Re: PESO Canadians Vacationing at Quarton Lake
On Jun 9, 2014, at 1:24 pm, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: Giant rats with wings, the Canada Goose is a belligerent, vile tempered animal. Pity the poor soul who draws the ire of one of these mean spirited demons of the animal kingdom. Do they at least taste good? Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Poser
On Jun 9, 2014, at 3:25 pm, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: This gal knows how to work the camera: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785222size=lg Looks like a male to me, unless I have the wrong species Earlier, I posted the wrong link for what I believe is a Brown Thrasher. Same equipment as above, but a very deep crop on this: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785018size=lg Reminds me of the one time I saw a fernbird which was in similar surroundings. http://nzbirdsonline.org.nz/species/fernbird Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Brown Thrasher
Looks goose to me. Let me fix that for you: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785222size=lg This one looks like a hot headed angry bird:) On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:22 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: At least I think it’s a brown thrasher. In the wetlands near the Rouge River: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785053size=lg K-3 with DA* 60-259 and DA 1.4 X, f5.6 @ 1/640, ISO 800, 350mm. Cropped severely. This is about 30% of frame. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO. Kalanchoe.
Interesting process but would prefer the blooms to be in focus. On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: Again, a lightly tone monochrome (imitating palladium toning). http://celasun.wordpress.com/2014/06/08/kalanchoe/ The words below the image mean something like below: It is said that the unhappiness of the men started when he named things. Kalanchoe knows this. We do not. Comments are kindly invited... (For the technically minded, this was shot using K20D with a tilt adapter for Pentacon Six mount lenses. The lens was 50 mm Flektogon. Our friend Boris used to have one...) Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Found Bottles
I like that a lot - and I love old bottles - The deep blue ones and the greens look artistically placed.. The tight crop seems fine to me and for this subject matter straightening them isn't necessary and I'm not even sure it would be good to do it regardless. ann On 6/8/2014 11:13, Jack Davis wrote: I believe they themselves were about the same hygienically. Thanks for commenting, Attila! Jack - Original Message - From: Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2014 8:05:56 AM Subject: Re: Peso: Found Bottles Nice rendering with lots of detail and vivid colors. Those guys might want to complement their bottle collection with a bottle brush collection g On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: Some years back, while driving a local back road, I noticed a couple guys, on a pull-off, standing by a stump covered with bottles. I stopped and, after a short look, asked if I be allowed to photograph their bottle collection. They agreed, and I, probably too quickly, took a couple shots, handed them a few dollars, thanked them and started to leave. In turn, they asked me to take any of the bottles I wanted. I still have that blue Milk of Magnesia bottle. This AMI ran across one of the shots, worked it a little and attached it to this. Wish I'd not cropped it so tightly and with a more level camera. Leveling it required an even tighter crop. I took a passel of shots that day and will take a slow look through them for possible additional versions. Comments sought. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=774 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Found Bottles
Thanks, ann. Pleased you like it a lot. I still remember when I was of grade school age, my mother coming at me with one of those blue bottles and a large spoon. (GAG) Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 5:36:14 AM Subject: Re: Peso: Found Bottles I like that a lot - and I love old bottles - The deep blue ones and the greens look artistically placed.. The tight crop seems fine to me and for this subject matter straightening them isn't necessary and I'm not even sure it would be good to do it regardless. ann On 6/8/2014 11:13, Jack Davis wrote: I believe they themselves were about the same hygienically. Thanks for commenting, Attila! Jack - Original Message - From: Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2014 8:05:56 AM Subject: Re: Peso: Found Bottles Nice rendering with lots of detail and vivid colors. Those guys might want to complement their bottle collection with a bottle brush collection g On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: Some years back, while driving a local back road, I noticed a couple guys, on a pull-off, standing by a stump covered with bottles. I stopped and, after a short look, asked if I be allowed to photograph their bottle collection. They agreed, and I, probably too quickly, took a couple shots, handed them a few dollars, thanked them and started to leave. In turn, they asked me to take any of the bottles I wanted. I still have that blue Milk of Magnesia bottle. This AMI ran across one of the shots, worked it a little and attached it to this. Wish I'd not cropped it so tightly and with a more level camera. Leveling it required an even tighter crop. I took a passel of shots that day and will take a slow look through them for possible additional versions. Comments sought. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=774 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Poser
Great Catch, wonderful composition. It looks like a male house sparrow to me. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: This gal knows how to work the camera: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785222size=lg K3, DA* 60-250, DA 1.4X converter, Earlier, I posted the wrong link for what I believe is a Brown Thrasher. Same equipment as above, but a very deep crop on this: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785018size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Poser
I found my way to a couple other birdy shots I like a lot... that you might or might not have Peso'ed when I wasnt looking.. Sunday Brunch http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17593121 and the swan on nest.. and a greate egret shot a while back.. brown thrasher is a tad light for my eye but sure looks like that is who he is. ann On 6/8/2014 23:25, Paul Stenquist wrote: This gal knows how to work the camera: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785222size=lg K3, DA* 60-250, DA 1.4X converter, Earlier, I posted the wrong link for what I believe is a Brown Thrasher. Same equipment as above, but a very deep crop on this: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785018size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Found Bottles
I really like the look in this image, Jack. Crop and angle don't bother me. A good catch. On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: Some years back, while driving a local back road, I noticed a couple guys, on a pull-off, standing by a stump covered with bottles. I stopped and, after a short look, asked if I be allowed to photograph their bottle collection. They agreed, and I, probably too quickly, took a couple shots, handed them a few dollars, thanked them and started to leave. In turn, they asked me to take any of the bottles I wanted. I still have that blue Milk of Magnesia bottle. This AMI ran across one of the shots, worked it a little and attached it to this. Wish I'd not cropped it so tightly and with a more level camera. Leveling it required an even tighter crop. I took a passel of shots that day and will take a slow look through them for possible additional versions. Comments sought. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=774 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO. Kalanchoe.
