Re: OT Newspaper men used to dream of flatulence jokes...

[mike wilson]

> On 12 April 2017 at 13:25 "P. J. Alling"  wrote:
> 
> 
> Now we have the internet...
> 
> http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/11/hubble-just-spotted-something-massive-coming-out-of-uranus-6567896/

Nearly, but not quite, as good as.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-39528479

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Re: Epson P600?

[Paul Stenquist]

Congratulations. Sound good. My 2880 is still humming along, but I think Ill 
eventually go for a P800. Would like to make some 16x 20 prints.

Paul via phone

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 12:27 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> My P600 arrived today!
> 
> It’s true—the black and white prints do pop—as do the color.  I printed both 
> color and black and white on the Epson metallic glossy paper, and it really 
> looks nice.  I just finished printing some black and white Velvet Fine Art in 
> both letter and 13 x 19 inch paper.  Very nice.
> 
> As to loading paper:  It’s BETTER!  Yea  While there are a few extra 
> steps, these steps are so inconsequential.  Once you pop out the front manual 
> loading tray (not a problem to do), I think loading the paper flat and 
> guiding it through is less anxiety ridden than the other process on the 
> R2880—easier to get the alignment right.  In the 6 prints I just made, I did 
> get one “paper askew” notification, but that was due to user error.
> 
> I also set up the wireless printing with AirPrint on my iPad Air.  
> Easy-peasy!  I printed a flyer I made using Pages and had saved as a JPEG.  I 
> wasn’t expecting the color to be that great—but I was wrong:  the color is 
> very true and really pops. I printed it from the Photos app, and I printed it 
> on some premium matte paper.  The set-up was a breeze.  I was expecting 
> complications, but there were none.
> 
> I may have mentioned that they painted my office, and I have been doing some 
> serious printing and framing of my work on my office walls.  The dedicated 
> color wall is moving along nicely, but I only have two large prints on my 
> dedicated black and white wall.  The progress is slower here because a) I’ve 
> been thinking that I want to shoot some new stuff specifically for the B/W 
> wall and b) I knew I was seriously thinking of getting the P600 (provided I 
> got some good PDML reviews, which I did) and wanted to wait for better 
> prints.  Well, now that the printer has arrived, I will probably reprint the 
> two prints already on the wall and replace.
> 
> I really like the quality of the B/W on the Epson Metallic Glossy paper, so I 
> may do more printing with this paper.
> 
> For Mac users, you have to download all the driver stuff from the Epson web 
> page.  Immediately after, I checked for any updates, and those appeared and I 
> updated immediately.  When I opened Lightroom (most current version on the 
> iMac (non Creative Cloud)), everything was right were it should be, and I 
> went through all my usual selections.  I have the Creative Cloud version of 
> Lightroom, Adobe InDesign et al on my MacBook Pro w/Retina.  I haven’t set up 
> the P600 on that yet, but will do soon.
> 
> The only real problem now is space in my home study.  The p600 now sits on 
> the only flat work space I had.  This would change if I got rid of the R2880, 
> but I’m not willing to do that—at least for now.  More to the point, I’ve 
> been thinking a lot about my so-called creative space:  right now it’s just 
> filled with a jumble of stuff.  It’s a mess.  I may have to take some time to 
> rethink my creative space, so it’s more pleasurable to work in—more 
> efficient.  Easier to think about, but much harder to reconfigure!
> 
> So, I recommend the P600—and I’m looking forward to trying some of the hot & 
> cold press papers.  Oh, and I love that I just had to press a button to 
> switch to the matte black cartridge.  Gosh, I hated switching out cartridges 
> on the R2880.  The actual switching out wasn’t a big deal, but waiting for it 
> to register, so you could choose the appropriate paper was often frustrating. 
>  Life is better!
> 
> Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 9, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Stanley Halpin  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Note that there is a Rebate ($150) and a trade-up discount ($50) in effect 
>> 1-30 April 2017…
>> 
>> E.g., see, 
>> http://atlex.itsuppliesinc.netdna-cdn.com/media/pdf/rebate/TradeUpP400,600,800April2017MIR.pdf
>> 
>> I recently uncovered and started up my 2880 after a very long period of 
>> inactivity. Had the expected multiple passes to clean the heads, 3-4 inks 
>> needed replacing. But what bugs me is that the paper feed is working very 
>> sporadically. A true pain. Based on this thread, I did a quick google on 
>> P600, found one review that was very positive except for paper feed problems 
>> ( with certain papers). Makes me wonder though if I shouldn’t just struggle 
>> through rather than upgrading. But Godfrey’s note is encouraging... I will 
>> be interested to hear your experience.
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think I’m going to order the p600 in the next few days.  My R2880 is 
>>> running really wonky.  Cheers, Christine
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
 
 Hi 

Re: Epson P600?

[Christine Aguila]

My P600 arrived today!

It’s true—the black and white prints do pop—as do the color.  I printed both 
color and black and white on the Epson metallic glossy paper, and it really 
looks nice.  I just finished printing some black and white Velvet Fine Art in 
both letter and 13 x 19 inch paper.  Very nice.

As to loading paper:  It’s BETTER!  Yea  While there are a few extra steps, 
these steps are so inconsequential.  Once you pop out the front manual loading 
tray (not a problem to do), I think loading the paper flat and guiding it 
through is less anxiety ridden than the other process on the R2880—easier to 
get the alignment right.  In the 6 prints I just made, I did get one “paper 
askew” notification, but that was due to user error.

I also set up the wireless printing with AirPrint on my iPad Air.  Easy-peasy!  
I printed a flyer I made using Pages and had saved as a JPEG.  I wasn’t 
expecting the color to be that great—but I was wrong:  the color is very true 
and really pops. I printed it from the Photos app, and I printed it on some 
premium matte paper.  The set-up was a breeze.  I was expecting complications, 
but there were none.

I may have mentioned that they painted my office, and I have been doing some 
serious printing and framing of my work on my office walls.  The dedicated 
color wall is moving along nicely, but I only have two large prints on my 
dedicated black and white wall.  The progress is slower here because a) I’ve 
been thinking that I want to shoot some new stuff specifically for the B/W wall 
and b) I knew I was seriously thinking of getting the P600 (provided I got some 
good PDML reviews, which I did) and wanted to wait for better prints.  Well, 
now that the printer has arrived, I will probably reprint the two prints 
already on the wall and replace.

I really like the quality of the B/W on the Epson Metallic Glossy paper, so I 
may do more printing with this paper.

For Mac users, you have to download all the driver stuff from the Epson web 
page.  Immediately after, I checked for any updates, and those appeared and I 
updated immediately.  When I opened Lightroom (most current version on the iMac 
(non Creative Cloud)), everything was right were it should be, and I went 
through all my usual selections.  I have the Creative Cloud version of 
Lightroom, Adobe InDesign et al on my MacBook Pro w/Retina.  I haven’t set up 
the P600 on that yet, but will do soon.

