Tutorial: Recording an Internet-telephony conversations, Phone recording system.
Hi everyone! I response to a question from Steve yesterday regarding recording Skype conversations, Googletalk etc, I know he wasn't exactly talking about those pieces of software but the link to the following tutorial on the Total Recorder web site should help with most audio chat applications. For those who record audio - whether it be from the net or from a tape deck - I would certainly recommdn the Professional edition of Total Recorder to be in your application toolbox. http://www.totalrecorder.com/recording_Internet-telephony_conversations.htm -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia :0390058589 Phone United States :8159261869 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS +61 438 571201 MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
CDEX Version 1.70 Beta 3 is now Available
CDEX version 1.70 beta 3 is now available and one place where you can download it from is at www.majorgeeks.com/CDex_d4574.html. So far I haven't been able to find a list of changes for this version. Also I don't use CDEX myself so I don't know if this beta is still accessible. More information about this beta appears below. -Steve. This version features a new hybrid installation approach. The installer includes the new 1.70 Beta 3 version with many updates, but also the old Beta 2 Unicode and Non Unicode releases. The installer is available in over 40 languages and the installation directly includes all the available translations for CDex. Regards Steve Email: s...@internode.on.net MSN Messenger: internetuser...@hotmail.com Skype: steve1963 Twitter: steve9782 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Tutorial: Recording an Internet-telephony conversations, Phone recording system.
Hi, My name is Lisa and I'm new to this list: I have one quick question couldn't you also do the same with gold wave as total recorder. Suppose someone wants to record from the victor stream instead of using a tape player could you get the same results from both pieces of soft wear? Or is one better than the other? thanks' Lisa - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: Tutorial: Recording an Internet-telephony conversations,Phone recording system. Hi everyone! I response to a question from Steve yesterday regarding recording Skype conversations, Googletalk etc, I know he wasn't exactly talking about those pieces of software but the link to the following tutorial on the Total Recorder web site should help with most audio chat applications. For those who record audio - whether it be from the net or from a tape deck - I would certainly recommdn the Professional edition of Total Recorder to be in your application toolbox. http://www.totalrecorder.com/recording_Internet-telephony_conversations.htm -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia :0390058589 Phone United States :8159261869 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS +61 438 571201 MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Problems Playing WMV and MOV Files
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RE: Problems Playing WMV and MOV Files
this evening. I unloaded Jaws, then tried to play the file, and for some inexplicable reason, it started playing. I do not understand why as my sound card (Realtek High Definition) is more than capable of playing more than one sound at a time, but this was finally the solution which did the trick. I have no idea what it is about Jaws which is blocking the playback of the file, but have contacted the Jaws dealers in the UK to ask for an explanation. In the meantime, it's easy enough to unload Jaws first, and I can even re-load it once the file is playing with no ill effects. I just wish I'd thought of this about a week ago! Thanks for your interest, and this is a solution I won't forget in a hurry. I have just received Jaws 11, so will install that and see if it suffers from the same problem. Caroline. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4589 (20091109) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4589 (20091109) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4593 (20091110) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4597 (2009) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4601 (20091112) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4607 (20091114) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4610 (20091115) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4610 (20091115) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Recording Audio
Hi! For the purposes of this discussion - as Lisa's asked a perfectly valid question - I've changed the subject line to avoid confusion. Yes products like Goldwave, Sound Forge, Total Recorded, Audacity and Wavepad have the ability to record from at least the input or multiple audio input hardware sources of a computer and that's where Total Recorder is different, this software has the purpose built ability to record any audio which is coming in and out of a Windows computer and this includes software streams such as Internet broadcasts, Skye chats, streams of audio being played by another application such as Winamp or Windows media player and so on, to my knowledge software such as Sound Forge, Goldwave, audacity and Wavepad cannot capture this type of audio so that's where Total Recorder comes into its own. As to what you want or need? Well that's a personal choice, you may find yourself buying one or more applications for your use, Total Recorder for example is excellent! for the person who wants to Record audio, with its built-in tools and flexibility it can't be beaten and the Professional edition has a good built-in audio editor to boot. On the other hand of you're thinking abut doing audio editing which requires the precise manipulation of sound they you may have to go for a piece of software with better editing capabilities such as Sound Forge or Goldwave, I personally recommend Goldwave over Sound Forge and I've