Re: my ist-D samples
- Original Message - From: Juey Chong Ong Subject: Re: my ist-D samples As an experiment, I set my *ist-D on continuous shooting and use a smaller JPEG size (L*) because I'm still using my old, slow 128MB cards and just held down the shutter release button. The camera fired off 5 shots in rapid succession, then it continued firing away at a constant, slightly less than one frame per second by my mental guestimate while the read/write indicator was lit solid. If you're shooting TIFF or RAW, it very well could have taken 12 seconds to clear one image. but it doesn't take that long when shooting JPEG. I shoot to print, so I am either using RAW or JPEG large. With RAW, it shoots 5 quickly, then slows down tremendously. In JPEG large, it seems to be about 4 seconds between shots once the buffer is full. In JPEG small, it is only a couple of seconds between shots, but since I don't shoot this way, I never bothered to investigate. Either way, it is too slow for someone who shoots rabid bursts at short intervals. William Robb
Re: my ist-D samples
- Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith Subject: RE: my ist-D samples On Saturday, Nov 8, 2003, at 22:45 America/New_York, William Robb wrote: It will do 5 shots in rapid succession, then it kaks while the buffer clears, which takes 12 seconds per image. In real life, it means you can take 5 shots in a couple of seconds, then take another shot every 12 seconds. Are you suggesting that if I was, for example, taking a number of shots in succession - horseracing, motor sports etc, I would be better off with a film camera and motordrive? If thats your shooting style, then I would think so. Once the buffer is full, the camera becomes rather unpredictable about how often it will shoot. I have found that with sports and the like, I am better off to take one picture when I want to, rather than a bunch of pictures approximately when I want to. With motor drives on continuous, I find I get a picture either just before, or just after the one I really wanted. William Robb
RE: my ist-D samples
Bill Owens wrote an on topic and accurate observation: Actually, IMNHO, you'd be better off using single frame mode and experience. Stop it! I'm trying to get a bit of film/digital usage argument going on here! Malcolm
Re: my ist-D samples
- Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Christian Skofteland Subject: Re: my ist-D samples I don't think this would be a good camera for someone who is shooting with a motordrive to get maximum framage. For this sort of thing, film is still better. Or the Mythical, Magical N D2H I dunno, they use the wrong kind of lenses. William Robb I was reffering to frame rates, not image quality! ;-) Christian
frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples)
Bill, What if you wanted to catch a sequence of a car going into the gravel trap, or a rider being ejected from his motorcycle? Can you shoot (on film) 5 frames in in one second (the time it takes for a spin to happen) winding with your thumb? This fps argument has been going on for ages. High frame rates are extremely useful in certain situations and worthless in others. Obviously experience in how to shoot action is very important, but getting a sequence requires high fps. Christian - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, IMNHO, you'd be better off using single frame mode and experience. Bill - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:13 AM Subject: RE: my ist-D samples Are you suggesting that if I was, for example, taking a number of shots in succession - horseracing, motor sports etc, I would be better off with a film camera and motordrive? Malcolm
Re: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples)
Maybe for certain uses, such as an imploding building. For sports such as football and basketball, as you say, they are worthless. Bill - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples) Bill, What if you wanted to catch a sequence of a car going into the gravel trap, or a rider being ejected from his motorcycle? Can you shoot (on film) 5 frames in in one second (the time it takes for a spin to happen) winding with your thumb? This fps argument has been going on for ages. High frame rates are extremely useful in certain situations and worthless in others. Obviously experience in how to shoot action is very important, but getting a sequence requires high fps. Christian - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, IMNHO, you'd be better off using single frame mode and experience. Bill - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:13 AM Subject: RE: my ist-D samples Are you suggesting that if I was, for example, taking a number of shots in succession - horseracing, motor sports etc, I would be better off with a film camera and motordrive? Malcolm
Re: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples)
I'll second that. A friend of mine shoots a lot of sequence shots for motocross, snowboarding, skateboarding, mountain biking, etc. It's not about capturing the one decisive moment--it's about showing a series of photos that capture the jump/stunt at various stages. He needs a high fps rate to capture a good sequence. Agreed.The D1 handles this quite well.D2h is supposed to be even better. Some digital cameras aren't bad at this, but they tend to limit their high fps rates either to a few frames at a time or to low-res shots only. If you need to make enlargements from these shots, film is still the best option. Digital does have the advantage of instant review, but that's pointless here, as these types of sports tend to give you only one chance to make the shot... unless you want to ask the nice mountain biker to pretty please jump off that 50 foot cliff again. :) Bottom line... cranking the motor drive isn't always about laziness or lack of skill. Its more ofproper tool for the job at hand.Well said Chris. Dave chris On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, Christian wrote: Bill, What if you wanted to catch a sequence of a car going into the gravel trap, or a rider being ejected from his motorcycle? Can you shoot (on film) 5 frames in in one second (the time it takes for a spin to happen) winding with your thumb? This fps argument has been going on for ages. High frame rates are extremely useful in certain situations and worthless in others. Obviously experience in how to shoot action is very important, but getting a sequence requires high fps.
