Re: OT Mac OS Sierra - break anything photographic?

[Philip Northeast]

I have a late 2014 iMac running Sierra. I mainly use Lightroom but I 
haven't had any problems with photoshop. I have the subscription 
versions so they are the latest.


Philip Northeast

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On 18/10/16 4:31 pm, David Mann wrote:

You're in a similar situation to me as I also have CS5.  I've been holding off 
updating to Sierra but I did a search today and found that CS5 is not 
officially tested/supported on Sierra.  It seems lots of people are having 
trouble with crashes and printing problems.  Some people couldn't even get it 
to run as it required a legacy Java dependency which doesn't have an installer 
available for Sierra.

I'm currently thinking about going to CC now.  I'm reluctant but I knew it was 
inevitable.  Adobe doesn't offer payment in NZD and the AUD exchange rate is 
pretty good right now, so I might go for a 12-month subscription.  It does 
puzzle me that buying 12 months offers no discount over 12x 1-month payments.

I have no idea about Lightroom but the situation is likely to be similar if 
your version is of similar vintage to CS5.  If (when) I get out the credit card 
I'll end up with Lightroom as well, which will be fun after all these years of 
Bridge.

Cheers,
Dave


On Oct 18, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

Dave's workflow dilemma reminded me I wanted to ask you folks if
anyone had experienced or heard of any issues or app breakage caused
by upgrading to Mac OS 10.12 Sierra?

I use an older Lightroom, 4.4. Also older Photoshop CS5 (12.0.4).

Thanks!

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Re: PESO - Colorful

[Paul in MKE]

I like it...print it, frame it, hang it on the wall.

-p


On 10/17/2016 1:19 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



http://42graphy.org/misc/Colorful_IR34606.jpg

I like the juxtaposition, but I am biased on several levels.
I am curious if this photo works for others.

All comments and critique are welcome!

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Re: OT Mac OS Sierra - break anything photographic?

[David Mann]

You're in a similar situation to me as I also have CS5.  I've been holding off 
updating to Sierra but I did a search today and found that CS5 is not 
officially tested/supported on Sierra.  It seems lots of people are having 
trouble with crashes and printing problems.  Some people couldn't even get it 
to run as it required a legacy Java dependency which doesn't have an installer 
available for Sierra.

I'm currently thinking about going to CC now.  I'm reluctant but I knew it was 
inevitable.  Adobe doesn't offer payment in NZD and the AUD exchange rate is 
pretty good right now, so I might go for a 12-month subscription.  It does 
puzzle me that buying 12 months offers no discount over 12x 1-month payments.

I have no idea about Lightroom but the situation is likely to be similar if 
your version is of similar vintage to CS5.  If (when) I get out the credit card 
I'll end up with Lightroom as well, which will be fun after all these years of 
Bridge.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Dave's workflow dilemma reminded me I wanted to ask you folks if
> anyone had experienced or heard of any issues or app breakage caused
> by upgrading to Mac OS 10.12 Sierra?
> 
> I use an older Lightroom, 4.4. Also older Photoshop CS5 (12.0.4).
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: PESO: The Moon in Perigee

[Paul Stenquist]

Looking at the data it's about a 2.4 stop push, so about ISO 4000, and it' s a 
tight crop. I shot some at f8 that are more like ISO 1000, but I like this one 
better. 

Paul via phone

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 11:16 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good image. Not excessive, but seems slightly grainy.
> Perhaps due to a one stop under exposure?
> J
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stenquist" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 7:42:57 PM
> Subject: PESO: The Moon in Perigee
> 
> Moon pics are too easily executed to count as good photos, but they’re also a 
> lot of fun. A day late on this one, as the moon is now waning, but we were 
> socked in yesterday. What’s more, I was watching football and was undoubtedly 
> overserved. But we get another chance in November, when the moon will be even 
> a bit closer to earth. K-1 D FA 150-450 plus 1.4X converter, 630 mm, f11, 
> 1/1000th, ISO 800 and at least a stop push in conversion. I have an A 2XS 
> converter as well, and may give that a go next time. Too much glass is just 
> enough. 
> 
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Re: The Moon in Perigee

[Alan C]

Don't you know the moon is made of mature cheddar?

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Davis

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 5:16 AM
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Subject: Re: PESO: The Moon in Perigee


Good image. Not excessive, but seems slightly grainy.
Perhaps due to a one stop under exposure?
J

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Subject: PESO: The Moon in Perigee

Moon pics are too easily executed to count as good photos, but they’re also 
a lot of fun. A day late on this one, as the moon is now waning, but we were 
socked in yesterday. What’s more, I was watching football and was 
undoubtedly overserved. But we get another chance in November, when the moon 
will be even a bit closer to earth. K-1 D FA 150-450 plus 1.4X converter, 
630 mm, f11, 1/1000th, ISO 800 and at least a stop push in conversion. I 
have an A 2XS converter as well, and may give that a go next time. Too much 
glass is just enough.


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Re: PESO - Colorful

[Igor PDML-StR]

Thanks to all who have looked and commented: Bruce, Malcolm, Bob, Ann, 
Larry, P.J.


