Re: Out of curiosity: A question for the pros
Walt, here are my few pixels. Personally, I don't do montages, collages and other digital art forms. No specific reason except that I'd like to better myself as a photographer, not as a graphic artist. I don't have any specific /system/ as to how to decide which image to save and which to dispose of. Few random points * I tend to keep more weaker images if it has to do with my family/friends album, due to obvious emotional reasons. * I tend to keep photos from my international trips for similar reasons but I don't shoot like I am holding a machine gun, so it is not /that many/ images anyway. * Since I got K-7, I am this close to 10K shutter clicks. Had a look few days ago and under K-7 I have slightly less than 7K images in my collection. So, I reckon I delete (chimp off or otherwise later) about 1/3 of what I shoot. Given what Tanya and others said about the size of one's trash bin, I am pretty weak amateur ;-). Boris On 10/5/2010 7:37 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: That said, what do all of you real photographers do with images that may be flawed, but still have some redeeming qualities to them. For instance, a shot that's too poorly focused to rescue with sharpening tools and so forth, but does capture a sense of action that is somewhat appealing. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: It ain't like it used to be.
On Oct 5, 2010, at 02:04 , Boris Liberman wrote: On 10/5/2010 9:30 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: I think I will let this slide for now, even though it is a crappy system that makes these kinds of side-show shenanigans (worked that into a sentence) with Pentax's top of the line DA optics. Joe, with all due respect, I think that you might be making a mistake here. 3x for emphasis? Boris, the lenses will be two years old next month. If I can get them to work with a little manual manipulation, which is free, why would I send them to CRIS to a couple of hundred apiece to have the parts replaced? Especially so in that I don't use them or any of my equipment for monitory gain. I cannot afford to fix what Pentax wrought on my fixed retiree's income. Disappointed? Yes. Able to do anything about it? No! I'm not going to bug Ned Bunnell in an attempt to get a free fix unless the lens fails me again at the park this afternoon and I can't get it going once more. Later The lens behaved itself this afternoon, with the exception that I don't think it's a very sharp lens, and that I could focus it better manually than with AF on. (only one sample, so not certain). -- It's not that life is too short, it's that you're dead for so long.. — Anon Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
On Oct 5, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hello there. If you receive this message more than once please reply. Otherwise, you don't /really/ have to bother. Boris, I only noticed multiple copies of a couple of your posts, not all of them. So sending one ping isn't definitive. Cheers. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
On 10/6/2010 8:01 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Boris, I only noticed multiple copies of a couple of your posts, not all of them. So sending one ping isn't definitive. I don't want to (bore and) ping PDML to its untimely demise. Also, you're the only person reported the problem. May be others did not notice. That's why the ping... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: It ain't like it used to be.
On Oct 5, 2010, at 10:22 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling On 10/5/2010 7:01 PM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 01:49:18PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:43 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Well ... not a real car. I'd get my MG running again, but that's not really for transportation. I need to get my MGBGT back on the road too. And being a BGT, it actually makes pretty decent transportation. That's a matter of opinion ... I grew up with MGBs. They were perhaps a little better than the Ford Escort beloved by the boy racers of the next generation, but only a little better. Still, at least they were better than the Triumph Spitfire or MG Midget. In those days I drove a Triumph Vitesse convertible; lighter than an MGB, with a two-litre straight 6 engine (the MGB GT had an 1800cc 4-banger). A friend of mine had an MGC. Now *that* was a nice bit of machinery. Too bad it didn't have nice electrics to go with it. 'cause Lucas also makes refrigerators ... yada, yada yada! Yeah, I know... Off, dim and flicker. yeah, I know. Interestingly, the least reliable electrics I ever had was my 1st gen Rx7, which went through several alternators a year. I found that mopar alternators on MGBs were even less reliable than Lucas. And even at their worst, at least Lucas electrics aren't Marelli. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: It ain't like it used to be.
On 10/6/2010 8:02 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: Boris, the lenses will be two years old next month. If I can get them to work with a little manual manipulation, which is free, why would I send them to CRIS to a couple of hundred apiece to have the parts replaced? Especially so in that I don't use them or any of my equipment for monitory gain. I cannot afford to fix what Pentax wrought on my fixed retiree's income. Joe, I am not going to /argue/ with you here. It is your call to make. If I were you, I'd be contacting Pentax Israel (well, if I were you living here ;-) ). Disappointed? Yes. Able to do anything about it? No! I'm not going to bug Ned Bunnell in an attempt to get a free fix unless the lens fails me again at the park this afternoon and I can't get it going once more. No need to bug Ned, especially, if I were you, I wouldn't know local Ned's equivalent anyway ;-). Later The lens behaved itself this afternoon, with the exception that I don't think it's a very sharp lens, and that I could focus it better manually than with AF on. (only one sample, so not certain). From what I gathered reading forumae (I'd use my form here ;-) ) including mail list/i/ ;-) such as this one, the SDM failure is often gradual. It starts to act up and then it behaves but eventually it just breaks down leaving you with manual focus lens. Don't trust me on this one, as I am playing the broken phone here. But if I am not confusing things, then you might be wrong thinking that it will work after you play with it some. We can continue off-list, obviously. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Race Prep
nice shot - that's not a fag in his mouth though or is it? I always find the combination of bicycling and smoking to be a bit of a cognitive dissonance, as out here in the boonies where bikes aren't very practical transportation they seem to be mostly a toy used by people trying to get in shape. Exactly the sort of people who don't smoke. over here in Yurp a lot of people still use bikes because it's the only practical transport they can afford. They'd dump the bikes as soon as they could afford to. I often see people pedalling slowly along the road enjoying a nice fag. I agree about the cognitive dissonance - I always find it surprising. A lot of them are surprisingly fast cyclists though. They remind me of the old grandmother in Belleville Rendezvous. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHB_dzJOk4U B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Race Prep
No big whoop, just a slice of messenger life: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/race-prep.html that's a lovely atmospheric shot. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Out of curiosity: A question for the pros
On 5/10/10, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: Don't listen to Frank or Cotty is a good start. Now we know where you loyalties lie, eh Frank! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
maybe tracert would help more? =P 2010/10/6 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: On 10/6/2010 8:01 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Boris, I only noticed multiple copies of a couple of your posts, not all of them. So sending one ping isn't definitive. I don't want to (bore and) ping PDML to its untimely demise. Also, you're the only person reported the problem. May be others did not notice. That's why the ping... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