Re: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples)
My argument was for sequences in motor sports. I made no mention of field sports. I agree that football and basketball do not require a motor drive and the one case where I photographed a baseball game, I didn't use one. Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Re: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples) Maybe for certain uses, such as an imploding building. For sports such as football and basketball, as you say, they are worthless. Bill - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples) Bill, What if you wanted to catch a sequence of a car going into the gravel trap, or a rider being ejected from his motorcycle? Can you shoot (on film) 5 frames in in one second (the time it takes for a spin to happen) winding with your thumb? This fps argument has been going on for ages. High frame rates are extremely useful in certain situations and worthless in others. Obviously experience in how to shoot action is very important, but getting a sequence requires high fps. Christian - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, IMNHO, you'd be better off using single frame mode and experience. Bill - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:13 AM Subject: RE: my ist-D samples Are you suggesting that if I was, for example, taking a number of shots in succession - horseracing, motor sports etc, I would be better off with a film camera and motordrive? Malcolm
Re: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples)
Since all I've shot is field sports, I'll yield to those of you with more experience in motor sports. I recently shot a softball game with the *ist D and was surprised how quickly I got my timing back after 40 years. Bill - Original Message - From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: Re: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples) My argument was for sequences in motor sports. I made no mention of field sports. I agree that football and basketball do not require a motor drive and the one case where I photographed a baseball game, I didn't use one. Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Re: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples) Maybe for certain uses, such as an imploding building. For sports such as football and basketball, as you say, they are worthless. Bill - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples) Bill, What if you wanted to catch a sequence of a car going into the gravel trap, or a rider being ejected from his motorcycle? Can you shoot (on film) 5 frames in in one second (the time it takes for a spin to happen) winding with your thumb? This fps argument has been going on for ages. High frame rates are extremely useful in certain situations and worthless in others. Obviously experience in how to shoot action is very important, but getting a sequence requires high fps. Christian - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, IMNHO, you'd be better off using single frame mode and experience. Bill - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:13 AM Subject: RE: my ist-D samples Are you suggesting that if I was, for example, taking a number of shots in succession - horseracing, motor sports etc, I would be better off with a film camera and motordrive? Malcolm
Re: frame rates... again... (was: Re: my ist-D samples)
Since all I've shot is field sports, I'll yield to those of you with more experience in motor sports. I recently shot a softball game with the *ist D and was surprised how quickly I got my timing back after 40 years. It's very rare that you'll be in a position to run off multiple shots of an incident, especially if you weren't expecting it. The only time I use continuous shooting mode is when I'm set up for somewhere I'm pretty sure there'll be extended activity - either the drop of the green flag or at the first turn. I'd never use the *ist-D for such an assignment, though. Not because it will fill the buffer, but because the frame rate is just too low. For those sort of things I'd use my PZ-1p (4.3fps) or, if I could pre- focus, the trusty old MX + Motor Drive, which can do 5fps. For everything else (even a car going off into a gravel trap, or going over a jump) it's more important to pick the right moment. Even with a 5fps frame rate a car going 100mph travels 30 feet between shots; it's extremely unlikely that you'll capture just the right moment if you rely on a motor drive to choose the timing for the shot. I've been quite successful with the MZ-S over the past couple of years; I expect to do at least as well with the *ist-D.
