pretty sure I've already mentioned enough issues that it isn't a sample size of 1, and I both looked at your links and googled around related functionality to see what was possible. The best glimmer of hope I could find was this: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/225574-wow-look-view-text-message-backup-outlook.html which has subsequently been locked down by MS as well. There appears to be no way to access your messages once on Skydrive other than to restore directly to another Windows Phone 8 device. Yeah, combined with the points I already made, I think it's sufficiently demonstrates something about an entire platform. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 3:36 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... OK - you asked for backup/export, so I gave you some instructions on how to backup your text messages. Just because *I* don't know how to do this, don't care for this functionality, and can't be f*cked* looking this up for you, doesn't mean that the functionality doesn't exist. And then, based on a sample size of 1, you claim that this demonstrates something about an entire phone platform? Wow. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 3:22 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... That perfectly demonstrates how far backwards Windows Phone is compared to Windows Mobile and the pain-in-the-ass mentality of Win8/WP8-era MS. You still can't really export the messages. It's a black-box backup to Skydrive and a restore from Skydrive, ie your messages are still locked in. Is it really asking that much to be able to just export MY messages to something like CSV or XML and let me email it, upload to Dropbox, copy to my desktop etc? It's almost like DRM-by-stealth over your own content. Even as early as Windows Mobile 2003 you could sync your SMS messages with Outlook locally and do whatever you want with them from there. Windows Mobile 2003 did it better than Windows Phone 8! ARHRHHHRGHRRHIRGRGRHOGRGR /rant From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:40 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... For text messages, you can: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/230367-sms-backup.html http://www.windowsphone.com/en-au/how-to/wp8/basics/back-up-my-stuff The one main gripe I have is that you used to be able to start typing someone's name on the onscreen keyboard in WM6, and it would search both by number and contact name. That (still) doesn't work. I think a lot of basic functionality is there now - maybe more so with the Lumias than the other brands, as Nokia seemed to have invested fairly heavily. I like having a mapping app that can tell me if I'm speeding - iPhone doesn't have that inbuilt :) That said, whilst Microsoft's been backfilling the missing basic functionality, Android and IOS haven't been standing still. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:02 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Are you able to do something as simple as backup/export your SMS messages with Windows Phone yet (something MS were promising since the Mango announcement by which point I had bought a Galaxy and haven't had any reason to look back)? Is it worth a grumpy cat like myself giving the Lumia-era phones a try or am I just going to be left even more jaded and cynical? Click herehttps://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.comhttp://www.websense.com/
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From the earlier link (about 1/3 of the way down) Notes * Your phone will wait for a WiFi connection to automatically save backups. If you don't connect to WiFi for a week, any changes to your App list and settings will be saved using a mobile data connection. * Backup saves the apps on your phone, but it doesn't save any data associated with the apps. * Start will reset to its default set of pinned Tiles when you restore. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 4:18 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Looking further into the WP8 backup, this paints an even worse picture than I'd imagined: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php
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That article appears to be about a year old. I will expand on Ken's post with this list of items that are currently backed up from that link and add some emphasis of my own: * The list of apps you've installed on your phone. * Your call history. * Your theme colour. * The accounts you've set up on your phone. * Your Internet Explorer favourites. * Settings from around your phone, including photos, messaging, email and accounts, location, Internet Explorer, lock screen, Speech and more. Notes * Your phone will wait for a WiFi connection to automatically save backups. If you don't connect to WiFi for a week, any changes to your App list and settings will be saved using a mobile data connection. * Backup saves the apps on your phone, but it doesn't save any data associated with the apps. * Start will reset to its default set of pinned Tiles when you restore. So for me it now backs up the more important bits that may have been lacking a year ago. My WP8 (HTC Windows Phone 8X) has had a firmware upgrade or two in that time. But I do find it a bit disappointing that user application data and changes to pinned Tiles are not backed up. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 4:42 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... From the earlier link (about 1/3 of the way down) Notes * Your phone will wait for a WiFi connection to automatically save backups. If you don't connect to WiFi for a week, any changes to your App list and settings will be saved using a mobile data connection. * Backup saves the apps on your phone, but it doesn't save any data associated with the apps. * Start will reset to its default set of pinned Tiles when you restore. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 4:18 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Looking further into the WP8 backup, this paints an even worse picture than I'd imagined: http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php