I love the toning. Excellent choice for the subject. I would crop it less close, especially RHS. Let it breathe, as an artist friend says of my own overly tight crops. :-) On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: Again, a lightly tone monochrome (imitating palladium toning). http://celasun.wordpress.com/2014/06/08/kalanchoe/ The words below the image mean something like below: It is said that the unhappiness of the men started when he named things. Kalanchoe knows this. We do not. Comments are kindly invited... (For the technically minded, this was shot using K20D with a tilt adapter for Pentacon Six mount lenses. The lens was 50 mm Flektogon. Our friend Boris used to have one...) Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Hopkins Falls
What a beautiful place, Brian! Did you spend much time there? I could view that for hours. On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all Another one from my road trip around southern Victoria. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP5385-K5-1peso.html http://tinyurl.com/qjtejv8 Pentax K-5 with DA 18-135 mm. Comments etc, appreciated: -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon
It's not the Grand Canyon. Too many trees down near the river the walls aren't steep enough. On 6/8/2014 11:10 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I've been to the Grand Canyon with a camera, but this attachment doesn't exactly fit my recollections. Low res drug store scan done years ago. Am finished mining my files for today. God light somewhat a mystery. Suspect can't be defined against the sky. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=775 -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Patri
I think you've got it, Attila. Her surname is Erdei -- popular Hungarian name. Thank you very much to everyone who commented or looked. On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: Patri is diminutive for Patrícia in Hungarian. Like Patty or Trish, it can be used as an actual name but it's not common. On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Well she is a dish On 6/7/2014 12:07, P.J. Alling wrote: I expected some kind of a dish... On 6/6/2014 5:47 PM, Brian Walters wrote: For some reason I read the subject as Petri and was expecting a post about vintage cameras... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Patri by window light
My fault. I was practicing all my weak areas like directing/posing and composition, and noticing harmonious tones in the scene is still a ways off. :-) I also didn't shoot enough pose variations here. I agree that the two hands on hips is a challenging stance and at odds with the soft light. But maybe the contrast is interesting? I have more shots from this shoot to come anyway. Thanks for the comments Jack; I appreciate it! On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: A bit confrontational for me. Light colored T-shirt somewhat distracting by contrast. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:28:42 AM Subject: RE: PESO - Patri by window light Dulce et decorum est... -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: 07 June 2014 17:09 To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Subject: PESO - Patri by window light As the title says ... http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88086278957 K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 36mm/F:2.8, 1/160th sec, ISO 400 Lr, Ps -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Patri by window light
Thank you, Attila. I think a flouncy skirt is next. :-) On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: Nice natural light and an informal setting. Hands on hips may seem confrontational but her expression is pondering... maybe over what clothes should she try next. On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: As the title says ... http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88086278957 K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 36mm/F:2.8, 1/160th sec, ISO 400 Lr, Ps -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Patri by window light
Made me Google, you did. Thanks, Bob! On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Dulce et decorum est... -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: 07 June 2014 17:09 To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Subject: PESO - Patri by window light As the title says ... http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88086278957 K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 36mm/F:2.8, 1/160th sec, ISO 400 Lr, Ps -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon
I believe you're right, John. Among the images I had given the drugstore to scan, was one I know was a smallish Yellowstone waterfall shot (not the repeatedly seen Grand Canyon of Yellowstone falls). That may be in Yellowstone. Been several years since last being in any part of Yellowstone. Jack - Original Message - From: John jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:22:00 AM Subject: Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon It's not the Grand Canyon. Too many trees down near the river the walls aren't steep enough. On 6/8/2014 11:10 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I've been to the Grand Canyon with a camera, but this attachment doesn't exactly fit my recollections. Low res drug store scan done years ago. Am finished mining my files for today. God light somewhat a mystery. Suspect can't be defined against the sky. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=775 -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Patri by window light
Not at all, I enjoy your work. Jack - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:36:46 AM Subject: Re: PESO - Patri by window light My fault. I was practicing all my weak areas like directing/posing and composition, and noticing harmonious tones in the scene is still a ways off. :-) I also didn't shoot enough pose variations here. I agree that the two hands on hips is a challenging stance and at odds with the soft light. But maybe the contrast is interesting? I have more shots from this shoot to come anyway. Thanks for the comments Jack; I appreciate it! On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: A bit confrontational for me. Light colored T-shirt somewhat distracting by contrast. Jack - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:28:42 AM Subject: RE: PESO - Patri by window light Dulce et decorum est... -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: 07 June 2014 17:09 To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Subject: PESO - Patri by window light As the title says ... http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88086278957 K-3, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 36mm/F:2.8, 1/160th sec, ISO 400 Lr, Ps -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Focus in low light
On Jun 8, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2014, at 20:08 , Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: The first thing to look into for water-color looks is the noise reduction you applied. I'll add, too, that when ISO 6400 looks this clean: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2014/rebel_rebel_xi/content/K5__0878_large.html .. why bother with NR? The only thing I did to edit this photo is bump the exposure up by half a stop in Lightroom. (A fairly small image, I'll grant you. But a little grit/grain is not a bad thing in a photo) Thanks, Charles. My education continues. Previously I would have thought noise was to be alienated absolutely. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful? - Mary Oliver -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Katzeyy