In what way? Or how? Will you enlighten me, please? On 10/6/2010 9:47 AM, eckinator wrote: maybe tracert would help more? =P 2010/10/6 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com: On 10/6/2010 8:01 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Boris, I only noticed multiple copies of a couple of your posts, not all of them. So sending one ping isn't definitive. I don't want to (bore and) ping PDML to its untimely demise. Also, you're the only person reported the problem. May be others did not notice. That's why the ping... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
geso Roaring Camp
When Candice was visiting, we went over to Roaring Camp in the late afternoon to photograph a few choo-choos: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157624981386193/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: In what way? Or how? Will you enlighten me, please? I think that he was attempting to make a joke: ping verses traceroute On 10/6/2010 9:47 AM, eckinator wrote: maybe tracert would help more? =P 2010/10/6 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com: On 10/6/2010 8:01 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Boris, I only noticed multiple copies of a couple of your posts, not all of them. So sending one ping isn't definitive. I don't want to (bore and) ping PDML to its untimely demise. Also, you're the only person reported the problem. May be others did not notice. That's why the ping... In case people are puzzled, in the past few days I received about four copies of two of Boris' emails to the list, but didn't get multiples of all of them. Did this happen to anyone else? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
On 10/6/2010 10:02 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: In what way? Or how? Will you enlighten me, please? I think that he was attempting to make a joke: ping verses traceroute I am not dead, but I am serious ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO Strange Heros at BBBBQ 2010
2010/10/3 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: One question for those who might know. You turn off SR with a tripod. How about a monopod? a monopod when properly used (i.e. firmly planted and pushing down some) permits mainly lateral/frontal and/or rotational movement so I'd be inclined to add a stop or two to my SR threshold. from my readings (falk lumo etc) as a rule SR should only be used with shutter speeds so slow as to necessitate it hth ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
SDM / parts availability
Greetings, earthlings =) (In response to a thread I already deleted from my inbox) Just had a talk with Pentax Europe's former technical service manager, now 645D service (they will keep that in house) and I learned the following: - SDM failure rates are monitored and do not exceed those of other components, - Pentax is aware of the buzz about the issue but considers it unjustified, - not every perceived failure necessarily is one. SDM motors hold a charge which depletes after prolonged (months) non-use. Once discharged, the lens will no longer focus. The charge takes up to two minutes to rebuild, i.e. the lens needs to be left alone for that time while connected to a powered on camera. At times, that may still not be enough to initially overcome mechanical stiction from the long sitting period. Joseph did the right thing basically, - no information whether DC will replace SDM but the lineup will see more DC lenses eventually, - finally as to parts availability at CRIS/Pentax US: this is not the case in Europe/Germany - the law requires parts to be kept after production ends for 5 years for products costing less than € 500 and for 10 years for products costing more than that. In practice, not all manufacturers keep parts around that long because of very small demands but will offer the customer a current lineup replacement product at the cost of repair instead. I took it to mean Pentax does some of both. Hence, it might be advisable to ship older items to Europe for repair instead. HTH Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
Not surprised to hear that. It isn't a big leap to believe that much of the problem is the result of typical Pentaxian hysteria. Paul On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:53 AM, eckinator wrote: Greetings, earthlings =) (In response to a thread I already deleted from my inbox) Just had a talk with Pentax Europe's former technical service manager, now 645D service (they will keep that in house) and I learned the following: - SDM failure rates are monitored and do not exceed those of other components, - Pentax is aware of the buzz about the issue but considers it unjustified, - not every perceived failure necessarily is one. SDM motors hold a charge which depletes after prolonged (months) non-use. Once discharged, the lens will no longer focus. The charge takes up to two minutes to rebuild, i.e. the lens needs to be left alone for that time while connected to a powered on camera. At times, that may still not be enough to initially overcome mechanical stiction from the long sitting period. Joseph did the right thing basically, - no information whether DC will replace SDM but the lineup will see more DC lenses eventually, - finally as to parts availability at CRIS/Pentax US: this is not the case in Europe/Germany - the law requires parts to be kept after production ends for 5 years for products costing less than € 500 and for 10 years for products costing more than that. In practice, not all manufacturers keep parts around that long because of very small demands but will offer the customer a current lineup replacement product at the cost of repair instead. I took it to mean Pentax does some of both. Hence, it might be advisable to ship older items to Europe for repair instead. HTH Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Just had a talk with Pentax Europe's former technical service manager, now 645D service (they will keep that in house)... Hear, hear... Now, if only they'd decide that people who've spent over a grand for a K-7 or K-5 also have a right to decent service. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
JAlbum book review
Hi! Timing is crucial, you know. Galia has her birthday today and the book arrived just 1 hour ago, so I'll be bringing her a proper gift from work this evening. Presently I cannot put PDML books beside this one and compare but I can tell few things nonetheless: Good: * Hard cover with title picture printed on it. Very neat. * Heavy (for lack of better word) and thick paper. * Excellent print quality, I deliberately chose both black and white, toned and color pictures. I don't see any significant fidelity problems. I think that b/w shots are slightly colored but I fail to see what is the exact color tint. * You don't need to install any apps in order to design the book. All is done on the web. I quite like that. * Shipping was done by Fedex and they paid for all the customs and other duties. This is extremely convenient. Fedex service in Israel (my first encounter thereof) proved surprisingly forthcoming. Bad: * Very little customization. Effectively you upload the images on the web, set the book title and one or more additional fields and that's it. You can also give titles to images, but I did not do that. * Fedex shipping is on more expensive side and I did not have any other options except even more expensive Fedex shipping (express???). Neutral. * The cost of 20 pages book is USD 25 (there're some discounts but they seem to be temporary) plus shipping. Then the price goes per page as far as I understand. Conclusion: It seems to me that it is a pilot/starting project and soon enough they will make it more customizable. I sure would consider making more books with them. I'll get home this evening and perform direct comparison between this book and those that Mark produced. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
On 10/6/2010 1:16 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Not surprised to hear that. It isn't a big leap to believe that much of the problem is the result of typical Pentaxian hysteria. Paul Paul, would you make yet another leap and believe that such a hysteria is in some way special to Pentaxians? ;-) Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: If you receive this message more than once please reply. Otherwise, you don't /really/ have to bother. Give me a ping, Boris. One ping only, please. -- Marko Ramius -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
Thanks for the info, Ecke. El 06/10/2010 11:53, eckinator escribió: - SDM failure rates are monitored and do not exceed those of other components, - Pentax is aware of the buzz about the issue but considers it unjustified, - not every perceived failure necessarily is one. SDM motors hold a charge which depletes after prolonged (months) non-use. Once discharged, the lens will no longer focus. The charge takes up to two minutes to rebuild, i.e. the lens needs to be left alone for that time while connected to a powered on camera. At times, that may still not be enough to initially overcome mechanical stiction from the long sitting period. Joseph did the right thing basically, But this sounds like BS. Never heard that lenses from other manufacturers, such as Canon, Nikon, Sigma, Olympus to name a few, suffered this charge-discharge phenomenon. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO Strange Heros at BBBBQ 2010
