Re: Please Ignore Me (too)
2010/1/26 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed. Perhaps Gerlich and Tscheuschner could prove it hasn't got its thermodynamics right and thus is just a plot to harm the economy =P -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/27/2010 8:06 AM, eckinator wrote:
2010/1/26 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com:
I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed.
Perhaps Gerlich and Tscheuschner could prove it hasn't got its
thermodynamics right and thus is just a plot to harm the economy =P
Hey believe what you want I for one don't want my neighbors to freeze in
the dark for no particular gain. What the authors of that particular
paper seem to want is good science. If they made mistakes they can be
called on it, there's nothing hidden. Unlike Climate science which
seems to be made up entirely of double secret data...
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2010/1/27 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Hey believe what you want I for one don't want my neighbors to freeze in the dark for no particular gain. What the authors of that particular paper seem to want is good science. If they made mistakes they can be called on it, there's nothing hidden. Unlike Climate science which seems to be made up entirely of double secret data... easy now, this was irony meant to bring back humor, so we can all go back to believing what feels best to us cheers ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/27/2010 3:48 PM, eckinator wrote:
2010/1/27 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com:
Hey believe what you want I for one don't want my neighbors to freeze in the
dark for no particular gain. What the authors of that particular paper seem
to want is good science. If they made mistakes they can be called on it,
there's nothing hidden. Unlike Climate science which seems to be made up
entirely of double secret data...
easy now, this was irony meant to bring back humor, so we can all go
back to believing what feels best to us
cheers
ecke
Hey, don't accuse me of believing anything.
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that's the spirit =)
2010/1/27 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
On 1/27/2010 3:48 PM, eckinator wrote:
2010/1/27 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com:
Hey believe what you want I for one don't want my neighbors to freeze in
the
dark for no particular gain. What the authors of that particular paper
seem
to want is good science. If they made mistakes they can be called on it,
there's nothing hidden. Unlike Climate science which seems to be made up
entirely of double secret data...
easy now, this was irony meant to bring back humor, so we can all go
back to believing what feels best to us
cheers
ecke
Hey, don't accuse me of believing anything.
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Re: Please Ignore Me (too)
On 1/24/2010 9:44 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Tom C wrote:
More importantly laws are not justice
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Mark!
The problem is, I disagree about laws not being justice - take the law
of gravity, for example...
;-)
I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed.
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From: P. J. Alling On 1/24/2010 9:44 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Tom C wrote: More importantly laws are not justice -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Mark! The problem is, I disagree about laws not being justice - take the law of gravity, for example... ;-) I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed. Alan Sokal apparently agrees with you ... http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html :-P -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed. Alan Sokal apparently agrees with you ... http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_s inglefile.html One of my favourite stories of recent years. So beautifully conceived and carried out. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed. Alan Sokal apparently agrees with you ... http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts John Sessoms wrote: From: P. J. Alling I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed. Alan Sokal apparently agrees with you ... http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo The sad thing is I took a class on Technology and Society that I could have actually used this to generate my papers. Weird class - we had two textbooks - Brave New World Affluenza and had to watch 3 films - Bicentennial Man, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, and Gattaca. I actually had my paper on 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea MARKED DOWN because I made comparisons between the BOOK, the movie and the cultural climate of the times the movie was made. The instructor didn't like my footnotes. Instead of standard footnotes referencing the quoted text, I was supposed to just Xerox the page and turn it in along with my paper. Plus I guess a four page paper was too long. The instructor was in kindergarten the last time I had previously written a college paper, and the other students in the class weren't even yet a gleam in anyone's eye ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You didn't really think you were supposed to learn something, did you?
On 1/26/2010 3:48 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Mark Roberts
John Sessoms wrote:
From: P. J. Alling
I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed.
Alan Sokal apparently agrees with you ...
http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html
http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo
The sad thing is I took a class on Technology and Society that I
could have actually used this to generate my papers.
Weird class - we had two textbooks - Brave New World Affluenza and
had to watch 3 films - Bicentennial Man, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea,
and Gattaca.
I actually had my paper on 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea MARKED DOWN
because I made comparisons between the BOOK, the movie and the
cultural climate of the times the movie was made.
The instructor didn't like my footnotes. Instead of standard footnotes
referencing the quoted text, I was supposed to just Xerox the page and
turn it in along with my paper. Plus I guess a four page paper was
too long.
The instructor was in kindergarten the last time I had previously
written a college paper, and the other students in the class weren't
even yet a gleam in anyone's eye ...
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:14:39AM -0500, John Sessoms scripsit: From: P. J. Alling I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed. Alan Sokal apparently agrees with you ... http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html Trying to start a mass movement? -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/26/2010 7:02 PM, Graydon wrote:
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:14:39AM -0500, John Sessoms scripsit:
From: P. J. Alling
I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed.
Alan Sokal apparently agrees with you ...
http://www.physics.nyu.edu/sokal/transgress_v2/transgress_v2_singlefile.html
Trying to start a mass movement?
-- Graydon
I'm also the local representative for the committee to reunite Pangaea.