Recently it was suggested that I look into a Katzeye split image focusing screen as a partial/complete solution to my focusing in low-light problems. I’m about to place an order. Any opinions on the Opti-Brite option? I’m inclined to pass on it. (I am poor.) My camera is a K5. Thanks, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful? - Mary Oliver -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Found Bottles
I think this is not an easy shot to pull off and I think you did it very well. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 13:41:17 + (UTC) From: Jack Davisjdavi...@comcast.net To: PDMLpdml@pdml.net Subject: Peso: Found Bottles Message-ID: 1020752421.4907792.1402234876992.javamail.r...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Some years back, while driving a local back road, I noticed a couple guys, on a pull-off, standing by a stump covered with bottles. I stopped and, after a short look, asked if I be allowed to photograph their bottle collection. They agreed, and I, probably too quickly, took a couple shots, handed them a few dollars, thanked them and started to leave. In turn, they asked me to take any of the bottles I wanted. I still have that blue Milk of Magnesia bottle. This AMI ran across one of the shots, worked it a little and attached it to this. Wish I'd not cropped it so tightly and with a more level camera. Leveling it required an even tighter crop. I took a passel of shots that day and will take a slow look through them for possible additional versions. Comments sought. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=774 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Focus in low light
On Jun 9, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: I would have thought noise was to be alienated absolutely. i imagine there’ll be some quip about this. No opportunity for humor ever passed on here. A spell-check introduced error. I meant to write “eliminated. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net What is man without the beasts? If all the beasts were gone, men would die from a great loneliness of spirit. - Chief Seattle -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net What is man without the beasts? If all the beasts were gone, men would die from a great loneliness of spirit. - Chief Seattle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Found Bottles
I think you're very considerate to say so, Don. Thanks! Jack - Original Message - From: Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 8:39:08 AM Subject: Re: Peso: Found Bottles I think this is not an easy shot to pull off and I think you did it very well. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 13:41:17 + (UTC) From: Jack Davisjdavi...@comcast.net To: PDMLpdml@pdml.net Subject: Peso: Found Bottles Message-ID: 1020752421.4907792.1402234876992.javamail.r...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Some years back, while driving a local back road, I noticed a couple guys, on a pull-off, standing by a stump covered with bottles. I stopped and, after a short look, asked if I be allowed to photograph their bottle collection. They agreed, and I, probably too quickly, took a couple shots, handed them a few dollars, thanked them and started to leave. In turn, they asked me to take any of the bottles I wanted. I still have that blue Milk of Magnesia bottle. This AMI ran across one of the shots, worked it a little and attached it to this. Wish I'd not cropped it so tightly and with a more level camera. Leveling it required an even tighter crop. I took a passel of shots that day and will take a slow look through them for possible additional versions. Comments sought. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=774 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum
May I take that to mean that the forum is not punny enough? John G. On 6/6/2014 5:02 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: Just for the record - I won't be there - hard enough to keep up here Hope you joiners don't like it better than PDML and flee It's very unlikely to offer any competition to the PDML. It's a very different medium. It's also unlikely to tolerate wildly off-topic digressions like this place :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katzeyy
I have the non-Opti-Bright option in my K20D, the screen is subjectively as bright as the original, so I don't think you'll miss much by forgoing it. One helpful addition is also the O-ME53 magnifying eyepiece. 1.2X magnification doesn't seem like a lot but it really does help when manually focusing. On 6/9/2014 11:37 AM, Eric Weir wrote: Recently it was suggested that I look into a Katzeye split image focusing screen as a partial/complete solution to my focusing in low-light problems. I’m about to place an order. Any opinions on the Opti-Brite option? I’m inclined to pass on it. (I am poor.) My camera is a K5. Thanks, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful? - Mary Oliver -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Focus in low light
I didn't need the Alienation angle I found humor elsewhere. On 6/9/2014 11:39 AM, Eric Weir wrote: On Jun 9, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: I would have thought noise was to be alienated absolutely. i imagine there’ll be some quip about this. No opportunity for humor ever passed on here. A spell-check introduced error. I meant to write “eliminated. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net What is man without the beasts? If all the beasts were gone, men would die from a great loneliness of spirit. - Chief Seattle -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net What is man without the beasts? If all the beasts were gone, men would die from a great loneliness of spirit. - Chief Seattle -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Focus in low light
On 6/9/2014 11:25 AM, Eric Weir wrote: On Jun 8, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Jun 8, 2014, at 20:08 , Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: The first thing to look into for water-color looks is the noise reduction you applied. I'll add, too, that when ISO 6400 looks this clean: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2014/rebel_rebel_xi/content/K5__0878_large.html .. why bother with NR? The only thing I did to edit this photo is bump the exposure up by half a stop in Lightroom. (A fairly small image, I'll grant you. But a little grit/grain is not a bad thing in a photo) Thanks, Charles. My education continues. Previously I would have thought noise was to be alienated absolutely. And yet you are still subscribed... -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net What does it mean...that the world is so beautiful? - Mary Oliver -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - above the fold
