Re: Amateur photographer assaulted in Greenwich Market
On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:38 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: I found living in the UK a bit stressful, except Scotland, where people were kinder, simpler and more friendly. I remember walking into a pub one very cold December evening in Peterhead (north sea oilfield region). Some folks asked me canye speak English. I said, no Sir, only Scottish. The whole pub burst out in laughter. And all my drinks + food was on the house - refused to take money from me. I still have happy memories and plenty of photos from this Scottish Pub. It's a bit longer than Mark's usual quotes, but that may be the best story I've read on PDML yet. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Amateur photographer assaulted in Greenwich Market
On 11-07-13 3:34 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Jul 12, 2011, at 1:38 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote: I found living in the UK a bit stressful, except Scotland, where people were kinder, simpler and more friendly. I remember walking into a pub one very cold December evening in Peterhead (north sea oilfield region). Some folks asked me canye speak English. I said, no Sir, only Scottish. The whole pub burst out in laughter. And all my drinks + food was on the house - refused to take money from me. I still have happy memories and plenty of photos from this Scottish Pub. It's a bit longer than Mark's usual quotes, but that may be the best story I've read on PDML yet. +1 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Amateur photographer assaulted in Greenwich Market
Great story, Bipin! Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:38 AM Subject: Amateur photographer assaulted in Greenwich Market We are glad our Amateur Photographer stood his ground. We await the reply from the Greenwich Market Authorities and their action taken against this rowdy stall owner. I have lived in the Middle East, UK, Canada and the USA, and enjoyed taking market and stall photos without any hindrance or objections. In fact I was in a Libyan (Tripoli) fish market (just before the uprising) and the stall owners would welcome me to take their photos, explaining the fish varieties in their stalls. I found living in the UK a bit stressful, except Scotland, where people were kinder, simpler and more friendly. I remember walking into a pub one very cold December evening in Peterhead (north sea oilfield region). Some folks asked me canye speak English. I said, no Sir, only Scottish. The whole pub burst out in laughter. And all my drinks + food was on the house - refused to take money from me. I still have happy memories and plenty of photos from this Scottish Pub. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Great story, Bipin... I immediately had to call and read the Peterhead segment to a close friend of Scottish descent... she loved it. ann On 7/12/2011 04:38, Bipin Gupta wrote: We are glad our Amateur Photographer stood his ground. We await the reply from the Greenwich Market Authorities and their action taken against this rowdy stall owner. I have lived in the Middle East, UK, Canada and the USA, and enjoyed taking market and stall photos without any hindrance or objections. In fact I was in a Libyan (Tripoli) fish market (just before the uprising) and the stall owners would welcome me to take their photos, explaining the fish varieties in their stalls. I found living in the UK a bit stressful, except Scotland, where people were kinder, simpler and more friendly. I remember walking into a pub one very cold December evening in Peterhead (north sea oilfield region). Some folks asked me canye speak English. I said, no Sir, only Scottish. The whole pub burst out in laughter. And all my drinks + food was on the house - refused to take money from me. I still have happy memories and plenty of photos from this Scottish Pub. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Amateur photographer assaulted in Greenwich Market
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta [...] people were kinder, simpler and more friendly. I remember walking into a pub one very cold December evening in Peterhead (north sea oilfield region). Some folks asked me canye speak English. I said, no Sir, only Scottish. The whole pub burst out in laughter. And all my drinks + food was on the house - refused to take money from me. I still have happy memories and plenty of photos from this Scottish Pub. Thanks. That's a great story. I've had a reply from the market, very pleasant, very professional. It doesn't really do what I asked of them so I've got back to them. I won't give a blow-by-blow account of this as it works itself out, but I'll let everyone know the outcome. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bipin Gupta We are glad our Amateur Photographer stood his ground. We await the reply from the Greenwich Market Authorities and their action taken against this rowdy stall owner. Don't hold your breath while you're waiting. Customer service, like chivalry, is dead. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3759 - Release Date: 07/11/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so [...] I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. This is the offending photograph: http://www.web-options.com/Recent/content/S0120024_large.html Nothing in itself, but I'm damned if I'll let some meathead tell me what I can and can't photograph. I can see the problem, he has the red and green purses in the wrong spots. Dave B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wow! Really sorry that happened, Bob. The letter is excellent, and hopefully it will change behavior. I'm definitely interested in knowing the outcome. Looking forward to seeing the picture. Big cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: FW: Amateur photographer assaulted in Greenwich Market I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so I've sent the letter below to the manager of the market, cc:ed to the local paper and the British Journal of Photography. I won't be pushed around (literally!) by people, especially self-righteous busybodies. I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. Grumpy Dear Sir or Madam, Earlier today (10 July 2011) one of your stallholders, who identified himself as a photographer, assaulted me while I was taking photographs in Greenwich Market. The incident began when he took hold of my arm and demanded to know if I had asked permission of the person whose photograph I'd just taken. I told him that I don't need permission to take photographs in public places. He then claimed that he could arrest me, so I invited him to do so. He took my arm again, pulling vigorously to try and move me along. I told him to take his hands of me, and that continuing to detain me was itself assault. Despite this, he held on to me until I freed myself. After an exchange of words we parted company and I went about my lawful activity. This is not the first time that a stallholder has tried to stop me taking pictures, although it is the first time that one of them has laid hands on me. Please would you make clear to all of your stallholders that photography in public places is a legal activity. For the avoidance of doubt, here is the link to a page about it on the Metropolitan Police website: http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm. Please also ask your stallholders to acquaint themselves with the law as it applies to so-called citizen's arrest. In short, any attempt to stop someone going about their lawful activities is itself illegal and may be assault. If this happens to me again in Greenwich Market I will press charges. This is not just a matter of law, it is also a matter of commercial good sense for the stallholders. The incident today caused a scene. Greenwich Market is a significant attractor of tourists and income to the borough, to Greenwich Market and to the traders. Tourists and locals alike enjoy taking photographs. If your stallholders take it upon themselves to try and stop people taking photographs, then both tourists locals will stop coming, and we will all be worse off for it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so [...] I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. This is the offending photograph: http://www.web-options.com/Recent/content/S0120024_large.html Nothing in itself, but I'm damned if I'll let some meathead tell me what I can and can't photograph. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Often small stall holders who don't want to be photographed, do so because they are selling illegal, (pirate or stolen). Perhaps that was the problem. On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so [...] I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. This is the offending photograph: http://www.web-options.com/Recent/content/S0120024_large.html Nothing in itself, but I'm damned if I'll let some meathead tell me what I can and can't photograph. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: This is the offending photograph: http://www.web-options.com/Recent/content/S0120024_large.html Nothing in itself, but I'm damned if I'll let some meathead tell me what I can and can't photograph. I've noticed with the small amount of photography that I've done that people are getting touchy. Not gone that far with me - yet. The last time I could photos in a similar environment (Walthamstow Market), I put on a Hi-Vi jacket. Not one person asked questions, they probably thought I was there for the local Council or something. I look forward to hearing the reply they send you. Awful to read posts about photography that changes the way you view a day out with the camera. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Amateur photographer assaulted in Greenwich Market
Often small stall holders who don't want to be photographed, do so because they are selling illegal, (pirate or stolen). Perhaps that was the problem. Not in this case. The chap who tried to stop me is not the one I photographed - who has been at the market for years and is a lovely guy. The guy who tried to stop me is a photographer with a stall. B On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so [...] I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. This is the offending photograph: http://www.web-options.com/Recent/content/S0120024_large.html Nothing in itself, but I'm damned if I'll let some meathead tell me what I can and can't photograph. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hum, then maybe he was afraid of the competition. On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Often small stall holders who don't want to be photographed, do so because they are selling illegal, (pirate or stolen). Perhaps that was the problem. Not in this case. The chap who tried to stop me is not the one I photographed - who has been at the market for years and is a lovely guy. The guy who tried to stop me is a photographer with a stall. B On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so [...] I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. This is the offending photograph: http://www.web-options.com/Recent/content/S0120024_large.html Nothing in itself, but I'm damned if I'll let some meathead tell me what I can and can't photograph. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Amateur photographer assaulted in Greenwich Market