The only real problem now is space in my home study.  The p600 now sits on the 
only flat work space I had.  This would change if I got rid of the R2880, but 
I’m not willing to do that—at least for now.  More to the point, I’ve been 
thinking a lot about my so-called creative space:  right now it’s just filled 
with a jumble of stuff.  It’s a mess.  I may have to take some time to rethink 
my creative space, so it’s more pleasurable to work in—more efficient.  Easier 
to think about, but much harder to reconfigure!

So, I recommend the P600—and I’m looking forward to trying some of the hot & 
cold press papers.  Oh, and I love that I just had to press a button to switch 
to the matte black cartridge.  Gosh, I hated switching out cartridges on the 
R2880.  The actual switching out wasn’t a big deal, but waiting for it to 
register, so you could choose the appropriate paper was often frustrating.  
Life is better!

Cheers, Christine






> On Apr 9, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> Note that there is a Rebate ($150) and a trade-up discount ($50) in effect 
> 1-30 April 2017…
> 
> E.g., see, 
> http://atlex.itsuppliesinc.netdna-cdn.com/media/pdf/rebate/TradeUpP400,600,800April2017MIR.pdf
> 
> I recently uncovered and started up my 2880 after a very long period of 
> inactivity. Had the expected multiple passes to clean the heads, 3-4 inks 
> needed replacing. But what bugs me is that the paper feed is working very 
> sporadically. A true pain. Based on this thread, I did a quick google on 
> P600, found one review that was very positive except for paper feed problems 
> ( with certain papers). Makes me wonder though if I shouldn’t just struggle 
> through rather than upgrading. But Godfrey’s note is encouraging... I will be 
> interested to hear your experience.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 7:30 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I’m going to order the p600 in the next few days.  My R2880 is 
>> running really wonky.  Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Christine, 
>>> 
>>> I've been using the P600 for a year and a half. Highly recommended. The 
>>> improved paper feed system over the R2400/R2880 is one of the truly great 
>>> things about it. Compared to the R2400/R2880, it's got better blacks, 
>>> better brilliance, and just does a better job. 
>>> 
>>> I don't recommend trying to refill the ink tanks. You can't get the Epson 
>>> inks for refilling 

RE: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[John Coyle]

I've owned Pentax cameras (with one exception) since 1968, and have never had 
cause to complain. 
Like all mechanical or electronic items, they can break and need repairs, but 
I've only once had to
send a Pentax camera in for repair!  I expect to be using my current crop 
(MZ-S, *ist-d, K5ii-s, SV
and a couple of other older models) until hell freezes over.  I'll be sorry if 
Ricoh do drop out,
they've done some good stuff in the last few years - BUT, they do need to 
market!

The fact is at my age my Pentax kit will probably outlast me, so I'm good to go!


John in Brisbane

 

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On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 09:36:30PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> Bipin Gupta wrote:
> > This came in today to my Inbox:
> > 
> > http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on
> > -personal-camera-business
> > 
> > The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
> 
> Well that could really and truly suck.

I doubt if it will affect me much, if at all.

I anticipate buying at most one more traditional DSLR - I don't feel tempted by 
the K1, but might be
interested if there was a follow-up APS-C model with most of the improvements 
from the K1 (and, no
doubt, a few more as well).

If that doesn't materialise I'll probably either stick with what I have today 
or switch over to
Olympus; the EPL1 has served me well over the years, but is several generations 
behind in sensor
technology (though still good enough for casual everyday use ).

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RE: Endgame for cameras...

[John Coyle]

The whole proposition falls apart for people like me who under-share!


John in Brisbane



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Subject: Endgame for cameras...

This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t was 
worth it...

The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
http://news360.com/article/398182387

Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.

You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small 
camera inside the cell
phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.

Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. People 
look at the photos on
their cell phone screen and there cell phone cameras rein supreme...

Just my pixels.

Boris
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Re: Possible Pentax sighting

[John Francis]

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 03:30:17PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> P. J. Alling wrote:
> > IT looks like the mirror image of a Pentax lens, so either they did
> > something stupid in post production, or there's a manufacturer who used
> > and exact mirror image for their bayonet lens mount.
> 
> Nikon?
> 
> The actual mounting damn near works, but it goes on backwards.


Doesn't look like a mirror image to me!

Here's a frame grab from the Time Team episode:

http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/LensMount1.jpg

and here's the back of my F50mm/f1.7:

http://panix.com/~johnf/temp/LensMount2.jpg



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Re: new appreciation

[John Sessoms]

I heard a promo for Dana-Farber on an NPR program I was listening to a
couple of days ago.

On 4/11/2017 16:40, Mark Roberts wrote:

By the way, I just had a meeting this afternoon with Irini Albanti
from the Global Health Initiative this afternoon. She's sent me some
material on the activities they've been involved with in the past year
so I should be able to get the book finished up by weekend. keep yer
fingers crossed.




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Re: Possible Pentax sighting

[Brian Walters]

Bummer.  Blocked in Oz due to copyright issues.  But I love "Time Team",
even if Baldrick does get a bit hyperactive at times


Cheers

Brian

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http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017, at 07:44 AM, John Francis wrote:
> 
> I was just watching Time Team S17-E11 (Litlington, Cambridgeshire)
> [available on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgN1GIT5Us]
> and I have a possible Pentax sighting.
> At 3:26, one of the archaeologists is using a reversed lens as a loupe,
> and to me it looks very much like a fairly large-aperture K-mount!
> The position of the red dot, bayonet mounts, aperture lever, etc.
> seem to match what I see on the back of my lenses, and what I can
> see of the aperture ring looks about right, too.
> 
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[Mark C]

FWIW - Ricoh seems to deny the rumor:

http://www.ricoh.com/info/2017/0412_1.html


On 4/12/2017 12:23 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

This came in today to my Inbox:

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business

The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??

Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
some existing
Camera Manufacturer.

God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.

Regards.
Bipin

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Re: Possible Pentax sighting

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote:

IT looks like the mirror image of a Pentax lens, so either they did
something stupid in post production, or there's a manufacturer who used
and exact mirror image for their bayonet lens mount.


Nikon?

The actual mounting damn near works, but it goes on backwards.





On 4/12/2017 5:44 PM, John Francis wrote:

I was just watching Time Team S17-E11 (Litlington, Cambridgeshire)
[available on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgN1GIT5Us]
and I have a possible Pentax sighting.
At 3:26, one of the archaeologists is using a reversed lens as a loupe,
and to me it looks very much like a fairly large-aperture K-mount!
The position of the red dot, bayonet mounts, aperture lever, etc.
seem to match what I see on the back of my lenses, and what I can
see of the aperture ring looks about right, too.








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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[P. J. Alling]

Who knows, Japanese companies are notoriously cagey about such things.

I expect that they make the most money on the higher sales price items.  
The problem is Ricoh needs to produce an entry level camera that's good 
enough to hook users and lure them into higher profit upgrades.