Hi Bruce, I also like the low-key shots better. If you are interested in some more detailed comments, their a below. Please excuse the amount of text and the critical component of these comments. There are two main reasons why I like the low-key images better. First, in the high-key, the paper-white (pun intended) background makes the entire composition sort of hanging in the air. (And, in a more subtle way, if I realize (from seeing the floor) that they are actually against the wall, that gives a strange impression of them being pressed against the wall.) That's why the shadows in the low-key shots do their job well. The second reason is that the low-key shots do not contain the problem discussed in the second part of this message. As for other minor comments: I would consider bringing the shadows up a bit on the second image, as it appears a bit darker (especially with the darke skin tone). To be very nit-picking (and I don't have much of personal experience of setting up the studio lights this way), - in the image 3 (2b), I would have the model turining her head just a few degrees to her right (or widen the lights on the photographer's right), to reveal a bit more of her shadow-side [left for her] eye. That's about the purely photographic side of this gallery. Now, I would comment on what has been increasingly bothering me recently (my pet peeve, if you wish). Usually this is not much about the photographer, but the subject of the photos (models in this case). Typically it happens in the shots that do not include much of dynamic motion. Those are either posed shots (studio), i.e. the shots where the motion is completely frozen, or on-stage shots (e.g. not-the-top-level-show musicians on stage, not-the-top-trained fashion shows), where the motion is not considered to be the 1st priority for the main action (as in musicians on stage). The reason for this is that the subjects are not properly trained for the positions of their body, and especially limbs. AFAIK, the top-level fashion models have at least some dance/ballet, ... training as a part of their walking technique training. The same is applicable to many top-level music performers, especially in pop, pop-rock, musical, etc. -- Those genres that give a lot of attention to the on-stage action, and the musicians (especially the soloists) get trained how to move on stage. I think this is the first time I noticed this in your photos. In this GESO, it is especially noticeable in the last two photos. Those poses are rather awkward and non-ergonomic as seen in several aspects (to various extent). The first thing that struck me is how the feet are turned in. This is most noticeable in the last two shots. The models appear as they can barely walk in high-heels. (My wife tells me that there is some niche of mid-level fashion shots, - such as Macy's, J.C.Penny's, etc. sales advertisements, - that suffers this problem. She says that apparently some consider it to be fine and even beautiful.) The knees are also turned in (that's a concequence of the feet position). The right hand of the light-skinned model in the last shot also has a bit awkward position. (The photographer can be partially blamed for this, but I would argue if the model were well trained for this, and the rest of the pose were less frozen, she wouldn't have had this awkward hand position). In the second to the last photo, even though the hand positions are less unnatural, they still seem to be somewhat like those of a barbie-doll. I actually discuss some related concerns in my dancers and photography workshops, - primarily for the benefits of dancers, but also for photographers to know what to watch for. There, it is even more important, as most of the time the dance is the transition between poses, not a frozen (struck) pose. Last December, I was shooting at the jazz concert of the daughter of our friend, a prominent professional photographer. At that concert, I saw exactly the same situation: the poses the singer held (and the moves) where at times very awkward. I discussed that situation with my wife, who had exactly the same impression. But the situation was such that we were not in position to offer our advice. We both thought that it's possible that nobody ever pointed it out to the young lady. As a result, I scrapped a bunch of shots that contained an awkard pose, and, in some cases, had to go with a somewhat technically inferior shots (the ambient stage light was harsh, and I was shooting from a fixed point in the middle of the audience, 4th or 5th row, frequently pulled by my little daughter). So, in most of the shots posted, the awkwardness of poses/motion is not noticeable: http://42graphy.org/music/olivia_harris/ Igor PS. Apparently, I am not the only one concerned about this trend. Here is a fashion blog (in Russian): http://fashiony.ru/page.php?id_n=33076 that featurs a bunch of fashion photos that suffer the clubfootness. Google
Re: PESO Poser
That's definitely a cutie, Ann! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: I found my way to a couple other birdy shots I like a lot... that you might or might not have Peso'ed when I wasnt looking.. Sunday Brunch http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17593121 and the swan on nest.. and a greate egret shot a while back.. brown thrasher is a tad light for my eye but sure looks like that is who he is. ann On 6/8/2014 23:25, Paul Stenquist wrote: This gal knows how to work the camera: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785222size=lg K3, DA* 60-250, DA 1.4X converter, Earlier, I posted the wrong link for what I believe is a Brown Thrasher. Same equipment as above, but a very deep crop on this: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785018size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katzeyy
On Jun 9, 2014, at 1:32 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I have the non-Opti-Bright option in my K20D, the screen is subjectively as bright as the original, so I don't think you'll miss much by forgoing it. One helpful addition is also the O-ME53 magnifying eyepiece. 1.2X magnification doesn't seem like a lot but it really does help when manually focusing. Thanks on both counts, P.J. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net “...we are a form of invitation to others and to otherness... - David Whyte -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Cabaret
Patri is back -- I know, yet again -- in a look that said cabaret to me: http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88292280167 Unless you care to hear them, I'll spare you all the lighting details. K-3 and DA* 16-50/2.8 as usual. Comments are welcome. Go for it, Igor! :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Cabaret
I liked your lighting. Would be very happy to hear about the details as well. (I see you have even managed to show black on black nicely). There is no doubt about her pleasant looks. However, I see an is this OK? look on her eyes... I may be wrong... She seems to be rather too shy for the proper facial expression which might have fit this pose better. Bulent - You can still expect more from Igor ;)- - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2014-06-09 21:33 GMT+03:00 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: Patri is back -- I know, yet again -- in a look that said cabaret to me: http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88292280167 Unless you care to hear them, I'll spare you all the lighting details. K-3 and DA* 16-50/2.8 as usual. Comments are welcome. Go for it, Igor! :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Cabaret