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Personally, I don't care what's on my phone. Its all just a mirror of whats in the cloud anyway. I could destroy my phone (or lose it) and wouldn't lose anything except for the device itself. The whole thing about whats better is all well and good. I like there are multiple platforms, it keeps everyone trying. They all get better over time and everyone wins. Right now i'm 100% Microsoft devices (still have a couple of Android devices that are still current but hardly use them). That may well change in the future, I won't promise anything. Friend of mine spec'd up a fancy gaming laptop ($8000 worth) and I said, specs sound pretty good but if you spend the $8k now it will be worth $1k in 1 to 2 years. Which is exciting because it means in a couple of years the power of devices will be another leap on what they are. Exciting times. My favourite device is still my 8 tablet with windows 8.1 on it. So sweet being able to carry around a computer not much larger than my phone (remember I have a 6 phone lol) that can be plugged into screen and keyboard and function like a full PC. It makes me want to squeel with glee. :) On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: From the earlier link (about 1/3 of the way down) *Notes* - Your phone will wait for a WiFi connection to automatically save backups. If you don't connect to WiFi for a week, any changes to your App list and settings will be saved using a mobile data connection. - Backup saves the apps on your phone, but it doesn't save any data associated with the apps. - Start will reset to its default set of pinned Tiles when you restore. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 4:18 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Looking further into the WP8 backup, this paints an even worse picture than I'd imagined: *http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php*
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Sigh. I dropped the Windows Phone 7 platform simply after being unable to back up/retrive offline - my SMSs, for a court case. Seems like nothing has changed in this area. Though I'm sure MS has wonderful reasons to choosing the design - frankly they don't make sense to me, and I'm past caring. On 7 February 2014 18:18, Nathan Chere nathan.ch...@saiglobal.com wrote: Looking further into the WP8 backup, this paints an even worse picture than I'd imagined: *http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/16663_When_is_a_backup_not_a_backup_.php* *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 3:52 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... much hurt so defens wow Calm down cowboy. Sorry if that's how it sounded but it wasn't meant to come across as a rant directed towards you, so no need to get your knickers in a twist. I'm pretty sure I've already mentioned enough issues that it isn't a sample size of 1, and I both looked at your links and googled around related functionality to see what was possible. The best glimmer of hope I could find was this: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/225574-wow-look-view-text-message-backup-outlook.html which has subsequently been locked down by MS as well. There appears to be no way to access your messages once on Skydrive other than to restore directly to another Windows Phone 8 device. Yeah, combined with the points I already made, I think it's sufficiently demonstrates something about an entire platform. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 3:36 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... OK - you asked for backup/export, so I gave you some instructions on how to *backup* your text messages. Just because **I** don't know how to do this, don't care for this functionality, and can't be f*cked* looking this up for you, doesn't mean that the functionality doesn't exist. And then, based on a sample size of 1, you claim that this demonstrates something about an entire phone platform? Wow. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 3:22 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... That perfectly demonstrates how far backwards Windows Phone is compared to Windows Mobile and the pain-in-the-ass mentality of Win8/WP8-era MS. You still can't really *export* the messages. It's a black-box backup to *Skydrive* and a restore from Skydrive, ie your messages are still locked in. Is it really asking that much to be able to just export *MY* messages to something like CSV or XML and let me email it, upload to Dropbox, copy to my desktop etc? It's almost like DRM-by-stealth over your own content. Even as early as Windows Mobile 2003 you could sync your SMS messages with Outlook locally and do whatever you want with them from there. *Windows Mobile 2003 did it better than Windows Phone 8! *ARHRHHHRGHRRHIRGRGRHOGRGR /rant *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 2:40 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... For text messages, you can: http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/230367-sms-backup.html http://www.windowsphone.com/en-au/how-to/wp8/basics/back-up-my-stuff The one main gripe I have is that you used to be able to start typing someone's name on the onscreen keyboard in WM6, and it would search both by number and contact name. That (still) doesn't work. I think a lot of basic functionality is there now - maybe more so with the Lumias than the other brands, as Nokia seemed to have invested fairly heavily. I like having a mapping app that can tell me if I'm speeding - iPhone doesn't have that inbuilt J That said, whilst Microsoft's been backfilling the missing basic functionality, Android and IOS haven't been standing still. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nathan Chere *Sent:* Friday, 7 February 2014 2:02 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Are you able to do something as simple as backup/export your SMS messages with Windows Phone yet (something MS were promising since the Mango announcement by which point I had bought a Galaxy and haven't had any reason to look back)? Is it worth a grumpy cat like
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Maybe everyone is selling their stocks! Anthony From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 10:09 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... ... considering Microsoft finally got a new CEO. David Connors mailto:da...@connors.com da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: Maybe everyone is selling their stocks! Don't reckon he was a good choice? I thought they did extremely well for an internal candidate. David.