documented a lot of my reasons why on this list. The really great thing is that you can get both Total Recorder and Goldwave - in other words a great recording and a great editing tool - for well under a hundred dollars, armed with these 2 pieces of software you'll have most of what you'll ever require for manipulating sound on your computer, burning sound to CD and so on. The primers I gave a link to on the Total Recorder web site can be adapted to other applications in the main because the steps outlined are pretty straight forward though some may not apply to different applications as outlined above. On 16/11/2009, at 5:22 AM, equest1 wrote: Hi, My name is Lisa and I'm new to this list: I have one quick question couldn't you also do the same with gold wave as total recorder. Suppose someone wants to record from the victor stream instead of using a tape player could you get the same results from both pieces of soft wear? Or is one better than the other? thanks' Lisa - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: Tutorial: Recording an Internet-telephony conversations,Phone recording system. Hi everyone! I response to a question from Steve yesterday regarding recording Skype conversations, Googletalk etc, I know he wasn't exactly talking about those pieces of software but the link to the following tutorial on the Total Recorder web site should help with most audio chat applications. For those who record audio - whether it be from the net or from a tape deck - I would certainly recommdn the Professional edition of Total Recorder to be in your application toolbox. http://www.totalrecorder.com/recording_Internet-telephony_conversations.htm -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia :0390058589 Phone United States :8159261869 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS +61 438 571201 MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Recording Audio
Sorry, must contradict the below. I use Sound forge and Audio Studio to record what's going through the sound card of my computers; not only that but skype conversations and YouTube and BBC streams at high quality. This has meant I don't need to move from my computer to get interviews with some local people as Skype recorded via Sound forge does it very nicely.Streams as well. All that is necessary to do this is to select the right input device in the appropriate recording software's input/output settings. Of course the mixer, (M Audio Delta for the most part in my case) has to be set so that the output faders are right up, or nearly so. the other faders will control levels of line input/ as well as SPDIF, and line and digital outs of the Delta card. Much the same goes for the more humble and grotty on-board sound of my other computer, but Sound Studio (and goldwave) will record what's going through the sound card once the right input has been set. That's often the tricky part and where people often come unstuck. I agree whole heartedly though that goldWave and Total recorder are very good, the latter if you aren't going to do a lot of editing. It depends far more on your sound card, it's settings and the setup of editing software - if that's what you are using. total Recorder would, of course, make things much easier, as well as saving money. Ray Dane Trethowan wrote: Hi! For the purposes of this discussion - as Lisa's asked a perfectly valid question - I've changed the subject line to avoid confusion. Yes products like Goldwave, Sound Forge, Total Recorded, Audacity and Wavepad have the ability to record from at least the input or multiple audio input hardware sources of a computer and that's where Total Recorder is different, this software has the purpose built ability to record any audio which is coming in and out of a Windows computer and this includes software streams such as Internet broadcasts, Skye chats, streams of audio being played by another application such as Winamp or Windows media player and so on, to my knowledge software such as Sound Forge, Goldwave, audacity and Wavepad cannot capture this type of audio so that's where Total Recorder comes into its own. As to what you want or need? Well that's a personal choice, you may find yourself buying one or more applications for your use, Total Recorder for example is excellent! for the person who wants to Record audio, with its built-in tools and flexibility it can't be beaten and the Professional edition has a good built-in audio editor to boot. On the other hand of you're thinking abut doing audio editing which requires the precise manipulation of sound they you may have to go for a piece of software with better editing capabilities such as Sound Forge or Goldwave, I personally recommend Goldwave over Sound Forge and I've documented a lot of my reasons why on this list. The really great thing is that you can get both Total Recorder and Goldwave - in other words a great recording and a great editing tool - for well under a hundred dollars, armed with these 2 pieces of software you'll have most of what you'll ever require for manipulating sound on your computer, burning sound to CD and so on. The primers I gave a link to on the Total Recorder web site can be adapted to other applications in the main because the steps outlined are pretty straight forward though some may not apply to different applications as outlined above. On 16/11/2009, at 5:22 AM, equest1 wrote: Hi, My name is Lisa and I'm new to this list: I have one quick question couldn't you also do the same with gold wave as total recorder. Suppose someone wants to record from the victor stream instead of using a tape player could you get the same results from both pieces of soft wear? Or is one better than the other? thanks' Lisa - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: Tutorial: Recording an Internet-telephony conversations,Phone recording system. Hi everyone! I response to a question from Steve yesterday regarding recording Skype conversations, Googletalk etc, I know he wasn't exactly talking about those pieces of software but the link to the following tutorial on the Total Recorder web site should help with most audio chat applications. For those who record audio - whether it be from the net or from a tape deck - I would certainly recommdn the Professional edition of Total Recorder to be in your application toolbox. http://www.totalrecorder.com/recording_Internet-telephony_conversations.htm -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia :0390058589 Phone United States :8159261869 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS +61 438 571201 MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 Twitter:
Re: Recording Audio
Very good, well I did say as far as I know smile. On 16/11/2009, at 10:51 AM, Ray wrote: Sorry, must contradict the below. I use Sound forge and Audio Studio to record what's going through the sound card of my computers; not only that but skype conversations and YouTube and BBC streams at high quality. This has meant I don't need to move from my computer to get interviews with some local people as Skype recorded via Sound forge does it very nicely.Streams as well. All that is necessary to do this is to select the right input device in the appropriate recording software's input/output settings. Of course the mixer, (M Audio Delta for the most part in my case) has to be set so that the output faders are right up, or nearly so. the other faders will control levels of line input/ as well as SPDIF, and line and digital outs of the Delta card. Much the same goes for the more humble and grotty on-board sound of my other computer, but Sound Studio (and goldwave) will record what's going through the sound card once the right input has been set. That's often the tricky part and where people often come unstuck. I agree whole heartedly though that goldWave and Total recorder are very good, the latter if you aren't going to do a lot of editing. It depends far more on your sound card, it's settings and the setup of editing software - if that's what you are using. total Recorder would, of course, make things much easier, as well as saving money. Ray Dane Trethowan wrote: Hi! For the purposes of this discussion - as Lisa's asked a perfectly valid question - I've changed the subject line to avoid confusion. Yes products like Goldwave, Sound Forge, Total Recorded, Audacity and Wavepad have the ability to record from at least the input or multiple audio input hardware sources of a computer and that's where Total Recorder is different, this software has the purpose built ability to record any audio which is coming in and out of a Windows computer and this includes software streams such as Internet broadcasts, Skye chats, streams of audio being played by another application such as Winamp or Windows media player and so on, to my knowledge software such as Sound Forge, Goldwave, audacity and Wavepad cannot capture this type of audio so that's where Total Recorder comes into its own. As to what you want or need? Well that's a personal choice, you may find yourself buying one or more applications for your use, Total Recorder for example is excellent! for the person who wants to Record audio, with its built-in tools and flexibility it can't be beaten and the Professional edition has a good built-in audio editor to boot. On the other hand of you're thinking abut doing audio editing which requires the precise manipulation of sound they you may have to go for a piece of software with better editing capabilities such as Sound Forge or Goldwave, I personally recommend Goldwave over Sound Forge and I've documented a lot of my reasons why on this list. The really great thing is that you can get both Total Recorder and Goldwave - in other words a great recording and a great editing tool - for well under a hundred dollars, armed with these 2 pieces of software you'll have most of what you'll ever require for manipulating sound on your computer, burning sound to CD and so on. The primers I gave a link to on the Total Recorder web site can be adapted to other applications in the main because the steps outlined are pretty straight forward though some may not apply to different applications as outlined above. On 16/11/2009, at 5:22 AM, equest1 wrote: Hi, My name is Lisa and I'm new to this list: I have one quick question couldn't you also do the same with gold wave as total recorder. Suppose someone wants to record from the victor stream instead of using a tape player could you get the same results from both pieces of soft wear? Or is one better than the other? thanks' Lisa - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: Tutorial: Recording an Internet-telephony conversations,Phone recording system. Hi everyone! I response to a question from Steve yesterday regarding recording Skype conversations, Googletalk etc, I know he wasn't exactly talking about those pieces of software but the link to the following tutorial on the Total Recorder web site should help with most audio chat applications. For those who record audio - whether it be from the net or from a tape deck - I would certainly recommdn the Professional edition of Total Recorder to be in your application toolbox. http://www.totalrecorder.com/recording_Internet-telephony_conversations.htm -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia
RE: Recording Audio