Bob: yep, I see that... I didn't see it while taking the shot, and, 
actually, it was sufficient challenge to convince the model to stand there 
at all. ;-)
And that's why, Ann, the only option was to have her posing, and even 
that, - only for a very short period of time. I took only 1 or 2 shots..


Larry: good idea, - I might try to play with the lens correction in LR.

Bruce, Malcom, P.J., Ann: this "dramatic" wall is actually a wall of a 
(previously small) theater. Many years ago, in 1963 it started as a 
student theater "Maneken" (Mannequin). They moved into the basement of 
this building in 1980.
In 1990s and 2000s, the theater participated in a bunch of international 
theater festivals in Europe and USA, taking a bunch of prizes, and 
becoming a "municipal theater" (= professional, supported by the city) in 
1992. In 2000, they moved to a new, just reconstructed building, while 
this older building remained for the "experimental" shows and for the

"student studio" of the theater.

I don't know how long ago this wall got this look (it used to be just 
plain white), and what's the story behind it. But in my mind it has 
nothing menacing. To me it is a reflection of non-conformistic spirit of 
this theater, or at least my image of it.


The juxtaposition I mentioned is along several different vectors: B 
vs. color, large vs. little, angular vs. cute.


Igor

PS. Ann, yes, you guessed right about her. And that's one of the reasons 
why I am biased. ;-)




On Mon, 17 Oct 2016, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




http://42graphy.org/misc/Colorful_IR34606.jpg

I like the juxtaposition, but I am biased on several levels.
I am curious if this photo works for others.

All comments and critique are welcome!

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PESO -- Tis the season.

[P.J. Alling]

ΔΤΧ will not be forgotten...

https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20tistheseason.html

Not often one gets a chance for a seasonal photograph and an Animal 
House reference at the same time*.


Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/smc Pentax FA 43mm f1.8 Limited.

Not as sharp as it could be but then it was half a second hand held.

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.


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Re: PESO: The Moon in Perigee

[Jack Davis]

Good image. Not excessive, but seems slightly grainy.
Perhaps due to a one stop under exposure?
J

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Subject: PESO: The Moon in Perigee

Moon pics are too easily executed to count as good photos, but they’re also a 
lot of fun. A day late on this one, as the moon is now waning, but we were 
socked in yesterday. What’s more, I was watching football and was undoubtedly 
overserved. But we get another chance in November, when the moon will be even a 
bit closer to earth. K-1 D FA 150-450 plus 1.4X converter, 630 mm, f11, 
1/1000th, ISO 800 and at least a stop push in conversion. I have an A 2XS 
converter as well, and may give that a go next time. Too much glass is just 
enough. 

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Re: PESO - Colorful

[ann sanfedele]

I think you're on to something P.J.  I looked again.. the artwork is 
decidedly menacing...


I said before I'd have liked it better if thelittle girl (Igor, is that 
your daughter?) wasn't posing, but that would change thestory so now I'm 
not sure...


that forced smile and her being all dolled upand the scariness of the 
artwork make a certain kind of ominous statement.


ann



On 10/17/2016 10:35 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

It's a cheerful photograph yet at the same time vaguely disturbing.

On 10/17/2016 2:19 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



http://42graphy.org/misc/Colorful_IR34606.jpg

I like the juxtaposition, but I am biased on several levels.
I am curious if this photo works for others.

All comments and critique are welcome!

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PESO: The Moon in Perigee

[Paul Stenquist]

Moon pics are too easily executed to count as good photos, but they’re also a 
lot of fun. A day late on this one, as the moon is now waning, but we were 
socked in yesterday. What’s more, I was watching football and was undoubtedly 
overserved. But we get another chance in November, when the moon will be even a 
bit closer to earth. K-1 D FA 150-450 plus 1.4X converter, 630 mm, f11, 
1/1000th, ISO 800 and at least a stop push in conversion. I have an A 2XS 
converter as well, and may give that a go next time. Too much glass is just 
enough. 

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Re: PESO - Colorful

[P.J. Alling]

It's a cheerful photograph yet at the same time vaguely disturbing.

On 10/17/2016 2:19 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



http://42graphy.org/misc/Colorful_IR34606.jpg

I like the juxtaposition, but I am biased on several levels.
I am curious if this photo works for others.

All comments and critique are welcome!

Igor





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I saw a rocket launch tonight

[John]

Orbital ATK was supposed to launch an Antares supply rocket this evening
at 7:40pm EDT from Wallops Island, VA going up to the ISS.

It was supposed to be visible here in North Carolina. There's a high
bridge near my house that gives me a low horizon to the northeast, so I
went up there to see if I could spot it.

The info I got from space.com said it should be high enough above the
horizon to see it about 120 seconds after launch, so I expected to see
something at about 7:42. There was apparently a 5 minute delay.

I was just about to give up and go home at 7:47 when I spotted it. Kind
of a red dot moving across the sky, but I could see the exhaust plume
through my binoculars.

I lost sight of it when the first stage engine shut off, and just as I
was about to give up again, I spotted it when the second stage ignited.

Watched for a few more minutes until it disappeared. Don't know if it
got too far away for me to see or if they shut down the second stage engine.