On 2010-10-06 5:20, eckinator wrote: 2010/10/3 Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com: One question for those who might know. You turn off SR with a tripod. How about a monopod? I tested the K10D when I first got it, and decided to leave SR enabled when on the monopod. Since I'm panning on the monopod, the SR helps mainly in the vertical direction. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
-- From: eckinator Subject: SDM / parts availability - SDM failure rates are monitored and do not exceed those of other components, - Pentax is aware of the buzz about the issue but considers it unjustified, - not every perceived failure necessarily is one. SDM motors hold a charge which depletes after prolonged (months) non-use. Once discharged, the lens will no longer focus. The charge takes up to two minutes to rebuild, i.e. the lens needs to be left alone for that time while connected to a powered on camera. At times, that may still not be enough to initially overcome mechanical stiction from the long sitting period. Joseph did the right thing basically, I'm gonna call that for what I see it as, which is a load of hot steamy pile of dung. Of course, it took a trip from Canada to Japan for them to get the SDM motor in my 60-50 to rebuild a charge? And while not wanting to play the devil's advocate here, which moron at Pentax decided to make a product which could fail in the box, on the shelf, at the camera store? I realize that you are just the messenger. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO Strange Heros at BBBBQ 2010
I leave shake reduction on all the time. (It's a menu item on the K-7.) I did the same on the K20, for the most part. The cameras don't seem to care. Paul On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:20 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/10/3 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: One question for those who might know. You turn off SR with a tripod. How about a monopod? a monopod when properly used (i.e. firmly planted and pushing down some) permits mainly lateral/frontal and/or rotational movement so I'd be inclined to add a stop or two to my SR threshold. from my readings (falk lumo etc) as a rule SR should only be used with shutter speeds so slow as to necessitate it hth ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Race Prep
I like this one. The smoke in his mouth, the concentration, and the strewn about bike wheels make for an interesting shot. Dave On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:35 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: So in another thread I talked a bit about Alleycat races, messenger races through city streets through regular traffic. Basically you pay a couple of bucks (usually $10) and that goes into a kitty for the winner along with donated prizes from courier-friendly businesses. There are a series of checkpoints which are disclosed just prior to the race. Usually the finish point is kept secret until the last minute, too. You go to the checkpoints in any order you want, route yourself any way you want. As long as you get to the final checkpoint with signatures for each one on your manifest, you've finished. Most races are between 15 and 30 miles long. So here's Brian, moments after having received his manifest, figuring out which order he'll do them in. Routing is usually determined on the fly according to traffic flow, etc. No big whoop, just a slice of messenger life: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/race-prep.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Leica CL, 40mm f2.0 Summicron, TriX, low-rez scan. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Race Prep
On 10/6/2010 12:35 AM, frank theriault wrote: No big whoop, just a slice of messenger life: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/10/race-prep.html Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Leica CL, 40mm f2.0 Summicron, TriX, low-rez scan. Frank, just the other day I was standing by the reception desk of our company and a man walked in - evidently he was a bike messenger. I immediately though of you... If you hiccuped at that moment, I am not guilty :-). Is this guy holding a cigarette in his mouth??? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PAW39 - Sunset
Very creative! Boris On 10/3/2010 9:07 PM, DagT wrote: http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html K20D, da*16-5...@16mm, 1/90s, f/8, ISO200 DagT http://www.thrane.name/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Hey, Frank! I can see your house from here.
On 10/5/2010 4:04 AM, frank theriault wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Scott Lovelesssdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Shot a wedding near Niagara Falls this weekend. Pre-wedding, post-raining shot from the patio. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bUMx1Y-Gqvmre0E6_Y6NSg?feat=directlink Yup, I can see it, too. It's about twelve miles west of the CN Tower, actually between downtown Toronto and where that shot was taken (about 60 miles from TO, as the crow flies - longer by highway). Nice shot! cheers, frank Eagle's eyes for you two, gentlemen... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO; The Bench at the Winery
Jerry, is the slight lens baby effect done on purpose? Boris On 10/5/2010 4:46 AM, Jerry in Arizona wrote: Taken at the vineyard of Callaghan Winery in Sonoita, AZ. Pentax K20D, Pentax SMC DA 1:3.5-5.6 18-55mm w/2X telextender. The plaque recognizes the area as a Backyard Habitat. Jerry http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac164/gelewis_2010/_ORI8190A1_peso.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture
Bill, is it then right that a dog has an intelligence of average two-three years old child then? Asked without any put, intent to offend, etc - really curious. Boris On 10/4/2010 6:33 AM, William Robb wrote: Nothing special, just an amusing moment in dog ownership. http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/shoobug.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Saahwing, battah!
On 10/4/2010 12:14 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: Well, I tried it over 3 pitches... but I was shooting with my finger poised on the shutter button and pressing it manually at the rate I thought was appropriate. I find that when I machine-gun the shots using the rapid-fire mode of the camera, I lose track of focus and also start moving the camera, which makes only 1-2 of 7 shots even be sharp. So, out of 10-12 shots, I got two which had the ball in the middle like this - and this was just the better of the two shots. -Charles Charles, if you permit, I'd like to use this picture and the above response of yours in my blog for purpose of illustrating certain point. Is it ok? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Out of curiosity: A question for the pros
Wow! This thread really took off while I wasn't looking. In any event, it has been an extremely informative one. I wish I had time to reply to each person who responded, but I do thank you all for the many thoughtful answers. This has been a very educational thread for me -- lots of food for thought. I do have to say I've made one good decision since I started pursuing digital photography, and that was installing Picasa. I've seen where some have lamented its tendency to keep archives of original images, thus chewing up storage space on your hard drive. But, having spent the past few days going through those original images, I can't help but thank my lucky stars for that, given what I did to some of those images back when I had even less a clue than I do right now when it comes to editing and processing. I've really had a lot of fun with some of the images I didn't even bother with when I first started out because I found them overwhelming after a few hamfisted attempts. So, at least in a few instances, it's proven to be a bit of a boon to have the decision whether to keep a shot or delete it taken out of my hands. And, I suspect as I learn more about processing and editing as I go along, I'll develop a more discerning eye for what's treasure and what's trash. Thanks again, everyone. This has practically been a workshop. Best, Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Saahwing, battah!