Hi, Just curious, you said I use Sound forge and Audio Studio What is Audio Studio, I presume you weren't referring to Studio Recorder? The name is so general, I had no luck doing a Google search for it. Thanks Tim -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:51 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Recording Audio Sorry, must contradict the below. I use Sound forge and Audio Studio to record what's going through the sound card of my computers; not only that but skype conversations and YouTube and BBC streams at high quality. This has meant I don't need to move from my computer to get interviews with some local people as Skype recorded via Sound forge does it very nicely.Streams as well. All that is necessary to do this is to select the right input device in the appropriate recording software's input/output settings. Of course the mixer, (M Audio Delta for the most part in my case) has to be set so that the output faders are right up, or nearly so. the other faders will control levels of line input/ as well as SPDIF, and line and digital outs of the Delta card. Much the same goes for the more humble and grotty on-board sound of my other computer, but Sound Studio (and goldwave) will record what's going through the sound card once the right input has been set. That's often the tricky part and where people often come unstuck. I agree whole heartedly though that goldWave and Total recorder are very good, the latter if you aren't going to do a lot of editing. It depends far more on your sound card, it's settings and the setup of editing software - if that's what you are using. total Recorder would, of course, make things much easier, as well as saving money. Ray Dane Trethowan wrote: Hi! For the purposes of this discussion - as Lisa's asked a perfectly valid question - I've changed the subject line to avoid confusion. Yes products like Goldwave, Sound Forge, Total Recorded, Audacity and Wavepad have the ability to record from at least the input or multiple audio input hardware sources of a computer and that's where Total Recorder is different, this software has the purpose built ability to record any audio which is coming in and out of a Windows computer and this includes software streams such as Internet broadcasts, Skye chats, streams of audio being played by another application such as Winamp or Windows media player and so on, to my knowledge software such as Sound Forge, Goldwave, audacity and Wavepad cannot capture this type of audio so that's where Total Recorder comes into its own. As to what you want or need? Well that's a personal choice, you may find yourself buying one or more applications for your use, Total Recorder for example is excellent! for the person who wants to Record audio, with its built-in tools and flexibility it can't be beaten and the Professional edition has a good built-in audio editor to boot. On the other hand of you're thinking abut doing audio editing which requires the precise manipulation of sound they you may have to go for a piece of software with better editing capabilities such as Sound Forge or Goldwave, I personally recommend Goldwave over Sound Forge and I've documented a lot of my reasons why on this list. The really great thing is that you can get both Total Recorder and Goldwave - in other words a great recording and a great editing tool - for well under a hundred dollars, armed with these 2 pieces of software you'll have most of what you'll ever require for manipulating sound on your computer, burning sound to CD and so on. The primers I gave a link to on the Total Recorder web site can be adapted to other applications in the main because the steps outlined are pretty straight forward though some may not apply to different applications as outlined above. On 16/11/2009, at 5:22 AM, equest1 wrote: Hi, My name is Lisa and I'm new to this list: I have one quick question couldn't you also do the same with gold wave as total recorder. Suppose someone wants to record from the victor stream instead of using a tape player could you get the same results from both pieces of soft wear? Or is one better than the other? thanks' Lisa - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: Tutorial: Recording an Internet-telephony conversations,Phone recording system. Hi everyone! I response to a question from Steve yesterday regarding recording Skype conversations, Googletalk etc, I know he wasn't exactly talking about those pieces of software but the link to the following tutorial on the Total Recorder web site should help with most audio chat applications. For those who record audio - whether it be from the net or from a tape deck - I would certainly recommdn the Professional edition of
Re: Recording Audio
There's Sound Forge Audio Studio? That's the basic version of Sound Forge, I wouldn't recommend it personally but each to their own. Tim Noonan wrote: Hi, Just curious, you said I use Sound forge and Audio Studio What is Audio Studio, I presume you weren't referring to Studio Recorder? The name is so general, I had no luck doing a Google search for it. Thanks Tim -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:51 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Recording Audio Sorry, must contradict the below. I use Sound forge and Audio Studio to record what's going through the sound card of my computers; not only that but skype conversations and YouTube and BBC streams at high quality. This has meant I don't need to move from my computer to get interviews with some local people as Skype recorded via Sound forge does it very nicely.Streams as well. All that is necessary to do this is to select the right input device in the appropriate recording software's input/output settings. Of course the mixer, (M Audio Delta for the most part in my case) has to be set so that the output faders are right up, or nearly so. the other faders will control levels of line input/ as well as SPDIF, and line and digital outs of the Delta card. Much the same goes for the more humble and grotty on-board sound of my other computer, but Sound Studio (and goldwave) will record what's going through the sound card once the right input has been set. That's often the tricky part and where people often come unstuck. I agree whole heartedly though that goldWave and Total recorder are very good, the latter if you aren't going to do a lot of editing. It depends far more on your sound card, it's settings and the setup of editing software - if that's what you are using. total Recorder would, of course, make things much easier, as well as saving money. Ray Dane Trethowan wrote: Hi! For the purposes of this discussion - as Lisa's asked a perfectly valid question - I've changed the subject line to avoid confusion. Yes products like