No photos. I didn't know enough to choose an appropriate lens. So I
figured I'd see what it was and maybe next time I'll take a camera.
Don't know if I'd have been able to capture it anyway.

Still, Cool beans!

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Re: Mean Old Frisco Blues

[ann sanfedele]

nice story!  You should give him a print of the photo

ann


On 10/17/2016 4:27 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

m

ann sanfedele wrote:

I was thinking it was a difficult lighting situation and you handled it
well...

The thing is if you can do THIS kind of shooting, you could do
party/event photography with ease... better you than me, on that score,
but you

could use your stuff from these dance events to show what you can do...

I like that shot Malcom and Marco mentioned too, but my favorite was
"norton" :-)


The fellow that bought my Miata, which he renamed from "The Screaming 
Buttweasel" to the Mazdaratti, is named Norton.


His father's children from his immediately previous marriage were 
named Vincent and Isabella, and everyone accused him of naming them 
after the motorcycle and the car, so when his next wife was having a 
child they figured that they might as well go with it, and named 
Norton after the motorcycle.


When I was getting the locks worked on for my new to me Subaru, I 
introduced myself to the kid helping me, and when he told me his name, 
I knew exactly who he was, even if I don't think I've seen him since 
he was a year old.


Santa Cruz county is a small town at times.

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Re: PESO - Colorful

[Larry Colen]

Igor PDML-StR wrote:



http://42graphy.org/misc/Colorful_IR34606.jpg

I like the juxtaposition, but I am biased on several levels.
I am curious if this photo works for others.

All comments and critique are welcome!


I quite like it.  I might like it better if she were a little closer to 
the camera and filling more of the frame, but it's a great shot.


The line of the curb at the bottom seems a bit curved, did you try lens 
profile correction in lightroom?




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Re: Mean Old Frisco Blues

[Larry Colen]

m

ann sanfedele wrote:

I was thinking it was a difficult lighting situation and you handled it
well...

The thing is if you can do THIS kind of shooting, you could do
party/event photography with ease... better you than me, on that score,
but you

could use your stuff from these dance events to show what you can do...

I like that shot Malcom and Marco mentioned too, but my favorite was
"norton" :-)


The fellow that bought my Miata, which he renamed from "The Screaming 
Buttweasel" to the Mazdaratti, is named Norton.


His father's children from his immediately previous marriage were named 
Vincent and Isabella, and everyone accused him of naming them after the 
motorcycle and the car, so when his next wife was having a child they 
figured that they might as well go with it, and named Norton after the 
motorcycle.


When I was getting the locks worked on for my new to me Subaru, I 
introduced myself to the kid helping me, and when he told me his name, I 
knew exactly who he was, even if I don't think I've seen him since he 
was a year old.


Santa Cruz county is a small town at times.

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Re: PESO - Colorful

[ann sanfedele]

geometry wise, it works - but I'd like it a lot better if she wasn't 
posing for you...


ann


On 10/17/2016 2:19 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



http://42graphy.org/misc/Colorful_IR34606.jpg

I like the juxtaposition, but I am biased on several levels.
I am curious if this photo works for others.

All comments and critique are welcome!

Igor





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Re: Mean Old Frisco Blues

[ann sanfedele]

I was thinking it was a difficult lighting situation and you handled it 
well...


The thing is if you can do THIS kind of shooting, you could do 
party/event photography with ease... better you than me, on that score, 
but you


could use your stuff from these dance events to show what you can do...

I like that shot Malcom and Marco mentioned too, but my favorite was 
"norton" :-)


ann



On 10/17/2016 1:10 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



ann sanfedele wrote:

You clearly can have a career in event photography, Larry - you have the
lighting and timing nailed at this point...


Thanks Ann.  If only dance events actually had the money to pay. It's 
nice that they are now contacting me ahead of time and offering me 
discounts off my registration, at least from the "it's nice to be 
appreciated" point of view.


Apart from the musicians and the instructors, these events tend to be 
all volunteer with even the local dancers providing housing for people 
from out of town.  I mostly do the photography as a way of giving back 
to the community.


I can't claim much credit on the lighting, that is what was there. The 
LED lights were nice in some ways, but they really have their own sets 
of challenges.  It helps that the room was reasonably bright anyways.




To me it would be as much torture as shooting a wedding.


There's a big difference, I'd go to this event if I wasn't 
photographing it.  I'll admit that I didn't get as many photos on 
Sunday night because the band was so good I didn't want to spend as 
much time shooting rather than dancing.


ann


On 10/17/2016 3:21 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

A week ago I was at a dance workshop called the Mean Old Frisco Blues,
which happens to also be the name of a song. The music was excellent,
they started out with one of my favorite bands for dancing, and each
night the musice was even better than the last.

First some PESOs

Amethyst was a backup singer for Quinn Deveaux
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30082501340/in/album-72157675219453506/ 




404
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29748843454/in/album-72157675219453506/ 




Roy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30379539825/in/album-72157675219453506/ 




Dr. Feelgood
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30293494711/in/album-72157675219453506/ 




More Bathrooms
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30343897526/in/album-72157675219453506/ 





The full set
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157675219453506

It might be easier to look at using the flickriver front end
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157675219453506

Comments and suggestions always welcome.