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From: P. J. Alling You didn't really think you were supposed to learn something, did you? Well, yes, I did. What's the point of requiring me to take a class if I'm not supposed to learn something in it? And I did learn some things in that course - quite a few things actually. I just can't prove that on the basis of the work I was required to turn in. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I find that a lot of courses I've been required to take were just to
check a box on somebody's form. Learning seemed to be completely
incidental, and possibly counter productive.
On 1/26/2010 10:46 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: P. J. Alling
You didn't really think you were supposed to learn something, did you?
Well, yes, I did.
What's the point of requiring me to take a class if I'm not supposed
to learn something in it? And I did learn some things in that course -
quite a few things actually.
I just can't prove that on the basis of the work I was required to
turn in.
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The bigger they are the harder they fall. That seems to be just to me. Pound for pound, ounce for ounce, eye for eye. Tom C. If you were 40 pounds overweight, you wouldn't think the law of gravity was especially just. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/20/2010 3:48 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 20/01/2010, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote:
Our laws are only words written on paper.
More importantly laws are not justice
A working lawyer once explained it to me. We can't guarantee justice,
the best we can guarantee is a fair process, for justice the judge would
have to be Salomon
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Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Please Ignore Me (too) On 1/20/2010 3:48 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 20/01/2010, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote: Our laws are only words written on paper. More importantly laws are not justice A working lawyer once explained it to me. We can't guarantee justice, the best we can guarantee is a fair process, for justice the judge would have to be Salomon I agree, but I'd change 'guarantee' to 'try for'. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: P. J. Alling On 1/20/2010 3:48 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 20/01/2010, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote: Our laws are only words written on paper. More importantly laws are not justice A working lawyer once explained it to me. We can't guarantee justice, the best we can guarantee is a fair process, for justice the judge would have to be Salomon Y'all just keep Carping on this. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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More importantly laws are not justice -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Mark! On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 20/01/2010, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Our laws are only words written on paper. More importantly laws are not justice -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tom C wrote: More importantly laws are not justice -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Mark! The problem is, I disagree about laws not being justice - take the law of gravity, for example... ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: Please Ignore Me (too) The problem is, I disagree about laws not being justice - take the law of gravity, for example... If you were 40 pounds overweight, you wouldn't think the law of gravity was especially just. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh, that!(?) Human diversity will forever be split by fishers of ego. One of my favorite truisms. Jack --- On Tue, 1/19/10, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: From: frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Please Ignore Me (too) To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 5:33 AM On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Whew! Glad I missed whatever happened? Some people have their heads in the sand and live in a fantasy world, and others want to impose their views on others and refuse to respect the rights of the majority. In fact, that's pretty much what each side said about the other! ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/1/19 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: Some people have their heads in the sand and live in a fantasy world, and others want to impose their views on others and refuse to respect the rights of the majority. In fact, that's pretty much what each side said about the other! As much as I hate admitting so but your desription is dead on I'll bear that in mind next time Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Some people have their heads in the sand and live in a fantasy world, and others want to impose their views on others and refuse to respect the rights of the majority. The rights of the majority are usually well looked after. It's the rights of minorities that usually get stomped and which we need to watch out for. In fact, that's pretty much what each side said about the other! ;-) cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: The rights of the majority are usually well looked after. It's the rights of minorities that usually get stomped and which we need to watch out for. My post to which you're responding was, of course, tongue-in-cheek. I have to say, though, that the concept of group rights is a bit scary; there's always another group who ends up on the short end of the stick. I'm not engaging in hyperbole when stating that Hitler used what he described as the group rights of the majority to exterminate Jews. I like individual rights. Everyone has them, without exception. They are the great legacy of the Magna Carta, running through English jurisprudence, adopted by the Americans in their Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and form the cornerstone of all those countries who adopted Common Law. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes and even then the rights of the minority are often trampled on because as noble as we, or our society views itself, when there's a crisis, or when the majority view becomes so overwhelming, or when those in power become so blind to the needs of the lesser, rights are essentially foregone. Our laws are only words written on paper. Tom On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 4:32 PM, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: The rights of the majority are usually well looked after. It's the rights of minorities that usually get stomped and which we need to watch out for. My post to which you're responding was, of course, tongue-in-cheek. I have to say, though, that the concept of group rights is a bit scary; there's always another group who ends up on the short end of the stick. I'm not engaging in hyperbole when stating that Hitler used what he described as the group rights of the majority to exterminate Jews. I like individual rights. Everyone has them, without exception. They are the great legacy of the Magna Carta, running through English jurisprudence, adopted by the Americans in their Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and form the cornerstone of all those countries who adopted Common Law. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: steve harley Subject: Re: Please Ignore Me (too) well, i could stop myself from responding, but i could not fail to have a response I on the other hand, remain unrepentant and unapologetic. It's what's expected of me. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Please Ignore Me (too)
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 11:22 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-01-18 21:21 , frank theriault wrote: I just responded to several posts in the Squirrel-turned-into-the-degrading-environment thread. I shouldn't have done so. well, i could stop myself from responding, but i could not fail to have a response until you said forget it, i was so happy you had spoken up where i had bitten my tongue ... that's more or less how i felt about it too. but i also agree with frank. after 3-odd years here and having seen this/related issues come up so often, one knows exactly the positions the various regulars will take on a given issue. nobody has changed substantially, including myself, over the years. so am learning to let it all pass. except when it involves outsourcing of course.. i'll take a little more time to get a balance on that...:) regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