Goldwave, Sound Forge, Total Recorded, Audacity and Wavepad have the ability to record from at least the input or multiple audio input hardware sources of a computer and that's where Total Recorder is different, this software has the purpose built ability to record any audio which is coming in and out of a Windows computer and this includes software streams such as Internet broadcasts, Skye chats, streams of audio being played by another application such as Winamp or Windows media player and so on, to my knowledge software such as Sound Forge, Goldwave, audacity and Wavepad cannot capture this type of audio so that's where Total Recorder comes into its own. As to what you want or need? Well that's a personal choice, you may find yourself buying one or more applications for your use, Total Recorder for example is excellent! for the person who wants to Record audio, with its built-in tools and flexibility it can't be beaten and the Professional edition has a good built-in audio editor to boot. On the other hand of you're thinking abut doing audio editing which requires the precise manipulation of sound they you may have to go for a piece of software with better editing capabilities such as Sound Forge or Goldwave, I personally recommend Goldwave over Sound Forge and I've documented a lot of my reasons why on this list. The really great thing is that you can get both Total Recorder and Goldwave - in other words a great recording and a great editing tool - for well under a hundred dollars, armed with these 2 pieces of software you'll have most of what you'll ever require for manipulating sound on your computer, burning sound to CD and so on. The primers I gave a link to on the Total Recorder web site can be adapted to other applications in the main because the steps outlined are pretty straight forward though some may not apply to different applications as outlined above. On 16/11/2009, at 5:22 AM, equest1 wrote: Hi, My name is Lisa and I'm new to this list: I have one quick question couldn't you also do the same with gold wave as total recorder. Suppose someone wants to record from the victor stream instead of using a tape player could you get the same results from both pieces of soft wear? Or is one better than the other? thanks' Lisa - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: Tutorial: Recording an Internet-telephony conversations,Phone recording system. Hi everyone! I response to a question from Steve yesterday regarding recording Skype conversations, Googletalk etc, I know he wasn't exactly talking about those pieces of software but the link to the following tutorial on the Total Recorder web site should help
RE: Recording Audio
for being so inprecise. I mean Sony Sound Forge Audio Studio, I think it's called -the cut down version of sound Forge.Sorry Tim Ray Tim Noonan wrote: Hi, Just curious, you said I use Sound forge and Audio Studio What is Audio Studio, I presume you weren't referring to Studio Recorder? The name is so general, I had no luck doing a Google search for it. Thanks Tim -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:51 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Recording Audio Sorry, must contradict the below. I use Sound forge and Audio Studio to record what's going through the sound card of my computers; not only that but skype conversations and YouTube and BBC streams at high quality. This has meant I don't need to move from my computer to get interviews with some local people as Skype recorded via Sound forge does it very nicely.Streams as well. All that is necessary to do this is to select the right input device in the appropriate recording software's input/output settings. Of course the mixer, (M Audio Delta for the most part in my case) has to be set so that the output faders are right up, or nearly so. the other faders will control levels of line input/ as well as SPDIF, and line and digital outs of the Delta card. Much the same goes for the more humble and grotty on-board sound of my other computer, but Sound Studio (and goldwave) will record what's going through the sound card once the right input has been set. That's often the tricky part and where people often come unstuck. I agree whole heartedly though that goldWave and Total recorder are very good, the latter if you aren't going to do a lot of editing. It depends far more on your sound card, it's settings and the setup of editing software - if that's what you are using. total Recorder would, of course, make things much easier, as well as saving money. Ray Dane Trethowan wrote: Hi! For the purposes of this discussion - as Lisa's asked a perfectly valid question - I've changed the subject line to avoid confusion. Yes products like Goldwave, Sound Forge, Total Recorded, Audacity and Wavepad have the ability to record from at least the input or multiple audio input hardware sources of a computer and that's where Total Recorder is different, this software has the purpose built ability to record any audio which is coming in and out of a Windows computer and this includes software streams such as Internet broadcasts, Skye chats, streams of audio being played by another application such as Winamp or Windows media player and so on, to my knowledge software such as Sound Forge, Goldwave, audacity and Wavepad cannot capture this type of audio so that's where Total Recorder comes into its own. As to what you want or need? Well that's a personal choice, you may find yourself buying one or more applications for your use, Total Recorder for example is excellent! for the person who wants to Record audio, with its built-in tools and flexibility it can't be beaten and the Professional edition has a good built-in audio editor to boot. On the other hand of you're thinking abut doing audio editing which requires the precise manipulation of sound they you may have to go for a piece of software with better editing capabilities such as Sound Forge or Goldwave, I personally recommend Goldwave over Sound Forge and I've documented a lot of my reasons