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RE: PESO: Field Sparrow

[Malcolm Smith]

John wrote:

> And what's wrong with cat photos? :)
>
> Cheers, Dave
>

Nothing really. Unless you want to photograph birds - cats ain't birds.

For John & Dave; a regular bird stalker here: http://flic.kr/p/MRdvah

Malcolm


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Re: metz 58-af2 with K-1

[John]

Shoot off an email to their tech support and ask if they're working on a
Mac version of the firmware updater for Pentax K-1.

If not, find someone who has a windoze computer you can use for a few
minutes.

On 10/16/2016 8:22 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

And, with my luck, they only seem to have firmware for windows up on
their site.

http://www.metz-mecatech.de/en/lighting/firmware-download-flash-units/mecablitz-58-af-2-digital/pentax.html



Larry Colen wrote:

My metz flash would not work in p-ttl with the K-1. It turns out that it
needs a software upgrade:
http://www.metz-mecatech.de/en/lighting/firmware-download-flash-units/mecablitz-58-af-2-digital/pentax.html



Just so that other people don't find this out in the middle of a shoot
like I did.






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Re: PESO: Field Sparrow

[John]

On 10/17/2016 12:42 AM, David Mann wrote:

On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:43 AM, Malcolm Smith 
wrote:


I 'll have to be more patient. We also have a very high cat
population wandering about; I've got better pictures of them
stalking pigeons in the garden than I have of the birds
themselves!


And what's wrong with cat photos? :)

Cheers, Dave



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Re: PESO - Colorful

[Bob W-PDML]

Beautiful! Just that tiny patch of white behind her shoulder is slightly 
distracting.

B

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> 
> 
> http://42graphy.org/misc/Colorful_IR34606.jpg
> 
> I like the juxtaposition, but I am biased on several levels.
> I am curious if this photo works for others.
> 
> All comments and critique are welcome!
> 
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Re: OT Mac OS Sierra - break anything photographic?

[Stanley Halpin]

iOS10.0.2, OS 10.11.7, LR 6.7 (Camera RAW 9.7), Apple Watch 3.0

I have seen no issues with upgrades the last few cycles. 
I am disturbed by UI design changes in iOS10 and in the Watch 3.0. And I don’t 
like the Adobe subscription model. But I have seen no compatibility issues on 
my way to this setup.

stan

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:41 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Dave's workflow dilemma reminded me I wanted to ask you folks if
> anyone had experienced or heard of any issues or app breakage caused
> by upgrading to Mac OS 10.12 Sierra?
> 
> I use an older Lightroom, 4.4. Also older Photoshop CS5 (12.0.4).
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RE: PESO - Colorful

[Malcolm Smith]

Igor wrote:

http://42graphy.org/misc/Colorful_IR34606.jpg

This is the sort of street scene I often hope to find in town, mostly
without success. I really like this, the black and white background works
well.

Malcolm


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Re: Peso-AspenFall

[John]

Yeah, that's CO 145 going the other way when you get to Placerville.

On 10/16/2016 3:07 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

It was sufficiently hairy in broad daylight...

I consulted journal -  it was May 28th, 1990  after I had won the expert
division at the Mermorial day weekend Scrabble tourney. I owe that to
Richard being with me, and the two highest rated players dropping out of
tourney because they felt the field wasnt' strong enough and they were
in danger of a ratings decrease.  I thanked themfrom the podeum when I
collected my booty.  Seriously, it was the only important expert div
tourney I ever won... and it got me into the premiere division of a
rally important tourney in the Bosta ARea the next year... whare i came
in last  - hehe.  but it was a moment.

I digress...

Tameron resort is in Purgatory (the town of, really) and somewhat north
of Durango... we started out from there and I note 550, to 62 to 145 as
roads taken to get to La Salle Junciton in Utah) Scary as hell- even in
broad daylight.  I must not have gotten any keeper shots along the way
because the two boxes ofslides that covered that day are tightly packed
36 exposure rolls and have no little marks on the framesbut I'm curious
now and will ahve to actually look at them later.

the resort was pretty luxurious, nothing we could normally afford, but
one of the managers of the resort was an avid Scrabble player and we had
fabulously low rates for the weekend ...

ann


On 10/16/2016 12:22 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

The passes in that area were hairy and still solidly packed with
stretches of snow and some ice.
A four wheel drive SUV gave me just enough "courage" to gingerly creep
through it all and deliver us (wife and I)
to Telluride for breakfast.

J


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Subject: Re: Peso-AspenFall

There's a Colorado Scenic By-way that follows US 550 from Durango to
Ridgway, CO 45 across to Placerville and then CO 145 down to Cortez. If
you leave Durango in the morning; spend an hour or two wandering around
Silverton at lunchtime; stop here & there to photograph interesting
stuff ... you can get through all the really scary parts in daylight.

The Aspens are beautiful through-out the area ... which, come to think
of it, is probably why they designated it a scenic by-way.