I can detect, I believe, an attitude of this is going to be fun. The slight Mona Lisa smile and bright eyes promise a happening. Like it, Bruce. Jack - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: PDML PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 11:33:25 AM Subject: PESO - Cabaret Patri is back -- I know, yet again -- in a look that said cabaret to me: http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88292280167 Unless you care to hear them, I'll spare you all the lighting details. K-3 and DA* 16-50/2.8 as usual. Comments are welcome. Go for it, Igor! :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: for those who love signs
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/08/travel/denali-road/index.html?hpt=hp_c3 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - above the fold
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Hi Bruce, I also like the low-key shots better. If you are interested in some more detailed comments, their a below. Please excuse the amount of text and the critical component of these comments. Igor, I welcome your critique, and I'm grateful to you for taking the time to write a thorough one. If I wasn't prepared to take the heat ... :-) There are two main reasons why I like the low-key images better. First, in the high-key, the paper-white (pun intended) background makes the entire composition sort of hanging in the air. (And, in a more subtle way, if I realize (from seeing the floor) that they are actually against the wall, that gives a strange impression of them being pressed against the wall.) You are actually getting my intended meaning and look then, Igor. I wanted them to look 2D, flat like paper -- paper-white even (though the wall is actually warm off-white). I arranged the three softboxes around me where I was shooting from so as to give the scene completely flat lighting and produce those curious surround shadows typical of ring-lights. They become paper cutouts themselves. They look a little other-worldly and unnatural You are free to choose whether you like the look/effect, of course. ;-) That's why the shadows in the low-key shots do their job well. The second reason is that the low-key shots do not contain the problem discussed in the second part of this message. As for other minor comments: I would consider bringing the shadows up a bit on the second image, as it appears a bit darker (especially with the darke skin tone). To be very nit-picking (and I don't have much of personal experience of setting up the studio lights this way), - in the image 3 (2b), I would have the model turining her head just a few degrees to her right (or widen the lights on the photographer's right), to reveal a bit more of her shadow-side [left for her] eye. Yeah, that too-dark eye bothered me too. I'm trying to embrace shadow more though, and I've got plenty of examples of faces even more severely shadowed so I figured I'd leave it for now and see if it grows on me or what. That's about the purely photographic side of this gallery. Now, I would comment on what has been increasingly bothering me recently (my pet peeve, if you wish). Usually this is not much about the photographer, but the subject of the photos (models in this case). Typically it happens in the shots that do not include much of dynamic motion. Those are either posed shots (studio), i.e. the shots where the motion is completely frozen, or on-stage shots (e.g. not-the-top-level-show musicians on stage, not-the-top-trained fashion shows), where the motion is not considered to be the 1st priority for the main action (as in musicians on stage). The reason for this is that the subjects are not properly trained for the positions of their body, and especially limbs. AFAIK, the top-level fashion models have at least some dance/ballet, ... training as a part of their walking technique training. Nope, not that I've seen. Dancers are highly prized though. I hope to shoot with one shortly. The same is applicable to many top-level music performers, especially in pop, pop-rock, musical, etc. -- Those genres that give a lot of attention to the on-stage action, and the musicians (especially the soloists) get trained how to move on stage. I think this is the first time I noticed this in your photos. In this GESO, it is especially noticeable in the last two photos. Those poses are rather awkward and non-ergonomic as seen in several aspects (to various extent). The first thing that struck me is how the feet are turned in. This is most noticeable in the last two shots. The models appear as they can barely walk in high-heels. (My wife tells me that there is some niche of mid-level fashion shots, - such as Macy's, J.C.Penny's, etc. sales advertisements, - that suffers this problem. She says that apparently some consider it to be fine and even beautiful.) The knees are also turned in (that's a concequence of the feet position). The right hand of the light-skinned model in the last shot also has a bit awkward position. (The photographer can be partially blamed for this, but I would argue if the model were well trained for this, and the rest of the pose were less frozen, she wouldn't have had this awkward hand position). I might have saved you some angst if I explained that I was trying to get them to dance The Charleston for me! :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJC21zzkwoE Note Step 3: turn your feet in and out. I was trying to coordinate them and capture some typical Charleston moves or looks. It was fun but only partially successful. In the second to the last photo, even though the hand positions are less unnatural, they still seem to be somewhat like those of a barbie-doll. Somebody suggest they try doll
Re: PESO - Cabaret
Like it. Maybe needs a touch of a hair light to separate the hat from the background...at least on my monitor... -p On 6/9/2014 1:33 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Patri is back -- I know, yet again -- in a look that said cabaret to me: http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88292280167 Unless you care to hear them, I'll spare you all the lighting details. K-3 and DA* 16-50/2.8 as usual. Comments are welcome. Go for it, Igor! :-) -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon
Oh - I didn't even realize Jack, that you thought it was the Grand Canyon -- because of the geology as opposed to geometry :-) ) isn't right either.. I think Yellowstone might be right.. But also, what about the snake river in IDaho? The canyon walls definitely look like volcanics - rim trees look like the Ponderosa Googling images for yellowstone river canyon seem to confirm Yellowstone ann On 6/9/2014 10:39, Jack Davis wrote: I believe you're right, John. Among the images I had given the drugstore to scan, was one I know was a smallish Yellowstone waterfall shot (not the repeatedly seen Grand Canyon of Yellowstone falls). That may be in Yellowstone. Been several years since last being in any part of Yellowstone. Jack - Original Message - From: John jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:22:00 AM Subject: Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon It's not the Grand Canyon. Too many trees down near the river the walls aren't steep enough. On 6/8/2014 11:10 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I've been to the Grand Canyon with a camera, but this attachment doesn't exactly fit my recollections. Low res drug store scan done years ago. Am finished mining my files for today. God light somewhat a mystery. Suspect can't be defined against the sky. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=775 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon
Thanks, ann. I didn't ever think it was the Grand Canyon. Stated a couple times that I didn't know, hence; Mystery Canyon. Too sloping, rounded and wooded. Not sharp, rugged and vertical enough for the G.C.. I've been to the Snake River at various locations, but never in Idaho. I'm leaning Yellowstone, especially with your encouragement. Glad we settled that! haha Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 12:56:53 PM Subject: Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon Oh - I didn't even realize Jack, that you thought it was the Grand Canyon -- because of the geology as opposed to geometry :-) ) isn't right either.. I think Yellowstone might be right.. But also, what about the snake river in IDaho? The canyon walls definitely look like volcanics - rim trees look like the Ponderosa Googling images for yellowstone river canyon seem to confirm Yellowstone ann On 6/9/2014 10:39, Jack Davis wrote: I believe you're right, John. Among the images I had given the drugstore to scan, was one I know was a smallish Yellowstone waterfall shot (not the repeatedly seen Grand Canyon of Yellowstone falls). That may be in Yellowstone. Been several years since last being in any part of Yellowstone. Jack - Original Message - From: John jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:22:00 AM Subject: Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon It's not the Grand Canyon. Too many trees down near the river the walls aren't steep enough. On 6/8/2014 11:10 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I've been to the Grand Canyon with a camera, but this attachment doesn't exactly fit my recollections. Low res drug store scan done years ago. Am finished mining my files for today. God light somewhat a mystery. Suspect can't be defined against the sky. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=775 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Cabaret
Very nice rendering of deep black colors. The hat was a good idea to create a Cabaret like mood. Not sure about the smile, she seems to be smiling more with her eyes than lips. Or this is just made more apparent by the catchlight. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Patri is back -- I know, yet again -- in a look that said cabaret to me: http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88292280167 Unless you care to hear them, I'll spare you all the lighting details. K-3 and DA* 16-50/2.8 as usual. Comments are welcome. Go for it, Igor! :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Cabaret
Thank you, Bulent. You could be right, she is shy, and quite inexperienced. I'm getting better at directing, so I am semi-experienced. The blind leading the blind. :-) I think she's a natural though: when I suggested that for the next 20 shots she adopt a new pose and expression after every flash, she did a great job. I got some terrific relaxed expressions that way. For the lighting: a Westcott 28 Apollo softbox as key, C-L and up a bit. Patri was rim-light from her left and right, slightly behind her, with two Apollo Strip softboxes with 40 degree grids, to control spill. I stood on a stool to get that looking down viewpoint. One Pentax AF540FGZ in the key light and Neewer TT560's in the two strips. I never have trouble with getting accurate exposure of black on black since I religiously use my light meter. [This, of course, being the tool derided by just about everyone as completely unnecessary and we just use the histogram. Good f**king luck using a histogram in a shot like this, folks. ;-) ] On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: I liked your lighting. Would be very happy to hear about the details as well. (I see you have even managed to show black on black nicely). There is no doubt about her pleasant looks. However, I see an is this OK? look on her eyes... I may be wrong... She seems to be rather too shy for the proper facial expression which might have fit this pose better. Bulent - You can still expect more from Igor ;)- - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2014-06-09 21:33 GMT+03:00 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: Patri is back -- I know, yet again -- in a look that said cabaret to me: http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88292280167 Unless you care to hear them, I'll spare you all the lighting details. K-3 and DA* 16-50/2.8 as usual. Comments are welcome. Go for it, Igor! :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Cabaret
I agree, Paul, some extra backlighting would have been nice. It's too bad I was out of lights at that point. :-) Thanks! On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Paul pentax1...@gmail.com wrote: Like it. Maybe needs a touch of a hair light to separate the hat from the background...at least on my monitor... -p On 6/9/2014 1:33 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Patri is back -- I know, yet again -- in a look that said cabaret to me: http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88292280167 Unless you care to hear them, I'll spare you all the lighting details. K-3 and DA* 16-50/2.8 as usual. Comments are welcome. Go for it, Igor! :-) -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Cabaret
Thank you, Jack. I believe a hint of mischievousness was showing toward the end of our session and if I get to shoot with her again I'd hope to draw her out even more. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: I can detect, I believe, an attitude of this is going to be fun. The slight Mona Lisa smile and bright eyes promise a happening. Like it, Bruce. Jack - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: PDML PDML@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 11:33:25 AM Subject: PESO - Cabaret Patri is back -- I know, yet again -- in a look that said cabaret to me: http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88292280167 Unless you care to hear them, I'll spare you all the lighting details. K-3 and DA* 16-50/2.8 as usual. Comments are welcome. Go for it, Igor! :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Cabaret
Yeah, I picked up that hat at a vintage clothing store. I figured it'd be a good prop someday. Her eyes are one of her strong features -- perhaps I should have retouched her lips a little (eg add some colour) to balance? (I avoid tweaking facial features much; too easy to mess that up and do something grotesque.) She did her own makeup (and an excellent job too) and she normally wears very little, so I preferred to just leave her natural. Thanks for commenting, Attila. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: Very nice rendering of deep black colors. The hat was a good idea to create a Cabaret like mood. Not sure about the smile, she seems to be smiling more with her eyes than lips. Or this is just made more apparent by the catchlight. On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Patri is back -- I know, yet again -- in a look that said cabaret to me: http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88292280167 Unless you care to hear them, I'll spare you all the lighting details. K-3 and DA* 16-50/2.8 as usual. Comments are welcome. Go for it, Igor! :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Bike Love
Couldn't resist. Just a quick snap: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/06/bike-love-on-ossington.html?m=1 Ah, young love... Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Cabaret