why on this list. The really great thing is that you can get both Total Recorder and Goldwave - in other words a great recording and a great editing tool - for well under a hundred dollars, armed with these 2 pieces of software you'll have most of what you'll ever require for manipulating sound on your computer, burning sound to CD and so on. The primers I gave a link to on the Total Recorder web site can be adapted to other applications in the main because the steps outlined are pretty straight forward though some may not apply to different applications as outlined above. On 16/11/2009, at 5:22 AM, equest1 wrote: Hi, My name is Lisa and I'm new to this list: I have one quick question couldn't you also do the same with gold wave as total recorder. Suppose someone wants to record from the victor stream instead of using a tape player could you get the same results from both pieces of soft wear? Or is one better than the other? thanks' Lisa - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: Tutorial: Recording an Internet-telephony conversations,Phone recording system. Hi everyone! I response to a question from Steve yesterday regarding recording Skype conversations, Googletalk etc, I know he wasn't exactly talking about those pieces of software but the link to the following tutorial on the Total Recorder web site should help with most audio
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Hi, I would recommend the ats909 from ccrane. Pam - Original Message - From: thao vy thaovy...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: shortwave radio Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Thank you Pam. - Original Message - From: Pam Walters pamwalter...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio Hi, I would recommend the ats909 from ccrane. Pam - Original Message - From: thao vy thaovy...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: shortwave radio Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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the ATS909 radio is made by Sangean actually, and I don't know for sure if they make that model any more. you can look at Sony and Kaido models too, which are more affordable and work just as well. - Original Message - From: Pam Walters pamwalter...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio Hi, I would recommend the ats909 from ccrane. Pam - Original Message - From: thao vy thaovy...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: shortwave radio Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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A nice consideration about Pam's C Crane/Sangean 909 suggestion is that C Crane provides cassette directions for many of its products, probably including the 909. You must request it, but the cassette is free. I know C Crane sells Sangean products. I don't believe they offer the other brands you mention here, and they certainly don't promote them the way they do Sangean. The man who does these cassettes does an excellent job, and I'm sorry that his name escapes me as I write. Since you rightly bring up price, it is worth subscribing to C Crane's email notifications because they have periodic sales and also sell what they call orphans at a discount. No, I'm not an employee. I'm just a very satisfied customer. Sadly for me, no shortwave radio works well here in my section of Brooklyn. I've tried a couple of C Crane's shortwave radios, but have had to return them for the full refund they promise within thirty days. - Original Message - From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio the ATS909 radio is made by Sangean actually, and I don't know for sure if they make that model any more. you can look at Sony and Kaido models too, which are more affordable and work just as well. - Original Message - From: Pam Walters pamwalter...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio Hi, I would recommend the ats909 from ccrane. Pam - Original Message - From: thao vy thaovy...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: shortwave radio Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Sorry to belabor this subject and to sound like a salesperson, but a few more notes. First, I find Sangean's sound quality better than Sony's. I have Sangean's non-shortwave radios, and they're wonderful for small models. Second, I referred to the radios I've returned to C Crane, but I've kept most items I've bought over the years. Okay, the website address: http://www.ccrane.com - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:53 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio A nice consideration about Pam's C Crane/Sangean 909 suggestion is that C Crane provides cassette directions for many of its products, probably including the 909. You must request it, but the cassette is free. I know C Crane sells Sangean products. I don't believe they offer the other brands you mention here, and they certainly don't promote them the way they do Sangean. The man who does these cassettes does an excellent job, and I'm sorry that his name escapes me as I write. Since you rightly bring up price, it is worth subscribing to C Crane's email notifications because they have periodic sales and also sell what they call orphans at a discount. No, I'm not an employee. I'm just a very satisfied customer. Sadly for me, no shortwave radio works well here in my section of Brooklyn. I've tried a couple of C Crane's shortwave radios, but have had to return them for the full refund they promise within thirty days. - Original Message - From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio the ATS909 radio is made by Sangean actually, and I don't know for sure if they make that model any more. you can look at Sony and Kaido models too, which are more affordable and work just as well. - Original Message - From: Pam Walters pamwalter...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio Hi, I would recommend the ats909 from ccrane. Pam - Original Message - From: thao vy thaovy...