I suspect that they actually sold more K-5 cameras including K-5II and 
K-5IIs cameras than they actually sold K-500 cameras.


In point of fact, the K-P looks like an entry level camera in a lot of 
respects disguised as a flagship APS-C camera.
Fit finish and materials are probably up to K-3 levels, while the actual 
working hardware is actually derived from the K-70.


Start it at a K-3 price grab back as much development cost as possible 
from early adopters then let the price drop to entry level.  That could 
actually work if the camera feels like a pro level camera.


I must say that's one of the things I like about the K-5II.  It's one of 
the most professional feeling cameras I've held in it's class.


On 4/12/2017 6:07 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
The article makes me think Ricoh is downsizing, but not getting out of 
the

camera business completely.

Which camera lines does Ricoh make the most money on? Which lines the 
least?


On 4/12/2017 16:26, P. J. Alling wrote:

Ricoh is probably not still building K-3II cameras but they are still
officially in production.  Even with Ricoh owning the Pentax name,
Pentax was and is a small player and I doubt that they can build more
than two different models at the same time.  The K-1 and K-P are
currently being built.  The K-3 III, or something, will be produced when
there are either enough of the previous two models built to satisfy
expected demand until their planned replacement is released of Ricoh
decides to leave the Camera business again...  But we /know/ there will
be a K-3 replacement and the K-P isn't it.  They promised.

On 4/12/2017 2:04 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin:

I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers
need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases
production?


Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera
production without any advance warning and without stocking a single
spare part. They wouldn't even have been able to do warranty repairs.

Maybe I could have sued them but I sold everything and came out with
no more than a black eye, financially.

Considering that I've bought a few new lenses not too long ago, my
Pentax DSLRs all developed problems after about 4 years and my K-3 is
from 2014, I'm thinking about buying another Pentax DSLR as long as
they're available and service is still assured, to be on the safe side.

Is the K-3II still in production? Or should I go for a KP?

Ralf









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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[John Sessoms]

You make that sound like it's a bad thing.

On 4/12/2017 13:09, Gonz wrote:

Exactly!  No camera, so I guess the software has to imagine what you look like!


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:58 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

With your mind...


On 4/12/2017 12:32 PM, Gonz wrote:


The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then
insert your image into the fake image when "taking" the picture.
Question is, how the hell do you take selfies?


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:


In essence, your phone would identify where you are and send you and
image
of a postcard of that scene.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Boris Liberman 
wrote:


This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app
thought t
was worth it...

The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
http://news360.com/article/398182387

Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.

You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a
small
camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.

Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete.
People
look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone
cameras
rein supreme...

Just my pixels.

Boris
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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[John Sessoms]

They're touting "Content Aware Fill" from Photoshop CS4.

My experience with "content aware fill" has been that it doesn't work as
well as the video suggests.

On 4/12/2017 10:58, Gonz wrote:

Wow, that article is about close to the dumbest I've ever read, lol.


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t
was worth it...

The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
http://news360.com/article/398182387

Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.

You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small
camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.

Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. People
look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone cameras
rein supreme...

Just my pixels.

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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[John Sessoms]

The article makes me think Ricoh is downsizing, but not getting out of the
camera business completely.

Which camera lines does Ricoh make the most money on? Which lines the least?

On 4/12/2017 16:26, P. J. Alling wrote:

Ricoh is probably not still building K-3II cameras but they are still
officially in production.  Even with Ricoh owning the Pentax name,
Pentax was and is a small player and I doubt that they can build more
than two different models at the same time.  The K-1 and K-P are
currently being built.  The K-3 III, or something, will be produced when
there are either enough of the previous two models built to satisfy
expected demand until their planned replacement is released of Ricoh
decides to leave the Camera business again...  But we /know/ there will
be a K-3 replacement and the K-P isn't it.  They promised.

On 4/12/2017 2:04 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin:

I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers
need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases
production?


Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera
production without any advance warning and without stocking a single
spare part. They wouldn't even have been able to do warranty repairs.

Maybe I could have sued them but I sold everything and came out with
no more than a black eye, financially.

Considering that I've bought a few new lenses not too long ago, my
Pentax DSLRs all developed problems after about 4 years and my K-3 is
from 2014, I'm thinking about buying another Pentax DSLR as long as
they're available and service is still assured, to be on the safe side.

Is the K-3II still in production? Or should I go for a KP?

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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[John Sessoms]

Everyone discriminates against poor old farts!

On 4/12/2017 12:41, Alan C wrote:

Someone always discriminates against poor old farts.

Alan C

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There will always be demand, the question is what will be the steady
state demand?  And at that demand rate, what will be the price?  If
the scale is much smaller, then the prices will be much higher to
justify the lines and design efforts.  The hobby may end up being
relegated to rich old farts...


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:07 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

NIkon is cutting back too.

Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of the
19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's too
big
to know it's dead yet.

Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have
reached
the level of sufficiency for pretty much every segment of the market.

12 to 16mp serves for most serious amateurs and even many professionals.
Almost no one needs more than that, and those who actually do /need/ that
kind of resolution aren't enough to sustain the mass market, they buy
Phase
1 backs for their medium format cameras.  and pass on the costs to their
clients.

For everyday use the camera in the average Cell phone is good enough
so the
market for stand alone P cameras is dead.

The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than
good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and
anyone
who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably
doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second,
damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun.

That's the state of the current camera industry.

Most people already have the camera they perceive that they need.
Which is
why the market for advanced cameras is contracting.

I mean really, look at this list, how many of us are still using K-5
family,
or earlier, cameras.  I mean sure a K-3 would be a small boost in
frame rate
a bit improved AF, and actually a significant boost in resolution, at
very
little cost in image noise, but I don't covet it, and a used K-3 sells
for
not much more than a used K-5II.

More importantly we're not the typical user base, we're more likely to
want
the latest and greatest.  Most people don't need that and aren't
willing to
shell out hard earned money for incremental improvements.




On 4/12/2017 11:01 AM, Gonz wrote:


Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your
equipment loses value steadily?  If the sky truly is falling, then
maybe its time to sell all and start over.  Maybe Nikon will buy the
patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a
valuable technology.


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:


Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare
parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out?
If the
latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run
items
from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various
EU and
other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year
supply of
spare parts after an item ceases production?

Not panicked yet…

stan


On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts
department might be in a bind...


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:


Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh  turns out the
lights.

Paul via phone


On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses


On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta 
wrote:
This came in today to my Inbox:


http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business


The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??

Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger
with
some existing
Camera Manufacturer.

God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the
waves.

Regards.
Bipin

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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[John Sessoms]

On 4/12/2017 10:55, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Not panicked yet…

stan



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Re: Possible Pentax sighting

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IT looks like the mirror image of a Pentax lens, so either they did 
something stupid in post production, or there's a manufacturer who used 
and exact mirror image for their bayonet lens mount.