I love everything about this. The pose, the expression, costume, hat, lighting, exposure, point of view. It's about perfect to my eye. Cheers, frank On 9 June, 2014 2:33:25 PM EDT, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Patri is back -- I know, yet again -- in a look that said cabaret to me: http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88292280167 Unless you care to hear them, I'll spare you all the lighting details. K-3 and DA* 16-50/2.8 as usual. Comments are welcome. Go for it, Igor! :-) “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Poser
Excellent! Cheers, frank On 8 June, 2014 11:25:47 PM EDT, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: This gal knows how to work the camera: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785222size=lg K3, DA* 60-250, DA 1.4X converter, Earlier, I posted the wrong link for what I believe is a Brown Thrasher. Same equipment as above, but a very deep crop on this: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17785018size=lg “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon
The colours are other-worldly. Love that big tall tree on the right. Beautiful composition. Cheers, frank On 8 June, 2014 11:10:47 AM EDT, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: I've been to the Grand Canyon with a camera, but this attachment doesn't exactly fit my recollections. Low res drug store scan done years ago. Am finished mining my files for today. God light somewhat a mystery. Suspect can't be defined against the sky. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=775 “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Patri
Beautiful! Cheers, frank On 6 June, 2014 4:18:39 PM EDT, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I had a lovely test shoot with local emerging actor Patri Erdei on Thursday morning. So far Patri has had a number of background appearances in TV and film, but has no portfolio to speak of yet. She had also never shot in a studio before yesterday. I shot several different lighting styles from ambient window through contrasty spotlight over three and a half hours. This portrait caught my eye while reviewing the days catch ... http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88011052857 K-3, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm/F:13, 1/125th sec, ISO 200 Lr, Ps Neewer TT560 in Westcott Apollo 28 softbox C-L front; TT560 in Apollo Strip with 40 degree grid C-R behind, AF540FGZ with 1/8 Honl Speedgrid aimed at black background C-R. Comments welcome, of course. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Patri
Beautiful model, beautifully lit and rendered. Paul On Jun 9, 2014, at 10:26 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Beautiful! Cheers, frank On 6 June, 2014 4:18:39 PM EDT, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I had a lovely test shoot with local emerging actor Patri Erdei on Thursday morning. So far Patri has had a number of background appearances in TV and film, but has no portfolio to speak of yet. She had also never shot in a studio before yesterday. I shot several different lighting styles from ambient window through contrasty spotlight over three and a half hours. This portrait caught my eye while reviewing the days catch ... http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88011052857 K-3, DA* 50-135/2.8 @ 123mm/F:13, 1/125th sec, ISO 200 Lr, Ps Neewer TT560 in Westcott Apollo 28 softbox C-L front; TT560 in Apollo Strip with 40 degree grid C-R behind, AF540FGZ with 1/8 Honl Speedgrid aimed at black background C-R. Comments welcome, of course. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: for those who love signs
22 years ago today I was , essentially, right there - but in 1992 those signs wree not - though there were others with enormous skeeters around. we left before it got into the most severe time for those critters to attack. are you thinking of doing that trip instead of HAwaii , Dan? ann On 6/9/2014 15:24, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/08/travel/denali-road/index.html?hpt=hp_c3 Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon
There are photos I saw when I did the image search that looked like they were taken near where you were... gotta be Yellowstone but that is the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone so ann On 6/9/2014 17:11, Jack Davis wrote: Thanks, ann. I didn't ever think it was the Grand Canyon. Stated a couple times that I didn't know, hence; Mystery Canyon. Too sloping, rounded and wooded. Not sharp, rugged and vertical enough for the G.C.. I've been to the Snake River at various locations, but never in Idaho. I'm leaning Yellowstone, especially with your encouragement. Glad we settled that! haha Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 12:56:53 PM Subject: Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon Oh - I didn't even realize Jack, that you thought it was the Grand Canyon -- because of the geology as opposed to geometry :-) ) isn't right either.. I think Yellowstone might be right.. But also, what about the snake river in IDaho? The canyon walls definitely look like volcanics - rim trees look like the Ponderosa Googling images for yellowstone river canyon seem to confirm Yellowstone ann On 6/9/2014 10:39, Jack Davis wrote: I believe you're right, John. Among the images I had given the drugstore to scan, was one I know was a smallish Yellowstone waterfall shot (not the repeatedly seen Grand Canyon of Yellowstone falls). That may be in Yellowstone. Been several years since last being in any part of Yellowstone. Jack - Original Message - From: John jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:22:00 AM Subject: Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon It's not the Grand Canyon. Too many trees down near the river the walls aren't steep enough. On 6/8/2014 11:10 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I've been to the Grand Canyon with a camera, but this attachment doesn't exactly fit my recollections. Low res drug store scan done years ago. Am finished mining my files for today. God light somewhat a mystery. Suspect can't be defined against the sky. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=775 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Bike Love
Yeah - but very theraultian :-) ann On 6/9/2014 22:05, knarf wrote: Couldn't resist. Just a quick snap: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/06/bike-love-on-ossington.html?m=1 Ah, young love... Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon
Thanks, Frank! J - Original Message - From: knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:24:00 PM Subject: Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon The colours are other-worldly. Love that big tall tree on the right. Beautiful composition. Cheers, frank On 8 June, 2014 11:10:47 AM EDT, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote: I've been to the Grand Canyon with a camera, but this attachment doesn't exactly fit my recollections. Low res drug store scan done years ago. Am finished mining my files for today. God light somewhat a mystery. Suspect can't be defined against the sky. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=775 “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon
Yes, likely a less visited portion. Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:51:01 PM Subject: Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon There are photos I saw when I did the image search that looked like they were taken near where you were... gotta be Yellowstone but that is the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone so ann On 6/9/2014 17:11, Jack Davis wrote: Thanks, ann. I didn't ever think it was the Grand Canyon. Stated a couple times that I didn't know, hence; Mystery Canyon. Too sloping, rounded and wooded. Not sharp, rugged and vertical enough for the G.C.. I've been to the Snake River at various locations, but never in Idaho. I'm leaning Yellowstone, especially with your encouragement. Glad we settled that! haha Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 12:56:53 PM Subject: Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon Oh - I didn't even realize Jack, that you thought it was the Grand Canyon -- because of the geology as opposed to geometry :-) ) isn't right either.. I think Yellowstone might be right.. But also, what about the snake river in IDaho? The canyon walls definitely look like volcanics - rim trees look like the Ponderosa Googling images for yellowstone river canyon seem to confirm Yellowstone ann On 6/9/2014 10:39, Jack Davis wrote: I believe you're right, John. Among the images I had given the drugstore to scan, was one I know was a smallish Yellowstone waterfall shot (not the repeatedly seen Grand Canyon of Yellowstone falls). That may be in Yellowstone. Been several years since last being in any part of Yellowstone. Jack - Original Message - From: John jsessoms...@nc.rr.com To: PDML pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:22:00 AM Subject: Re: Peso: Mystery Canyon It's not the Grand Canyon. Too many trees down near the river the walls aren't steep enough. On 6/8/2014 11:10 AM, Jack Davis wrote: I've been to the Grand Canyon with a camera, but this attachment doesn't exactly fit my recollections. Low res drug store scan done years ago. Am finished mining my files for today. God light somewhat a mystery. Suspect can't be defined against the sky. Comments? Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=775 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Hopkins Falls
Quoting Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: What a beautiful place, Brian! Did you spend much time there? I could view that for hours. I only spent about half an hour there. The surrounding area is mainly farmland/pasture. The river just happens to drop over these falls in the middle of it all - not much else to see, really. The weather wasn't great either... Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: G'day all Another one from my road trip around southern Victoria. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP5385-K5-1peso.html http://tinyurl.com/qjtejv8 Pentax K-5 with DA 18-135 mm. Comments etc, appreciated: -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - above the fold
Bruce, Well, I guess that on the account of a few of my comments, -- they are that way by design. As for charleston, - I guess it was the fact that they didn't know how to do it well that resulted in such an awkward legs/feet positions. I photographed many swing dancers, including those dancing charlestone. I don't think I've ever seen anything as awkward. But, indeed, you can get the toes twisted inside. The first (albeit not the most representative) photo that I found among those posted online: http://42graphy.komkon.org/swing/lonestar-2010/_IR_3744.html This is an older photo, and hence the quality is not as good, but it shows the poses: http://42graphy.org/swing/raf-2007/krd/content/IMGP0736_large.html And you can see how it looks in dynamics (I am sure you are familiar with the original looks): http://youtu.be/grayhuxwGv4?t=2m16s Cheers, Igor Mon Jun 9 15:34:19 EDT 2014 Bruce Walker wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote: Hi Bruce, I also like the low-key shots better. If you are interested in some more detailed comments, their a below. Please excuse the amount of text and the critical component of these comments. Igor, I welcome your critique, and I'm grateful to you for taking the time to write a thorough one. If I wasn't prepared to take the heat ... :-) There are two main reasons why I like the low-key images better. First, in the high-key, the paper-white (pun intended) background makes the entire composition sort of hanging in the air. (And, in a more subtle way, if I realize (from seeing the floor) that they are actually against the wall, that gives a strange impression of them being pressed against the wall.) You are actually getting my intended meaning and look then, Igor. I wanted them to look 2D, flat like paper -- paper-white even (though the wall is actually warm off-white). I arranged the three softboxes around me where I was shooting from so as to give the scene completely flat lighting and produce those curious surround shadows typical of ring-lights. They become paper cutouts themselves. They look a little other-worldly and unnatural You are free to choose whether you like the look/effect, of course. ;-) That's why the shadows in the low-key shots do their job well. The second reason is that the low-key shots do not contain the problem discussed in the second part of this message. As for other minor comments: I would consider bringing the shadows up a bit on the second image, as it appears a bit darker (especially with the darke skin tone). To be very nit-picking (and I don't have much of personal experience of setting up the studio lights this way), - in the image 3 (2b), I would have the model turining her head just a few degrees to her right (or widen the lights on the photographer's right), to reveal a bit more of her shadow-side [left for her] eye. Yeah, that too-dark eye bothered me too. I'm trying to embrace shadow more though, and I've got plenty of examples of faces even more severely shadowed so I figured I'd leave it for now and see if it grows on me or what. That's about the purely photographic side of this gallery. Now, I would comment on what has been increasingly bothering me recently (my pet peeve, if you wish). Usually this is not much about the photographer, but the subject of the photos (models in this case). Typically it happens in the shots that do not include much of dynamic motion. Those are either posed shots (studio), i.e. the shots where the motion is completely frozen, or on-stage shots (e.g. not-the-top-level-show musicians on stage, not-the-top-trained fashion shows), where the motion is not considered to be the 1st priority for the main action (as in musicians on stage). The reason for this is that the subjects are not properly trained for the positions of their body, and especially limbs. AFAIK, the top-level fashion models have at least some dance/ballet, ... training as a part of their walking technique training. Nope, not that I've seen. Dancers are highly prized though. I hope to shoot with one shortly. The same is applicable to many top-level music performers, especially in pop, pop-rock, musical, etc. -- Those genres that give a lot of attention to the on-stage action, and the musicians (especially the soloists) get trained how to move on stage. I think this is the first time I noticed this in your photos. In this GESO, it is especially noticeable in the last two photos. Those poses are rather awkward and non-ergonomic as seen in several aspects (to various extent). The first thing that struck me is how the feet are turned in. This is most noticeable in the last two shots. The models appear as they can barely walk in high-heels. (My wife tells me that there is some niche of mid-level fashion shots, - such as Macy's, J.C.Penny's, etc. sales advertisements, - that suffers this problem. She says that apparently some