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Just making some noise, never heard of him before..good luck to him. I’m interested to know how Microsoft can stay so big with the cloud being so dominant and the desktop for consumers being less important. Having installed software is becoming less important...I have been a Microsoft person for many years but have recently been looking at non Microsoft Technologies...where’s Windows Phone 8 going? Anthony Salerno | Senior Consultant | SmallBiz Australia Software Developers | Software Development | Web Development | Software Consulting | Innovation Designer Phone : +613 8400 4191 Email : 2Anthony (at) smallbiz.com.au Web : www.smallbiz.com.au From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 11:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: Maybe everyone is selling their stocks! Don't reckon he was a good choice? I thought they did extremely well for an internal candidate. David.
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46 years old, 22 with Microsoft – and his experience within MS is quite impressive. I think he’s an excellent choice. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 8:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: Maybe everyone is selling their stocks! Don't reckon he was a good choice? I thought they did extremely well for an internal candidate. David.
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Consumer makes up just 4% of Microsoft’s revenue. Regardless of what happens, I think we’ll be okay. :) From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:32 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Just making some noise, never heard of him before..good luck to him. I’m interested to know how Microsoft can stay so big with the cloud being so dominant and the desktop for consumers being less important. Having installed software is becoming less important...I have been a Microsoft person for many years but have recently been looking at non Microsoft Technologies...where’s Windows Phone 8 going? Anthony Salerno | Senior Consultant | SmallBiz Australia Software Developers | Software Development | Web Development | Software Consulting | Innovation Designer Phone : +613 8400 4191 Email : 2Anthony (at) smallbiz.com.au Web : www.smallbiz.com.auhttp://www.smallbiz.com.au From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 11:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.commailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: Maybe everyone is selling their stocks! Don't reckon he was a good choice? I thought they did extremely well for an internal candidate. David.
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Only 4% in revenue directly, sure, but contributes far more in ubiquity and product familiarity with an inevitable and substantial knock-on effect to enterprise. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2014 4:13 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Consumer makes up just 4% of Microsoft’s revenue. Regardless of what happens, I think we’ll be okay. :) From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.commailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:32 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Just making some noise, never heard of him before..good luck to him. I’m interested to know how Microsoft can stay so big with the cloud being so dominant and the desktop for consumers being less important. Having installed software is becoming less important...I have been a Microsoft person for many years but have recently been looking at non Microsoft Technologies...where’s Windows Phone 8 going? Anthony Salerno | Senior Consultant | SmallBiz Australia Software Developers | Software Development | Web Development | Software Consulting | Innovation Designer Phone : +613 8400 4191 Email : 2Anthony (at) smallbiz.com.au Web : www.smallbiz.com.auhttp://www.smallbiz.com.au From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 11:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.commailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: Maybe everyone is selling their stocks! Don't reckon he was a good choice? I thought they did extremely well for an internal candidate. David. Click herehttps://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.com
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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:33 PM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: 46 years old, 22 with Microsoft – and his experience within MS is quite impressive. I think he’s an excellent choice. Have a read of this: http://gigaom.com/2014/01/31/the-gigaom-interview-a-chat-with-microsofts-satya-nadella-from-before-he-was-the-likely-next-ceo/ He seems pretty considered and thoughtful. I don't think we'll be seeing any more monkey boy dances, that's for sure. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
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The 4% seems remarkably low – according to MSFT’s last annual report 65% of the Windows BG’s revenue comes from OEMs, and assuming 50% of that is destined for consumers, that’s already $6bn (out of $78bn). Add in revenue from Entertainment GB (Xbox etc.), plus, some dribs and drabs from other groups (part of Office would be consumers as well), I’m guessing it’s probably around 20% That all said, I don’t think David’s conclusion is incorrect. Microsoft’s an incredibly diversified operation. It also has significant tentacles embedded into larger organisations, where the cost of migration is large. Additionally, it’s ramping up significantly in areas that Anthony identified as “the future” (e.g. cloud-based products/services) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Chere Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2014 9:44 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Only 4% in revenue directly, sure, but contributes far more in ubiquity and product familiarity with an inevitable and substantial knock-on effect to enterprise. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean Sent: Thursday, 6 February 2014 4:13 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Consumer makes up just 4% of Microsoft’s revenue. Regardless of what happens, I think we’ll be okay. :) From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.commailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:32 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... Just making some noise, never heard of him before..good luck to him. I’m interested to know how Microsoft can stay so big with the cloud being so dominant and the desktop for consumers being less important. Having installed software is becoming less important...I have been a Microsoft person for many years but have recently been looking at non Microsoft Technologies...where’s Windows Phone 8 going? Anthony Salerno | Senior Consultant | SmallBiz Australia Software Developers | Software Development | Web Development | Software Consulting | Innovation Designer Phone : +613 8400 4191 Email : 2Anthony (at) smallbiz.com.au Web : www.smallbiz.com.auhttp://www.smallbiz.com.au From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 11:10 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:03 PM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.commailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: Maybe everyone is selling their stocks! Don't reckon he was a good choice? I thought they did extremely well for an internal candidate. David. Click herehttps://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/MZbqvYs5QwJvpeaetUwhCQ== to report this email as spam. This message has been scanned for malware by Websense. www.websense.comhttp://www.websense.com/
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I read about 8-10 “IT press” articles about Nadella yesterday, and a few are looking for the controversy – usual for any media reporting, I suppose. Additionally, it’s ramping up significantly in areas that Anthony identified as “the future” (e.g. cloud-based products/services) As I read it, Nadella’s roles over the past few years have been achieving exactly that. To use the acronyms - PaaS, IaaS and SaaS. Equally interesting is his emphasis (in all the snippets of interviews that I have seen) on devices. And I don’t believe that he is defing devices as narrowly as tablets and phones, Surface and Windows Phone. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 6:50 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:33 PM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: 46 years old, 22 with Microsoft – and his experience within MS is quite impressive. I think he’s an excellent choice. Have a read of this: http://gigaom.com/2014/01/31/the-gigaom-interview-a-chat-with-microsofts-satya-nadella-from-before-he-was-the-likely-next-ceo/ He seems pretty considered and thoughtful. I don't think we'll be seeing any more monkey boy dances, that's for sure. David Connors mailto:da...@connors.com da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
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Scott, you're so burnt and twisted man. You need to see someone. Got a good therapist or is that why we are here? ;) Perhaps Microsoft can organise something with those two, similar to how Apple did. I'm not insinuating Steve's departure involved any foul play... Just saying... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Its probably good to wait for the honeymoon to pass before you drop this dosage of reality but ...here goes (i'm always the buzz killer) So I need you to be the new CEO ... but.. here's the thing, the old CEO will kind of be your boss (on the board) and the founder of the company will kind of be an employee ..but don't worry this is your company to run...and you run it the way you like...and we'll just be here...hanging around...watching youevery moveyou make... Imagine having that as your job - Microsoft. As long as those two linger, I just can't but help think this poor bastard doesn't really have a fair fight on his hands? ...he's gifted andy who have worked for him will raise their hands and state out loud he's good Microsoft but at the end of the day its alway a little business as usual. Even his speech to employee's kept the same tone you'd typically see at a variety of Microsoft conferences ...I think you need that external influence to break the Microsoft culture circuit... someone who hasn't got a history lesson attached, someone who looks at the whole concept with an eyebrow raised and questions like why? ... I also think that this CEO position was supposed to be the Windows Vista release or the guy who played Bond after Sean Connery ... they are supposed to absorb the change I dont like it moments but meanwhile you hold back on the real good(s) for the real change to come ..which is the Windows 7 release... Same shit, just different UI .. Same problems, just different face.. :) --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: I read about 8-10 IT press articles about Nadella yesterday, and a few are looking for the controversy - usual for any media reporting, I suppose. Additionally, it's ramping up significantly in areas that Anthony identified as the future (e.g. cloud-based products/services) As I read it, Nadella's roles over the past few years have been achieving exactly that. To use the acronyms - PaaS, IaaS and SaaS. Equally interesting is his emphasis (in all the snippets of interviews that I have seen) on devices. And I don't believe that he is defing devices as narrowly as tablets and phones, Surface and Windows Phone. -- Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors *Sent:* Thursday, February 06, 2014 6:50 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Today was very quiet on ozdotnet ... On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:33 PM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: 46 years old, 22 with Microsoft - and his experience within MS is quite impressive. I think he's an excellent choice. Have a read of this: http://gigaom.com/2014/01/31/the-gigaom-interview-a-chat-with-microsofts-satya-nadella-from-before-he-was-the-likely-next-ceo/ He seems pretty considered and thoughtful. I don't think we'll be seeing any more monkey boy dances, that's for sure. David Connors da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363 Download my v-card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Follow me on Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/davidconnors Connect with me on LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