On 4/12/2017 5:44 PM, John Francis wrote:

I was just watching Time Team S17-E11 (Litlington, Cambridgeshire)
[available on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgN1GIT5Us]
and I have a possible Pentax sighting.
At 3:26, one of the archaeologists is using a reversed lens as a loupe,
and to me it looks very much like a fairly large-aperture K-mount!
The position of the red dot, bayonet mounts, aperture lever, etc.
seem to match what I see on the back of my lenses, and what I can
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Possible Pentax sighting

[John Francis]

I was just watching Time Team S17-E11 (Litlington, Cambridgeshire)
[available on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgN1GIT5Us]
and I have a possible Pentax sighting.
At 3:26, one of the archaeologists is using a reversed lens as a loupe,
and to me it looks very much like a fairly large-aperture K-mount!
The position of the red dot, bayonet mounts, aperture lever, etc.
seem to match what I see on the back of my lenses, and what I can
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> NIkon is cutting back too.
>

>
> The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than
> good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and anyone
> who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably
> doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second,
> damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun.
>

I've said that for years. My 2.74 cameras still produce the same good
quality 8x10 as back in 2001. I'm happy with 10-12 odd mp. I guess
holding onto my other system, Nikon may be a blessing in the future.
We did have the manager of the local Henrys big camera store talk at
one camera club meeting and he mentioned that they felt camera sales
were down a lot due to iphones etc but lens sales were holding their
own.

Dave

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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[P. J. Alling]

Ricoh is probably not still building K-3II cameras but they are still 
officially in production.  Even with Ricoh owning the Pentax name, 
Pentax was and is a small player and I doubt that they can build more 
than two different models at the same time.  The K-1 and K-P are 
currently being built.  The K-3 III, or something, will be produced when 
there are either enough of the previous two models built to satisfy 
expected demand until their planned replacement is released of Ricoh 
decides to leave the Camera business again...  But we /know/ there will 
be a K-3 replacement and the K-P isn't it.  They promised.


On 4/12/2017 2:04 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin:
I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers 
need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases 
production?


Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera 
production without any advance warning and without stocking a single 
spare part. They wouldn't even have been able to do warranty repairs.


Maybe I could have sued them but I sold everything and came out with 
no more than a black eye, financially.


Considering that I've bought a few new lenses not too long ago, my 
Pentax DSLRs all developed problems after about 4 years and my K-3 is 
from 2014, I'm thinking about buying another Pentax DSLR as long as 
they're available and service is still assured, to be on the safe side.


Is the K-3II still in production? Or should I go for a KP?

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Re: Decontamination

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When I see a sickly looking impala, there is usually rust involved.

On April 12, 2017 9:39:52 AM PDT, Alan C  wrote:
>Thanks, Dan.
>
>You made my day.
>
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>Well seen and captured, Alan.
>
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>
>> A sickly looking, tick infested Impala Ewe besieged by 6 Red-billed
>> Oxpeckers.
>> Scroll right to see a healthy Impala Ram. Both at Sable Dam, Kruger
>Park
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/33801114661/
>>
>> K7 with the Sigma 170-500, 1/2000, f9,5. Both at about 40m.
>>
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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Larry]

On April 12, 2017 10:55:01 AM PDT, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>Google can remember it for you wholesale.
>
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Can_Remember_It_for_You_Wholesale

Doing it that way would be a Dick move.

>
>On 12 Apr 2017, at 17:33, Gonz
>> wrote:
>
>The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then
>insert your image into the fake image when "taking" the picture.
>Question is, how the hell do you take selfies?
>
>The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
>http://news360.com/article/398182387
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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I know where you live.  ;)  No worries, I'll leave the K-1 and some
wonderful glass behind.


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> Dream on!
>
>> On 12 Apr 2017, at 19:49, Gonz  wrote:
>>
>> I'll just take all your Leica gear, much easier.
>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> You'll just have give it back and let them keep the money.
>>>
 On 12 Apr 2017, at 14:56, Gonz  wrote:

 Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses

> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> This came in today to my Inbox:
>
> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
>
> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
>
> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
> some existing
> Camera Manufacturer.
>
> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.
>
> Regards.
> Bipin
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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Perhaps it was intended to be an April Fools prank but was delayed getting to 
publication…

G

> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that article is about close to the dumbest I've ever read, lol.


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Re: Ricoh responds

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Hmmm, cat's out of the bag, so damage control?  At least there's no
twitterstorm with a Pentax shooter being dragged around and beat up.
Well, not yet.

I wonder whether the K-1 has been profitable.  It certainly sounded
last year that it was a popular enough DSLR.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> I asked Ricoh about this latest sky-is-falling article and they
> responded here ...
>
> <<< Today there was an article saying that RICOH considers to shrink
> the camera business and withdraw from consumer products. This article
> is not based on RICOH's official announcement.
>
> RICOH is focusing its resource on the high added value products such
> as PENTAX and GR that are appreciated by the existing users and photo
> hobbyists. RICOH is also a market leader of input deviceｓ in the VR or
> AR market with its "RICOH THETA" where we can see rapid growth, and
> will keep on expanding the business even more in this field. In
> addition, RICOH will develop and expand the imaging business in the
> solution business field for corporate, by creating new market
> utilizing its own camera technology. >>>
>
> http://www.ricoh.com/info/2017/0412_1.html
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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Dream on!

> On 12 Apr 2017, at 19:49, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> I'll just take all your Leica gear, much easier.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> You'll just have give it back and let them keep the money.
>> 
>>> On 12 Apr 2017, at 14:56, Gonz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses
>>> 
 On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
 This came in today to my Inbox:
 
 http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
 
 The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
 
 Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
 some existing
 Camera Manufacturer.
 
 God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.
 
 Regards.
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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I'll just take all your Leica gear, much easier.

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>
>> On 12 Apr 2017, at 14:56, Gonz  wrote:
>>
>> Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>>> This came in today to my Inbox:
>>>
>>> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
>>>
>>> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
>>>
>>> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
>>> some existing
>>> Camera Manufacturer.
>>>
>>> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Bipin
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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For night photography you want the k1,  For action, find a k3ii

On April 12, 2017 11:04:38 AM PDT, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin:
>> I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers
>need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases
>production?
>
>Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera production
>
>without any advance warning and without stocking a single spare part. 
>They wouldn't even have been able to do warranty repairs.
>
>Maybe I could have sued them but I sold everything and came out with no
>
>more than a black eye, financially.
>
>Considering that I've bought a few new lenses not too long ago, my 
>Pentax DSLRs all developed problems after about 4 years and my K-3 is 
>from 2014, I'm thinking about buying another Pentax DSLR as long as 
>they're available and service is still assured, to be on the safe side.
>
>Is the K-3II still in production? Or should I go for a KP?
>
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 12.04.17 um 16:55 schrieb Stanley Halpin:

I believe various EU and other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to 
have a two year supply of spare parts after an item ceases production?


Noblex (Dresden, Germany, EU) stopped their panoramic camera production 
without any advance warning and without stocking a single spare part. 
They wouldn't even have been able to do warranty repairs.