Four to five hours actual drive time, but it takes all day & late into
the night if you want to take any time to enjoy the scenery. Plus the
time I was there they were resurfacing CO 145 between Rico & Dolores
which added considerable delay to the last leg of that journey.

If I ever do it again, I'll plan on visiting only sights in Colorado. I
had two weeks & my itinerary included Alamosa for the Great Sand Dunes,
Durango & Silverton, Mesa Verde, Grand Canyon North Rim & a visit with a
friend in Phoenix, AZ. Too much to see for me to devote as much time to
any of them as they deserved.

On 10/15/2016 9:39 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

been on that road only once.. upfrom Durango, thorugh Ouray then headed
west down to La Salle Junction in Utah.  Kinda scary road. But I love
those

Aspens...

ann


On 10/15/2016 8:36 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Thanks Ann!
Taken in the area of Lizard Head Pass on Hwy 550 between Ouray and
Telluride.

J

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:55 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

nice one, Jack -- where is it?

ann



On 10/15/2016 2:00 PM, Malcolm Smith wrote:
Jack Davis wrote:

I've posted this in square B Mamiya6, but ran across this "rusty"
35mm
version. Pls excuse the redundancy.
Shot in CO. in '06. with an ME Super.

C?

J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1110

Reminds me of my mountain bike route, but with more photographically
inclined trees. Good image.

Malcolm



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Re: OT work flow

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Oct 17, 2016, at 08:28 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
What is your resistance to upgrading your system to latest OS? Is it a hardware 
compatibility issue or ?

Presuming you have compatible hardware, there's no real negative to upgrading 
macOS to the latest version.

Fear mostly a lot of my old stand by programs will not work, or so i'm
told and woul dhave to upgrade several, which i am aware needs to be
done. But fear mostly

I can understand that.

The best way to combat fear is to work from the basis of knowledge: before I 
install OS updates on my main system, I build a test system with the updated OS 
and test all my standard tools, in their latest incarnations. Doing this makes 
it very clear what to expect when I install the OS for real on my main system. 
I'd recommend anyone resisting a system upgrade do that first. If too much then 
proves broken, and you can't afford to ... or simply can't ... upgrade some 
essential bits, you can stay clear until you sort out the incompatibility or 
move to other software. 

No big deal, really ... In the end, if what you have does the job, just keep 
using it. But if it doesn't do the job then you have to do something to enable 
forward motion. :-)

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Re: OT Mac OS Sierra - break anything photographic?

[Paul Stenquist]

I haven’t had any problems with PhotoShop CS6 or Bridge on Sierra 10.12  and my 
late 2015 iMac 27 5K. However, Apple’s own Mail software has been problematic. 
Others have reported this as well. When first started under Sierra, it works 
fine but when clicking back to  Mail list after running other software it 
freezes and I have to quit Mail and restar itt. I should point out that I run 
three different mailboxes, including comcast.com,  through Apple Mail, so that 
may be part of the problem. The computer also crashes and restarts at times 
when In sleep mode. Everything else seems to be okay. My system is somewhat 
extreme with 6 external hard drives currently running and a second 27-inch 
monitor. I should have waited to upgrade, but I always get a kick out of 
exploring new tech. 

The addition of Siri is somewhat useful, although you have to click her open, 
so if you’re asking her to start an app, you might as well just start the app 
yourself. I do ask her to read my schedule. That’s useful. 

Hoping the first upgrade fixes the Mail and Sleep problems.

Paul
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:41 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Dave's workflow dilemma reminded me I wanted to ask you folks if
> anyone had experienced or heard of any issues or app breakage caused
> by upgrading to Mac OS 10.12 Sierra?
> 
> I use an older Lightroom, 4.4. Also older Photoshop CS5 (12.0.4).
> 
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Re: OT Mac OS Sierra - break anything photographic?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I can't speak to LR4.4, that's too old: I haven't run anything less than 5.x or 
6.x for over a year, certainly never on anything older than macOS 10.11 El 
Capitan. I've been running Sierra through various alpha/beta iterations with 
PSCS5.1 and LR6.x for the past 9 months. The only problems I've noted (with 
both) are some issues with color managed printing profiles, but with LR6.4-6.6 
this happened even on macOS 10.11 El Capitan. LR6.7 seems to have addressed 
these now, but I haven't done extensive testing yet.

Otherwise, all of the apps I use in my image processing workflow (Lightroom, 
Flare, occasionally Photoshop) along with some of the display/word 
processing/etc apps I use have either worked flawlessly or have been updated 
for Sierra already. 

I have an existing installation of the last ever version of Aperture on one of 
my systems and it's still working well with Sierra. 

I understand that Capture One prior to version 9.3 has had some issues that 
have now been taken care of, but it's been a while since I tested C1. 

G


On Oct 17, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

Dave's workflow dilemma reminded me I wanted to ask you folks if
anyone had experienced or heard of any issues or app breakage caused
by upgrading to Mac OS 10.12 Sierra?

I use an older Lightroom, 4.4. Also older Photoshop CS5 (12.0.4).