On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:41, Boris Liberman wrote: On 10/4/2010 12:14 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: Well, I tried it over 3 pitches... but I was shooting with my finger poised on the shutter button and pressing it manually at the rate I thought was appropriate. I find that when I machine-gun the shots using the rapid-fire mode of the camera, I lose track of focus and also start moving the camera, which makes only 1-2 of 7 shots even be sharp. So, out of 10-12 shots, I got two which had the ball in the middle like this - and this was just the better of the two shots. -Charles Charles, if you permit, I'd like to use this picture and the above response of yours in my blog for purpose of illustrating certain point. Is it ok? Be my guest, Boris. Quite alright by me! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
On 2010-10-06 00:05 , Boris Liberman wrote: Also, you're the only person reported the problem. May be others did not notice. That's why the ping... i noticed the same thing Larry noticed, but i only see one copy of your message starting this thread -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
pesos - a discovery
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Re: pesos - a discovery
Fun! I love the red coat and white sweater boots. Just flat-out lovely seasonal shots. -- Walt On 10/6/2010 11:27 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274 K-7, DA* 60-250 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pesos - a discovery
It's autumn! No more sweltering heat! I feel like doing what they are doing (but don't want to throw my back out). Jeffery On Oct 6, 2010, at 11:27 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274 K-7, DA* 60-250 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: It ain't like it used to be.
The E-5 is the same body, essentially, as the E-3, which grew larger than the E-1 to allow for a much bigger, brighter viewfinder. These are professional-grade cameras, compactness is a secondary priority. The K-x, like the Panasonic G1, is designed with different priorities. They feel teensy and toy-like ... ;-) On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: It has a certain rugged blue-collar look to it. The E-5 is bigger than the E-1? [groan]. I've gotten so spoiled by the petite Pentax K-x with the smallish LE lenses, I'm neglecting the E-1 with zooms. Jeffery On Oct 5, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Think Tank Photo Retrospective 10 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Interview with Ned Bunnell
Not much new ground being broken here, but still interesting to hear from the man himself. Recorded at Photokina... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-LVheDaTEfeature=player_embedded#! -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pesos - a discovery
Finally a frog in hand photo. Been waiting all year.;-) Dave On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:27 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274 K-7, DA* 60-250 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
2010/10/6 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Just had a talk with Pentax Europe's former technical service manager, now 645D service (they will keep that in house)... Hear, hear... Now, if only they'd decide that people who've spent over a grand for a K-7 or K-5 also have a right to decent service. Ralf Or those of us that spend over four grand on the D2H and got mostly Phttts from Nikon. Dave -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: JAlbum book review
Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Conclusion: It seems to me that it is a pilot/starting project and soon enough they will make it more customizable. I sure would consider making more books with them. I'll get home this evening and perform direct comparison between this book and those that Mark produced. Boris That's very useful Boris, thanks. I use Jalbum for all of my galleries and was going to give this a try. I will now. You're right about the customisation - my experience is that they develop things quickly. Cheers, Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
Did Nikon (or anyone else) have similar problems? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:16 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/6 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Just had a talk with Pentax Europe's former technical service manager, now 645D service (they will keep that in house)... Hear, hear... Now, if only they'd decide that people who've spent over a grand for a K-7 or K-5 also have a right to decent service. Ralf Or those of us that spend over four grand on the D2H and got mostly Phttts from Nikon. Dave -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Birth of a Birder
After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: SDM / parts availability
- not every perceived failure necessarily is one. SDM motors hold a charge which depletes after prolonged (months) non-use. Once discharged, the lens will no longer focus. The charge takes up to two minutes to rebuild, i.e. the lens needs to be left alone for that time while connected to a powered on camera. At times, that may still not be enough to initially overcome mechanical stiction from the long sitting period. Joseph did the right thing basically, While I'm glad that there is a known (potential) solution to this problem, it still bugs the hell out of me that it's even an issue. I've never heard of this sort of problem with similar focusing systems from other brands (even when I was back at Reed's and dealt with repair issues). *sigh* Thanks for the info, Ecke. I think what Pentax needs to do now is put some sort of notice flyer in the box with their SDM lenses. It would say that prolonged non-use depletes the lens' stored charge, and to do what the service manager described above if the lens' drive won't respond. They should also send this flyer to all registered SDM lens owners. Some people would be glad to know this info, I'm sure, even though it might create some minor bad PR for Pentax for a short time. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
I like it a lot. the composition is pretty nice given your lack of control over it. And that's a beautiful silhouette with some shading around the wings. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
Thanks, Steven. I was very fortunate to get that shot. At the time, I was essentially toying with the camera to see what it would do ... hence the 1/6000 shutter speed. I did have to crop out some power lines, but fortunately, everything lined up fairly cleanly for cropping with a straightforward aspect ratio. It was really pure dumb luck, and that's why it's a sentimental favorite. It started me down the path of 90% frustration that is in-flight shots of small birds. For me, it's pretty exhilarating when it works. Thanks again, Walt On 10/6/2010 1:30 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: I like it a lot. the composition is pretty nice given your lack of control over it. And that's a beautiful silhouette with some shading around the wings. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interview with Ned Bunnell
He is so-o-o conservative in his views. E.g. regarding colors: Com'on, bring REAL COLORS, not the dull blue (it didn't go well because it is so dull, not because it is blue), but BRIGHT, CLEAR colors: e.g. bright spring green would go well! Japanese colors are so much more cool. A few years ago Mac got a large advantage while offering it's colored computers in contrast to the grey-beige essentially colorless PCs. ... and the journalisti (?) needs to learn how to a) conduct interviews (as opposed to reading questions from the paper and collecting the answers, acknowledging ye, ye, that's interesting), and b) to speak properly when not reading the questions verbatim (eh-eh-eh-eh, , be - e.g. around 4:30). Igor in a rather critical mood Wed Oct 6 11:59:19 CDT 2010 Christine Nielsen wrote: Not much new ground being broken here, but still interesting to hear from the man himself. Recorded at Photokina... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-LVheDaTEfeature=player_embedded#! -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interview with Ned Bunnell
I don't know why he didn't mention all the other colors that are offered on the pentax site: http://www.pentaximaging.com/slr/ There's pink, and a bright green (the shade you seek?), and a bright blue... along with olive and chocolate... And, yes, the interviewer could have done more listening less speaking over the interviewee... :) -c On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: He is so-o-o conservative in his views. E.g. regarding colors: Com'on, bring REAL COLORS, not the dull blue (it didn't go well because it is so dull, not because it is blue), but BRIGHT, CLEAR colors: e.g. bright spring green would go well! Japanese colors are so much more cool. A few years ago Mac got a large advantage while offering it's colored computers in contrast to the grey-beige essentially colorless PCs. ... and the journalisti (?) needs to learn how to a) conduct interviews (as opposed to reading questions from the paper and collecting the answers, acknowledging ye, ye, that's interesting), and b) to speak properly when not reading the questions verbatim (eh-eh-eh-eh, , be - e.g. around 4:30). Igor in a rather critical mood Wed Oct 6 11:59:19 CDT 2010 Christine Nielsen wrote: Not much new ground being broken here, but still interesting to hear from the man himself. Recorded at Photokina... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-LVheDaTEfeature=player_embedded#! -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interview with Ned Bunnell