Maybe I could have sued them but I sold everything and came out with no 
more than a black eye, financially.


Considering that I've bought a few new lenses not too long ago, my 
Pentax DSLRs all developed problems after about 4 years and my K-3 is 
from 2014, I'm thinking about buying another Pentax DSLR as long as 
they're available and service is still assured, to be on the safe side.


Is the K-3II still in production? Or should I go for a KP?

Ralf

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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Bob W-PDML]

Google can remember it for you wholesale.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Can_Remember_It_for_You_Wholesale

On 12 Apr 2017, at 17:33, Gonz 
> wrote:

The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then
insert your image into the fake image when "taking" the picture.
Question is, how the hell do you take selfies?

The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
http://news360.com/article/398182387

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Re: Peso-Poppy Eclipse

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Dan!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> 
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> 
>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Haven't dug this out for awhile, but since it's spring once again..
>> Shot on film while laying on my back allowing the larger upper center
>> poppy to block out the sun. Also, placed a sheet of white photo board
>> on the ground beneath.
>> 
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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You'll just have give it back and let them keep the money.

> On 12 Apr 2017, at 14:56, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>> This came in today to my Inbox:
>> 
>> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
>> 
>> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
>> 
>> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
>> some existing
>> Camera Manufacturer.
>> 
>> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.
>> 
>> Regards.
>> Bipin
>> 
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> On 12 Apr 2017, at 13:26, P. J. Alling  wrote:
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> Now we have the internet...
> 
> http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/11/hubble-just-spotted-something-massive-coming-out-of-uranus-6567896/
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Ricoh responds

[Bruce Walker]

I asked Ricoh about this latest sky-is-falling article and they
responded here ...

<<< Today there was an article saying that RICOH considers to shrink
the camera business and withdraw from consumer products. This article
is not based on RICOH's official announcement.

RICOH is focusing its resource on the high added value products such
as PENTAX and GR that are appreciated by the existing users and photo
hobbyists. RICOH is also a market leader of input deviceｓ in the VR or
AR market with its "RICOH THETA" where we can see rapid growth, and
will keep on expanding the business even more in this field. In
addition, RICOH will develop and expand the imaging business in the
solution business field for corporate, by creating new market
utilizing its own camera technology. >>>

http://www.ricoh.com/info/2017/0412_1.html

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Re: Endgame for cameras...

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Exactly!  No camera, so I guess the software has to imagine what you look like!


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:58 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> With your mind...
>
>
> On 4/12/2017 12:32 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then
>> insert your image into the fake image when "taking" the picture.
>> Question is, how the hell do you take selfies?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> In essence, your phone would identify where you are and send you and
>>> image
>>> of a postcard of that scene.
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Boris Liberman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app
 thought t
 was worth it...

 The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
 http://news360.com/article/398182387

 Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.

 You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a
 small
 camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.

 Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete.
 People
 look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone
 cameras
 rein supreme...

 Just my pixels.

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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[P. J. Alling]

With your mind...

On 4/12/2017 12:32 PM, Gonz wrote:

The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then
insert your image into the fake image when "taking" the picture.
Question is, how the hell do you take selfies?


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:

In essence, your phone would identify where you are and send you and image
of a postcard of that scene.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:


This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t
was worth it...

The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
http://news360.com/article/398182387

Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.

You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small
camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.

Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. People
look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone cameras
rein supreme...

Just my pixels.

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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[P. J. Alling]

True, but with the current situation the biggest competition for the 
newest camera is it's previous generation.


A lot of people who didn't live through the Camera Craze of the 1970s 
when SLR technology made it possible for everyone who wanted one to have 
a semi pro level SLR, at prices that were insanely affordable.


Most of those cameras and lenses were mechanically reliable, and 
optically capable of taking photos as good as the most expensive system 
cameras, in the right hands.


Unfortunately most people who bought them didn't have the right hands.  
It actually took talent and dedication to make good photographs, (who 
knew).


Those cameras ended up in attics, basements and the back shelf of the 
bedroom closet.  For a long time if someone wanted a good semi pro 
camera, they already had a friend or relative willing to unload a pretty 
good SLR cheep.  The camera market crashed and a lot of manufactures 
left the industry, Ricoh being one of the last to give up the ghost 
before the age of Digital Photography.


Now it looks like they /may/, (notice the weasel word), kill the 
original Pentax brand and technology base where before they only killed 
their own take on it.


On 4/12/2017 12:12 PM, Gonz wrote:

There will always be demand, the question is what will be the steady
state demand?  And at that demand rate, what will be the price?  If
the scale is much smaller, then the prices will be much higher to
justify the lines and design efforts.  The hobby may end up being
relegated to rich old farts...


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:07 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

NIkon is cutting back too.

Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of the
19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's too big
to know it's dead yet.

Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have reached
the level of sufficiency for pretty much every segment of the market.

12 to 16mp serves for most serious amateurs and even many professionals.
Almost no one needs more than that, and those who actually do /need/ that
kind of resolution aren't enough to sustain the mass market, they buy Phase
1 backs for their medium format cameras.  and pass on the costs to their
clients.

For everyday use the camera in the average Cell phone is good enough so the
market for stand alone P cameras is dead.

The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than
good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and anyone
who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably
doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second,
damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun.

That's the state of the current camera industry.

Most people already have the camera they perceive that they need.  Which is
why the market for advanced cameras is contracting.

I mean really, look at this list, how many of us are still using K-5 family,
or earlier, cameras.  I mean sure a K-3 would be a small boost in frame rate
a bit improved AF, and actually a significant boost in resolution, at very
little cost in image noise, but I don't covet it, and a used K-3 sells for
not much more than a used K-5II.

More importantly we're not the typical user base, we're more likely to want
the latest and greatest.  Most people don't need that and aren't willing to
shell out hard earned money for incremental improvements.




On 4/12/2017 11:01 AM, Gonz wrote:

Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your
equipment loses value steadily?  If the sky truly is falling, then
maybe its time to sell all and start over.  Maybe Nikon will buy the
patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a
valuable technology.


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:

Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare
parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the
latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items
from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and
other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of
spare parts after an item ceases production?

Not panicked yet…

stan


On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts
department might be in a bind...


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh  turns out the
lights.

Paul via phone


On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses


On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta 
wrote:
This came in today to my Inbox:


http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business

Re: Peso-Poppy Eclipse

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Very Nice!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:

>
>
> Haven't dug this out for awhile, but since it's spring once again..
> Shot on film while laying on my back allowing the larger upper center
> poppy to block out the sun. Also, placed a sheet of white photo board
> on the ground beneath.
>
> C?
>
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>
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[Alan C]

Someone always discriminates against poor old farts.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Gonz

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:12 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

There will always be demand, the question is what will be the steady
state demand?  And at that demand rate, what will be the price?  If
the scale is much smaller, then the prices will be much higher to
justify the lines and design efforts.  The hobby may end up being
relegated to rich old farts...