Unbelievable. I hope your letter results in appropriate action. I'm pleased that you stood your ground. Paul On Jul 10, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Bob W wrote: I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so I've sent the letter below to the manager of the market, cc:ed to the local paper and the British Journal of Photography. I won't be pushed around (literally!) by people, especially self-righteous busybodies. I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. Grumpy Dear Sir or Madam, Earlier today (10 July 2011) one of your stallholders, who identified himself as a photographer, assaulted me while I was taking photographs in Greenwich Market. The incident began when he took hold of my arm and demanded to know if I had asked permission of the person whose photograph I'd just taken. I told him that I don't need permission to take photographs in public places. He then claimed that he could arrest me, so I invited him to do so. He took my arm again, pulling vigorously to try and move me along. I told him to take his hands of me, and that continuing to detain me was itself assault. Despite this, he held on to me until I freed myself. After an exchange of words we parted company and I went about my lawful activity. This is not the first time that a stallholder has tried to stop me taking pictures, although it is the first time that one of them has laid hands on me. Please would you make clear to all of your stallholders that photography in public places is a legal activity. For the avoidance of doubt, here is the link to a page about it on the Metropolitan Police website: http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm. Please also ask your stallholders to acquaint themselves with the law as it applies to so-called citizen's arrest. In short, any attempt to stop someone going about their lawful activities is itself illegal and may be assault. If this happens to me again in Greenwich Market I will press charges. This is not just a matter of law, it is also a matter of commercial good sense for the stallholders. The incident today caused a scene. Greenwich Market is a significant attractor of tourists and income to the borough, to Greenwich Market and to the traders. Tourists and locals alike enjoy taking photographs. If your stallholders take it upon themselves to try and stop people taking photographs, then both tourists locals will stop coming, and we will all be worse off for it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I find the photo quite good. I can't imagine why anyone would take offense. Paul On Jul 10, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Bob W wrote: I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so [...] I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. This is the offending photograph: http://www.web-options.com/Recent/content/S0120024_large.html Nothing in itself, but I'm damned if I'll let some meathead tell me what I can and can't photograph. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/10/2011 14:30, Christine Aguila wrote: Wow! Really sorry that happened, Bob. The letter is excellent, and hopefully it will change behavior. I'm definitely interested in knowing the outcome. Looking forward to seeing the picture. Big cheers, Christine What she said - with strong emphasis :-) Good on ya, Bob ann - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: FW: Amateur photographer assaulted in Greenwich Market I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so I've sent the letter below to the manager of the market, cc:ed to the local paper and the British Journal of Photography. I won't be pushed around (literally!) by people, especially self-righteous busybodies. I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. Grumpy Dear Sir or Madam, Earlier today (10 July 2011) one of your stallholders, who identified himself as a photographer, assaulted me while I was taking photographs in Greenwich Market. The incident began when he took hold of my arm and demanded to know if I had asked permission of the person whose photograph I'd just taken. I told him that I don't need permission to take photographs in public places. He then claimed that he could arrest me, so I invited him to do so. He took my arm again, pulling vigorously to try and move me along. I told him to take his hands of me, and that continuing to detain me was itself assault. Despite this, he held on to me until I freed myself. After an exchange of words we parted company and I went about my lawful activity. This is not the first time that a stallholder has tried to stop me taking pictures, although it is the first time that one of them has laid hands on me. Please would you make clear to all of your stallholders that photography in public places is a legal activity. For the avoidance of doubt, here is the link to a page about it on the Metropolitan Police website: http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm. Please also ask your stallholders to acquaint themselves with the law as it applies to so-called citizen's arrest. In short, any attempt to stop someone going about their lawful activities is itself illegal and may be assault. If this happens to me again in Greenwich Market I will press charges. This is not just a matter of law, it is also a matter of commercial good sense for the stallholders. The incident today caused a scene. Greenwich Market is a significant attractor of tourists and income to the borough, to Greenwich Market and to the traders. Tourists and locals alike enjoy taking photographs. If your stallholders take it upon themselves to try and stop people taking photographs, then both tourists locals will stop coming, and we will all be worse off for it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/10/2011 14:55, Bob W wrote: Often small stall holders who don't want to be photographed, do so because they are selling illegal, (pirate or stolen). Perhaps that was the problem. Not in this case. The chap who tried to stop me is not the one I photographed - who has been at the market for years and is a lovely guy. The guy who tried to stop me is a photographer with a stall. B A photographer with a stall wherein he sells his work??? lol! Doesn't like the competition perhaps! ann On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote: I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so [...] I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. This is the offending photograph: http://www.web-options.com/Recent/content/S0120024_large.html Nothing in itself, but I'm damned if I'll let some meathead tell me what I can and can't photograph. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good letter Bob! You would think that a photographer, if anyone, would know better. I've been in similar situations but never accosted in quite that way. I will be interested in seeing what response you get. stan On Jul 10, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 7/10/2011 14:55, Bob W wrote: Often small stall holders who don't want to be photographed, do so because they are selling illegal, (pirate or stolen). Perhaps that was the problem. Not in this case. The chap who tried to stop me is not the one I photographed - who has been at the market for years and is a lovely guy. The guy who tried to stop me is a photographer with a stall. B A photographer with a stall wherein he sells his work??? lol! Doesn't like the competition perhaps! ann On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote: I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so [...] I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. This is the offending photograph: http://www.web-options.com/Recent/content/S0120024_large.html Nothing in itself, but I'm damned if I'll let some meathead tell me what I can and can't photograph. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bob W Often small stall holders who don't want to be photographed, do so because they are selling illegal, (pirate or stolen). Perhaps that was the problem. Not in this case. The chap who tried to stop me is not the one I photographed - who has been at the market for years and is a lovely guy. The guy who tried to stop me is a photographer with a stall. I wouldn't have threatened to bring assault charges next time. I'd have gone ahead and done it this time. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1516/3755 - Release Date: 07/09/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11 July 2011 04:31, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Nothing in itself, but I'm damned if I'll let some meathead tell me what I can and can't photograph. Been there, but only verbal scuffles to this point, I'm glad you stood your ground, too many plebs have a distorted perspective of what's law these days with reference to photography. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well done Bob - I had a similar but only verbal confrontation in our local market some years ago. Who do these people think they are? John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob W Sent: Monday, 11 July 2011 3:17 AM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: FW: Amateur photographer assaulted in Greenwich Market I had a bit of a to-do earlier today. It really made my blood boil, so I've sent the letter below to the manager of the market, cc:ed to the local paper and the British Journal of Photography. I won't be pushed around (literally!) by people, especially self-righteous busybodies. I'll let you know the outcome, if there is one. And I'll post the offending photograph later. Grumpy Dear Sir or Madam, Earlier today (10 July 2011) one of your stallholders, who identified himself as a photographer, assaulted me while I was taking photographs in Greenwich Market. The incident began when he took hold of my arm and demanded to know if I had asked permission of the person whose photograph I'd just taken. I told him that I don't need permission to take photographs in public places. He then claimed that he could arrest me, so I invited him to do so. He took my arm again, pulling vigorously to try and move me along. I told him to take his hands of me, and that continuing to detain me was itself assault. Despite this, he held on to me until I freed myself. After an exchange of words we parted company and I went about my lawful activity. This is not the first time that a stallholder has tried to stop me taking pictures, although it is the first time that one of them has laid hands on me. Please would you make clear to all of your stallholders that photography in public places is a legal activity. For the avoidance of doubt, here is the link to a page about it on the Metropolitan Police website: http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm. Please also ask your stallholders to acquaint themselves with the law as it applies to so-called citizen's arrest. In short, any attempt to stop someone going about their lawful activities is itself illegal and may be assault. If this happens to me again in Greenwich Market I will press charges. This is not just a matter of law, it is also a matter of commercial good sense for the stallholders. The incident today caused a scene. Greenwich Market is a significant attractor of tourists and income to the borough, to Greenwich Market and to the traders. Tourists and locals alike enjoy taking photographs. If your stallholders take it upon themselves to try and stop people taking photographs, then both tourists locals will stop coming, and we will all be worse off for it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