ROTFL. I thought you were talking about the sensor and images, not the color of the camera. At least we got the olive body. That's a fairly popular choice in the camo-happy US. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: He is so-o-o conservative in his views. E.g. regarding colors: Com'on, bring REAL COLORS, not the dull blue (it didn't go well because it is so dull, not because it is blue), but BRIGHT, CLEAR colors: e.g. bright spring green would go well! Japanese colors are so much more cool. A few years ago Mac got a large advantage while offering it's colored computers in contrast to the grey-beige essentially colorless PCs. ... and the journalisti (?) needs to learn how to a) conduct interviews (as opposed to reading questions from the paper and collecting the answers, acknowledging ye, ye, that's interesting), and b) to speak properly when not reading the questions verbatim (eh-eh-eh-eh, , be - e.g. around 4:30). Igor in a rather critical mood Wed Oct 6 11:59:19 CDT 2010 Christine Nielsen wrote: Not much new ground being broken here, but still interesting to hear from the man himself. Recorded at Photokina... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-LVheDaTEfeature=player_embedded#! -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interview with Ned Bunnell
They'd probably sell a ton of them if they made licensed Real Tree camo ones. On 10/6/2010 2:23 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: ROTFL. I thought you were talking about the sensor and images, not the color of the camera. At least we got the olive body. That's a fairly popular choice in the camo-happy US. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Igor Roshchins...@komkon.org wrote: He is so-o-o conservative in his views. E.g. regarding colors: Com'on, bring REAL COLORS, not the dull blue (it didn't go well because it is so dull, not because it is blue), but BRIGHT, CLEAR colors: e.g. bright spring green would go well! Japanese colors are so much more cool. A few years ago Mac got a large advantage while offering it's colored computers in contrast to the grey-beige essentially colorless PCs. ... and the journalisti (?) needs to learn how to a) conduct interviews (as opposed to reading questions from the paper and collecting the answers, acknowledging ye, ye, that's interesting), and b) to speak properly when not reading the questions verbatim (eh-eh-eh-eh, , be - e.g. around 4:30). Igor in a rather critical mood Wed Oct 6 11:59:19 CDT 2010 Christine Nielsen wrote: Not much new ground being broken here, but still interesting to hear from the man himself. Recorded at Photokina... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-LVheDaTEfeature=player_embedded#! -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pesos - a discovery
Yes, some nice autumn color hereabouts, a bit early perhaps. Hope to get some more this weekend. Paul On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: It's autumn! No more sweltering heat! I feel like doing what they are doing (but don't want to throw my back out). Jeffery On Oct 6, 2010, at 11:27 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274 K-7, DA* 60-250 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pesos - a discovery
Grace loves 'em. Likes to scare her mother and grandma with them. Paul On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:14 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Finally a frog in hand photo. Been waiting all year.;-) Dave On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:27 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274 K-7, DA* 60-250 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interview with Ned Bunnell
Yes, I agree completely. I suspect the Japanese just don't get that. They'd probably sell a ton of them if they made licensed Real Tree camo ones. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
It's no bother for you, Boris. I see only one. Hello there. If you receive this message more than once please reply. Otherwise, you don't /really/ have to bother. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington
I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall. Taken with the Sony NEX5. http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington
I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall. Taken with the Sony NEX5. http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298 they sure like their Corinthian! Reminds me in parts of Greenwich. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington
Great set of shots! I particularly like this one: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11754661 Something you don't see every day ... rodents scurrying about Capitol Hill. Wait ... what? But seriously, folks -- I really liked the shot of the Washington Monument with the cirrus clouds in the sky. I've always loved the way cirrus clouds look in photos. -- Walt On 10/6/2010 3:16 PM, Tom C wrote: I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall. Taken with the Sony NEX5. http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Race Prep
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Frank, just the other day I was standing by the reception desk of our company and a man walked in - evidently he was a bike messenger. I immediately though of you... If you hiccuped at that moment, I am not guilty :-). Is this guy holding a cigarette in his mouth??? Oddly, lots of messengers smoke. I used to smoke. It's quite an art smoking whilst riding fast. You've kind of got to keep your head up, tilt a bit to the right and hang the cigarette just so out the corner of your mouth. That way smoke and ashes get blown over your shoulder and not into your face. A significant number of messengers also smoke vast quantities of pot. They smoke it during the day while they work. It's thought that smoking cigarettes gets rid of the pot smell. Of course they're wrong. I suppose that they also figure that since they're polluting the hell out of their lungs with weed, a few ciggies won't do much more damage. BTW, I didn't know they had bike messengers in Jerusalem. Cool! Thanks for the kind words from everyone. Glad you enjoyed. BTW, smoking on bikes is nothing new; witness this old Tour de France photo: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads17/tour_de_france_old_passing_cigarette_smoke1279743847.jpg cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Way
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:45 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: NIce shot. I like the foreground action framing the sign bearer. A lot of earnest city life. Well seen. Paul Thanks to everyone who looked and commented!! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington
Thanks, there's lots of nuts on Capitol Hill, hence the squirrels. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Great set of shots! I particularly like this one: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11754661 Something you don't see every day ... rodents scurrying about Capitol Hill. Wait ... what? But seriously, folks -- I really liked the shot of the Washington Monument with the cirrus clouds in the sky. I've always loved the way cirrus clouds look in photos. -- Walt On 10/6/2010 3:16 PM, Tom C wrote: I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall. Taken with the Sony NEX5. http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Skyline at Dawn
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:17 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Excellent. Fabulous color. Dramatic. Needs a frame and a wall to hang it on. Paul Sometimes getting up early is worth it! Thanks for the kind words, Paul, and thanks to everyone else who looked and commented. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso's Markham Fair walk around
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:09 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Took a few photos on Saturday whist strolling the fair. I don't walk anymore, i stroll. 1928 Case; http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11746092 desaturated and bumped up the reds. Maple cut 1: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11746096 Tractor powered log cutter, i have shown this one before. Maple cuttings: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11746094 They take the 2 cuttings and burn Markham fair(MF) and the year on them and sell them for a buck. Those are all good photos, Dave. I really like the tractor engine and the log cuttings. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Final approach