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:07 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:

NIkon is cutting back too.

Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of the
19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's too big
to know it's dead yet.

Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have reached
the level of sufficiency for pretty much every segment of the market.

12 to 16mp serves for most serious amateurs and even many professionals.
Almost no one needs more than that, and those who actually do /need/ that
kind of resolution aren't enough to sustain the mass market, they buy 
Phase

1 backs for their medium format cameras.  and pass on the costs to their
clients.

For everyday use the camera in the average Cell phone is good enough so 
the

market for stand alone P cameras is dead.

The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than
good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and 
anyone

who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably
doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second,
damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun.

That's the state of the current camera industry.

Most people already have the camera they perceive that they need.  Which 
is

why the market for advanced cameras is contracting.

I mean really, look at this list, how many of us are still using K-5 
family,
or earlier, cameras.  I mean sure a K-3 would be a small boost in frame 
rate

a bit improved AF, and actually a significant boost in resolution, at very
little cost in image noise, but I don't covet it, and a used K-3 sells for
not much more than a used K-5II.

More importantly we're not the typical user base, we're more likely to 
want
the latest and greatest.  Most people don't need that and aren't willing 
to

shell out hard earned money for incremental improvements.




On 4/12/2017 11:01 AM, Gonz wrote:


Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your
equipment loses value steadily?  If the sky truly is falling, then
maybe its time to sell all and start over.  Maybe Nikon will buy the
patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a
valuable technology.


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:


Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare
parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If 
the

latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items
from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU 
and
other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year 
supply of

spare parts after an item ceases production?

Not panicked yet…

stan


On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts
department might be in a bind...


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:


Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh  turns out the
lights.

Paul via phone


On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses


On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta 
wrote:
This came in today to my Inbox:


http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business

The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??

Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger
with
some existing
Camera Manufacturer.

God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.

Regards.
Bipin

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Re: PESO - smolder

[Daniel J. Matyola]

She looks quite stern!


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On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Especially for those who prefer their glamour pinup ladies with more
> curves, here's local pinup hottie Holly Harlott, styled by Gigi's
> House of Frills of Toronto, with makeup by Judi Willrich.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/33531279500/lightbox/
>
> This was taken Feb 2016, but was a leftover shot. I just hauled it out
> of Lightroom limbo and retouched it this morning.
>
> 645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8, f/8, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO.
>
> Key light was an 8" reflector with grid; 5' gridded strip boxes left
> and right, and general fill from a bare strobe firing through some
> white sheers, left.
>
> Enjoy!
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Re: Decontamination

[Alan C]

Thanks, Dan.

You made my day.

Alan C

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Well seen and captured, Alan.

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On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Alan C  wrote:


A sickly looking, tick infested Impala Ewe besieged by 6 Red-billed
Oxpeckers.
Scroll right to see a healthy Impala Ram. Both at Sable Dam, Kruger Park

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/33801114661/

K7 with the Sigma 170-500, 1/2000, f9,5. Both at about 40m.

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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Alan C]

Remote + Tripod?

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Gonz

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:32 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Endgame for cameras...

The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then
insert your image into the fake image when "taking" the picture.
Question is, how the hell do you take selfies?


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:

In essence, your phone would identify where you are and send you and image
of a postcard of that scene.

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought 
t

was worth it...

The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
http://news360.com/article/398182387

Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.

You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a 
small

camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.

Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. 
People
look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone 
cameras

rein supreme...

Just my pixels.

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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Alan C]

A kind of auto troublemaker?

Alan C

-Original Message- 
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In essence, your phone would identify where you are and send you and image
of a postcard of that scene.

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought 
t

was worth it...

The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
http://news360.com/article/398182387

Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.

You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small
camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.

Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. 
People

look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone cameras
rein supreme...

Just my pixels.

Boris
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Re: PESO: The Look

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is super cute!


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On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Bill  wrote:

> Duh, wrong link, though Rollie, the one on the right, was giving a good
> example of the look.
>
> Here's the correct link:
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/the-look.html
>
> bill
>
> On 4/11/2017 8:28 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>> One of the things Rottweilers are known for is the intimidating don't
>> screw with me look. At nine weeks of age, Rayna already has this down to
>> a fine science:
>>
>> http://pug.komkon.org/01nov/2Rotties.html
>>
>> Technical: K1, 77mm LTD. f/3.2, 1/100 sec at ISO 1600.
>>
>> Enjoy
>>
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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Gonz]

The funny part is that they say, you could take selfies and then
insert your image into the fake image when "taking" the picture.
Question is, how the hell do you take selfies?


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:
> In essence, your phone would identify where you are and send you and image
> of a postcard of that scene.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>
>> This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t
>> was worth it...
>>
>> The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
>> http://news360.com/article/398182387
>>
>> Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.
>>
>> You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small
>> camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.
>>
>> Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. People
>> look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone cameras
>> rein supreme...
>>
>> Just my pixels.
>>
>> Boris
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Re: Fw: PESO: Decontamination

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Well seen and captured, Alan.

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On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Alan C  wrote:

> A sickly looking, tick infested Impala Ewe besieged by 6 Red-billed
> Oxpeckers.
> Scroll right to see a healthy Impala Ram. Both at Sable Dam, Kruger Park
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/33801114661/
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> K7 with the Sigma 170-500, 1/2000, f9,5. Both at about 40m.
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Re: PESO; Omaha Beach

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Jack and Paul.

I haven't downloaded and edited many of my Normandy images yet.  Every
evening after all that walking and photographing, I went to dinner, and the
wait staff on board kept filling my glass with wine until I was unable to
much except stumble to my cabin and fall in bed.  Damn Frenchies!!


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On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

> What Jack said. Well done.
>
> Paul via phone
>
> > On Apr 9, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> >
> > Great composition, Dan!
> >
> > J
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 8, 2017, at 10:14 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Monument on the Omaha Beach landing site
> >> https://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-
> pesos/2017/4/9/omaha-beach
> >> 5 IIs, 18-135 zoom
> >> Coments invited
> >>
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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Daniel J. Matyola]

In essence, your phone would identify where you are and send you and image
of a postcard of that scene.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

> This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t
> was worth it...
>
> The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
> http://news360.com/article/398182387
>
> Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.
>
> You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small
> camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.
>
> Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. People
> look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone cameras
> rein supreme...
>
> Just my pixels.
>
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[Gonz]

There will always be demand, the question is what will be the steady
state demand?  And at that demand rate, what will be the price?  If
the scale is much smaller, then the prices will be much higher to
justify the lines and design efforts.  The hobby may end up being
relegated to rich old farts...