Re: DSLR burst rates (was: Re: my ist-D samples
on 11/09/03 3:29 PM, Cotty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/11/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: Either way, it is too slow for someone who shoots rabid bursts at short intervals. ... For comparison sake, I did a quick test with the D60. Total frames shot in one minute = 8 + 31 + 12 = 52 frames. In RAW mode,... Total frames shot in one minute = 8 + 7 +2 + 2+ 4 = 23 frames. That concludes this test of the nuclear armageddon warning system :-) Cheers, Cotty I've been doing a different sort of test with my ist-D. Since I got it, I have been using it when I've had the chance. Sometimes I'll slowly stalk a tree or flower bed, carefully taking one or two shots. Other times I'll get engrossed with a single flower or leaf and rapidly fire off several shots with small variations in composition. I have not paid any attention to the camera limitations. It turns on, it focuses, it shoots when I push the button, it does not get in my way. It is just there available for me to use as I want to. I guess I used film too long, film that I had to pay for myself, to be comfortable even thinking about a high enough frame rate to challenge the limitations of the type yu'al are discussions. Stan
Re: my ist-D samples
Christian wrote: LX and MX, I'd say that the operation of the ist-d Same here! the new interface (mainly, using the lens on A and spinning a wheel to change aperture) was not a Doing this myself Digitally with my Oly E10 but I would like to go Pentax. second-nature. The viewfinder is awesome, so I'm not missing the LX. That's the strongest endorsement I've seen! For my style of shooting, RAW is the only way to go. Using PPL is very easy and intuitive. Tried RAW with E10 but not much. I hardly have time to sort thru my jpegs and get them printed! Is the ist D always ready to expose when the shutter button is pressed? Any delay clearing the buffer and writing to the card? I've also read here in PDML (or was it DPReview?) that on focus priority that when a manual focus lens is used (all I have) that the exposure is made as soon as the image in the VF appears focused while pressing the shutter button. Enjoy your camera. John `:^ )
Re: my ist-D samples
- Original Message - From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:17 PM Subject: RE: my ist-D samples Nice images, especially the water lilies. Thanks! I too noticed the highlights on the rear Lillie and thought they looked like bright ring bokeh. The moorhen looked a bit overexposed to me. looking at the white feathers near the tail, yes it does look a little overexposed. But at the same time I think the overall bird looks right, especially the red legs and beak. Did you do any post image processing as all of the images look like they could use a touch of sharpening. No post-processing was done except using the Pentax Photo Lab to correct white-balance. They were all hand-held (except the lilies) so I'm sure there is some camera shake. Long lens, slow speeds... Although I do think the Mara, Moorhen and lilies are exceptionally sharp. Maybe it's my eyes.. Thanks for commenting! Christian
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- Original Message - From: jmb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: Re: my ist-D samples Enjoyed the pictures! Do you find the operation of the dslr to be similar in feel and speed to an equiv f slr? How easy or hard is RAW and PPL s/w to work with? Thanks, jmb~ Thanks! Considering that my last film based SLRs were an LX and MX, I'd say that the operation of the ist-d is completely new and diferent to me! That said, I'm a resourceful, intelligent person so learning the new interface (mainly, using the lens on A and spinning a wheel to change aperture) was not a problem. after five minutes of playing it was second-nature. The viewfinder is awesome, so I'm not missing the LX. For my style of shooting, RAW is the only way to go. Using PPL is very easy and intuitive. I still haven't read the manual. Christian