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:00 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Managed to get a few decent jay shots after work last night. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11734400 Quite the rivallry for food in your backyard, eh? ;-) Nice shot, Dave! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pesos - a discovery
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:27 PM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274 Beautiful! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Off list for a while - and why
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: My oldest (in terms of years known) and one of two of my very dearest closest long term friends passed away on Friday ... so I'm off to Chicago to her home and family One of the reasons I could talk myself into the expense of the photo show at the Dank last spring was my concern that there would no be many more opportunities to be with her in person... the show became a reason to go to Chicago so Barb wouldn't think I was just hurrying to get there before she passed on... one had hoped things were not as dire as they sounded from her daughter -- Barb always minimalized her troubles and was a real trooper ... She appreciated our lists penchant for puns and herself invented a few wonderful shaggy-dog groaners. No, not the big C - but enough other stuff to cause her to be in and out of hospital for a few months and cause her a lot of discomfort. While I was biting my nails waiting to see if my photo got in she said But you are coming anyway arent you? naturally, I was. How many of us can claim to still be friends and in touch with someone from childhood at my age? (gonna be 74 in December) Particularly sad for me not just for the loss of her friendship but to think of her only being two years my senior ... Her son Johnny took our photo in May and said I should make a grouping of photos of the two of us - so I did that for him on my web page... he took the one of us last May. I've spent the last couple of days gathering more snaps from the past at her daughter's request to be displayed at the wake... it seems that is something of a fashion these days... I won't really be _in_ Chicago ... except to get to the communter rail to take me to the far burbs - I'll be taking the long way around returning (bus and trains) so if I can manage it at all I'll get to see a couple of you . Happily, my young roomie will take care of Ashley . The gallery on my web page with vintage photos is called Barb and Barb Yeah, I was _nee_ Barbara Ann... and is in the Friends and Family section - if you are curious... Sometimes my direct off-list mail doesnt get to people (something to do with my server) so Frank and Paul Stenquist - write me off list will ya? you both should have had email from me. I hope to at least get a cuppa with Christine and I'm going to pick up my photo and the one I traded for from Dank House I'll stay on list long enough to answer stuff - but you can see why I've been quiet for a bit So sorry, Ann. I don't have any childhood friends that I'm still in touch with. One high school friend, but none from my elementary or pre-school years. You were fortunate to have each other for so long. This must hurt like hell. My condolences. -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
I suppose the best approach is to just take it out periodically and attach it for a while so it never gets completely depleted. Ecke, did they indicate how often this might be? On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:28 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: - not every perceived failure necessarily is one. SDM motors hold a charge which depletes after prolonged (months) non-use. Once discharged, the lens will no longer focus. The charge takes up to two minutes to rebuild, i.e. the lens needs to be left alone for that time while connected to a powered on camera. At times, that may still not be enough to initially overcome mechanical stiction from the long sitting period. Joseph did the right thing basically, While I'm glad that there is a known (potential) solution to this problem, it still bugs the hell out of me that it's even an issue. I've never heard of this sort of problem with similar focusing systems from other brands (even when I was back at Reed's and dealt with repair issues). *sigh* Thanks for the info, Ecke. I think what Pentax needs to do now is put some sort of notice flyer in the box with their SDM lenses. It would say that prolonged non-use depletes the lens' stored charge, and to do what the service manager described above if the lens' drive won't respond. They should also send this flyer to all registered SDM lens owners. Some people would be glad to know this info, I'm sure, even though it might create some minor bad PR for Pentax for a short time. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - Race Prep
BTW, smoking on bikes is nothing new; witness this old Tour de France photo: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads17/tour_de_france_old_passing_cig arette_smoke1279743847.jpg cheers, frank I love that photo. It's cheap wine in their bidons, too. Back in those days they'd have been disqualified for effeminacy if they'd drunk water. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso Final approach
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:01 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 8:00 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Managed to get a few decent jay shots after work last night. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11734400 Quite the rivallry for food in your backyard, eh? Ya, and we don;t help the situation either.:-) Dave ;-) Nice shot, Dave! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Did Nikon (or anyone else) have similar problems? Not so much with AF motors or such, but with the camera. I read about the board crash problems and bought one anyway. Sure enough mine crashed at 4800 clicks. I mentioned that a lot of people on the net are complaining about the AF board going down and the assistant service manager just shrugged it off as internet BS, no truth to the reviews, its an isolated problem. A month later Nikon put on their website in a statement that the D2H is prone to failure of the AF board, and they will fix the problem even if the camera is out of the warranty period. So much for my camera as an isolated incident. I can go on,. Dave On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:16 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/6 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: Just had a talk with Pentax Europe's former technical service manager, now 645D service (they will keep that in house)... Hear, hear... Now, if only they'd decide that people who've spent over a grand for a K-7 or K-5 also have a right to decent service. Ralf Or those of us that spend over four grand on the D2H and got mostly Phttts from Nikon. Dave -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso's Markham Fair walk around
Thanks Frank Dave On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:00 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:09 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Took a few photos on Saturday whist strolling the fair. I don't walk anymore, i stroll. 1928 Case; http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11746092 desaturated and bumped up the reds. Maple cut 1: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11746096 Tractor powered log cutter, i have shown this one before. Maple cuttings: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11746094 They take the 2 cuttings and burn Markham fair(MF) and the year on them and sell them for a buck. Those are all good photos, Dave. I really like the tractor engine and the log cuttings. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pesos - a discovery
Fun shots! She got her frog and you got your prints. On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:27 AM, P N Stenquist wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274 K-7, DA* 60-250 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Interview with Ned Bunnell
On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:59 AM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Not much new ground being broken here, but still interesting to hear from the man himself. Recorded at Photokina... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp-LVheDaTEfeature=player_embedded#! I wonder if Ned gets teased about his name in Scotland. People asking if he has a brother named Chav and all that. -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
There's still a bit of halo around the bird, and focus seems to be on the far wing. Still in all it's a very nice attempt. On 10/6/2010 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