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:07 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> NIkon is cutting back too.
>
> Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of the
> 19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's too big
> to know it's dead yet.
>
> Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have reached
> the level of sufficiency for pretty much every segment of the market.
>
> 12 to 16mp serves for most serious amateurs and even many professionals.
> Almost no one needs more than that, and those who actually do /need/ that
> kind of resolution aren't enough to sustain the mass market, they buy Phase
> 1 backs for their medium format cameras.  and pass on the costs to their
> clients.
>
> For everyday use the camera in the average Cell phone is good enough so the
> market for stand alone P cameras is dead.
>
> The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better than
> good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, and anyone
> who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical frames probably
> doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 frames per second,
> damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for fun.
>
> That's the state of the current camera industry.
>
> Most people already have the camera they perceive that they need.  Which is
> why the market for advanced cameras is contracting.
>
> I mean really, look at this list, how many of us are still using K-5 family,
> or earlier, cameras.  I mean sure a K-3 would be a small boost in frame rate
> a bit improved AF, and actually a significant boost in resolution, at very
> little cost in image noise, but I don't covet it, and a used K-3 sells for
> not much more than a used K-5II.
>
> More importantly we're not the typical user base, we're more likely to want
> the latest and greatest.  Most people don't need that and aren't willing to
> shell out hard earned money for incremental improvements.
>
>
>
>
> On 4/12/2017 11:01 AM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your
>> equipment loses value steadily?  If the sky truly is falling, then
>> maybe its time to sell all and start over.  Maybe Nikon will buy the
>> patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a
>> valuable technology.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare
>>> parts? Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the
>>> latter, (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items
>>> from suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and
>>> other jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of
>>> spare parts after an item ceases production?
>>>
>>> Not panicked yet…
>>>
>>> stan
>>>
 On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz  wrote:

 Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts
 department might be in a bind...


 On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist 
 wrote:
>
> Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh  turns out the
> lights.
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz  wrote:
>>
>> Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta 
>>> wrote:
>>> This came in today to my Inbox:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
>>>
>>> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
>>>
>>> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger
>>> with
>>> some existing
>>> Camera Manufacturer.
>>>
>>> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Bipin
>>>
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[P. J. Alling]

NIkon is cutting back too.

Canon may be fatally wounded, though like the conceptual dinosaurs of 
the 19th century, (which they still taught when I was in school), it's 
too big to know it's dead yet.


Digital cameras whether DSLR, Mirrorless or Old Fashioned RF, have 
reached the level of sufficiency for pretty much every segment of the 
market.


12 to 16mp serves for most serious amateurs and even many 
professionals.  Almost no one needs more than that, and those who 
actually do /need/ that kind of resolution aren't enough to sustain the 
mass market, they buy Phase 1 backs for their medium format cameras.  
and pass on the costs to their clients.


For everyday use the camera in the average Cell phone is good enough so 
the market for stand alone P cameras is dead.


The Megapixel race has become pointless, image quality is now better 
than good enough, and has been for two generations of camera sensors, 
and anyone who's had to pour over several hundred almost identical 
frames probably doesn't figure that they need faster than say 7 to 10 
frames per second, damn that's too much like work if you're doing it for 
fun.


That's the state of the current camera industry.

Most people already have the camera they perceive that they need.  Which 
is why the market for advanced cameras is contracting.


I mean really, look at this list, how many of us are still using K-5 
family, or earlier, cameras.  I mean sure a K-3 would be a small boost 
in frame rate a bit improved AF, and actually a significant boost in 
resolution, at very little cost in image noise, but I don't covet it, 
and a used K-3 sells for not much more than a used K-5II.


More importantly we're not the typical user base, we're more likely to 
want the latest and greatest.  Most people don't need that and aren't 
willing to shell out hard earned money for incremental improvements.




On 4/12/2017 11:01 AM, Gonz wrote:

Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your
equipment loses value steadily?  If the sky truly is falling, then
maybe its time to sell all and start over.  Maybe Nikon will buy the
patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a
valuable technology.


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:

Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare parts? Or 
do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the latter, (which 
makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items from suppliers) then 
we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and other jurisdictions 
stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an 
item ceases production?

Not panicked yet…

stan


On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts
department might be in a bind...


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh  turns out the lights.

Paul via phone


On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses


On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
This came in today to my Inbox:

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business

The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??

Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
some existing
Camera Manufacturer.

God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.

Regards.
Bipin

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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Gonz]

Too bad I can't get a refund on my time.  :)


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:36 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> It was free, so I guess you got you're money's worth.
>
>
> On 4/12/2017 10:58 AM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> Wow, that article is about close to the dumbest I've ever read, lol.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>>>
>>> This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought
>>> t
>>> was worth it...
>>>
>>> The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
>>> http://news360.com/article/398182387
>>>
>>> Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.
>>>
>>> You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a
>>> small
>>> camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.
>>>
>>> Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete.
>>> People
>>> look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone
>>> cameras
>>> rein supreme...
>>>
>>> Just my pixels.
>>>
>>> Boris
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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[P. J. Alling]

It was free, so I guess you got you're money's worth.

On 4/12/2017 10:58 AM, Gonz wrote:

Wow, that article is about close to the dumbest I've ever read, lol.


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t
was worth it...

The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
http://news360.com/article/398182387

Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.

You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small
camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.

Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. People
look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone cameras
rein supreme...

Just my pixels.

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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[Gonz]

Yeah, I don't know, why wait till shit starts breaking and your
equipment loses value steadily?  If the sky truly is falling, then
maybe its time to sell all and start over.  Maybe Nikon will buy the
patents for the in body image stabilization, that is certainly a
valuable technology.


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:
> Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare parts? 
> Or do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the latter, 
> (which makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items from 
> suppliers) then we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and other 
> jurisdictions stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare 
> parts after an item ceases production?
>
> Not panicked yet…
>
> stan
>
>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts
>> department might be in a bind...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh  turns out the lights.
>>>
>>> Paul via phone
>>>
 On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz  wrote:

 Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses

> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> This came in today to my Inbox:
>
> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
>
> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
>
> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
> some existing
> Camera Manufacturer.
>
> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.
>
> Regards.
> Bipin
>
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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Igor PDML-StR]

And photojournalism will have a significant leap. :-D [Facecrime]
It would be even easier to create #RealFakeNews...
... and to "rectify".

2+2=5!


Godfrey DiGiorgi Wed, 12 Apr 2017 07:40:39 -0700 wrote:

One step closer to the Virtual Panopticon, I guess.

G



On Apr 12, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:

This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t
was worth it...

The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
http://news360.com/article/398182387

Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.

You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small
camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.

Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. People
look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone cameras
rein supreme...

Just my pixels.

Boris


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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Gonz]

Wow, that article is about close to the dumbest I've ever read, lol.


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t
> was worth it...
>
> The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
> http://news360.com/article/398182387
>
> Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.
>
> You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small
> camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.
>
> Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. People
> look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone cameras
> rein supreme...
>
> Just my pixels.
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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Do they have a just-in-time stocking model for camera and lens spare parts? Or 
do they plan ahead for expected demand several years out? If the latter, (which 
makes sense in terms of batch orders of limited run items from suppliers) then 
we should be ok for a while. I believe various EU and other jurisdictions 
stipulate that sellers need to have a two year supply of spare parts after an 
item ceases production?