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: shortwave radio Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I seem to think the guy who does the cassettes for C Crane is Bob. I live in a valley here, and it doesn't matter what radio you have, reception stinks, whether it be the Sangean ATS909, 918 or the Sony ICF-236, whatever. for the most part, C Crane sells the best of the best, so whom ever can't go wrong whith whatever radio they buy. - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:53 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio A nice consideration about Pam's C Crane/Sangean 909 suggestion is that C Crane provides cassette directions for many of its products, probably including the 909. You must request it, but the cassette is free. I know C Crane sells Sangean products. I don't believe they offer the other brands you mention here, and they certainly don't promote them the way they do Sangean. The man who does these cassettes does an excellent job, and I'm sorry that his name escapes me as I write. Since you rightly bring up price, it is worth subscribing to C Crane's email notifications because they have periodic sales and also sell what they call orphans at a discount. No, I'm not an employee. I'm just a very satisfied customer. Sadly for me, no shortwave radio works well here in my section of Brooklyn. I've tried a couple of C Crane's shortwave radios, but have had to return them for the full refund they promise within thirty days. - Original Message - From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio the ATS909 radio is made by Sangean actually, and I don't know for sure if they make that model any more. you can look at Sony and Kaido models too, which are more affordable and work just as well. - Original Message - From: Pam Walters pamwalter...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio Hi, I would recommend the ats909 from ccrane. Pam - Original Message - From: thao vy thaovy...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: shortwave radio Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I have always liked the selectivity and sensitivity of Sangean radios. where Sony might have the edge is how it handles night time fade. - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio Sorry to belabor this subject and to sound like a salesperson, but a few more notes. First, I find Sangean's sound quality better than Sony's. I have Sangean's non-shortwave radios, and they're wonderful for small models. Second, I referred to the radios I've returned to C Crane, but I've kept most items I've bought over the years. Okay, the website address: http://www.ccrane.com - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:53 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio A nice consideration about Pam's C Crane/Sangean 909 suggestion is that C Crane provides cassette directions for many of its products, probably including the 909. You must request it, but the cassette is free. I know C Crane sells Sangean products. I don't believe they offer the other brands you mention here, and they certainly don't promote them the way they do Sangean. The man who does these cassettes does an excellent job, and I'm sorry that his name escapes me as I write. Since you rightly bring up price, it is worth subscribing to C Crane's email notifications because they have periodic sales and also sell what they call orphans at a discount. No, I'm not an employee. I'm just a very satisfied customer. Sadly for me, no shortwave radio works well here in my section of Brooklyn. I've tried a couple of C Crane's shortwave radios, but have had to return them for the full refund they promise within thirty days. - Original Message - From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio the ATS909 radio is made by Sangean actually, and I don't know for sure if they make that model any more. you can look at Sony and Kaido models too, which are more affordable and work just as well. - Original Message - From: Pam Walters pamwalter...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio Hi, I would recommend the ats909 from ccrane. Pam - Original Message - From: thao vy thaovy...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: shortwave radio Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I could recommend you a good one but is there really any point? Last time I listened to the shortwave band - about 6 months ago - there really wasn't anything there apart from a couple of Christian radio stations On 16/11/2009, at 1:02 PM, thao vy wrote: Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Hi, Gary. I believe Bob Crane is the company's owner. He's certainly the spokesperson. The guy who produces the cassettes is named Tim and, last I heard, he lived in Alabama, though his accent was hardly from there. His last name still escapes me. Tom, list owner, I'm surely testing your patience, so I'll stop here! - Original Message - From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio I seem to think the guy who does the cassettes for C Crane is Bob. I live in a valley here, and it doesn't matter what radio you have, reception stinks, whether it be the Sangean ATS909, 918 or the Sony ICF-236, whatever. for the most part, C Crane sells the best of the best, so whom ever can't go wrong whith whatever radio they buy. - Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:53 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio A nice consideration about Pam's C Crane/Sangean 909 suggestion is that C Crane provides cassette directions for many of its products, probably including the 909. You must request it, but the cassette is free. I know C Crane sells Sangean products. I don't believe they offer the other brands you mention here, and they certainly don't promote them the way they do Sangean. The man who does these cassettes does an excellent job, and I'm sorry that his name escapes me as I write. Since you rightly bring up price, it is worth subscribing to C Crane's email notifications because they have periodic sales and also sell what they call orphans at a discount. No, I'm not an employee. I'm just a very satisfied customer. Sadly for me, no shortwave radio works well here in my section of Brooklyn. I've tried a couple of C Crane's shortwave radios, but have had to return them for the full refund they promise within thirty days. - Original Message - From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio the ATS909 radio is made by Sangean actually, and I don't know for sure if they make that model any more. you can look at Sony and Kaido models too, which are more affordable and work just as well. - Original Message - From: Pam Walters pamwalter...