I've not received any duplicates from you so far. On 10/6/2010 1:12 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hello there. If you receive this message more than once please reply. Otherwise, you don't /really/ have to bother. Cheers. Boris -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture
-- From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture Bill, is it then right that a dog has an intelligence of average two-three years old child then? Asked without any put, intent to offend, etc - really curious. Do three year olds stick their noses in disgusting places? Seriously though, this seems to be the common wisdom, I don't know if it's intelligence though, or just the ability to learn things, which dogs are actually very good at, though their thinking tends to be much more linear than humans. My old Rottie (Leica) was regarded among the dog people I hung out with as one of the smartest dogs any of them had run into, and I would have put her equally as smart as any 3 year old. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
Very nice. Excellent composition and dramatic light. Technical quibbles are inconsequential when the overall impression is this good. Paul On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: There's still a bit of halo around the bird, and focus seems to be on the far wing. Still in all it's a very nice attempt. On 10/6/2010 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture
On Oct 6, 2010, at 7:31 PM, William Robb wrote: -- From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: PESO: Another Dog Picture Bill, is it then right that a dog has an intelligence of average two-three years old child then? Asked without any put, intent to offend, etc - really curious. Do three year olds stick their noses in disgusting places? Seriously though, this seems to be the common wisdom, I don't know if it's intelligence though, or just the ability to learn things, which dogs are actually very good at, though their thinking tends to be much more linear than humans. My old Rottie (Leica) was regarded among the dog people I hung out with as one of the smartest dogs any of them had run into, and I would have put her equally as smart as any 3 year old. When I was a kid, I had a mixed breed terrier/english foxhound/german shepherd. Her name was Ginger. She was very athletic and could easily leap over our four foot high back fence, which was handy because she didn't want stay in the yard. She hung out with all the kids on the block and was involved in games. We had a fence at the front of the house as well, but she didn't have to leap over it, because she figured out how to open the gate. She'd put her paws on a lower board and back up until the gate was open. Then she'd run through it. When I was in high school, I walked about five blocks to a train station. She would walk halfway with me, then go home. At four o'clock or so, when I was due to come home, she would come and meet me where she had left me in the morning, right on time and nearly half a mile from home. She also walked my younger brother to school. She was much smarter than any three year old I've ever known, and a fabulous dog whom I'll never forget. She had five pups, courtesy of a black lab who lived down the street. They were very smart as well. I suspect many of her descendants are out there somewhere, probably walking kids to school. Paul William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO Buffalo River
After shooting almost 800 shots at Bikes, Blues, and BBQ from Wednesday through Sunday, what did I do Monday? I got up and drove two hours into the woods to take pictures of elk at dawn. I did discover that the F 100-300 is not a good lowlight wildlife lens. Oh well, It is what I have. After shooting the elk for a while, I drove to Steel Creek Campground to photograph the Bluffs along the Bufalo. Thought maybe would be some elk there, nope. The quiet was so nice. Just birds and elk noises. Now I need to look at the Bike pictures. Ted -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
did it again, here is the url.
http://beilbyfinearts.blogspot.com/2010/10/boxley-valley-and-steel-creek.html I am so embarrassed. Ted -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: did it again, here is the url.
Really nice. I didn't read the other email, so I had no idea why you were embarrassed. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Theodore Beilby tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: http://beilbyfinearts.blogspot.com/2010/10/boxley-valley-and-steel-creek.html I am so embarrassed. Ted -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
2010/10/6 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: I suppose the best approach is to just take it out periodically and attach it for a while so it never gets completely depleted. Ecke, did they indicate how often this might be? Sorry, Steven, no such answer but I took the description to indicate that it takes a detached lens 6 months plus to go from fully charged to zilch. My personal conclusion is to turn on the camera and let it sit for a moment before I think about using the AF so that the charge can go back to full before use /every/ time - maybe the motor doesn't like being used with the cap half full... all sortsa Gremlins... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
2010/10/6 William Robb war...@gmail.com: And while not wanting to play the devil's advocate here, which moron at Pentax decided to make a product which could fail in the box, on the shelf, at the camera store? wasn't SDM re-use of an expired Canon USM patent in the first place? I realize that you are just the messenger. I appreciate that Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SDM / parts availability
2010/10/6 John Celio n...@neovenator.com: I think what Pentax needs to do now is put some sort of notice flyer in the box with their SDM lenses. It would say that prolonged non-use depletes the lens' stored charge, and to do what the service manager described above if the lens' drive won't respond. They should also send this flyer to all registered SDM lens owners. Some people would be glad to know this info, I'm sure, even though it might create some minor bad PR for Pentax for a short time. It wasn't marked as off record. I think we're free to suggest that to them. Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
I see everything once (The soldier who saw everything twice, just before his untimely demise) 2010/10/6 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: I've not received any duplicates from you so far. On 10/6/2010 1:12 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hello there. If you receive this message more than once please reply. Otherwise, you don't /really/ have to bother. Cheers. Boris -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Mister C. Goes to Washington
Tom, Very pubic and recognizable places, but still a nice collection. Your pictures make the place look very charming and powerful. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: I had to stay the weekend in D.C. for a work seminar several weeks ago and had a free day to stroll around the National Mall. Taken with the Sony NEX5. http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=514298 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Race Prep
2010/10/6 Bob W p...@web-options.com: BTW, smoking on bikes is nothing new; witness this old Tour de France photo: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads17/tour_de_france_old_passing_cig arette_smoke1279743847.jpg cheers, frank I love that photo. It's cheap wine in their bidons, too. Back in those days they'd have been disqualified for effeminacy if they'd drunk water. brilliant... In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centuari were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. And all dared to brave unknown terrors, to do mighty deeds, to boldly split infinitives that no man had split before -- and thus was the Empire forged. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: pesos - a discovery
Paul, Lovely and brave little girls! Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:27 AM, P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755272size=lg http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755273 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=11755274 K-7, DA* 60-250 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO Buffalo River
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Theodore Beilby tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Now I need to look at the Bike pictures. Ted would love a link... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Progress
Well, I finally went ahead and imported my modest collection of images into Lightroom. No hitch as far as I can tell so far. I have encountered problems with ridiculously basic operations, but I'm making do, and will hold off pestering you till I'm absolutely stumped, not finding solutions in the help function, tutorials, etc., or have something that's at least a bit more deserving of your attention. I do appreciate your generosity -- and your patience -- with me so far. Sincerely, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: did it again, here is the url.