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Dave's workflow dilemma reminded me I wanted to ask you folks if
anyone had experienced or heard of any issues or app breakage caused
by upgrading to Mac OS 10.12 Sierra?

I use an older Lightroom, 4.4. Also older Photoshop CS5 (12.0.4).

Thanks!

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Re: PESO - Colorful

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It works for me, Igor. The child's smile adds humour to the dramatic look of it.


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>
> http://42graphy.org/misc/Colorful_IR34606.jpg
>
> I like the juxtaposition, but I am biased on several levels.
> I am curious if this photo works for others.
>
> All comments and critique are welcome!
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Re: OT work flow

[David J Brooks]

also forgot using LR 4.1

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 2:18 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> I will try that Igor but in recent attempts the newer DNG conversion
> program is not supported by 10.6.8, however i will try again.
>
> As far as shootoing jpg i have the filter set for a red filter B and
> RAW so i can have B*W and colour should i need it. I guess thats where
> i'm messing up some what then.:??
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> I understand your fear... ;-)
>>
>> This path your are using defeats the purpose of shooting RAW. in that case,
>> as Cotty has suggested, - just shoot JPEGs.
>>
>> If you want to benefit from the RAW while using LR, you might consider using
>> a DNG converter from Adobe.
>> So, your work flow would be:
>> 1. Convert RAF to DNG (that's a batch conversion, so it is easy).
>> 2. Open DNG in LR.
>>
>> Two things to pay attention to:
>> 1. Choose the version of DNG converter that supports your RAF version.
>> (Usually the latest does.)
>> 2. For the output, choose the option under "Compatibility" that would be
>> compatible with your version of LR.
>> (Just in case, for other options: You probably don't want to "Embed Original
>> Raw File, and you probably don't want to use "Lossy Compression")
>> Typically (at least on Windows), the options seem to be preserved, so you
>> don't have to choose them each time.
>>
>>
>> You can download the DNG converter either directly from the ftp site
>> (using your web-browser):
>> ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/dng/
>> Choose "Win" or "Mac" folder in there, and download the latest version.
>>
>> Or from this page:
>> Windows:
>> https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106=Windows
>> Mac:
>> https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106=Mac
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Igor
>>
>>
>>
>>  David J Brooks Mon, 17 Oct 2016 07:46:35 -0700 wrote:
>>
>>> Due to my resistance to upgrade my OS i am having to resort to using
>>> Silky Pix to work on my RAF files from the X30. Its a pain system but
>>> for doing a few shots its ok. However this last week i was up north
>>> doing fall colours and some ATVing and have 120 to process. I started
>>> to save the RAF files as Tiff's but they are 36mb each so i batched
>>> saved them all as jpg to open in LR a program i am more at ease with.
>>> Any other suggestions on this other than up grade Brooksie.:-)
>>
>>
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PESO - Colorful

[Igor PDML-StR]

http://42graphy.org/misc/Colorful_IR34606.jpg

I like the juxtaposition, but I am biased on several levels.
I am curious if this photo works for others.

All comments and critique are welcome!

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Re: OT work flow

[David J Brooks]

I will try that Igor but in recent attempts the newer DNG conversion
program is not supported by 10.6.8, however i will try again.

As far as shootoing jpg i have the filter set for a red filter B and
RAW so i can have B*W and colour should i need it. I guess thats where
i'm messing up some what then.:??


On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> I understand your fear... ;-)
>
> This path your are using defeats the purpose of shooting RAW. in that case,
> as Cotty has suggested, - just shoot JPEGs.
>
> If you want to benefit from the RAW while using LR, you might consider using
> a DNG converter from Adobe.
> So, your work flow would be:
> 1. Convert RAF to DNG (that's a batch conversion, so it is easy).
> 2. Open DNG in LR.
>
> Two things to pay attention to:
> 1. Choose the version of DNG converter that supports your RAF version.
> (Usually the latest does.)
> 2. For the output, choose the option under "Compatibility" that would be
> compatible with your version of LR.
> (Just in case, for other options: You probably don't want to "Embed Original
> Raw File, and you probably don't want to use "Lossy Compression")
> Typically (at least on Windows), the options seem to be preserved, so you
> don't have to choose them each time.
>
>
> You can download the DNG converter either directly from the ftp site
> (using your web-browser):
> ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/dng/
> Choose "Win" or "Mac" folder in there, and download the latest version.
>
> Or from this page:
> Windows:
> https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106=Windows
> Mac:
> https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106=Mac
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Igor
>
>
>
>  David J Brooks Mon, 17 Oct 2016 07:46:35 -0700 wrote:
>
>> Due to my resistance to upgrade my OS i am having to resort to using
>> Silky Pix to work on my RAF files from the X30. Its a pain system but
>> for doing a few shots its ok. However this last week i was up north
>> doing fall colours and some ATVing and have 120 to process. I started
>> to save the RAF files as Tiff's but they are 36mb each so i batched
>> saved them all as jpg to open in LR a program i am more at ease with.
>> Any other suggestions on this other than up grade Brooksie.:-)
>
>
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Re: OT work flow

[Igor PDML-StR]

Dave,

I understand your fear... ;-)

This path your are using defeats the purpose of shooting RAW. in that 
case, as Cotty has suggested, - just shoot JPEGs.