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: shortwave radio Hi, I would recommend the ats909 from ccrane. Pam - Original Message - From: thao vy thaovy...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: shortwave radio Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Hello, I would suggest to you the VAL RSW-801 radio, but it is kind of expensive. It cost $849. It has 2 bands of short wave. SW-1 and SW-2. Plus, it is an excellent am fm stereo receiver too as well. I have one of these radios, I couldn't be any happier with any other radio! I got mine from: www.questforsound.com It is a very nice looking radio, according to my sighted wife. But I like its sound and the fact that it can pull in week stations without any problems. My best regards to you all. John. - Original Message - From: thao vy thaovy...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: shortwave radio Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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The grundig line of radios are very good and have agood front end. They are resonably priced as well. . - Original Message - From: thao vy thaovy...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:02 PM Subject: shortwave radio Could someone please recommend a good shortwave radio that I can purchase? Thanks. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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to amend the information Dane gave. If your sound card has stereo mix or What you hear in the record section, with these features turned on you can capture anything that goes through the sound card. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Recording Audio Hi! For the purposes of this discussion - as Lisa's asked a perfectly valid question - I've changed the subject line to avoid confusion. Yes products like Goldwave, Sound Forge, Total Recorded, Audacity and Wavepad have the ability to record from at least the input or multiple audio input hardware sources of a computer and that's where Total Recorder is different, this software has the purpose built ability to record any audio which is coming in and out of a Windows computer and this includes software streams such as Internet broadcasts, Skye chats, streams of audio being played by another application such as Winamp or Windows media player and so on, to my knowledge software such as Sound Forge, Goldwave, audacity and Wavepad cannot capture this type of audio so that's where Total Recorder comes into its own. As to what you want or need? Well that's a personal choice, you may find yourself buying one or more applications for your use, Total Recorder for example is excellent! for the person who wants to Record audio, with its built-in tools and flexibility it can't be beaten and the Professional edition has a good built-in audio editor to boot. On the other hand of you're thinking abut doing audio editing which requires the precise manipulation of sound they you may have to go for a piece of software with better editing capabilities such as Sound Forge or Goldwave, I personally recommend Goldwave over Sound Forge and I've documented a lot of my reasons why on this list. The really great thing is that you can get both Total Recorder and Goldwave - in other words a great recording and a great editing tool - for well under a hundred dollars, armed with these 2 pieces of software you'll have most of what you'll ever require for manipulating sound on your computer, burning sound to CD and so on. The primers I gave a link to on the Total Recorder web site can be adapted to other applications in the main because the steps outlined are pretty straight forward though some may not apply to different applications as outlined above. On 16/11/2009, at 5:22 AM, equest1 wrote: Hi, My name is Lisa and I'm new to this list: I have one quick question couldn't you also do the same with gold wave as total recorder. Suppose someone wants to record from the victor stream instead of using a tape player could you get the same results from both pieces of soft wear? Or is one better than the other? thanks' Lisa - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:16 AM Subject: Tutorial: Recording an Internet-telephony conversations,Phone recording system. Hi everyone! I response to a question from Steve yesterday regarding recording Skype conversations, Googletalk etc, I know he wasn't exactly talking about those pieces of software but the link to the following tutorial on the Total Recorder web site should help with most audio chat applications. For those who record audio - whether it be from the net or from a tape deck - I would certainly recommdn the Professional edition of Total Recorder to be in your application toolbox. http://www.totalrecorder.com/recording_Internet-telephony_conversations.htm -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia :0390058589 Phone United States :8159261869 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS +61 438 571201 MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:grtd...@internode.on.net Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com Phone United Kingdom 02032874641 Phone Australia 0390058589 Phone United States 8159261869 Fax: +61 3 9743 7954x MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net skype:grtdane12 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