Sure is pretty country...I like 4050 and 4197 best. -p On 10/6/2010 8:11 PM, Theodore Beilby wrote: http://beilbyfinearts.blogspot.com/2010/10/boxley-valley-and-steel-creek.html I am so embarrassed. Ted No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3181 - Release Date: 10/06/10 13:34:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
I occasionally receive multiple copies of your messages Boris, typically four copies. I've always assumed that those were messages that you think are really important, and so you send multiple copies to insure that we pay attention. ;-) Or that you just twitched a bit when hitting the send button. In any case, not to worry. I can delete them as fast as you can send them. stan On Oct 6, 2010, at 4:58 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I've not received any duplicates from you so far. On 10/6/2010 1:12 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Hello there. If you receive this message more than once please reply. Otherwise, you don't /really/ have to bother. Cheers. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Resolution Anecdote
A little anecdotal ... well, it's not really evidence ... let's just call it an anecdote and leave it at that. I've been using high resolution displays since the early 1980s when I was writing device drivers for document imaging systems. Of course, back then, a high resolution display that enterprise customers were willing to afford ran about US$ 5,000 for a 1200 x 1600 paper white CRT. Add another couple of grand for a video card that could actually drive it at a useful refresh rate. Anyhow, I recently had my main computer at work keel over. It /was/ a 2003 Dell, after all. So they replaced it with a pretty nice Lenovo laptop. The point of the story is that the new laptop has a 15.4 (diagonal) display with 1920 x 1200 resolution. In other words, pretty small pixels, relatively. I don't know what panel technology it uses, but the gamut looks pretty good. But the point of all this is that it's amazing how much sharper some photos look at 1920 x 1200 on 15.4 as compared to the same image at 1920 x 1200 on 24. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Special ping
From: Larry Colen On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:51 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: In what way? Or how? Will you enlighten me, please? I think that he was attempting to make a joke: ping verses traceroute On 10/6/2010 9:47 AM, eckinator wrote: maybe tracert would help more? =P 2010/10/6 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com: On 10/6/2010 8:01 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Boris, I only noticed multiple copies of a couple of your posts, not all of them. So sending one ping isn't definitive. I don't want to (bore and) ping PDML to its untimely demise. Also, you're the only person reported the problem. May be others did not notice. That's why the ping... In case people are puzzled, in the past few days I received about four copies of two of Boris' emails to the list, but didn't get multiples of all of them. Did this happen to anyone else? They showed up that way in the digest, but I don't think it was more than a couple of posts that multiplied. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
Thanks, P.J. I noticed the halo almost immediately after I'd sent the link. (Funny how that seems to happen just about every time I post a link to the list.) There's something magical about the process of sending links to my photos that reveals heretofore unseen flaws to me. The worst part is that, at least in my hands, any attempt to fix the flaw that suddenly reveals itself is damn near guaranteed to ruin the entire image. So, this sort of hearkens back to the question about what to keep and what to trash: this being a shot that I stick back in the pile for a little while longer, until I've learned enough to fix it without destroying the whole thing. So, for now, it's a keeper, but not yet a showpiece. -- Walt On 10/6/2010 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: There's still a bit of halo around the bird, and focus seems to be on the far wing. Still in all it's a very nice attempt. On 10/6/2010 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
Thank you, Paul, for the kind words! I do like the shot as a whole. The overall impression is nice, and it's nice to know that someone with a discerning eye appreciates the light and composition. It's certainly reaffirming, and makes me believe I'm at least on the right path with this one. As I see it, the halo is fixable ... and it will be fixed in the long run. I can't do much about the focus now, and I'm OK with that. But, given your input, I know the image is worthy of the effort to fix the halo. And in all honesty, whenever I post a PESO, 90% of the time it's to find out what can be done to improve a shot that I'm already somewhat proud of. Given your input, and P.J.'s critique, I now know that the shot is well worth the effort it's going to take to plug the technical holes. All in all, a guy has to feel pretty good about that. There's something to be said for having taken a nice picture with a few fixable flaws. Thanks again! -- Walt On 10/6/2010 7:12 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Very nice. Excellent composition and dramatic light. Technical quibbles are inconsequential when the overall impression is this good. Paul On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: There's still a bit of halo around the bird, and focus seems to be on the far wing. Still in all it's a very nice attempt. On 10/6/2010 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder
There's something to be said for having taken a nice picture with a few fixable flaws. MARK ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PESO: Birth of a Birder Thank you, Paul, for the kind words! I do like the shot as a whole. The overall impression is nice, and it's nice to know that someone with a discerning eye appreciates the light and composition. It's certainly reaffirming, and makes me believe I'm at least on the right path with this one. As I see it, the halo is fixable ... and it will be fixed in the long run. I can't do much about the focus now, and I'm OK with that. But, given your input, I know the image is worthy of the effort to fix the halo. And in all honesty, whenever I post a PESO, 90% of the time it's to find out what can be done to improve a shot that I'm already somewhat proud of. Given your input, and P.J.'s critique, I now know that the shot is well worth the effort it's going to take to plug the technical holes. All in all, a guy has to feel pretty good about that. There's something to be said for having taken a nice picture with a few fixable flaws. Thanks again! -- Walt On 10/6/2010 7:12 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Very nice. Excellent composition and dramatic light. Technical quibbles are inconsequential when the overall impression is this good. Paul On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: There's still a bit of halo around the bird, and focus seems to be on the far wing. Still in all it's a very nice attempt. On 10/6/2010 2:06 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: After posting the question regarding what images to keep vs. which to delete, I thought I'd post this one ... the first in-flight capture of a bird I ever took. This is the one that got me hooked on it, and what made me immediately fall in love with my K-x. It remains one of my favorites among all the photos I've taken. http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5057232937/ K-x, DA L 50-200mm, f/5.6, ISO 800, 1/6000, Shutter Priority Unfortunately, when I resized it it stripped all the XIF data out, but fortunately (thanks to Picasa) I still have the original file. Comments, critiques, and hagiographic commentary are, of course, welcome. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Skyline at Dawn
On 10/6/2010 4:55 PM, frank theriault wrote: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:17 PM, paul stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Excellent. Fabulous color. Dramatic. Needs a frame and a wall to hang it on. Paul Sometimes getting up early is worth it! Thanks for the kind words, Paul, and thanks to everyone else who looked and commented. cheers, frank And here I thought you never went to bed... -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - sometimes she's still
eckinator wrote: so do I thanks for sharing ecke 2010/10/6 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: http://dougbrewer.posterous.com/sometimes-shes-still enjoy I hate you. cheers, frank all your hatred are belong to us thanks, guys -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