If you want to benefit from the RAW while using LR, you might consider 
using a DNG converter from Adobe.

So, your work flow would be:
1. Convert RAF to DNG (that's a batch conversion, so it is easy).
2. Open DNG in LR.

Two things to pay attention to:
1. Choose the version of DNG converter that supports your RAF version.
(Usually the latest does.)
2. For the output, choose the option under "Compatibility" that would be 
compatible with your version of LR.
(Just in case, for other options: You probably don't want to "Embed 
Original Raw File, and you probably don't want to use "Lossy Compression")
Typically (at least on Windows), the options seem to be preserved, so you 
don't have to choose them each time.



You can download the DNG converter either directly from the ftp site
(using your web-browser):
ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/dng/
Choose "Win" or "Mac" folder in there, and download the latest version.

Or from this page:
Windows:
https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106=Windows
Mac:
https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106=Mac


Hope this helps,

Igor



 David J Brooks Mon, 17 Oct 2016 07:46:35 -0700 wrote:


Due to my resistance to upgrade my OS i am having to resort to using
Silky Pix to work on my RAF files from the X30. Its a pain system but
for doing a few shots its ok. However this last week i was up north
doing fall colours and some ATVing and have 120 to process. I started
to save the RAF files as Tiff's but they are 36mb each so i batched
saved them all as jpg to open in LR a program i am more at ease with.
Any other suggestions on this other than up grade Brooksie.:-)



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Re: Mean Old Frisco Blues

[Larry Colen]

ann sanfedele wrote:

You clearly can have a career in event photography, Larry - you have the
lighting and timing nailed at this point...


Thanks Ann.  If only dance events actually had the money to pay. It's 
nice that they are now contacting me ahead of time and offering me 
discounts off my registration, at least from the "it's nice to be 
appreciated" point of view.


Apart from the musicians and the instructors, these events tend to be 
all volunteer with even the local dancers providing housing for people 
from out of town.  I mostly do the photography as a way of giving back 
to the community.


I can't claim much credit on the lighting, that is what was there. The 
LED lights were nice in some ways, but they really have their own sets 
of challenges.  It helps that the room was reasonably bright anyways.




To me it would be as much torture as shooting a wedding.


There's a big difference, I'd go to this event if I wasn't photographing 
it.  I'll admit that I didn't get as many photos on Sunday night because 
the band was so good I didn't want to spend as much time shooting rather 
than dancing.


ann


On 10/17/2016 3:21 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

A week ago I was at a dance workshop called the Mean Old Frisco Blues,
which happens to also be the name of a song. The music was excellent,
they started out with one of my favorite bands for dancing, and each
night the musice was even better than the last.

First some PESOs

Amethyst was a backup singer for Quinn Deveaux
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30082501340/in/album-72157675219453506/


404
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29748843454/in/album-72157675219453506/


Roy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30379539825/in/album-72157675219453506/


Dr. Feelgood
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30293494711/in/album-72157675219453506/


More Bathrooms
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30343897526/in/album-72157675219453506/



The full set
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157675219453506

It might be easier to look at using the flickriver front end
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157675219453506

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Re: OT work flow

[Steve Cottrell]

On 17/10/16, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Due to my resistance to upgrade my OS i am having to resort to using
>Silky Pix to work on my RAF files from the X30. Its a pain system but
>for doing a few shots its ok. However this last week i was up north
>doing fall colours and some ATVing and have 120 to process. I started
>to save the RAF files as Tiff's but they are 36mb each so i batched
>saved them all as jpg to open in LR a program i am more at ease with.
>Any other suggestions on this other than up grade Brooksie.:-)

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Re: Mean Old Frisco Blues

[Marco Alpert]

Me too.

m

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:29 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> 
> Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> Dr. Feelgood
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30293494711/in/album-7215767521945350
> 6/
> 
> They all capture the mood Larry, but I particularly like this one.
> 
> Malcolm
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Re: Mean Old Frisco Blues

[ann sanfedele]

You clearly can have a career in event photography, Larry - you have the 
lighting and timing nailed at this point...


To me it would be as much torture as shooting a wedding.

ann


On 10/17/2016 3:21 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
A week ago I was at a dance workshop called the Mean Old Frisco Blues, 
which happens to also be the name of a song.  The music was excellent, 
they started out with one of my favorite bands for dancing, and each 
night the musice was even better than the last.


First some PESOs

Amethyst was a backup singer for Quinn Deveaux
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30082501340/in/album-72157675219453506/ 



404
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29748843454/in/album-72157675219453506/ 



Roy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30379539825/in/album-72157675219453506/ 



Dr. Feelgood
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30293494711/in/album-72157675219453506/ 



More Bathrooms
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30343897526/in/album-72157675219453506/ 




The full set
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157675219453506

It might be easier to look at using the flickriver front end
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157675219453506

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Re: OT work flow

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> What is your resistance to upgrading your system to latest OS? Is it a 
> hardware compatibility issue or ?
>
> Presuming you have compatible hardware, there's no real negative to upgrading 
> macOS to the latest version.