Not panicked yet…

stan

> On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts
> department might be in a bind...
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh  turns out the lights.
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses
>>> 
 On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
 This came in today to my Inbox:
 
 http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
 
 The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
 
 Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
 some existing
 Camera Manufacturer.
 
 God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.
 
 Regards.
 Bipin
 
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What was that company ...

[Igor PDML-StR]

... that sells complicated ("universal") plates that look like 
mini-version of bread-board optical tables, i.e. with many wholes, IIRC,

of different sizes, most likely some threaded...

I remember somebody here posted a link several years ago, but I don't 
remember the company/brand name...


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Re: Endgame for cameras...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

One step closer to the Virtual Panopticon, I guess. 

G

> On Apr 12, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> 
> This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t
> was worth it...
> 
> The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
> http://news360.com/article/398182387
> 
> Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.
> 
> You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small
> camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.
> 
> Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. People
> look at the photos on their cell phone screen and there cell phone cameras
> rein supreme...
> 
> Just my pixels.
> 
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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Yeah, here's hoping. But if something goes wrong, the spare parts
department might be in a bind...


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh  turns out the lights.
>
> Paul via phone
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>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz  wrote:
>>
>> Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>>> This came in today to my Inbox:
>>>
>>> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
>>>
>>> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
>>>
>>> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
>>> some existing
>>> Camera Manufacturer.
>>>
>>> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Bipin
>>>
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

[P. J. Alling]

Notice the word "may" in the headline.  That's a feature of the 11th 
commandment, Cover thy ass.  With that headline the writer and editor 
are admitting that they have no idea what Ricoh is actually going to do.


Admittedly it's not good that the imaging division is having resources 
moved to other more profitable operations, but Ricoh's core competence 
is office machinery, copiers in fact, and even that division is having 
trouble in the current market.


I wouldn't say you shouldn't worry, but, I don't think that even Ricoh 
upper management has any idea of what to do at this point.



On 4/12/2017 9:55 AM, Gonz wrote:

Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:

This came in today to my Inbox:

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business

The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??

Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
some existing
Camera Manufacturer.

God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.

Regards.
Bipin

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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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Your K-1 and lenses will still work great after Ricoh  turns out the lights. 

Paul via phone

> On Apr 12, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
>> This came in today to my Inbox:
>> 
>> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
>> 
>> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
>> 
>> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
>> some existing
>> Camera Manufacturer.
>> 
>> God Bless us Pentaxians, as we have been tossed enough by the waves.
>> 
>> Regards.
>> Bipin
>> 
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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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Well that sux.  I just spent > $4K on K-1 and lenses

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> This came in today to my Inbox:
>
> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
>
> The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
>
> Hope this time an Indian Company buys them out, or I see a merger with
> some existing
> Camera Manufacturer.
>
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> Regards.
> Bipin
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Re: new appreciation

[Christine Aguila]

> On Apr 11, 2017, at 10:43 PM, William Robb  
> wrote:
> 
> It's all Mark and Doug. I get sent a link and some quiet expectation that I
> will make acerbic comments about the pictures.
> This year I almost made it to the finish line until my eyesight was cruelly
> debilitated by complications from a stupid disease.
> I blame my mother.


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Endgame for cameras...

[Boris Liberman]

This is rather extreme but for some reason my news aggregator app thought t
was worth it...

The endgame for cameras is having no camera at all:
http://news360.com/article/398182387

Seems eerily rrelated to most recent news about Ricoh.

You know, in my opinion, what really is killing the cameras is not a small
camera inside the cell phone, but in fact the cell phone screen.

Most of the ways for which regular camera is optimised are obsolete. People
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Just my pixels.

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Re: Ricoh to cut back camera production?

[Christine Aguila]

Wow!  Sad if true.  Hopefully, something can be worked out.

Cheers, Christine


> On Apr 11, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> G'day all
> 
> I came across this item a couple of hours ago.  I don't know how
> authoritative it is but it doesn't sound good:
> 
> http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
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OT Newspaper men used to dream of flatulence jokes...

[P. J. Alling]

Now we have the internet...

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/11/hubble-just-spotted-something-massive-coming-out-of-uranus-6567896/


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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

Interesting...

On 11/04/17 03:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Or, maybe it was a lizard rain...
If it can rain frogs, it could rain lizards, perhaps...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_of_animals
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/rain-frog.htm 



Igor


Bob W-PDML Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:10:51 -0700 wrote:

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were caught 
out by a sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be warmed 
up again. That would be appropriate for Easter. Only a herpetologist 
or a theologian would know.



B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund  wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and 
I think
I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a 
bit sad

today. Here I go:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's 
what's
known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is 
(the sad
part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining 
for the
fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to 
meet his
maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, 
and so
on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 
of these
in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was 
going

on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it through the
winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of them "in 
the open"

like this.

Any theories?

- Toralf





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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

On 11/04/17 05:14, Ken Waller wrote:

Maybe his warranty ran out!   (;-)

Of course :-)

- T


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From: Toralf Lund 
Subject: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I
think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps
a bit sad today. Here I go:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's
what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing
is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was
pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired
and gone to meet his maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin'
choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I
actually saw 15-20 of these in a similar state, all on a pawed path.
This made me wonder what was going on. I mean, perhaps these poor
creatures just didn't make it through the winter, but I think it's a bit
strange to find several of them "in the open" like this.

Any theories?

- Toralf





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Re: Ricoh to cut back camera production?

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote:

Sigma hasn't been able to build a general purpose camera to save their
life.

RIcoh has a history of just shuttering divisions that don't make money.
They folded their own SLR production before. Let's hope they don't do
that again.

What would Sigma do if they bought the Ricoh imaging division, put their
proprietary lens mount and the Fovion chip into a K-3 body? Great
ergonomics terrible performance in every other way and a lens mount that
never took off. Hooray!


The ideal situation would be that they drop their lens mount and sensor 
and just produce all of their lenses in K mount, with Pentax coatings 
and weather sealing.  By the same token, I could also make a joke that 
was actually funny. Don't hold your breath for either one.


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Re: Stunning News for Pentax - Ricoh

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On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 09:36:30PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> Bipin Gupta wrote:
> > This came in today to my Inbox:
> > 
> > http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Ricoh-may-close-shutter-on-personal-camera-business
> > 
> > The end of Pentax - Ricoh coming near??
> 
> Well that could really and truly suck.

I doubt if it will affect me much, if at all.

I anticipate buying at most one more traditional DSLR - I don't feel tempted
by the K1, but might be interested if there was a follow-up APS-C model with
most of the improvements from the K1 (and, no doubt, a few more as well).

If that doesn't materialise I'll probably either stick with what I have today
or switch over to Olympus; the EPL1 has served me well over the years, but is
several generations behind in sensor technology (though still good enough for
casual everyday use ).

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