Fear mostly a lot of my old stand by programs will not work, or so i'm
told and woul dhave to upgrade several, which i am aware needs to be
done. But fear mostly



Dave
>
> G
>
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:44 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>>
>> Due to my resistance to upgrade my OS i am having to resort to using
>> Silky Pix to work on my RAF files from the X30. Its a pain system but
>> for doing a few shots its ok. However this last week i was up north
>> doing fall colours and some ATVing and have 120 to process. I started
>> to save the RAF files as Tiff's but they are 36mb each so i batched
>> saved them all as jpg to open in LR a program i am more at ease with.
>> Any other suggestions on this other than up grade Brooksie.:-)
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Re: OT work flow

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

What is your resistance to upgrading your system to latest OS? Is it a hardware 
compatibility issue or ?

Presuming you have compatible hardware, there's no real negative to upgrading 
macOS to the latest version. 

G

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 7:44 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> Due to my resistance to upgrade my OS i am having to resort to using
> Silky Pix to work on my RAF files from the X30. Its a pain system but
> for doing a few shots its ok. However this last week i was up north
> doing fall colours and some ATVing and have 120 to process. I started
> to save the RAF files as Tiff's but they are 36mb each so i batched
> saved them all as jpg to open in LR a program i am more at ease with.
> Any other suggestions on this other than up grade Brooksie.:-)

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OT work flow

[David J Brooks]

Due to my resistance to upgrade my OS i am having to resort to using
Silky Pix to work on my RAF files from the X30. Its a pain system but
for doing a few shots its ok. However this last week i was up north
doing fall colours and some ATVing and have 120 to process. I started
to save the RAF files as Tiff's but they are 36mb each so i batched
saved them all as jpg to open in LR a program i am more at ease with.
Any other suggestions on this other than up grade Brooksie.:-)

Dave

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Re: metz 58-af2 with K-1

[mike wilson]

> On 17 October 2016 at 05:57 Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> P.J. Alling wrote:
> > Larry, I downloaded the software from Metz to see what was inside it.
> > The Exe file on the site is a self extracting archive. Inside is the
> > actual driver updates and software to install them. I tried to read the
> > instructions to figure out if you could manually push them to your
> > flash, but unfortunately the instructions for the installation itself
> > are in German. Strangely the instructions to remove the installer from
> > your system when you're done with them are in English. I get the feeling
> > that Metz is a pretty schizophrenic corporation. My German is so rusty
> > that it's damn near nonexistent.
> 
> The good news is that I have upgraded my flash firmware.
> 
> Nicole has a windows 10 laptop for her in car data acquisition system. I 
> was, eventually, able to figure out how to do things enough to 
> accomplish the task. Windows 10 is not trivially intuitive. The Metz 
> upgrade software is not much better. I would also think that a company 
> the size of Metz would have at least one native English speaker that 
> they could ask to peruse the documentation so that the English comes out 
> better than had they just run it through google translate. Seriously, it 
> was bad. If you want people to associate you with quality, just spend 
> the money to have someone proofread your documentation in the target 
> language.

Just go one step up the directories in the link you provided to here:
http://www.metz-mecatech.de/en/lighting/firmware-download-flash-units/mecablitz-58-af-2-digital.html
and there are links to eminently followable instructions for both Windows and
MAC.  Not for any flavour of UNIX/Linux, unfortunately.

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RE: Mean Old Frisco Blues

[Malcolm Smith]

Larry Colen wrote:


Dr. Feelgood
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30293494711/in/album-7215767521945350
6/

They all capture the mood Larry, but I particularly like this one.

Malcolm


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Re: metz 58-af2 with K-1

[Jos from Holland]

Larry, thank you very much for this warning.
K1 sensor sees so well in the dark, I did not use my 58AF2 yet.

Greetz, Jos

On 17-Oct-16 02:16, Larry Colen wrote:
My metz flash would not work in p-ttl with the K-1.  It turns out that 
it needs a software upgrade:
http://www.metz-mecatech.de/en/lighting/firmware-download-flash-units/mecablitz-58-af-2-digital/pentax.html 



Just so that other people don't find this out in the middle of a shoot 
like I did.






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Mean Old Frisco Blues

[Larry Colen]

A week ago I was at a dance workshop called the Mean Old Frisco Blues, 
which happens to also be the name of a song.  The music was excellent, 
they started out with one of my favorite bands for dancing, and each 
night the musice was even better than the last.


First some PESOs

Amethyst was a backup singer for Quinn Deveaux
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30082501340/in/album-72157675219453506/

404
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/29748843454/in/album-72157675219453506/

Roy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30379539825/in/album-72157675219453506/

Dr. Feelgood
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30293494711/in/album-72157675219453506/

More Bathrooms
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/30343897526/in/album-72157675219453506/


The full set
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157675219453506

It might be easier to look at using the flickriver front end
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157675219453506

Comments and suggestions always welcome.
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Re: PESO: A PDML portrait from Liverpool

[Chris Mitchell]

Nice one Mark. Thanks!

Chris

On 16 October 2016 at 18:34, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Chris Mitchell:
> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/chrism.jpg
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